Kiln House era live CD w/Chris

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I remember reading somewhere of a CD release from the Kiln House era...of live material...including some stuff from The Christine Perfect Band. The name of the set is called Madison Blues...does anyone know where I can get this?

Thanks

[dougl]

Here you go:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=music&PID=6602034&cart=228149962

Well worth the trip!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thanks! Can't wait to get this!

I really enjoy this line up of the Mac...although it didn't last long :(

[macfan 57]

And, it's a few bucks cheaper if you order it at Amazon U.K. That's how I got mine. :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000DFZDB/qid=1107344970/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_8_2/026-4313704-2230824

[aleuzzi]

I bought this three-cd set in Europe last year. It's quite good to have if you're a FM fan. The first four songs feature studio tracks from Christine Perfect's aborted second solo album: all of these are very good. Then there is a fantastic live-in-studio version of "Crazy 'Bout You Baby" with FM backing her up.

Live-in-studio versions of four Kirwan tunes, too. One of these, "Down at the Crown," can't be found anywhere else.

There are three versions of Station Man: one live-in-studio, and two live. All of them are excellent and very distinct from one another.

Christine's voice live is problematic here: on slower numbers, like "Lonely without You," she sounds great. But for her vocals on the live version of "Crazy" she sounds like a five-hundred pound black blues man. Or better yet: a thin, white British woman trying to sound like a five-hundred pound black blues man. Her background vocals on Kirwan's tunes are often out of tune. But her keyboard work is inspired throughout.

Disc three is a rare, extensive DVD interview with Jeremy Spencer.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I bought this three-cd set in Europe last year. It's quite good to have if you're a FM fan. The first four songs feature studio tracks from Christine Perfect's aborted second solo album: all of these are very good. Then there is a fantastic live-in-studio version of "Crazy 'Bout You Baby" with FM backing her up.

Live-in-studio versions of four Kirwan tunes, too. One of these, "Down at the Crown," can't be found anywhere else.

There are three versions of Station Man: one live-in-studio, and two live. All of them are excellent and very distinct from one another.

Christine's voice live is problematic here: on slower numbers, like "Lonely without You," she sounds great. But for her vocals on the live version of "Crazy" she sounds like a five-hundred pound black blues man. Or better yet: a thin, white British woman trying to sound like a five-hundred pound black blues man. Her background vocals on Kirwan's tunes are often out of tune. But her keyboard work is inspired throughout.

Disc three is a rare, extensive DVD interview with Jeremy Spencer.

Christine...out of tune? BLASPHOMEY! lol ;)

[aleuzzi]

I know! I so wanted her to be in tune. But her "oohs" and "ahhs" on "Jewel Eyed Judy," for instance, are painful. She's my favorite singer in rock music. To hear her suffering like a dying whale was difficult. The rest of the cd makes up for it, though.

[HomerMcvie]

I know! I so wanted her to be in tune. But her "oohs" and "ahhs" on "Jewel Eyed Judy," for instance, are painful. She's my favorite singer in rock music. To hear her suffering like a dying whale was difficult. The rest of the cd makes up for it, though.
I don't know how good their monitors on stage were in those days, if even EXISTENT. I've talked with older players, who've told me you didn't HAVE monitors back then. So who knows? If you've ever tried to sing above the din of a loud band, and tried to hear pitch without monitors, it's very easy to get off(pitch, that is! :eek: ).
That might explain our Queen being off. :xoxo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I don't know how good their monitors on stage were in those days, if even EXISTENT. I've talked with older players, who've told me you didn't HAVE monitors back then. So who knows? If you've ever tried to sing above the din of a loud band, and tried to hear pitch without monitors, it's very easy to get off(pitch, that is! :eek: ).
That might explain our Queen being off. :xoxo:

Oh ok...a logical explination...whew!

[chiliD]

"Monitors"? What are "monitors"? :shrug:

It wouldn't matter if they HAD them back then, 90% of the time, they weren't loud enough to hear over the stacks of amps anyway...and if the sound engineer turned up the monitor system, it would feedback like a m*****f**ker...just rip yo' head right off. :nod:

[HomerMcvie]

"Monitors"? What are "monitors"? :shrug:

It wouldn't matter if they HAD them back then, 90% of the time, they weren't loud enough to hear over the stacks of amps anyway...and if the sound engineer turned up the monitor system, it would feedback like a m*****f**ker...just rip yo' head right off. :nod:
Monitors? That's my JOB! Seriously. With a good EQ, you can get them louder than F*CK now! :lol: Deafening....

[David]

Monitors? That's my JOB! Seriously. With a good EQ, you can get them louder than F*CK now! :lol: Deafening....It's fun comparing monitor preferences.

When I play with Mirage, I want my floor monitor to carry only:

1. My own signals, nice & loud.
2. All vocals.

I have to set up adjacent to the drummer because I play to his kick drum, & I need to see him start, fill & end. People have always told me I have a really good, steady meter, & that's probably from playing to the bass drum.

I don't know & I don't care what the bass is doing, what the rhythm guitar is doing or what the lead guitar is doing (insofar as a monitor signal for me). They can take care of themselves!

[HomerMcvie]

It's fun comparing monitor preferences.
When I play with Mirage, I want my floor monitor to carry only:

1. My own signals, nice & loud.
2. All vocals.

I have to set up adjacent to the drummer because I play to his kick drum, & I need to see him start, fill & end. People have always told me I have a really good, steady meter, & that's probably from playing to the bass drum.

I don't know & I don't care what the bass is doing, what the rhythm guitar is doing or what the lead guitar is doing (insofar as a monitor signal for me). They can take care of themselves!
I want my keys LOUD(louder than they should be, but the stage sounds empty to me if they're not), and only my vocal, and my acoustic guitar). Only IF we're on a big stage will I add the other guitar player's guitar and vocal.....and occasionally snare.
I agree with cueing off the drummer. To hell with the bass player. If you wanna lock, you go to the source!!!(I have a kickass drummer! Feel, out the ying-yang).

[macfan 57]

I don't know how good their monitors on stage were in those days, if even EXISTENT. I've talked with older players, who've told me you didn't HAVE monitors back then. So who knows? If you've ever tried to sing above the din of a loud band, and tried to hear pitch without monitors, it's very easy to get off(pitch, that is! :eek: ).
That might explain our Queen being off. :xoxo:

On one of the old bootlegs that I have, she can be heard complaining about the monitors, either 1971 San Bernardino or 1972 Seattle. She's a bit out of tune on the San Bernardino boot too. Several times she asked where the monitors are. She sounded pretty annoyed. So that may have been a problem back in those days.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

On one of the old bootlegs that I have, she can be heard complaining about the monitors, either 1971 San Bernardino or 1972 Seattle. She's a bit out of tune on the San Bernardino boot too. Several times she asked where the monitors are. She sounded pretty annoyed. So that may have been a problem back in those days.

hmmm... that is interesting. Where were those monitors? lol

[aleuzzi]

I heard the 72 bootleg and she is in much better form there. But even then her singing voice is not as stellar as it usually is. Ironically, Welch came off pretty good on that date. Kirwin is barely audible above the crunching guitars.

One of the more amusing moments on that bootleg is after a brief but loud microphone hissing: Welch and McVie complain loudly, and then Welch says "I thought the lord walked in the room and that was the sound of his voice."

[macfan 57]

Keep in mind. You can't compare the Christine McVie from the very early 1970's to later on. She got ALOT better as time went on. She would admit that herself. If you listen to the Sausalito & Hempstead boots from 1974, she is even better. I think she sounds wonderful on those 2 boots. She also mentioned in a 1984 magazine interview that she used to have a lot of trouble staying in tune when singing harmony.

[wetcamelfood]

The first four songs feature studio tracks from Christine Perfect's aborted second solo album

Really? Hmm, this is interesting news. Where did you hear this? If I have one gripe with this great release it's the lack of tape source information in the liner notes, so any further info on this would be great, thanks in advance. :)

John

[chiliD]

Kirwin is barely audible above the crunching guitars.

Sorry, pet peeve...it is:

K-I-R-W-A-N

(Just like there's no "A" in Lindsey)

:wavey:

[macfan 57]

The first four songs feature studio tracks from Christine Perfect's aborted second solo album

I don't think there was an aborted second solo album. The liner notes in the Madison Blues box set say these songs were recorded at a promo session in November 1969. She "retired" shortly thereafter.

[ThePenguin]

One of the more amusing moments on that bootleg is after a brief but loud microphone hissing: Welch and McVie complain loudly, and then Welch says "I thought the lord walked in the room and that was the sound of his voice."

:laugh: That just cracked me up. Leave it to Bob, he's quick w/ the wit.

-Lis

[HomerMcvie]

:laugh: That just cracked me up. Leave it to Bob, he's quick w/ the wit.

-Lis
He certainly IS. And he's just like a regular Joe. He posts and answers all the time on his own site! He DESERVES to be in the R&RHofF....as much as anybody!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

He certainly IS. And he's just like a regular Joe. He posts and answers all the time on his own site! He DESERVES to be in the R&RHofF....as much as anybody!

WHY OH WHY did they not include him...almost every other memeber of FM was included that was there for a valid amount of time...why not him?

Did they give a reason? :mad:

[HomerMcvie]

WHY OH WHY did they not include him...almost every other memeber of FM was included that was there for a valid amount of time...why not him?

Did they give a reason? :mad:
AFAIK, over some bitchy, UNGRATEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, reason by Mick.
Nothing else adds up to him not being included. If Mick told them he was an integral part of FM history, his inclusion WOULD have seen fruition. :mad: :mad: :mad:
And, of course, he IS a hugely integral part! B/N would have never seen the light of day, had he not devoted himself.

[macfan 57]

Bob did sue them, over back royalties I assume. I think that may have had something to do with it. Bob Welch most certainly deserved to go into the Hall of Fame with the rest of them.

[ThePenguin]

Bob did sue them, over back royalties I assume. I think that may have had something to do with it. Bob Welch most certainly deserved to go into the Hall of Fame with the rest of them.

If you hit this link there's an option to buy the transcript, i think, of some of that legal case. I always mean to buy this, but still have yet to get around to it. I'm sort of interested in what happened!! so nosy.....

http://www.entlawdigest.com/story.cfm?storyID=1078



--Lis

[ThePenguin]

If you hit this link there's an option to buy the transcript, i think, of some of that legal case. I always mean to buy this, but still have yet to get around to it. I'm sort of interested in what happened!! so nosy.....

http://www.entlawdigest.com/story.cfm?storyID=1078



--Lis

replying to my own post-- actually I just looked into other info I have about that case and I don't think it is the one w/ Bob. sorry. :D It's another lawsuit LOL.

-Lis

[macfan 57]

replying to my own post-- actually I just looked into other info I have about that case and I don't think it is the one w/ Bob. sorry. :D It's another lawsuit LOL.

-Lis

:laugh: :laugh: That's what you get for being nosy, Lis. :laugh: I've always wanted to know more about that lawsuit. That's about the only thing that Bob didn't specifically talk about in his Q & A a few years back. ;)

[chiliD]

That's about the only thing that Bob didn't specifically talk about in his Q & A a few years back.

He didn't because he's under legal obligation to NOT discuss the settlement of the case. :shrug:

[ThePenguin]

:laugh: :laugh: That's what you get for being nosy, Lis. :laugh: I've always wanted to know more about that lawsuit. That's about the only thing that Bob didn't specifically talk about in his Q & A a few years back. ;)

I'm still tempted to pay the twenty bucks to see what the other lawsuit was about LOL. My nosiness has no boundaries... ;) but hey it's out there as a matter of public record, so anyone can look, I'm not delving into any deep dark secrets!

-Lis

[aleuzzi]

I don't think there was an aborted second solo album. The liner notes in the Madison Blues box set say these songs were recorded at a promo session in November 1969. She "retired" shortly thereafter.


You're probably right. When I said "aborted" second solo album I meant she was working on material for her second album when she decided to call it day and quit.

Those four songs are, I suppose, the only evidence available.

[aleuzzi]

Sorry, pet peeve...it is:

K-I-R-W-A-N

(Just like there's no "A" in Lindsey)

:wavey:



I'll never remember how to spell all these names, even when I know I'm misspelling them.