Thought this was Gldstwmn...(ha-ha!)

[sara1998]

http://theindychannel.com/news/4128358/detail.html

Officer Threatens To Arrest Woman For Anti-Bush Sticker

POSTED: 1:42 pm EST January 25, 2005

DENVER -- A police sergeant is being investigated for allegedly threatening a woman with arrest for displaying a profane President Bush bumper sticker.

The "F--- Bush" bumper sticker on 26-year-old Shasta Bates' pickup truck offended a shopping center patron who saw it Monday on Bates' parked vehicle and flagged down Sgt. Michael Karasek, who was patrolling the area.

"He (Karasek) told her that this was a warning and that the next time he saw her truck, she was going to be arrested if she didn't remove the sticker," said 25-year-old Alinna Figueroa, assistant manager of a store at the shopping center where the officer confronted Bates.

"I couldn't believe it," she said.

Police Chief Gerry Whitman said the incident was under investigation. He did not elaborate.

City Attorney Cole Finnegan said there were no city ordinances against displaying a profane bumper sticker.

Bates said she put the sticker on her truck because she disagrees with Bush's stance on homosexuality and other issues.

"I get some older men who pull up at the side of me and start yelling and cussing," she said, adding she's had only a few complaints since placing it on her truck in August.
Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[wondergirl9847]

Freedom of Speech?

Nope, not in America.

[strandinthewind]

Interesting First Amendment question. Is using the word "fu^&" of a bumper sticker free speech. Such language has been forbidden by the Court in other setting and for other reasons, but I do not think the Court has ruled on a bumper sticker used for political speech :shrug:

In any event, it is bad taste :cool: I think, however "Wuck Fush" would have been humorous :laugh:

[estranged4life]

this person should purchase a bumper sticker that says "F**k the censor police"!!!

Sounds like more BS if ya ask me (Just look at the location on my profile...Need I say more????)

[strandinthewind]

I guess this issue has been addressed and I forgot about it :eek:

Overview >
By David L. Hudson Jr.
First Amendment Center research attorney


"For those citizens without wealth or power, a bumper sticker may be one of the few means available to convey a message to a public audience.” — Judge Myron H. Thompson in Baker v. Glover

We’ve all seen them — we may have even seen one we find quite offensive. They cover ever imaginable topic from rock bands to environmental causes to religion to philosophy to sports. People often convey their political viewpoints in blunt fashion with bumper stickers, from the anti-Bill Clinton messages “Clinton Lewinsky” and “Impeach Clinton” to the President Bush-bashing sticker “Hail to the Thief.” Other bumper stickers parody more common messages. For instance, “My kid beat the crap out of your honor student” parodies the more mainstream “My child is an honor student.”

The First Amendment protects a great deal of offensive expression. No less an authority than the U.S. Supreme Court has said that “the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable” 1 and “the fact that protected speech may be offensive to some does not justify its suppression.” 2

Criminal charges
Even though offensive speech receives protection under the First Amendment, many incidents have occurred in which law enforcement officials have cited individuals for the content of their bumper stickers.

The usual incident occurs with bumper stickers that contain profane language or pictures. For example, in 1999, a Florida woman was cited for her sticker, “**** you, you ****ing ****.” The charges against Laura Elizabeth Barron were eventually dropped.

In Georgia, James Daniel Cunningham was cited for having a bumper sticker bearing the words “**** Happens” on his car. Prosecutors charged him under a state law that read:

"No person owning, operating, or using a motor vehicle in this state shall knowingly affix or attach to any part of such motor vehicle any sticker, decal, emblem, or other device containing profane or lewd words describing sexual acts, excretory functions, or parts of the human body."
A jury convicted Cunningham of violating the statute, and he was fined $100. Cunningham took his case to the Georgia Supreme Court, contending that his conviction was invalid because the law was unconstitutional.

The Georgia Supreme Court agreed with Cunningham, writing: “The peace of society is not endangered by the profane or lewd word which is not directed at a particular audience.” The state high court relied heavily on the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1971 ruling in Cohen v. California. In that decision, the high court reversed the breach-of-the-peace conviction of a young man who wore a jacket bearing the words “**** the Draft” to a courthouse.

The Georgia high court said Cohen stood for the principle that a state may not criminalize “the public display of a four-letter expletive” in the absence of some compelling reason. The state of Georgia argued that the statute was necessary to shield minors from harmful speech. The Georgia court rejected that argument in its 1991 decision State v. Cunningham, writing: “The audience of observers of bumper stickers is not made up primarily of minors or other persons of delicate sensibilities.”

The court concluded, however, by quoting a statement attributed to Benjamin Franklin: “Everything one has a right to do is not best to be done.”

Truck driver Wayne Baker's bumper inspired a similar legal tangle. A commander with the Alabama Department of Public Safety stopped Baker on the highway and warned him that his bumper sticker — “How’s My Driving? Call 1-800-2-EAT ****!” — violated a new Alabama obscenity law. That law provided: “It shall be unlawful for any person to display in public any bumper sticker, sign or writing which depicts obscene language descriptive of sexual or excretory activities.”

The officer told Baker to remove the sticker or face punishment. Baker agreed to scratch out the offending language. The truck driver then filed a federal lawsuit, charging that the obscenity law violated his free-expression rights.

U.S. District Judge Myron H. Thompson agreed with Baker, finding that his bumper sticker was not obscene under the law. Obscenity refers to a narrow range of hard-core sexual materials. In its 1973 decision Miller v. California, the U.S. Supreme Court laid out the following guidelines for determining when material is legally obscene:


Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law.
Whether a reasonable person would find the material lacking serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value, taken as a whole.

These guidelines are referred to as the prurient-interest, patently offensive and serious-value prongs. In his 1991 ruling in Baker v. Glover, Judge Thompson explained that the truck driver’s bumper sticker had serious value:


"Baker’s bumper sticker is also protected speech under the First Amendment because it has serious literary and political value. Although surely not a likely candidate for a literary prize, Baker’s bumper sticker has serious literary value as a parody of stickers such as ‘How’s My Driving? Call 1-800-2 ADVISE.’ It and other similar bumper stickers can be compared in many respects to riddles, puns, and proverbs in that they are very short, usually a line or two, and concise in their message. As the Supreme Court has observed, ‘one man’s vulgarity is another’s lyric.’ Baker’s sticker has serious political value as a protest against the 'Big Brother' mentality promoted by such other bumper stickers that urge the public to report the indiscretions of truck drivers."

The state argued that even if the sticker wasn't obscene for adults, it should be considered harmful to minors. Thompson rejected that argument as well, noting that harmful-to-minors laws also exempt material that has serious literary and political value.

Despite the Cunningham and Glover decisions, a few states still have laws on the books prohibiting offensive or obscene bumper stickers. For example, Tennessee has the following law:

"To avoid distracting other drivers and thereby reduce the likelihood of accidents arising from lack of attention or concentration, the display of obscene or patently offensive bumper stickers, window signs, or other markings on a motor vehicle which are visible to other drivers is prohibited and display of such materials shall subject the owner of the vehicle on which they are displayed, upon conviction, to a fine of not less than two dollars ($2.00) nor more than fifty dollars ($50.00). T.C.A. Sect. 55-8-187."
Tennessee's attorney general issued an opinion in 1988 that the then-bill was constitutional as long as it applied only to bumper stickers that met the legal definition of obscenity. The opinion concludes: “The display of a bumper sticker with the words "s..t happens" on it does not appear to involve any of the circumstances that permit speech to be limited or regulated by the state. Consequently, such items cannot be constitutionally prohibited.” See Tenn. Op. Atty. Gen. No. 88-44.

Public employees
The question becomes more difficult as to whether government employers can regulate the bumper stickers of employees. The U.S. Supreme Court has created a separate body of jurisprudence for public employees, public school students and prisoners. Public employees retain First Amendment rights on the job but government employers have strong interests in maintaining a good, efficient working environment free of disruption. Public employees can assert First Amendment free-speech rights if their speech touches on matters of public concern rather than mere personal employment grievances. The employee then must establish that his or her free-speech rights outweigh the employer’s efficiency interests.

In 1990 in Fire Fighters Association v. Barry, a federal judge in Washington, D.C., ruled that fire department officials had violated the First Amendment rights of several firefighters. The employees had been disciplined for displaying a bumper sticker that read “D.C. Fire Department — It’s Not Just A Job, It’s A Joke Too” on their personal vehicles. A firefighter sold the bumper stickers for $1 each and donated the proceeds to a local hospital’s burn unit. The firefighters created the bumper stickers in response to complaints about the department's fire chief, affirmative-action policy and general morale problems.

The department disciplined employees who had the stickers, citing them for conduct “prejudicial to the Department’s regulation, order or discipline.” The department also cited them for violating a policy stating that decals and stickers “that may be construed as obscene, cause embarrassment, or harassment of members shall not be displayed in or on Fire Department property.”

The federal district court established that the bumper stickers touched on matters of public interest, writing: “The bumper stickers’ message conveys not only personal dissatisfaction, but also a loss of discipline and good order in the Fire Department.” The court then examined the department’s interest in creating operational harmony and efficiency. The city introduced evidence that the bumper stickers created some grumbling at the workplace. This was not enough for the court: “Employee complaints are a regular phenomena in any workplace” and “the court finds nothing to suggest that the grumblings … affected adversely the discipline and good order of the fire department.”

The court went on to rule that the fire department’s bumper-sticker policy was unconstitutional on its face because it was overbroad, vague and viewpoint discriminatory. “Stickers and decals which support the Department’s views are unlikely to be determined embarrassing or harassing to members,” the court wrote.

A federal judge in Missouri reached a similar conclusion in the 1995 decision Goodman v. City of Kansas City. A city regulation limited the political-speech rights of employees. Among the regulations was one providing: “No vehicle displaying a bumper sticker urging the election or defeat of any candidate or political party may be parked in a parking lot controlled by the city.”

The city asserted that this policy served its interest in ensuring to the public a workforce that would operate on an apolitical basis. The city also argued that the policy would prevent the public from misinterpreting the messages on the privately owned vehicles as being officially endorsed by the city.

Applying the public-employee balancing test, the court ruled in favor of the employees. “Here, the city fails to demonstrate that the regulations challenged here address ‘real and not merely conjectural’ harms.” The court also noted that employees have a strong interest in political speech: “The right to express oneself about issues and candidates at election time is an essential part of our constitutional democracy.”

However, not all public employees have prevailed when disciplined for bumper stickers. In the 1976 decision Connealy v. Walsh, a federal judge in Missouri rejected the First Amendment claim of a juvenile-court social worker disciplined for refusing to remove a political bumper sticker from her personal vehicle. The worker put a “McGovern” bumper sticker on her car to express her support for 1972 presidential candidate George McGovern. The chief judge in charge of the juvenile division of the court circulated a memo providing: “No staff member may be involved in any political activities of any sort. That includes bumper stickers. Participation will lead to immediate termination.”

The federal judge sided with the juvenile-court officials, finding that “the Juvenile Court could reasonably conclude that any partisan bumper sticker could result in a material and substantial interference with plaintiff’s duties and that a compelling state interest in promoting the effectiveness of Juvenile Service employees and of the Circuit Court, justified the prohibition of all partisan political bumper stickers.”

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals determined in its 1995 decision Ethredge v. Hail that officials at Georgia's Robins Air Force Base could prohibit “bumper stickers or other similar paraphernalia” that could “embarrass or disparage” the commander in chief. Jesse Ethredge, a civilian aircraft mechanic challenged the order after he was ordered to remove his anti-Reagan and anti-Bush bumper stickers that read “HELL WITH REAGAN” and “READ MY LIPS HELL WITH GEO BUSH.” The court showed great deference to evidence from military officials that the sticker “would undermine military order, discipline, and responsiveness.”

The 11th Circuit reasoned that the regulation was viewpoint-neutral because it would apply to bumper stickers supporting or opposing the commander-in-chief. “Indeed, we can well imaging signs or messages that, although intended to be supportive of the President, may (due to a profane nature, for example) embarrass or disparage the President,” the court explained. Military officials also have prohibited bumper stickers displaying the Confederate flag.

Conclusion
Citizens have a right to express themselves in a variety of ways. Bumper stickers represent a popular, inexpensive and sometimes humorous way to express viewpoints on an endless range of subjects. But as the cases mentioned above demonstrate, bumper stickers with profanity will occasionally lead to a citation or arrest. Profanity may be a form of protected speech but it often raises the ire of government officials. The First Amendment provides a great deal of protection for offensive speech and it is unlikely that most bumper-sticker citations, at least as applied to private citizens, would withstand a constitutional challenge. However, the federal courts have painted a much cloudier picture with respect to public employees and bumper stickers.

Notes

1 Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397, 414 (1989)
2 Carey v. Population Services Int’l, 431 U.S. 678 (1977)

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/speech/arts/topic.aspx?topic=bumper_stickers&SearchString=bumper_sticker

[estranged4life]

bumper stickers makes me want to remember to ask my dear ol' Mother for more of her "fake" double-parked tickets (Which I will gladly use), with this warning:

"If you f**k the way you park...You'll never get it in"

She also has the ever popular "Mentally Handicapped Parking Sticker" to go along with her great & official "Backseat Drivers License" & "Year round hunting Men license".

What can I say (Basically what my older brother says) "My Mother is a smartass...We inherited that aspect from her" :rolleyes: :thumbsup:

Btw, My fave bumper sticker is in our car's back window:

"If Assholes were airplanes...
This would be the airport..."

[strandinthewind]

bumper stickers makes me want to remember to ask my dear ol' Mother for more of her "fake" double-parked tickets (Which I will gladly use), with this warning:

"If you f**k the way you park...You'll never get it in"

She also has the ever popular "Mentally Handicapped Parking Sticker" to go along with her great & official "Backseat Drivers License" & "Year round hunting Men license".

What can I say (Basically what my older brother says) "My Mother is a smartass...We inherited that aspect from her" :rolleyes: :thumbsup:

Btw, My fave bumper sticker is in our car's back window:

"If Assholes were airplanes...
This would be the airport..."

:laugh: :laugh:

When I was young and unfraid (hey wait a minute - that is a song from Les Miserables :laugh: ) - I had bright yellow neon post its printed up that said
"DID YOU HAVE TO PARK THIS WAY OR ARE YOU JUST AN IDIOT!!!! :mad: "

I gleefully distributed them to all on which I imposed guilt :laugh:

[estranged4life]

:laugh: :laugh:

When I was young and unfraid (hey wait a minute - that is a song from Les Miserables :laugh: ) - I had bright yellow neon post its printed up that said
"DID YOU HAVE TO PARK THIS WAY OR ARE YOU JUST AN IDIOT!!!! :mad: "

I gleefully distributed them to all on which I imposed guilt :laugh:

Years back I was sarcastically harrassed by an OHP (Oklahoma Highway Patrol) trooper once for my altering of the "Dont Lay Trash On Oklahoma" sticker which was altered to say "Please Lay That Trash All Over Oklahoma" :lol:

Man people need to lighten up a bit before they blow a gasket...:nod:

I would put this sticker Deb bought for me on the car, But then I would have to explain why our car has in green celtic lettering the word "Enchanted" (I also have one of those black "Stevie Nicks Rocks" nicksfix.com stickers that JK was handing out aftershow backstage in Dallas 2004)

(I secretly long for a bumper sticker to match my ever popular/ever present 2'x3' wall poster of "Have A Nice Day" complete with bloody bullethole thru "Mr.Happy Face's" head)

[wondergirl9847]

I think, however "Wuck Fush" would have been humorous :laugh:

Who's Wush? LMAO!! I know what you meant, but that is hysterical.

[strandinthewind]

Who's Wush? LMAO!! I know what you meant, but that is hysterical.

OOPS :laugh: :wavey: :laugh: :laugh: :wavey: :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

The cops in this town are a bit uptight. They have a history of shooting unarmed suspects.
Now, much to everyone's surprise I'm sure, I have no bumper stickers on my car at all. :)

[irishgrl]

Cohen makes me PROUD to be a Californian!
woo hoo!

[SuzeQuze]

Would that get you arrested I wonder? I sure hope not. :distress: I've got one that says "Compassionate Objector" but it's in my room on my FM poster, not on my car. Mostly because I don't think to bring it down. Also I wouldn't stick it on bumper but would tape in window.

[irishgrl]

it was from the Environmental Defense Fund, it said "some things were never meant to be recycled" and it had that circle/slash over a pic of Bush...

[amber]

it was from the Environmental Defense Fund, it said "some things were never meant to be recycled" and it had that circle/slash over a pic of Bush...
:lol: :] :thumbsup:

[sara1998]

The cops in this town are a bit uptight. They have a history of shooting unarmed suspects.
Now, much to everyone's surprise I'm sure, I have no bumper stickers on my car at all. :)

It just cracked me up... the minute I saw Denver, Colorado, I thought, oh ****, Chris is in trouble. LOL! :lol:

[estranged4life]

The cops in this town are a bit uptight. They have a history of shooting unarmed suspects.
Now, much to everyone's surprise I'm sure, I have no bumper stickers on my car at all. :)

couldnt catch a COLD more less solve a crime...Hell, I cannot think of the last time I saw the local po-lice do anything except sit on their duffs (And I'm not talkin' bout Hillary's either :lol: )

But they are sure good at scaring the living **** outta Debbie & myself...One night we were coming home after shopping when we passed one of the local po-licie with his search light on something, But we thought he may have caught someone prowling around...Well as we are unloading the groceries from the car we hear 3 gunshots, So we became worried and called the po-lice dept and tell 'em what we heard (Thinking maybe the officer may have been shot). Well the dispatcher had me on the line and I heard her ask the officer over the radio if he was alright since someone called saying someone fired off 3 shot, He was alright, He just was wasting his bullets by shooting an unarmed skunk :shrug:

Man, That Barney Fife should've won the distinguished "Glazed with sprinkles" award for being an ab-so-lute f**k-tard!!!!

[SuzeQuze]

couldnt catch a COLD more less solve a crime...Hell, I cannot think of the last time I saw the local po-lice do anything except sit on their duffs (And I'm not talkin' bout Hillary's either :lol: )

But they are sure good at scaring the living **** outta Debbie & myself...One night we were coming home after shopping when we passed one of the local po-licie with his search light on something, But we thought he may have caught someone prowling around...Well as we are unloading the groceries from the car we hear 3 gunshots, So we became worried and called the po-lice dept and tell 'em what we heard (Thinking maybe the officer may have been shot). Well the dispatcher had me on the line and I heard her ask the officer over the radio if he was alright since someone called saying someone fired off 3 shot, He was alright, He just was wasting his bullets by shooting an unarmed skunk :shrug:

Man, That Barney Fife should've won the distinguished "Glazed with sprinkles" award for being an ab-so-lute f**k-tard!!!!

And the f-tard admitted it? Jeez what a power tool.

[estranged4life]

And the f-tard admitted it? Jeez what a power tool.

(If he is the one who I think it was) couldnt spell C-A-T if ya gave him the "C" & the "T"!!!

"Raise yer hands Pe-pe LePew...And none of that damn French lovin' stuff either or I will fill ya full of lead" Tsk, Tsk, Tsk...Like I said an ASS-HAT!!!

[amber]

(If he is the one who I think it was) couldnt spell C-A-T if ya gave him the "C" & the "T"!!!

"Raise yer hands Pe-pe LePew...And none of that damn French lovin' stuff either or I will fill ya full of lead" Tsk, Tsk, Tsk...Like I said an ASS-HAT!!!
He could shoot one, though, apparetly.... :mad:
why the hell was he shooting a skunk? what a sadist.

[estranged4life]

He could shoot one, though, apparetly.... :mad:
why the hell was he shooting a skunk? what a sadist.

he thought the smell was similar to his wife, Who knows :shrug:

This town has a high turn over-rate in the PD (Lack of funds or lack of chocies for donuts Who knows :shrug: )...

I think someone reported the smell and this "excuse for a public servant" thought what he was doing was humane.

Yeah, Humane my dimpled ass!!! :mad:

[SuzeQuze]

he thought the smell was similar to his wife, Who knows :shrug:

This town has a high turn over-rate in the PD (Lack of funds or lack of chocies for donuts Who knows :shrug: )...

I think someone reported the smell and this "excuse for a public servant" thought what he was doing was humane.

Yeah, Humane my dimpled ass!!! :mad:

Omigod, the "similar to his wife" has me roaring.
:lol: :laugh: :laugh: :lol:

If that's the type protecting us then I'd rather protect myself, thank you very much. WTF???

[amber]

he thought the smell was similar to his wife, Who knows :shrug:

This town has a high turn over-rate in the PD (Lack of funds or lack of chocies for donuts Who knows :shrug: )...

I think someone reported the smell and this "excuse for a public servant" thought what he was doing was humane.

Yeah, Humane my dimpled ass!!! :mad:
:lol:
Um, are people in Oklahoma aware of what skunks do? You can't kill something because of it's natural (smelly) defense mechanism. How absurd.

[estranged4life]

:lol:
Um, are people in Oklahoma aware of what skunks do? You can't kill something because of it's natural (smelly) defense mechanism. How absurd.

"Bubba/Billy Bob" type...They apparently do not comprehend the concept of a skunk, But they do comprehend that donuts + police officer= "dunlap disease" (As in the following example-"My belly 'dunlap' over my waist line")

[amber]

"Bubba/Billy Bob" type...They apparently do not comprehend the concept of a skunk, But they do comprehend that donuts + police officer= "dunlap disease" (As in the following example-"My belly 'dunlap' over my waist line")
:laugh: :lol: :laugh:
I guess learning about skunks would get in the way of the eatin' and shootin'... :D

[DeeGeMe]

Now, much to everyone's surprise I'm sure, I have no bumper stickers on my car at all. :)

NOT to anyone's surprise--I have a few on mine: "Love the whole world. No exceptions." and "If you're not outraged, you haven't been paying attention."
And: "I love my country but fear our government."

Try driving around with that on your car in the middle of South Carolina! And oh yeah, having them plastered on a high-end luxury car really makes people around here do a double-take, because it plays with their narrow, bigoted minds because you're not supposed to be affluent, and white, and a liberal in these parts! I actually had someone who I thought better of exclaim to me recently, "How can you be a Democrat? You're WHITE!" Shocking, but true. Anyone who doesn't think that Repugs play the race card has never been to the South.

Back before the election, I was driving my car on the Interstate and I had my Kerry/Edwards stickers (2 of them) plastered on the back of my car and I passed this beat-up-piece of **** car which had a huge "mural" of Christ on the cross on the back window of the hatchback. And several "Jesus Saves" sayings on the bumpers. Later on, the guy passed me and let's just say that by the look he was giving me he:

a) had never seen a liberal in his life
and
b) wanted me to go to the hell he was no doubt sure I was destined for as soon as possible.

Not getting "The Word" now was he?

[amber]

NOT to anyone's surprise--I have a few on mine: "Love the whole world. No exceptions." and "If you're not outraged, you haven't been paying attention."
And: "I love my country but fear our government."

Try driving around with that on your car in the middle of South Carolina! And oh yeah, having them plastered on a high-end luxury car really makes people around here do a double-take, because it plays with their narrow, bigoted minds because you're not supposed to be affluent, and white, and a liberal in these parts! I actually had someone who I thought better of exclaim to me recently, "How can you be a Democrat? You're WHITE!" Shocking, but true. Anyone who doesn't think that Repugs play the race card has never been to the South.

Back before the election, I was driving my car on the Interstate and I had my Kerry/Edwards stickers (2 of them) plastered on the back of my car and I passed this beat-up-piece of **** car which had a huge "mural" of Christ on the cross on the back window of the hatchback. And several "Jesus Saves" sayings on the bumpers. Later on, the guy passed me and let's just say that by the look he was giving me he:

a) had never seen a liberal in his life
and
b) wanted me to go to the hell he was no doubt sure I was destined for as soon as possible.

Not getting "The Word" now was he?
:laugh: :lol:
Love it. :thumbsup:

[SuzeQuze]

:laugh: :lol:
Love it. :thumbsup:

Absolutely! Stupid stereotypes. "You're white?" Well, duh. :distress:

Up here my family (mom and dad) has always been democrat. Grandpa was a teamster and my Dad has pretty much always held a union job. They were the party looking out for the little guy so I've always been told. I did keep an open mind though when it was my turn to vote. I have just never identified with Repubs and never voted for them.

Why oh why is liberal synonymous with evil in their minds? :confused:

[DeeGeMe]

Same here-my dad was a union guy-he worked for the railroad. And my Mom brought me up to idolize the Kennedys! :laugh: Now here's the interesting part-my parents are both Southern Baptists--but as they interpret the Bible, they believe that Jesus taught us to care for our fellow man,and they just believe that the Democrats ideals speak more to that than the GOP and brought me up to believe the same. But they find themselves biting their tongue a lot in church and in social settings, as I do, because of the whole brainwashing that the GOP has done here in the South. Someone actually said in my Mom's Sunday School that you couldn't be a Christian if you voted for John Kerry because he supported Abortion & Homosexuality! I honestly don't know how the Democrats are ever going to be able to take our country back with the brainwashing that the Repugs have done on such a wide swath of our population!

[strandinthewind]

My parents are for the most part moderate. They believe in gun control but not getting rid of all guns - they support the right to chose - they suport for the most part civil unions though at their age they still do not understand why anyone talks about sexuality at all in polite company :laugh: - they think aff. action ought to be based on poverty and not abolished - they support the war in Iraq, but think Bush botched it up.

So, that is pretty middle of the road if ya ask me. They did, hoever, both vote for W :mad: