2004: Highlights and Lowlifes!

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I figured since I'm about the only conservative on The Ledge...Its my duty to post great articles like the one below...just to present both sides...I have seen threads with liberal articles...now lets get some conservative views...just to be balanced...so here is a great article from the wonderful Ann Coulter... :)


2004: Highlights and Lowlifes
December 29, 2004

The single biggest event of 2004 was the Election Day exit poll, which, like John Steinbeck's "The Short Reign of Pippin IV," made John Kerry the president for a few moments. But in a move that stunned the experts, American voters chose "moral values" over an America-bashing trophy husband and his blow-dried, ambulance-chasing sidekick.

The second biggest event in 2004 came on Sunday, Dec. 26, when The New York Times referred to an organization as a "liberal research group." (I think it may have been the Communist Party USA, Trotskyite wing, but, still, it's progress.)

CBS eminence Dan Rather was driven off the air in disgrace after he tried to take down a sitting president by brandishing Microsoft Word documents he claimed were authentic Texas Air National Guard memos from the '70s. By liberals' own account, the pompous blowhard was exposed by people sitting around their living rooms in pajamas.

John Kerry's meal ticket, Teresa Heinz, continuously made remarks that were wildly inappropriate, such as when she strangely referred to the "seven-year itch" in relation to herself and John Kerry, creating at least three images I didn't want in my head. On the other hand, for any voters who considered the most important campaign issue to be whether the first lady was an earthy, condescending foreigner who had traveled extensively and spoke several languages, Teresa was a huge asset.

Surprisingly, Teresa never became a major campaign issue. It turned out that supporters of a phony war hero who preyed on rich widows were also OK with the notion of a first lady who might use the F-word during Rose Garden press conferences. By the same token, anyone who was put off by the not-so-affable Eva Peron of American politics already didn't like John Kerry -- thanks largely to John O'Neill and the Swiftboat Veterans.

Like the archers of Agincourt, John O'Neill and the 254 Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.

Meanwhile, San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom is nipping at O'Neill's heels as the man second-most responsible for Bush's re-election. Thanks largely to Newsom's hard work, gay marriage was big news all year.

In retrospect, the Democrats would have been better off if they had found every gay guy in America who actually wanted to get married and offered each one a million dollars in exchange for the Democrats not having to talk about gay marriage. (Finally -- a problem that could have been solved by throwing money at it!)

On the basis solely of media coverage, Abu Ghraib was the biggest story of 2004, maybe the biggest story ever. And for good reason: An American soldier was caught on film not only humiliating Iraqi prisoners -- but smoking!

The New York Times even had to drop its coverage of Augusta National Golf Course to give Abu Ghraib due prominence. Only the Rumsfeld autopen scandal was big enough to knock Abu Ghraib off the front page.

I personally haven't been so singularly disturbed by an atrocity since I had to sit through all of "The Matrix: Reloaded."

By contrast, the least important story -- again, judging by media coverage -- was the peculiar development of a Clintonite caught trying to get into his own pants. Sandy Berger was spotted by National Archives staff repeatedly stuffing top-secret documents into his undergarments in preparation for defending the Clinton administration's record on fighting terrorism before the 9/11 Commission. If you happened to take a long nap the day the Berger story broke, you would have missed it entirely.

On the bright side, The New York Times has adopted an all-new standard for covering the extramarital affairs of public figures. With no fanfare, the Times quickly abandoned its earlier position that a U.S. president molesting White House staff -- including while on the phone discussing sending troops into battle -- is not news. The new rule rolled out for Bernie Kerik makes extramarital affairs major front-page news deserving of nonstop coverage, even after the public figure has withdrawn his name from consideration for any government office.

American hero Pat Tillman won a Silver Star this year. But unlike Kerry, he did not write his own recommendation or live to throw his medals over the White House fence in an anti-war rally.

Tillman was an American original: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be. The stunningly handsome athlete walked away from a three-year, $3.6 million NFL contract with the Arizona Cardinals to join the U.S. military and fight in Afghanistan, where he was killed in April.

He wanted no publicity and granted no interviews about his decision to leave pro football in the prime of his career and join the Army Rangers. (Most perplexing to Democrats, he didn't even take a home movie camera to a war zone in order to create fake footage for future political campaigns in which he would constantly palaver about his military service and drag around his "Band of Brothers" for the media.)

Tillman gave only an indirect explanation for his decision on the day after 9/11, when he said: "My great grandfather was at Pearl Harbor, and a lot of my family has gone and fought in wars, and I really haven't done a damn thing as far as laying myself on the line like that." He said he wanted to "pay something back" to America.

He died bringing freedom and democracy to 28 million Afghans -- pretty much confirming Michael Moore's view of America as an imperialist cowboy predator. There is not another country in the world -- certainly not in continental Europe -- that could have produced a Pat Tillman.

On the anniversary of D-Day, as Americans like Pat Tillman risked their lives to liberate 50 million Iraqis and Afghans, in a year when Americans poured into theaters to see a movie about Christ and reaffirmed their support for moral values at the polling booth, America's greatest president died. Ronald Reagan appealed to what is best about America and so transformed the nation that we are now safe to carry on without him.

Thanks to AnnCoulter.org

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Oh, Miss thing...Oh...
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*waits for the rip to shreds*
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There is not another country in the world -- certainly not in continental Europe -- that could have produced a Pat Tillman.

On the anniversary of D-Day, as Americans like Pat Tillman risked their lives to liberate 50 million Iraqis and Afghans

Thanks to AnnCoulter.org

only America could have a pro-athlete turn down a $3 million contract to serve with his brother in the military because of his beliefs (RIP Mr.Tillman)...To only be killed by friendly fire by the same unit his brother was serving in.

His serving OUR country was a highlight, His death however was not.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh, Miss thing...Oh...
:distress: :distress: :(
:shrug:
*waits for the rip to shreds*
:wavey:

come now...you didn't even read did ya! :D

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It's so hateful. With all the talk of "hate speech" from liberals this makes me want to vomit. Particularly offensive are the comments of Kerry "preying" on a rich widow. Hello? THK is fabulous and he fell in love with her. Duh? Oh what a waste of my breath.

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It's so hateful. With all the talk of "hate speech" from liberals this makes me want to vomit. Particularly offensive are the comments of Kerry "preying" on a rich widow. Hello? THK is fabulous and he fell in love with her. Duh? Oh what a waste of my breath.

lol...THK I love you and your.....MONEY! :nod:

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only America could have a pro-athlete turn down a $3 million contract to serve with his brother in the military because of his beliefs (RIP Mr.Tillman)...To only be killed by friendly fire by the same unit his brother was serving in.

His serving OUR country was a highlight, His death however was not.

Yes, that was awful. :distress: I'm going to begin praying for Brown Eye's soul tonite. No, I'm not kidding.

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I figured since I'm about the only conservative on The Ledge...Its my duty to post great articles like the one below...just to present both sides...I have seen threads with liberal articles...now lets get some conservative views...just to be balanced...so here is a great article from the wonderful Ann Coulter... :)

This is balanced? Referring to John Kerry as a trophy husband who bashes America? Referring to a man like John Edwards as an ambulance chaser? Get a clue and get some class.

I also find it incredibly ironic and shocking for Miss Coulter to accuse Teresa Heinz of making innapropriate comments. She's obviously never paid attention to the things that she writes and says in her ****ty columns and on Faux News whenever the opportunity arises.

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lol...THK I love you and your.....MONEY! :nod:

She's no Laura Bush, that's for sure. She never killed a man, after all. ;)

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This is balanced? Referring to John Kerry as a trophy husband who bashes America? Referring to a man like John Edwards as an ambulance chaser? Get a clue and get some class.

I also find it incredibly ironic and shocking for Miss Coulter to accuse Teresa Heinz of making innapropriate comments. She's obviously never paid attention to the things that she writes and says in her ****ty columns and on Faux News whenever the opportunity arises.

and you call you left extreme views a balance? :laugh: So its ok for someone like Al Franken to say horrid and untrue things about folks...but when someone like Ann Coulter does it...its sick!

PULEEEEEEEEEZ!

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and you call you left extreme views a balance? :laugh: So its ok for someone like Al Franken to say horrid and untrue things about folks...but when someone like Ann Coulter does it...its sick!

PULEEEEEEEEEZ!

The difference is, AF uses <i>satire</i>, he's a humorist. He does NOT lie. I do not think AC has a single cell in her body that has a sense of humor.

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and you call you left extreme views a balance? :laugh: So its ok for someone like Al Franken to say horrid and untrue things about folks...but when someone like Ann Coulter does it...its sick!

PULEEEEEEEEEZ!

Al Franken is a moderate, just so you know. ;) And if you picked up his last book, you'd see how well-researched and impeccable his facts are. Unlike Miss Coulter, Al Franken employed an entire research team from Harvard University to ensure that everything was factual. Maybe you should do yourself a favor and subscribe to Lexus Nexus so that you can do your own research and see how much Ann Coulter lies and distorts.

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come now...you didn't even read did ya! :D
yes, i did.

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The difference is, AF uses <i>satire</i>, he's a humorist. He does NOT lie. I do not think AC has a single cell in her body that has a sense of humor.

Just because you might not be intelligent enough to find AC humours dosen't mean that she isn't

I don't find AF funny at all...no satire there!

So, why is it that AF has the right to satire and nothing else

but AC can't be truthful and funny all at once!

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yes, i did.

;) lol...good!

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but AC can't be truthful and funny all at once!

Because she doens't know how to be truthful or funny. ;)

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Just because you might not be intelligent enough to find AC humours dosen't mean that she isn't

I don't find AF funny at all...no satire there!

So, why is it that AF has the right to satire and nothing else

but AC can't be truthful and funny all at once!

Show me the data that back up her hateful opinions and we can start there. Is she really supposed to be funny? She's beginning to fall out of favor I believe because the things that come out of her mouth are less and less based on fact and more of her own fantasy of how things should be.

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Al Franken is a moderate, just so you know. ;) And if you picked up his last book, you'd see how well-researched and impeccable his facts are. Unlike Miss Coulter, Al Franken employed an entire research team from Harvard University to ensure that everything was factual. Maybe you should do yourself a favor and subscribe to Lexus Nexus so that you can do your own research and see how much Ann Coulter lies and distorts.

well considering Ann gives you a complete resources at the end of every book she has ever written...its not really her problem if your to lazy to varify them!

and AC is a moderate too...she just leans towards the other end of where Mr. Franken stands.

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well considering Ann gives you a complete resources at the end of every book she has ever written...its not really her problem if your to lazy to varify them!

and AC is a moderate too...she just leans towards the other end of where Mr. Franken stands.

How dare you call me "lazy". And moderate? :laugh: What planet are you from???

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Show me the data that back up her hateful opinions and we can start there. Is she really supposed to be funny? She's beginning to fall out of favor I believe because the things that come out of her mouth are less and less based on fact and more of her own fantasy of how things should be.

She gives complete references to EVERY QUOTE AND FACT presented in every single one of her 4 NYT bestsellers! If you are so interested pick up the books and flip to the back to refer to where she gets the facts from.

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How dare you call me "lazy". And moderate? :laugh: What planet are you from???

well...calling AF moderate is just as laughable! :nod:

sorry bout the "lazy" thing...lol

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well...calling AF moderate is just as laughable! :nod:

sorry bout the "lazy" thing...lol

I didn't, I know he's way left. I adore him for that. Have you read any of his books? I have not read any of ACs because I couldn't stomach it I don't think.

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well considering Ann gives you a complete resources at the end of every book she has ever written...its not really her problem if your to lazy to varify them!

I do verify them. My point was that you simply read her and don't do your own research to verify them. ;) She also calls her endnotes footnotes. Not the sign of a truly intellectual person, if I do say so myself. Her editor should be publicly flogged right alongside her. She misquotes everyone in her books, that's common knowledge.

and AC is a moderate too...she just leans towards the other end of where Mr. Franken stands.

Ann Coulter is as moderate as my left testicle. Go look up the term moderate and just attempt to apply it to Ann Coulter. I dare you.

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Show me the data that back up her hateful opinions and we can start there. Is she really supposed to be funny? She's beginning to fall out of favor I believe because the things that come out of her mouth are less and less based on fact and more of her own fantasy of how things should be.

Her last book, "How To Talk To A Liberal", flopped. She's on her way out, don't worry. :wavey:

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She gives complete references to EVERY QUOTE AND FACT presented in every single one of her 4 NYT bestsellers! If you are so interested pick up the books and flip to the back to refer to where she gets the facts from.

Yes, but type in her quotes and read the articles she quotes them from. She edits and spins what you call "quotes" to suit her own agenda. :shrug:

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Her last book, "How To Talk To A Liberal", flopped. She's on her way out, don't worry. :wavey:

I thought that was writing on the wall I was seeing! :wavey:

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well...calling AF moderate is just as laughable! :nod:

Hardly. Sounds to me like you don't what you're talking about AGAIN.

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Ann Coulter is as moderate as my left testicle...[QUOTE]

:laugh: :lol: :lol: :laugh: This one will allow me to sleep peacefully knowing that all is right with the world. :lol:

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I do verify them. My point was that you simply read her and don't do your own research to verify them. ;) She also calls her endnotes footnotes. Not the sign of a truly intellectual person, if I do say so myself. Her editor should be publicly flogged right alongside her. She misquotes everyone in her books, that's common knowledge.



Ann Coulter is as moderate as my left testicle. Go look up the term moderate and just attempt to apply it to Ann Coulter. I dare you.

as far as im concerned ann is moderate and everyone else is crazy!

surely if you can stomach an insane lady like susan powter...ann shouldn't be a big deal for you...

you just don't like people who have a different view then yourself... :rolleyes: ;)

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as far as im concerned ann is moderate and everyone else is crazy!

surely if you can stomach an insane lady like susan powter...ann shouldn't be a big deal for you...

you just don't like people who have a different view then yourself... :rolleyes: ;)

You're not going to take the challenge. Diss, maybe this should have been a triple dog dare. Well, according to m-w.com politically moderate means "3 : professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme"

I really think Ann is quite extreme in her views.

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Hardly. Sounds to me like you don't what you're talking about AGAIN.

how can you say that...in YOUR and only YOUR warped mind is AF a moderate...and because I disagree I "dont know what I'm talking about"

well thats a sign that I do not what I'm talking about...because if we ever start agreeing on anything political or ethical I will begin to get very scared! ;)

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You're not going to take the challenge. Diss, maybe this should have been a triple dog dare. Well, according to m-w.com politically moderate means "3 : professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme"

I really think Ann is quite extreme in her views.

Occording to whom....YOU!

why are her views extreme...what is EXTREME to YOU may not be extreme to someone else! So how can you classify that person as a "moderate" etc...

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On page 265 of Treason, Coulter writes:

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman sniffed that racial profiling was not "civilized." He blamed twenty years of relentless attacks by Muslim extremists on- I quote- "religious fundamentalists of any stripe."

A quick search of the internet will produce Friedman's actual article from December 26, 2001, titled "Naked Air," the article that Coulter supposedly quotes. Friedman's article was jovial in tone and he jokes that everyone should be forced to fly nude in it. Here's the passage she took the "quote" from:

Think about it. If everybody flew naked, not only would you never have to worry about the passenger next to you carrying box-cutters or exploding shoes, but no religious fundamentalists of any stripe would ever be caught dead flying nude.

See how she distorted what he said and misrepresented him? If not, here's what she said on page 265 of Treason again:

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman sniffed that racial profiling was not "civilized." He blamed twenty years of relentless attacks by Muslim extremists on- I quote- "religious fundamentalists of any stripe."

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Occording to whom....YOU!

why are her views extreme...what is EXTREME to YOU may not be extreme to someone else! So how can you classify that person as a "moderate" etc...

Well, if you take the spectrum of lefty loony liberal, all the way over to the far right neocons you can place a dot on there that would represent Miss Coulter which would be firmly on the right side. It is well known that she is conservative. At least in the circles I operate in. I guess you and I are part of alternate universes.

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as far as im concerned ann is moderate and everyone else is crazy!

Then you don't know the definition of a moderate. Get a dictionary.

ann shouldn't be a big deal for you...

I think I just threw up in my mouth. Thanks.

you just don't like people who have a different view then yourself... :rolleyes: ;)

No, I just don't like liars and right-wing fundies.

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On page 265 of Treason, Coulter writes:

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman sniffed that racial profiling was not "civilized." He blamed twenty years of relentless attacks by Muslim extremists on- I quote- "religious fundamentalists of any stripe."

A quick search of the internet will produce Friedman's actual article from December 26, 2001, titled "Naked Air," the article that Coulter supposedly quotes. Friedman's article was jovial in tone and he jokes that everyone should be forced to fly nude in it. Here's the passage she took the "quote" from:

Think about it. If everybody flew naked, not only would you never have to worry about the passenger next to you carrying box-cutters or exploding shoes, but no religious fundamentalists of any stripe would ever be caught dead flying nude.

See how she distorted what he said and misrepresented him? If not, here's what she said on page 265 of Treason again:

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman sniffed that racial profiling was not "civilized." He blamed twenty years of relentless attacks by Muslim extremists on- I quote- "religious fundamentalists of any stripe."

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Im not seeing the misquotation here...hmmm oh well

suppose you can call me insane then...if you consider AC insane then I will be happy to join in that group along with her!

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Occording to whom....YOU!

why are her views extreme...what is EXTREME to YOU may not be extreme to someone else! So how can you classify that person as a "moderate" etc...

Olympia Snowe is a moderate. Ann Coulter is a fundie nutcase.

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Then you don't know the definition of a moderate. Get a dictionary.



I think I just threw up in my mouth. Thanks.



No, I just don't like liars and right-wing fundies.


I don't like liars, people who hate America, and left-wing nuts

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Im not seeing the misquotation here...hmmm oh well


Then it's obvious your not up to the task of discussing such things. My condolences.

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Olympia Snowe is a moderate. Ann Coulter is a fundie nutcase.

again in YOUR mind...and im starting to debate whether or not you have one ;) (sorry just had too..lol)

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I don't like liars, people who hate America

Then you must really despise Ann Coulter and yourself.

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Im not seeing the misquotation here...hmmm oh well

suppose you can call me insane then...if you consider AC insane then I will be happy to join in that group along with her!

Well, the writer is saying that if everyone were to fly nude there would never be a problem with terrorism on planes because religious fundamentalists of any sort would never fly nude. So they will weed themselves out. The quote is taken out of context and twisted to mean that he is saying that racial profiling of any sort is wrong, which he clearly <b>did not say</b>. And using a strict definition of lying being not telling the truth, by misquoting him this way, Ann Coulter is <b>lying</b>.

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I don't like liars, people who hate America, and left-wing nuts
"people who hate America"?
Bwah!
Anyone who wants justice for all people, wants the constitution to be followed, and believes it is our job to question the gov't when they are guilty of wrong doing, loves America, my friend. That's the whole concept of loving Amberica.

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Then it's obvious your not up to the task of discussing such things. My condolences.

I don't understand how I can DISCUSS anything when you are completley throwing every post away as ridiculous, trash, not true....

how can i argue a point that you are sadly trying to make...that just isn't there.

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and im starting to debate whether or not you have one ;) (sorry just had too..lol)

Those in glass houses should not throw stones. ;)

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I think I just threw up in my mouth. Thanks.
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Voted: "Funniest Moment in this Argument" by Amber...

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I don't understand how I can DISCUSS anything when you are completley throwing every post away as ridiculous, trash, not true....

how can i argue a point that you are sadly trying to make...that just isn't there.

Get a clue.

Ever since you started to involve yourself in these discussions, you've failed to post one fact or any research that backs up your claims. If you want to make some points, do so by backing them up with facts. But that would entail doing some work. Posting op-ed pieces from right-wing fundies do not count and you should know this. You still need to read the UN Charter and tell me Daniel Webster's definition of self-defense. Don't give me the bull**** excuse that it's "what I believe," because it's just bull****. If your political beliefs are not supported by the facts, then they aren't beliefs. They're delusions.

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Ann Coulter is as moderate as my left testicle...


Figured "Coulter-geist" was a nutswinger (Definition-A nutswinger is a metalsludge.tv term for ass-kiss/brownnoser/brownie-pointer) :thumbsup:

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Figured "Coulter-geist" was a nutswinger (Definition-A nutswinger is a metalsludge.tv term for ass-kiss/brownnoser/brownie-pointer) :thumbsup:

She's got balls in the physical sense just like the two of us. Her Adam's Apple proves as much. :wavey:

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"people who hate America"?
Bwah!
Anyone who wants justice for all people, wants the constitution to be followed, and believes it is our job to question the gov't when they are guilty of wrong doing, loves America, my friend. That's the whole concept of loving Amberica.

Im a firm believer that liberals hate american

one of my fav. quotes from Ms. Coulter...

"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United State."

that quote rings out loud in clear....liberals are the first ones to side with anyone else but America.

when you have someone like Sen. Patty Murray praising Osma bin Laden's good works in the Middle East to a classroom of students in December 2002, stating: "He's been out in these countries for decades building roads, building schools, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. It made their lives better," you have to begin to worry what kind of people are calling themselves are claiming to be on "your" side

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Figured "Coulter-geist" was a nutswinger (Definition-A nutswinger is a metalsludge.tv term for ass-kiss/brownnoser/brownie-pointer) :thumbsup:

:laugh: :xoxo: Too much!!!

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She's got balls in the physical sense just like the two of us. Her Adam's Apple proves as much. :wavey:

nutswinging f**ktard (The following words were brought to you by www.metalsludge.tv a great place to learn new words...Curse words, but nice fun Christian words none-the-less!!!)

Brian "<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/****tard.gif">" j.

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Im a firm believer that liberals hate american

I'm a firm believer that you should be locked up in the booby hatch.

when you have someone like Sen. Patty Murray praising Osma bin Laden's good works in the Middle East to a classroom of students in December 2002, stating: "He's been out in these countries for decades building roads, building schools, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. It made their lives better," you have to begin to worry what kind of people are calling themselves are claiming to be on "your" side

What utter bull****! Post the entire quote! I dare you!

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Im a firm believer that liberals hate american

one of my fav. quotes from Ms. Coulter...

"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United State."

that quote rings out loud in clear....liberals are the first ones to side with anyone else but America.

when you have someone like Sen. Patty Murray praising Osma bin Laden's good works in the Middle East to a classroom of students in December 2002, stating: "He's been out in these countries for decades building roads, building schools, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. It made their lives better," you have to begin to worry what kind of people are calling themselves are claiming to be on "your" side
Um, hello, Separation of Church and State is part of the Constitution! America has freedom of religion. That's why we don't want religion in our laws. It's really as simple as that. Freedom of religion doesn't mean that one religion gets to dictate laws for the rest of the country. It's the Constitution. It's why we fought to be free of England in the first place. to be free of religious persecution. Liberals love America. That's why we want the constitution to be followed, and people who do wrong to be accountable for their actions.

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Don't give me the bull**** excuse that it's "what I believe," because it's just bull****.

Why not, it seems to be the way you approach things!

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Why not, it seems to be the way you approach things!

No, I deal in facts. You deal in lies, half-truths, and delusions. ;)

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Um, hello, Separation of Church and State is part of the Constitution! America has freedom of religion. That's why we don't want religion in our laws. It's really as simple as that. Freedom of religion doesn't mean that one religion gets to dictate laws for the rest of the country. It's the Constitution. It's why we fought to be free of England in the first place. to be free of religious persecution.

Well thats kind of hard when the constitution of our Country was founded based on a common belief in GOD! He is in our constitution and in our history. Thats something that many liberals seem egar to change these days!

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Well thats kind of hard when the constitution of our Country was founded based on a common belief in GOD! He is in our constitution and in our history. Thats something that many liberals seem egar to change these days!

POST THE ENTIRE QUOTE FROM PATTY MURRAY.

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No, I deal in facts. You deal in lies, half-truths, and delusions. ;)

I have only read one "fact" from you...about Ann's supposed mis-quotation in "Treason" other than that...I'm getting alot of "your a liar" and such...

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I have only read one "fact" from you...about Ann's supposed mis-quotation in "Treason" other than that...I'm getting alot of "your a liar" and such...

POST THE ENTIRE QUOTE FROM PATTY MURRAY.

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POST THE ENTIRE QUOTE FROM PATTY MURRAY.

wow...if your so excited about it...why don't YOU post the rest of it! :lol:

is that part of the quote not sufficent enough for the point that I was trying to make...an "american" praising Osama!

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wow...if your so excited about it...why don't YOU post the rest of it! :lol:

is that part of the quote not sufficent enough for the point that I was trying to make...an "american" praising Osama!

POST THE ENTIRE QUOTE FROM PATTY MURRAY.

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POST THE ENTIRE QUOTE FROM PATTY MURRAY.

I don't think this person has the ability to think critically. I'm afraid.

[amber]

Well thats kind of hard when the constitution of our Country was founded based on a common belief in GOD! He is in our constitution and in our history. Thats something that many liberals seem egar to change these days!
Bwah! Freedom of religion is integral to our constitution...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

"We’ve got to ask, why is this man (bin Laden) so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty? He’s been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven’t done that. How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

ok...posted.

[amber]

Imperialistic genocide is in Britain's history. I guess they'd better stick by that foundation.
:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :thumbsup:

[dissention]

"...and the people are extremely grateful. We haven’t done that. How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

That says it all. Or do you not comprehend the point she was making?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That says it all. Or do you not comprehend the point she was making?

Yes, she was RIDICULING America...blaiming us for their injustice...and then turning around and blaim the man responsible for the events of September 11, 2001 of being a good worker and doing great things for them! WHAT A SICK-O! Somehow liberals always manage to make it "America's" fault for ALL of the problems of the world!

[amber]

"We’ve got to ask, why is this man (bin Laden) so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty? He’s been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven’t done that. How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

ok...posted.
exactly. :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I don't think this person has the ability to think critically. I'm afraid.

sorry...i posted the quote...

hate to spoil your bash "brwn_eyes0511" party.... :p

[dissention]

Yes, she was RIDICULING America...blaiming us for their injustice...and then turning around and blaim the man responsible for the events of September 11, 2001 of being a good worker and doing great things for them! WHAT A SICK-O! Somehow liberals always manage to make it "America's" fault for ALL of the problems of the world!

Did you eat a brain tumor for dinner?!

She was explaining exactly why they dislike our country, why they view us in a negative manner. You can call it sick all you want, but Osama Bin Laden DID give aid to the people of Afghanistan, our own government acknowledges it. It doesn't make him a good person. We did not give aid to Afghanistan. They view us as the enemy because we don't help them and we bomb them. She said that if we had a more hands-on approach to countries such as Afghanistan, we wouldn't be viewed so harshly. How is that sick? It's common f*cking sense.

[estranged4life]

their music was way too mellow and ya are bound to fall asleep if ya listened to it for extended periods of time...That is the America that liberals hate aint it??? :shrug: :lol: :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Holy crap! Do you not see how that was a misquotation?

Yup. That's why I browbeated her into posting the full quote, because she twisted it beyond recognition. :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Holy crap! Do you not see how that was a misquotation? Surely you're not that blind and if you are you ought to find a better representative for your side of the argument. That was not praising Bin Laden. He never said that Bin Laden's intentions were honourable, he stated why America is seen with disdain. Basically he was saying why Bin Laden's propaganda works when contrasted with the effective apathy that people are treated to by America.

Don't YOU see that this person is find any way they can to BLAIM America. He completley acted as if what Bin Laden did was honourable...if he wasn't trying to stress that then why was he comparing what we have "not done" to what he HAS done for them!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yup. That's why I browbeated her into posting the full quote, because she twisted it beyond recognition. :wavey:

once and for all..IM A HE...lol...I thought I said that last night...but oh well guess not!

[dissention]

Don't YOU see that this person is find any way they can to BLAIM America. He completley acted as if what Bin Laden did was honourable...if he wasn't trying to stress that then why was he comparing what we have "not done" to what he HAS done for them!

:laugh:

Your comprehension needs work, that's not what was said at all.

[dissention]

once and for all..IM A HE...lol...I thought I said that last night...but oh well guess not!

No wonder you think that women should submit themselves to their husbands. :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh:

Your comprehension needs work, that's not what was said at all.

Yes it is! Come on now...

In that one quote...he manages to paint American in a negative light, and praise Bin Laden at the same time.

[amber]

Ah, so you expect the people of Iraq to see American bombers destroy their towns and people yet stand firm that no one should blame America? It is Bin Laden's fault. When Bin Laden destroyed your buildlings, didn't you blame him? I think you have an unrealistically high expectation of people in such countries as Iraq. You require that they do not subject your country to their hatred when being attacked by your military, yet you expect them to allow your country to blame their entire nation for the acts of a few who actually weren't even from their country.
yes, yes, indeed. so clear, so logical. yet...he won't get it...

[dissention]

Yes it is! Come on now...

In that one quote...he manages to paint American in a negative light, and praise Bin Laden at the same time.

Not at all. You're so blind to it that I won't even discuss that particular quote anymore. It's old hat and you don't comprehend it. :sorry:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ah, so you expect the people of Iraq to see American bombers destroy their towns and people yet stand firm that no one should blame America? It is Bin Laden's fault. When Bin Laden destroyed your buildlings, didn't you blame him? I think you have an unrealistically high expectation of people in such countries as Iraq. You require that they do not subject your country to their hatred when being attacked by your military, yet you expect them to allow your country to blame their entire nation for the acts of a few who actually weren't even from their country.

I have never made a blanket statement where I blame an entire country for terrorist attacks!

[gldstwmn]

PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. :wavey:

[amber]

Wow, I'm watching this Kick Ass show on jack johnson
"i have the right to choose who I love, and who i want for a mate"

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Not at all. You're so blind to it that I won't even discuss that particular quote anymore. It's old hat and you don't comprehend it. :sorry:

Why is it that I am not the one correctly comprehending it...and you are!

What a jerk!

[dissention]

PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. :wavey:

But it's fun. :lol:

[amber]

PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. :wavey:
never thought of that...I'm so naive :D

[dissention]

Why is it that I am not the one correctly comprehending it...and you are!

What a jerk!

Because you simply don't show a grasp of what Patty Murray said.

Lux is comprehending it perfectly well, too, from what I can see. :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Of course I don't see that! My god, you don't even know what you're talking about. Read the quote over and over again, concentrate and think hard about this one if you are going to continue arguing. Please for your own sake, elect someone with a higher comprehension ability to represent your argument.

I completly understand the quote...HE was trying to explain to students why America is seen in a negative light...I get that folks thank you!

[heyjupiter678]

Well thats kind of hard when the constitution of our Country was founded based on a common belief in GOD! He is in our constitution and in our history.
Sorry, there is NO mention of God in the constitution, precisely because the founding fathers intended to keep government separate from religion.

Also:

" . . . the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion . . ." - from the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I just have a funny picture when I try to see Osama opening up DAY CARE centers in this place...lol

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/terrorbaby.jpg

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/babysuicideterroristcrop.jpg

[amber]

Sorry, there is NO mention of God in the constitution, precisely because the founding fathers intended to keep government separate from religion.

Also:

" . . . the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion . . ." - from the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams
KICK ASS! SWEEEEEEET!
Love. :xoxo: :xoxo:

[dissention]

I just have a funny picture when I try to see Osama opening up DAY CARE centers in this place...lol

Those pictures have effectively stopped my participation in this discussion. How classy. :mad:

[amber]

Those pictures have effectively stopped my participation in this discussion. How classy. :mad:
Thats: "Klassy"

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Those pictures have effectively stopped my participation in this discussion. How classy. :mad:

boy...you really don't have a since of humor....

please is their ANYONE on the chit-chat board that has any funny bone at all!?! GEESH :cool:

[amber]

boy...you really don't have a since of humor....

please is their ANYONE on the chit-chat board that has any funny bone at all!?! GEESH :cool:
Oh, we're hella funny. but not about this. you really are at the root of everything most of the ledgies find insufferable and offensive. :shrug: sorry, but it's true.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh, we're hella funny. but not about this.

then your not funny at all

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That is pathetic and I'm not even talking about the content yet. I'm sure if you go digging you'll find little American kids with KKK symbols planted on them by their parents. You'll be surprised at just what you'll find, it's just a matter of whether they decide to plaster them on newspapers as propaganda. You fell for the trick.

Its supposed to be a joke...a funny...

GOD i have never met such uptight people in my entire stay in the WWW.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh, we're hella funny. but not about this. you really are at the root of everything most of the ledgies find insufferable and offensive. :shrug: sorry, but it's true.

:rolleyes: because I actually have the backbone to be an American and state that gee...not everyone has the same opinion as.......YOU!

[gldstwmn]

But it's fun. :lol:

Well, darling if you must. :wavey:

[amber]

:rolleyes: because I actually have the backbone to be an American and state that gee...not everyone has the same opinion as.......YOU!
the opinion that is hurting millions of Americans and people from other countries every day? Yep...It's fine to have you're opinion. You should really base it on something real, though.

[estranged4life]

boy...you really don't have a since of humor....

please is their ANYONE on the chit-chat board that has any funny bone at all!?! GEESH :cool:

I do...tomorrow night on South Park ya can learn the real reason for the war in Afghanistan...Yes, And Stevie Nicks is the reason why ("All hail the infamous Stevie Goat...Hail Stevie...Hail Stevie...Hail Stevie!!!")

<div align=center><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Stevie-Goat.jpg"></div>

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I do...tomorrow night on South Park ya can learn the real reason for the war in Afghanistan...Yes, And Stevie Nicks is the reason why ("All hail the infamous Stevie Goat...Hail Stevie...Hail Stevie...Hail Stevie!!!")

<div align=center><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Stevie-Goat.jpg"></div>

LOL :lol: to funny

[Brwn_eyes0511]

the opinion that is hurting millions of Americans and people from other countries every day? Yep...It's fine to have you're opinion. You should really base it on something real, though.

ha...and I could really say the same thing for you to. You should base your opinions on something real...Im so sick of the atmosphere of "I'm right and your DEAD wrong" on this board!

[amber]

ha...and I could really say the same thing for you to. You should base your opinions on something real...Im so sick of the atmosphere of "I'm right and your DEAD wrong" on this board!
k.
but you are.

[gldstwmn]

Im so sick of the atmosphere of "I'm right and your DEAD wrong" on this board!

You joined 8 days ago.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You joined 8 days ago.

I know and I'm already getting that attitude from most everyone...lol...thats whats sad

[Brwn_eyes0511]

k.
but you are.

no
but you are.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ahem excuse me, if you will. As a decorated comedy screenplay writer, I think I know a little bit more about comedy (and exaggeration). I just didn't find the post funny.

and now im supposed to feel all bad...
because you didn't find the post funny. :rolleyes:
excuse me SELF proclaimed decorated comedy writer.

[amber]

Ahem excuse me, if you will. As a decorated comedy screenplay writer, I think I know a little bit more about comedy (and exaggeration). I just didn't find the post funny.
Oh, Congrats on your award, by the way! SuperKudos! Excellente!
:xoxo:

[amber]

Well you did ask if there was anyone on the board with a funny-bone. I'm simply alerting you to the fact that, yes, I am funny. Also, just to because you doubt, the awards infer that it's not simply self-proclaimed. I could show you them but it's not particularly funny.
It's true, she is. I'm an arbiter of funny, and she's got it. As do most other people on this board at one time or another. I guess we just don't find babies holding guns and being used as propoganda for a heinous war that we don't believe is right all that funny!
Go Figure... :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's true, she is. I'm an arbiter of funny, and she's got it. As do most other people on this board at one time or another. I guess we just don't find babies holding guns and being used as propoganda for a heinous war that we don't beleive is right all that funny!
Go Figure... :shrug:

well, I thought it was funny regardless of what you believe...I think the whole notion of OBL building day cares is even funnier.

oh well...sorry to offend yet again...but I was trying to lighten things up...but geesh is this the most curious board I have EVER posted at ;)

[amber]

well, I thought it was funny regardless of what you believe...I think the whole notion of OBL building day cares is even funnier.

oh well...sorry to offend yet again...but I was trying to lighten things up...but geesh is this the most curious board I have EVER posted at ;)
Alright! :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

sorry...i posted the quote...

hate to spoil your bash "brwn_eyes0511" party.... :p

And you proved my point quite well, I'm afraid.

[SuzeQuze]

Don't YOU see that this person is find any way they can to BLAIM America. He completley acted as if what Bin Laden did was honourable...if he wasn't trying to stress that then why was he comparing what we have "not done" to what he HAS done for them!

You're paranoid. He was trying to "understand" why anyone would follow a monster like Bin Laden. When you are fighting an enemy, don't you need to know what you are up against? Geez.

[SuzeQuze]

Ahem excuse me, if you will. As a decorated comedy screenplay writer, I think I know a little bit more about comedy (and exaggeration). I just didn't find the post funny.

Babies with guns ain't funny. Period. Another thing that he just doesn't get. :distress:

[SuzeQuze]

Thankyou Amber. I do enjoy modesty.

Obviously, since you've never mentioned your awards before, congratulations! :-D

[DrummerDeanna]

their music was way too mellow and ya are bound to fall asleep if ya listened to it for extended periods of time...That is the America that liberals hate aint it??? :shrug: :lol: :thumbsup:

Oh. My God. I just peed my pants - that? was F**king hilarious...:lol: :lol: