Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Christopher Dodd to Stand with Boxer/Conyers

[gldstwmn]

F*ck yeah! that's what I'm talkin' 'bout. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

http://www.truthout.org/fyi/

[strandinthewind]

Rock on Hillary Clinton
Take your golden choice
and dig their grave - OH YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuzeQuze]

Omigod, Hillary, woo hooo!!!!!!!!!
:blob1: :woohoo: :woohoo: :blob2:

[estranged4life]

(Nor will I ever be for that matter) but I am not surprised either.

I guess I will have to watch C-Span today (And pray to God/Allah/Budda/etc that I dont lapse into a braindead state) to see what really goes down.

[irishgrl]

those are all the same people I efaxed! you can all thank me now *takes a bow* :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

those are all the same people I efaxed! you can all thank me now *takes a bow* :thumbsup:

Thank you! I also think special thanks should go to Michael Moore. :nod:

[estranged4life]

Thank you! I also think special thanks should go to Michael Moore. :nod:

but isnt getting any of my donuts :lol: :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?dateid=38358.405448287-830700639&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806&
Democrats to force debate on Ohio election results

[estranged4life]

is showin' a Barbara Boxer press conference currently.

[dissention]

:thumbsup:

I cannot wait to watch all of this.

[estranged4life]

watching the Boxer/Tubbs Jones press conference on CSPAN2

[EnchantedSLN]

Yes! :D I already had a great deal of respect for Barbara Boxer, but even moreso now. I'm glad she came through on this and that others have decided to join her. Just sent a new (thank you) fax to her office. I can't wait for 1 Pm EST.

Here's the entire text of her letter, btw: http://boxer.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=230446

[estranged4life]

on CSPAN the **** is starting...I see the fan is moving into place for the **** to land upon.

[gldstwmn]

**** STARTING TO HIT FAN... :thumbsup:

[dissention]

**** STARTING TO HIT FAN... :thumbsup:

MY SATELLITE DISH CAN'T PICK UP A F*CKING SIGNAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EnchantedSLN]

Way to go Rep. Jones! Deborah Pryce is a $#!&@*% waste of space.

[gldstwmn]

MY SATELLITE DISH CAN'T PICK UP A F*CKING SIGNAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.csapn.org streaming live

[gldstwmn]

Way to go Rep. Jones! Deborah Pryce is a $#!&@*% waste of space.
She did say fraud though... :lol: Can't wait until her five minutes are up.

[dissention]

www.csapn.org streaming live

Tried it and it chops up every twenty seconds. I have dial-up. :mad:

Thanks, dear. :xoxo: Cross your fingers on my behalf. :laugh:

[Nixxxed]

MY SATELLITE DISH CAN'T PICK UP A F*CKING SIGNAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But all the commercials say that NEVER EVER EVER happens. Surely, the dish providers aren't LYING!!! :laugh:

I can't decide whether to watch the House or Senate debate on my good-ole standard cable. I know -- I'll watch both! *flip* *flip* *flip*

[strandinthewind]

Tried it and it chops up every twenty seconds. I have dial-up. :mad:

Thanks, dear. :xoxo: Cross your fingers on my behalf. :laugh:

get broadband ya cheap bastard :laugh: :p :wavey:

my comp. here will not stream :mad:

[dissention]

But all the commercials say that NEVER EVER EVER happens. Surely, the dish providers aren't LYING!!! :laugh:

I can't decide whether to watch the House or Senate debate on my good-ole standard cable. I know -- I'll watch both! *flip* *flip* *flip*

They're lying pricks. I am so mad right now, it's not even funny.

[DrummerDeanna]

get broadband ya cheap bastard :laugh: :p :wavey:

my comp. here will not stream :mad:


Posted it in another thread...but NPR is carrying it live...:D

[estranged4life]

I'm recording this on DVD-R and it sounds like alotta fun now...But once again the great state of Oklahoma was denied a voice because of the whole OHIO fiasco :lol:

Ohio sucks!

[dissention]

Posted it in another thread...but NPR is carrying it live...:D

:thumbsup: Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuzeQuze]

get broadband ya cheap bastard :laugh: :p :wavey:

my comp. here will not stream :mad:

Same here, no streaming in office. :mad: Probly a good rule of thumb tho. ;)

[estranged4life]

Smoke the 2 parties in the great Independent style...

Dude & Dudettes Bernie f**kin' rules!

[gldstwmn]

Senate debate being shown on CSPAN 2. Dick Durbin up now.

[SuzeQuze]

Smoke the 2 parties in the great Independent style...

Dude & Dudettes Bernie f**kin' rules!

Please have mercy on us who do not have our TVs on and tell us who took the stand on this. Thanks.

[estranged4life]

Bernie Whatshislastname (I'm recording CSPAN1 'the House' but flipping to CSPAN2 the 'Senate', The idiots who ran CSPAN said that CSPAN was going to show the Senate, But theyre wrong)...I didnt catch his last name it since I am surfing/watching/and sick all at the same time...But he ripped some ass on both parties IMO, Especially ripped on not allowing people to vote no matter who won.

Wished I had another DVD burner :nod:

Damn, I'm proud to be an Independent!!!!

[gldstwmn]

Please have mercy on us who do not have our TVs on and tell us who took the stand on this. Thanks.

Debbie Stabenow in the Senate now and Janet Napolitano in the House. Melvin Watt just finished speaking in the House.

[DrummerDeanna]

:thumbsup: Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well crap - it now appears that NPR is cutting out of this and going back to live coverage on the hearings on Roberto Gonzalez... :sorry:

[strandinthewind]

Well crap - it now appears that NPR is cutting out of this and going back to live coverage on the hearings on Roberto Gonzalez... :sorry:

Those confirmation hearing are going on while the elctoral stuff is happening?

[gldstwmn]

But all the commercials say that NEVER EVER EVER happens. Surely, the dish providers aren't LYING!!! :laugh:

I can't decide whether to watch the House or Senate debate on my good-ole standard cable. I know -- I'll watch both! *flip* *flip* *flip*

That's what I'm doing. This f*cker from Ohio is pissing me off.

[DrummerDeanna]

Those confirmation hearing are going on while the elctoral stuff is happening?

Yep - it's been going on since 9:30 this morning - and it's still on right now - NPR cut from that to this stuff - now they're going back again which sucks...

[strandinthewind]

. . . Damn, I'm proud to be an Independent!!!!

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[gldstwmn]

TEDDY KENNEDY Senate now.

[gldstwmn]

Senator Wyden D Oregon speaking to the importance of PAPER BALLOTS. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Nancy Pelosi D- California now speaking about voter disenfranchisement. Also calling Republican on the carpet for their nasty rebuttals. :lol: She says we must have this debate today because it is the only place to have it.

[gldstwmn]

Senator Lautenberg attacking Blackwell for being Bush/Cheney 04 campaign chair. :thumbsup:

[estranged4life]

it is pronounce Dis-en-fran-chised :nod: ...Poor lady cannot pronounce the word disenfranchised, Took 3 times to get it right, tsk, tsk, tsk :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

TEDDY KENNEDY Senate now.

Really? Oh man. WOW.

[gldstwmn]

Lautenberg will introduce Federal Eelction Integrity Act.

[gldstwmn]

Hillary Clinton up now. Talking about the Ukraine and Iraq. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Repuke from New York who was caught on tape talking about delivering the votes for Bush talking now in House. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

I'm nominating Bernie Sanders for best "off his meds" performance. :thumbsup: :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada up now.

[SuzeQuze]

Hillary Clinton up now. Talking about the Ukraine and Iraq. :thumbsup:

gldstwmn, thank you thank you thank you for these posts!!! i've been dying here! :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

gldstwmn, thank you thank you thank you for these posts!!! i've been dying here! :wavey:

You're welcome. :xoxo:
This turnout is more than we could have ever hoped for. Blackwell is toast, at the very least.

[SuzeQuze]

You're welcome. :xoxo:
This turnout is more than we could have ever hoped for. Blackwell is toast, at the very least.

I can see by this thread and I am so effing proud of our dems WOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! :xoxo:

I know Kennedy was moved by <i>my</i> fax. JK, whatever moved him, I'm glad it did.

[gldstwmn]

Senator Tom Harkin D Iowa speaking now.
Rep. Hayworth R Arizona shoveling **** on the other channel. :rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

I'm nominating Bernie Sanders for best "off his meds" performance. :thumbsup: :lol:

thats the dude who ripped a hole on everyone, Gotta love when an Independent gets sick of the same-ol-story BS and goes ballistic...I thought he was goin' to postal without being a mail carrier :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

thats the dude who ripped a hole on everyone, Gotta love when an Independent gets sick of the same-ol-story BS and goes ballistic...I thought he was goin' to postal without being a mail carrier :lol:

Some passion! Now that's what I like to see. How ya like me now!!! LOL.

[estranged4life]

Rep. Hayworth R Arizona shoveling **** on the other channel. :rolleyes:

me more nauseated...

"It's called sour grapes"-J.D. Hayworth

"Blogging doesnt make it so"-J.D. Hayworth

Man, I think I will hurl now!

[irishgrl]

I posted an ongoing report link by truthout, you might want to visit the post/link to see what is the latest..........

[gldstwmn]

Obama!!! :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Kucinich on a tear. They want Blackwell's head!

[estranged4life]

showing a bit of passion...Bout damn time

But dude, dont bobble yer nog...Ya look like Pat "I saw Jesus saying vote for Bush in Ohio" Robertson when ya do that, If ya wanna bob-the-nog "Headbang" like my picts of DBD in my signature.

[gldstwmn]

Rep Barbara Lee D California-I won't get over it!

[gldstwmn]

thats the dude who ripped a hole on everyone, Gotta love when an Independent gets sick of the same-ol-story BS and goes ballistic...I thought he was goin' to postal without being a mail carrier :lol:

He and Dennis are the highlights so far!

[gldstwmn]

I find it ironic that the ones trotting out the "conspiracy theories" are the Republicans. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Bought and paid for Rep from Michigan talking about turkeys. :rolleyes:
Hastert just told her to sit down! :lol:

[EnchantedSLN]

Sen. Voinovich - the people cast their vote & chose their government, Bush. Someone in the gallery screaming "they did not! Liar!" :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Rep Ellijah Cummings D Maryland shaming the Republicans and turkey woman. for taking voter disenfranchisement too lightly.
"If it was your wife or your child, would you be making the same argument?"

[gldstwmn]

Rep Cynthia McKinney up now. Should be good. Talking about voting machines that can't be trusted-not only in Ohio but Georgia as well!

[gldstwmn]

David Dreier up now. Come out of the close David and stop consorting with those who hate homosexuality.

[irishgrl]

http://www.truthout.org/fyi/

[estranged4life]

Rep.Jesse Jackson Jr. is more believable than his asshole Father Jesse "Payoff the hoe's with Rainbow Coalition money" Jackson Sr.

[EnchantedSLN]

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. highlighting differences in states' laws re: who can vote, need for reform, unitary system :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Senate voting now;
Dems voting no: Alexander, Byrd, :distress: Dayton, Salazar (I will work to unseat you, I voted for you you bastard) and the usual Republican suspects including Dr. Death Coburn and fecal matter Santorum.

[gldstwmn]

Feingold votes no? WTF?

[EnchantedSLN]

Feingold votes no? WTF?

I know. But most all said or hinted in their speeches... so glad to be having this necessary debate blah blah blah, but by the way I will vote to certify :rolleyes:. It's not like any of us expected it to be sustained, so why not at least make the symbolic statement?

[SuzeQuze]

Feingold votes no? WTF?

What is the vote for? I know this was about certifying the election so I am confused about this part.

[EnchantedSLN]

What is the vote for? I know this was about certifying the election so I am confused about this part.

Both houses have to vote whether to sustain the objection raised by Rep. Tubbs-Jones and Senator Boxer, or dismiss it (in effect voting to certify the EV).

[estranged4life]

Senate voting now;
Dems voting no: Alexander, Byrd, :distress: Dayton, Salazar (I will work to unseat you, I voted for you you bastard) and the usual Republican suspects including Dr. Death Coburn and fecal matter Santorum.

Dr.Death Coburn voted...Big surprise...Hey Dr.Death, got a message for ya from a former resident of your, And my hometown of Muskogee Oklahoma---

"Coburn Optical Sucks ASS ya beyotch"!!!

Ahh, That feels' much better...

This threadjack has been brought to you by Brian j...Hater of assholes from Muskogee Oklahoma who are as worthless as tits on a borehog!

[gldstwmn]

What is the vote for? I know this was about certifying the election so I am confused about this part.

They are voting now in the Senate whether to challenge Ohio's electoral votes. So far only Boxer and Levin have saidn yes. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

I know. But most all said or hinted in their speeches... so glad to be having this necessary debate blah blah blah, but by the way I will vote to certify :rolleyes:. It's not like any of us expected it to be sustained, so why not at least make the symbolic statement?

No kidding. We need to pay close attention to those who vote "no." :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Rep Sheila Jackson Lee D Texas speaking now. Talking about the Ukraine. Marvelous speaker and a great rep. :thumbsup:

[irishgrl]

boxer votes yes

[gldstwmn]

Sen. Voinovich - the people cast their vote & chose their government, Bush. Someone in the gallery screaming "they did not! Liar!" :lol:
Right on! :lol:

[irishgrl]

They are voting now in the Senate whether to challenge Ohio's electoral votes. So far only Boxer and Levin have saidn yes. :distress:
I posted a link from will pitt re: voting, its realtime I believe
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)

[EnchantedSLN]

Rep. Keller can not stop talking about Michael Moore and Hollywood. This is hilarious. What an ass.

[amber]

I posted a link from will pitt re: voting, its realtime I believe
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)
not yet. at work.

[gldstwmn]

I posted a link from will pitt re: voting, its realtime I believe
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)

I currently have six windows going. But I do enjoy discussing it with my friends here. :wavey:

[irishgrl]

ok, Ill leave it in your capable hands then!

[gldstwmn]

Rep. Keller can not stop talking about Michael Moore and Hollywood. This is hilarious. What an ass.

Haha. Here comes Maxine Waters. :thumbsup: I love her.

[irishgrl]

The vote in the Senate is 74-1. The motion is not approved.

[strandinthewind]

The vote in the Senate is 74-1. The motion is not approved.

no surprise there - but at least the voices were raised. I wonder if W will comment on it :rolleyes: :mad:

[irishgrl]

hopefully the House will do better for democracy

[estranged4life]

I'm disappointed to not hear a single Oklahoman speak :nod:

[amber]

The vote in the Senate is 74-1. The motion is not approved.
1? 1???!!! :mad: *grow some balls, people.

[SuzeQuze]

The vote in the Senate is 74-1. The motion is not approved.

So Boxer was the only one to vote "yes"? :distress:

[amber]

The vote in the Senate is 74-1. The motion is not approved.
Just read Boxer's speech thanks to your link. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

So Boxer was the only one to vote "yes"? :distress:
I thought Levin voted Aye as well.

[SuzeQuze]

I posted a link from will pitt re: voting, its realtime I believe
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)

From there: "Boxer votes 'Aye'
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 02:52
GOP Rep. Drier in the House says the people questioning the Ohio vote are aiding terrorists.

Typical.
"

So asking for all votes to be counted and for election fraud to be investigated is aiding terrorists? That is the most re-goddam-diculous thing I have ever freaking heard!!!! :mad:

[gldstwmn]

From there: "Boxer votes 'Aye'
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 02:52
GOP Rep. Drier in the House says the people questioning the Ohio vote are aiding terrorists.

Typical.
"

So asking for all votes to be counted and for election fraud to be investigated is aiding terrorists? That is the most re-goddam-diculous thing I have ever freaking heard!!!! :mad:

But he sure is pretty to look at. :lol: :wavey: :rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

Ohio's voting problems are really f**ked IMO...

If they wanna laugh they should check out a certain voting district in OKC that consists of how just one lone voter!!! A voting machine, By Oklahoma law, has to be setup and voting reps have to be present for this voter...Only problem the guy refuses to show up to vote :lol: :shrug:

People complain & contiue to complain about this one lone voter, But since Oklahoma law dictates every person, No matter where they reside has the right to vote theres nuthin' they can do about it.

[SuzeQuze]

But he sure is pretty to look at. :lol: :wavey: :rolleyes:

GOP Rep. Drier, shush, you are to be seen and not heard ;)

[dissention]

GOP Rep. Drier, shush, you are to be seen and not heard ;)

OMG, he's sickening. How did that troll escape from the basement?

[gldstwmn]

OMG, he's sickening. How did that troll escape from the basement?

Look who's on now. My biggest wish is to see bug man indicted.

[EnchantedSLN]

Watching the real-time House tally... who is the Republican rep. voting yea?

EDIT -- Ummm nevermind, now it's gone.

[amber]

Look who's on now. My biggest wish is to see bug man indicted.
your descriptions aren't real helpful for those of us not watching... :lol:

[irishgrl]

Here comes the House vote
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 03:51
Republicans have trouble pushing buttons, it seems. Two times a vote to uphold the challenge came from the GOP side, and then got switched back after they realized they pushed the wrong button.

There is a GOP vote to uphold the challenge now, and it appears to be sticking.

Nope. Gone now. Learn to push buttons, folks.
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)

ps: this same link will keep giving updates so keep checking it

[estranged4life]

Here comes the House vote
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 03:51
Republicans have trouble pushing buttons, it seems. Two times a vote to uphold the challenge came from the GOP side, and then got switched back after they realized they pushed the wrong button.

There is a GOP vote to uphold the challenge now, and it appears to be sticking.

Nope. Gone now. Learn to push buttons, folks.
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)


graphic no Repub has voted yea...20 for yea 115 for nay

[gldstwmn]

your descriptions aren't real helpful for those of us not watching... :lol:

The illustirous Speaker Of The House, Tom DeLay R Texas, former exterminator. :wavey:

[dissention]

The illustirous Speaker Of The House, Tom DeLay R Texas, former exterminator. :wavey:

Who also resembles a roach. Them bug eyes, man, my word.

[estranged4life]

23 yea 172 nay

[irishgrl]

De Lay is also the man who seems to think the ethics rules dont apply to him

[irishgrl]

27 votes in the House
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 04:04
to support the objection.

I interviewed Rep. Conyers just before the hearing. I will have the transcript up as soon as I can.

[estranged4life]

a Repub has been listed as voting yea, Lets see it that stick (See it just disappearred, LOL!!!)

An Independent voted nay and it has stuck!

<br>Repubs. 173 Nay 56 NV
<br>Demos. 33 Yea 83 Nay 83 NV
<br>Indep. 1 Nay

<br>33 Yea 257 Nay 139NV

[strandinthewind]

Democrats challenge Ohio electoral votes
Move delays official certification of election



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Citing "widespread irregularities" on Election Day, a handful of House Democrats and one senator objected Thursday to the counting of Ohio's 20 electoral votes, delaying the official certification of the 2004 presidential election results.

The Democrats said they were not trying to overturn President Bush's re-election but want to draw attention to the need for aggressive election reform in the wake of what they said were widespread voter problems.

In a letter to congressional leaders Wednesday, members of the group said they would take the action because a new report by Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee found "numerous, serious election irregularities," particularly in Ohio, that led to "a significant disenfranchisement of voters."

The House of Representatives and Senate met Thursday afternoon in a constitutionally mandated session to count the electoral votes. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, presided over the session.

Four years ago, after the disputed election results in Florida, members of the Congressional Black Caucus attempted to block Florida's electoral votes from being counted. In a scene recalled in the movie "Fahrenheit 9/11," lawmaker after lawmaker was gaveled down by Vice President Al Gore because no senator would support the objections, as the law requires.

House Democrats involved in this year's protest worked for weeks to enlist the support of a senator, and Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, agreed in a letter Wednesday to join the effort.

"I have concluded that objecting to the electoral votes from Ohio is the only immediate way to bring these issues to light by allowing you to have a two-hour debate to let the American people know the facts surrounding Ohio's election," Boxer wrote to Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio.

"I will therefore join you in your objection to the certification of Ohio's electoral votes."

If one member of each body of Congress objects, congressional rules require that lawmakers return to their chambers to vote on the merits. A simple majority vote in each chamber would overturn the challenge -- something that should be easily achieved in the GOP-controlled Congress.

Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic nominee for president, released a letter Wednesday saying he would not take part in the protest.

"Our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election," Kerry said.

Bush carried Ohio by more than 118,000 votes, with the Buckeye State win providing the margin of victory in the Electoral College race. The president received 286 to Kerry's 252 electoral votes.

But the senator from Massachusetts said voting problems need to be addressed "to make sure they never happen again."

Kerry was not on hand Thursday. He's in Iraq, thanking U.S. troops for their service there.

CNN's Ted Barrett contributed to this report.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote/index.html

and

Lawmakers Dispute Electoral College Results

Thursday, January 06, 2005



WASHINGTON — The Senate voted 74-1 to reject an objection to the certification of Ohio's Electoral College votes after Sen. Barbara Boxer (search), D-Calif., and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (search), D-Ohio, on Thursday stopped the formal declaration of President Bush's second term to protest voting irregularities.

A joint session of Congress met to certify the election earlier in the day but quickly recessed per congressional rules to go to their respective chambers to debate certification for up to two hours.

"I raise this objection neither to put the nation in a turmoil of proposed overturn election," Jones said in the House after stopping the count. "I raised this objection because I am convinced that we as a body must conduct a formal" debate and "protect the integrity of the true will of the people."

Boxer said on the floor of the Senate that she joined with Jones to "shed some light" about the issues of reported voting irregularities in Ohio as well as election reform throughout the nation.

The California Democrat said that even though the last Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (search), lawmakers had not done enough to examine voting problems.

Boxer said, "The centerpiece of this country is democracy and the centerpiece of democracy is ensuring the right to vote."

"Our people are dying all over the world ... to bring democracy to the far corners of the world," she said. "Let's fix it here."

Thursday's action was the first of its kind in 36 years, but probably will amount to no more than a procedural delay of the inevitable.

After the two-hour debate in each chamber, the House and Senate are to vote separately on whether to uphold the objection or go back and certify the president. The two bodies are expected to reconvene later in the day in a joint session to report their respective actions.

Boxer decided late Wednesday that she would challenge the results of Ohio's 20 Electoral College votes for Bush. She sent a letter to Jones saying she was "moved" by Jones' concerns about reported election irregularities in the decisive swing state.

"I have concluded that objecting to the electoral votes from Ohio is the only immediate way to bring these issues to light by allowing you to have a two-hour debate to let the American people know the facts surrounding Ohio's election," Boxer said in the letter.

Read the letter by clicking here.

Earlier on Thursday, Boxer and Jones held a news conference and acknowledged they are not expecting to overturn the November election results. But they stressed the need to have a debate on voting irregularities, which they suggested would not happen if it weren't for this formal challenge. Boxer characterized the objection as "the first round in the battle for electoral justice."

Boxer also said she regrets that she didn't object to the certification four years ago when the controversial election put Bush over Al Gore.

"Yes, I think there are people who wish we didn't do it, but we're doing it for the right reasons," she said, adding that she was also going to introduce with her House colleagues legislation to standardize elections nationally.

Jones added that she couldn't let the election go without assuring democracy applies to everyone in the United States.

"I can't let it go because there are people in my congressional district, there are people in this country who said, 'Stephanie, I did not get my vote counted. My vote did not count. I was denied the opportunity to vote.'"

Vice President Dick Cheney (search) led the effort to read off electoral votes won by both Bush and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (search).

The "certificates of vote" from each state were called out and the number of votes designated for president and vice president were reported on four separate paper tallies.

At the end of the reading of all 50 states and the District of Columbia's votes, the four tellers responsible for recording the tallies are expected to compare results and sign off on them. Cheney then is supposed to announce the totals and order them into the record.

This is not the first objection to certification. In 2001, more than two-dozen Democrats objected to the certification of Florida's disputed election, but because no senator objected, as is required to trigger a recess of the joint session, the objection was ignored.

Republicans from Ohio were not pleased by the Democrats' objection. Rep. Deborah Pryce, R-Ohio, called the challenge an effort by "certain extreme elements of Senator Kerry's own party" to mock an election that Kerry himself conceded.

"Their intention in this whole process is merely … to undermine public confidence in the electoral system itself," Pryce said. Challenges are "no more than another exercise in their party's primary goal to obstruct, to divide and destroy."

Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, said charges made about Ohio’s election are “wild, incoherent and completely unsubstantiated. He delivered a statement on the Senate floor saying he found it "almost impossible to believe" that the Senate was debating the matter when the official results showed that Bush won his state with more 118,000 votes.

Added House Majority Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri: "Every time we doubt the process, we cast doubt on that fabric of democracy that's so important ... people do need to have confidence that the process works."

Boxer and several other senators had been approached by House Democrats to launch the corresponding objection from the Senate that would force the recess of the joint session.

According to informed sources, House Democrats also approached newly-elected Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (search) to join the objection. Those sources said Obama has no plans to do so.

Kerry, who lost the election to Bush and is currently overseas, said in a letter sent to supporters Wednesday he would not take part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors because, despite widespread reports of voting irregularities, his legal team had "found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

Kerry said he planned to introduce election-reform legislation and push for congressional hearings on the voting irregularities.

Read Kerry's letter by clicking here.

Asked about the political wisdom of deciding to join House members in contesting the results, an aide to Boxer told FOX News, "These are credible folks in the House who say there are real problems out there. They need to shine the light on this. So they made an appeal to the senator for the right to shine the light on it.

"There are folks who think this is a not a fruitful exercise, because even [if] the results are challenged, it still may not change the outcome," the aide added, "but for two hours, this might at least be worth discussing."

Republicans say Boxer and a handful of House left-wingers are grandstanding. One Democratic leadership source also criticized Boxer, suggesting, "It would not be preferable for her to object."

FOX News' Carl Cameron, Julie Asher and Jim Mills and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143510,00.html

[EnchantedSLN]

Here comes the House vote
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 03:51
Republicans have trouble pushing buttons, it seems. Two times a vote to uphold the challenge came from the GOP side, and then got switched back after they realized they pushed the wrong button.

There is a GOP vote to uphold the challenge now, and it appears to be sticking.

Nope. Gone now. Learn to push buttons, folks.
link (http://www.truthout.org/fyi/)

ps: this same link will keep giving updates so keep checking it

Way to prove our point :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:. "We will now decide yadda yadda via electronic vote"... then the tally comes up and Republican "yea"s keeps showing up and disappearing. Gee, thankfully they could see which option their vote was recorded for and change it! Too bad the millions of Americans who voted on electronic machines didn't have that luxury.

[SuzeQuze]

Way to prove our point :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:. "We will now decide yadda yadda via electronic vote"... then the tally comes up and Republican "yea"s keeps showing up and disappearing. Gee, thankfully they could see which option their vote was recorded for and change it! Too bad the millions of Americans who voted on electronic machines didn't have that luxury.

My thoughts exactly, and there weren't even any hanging chads. Plus they twist the question, "do you sustain the objection?" Instead of "Do you want the certification to go through?" which would be more intuitive.

[gldstwmn]

Sen. Voinovich - the people cast their vote & chose their government, Bush. Someone in the gallery screaming "they did not! Liar!" :lol:

She was taken to jail. :shocked: There's a little movement now to get her bond posted and get her out. :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

My thoughts exactly, and there weren't even any hanging chads. Plus they twist the question, "do you sustain the objection?" Instead of "Do you want the certification to go through?" which would be more intuitive.

true - by they follow a procdure and that aint it :laugh: