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sara1998
01-05-2005, 08:47 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002141092_storm05.html

Three storms threaten to strike U.S. at once

By Seth Borenstein

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Moisture-laden storms from the north, west and south are likely to converge on much of America over the next several days in what could be a once-in-a-generation onslaught, meteorologists forecast yesterday.

If the gloomy computer models at the U.S. Climate Prediction Center are right, we'll see this terrible trio:

• The "Pineapple Express," a series of warm, wet storms heading east from Hawaii, drenching Southern California and the far Southwest, already beset with heavy rain and snow. Flooding, avalanches and mudslides are possible.

• An "Arctic Express," a mass of cold air chugging south from Alaska and Canada, bringing frigid air and potentially heavy snow and ice to the usually mild-wintered Pacific Northwest.

• An unnamed warm, moist storm system from the Gulf of Mexico drenching the already-saturated Ohio, Tennessee and Mississippi valleys. Expect heavy river flooding and springlike tornadoes.

Meteorologists caution that their predictions are only as good as their computer models. And forecasts are less accurate the further into the future they attempt to predict. "The models tend to overdo the formation of these really exciting weather formations for us," said Mike Wallace, a University of Washington atmospheric scientist.

Yet the more Wallace studied the models, the more he became convinced that something wicked was coming this way.

"It all fits together nicely," he said. "There's going to be weather in the headlines this weekend, that's for sure."

The National Weather Service yesterday issued a statement warning that several inches of snow could fall by the end of the weekend in the central Puget Sound lowlands, including Seattle. The snow could begin as soon as tomorrow night, particularly in areas north of Seattle, with a growing chance of snow farther south Friday, the weather service said. Highs through this weekend are expected to be in the low- to mid-30s, with lows in the mid- to high-20s.

"Don't sound the alarm," weather service meteorologist Johnny Burg said. "But tell everybody to just pay attention to future forecasts."

The three storms are likely to meet in the nation's midsection and cause even more problems, sparing only areas east of the Appalachian Mountains. Property damage and a few deaths are likely, forecasters said.

"You're talking a two- or three-times-a-century type of thing," said prediction-center senior meteorologist James Wagner, who has been forecasting storms since 1965. "It's a pattern that has a little bit of everything."

The exact time and place of the predicted 1-2-3 punch changes slightly with every new forecast. But the National Weather Service, in its weekly "hazards assessment," alerted meteorologists and disaster specialists yesterday that flooding and frigid weather could start as early as Friday and stretch into early next week, if not longer.

"It's a situation that looks pretty potent," said Ed O'Lenic, the Climate Prediction Center's operations chief. "A large part of North America looks like it's going to be affected."

Kelly Redmond, deputy director of the Western Regional Climate Center at the Desert Research Institute in Reno, Nev., where an unusual 18 inches of snow is on the ground, said the expected heavy Western rains could cause avalanches. Southern California and western Arizona have had three to four times the normal precipitation for the area since Oct. 1.

"Somebody is in for something pretty darn interesting," Redmond said.

Somebody already knows.

A wintry blast yesterday closed schools and glazed roads with ice and snow in the Rockies and on the central Plains, a 40-mile stretch of Interstate 5 was closed north of Los Angeles after up to 3 feet of snow fell in the region, and new flooding hit northeast of Phoenix, killing one man and leaving another missing.

Various levels of winter-weather advisories and storm warnings were in effect into this morning from Arizona to Connecticut, the weather service said.

Up to 2 feet of snow was possible in Colorado, where one traffic fatality was blamed on the weather and an avalanche blocked U.S. 550 about 40 miles north of Durango, the weather service said.

The last time a similar situation seemed to be brewing — especially in the West — was in January 1950, O'Lenic said. Seattle received 21 inches of snow, killing 13 people in an extended freeze, and Sunnyvale, Calif., was the scene of an unusual tornado.

The same scenario played out in 1937, when there was record flooding in the Ohio River Valley, said Wagner, of the prediction center.

He was worried about the Ohio and Tennessee River valleys as the places where the three nasty storm systems could meet, probably with snow, thunderstorms, severe ice storms and flooding. Some of those areas already are flooded.

The converging storms are being steered by high-pressure ridges off Alaska and Florida and are part of a temporary change in world climate conditions, O'Lenic said.

Over equatorial Indonesia, east of where a tsunami hit Dec. 26, meteorologists have identified a weather-making phenomenon called the Madden-Julian Oscillation. It's producing extra-stormy weather to its east. Similar oscillations in the north Atlantic and north Pacific are changing global weather patterns. Add this year's mild El Niño — a warming of the equatorial Pacific — which is unusually far west, Redmond said.


This could prove interesting....

amber
01-05-2005, 08:55 PM
Yeah, i've been hearing about this, but not in so much detail. I heard LA (that's L.A.) is going to get dumped on, and the rain just started up again, here. I like rain... :D Kinda makes me wish i had a car, a bit, though... :o :laugh: That's weird about Sunnyvale and the tornado! :nod:

estranged4life
01-05-2005, 09:02 PM
with the ice storm we had, It took me 3 hours to drive Deb to work this afternoon...It will take longer to pick her up tonight since the roads are getting worse as the evening grows.

Being out in 21 degree weather will seem like a heatwave when the temperature bottoms out at 9 degrees...Plus I have been paranoid of the ice since I slipped and fractured my leg on Feb.7,2003 (Ya can never forget a day when your tax refund arrives, ya find out Fleetwood Mac is coming back to your area after a 20+ year absence and fracturing your tibia severely in the space of 5 hours.).

The really bad thing is, The weather-forecasters are already predicting another big ice storm next week...Man, This weather is BS!

Brian j.

sara1998
01-05-2005, 09:03 PM
http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2005-all.html

This year's January 10 extreme SuperMoon sees Luna approach to just 356,571 kilometers from Earth - the closest approach of the year, and within about 200 kilometers of the nearest pass in centuries. And it occurs less than 24 hours after the Moon reaches its extreme declination south of the celestial equator; with Jupiter in the same sign (Libra) as it was back in 1993. Another "Perfect Storm," as occurred the last time there was a SuperMoon so close to Earth? Not exactly. But as with any SuperMoon, you can expect extreme natural calamities to make plenty of headlines around the time of this unusual alignment. Severe storms with high wind and heavy precipitation (raising the risk of floods, mudslides and blizzards), higher than normal tides, and moderate to severe seismic activity (Richer 5+ quakes as well as volcanic eruptions, either of which could raise dangerous tsunamis if they occur at sea) -they're all on tap during the plus or minus three day window surrounding January 10's extreme SuperMoon alignment. And coming as it does within a week of Earth's perihelion (closest approach to the Sun) and with the full moon opposing Saturn in a T-Square configuration with Jupiter . . . well, this looks like a big one.


This is from the URL posted by DeeGeMe in the WEIRD thread about the astrological forecast for the year... this IS weird!

amber
01-05-2005, 09:04 PM
with the ice storm we had, It took me 3 hours to drive Deb to work this afternoon...It will take longer to pick her up tonight since the roads are getting worse as the evening grows.

Being out in 21 degree weather will seem like a heatwave when the temperature bottoms out at 9 degrees...Plus I have been paranoid of the ice since I slipped and fractured my leg on Feb.7,2003 (Ya can never forget a day when your tax refund arrives, ya find out Fleetwood Mac is coming back to your area after a 20+ year absence and fracturing your tibia severely in the space of 5 hours.).

The really bad thing is, The weather-forecasters are already predicting another big ice storm next week...Man, This weather is BS!

Brian j.
I can't even imagine living where there is lots of snow or icestorms. I can't believe people actually leave the house. It scares the snap outta me to drive in that weather. This may stem from 3rd grade, where my bus was stranded for hours in 2 inches of snow, and my mom went to the police, and then i was in the paper... :lol: :lol: 2 inches!

amber
01-05-2005, 09:07 PM
http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2005-all.html

This year's January 10 extreme SuperMoon sees Luna approach to just 356,571 kilometers from Earth - the closest approach of the year, and within about 200 kilometers of the nearest pass in centuries. And it occurs less than 24 hours after the Moon reaches its extreme declination south of the celestial equator; with Jupiter in the same sign (Libra) as it was back in 1993. Another "Perfect Storm," as occurred the last time there was a SuperMoon so close to Earth? Not exactly. But as with any SuperMoon, you can expect extreme natural calamities to make plenty of headlines around the time of this unusual alignment. Severe storms with high wind and heavy precipitation (raising the risk of floods, mudslides and blizzards), higher than normal tides, and moderate to severe seismic activity (Richer 5+ quakes as well as volcanic eruptions, either of which could raise dangerous tsunamis if they occur at sea) -they're all on tap during the plus or minus three day window surrounding January 10's extreme SuperMoon alignment. And coming as it does within a week of Earth's perihelion (closest approach to the Sun) and with the full moon opposing Saturn in a T-Square configuration with Jupiter . . . well, this looks like a big one.


This is from the URL posted by DeeGeMe in the WEIRD thread about the astrological forecast for the year... this IS weird!
Rock! that is so interesting! (I hadn't read it yet). But it makes sense, even elementarily, as the moon controls the tides and stuff. And that is just the simple form. I actually understood all the rest of the stuff about the T square and stuff...
Have to admit, though, i'm praying we don't have "the big one" over here. :eek: and, Tsunamis? One of my biggest fears...inexplicably... :lol:
thanks, Sara! :xoxo:

sunmaiden
01-05-2005, 09:09 PM
It's been icing all day...it still is raining ice...not hail...ice

sara1998
01-05-2005, 09:09 PM
Tsunamis? One of my biggest fears...inexplicably... :lol:
thanks, Sara! :xoxo:

Just stay away from the ocean, ok Amber?? :o

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®
01-05-2005, 09:12 PM
I was in the paper when I was a kid because of trying to catch a chipmunk. I told the doctor it ran up my leg and out my arm. :lol: It bit me on the finger trying to get it out of a woodpile. :nod: The quarantined the cat that ate it too. :rolleyes:

sunmaiden
01-05-2005, 09:13 PM
And that 18 inches that JUST melted yesterday...well...now they're saying "Spring-like tornadoes?" Interesssting

sunmaiden
01-05-2005, 09:14 PM
I was in the paper when I was a kid because of trying to catch a chipmunk. I told the doctor it ran up my leg and out my arm. :lol: It bit me on the finger trying to get it out of a woodpile. :nod: The quarantined the cat that ate it too. :rolleyes:

What???
Well I always wanted a pet chipmunk!

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®
01-05-2005, 09:16 PM
What???
Well I always wanted a pet chipmunk!I don’t think you want a wild one living in a woodpile. :shrug: :lol:

amber
01-05-2005, 09:16 PM
Just stay away from the ocean, ok Amber?? :o
well, since i live in Oakland, it's kinda hard... :shrug: we're right inside the SF bay! I can walk down a few blocks and see the water!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! RUN, AMBER, RUN!!!!!! :lol:

amber
01-05-2005, 09:17 PM
I was in the paper when I was a kid because of trying to catch a chipmunk. I told the doctor it ran up my leg and out my arm. :lol: It bit me on the finger trying to get it out of a woodpile. :nod: The quarantined the cat that ate it too. :rolleyes:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: that's as stupid as mine! lol. I was in the paper a lot as a kid, actually... :confused:

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®
01-05-2005, 09:19 PM
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: that's as stupid as mine! lol. I was in the paper a lot as a kid, actually... :confused:That’s sad. :lol:

amber
01-05-2005, 09:21 PM
That’s sad. :lol:
that you'rs was as stupid as mine? :lol: or that i was in the paper a lot? :confused:

77Rumours77
01-05-2005, 09:22 PM
It's been icing all day...it still is raining ice...not hail...ice
Yups thast what it did yesterday... It looks like we had a tornado on my street with all the down power lines and trees. Its amazing!
Yup, Just one of those rare icenados! :rolleyes:

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®
01-05-2005, 09:23 PM
that you'rs was as stupid as mine? :lol: or that i was in the paper a lot? :confused:A little of both. :nod:

amber
01-05-2005, 09:24 PM
A little of both. :nod:
aw. I was in the paper for rad accomplishments! cept for that one snowy, snowy day... :lol: :lol:

amber
01-05-2005, 09:26 PM
Yups thast what it did yesterday... It looks like we had a tornado on my street with all the down power lines and trees. Its amazing!
Yup, Just one of those rare icenados! :rolleyes:
"icenados" :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:

sara1998
01-05-2005, 09:26 PM
I was on the noon news once. I was 11, and I won a city wide poster contest for the Humane Society. :rolleyes:

amber
01-05-2005, 09:49 PM
I was on the noon news once. I was 11, and I won a city wide poster contest for the Humane Society. :rolleyes:
awww. An artist! I admire, cause i can't do... :woohoo:

sunmaiden
01-05-2005, 09:57 PM
I've also been in the paper quite a few times! One I'd like to forget...I got really mad at a comment someone made about gun-control and protested outside my school! I got a lot of praise and a lot of backlash...it's ohio-too many gun freaks

amber
01-05-2005, 09:59 PM
I've also been in the paper quite a few times! One I'd like to forget...I got really mad at a comment someone made about gun-control and protested outside my school! I got a lot of praise and a lot of backlash...it's ohio-too many gun freaks
Sweeeeet!!! Much Respect. :xoxo: Mine was for mainly sports things, and some school smarty stuff. :rolleyes:

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®
01-05-2005, 09:59 PM
I've also been in the paper quite a few times! One I'd like to forget...I got really mad at a comment someone made about gun-control and protested outside my school! I got a lot of praise and a lot of backlash...it's ohio-too many gun freaksWell if you own any and it’s raining? Make sure you oil them real good before you shoot it. :nod:

sunmaiden
01-05-2005, 10:14 PM
I know how to use one, and actually enjoy shooting targets, but now we have passed a personal possession law...and there just are too many crazy people in Ohio for my comfort

sara1998
01-06-2005, 04:51 AM
...and there just are too many crazy people in Ohio for my comfort

That explains the drivers in Ohio..... :lol: