24

[gldstwmn]

24 Members of the House Of Reprsentatives will stand tomorrow morning and ask that Ohio's electoral votes not be certified. They are: John Conyers, Jr, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Jim McDermott, Maxine Waters, Lynn Woolsey, Bernard Sanders, Eleanor H. Norton, Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Donald Payne, Anthony Weiner, Diane Watson, Barbara Lee, Elijah Cummings, Robert Wexler, Juanita Millender-McDonald, José E. Serrano, Major Owens, Danny K. Davis, Dennis J. Kucinich, Sheila Jackson Lee, William Clay, Jr. and Barney Frank.

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/final_plea_105.php

According to Representative John Conyers on this afternoon's Randi Rhodes radio show, there will be at least one member of the senate joining them. This will be an historic moment in our democracy as it has happened only once before, in 1876. Oddly enough, one of the candidates was from Ohio.
If you have access to CSPAN tomorrow and they broadcast the joint session, it will be must see tv.
According to MSNBC'S Keith Olbermann, "The Majority is also worried about the possible absence of many of its members in both houses, and the prospect that a quorum might not be achieved, leading the process into uncharted, albeit not very threatening, constitutional grounds. There is a mathematical, if not practical, chance that the ratification of the Electoral College vote could be delayed past tomorrow." :woohoo:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

We will finally have our day. It may be four years too late but we will have it. Let the squatter be put on notice. :thumbsup:

[dissention]

24 Members of the House Of Reprsentatives will stand tomorrow morning and ask that Ohio's electoral votes not be certified. They are: John Conyers, Jr, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Jim McDermott, Maxine Waters, Lynn Woolsey, Bernard Sanders, Eleanor H. Norton, Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Donald Payne, Anthony Weiner, Diane Watson, Barbara Lee, Elijah Cummings, Robert Wexler, Juanita Millender-McDonald, José E. Serrano, Major Owens, Danny K. Davis, Dennis J. Kucinich, Sheila Jackson Lee, William Clay, Jr. and Barney Frank.

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/final_plea_105.php

According to Representative John Conyers on this afternoon's Randi Rhodes radio show, there will be at least one member of the senate joining them. This will be an historic moment in our democracy as it has happened only once before, in 1876. Oddly enough, one of the candidates was from Ohio.
If you have access to CSPAN tomorrow and they broadcast the joint session, it will be must see tv.
According to MSNBC'S Keith Olbermann, "The Majority is also worried about the possible absence of many of its members in both houses, and the prospect that a quorum might not be achieved, leading the process into uncharted, albeit not very threatening, constitutional grounds. There is a mathematical, if not practical, chance that the ratification of the Electoral College vote could be delayed past tomorrow." :woohoo:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

We will finally have our day. It may be four years too late but we will have it. Let the squatter be put on notice. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

I can't wait. This should be riveting.

[sunmaiden]

Did you get that message from Michael Moore? The "This is Funny" post. I am eagerly awaiting tomorrow :blob1: :blob2: :]

[strandinthewind]

I can't wait even more to hear what the press says about it - if they pick it up and run with it.

I cannot IMAGINE Fox will not run with this as they will spin it to make the "liberals" look like whiny nutcases.

Oberman probably will pick it up as well!!!!!

[gldstwmn]

:thumbsup:

I can't wait. This should be riveting.

Yup. :nod: CSPAN had better broadcast this. I didn't know that many of them were planning on being absent tomorrow. Cowards. Here's where the rubber meets the road. BTW, I'm sure you got Kerry's email today. WTF was that? How are we going to introduce legislation when we don't even have a majority in the house and senate?

[gldstwmn]

Oberman probably will pick it up as well!!!!!

He already is darling. I linked to him in my first post. :)

[dissention]

Yup. :nod: CSPAN had better broadcast this. I didn't know that many of them were planning on being absent tomorrow. Cowards. Here's where the rubber meets the road. BTW, I'm sure you got Kerry's email today. WTF was that? How are we going to introduce legislation when we don't even have a majority in the house and senate?

Oh, CSPAN will. :nod:

Kerry's email was **** and after I read it, I unsubscribed from his mailings. I've no use for him, he sends us these things as if we all suffer from slow brain maturation. And I love how he's hightailing it out of the States. Coward!

[sunmaiden]

To me it's not just about Kerry anymore...whatever...I just want to at least TRY and stop this maniac that is ruining us. Many of my friends gave up, and that's exactly what the R's are trying to do...crush our spirit. I fight against all that is immoral and evil!

Dammit!

[strandinthewind]

He already is darling. I linked to him in my first post. :)

I know - in fact - he has really not let this drop. I commend him for having the sand!!!! :cool:

[gldstwmn]

To me it's not just about Kerry anymore...whatever...I just want to at least TRY and stop this maniac that is ruining us. Many of my friends gave up, and that's exactly what the R's are trying to do...crush our spirit. I fight against all that is immoral and evil!

Dammit!

Yes, that's is what they are counting on. We have to give our all to those who stand up for us tomorrow. You can bet that they are going to catch hell for what they are about to do.

[estranged4life]

I just have a bad feelin' more BS will be happenin' than usual on the 6th

[gldstwmn]

I just have a bad feelin' more BS will be happenin' than usual on the 6th

Bad/good or bad/ bad?

[estranged4life]

Bad/good or bad/ bad?

something bad/bad is goin' to happen...Dont ask me why, But I have a sense of dread following me round this evening.

Brian j.

[amber]

Yay, my rep is going! (Barbara Lee). I didn't read this thread before cause i thought it was about the show 24. Thanks for posting, GDW. can't wait, don't have cable, though. Might have to read/watch the news... :rolleyes: :)

[amber]

something bad/bad is goin' to happen...Dont ask me why, But I have a sense of dread following me round this evening.

Brian j.
Like, death dread, or...???

[strandinthewind]

If it is any consolation, I have been feeling that since October. Maybe it was the tsunami - but I still have it.

Then again, I could just be nuts :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

The joint session will be shown on CSPAN at 1:00 pm eastern time. :)

[estranged4life]

Like, death dread, or...???

I just have a feeling nothing will come of what happens tomorrow in regards to Ohio is all.

[gldstwmn]

I just have a feeling nothing will come of what happens tomorrow in regards to Ohio is all.

That depends on your expectations. Things of this nature take a while. Remember, it took us four years to get to where we are going to be tomorrow. Part of the reason the Republicans have been so successful with their games is that they are relentless. We can't give up either. they've had right wing hate media going for about a good 12 years now. We're just getting our counter attack started with outlets like Air America. I wish George Soros would buy a television network.

[amber]

That depends on your expectations. Things of this nature take a while. Remember, it took us four years to get to where we are going to be tomorrow. Part of the reason the Republicans have been so successful with their games is that they are relentless. We can't give up either. they've had right wing hate media going for about a good 12 years now. We're just getting our counter attack started with outlets like Air America. I wish George Soros would buy a television network.
good long term view, oh beautiful one. I agree. good lesson. for life, and for politics. :xoxo: patience and perseverence! *capricorn
Amber "need to learn that lesson, thank you" G.

[strandinthewind]

Here is Fox's take on it (which I have to say is fair and balanced :shrug: AND they are the first that I can tell - CNN, USAToday, ABC, MSNBC - nonr of them have it that I could find as opposed to Fox's front page ) :

Presidential Vote Certification Faces Objection

Wednesday, January 05, 2005

WASHINGTON — When the joint session of Congress meets Thursday to certify the Electoral College votes that gave President Bush his second term, several Democratic House members are expected to contest the results.

They may also find support from Sen. Barbara Boxer (search), D-Calif., whose participation under congressional rules would then require senators and representatives to recess to their respective chambers to debate certification.

The action would be the first of its kind in 36 years, but most likely won't add up to more than a procedural delay of the inevitable.

According to the choreography of the certification, after the House is called to order and the senators arrive from their chamber, the joint session begins with Vice President Dick Cheney (search) leading the activities.

The "certificates of vote" from each of the states will be called out and the number of votes designated for president and vice president will be reported on four separate paper tallies. At the end of the reading of all 50 states and the District of Columbia's votes, the four tellers responsible for recording the tallies will compare results and sign off on them. Cheney will then announce the totals and order them into the record.

However, as was also the case in 2001, when more than two dozen Democrats objected to the certification of Florida's disputed election, a new objection is expected this time. At least three House Democrats, Reps. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois, John Conyers of Michigan and Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio, and possibly several others, are expected to object to the certification of Ohio's 20 Electoral College votes for Bush alleging voting irregularities in the decisive swing state.

If a Senate member also offers an objection, the House and Senate must then withdraw to their chambers so each body can discuss objections made on each state's certification. The discussion can last up to two hours for each state after which time each chamber votes separately on each objection. The two bodies would then return to the joint session to report their respective actions on the objections.

Boxer and several other senators had been approached by the House Democrats to launch the corresponding objection from the Senate that would force the recess of the joint session. An aide to Boxer told FOX News that the two-term senator may join the Democratic representatives or "may very well end up doing something short of it. What that means, I'm not sure yet."

Boxer apparently is not the only senator who was approached to cast an objection, her spokeswoman said, but she does appear to be the only senator to state publicly that she is considering contesting the results. According to informed sources, House Democrats also approached newly elected Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (search) to join the objection. Those sources said Obama has no plans to do so.

Sen. John Kerry, who lost the election to Bush and is currently overseas, said in a letter sent to supporters Wednesday he would not take part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors because, despite widespread reports of voting irregularities, his legal team had "found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

Kerry said he planned to introduce election reform legislation and push for congressional hearings on the voting irregularities.

Asked about the political wisdom of deciding to join House members in contesting the results, the Boxer aide said, "These are credible folks in the House who say there are real problems out there. They need to shine the light on this. So they made an appeal to the senator for the right to shine the light on it. There are folks who think this is a not a fruitful exercise, because even the results are challenged, it still may not change the outcome, but for two hours, this might at least be worth discussing."

Boxer's consideration of an objection apparently has stirred the pot with new Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who according to several sources was very upset with the proposal and tried to prevent a leak of the senator's plan from getting out.

Republicans say Boxer and a handful of leftwing house liberals are grandstanding. One Democratic leadership source also criticized Boxer, suggesting, "It would not be preferable or her to object."

Another Democratic leadership aide told FOX News that there is "not going to be a vote on this," referring to any objections, and explained that instead, Boxer may go the floor to talk about the voting problems that occurred in 2004.

FOX News' Carl Cameron, Julie Asher and Jim Mills and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143452,00.html

[strandinthewind]

That depends on your expectations. Things of this nature take a while. Remember, it took us four years to get to where we are going to be tomorrow. Part of the reason the Republicans have been so successful with their games is that they are relentless. We can't give up either. they've had right wing hate media going for about a good 12 years now. We're just getting our counter attack started with outlets like Air America. I wish George Soros would buy a television network.

That slimebag Hannity was lambasting Soros tonight because he has not made his donations to the tsunami effort public. I almost called him and said that he never had that idea (assuming he has them :rolleyes: ) before W made his a week later :mad:

[gldstwmn]

good long term view, oh beautiful one. I agree. good lesson. for life, and for politics. :xoxo: patience and perseverence! *capricorn
Amber "need to learn that lesson, thank you" G.

So sweet. :xoxo: You can watch the show tomorrow on your computer at www.cspan.org. It starts at 10:00 am your time. ;)

[gldstwmn]

Jason, do you remember this street and the view?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/pacalo/kerrycrowd1.jpg">

[amber]

So sweet. :xoxo: You can watch the show tomorrow on your computer at www.cspan.org. It starts at 10:00 am your time. ;)
oh. 10 am? that's when i'm in the midst of getting ready for, then leaving for, work! :mad:
well, to go along with my usual philosophy..."stupid work! ruins all my plans!" :lol:
thank you, though, i have a few free moments in there, if i get up early enough! *will put address on my favs.*

[amber]

Jason, do you remember this street and the view?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/pacalo/kerrycrowd1.jpg">
holy banoli! what was that? how awesome! You guys were there? man... :shocked:

[strandinthewind]

Jason, do you remember this street and the view?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/pacalo/kerrycrowd1.jpg">

kind of :laugh: Actually, it looks like the view from this incredible room I had there once. But, explain what you mean - had I been drinking :laugh:

Actually - is that Madison? The capitol there looks so familiar to the U.S. Capitol and the building in that pic. appears not to the the U.S. captial - so, I am betting it is MADISON, WI - if not, it was a good guess :laugh: :wavey:

[estranged4life]

That depends on your expectations. Things of this nature take a while. Remember, it took us four years to get to where we are going to be tomorrow. Part of the reason the Republicans have been so successful with their games is that they are relentless. We can't give up either. they've had right wing hate media going for about a good 12 years now. We're just getting our counter attack started with outlets like Air America. I wish George Soros would buy a television network.

I feel 'the powers at be' (Wanna guess who?) will find a way to screw this up tomorrow/today, Which if that happens wont be that surprising to me.

[pianogirl04]

If it is any consolation, I have been feeling that since October. Maybe it was the tsunami - but I still have it.

Then again, I could just be nuts :laugh:

I've had a feeling like this for about a week and a half, and all of a sudden it's gone... calm before the storm. Happens every time.

[strandinthewind]

I've had a feeling like this for about a week and a half, and all of a sudden it's gone... calm before the storm. Happens every time.

terrifying isn't it :eek:

[gldstwmn]

Actually - is that Madison? The capitol there looks so familiar to the U.S. Capitol and the building in that pic. appears not to the the U.S. captial - so, I am betting it is MADISON, WI - if not, it was a good guess :laugh: :wavey:

Yes, it's Madison. :)

[SuzeQuze]

He already is darling. I linked to him in my first post. :)

Yup, Stephanie Miller wants to have his children! :lol:

I don't really watch Coundown and tried to the other nite but someone else was on and I didn't like her tone so I tuned out.

Would some PRETTY PLEASE tape this? I really want to see it and will trade for it or whatever is necessary. PM me if you can do this. Thanks!

[gldstwmn]

holy banoli! what was that? how awesome! You guys were there? man... :shocked:

It's Madison, WI. Strand and I were there last spring, not at the rally though.

[SuzeQuze]

Yes, that's is what they are counting on. We have to give our all to those who stand up for us tomorrow. You can bet that they are going to catch hell for what they are about to do.

Yes, at the very least we should send them Thank You cards. Maybe flowers, candy? Hehe. You're right, we really need to rally around them.

[estranged4life]

It's Madison, WI. Strand and I were there last spring, not at the rally though.

"some concert" taking place there on May 8th...But my memory of "who" it was that played is hazy at best! :shrug: :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Yup, Stephanie Miller wants to have his children! :lol:

I don't really watch Coundown and tried to the other nite but someone else was on and I didn't like her tone so I tuned out.

Would some PRETTY PLEASE tape this? I really want to see it and will trade for it or whatever is necessary. PM me if you can do this. Thanks!

I'll see if I can tape it for you this evening. Let me see if I have any blank tapes. :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Yes, at the very least we should send them Thank You cards. Maybe flowers, candy? Hehe. You're right, we really need to rally around them.

For Obama to stand up...that is just incredible. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

"some concert" taking place there on May 8th...But my memory of "who" it was that played is hazy at best! :shrug: :lol:

Hmmmm. :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

I'll see if I can tape it for you this evening. Let me see if I have any blank tapes. :wavey:

Hey, sorry, I meant the "stand" today, not Countdown. If anyone is home and can tape it. Thanks gldstwmn :)

[SuzeQuze]

For Obama to stand up...that is just incredible. :nod:

Absolutely, even the liberal talk shows didn't expect him to stand being a new senator and all.

[estranged4life]

Hey, sorry, I meant the "stand" today, not Countdown. If anyone is home and can tape it. Thanks gldstwmn :)

supposed to happen? I could record it onto a DVD-R if I knew how long it would last.

I'm at home, And to alter a John Lennon lyric "I'm just sitting here watching the ROOM spin round and round" (ie-I'm very sick today!)

[SuzeQuze]

supposed to happen? I could record it onto a DVD-R if I knew how long it would last.

I think that they only have 2 hours, them's the rules, so it should be from 1 to 3 eastern time.

[estranged4life]

I think that they only have 2 hours, them's the rules, so it should be from 1 to 3 eastern time.

that's 12pm to 2pm for us CST folk...Sure, I have nuthin else to do today except possibly keel over, Maybe politicians will make it somewhat more painless by killing my grey matter :lol:

By the way, Which C-Span will this be on? I have 2 of 'em...Or will both show it since it seems to be a big story in the making kinda thing?

[SuzeQuze]

that's 12pm to 2pm for us CST folk...Sure, I have nuthin else to do today except possibly keel over, Maybe politicians will make it somewhat more painless by killing my grey matter :lol:

By the way, Which C-Span will this be on? I have 2 of 'em...Or will both show it since it seems to be a big story in the making kinda thing?

Well, I went to C-Span.org and this is what I found:

Thursday, January 6
Counting of Electoral College Votes
On C-SPAN at 1pm ET

I'm not sure which channel this means. Maybe your local cable will have it listed?

[gldstwmn]

Hey, sorry, I meant the "stand" today, not Countdown. If anyone is home and can tape it. Thanks gldstwmn :)

I'll see if I can TiVo it and tape it later.

[estranged4life]

Well, I went to C-Span.org and this is what I found:

Thursday, January 6
Counting of Electoral College Votes
On C-SPAN at 1pm ET

I'm not sure which channel this means. Maybe your local cable will have it listed?

I already have it set to record (CSPAN 2 is showing the Sena-tards, CSPAN1 is showing the House of Repre-tards)...Now If I don't fall over dead all will be well in the world :nod:

[SuzeQuze]

I already have it set to record (CSPAN 2 is showing the Sena-tards, CSPAN1 is showing the House of Repre-tards)...Now If I don't fall over dead all will be well in the world :nod:

Sweet! You rock. You, and the five metal heads, hehe. :D

[estranged4life]

Sweet! You rock. You, and the five metal heads, hehe. :D

4 metalhead kittens now (RIP Butters)

[SuzeQuze]

4 metalhead kittens now (RIP Butters)

Oh I'm sorry :(

[estranged4life]

I recorded the wrong CSPAN thanks to the putz who said the Senate was also to be shown on CSPAN instead of CSPAN2...My bad, Still the House is very interesting!