Bush Monkey Picture Shown on Giant NY Billboard

[gldstwmn]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041221/us_nm/arts_bush_monkeys_dc_1

U.S. National - Reuters

Bush Monkey Picture Shown on Giant NY Billboard

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A portrait of President Bush using monkeys to form his image that was banished from a New York art show last week amid charges of censorship was projected on a giant billboard in Manhattan on Tuesday.

"Bush Monkeys," a small acrylic on canvas by Chris Savido, created the stir last week at the Chelsea Market public space, leading the market's managers to close down the 60-piece show.

Animal Magazine, a quarterly arts publication that had organized the month-long show, said anonymous donors had paid for the picture to be posted on a giant digital billboard over the entrance to the Holland Tunnel, used by thousands of commuters traveling between Manhattan and New Jersey.

The original picture will be auctioned on eBay, with part of the proceeds donated to parents of U.S. soldiers wishing to supply their sons and daughters with body armor in Iraq.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld came under fire from soldiers in Kuwait earlier this month who complained that they had to use scrap metal to armor their vehicles.

"Many of my friends are over in Iraq," Savido said in a statement.

The painting offers a likeness of Bush but the image is made up of monkeys swimming in a marsh. It was originally priced at $3,500 in the show's catalog.

Organizers expect more than 400,000 drivers to see the billboard each day for the next month.

[strandinthewind]

Fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ontheEdgeof17]

It may be trying to prove a point or what-not, but this is getting out of hand. I don't like Bush,either but he IS our President, whether we like it or not. It's time to grow up and fight like adults. We need to be the better man in the situation.

[strandinthewind]

It may be trying to prove a point or what-not, but this is getting out of hand. I don't like Bush,either but he IS our President, whether we like it or not. It's time to grow up and fight like an adult. We need to be the better man in the situation.

I agree - but the reason I thought it was great that they showed the pic. was due to the censorship - nothing else!!! :cool:

EDIT: I agree we should rally behind our country and he, unfortunately, is the leader. So, I think speaking out against him and his insane, bigoted, and murderous policies is not so much a disrespect for him as it is the horrible job he is doing, which deserves NO respect IMO. I mean if I met the guy, I would maintain proper decorum - but I would and will continue to speak out against his policies :cool:

Oooooo - another policital debate thread!!!!!!! :eek:

[ryan8472]

It may be trying to prove a point or what-not, but this is getting out of hand. I don't like Bush,either but he IS our President, whether we like it or not. It's time to grow up and fight like an adult. We need to be the better man in the situation.

I totally agree, Curtis. But it sure is funny :nod: :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I mean if I met the guy, I would maintain proper decorum - but I would and will continue to speak out against his policies :cool:That's very good of you, 'cause I'm not sure I could do that. I often fantasize about all the choice words I would have if I ever encountered him.
:blob1: :blob2:

Hillary

[EnchantedSLN]

Hey, it's art. If Clear Channel can erect nazi-esque "Our Leader." billboards all over the south, why not this? Good for them. Hell, I'd have gone a step further and made it the painting that recently appeared on the cover of the Village Voice.

[strandinthewind]

That's very good of you, 'cause I'm not sure I could do that. I often fantasize about all the choice words I would have if I ever encountered him.
:blob1: :blob2:

Hillary

I have met MANY people I am not too fond of - usually in a social setting like a party. I think if I am in someone else's party, home, etc., it would be impolite of me to go into attack mode. So, usually the discourse is "May I present blah blah" and I say "Well Hello" and nothing more :laugh: Maybe it was the way I was reared but, although I probably would like to :laugh: - I would never unless provoked - and even then I doubt it :laugh: I mean if I know a certain person is going to be there and I know I cannot control myself - I will not go :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

I have met MANY people I am not too fond of - usually in a social setting like a party. I think if I am in someone else's party, home, etc., it would be impolite of me to go into attack mode. So, usually the discourse is "May I present blah blah" and I say "Well Hello" and nothing more :laugh: Maybe it was the way I was reared but, although I probably would like to :laugh: - I would never unless provoked - and even then I doubt it :laugh: I mean if I know a certain person is going to be there and I know I cannot control myself - I will not go :shrug:Well, I really am like you in that sense. I just make an exception for Dubya. But, because of that, I would probably just make myself scarce so I wouldn't have the opportunity to speak my mind, as you were saying.

Hillary

[estranged4life]

"George...
George...
George of the Jungle...
Watch out for that tree..."

:thumbsup:

Brian j.

[strandinthewind]

Well, I really am like you in that sense. I just make an exception for Dubya. But, because of that, I would probably just make myself scarce so I wouldn't have the opportunity to speak my mind, as you were saying.

Hillary

Ahhhhhh - we Louisianians were reared correctly!!! :nod: :laugh: :wavey:

[The Tower]

It may be trying to prove a point or what-not, but this is getting out of hand. I don't like Bush,either but he IS our President, whether we like it or not. It's time to grow up and fight like adults. We need to be the better man in the situation.

Not a chance in hell!!!

He isn't my president. A paramecium is a better man than ****tard Dubya. There isn't anything I can do to lower myself to his level. His evil knows no bounds and anything that will point that out sounds good to me.

[macfanken]

Not a chance in hell!!!

He isn't my president. A paramecium is a better man than ****tard Dubya. There isn't anything I can do to lower myself to his level. His evil knows no bounds and anything that will point that out sounds good to me.


What he said! :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Not a chance in hell!!!

He isn't my president. A paramecium is a better man than ****tard Dubya. There isn't anything I can do to lower myself to his level. His evil knows no bounds and anything that will point that out sounds good to me.

:laugh: :laugh: I was going to speculate your answer earlier - I would have been close :laugh:

Sadly, he is the American President, which means technically and factually he is our Pres. - but I am not so sure he is in anything but in the titular sense because he sure as hell represents NOTHING I believe in :mad:

[strandinthewind]

"George...
George...
George of the Jungle...
Watch out for that tree..."

:thumbsup:

Brian j.

LMAO - I am envisioning a loin cloth and Laura with a bone as a bow in her hair - Poor Barney (the ONLY good thing about the White House) as Dino :eek:

[GateandGarden]

Not a chance in hell!!!

He isn't my president. A paramecium is a better man than ****tard Dubya. There isn't anything I can do to lower myself to his level. His evil knows no bounds and anything that will point that out sounds good to me.That's exactly how I feel, too. He may technically be the president, but he's not my president. The last election was the first one I ever voted in, and I like to continuously point out that I didn't vote for him.

Hillary

[strandinthewind]

That's exactly how I feel, too. He may technically be the president, but he's not my president. The last election was the first one I ever voted in, and I like to continuously point out that I didn't vote for him.

Hillary

That is what I just tried to say - only you said it WAY better :cool: I mean I used the word "titular" :eek: :laugh: :rolleyes:

[GateandGarden]

That is what I just tried to say - only you said it WAY better :cool: I mean I used the word "titular" :eek: :laugh: :rolleyes:Nothing at all wrong with titular. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Nothing at all wrong with titular. :laugh:

LOL - I used it as an insult in court the other day and it has been stuck in my head ever since :laugh:

[estranged4life]

LMAO - I am envisioning a loin cloth and Laura with a bone as a bow in her hair - Poor Barney (the ONLY good thing about the White House) as Dino :eek:

Barney's poo is the only intelligent thing currently in the White House besides Barney :rolleyes:

Brian "New, from Stupid spoiled skanky hoe's home video, "The Bush twins" in Skank girls gone wild...Watch 'em Binge drink like a chip off the ol' Bush block" j.

[amber]

It may be trying to prove a point or what-not, but this is getting out of hand. I don't like Bush,either but he IS our President, whether we like it or not. It's time to grow up and fight like adults. We need to be the better man in the situation.
I completely disagree. I think this country is too complacent. It's ridiculous to stand behind a liar, thief, warmonger, etc,. We should be calling him out for his heinous misdeeds at every opportunity. That man is supposed to lead our country and do what's best. It is our duty as citizens to make sure that happens. :wavey: to do otherwise is to not be a good American.

[GateandGarden]

I completely disagree. I think this country is too complacent. It's ridiculous to stand behind a liar, thief, warmonger, etc,. We should be calling him out for his heinous misdeeds at every opportunity. That man is supposed to lead our country and do what's best. It is our duty as citizens to make sure that happens. :wavey: to do otherwise is to not be a good American.I think Curtis was critcizing the manner of the attack, not the fact that he was being attacked, if that makes sense. :laugh: I don't think he has any problems with us criticizing the president, so long as we do it in a more intelligent way than depicting him as a monkey on a billboard for laughs. I say bring on all the criticism, even the immature kind! :D But I still think he has a valid argument because we ought to make a point of expressing why we hate him so much, not because he happens to resemble a monkey but because of his policies. Not that it would do us any good. People still voted him in for four more. :rolleyes:

Hillary

[amber]

I think Curtis was critcizing the manner of the attack, not the fact that he was being attacked, if that makes sense. :laugh: I don't think he has any problems with us criticizing the president, so long as we do it in a more intelligent way than depicting him as a monkey on a billboard for laughs. I say bring on all the criticism, even the immature kind! :D But I still think he has a valid argument because we ought to make a point of expressing why we hate him so much, not because he happens to resemble a monkey but because of his policies. Not that it would do us any good. People still voted him in for four more. :rolleyes:

Hillary
yeah, i thought about that. After i posted, of course. But although there are more intelligent ways to criticize someone, sometimes art is a powerful tool to achieve such ends, as well. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

It may be trying to prove a point or what-not, but this is getting out of hand. I don't like Bush,either but he IS our President, whether we like it or not. It's time to grow up and fight like adults. We need to be the better man in the situation.

Make sure you tell them that when they come for you honey. ;) :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

I mean if I met the guy, I would maintain proper decorum



No one gets near him without a big fat sack of cash. I wouldn't shake his hand. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

I completely disagree. I think this country is too complacent. It's ridiculous to stand behind a liar, thief, warmonger, etc,. We should be calling him out for his heinous misdeeds at every opportunity. That man is supposed to lead our country and do what's best. It is our duty as citizens to make sure that happens. :wavey: to do otherwise is to not be a good American.

Amber nails it again. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

People still voted him in for four more.
Hillary

Not really.

[Johnny Stew]

I completely disagree. I think this country is too complacent. It's ridiculous to stand behind a liar, thief, warmonger, etc,. We should be calling him out for his heinous misdeeds at every opportunity. That man is supposed to lead our country and do what's best. It is our duty as citizens to make sure that happens. :wavey: to do otherwise is to not be a good American.

I can't speak for Curtis (and, man, the tongues would sure be wagging if I did! :laugh: ), but I don't think he was implying that we should just sit back and take it... I think he simply meant that we should voice our displeasure, and try to inact positive changes, in more mature ways than chimp comparisons, etc.

A point that I definitely agree with. (Though I must admit I do find the chimp comparisons pretty dang funny! :o )

[amber]

I can't speak for Curtis (and, man, the tongues would sure be wagging if I did! :laugh: ), but I don't think he was implying that we should just sit back and take it... I think he simply meant that we should voice our displeasure, and try to inact positive changes, in more mature ways than chimp comparisons, etc.

A point that I definitely agree with. (Though I must admit I do find the chimp comparisons pretty dang funny! :o )
You're right. And your point was taken the first time around when it was called "Hillary's post" :lol: :lol: sorry, just kidding. :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

No one gets near him without a big fat sack of cash.

and that makes him different from any other politician/President how . . . :laugh: :wavey: :laugh: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

Not really.


Though I readily admit there were enough errors and lies in Ohio and Florida to constitute R fraud, I still do not think anyone has found over three million miscast votes that were 100% supposed to be cast for Kerry and that Kerry kept all of his votes (e.g. none were miscast for him due to malfeasance or simple irregularities) ? Thus, despite this IMO fraud, for which someone should atone, I cannot conclude Kerry would have won even if it were all straightenend out (and it should be mind you).

Trust me when I say as a member of the conspiracy theorist society :cool: (levity here) I think it sucks and I think the election was tinkered with, but I also think that despite the clear malfeasance, esp. in Ohio, I think existed on both sides (seemingly no one is looking too hard at the alleged D malfeasance) and other errors, the people elected W - and for that I think they are IDIOTS who will latch onto anything their church tells them to latch on to :mad: Thus, I gotta conclude we the people on the whole elected this idiot, bigoted, warmonger in for four more years. I cannot believe people are dumb enough to do that, but they did.

I guess maybe I have moved on from denial, to anger, to acceptance :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

:laugh: :laugh: I was going to speculate your answer earlier - I would have been close :laugh:

Sadly, he is the American President, which means technically and factually he is our Pres. - but I am not so sure he is in anything but in the titular sense because he sure as hell represents NOTHING I believe in :mad:

The painting is art and it was censored so the backers had to find some way to display it since it was pulled. Of course they're going to want to kick it up a notch after being snuffed out in such a way. Besides, the President said in Time that he welcomes criticism, he gets something out of it. Also, he needs to know what people think of him anyway since it's his responsiblity to serve the people. Although he seems to think it is to rule the people but whatever.

Thank God for art, we need it to express things that maybe "well-reared" people do not want to say.

[gldstwmn]

Although he seems to think it is to rule the people but whatever.
Thank God for art, we need it to express things that maybe "well-reared" people do not want to say.

That's right honey. The people in the original thirteen didn't take any **** from the King George III and they're not about to tolerate any from some half wit named George who thinks he's king.

[SuzeQuze]

That's right honey. The people in the original thirteen didn't take any **** from the King George III and they're not about to tolerate any from some half wit named George who thinks he's king.

Right on! He's one scary ____. Check this one out, he doesn't want to "negotiate with myself". Wha???

http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2004/12/22/no_negotiating_with_myself_for_bush/

[gldstwmn]

Right on! He's one scary ____. Check this one out, he doesn't want to "negotiate with myself". Wha???

http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2004/12/22/no_negotiating_with_myself_for_bush/

He had another quote the other day where he said "I don't have much time left." I'm thinking let's hope so. :lol:

[estranged4life]

He had another quote the other day where he said "I don't have much time left." I'm thinking let's hope so. :lol:

I dont wanna see, Or even comprehend a possible President Cheney...Who will then change the country's name to the United States of Hella-Burton (aka United State of Confusion)!!!

Brian j.

[gldstwmn]

I dont wanna see, Or even comprehend a possible President Cheney...Who will then change the country's name to the United States of Hella-Burton (aka United State of Confusion)!!!

Brian j.

I'm hoping for some kind of Nixon/Agnew redux. :woohoo:

[estranged4life]

I'm hoping for some kind of Nixon/Agnew redux. :woohoo:

I want to have "Star Trek" technology and beam 'em the hell outta here :thumbsup:

Brian "Ah Captain...The transporter, It be a pile of ****" j.

[strandinthewind]

Thank God for art, we need it to express things that maybe "well-reared" people do not want to say.

That is a little unfair - many of these "well reared" people privately fund such artists :shrug:

[SuzeQuze]

That is a little unfair - many of these "well reared" people privately fund such artists :shrug:

If someone were financing this artist and not appreciating the content of his art then the artist would need another financier.

What I meant by my "well reared" comment was civilized people don't want to necessarily call the president out (I wasn't making fun of well raised people). But artists can express uncivilized things because it is their job to translate what is in their hearts into a creation to share.

Some folks are really afraid of this president's strange methods and decisions but won't or don't know how to publicly express it. The artist has every right to do this and I am glad he did because he has made a point and gotten attention. No way would I think that he shouldn't even if it is shocking or controversial.

IMO the American people have been asleep while this president began an unjust war, slowly erodes civil liberties, and recklessly spends our hard earned tax dollars. Maybe some people need to be shocked a little to wake up.

[strandinthewind]

If someone were financing this artist and not appreciating the content of his art then the artist would need another financier.

What I meant by my "well reared" comment was civilized people don't want to necessarily call the president out (I wasn't making fun of well raised people). But artists can express uncivilized things because it is their job to translate what is in their hearts into a creation to share.

Some folks are really afraid of this president's strange methods and decisions but won't or don't know how to publicly express it. The artist has every right to do this and I am glad he did because he has made a point and gotten attention. No way would I think that he shouldn't even if it is shocking or controversial.

IMO the American people have been asleep while this president began an unjust war, slowly erodes civil liberties, and recklessly spends our hard earned tax dollars. Maybe some people need to be shocked a little to wake up.

Touche' :laugh:

I have been flying all day in this hellacious weather - so I am a little slow on the uptake :laugh: :cool:

[amber]

He had another quote the other day where he said "I don't have much time left." I'm thinking let's hope so. :lol:
If you read the newscope i posted about the 20 year presidential death cycle, he may be right. Ronald Reagan ruined it by avoiding the assassination attempt, but other than that, it's never failed! ;)

[strandinthewind]

I'm hoping for some kind of Nixon/Agnew redux. :woohoo:


Ahhhhhh Agnew :eek:

O actually liked Nixon in a sort of lesser of many evils kind of way - I liked him because he ended the Vietnam War and for hius foreign policies. But, even with that - he certainly was no birthday cake - none of them are :mad: :laugh: As for Agnew - bless his heart :laugh:

[amber]

Amber nails it again. :thumbsup:
*Ahem* I believe this debate was settled with this comment? :laugh: :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

Touche' :laugh:

I have been flying all day in this hellacious weather - so I am a little slow on the uptake :laugh: :cool:

I would never make fun of someone "well reared" a fine *ss is always something to be revered!!! (felt the need for some levity)
:lol: :laugh: :laugh: :lol:

Where are you flying? It was so mild here in Boston, nearly tropical after the single digits we had earlier this week.

[strandinthewind]

I would never make fun of someone "well reared" a fine *ss is always something to be revered!!! (felt the need for some levity)
:lol: :laugh: :laugh: :lol:

Where are you flying? It was so mild here in Boston, nearly tropical after the single digits we had earlier this week.

LOL- I love that!!!!!

I am home with my VERY Republican parents and their newly computer autographed Christmas Card from the Bushes :eek:

Thankfully, I brought one of my Scotties cuz "IIIIIIIII neeedd someone to help me make it though the night!!!: :cool: :laugh:

[amber]

LOL- I love that!!!!!

I am home with my VERY Republican parents and their newly computer autographed Christmas Card from the Bushes :eek:

Thankfully, I brought one of my Scotties cuz "IIIIIIIII neeedd someone to help me make it though the night!!!: :cool: :laugh:
"you could be my silver dog...black blue, colors flashin'...I would be your only owner...your shining parent deflector, repub crashin...."

[strandinthewind]

"you could be my silver dog...black blue, colors flashin'...I would be your only owner...your shining parent deflector, repub crashin...."

Yep!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

Yep!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:thumbsup:
I'm visiting my parents soonly, and i swear, they pay more attention to that dog. And now they have a new guest dog they saved :rolleyes: Luckily, I love dogs.
"Oh, we're so happy you finally visited! have you seen what the dog can do? You should be more like the dog!" :lol:
I think, me being an only child, they figure that now, their dog has learned more cool tricks from them then i ever will... :laugh:
(to be fair, my mom is a sag, and an excellent, excellent dog trainer. Her dog can almost talk, she's so good)

[SuzeQuze]

LOL- I love that!!!!!

I am home with my VERY Republican parents and their newly computer autographed Christmas Card from the Bushes :eek:

Thankfully, I brought one of my Scotties cuz "IIIIIIIII neeedd someone to help me make it though the night!!!: :cool: :laugh:

Awww, cute. I loved seeing those pics of Barney. Is Bush still Republican? Because I thought some Republicans were beginning to become very wary of him. Not your 'rents? Dammit.

I am bringing Mufasa to my Dad's on Friday. Pets rule! Have a wonderful time with your family. Peace. :angel: Love. :xoxo: And happiness. :D

[amber]

Awww, cute. I loved seeing those pics of Barney. Is Bush still Republican? Because I thought some Republicans were beginning to become very wary of him. Not your 'rents? Dammit.

I am bringing Mufasa to my Dad's on Friday. Pets rule! Have a wonderful time with your family. Peace. :angel: Love. :xoxo: And happiness. :D
I.Can't.Believe. You are actually transporting a cat, to another house, in hopes that said cat will bring you comfort and be social. My guess? Hide in the corner (or under something) and be appalled that you made it ride in the car, meet strangers, and generally do anything besides what it wants to do.
Just judging from every cat i've ever known in my life. Can you say...dancing frog from the buggs bunny cartoon? :eek:
I wish you luck, though, and if your cat is stoked...you must breed him and i want a kitten. :laugh: :thumbsup:

[SuzeQuze]

I.Can't.Believe. You are actually transporting a cat, to another house, in hopes that said cat will bring you comfort and be social. My guess? Hide in the corner (or under something) and be appalled that you made it ride in the car, meet strangers, and generally do anything besides what it wants to do.
Just judging from every cat i've ever known in my life. Can you say...dancing frog from the buggs bunny cartoon? :eek:
I wish you luck, though, and if your cat is stoked...you must breed him and i want a kitten. :laugh: :thumbsup:

He's already neutered but maybe I can clone him! He is very brave and he will have a ball I am sure of it. When he went up to Gramma's he was quite the social butterfly and had himself a ball. He isn't too crazy about the car but he is fairly used to it and he doesn't cry or get too too worked up. He is seriously a b*llsy cat! :D

[strandinthewind]

Awww, cute. I loved seeing those pics of Barney. Is Bush still Republican? Because I thought some Republicans were beginning to become very wary of him. Not your 'rents? Dammit.

I am bringing Mufasa to my Dad's on Friday. Pets rule! Have a wonderful time with your family. Peace. :angel: Love. :xoxo: And happiness. :D

Bush is so far from a Republican it is amazing. he is fiscally irresponsible and he wants and has created the largest govt. ever and has granted it the most intrusion in our private lives in the history of the U.S. JERK! :eek:

[gldstwmn]

If you read the newscope i posted about the 20 year presidential death cycle, he may be right. Ronald Reagan ruined it by avoiding the assassination attempt, but other than that, it's never failed! ;)

Well, they say Reagan was never really Reagan again after the shooting. That's when he gave the go ahead for Iran Contra. Of course they may just be trying to blame it on his Alzheimer's. :shrug:

[amber]

He's already neutered but maybe I can clone him! He is very brave and he will have a ball I am sure of it. When he went up to Gramma's he was quite the social butterfly and had himself a ball. He isn't too crazy about the car but he is fairly used to it and he doesn't cry or get too too worked up. He is seriously a b*llsy cat! :D
oh! amazing! that's awesome!

[amber]

LOL- I love that!!!!!

I am home with my VERY Republican parents and their newly computer autographed Christmas Card from the Bushes :eek:

Thankfully, I brought one of my Scotties cuz "IIIIIIIII neeedd someone to help me make it though the night!!!: :cool: :laugh:
It could be worse. My parents don't drink :shocked: however, they do smoke (but they think i don't) and partake in scooby snackage.(which i can do with them) :thumbsup:

[amber]

Well, they say Reagan was never really Reagan again after the shooting. That's when he gave the go ahead for Iran Contra. Of course they may just be trying to blame it on his Alzheimer's. :shrug:
hmmm, interesting thought. Not as interesting as the astrological angle of the cycle, but still interesting. :lol: (JK, dear) And i wonder, how can they tell when reagan wasn't really reagan? I never thought reagan was human, let alone himself... :laugh: :shocked: sorry, i just think he's the biggest tool/pod president evah. :shrug: Yeah, by all means, blame alzheimers if you gotta. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

hmmm, interesting thought. Not as interesting as the astrological angle of the cycle, but still interesting. :lol: (JK, dear) And i wonder, how can they tell when reagan wasn't really reagan? I never thought reagan was human, let alone himself... :laugh: :shocked: sorry, i just think he's the biggest tool/pod president evah. :shrug: Yeah, by all means, blame alzheimers if you gotta. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It was widely known, even outside of the beltway, that the Alzheimer's had kicked in by the beginning year or so of his second term. have you ever seen the outtakes - my personal fav. being "let's bomb russia" or something like that :eek: :laugh: I have always thought the shooting caused perhapes pinpoint strokes that accelerated the Alzheimers in some way or at least caused him to be, if you will, duller mentally until the Alzheimer's kicked in.

Food for Thought :cool:

[gldstwmn]

hmmm, interesting thought. Not as interesting as the astrological angle of the cycle, but still interesting. :lol: (JK, dear) And i wonder, how can they tell when reagan wasn't really reagan? I never thought reagan was human, let alone himself... :laugh: :shocked: sorry, i just think he's the biggest tool/pod president evah. :shrug: Yeah, by all means, blame alzheimers if you gotta. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Apparently there came a point after the shooting where there were long pauses in his speech or he began reciting old movie scripts. If you look at his presidency, you'll see that as it progresses, the public saw less and less of him.

[amber]

It was widely known, even outside of the beltway, that the Alzheimer's had kicked in by the beginning year or so of his second term. have you ever seen the outtakes - my personal fav. being "let's bomb russia" or something like that :eek: :laugh: I have always thought the shooting caused perhapes pinpoint strokes that accelerated the Alzheimers in some way or at least caused him to be, if you will, duller mentally until the Alzheimer's kicked in.

Food for Thought :cool:
I believe it. But you guys should "food for thought" my newscope on presidential death cycles.
Amber "logic and truth comes in many forms" g.

[amber]

Apparently there came a point after the shooting where there were long pauses in his speech or he began reciting old movie scripts. If you look at his presidency, you'll see that as it progresses, the public saw less and less of him.
That's true. Unfortunately he didn't stop HAVING CONTROL OVER THE FREE WORLD at that point. Oh, well. :mad:

[strandinthewind]

That's true. Unfortunately he didn't stop HAVING CONTROL OVER THE FREE WORLD at that point. Oh, well. :mad:

It is also widely accepted that RR was not in control of things soon into his second term. The question then became who was. I think it was Bush I and it was that was over Nancy's objection. Many think it was other people some outside the cabinet. I guess no one knows for sure though. Political disagreements amongst the pundits aside (no D's in Congress really hated RR as much as the lay people do and did), RR's two terms were fascinating from so many other angles :cool:

[SuzeQuze]

It is also widely accepted that RR was not in control of things soon into his second term. The question then became who was. I think it was Bush I and it was that was over Nancy's objection. Many think it was other people some outside the cabinet. I guess no one knows for sure though. Political disagreements amongst the pundits aside (no D's in Congress really hated RR as much as the lay people do and did), RR's two terms were fascinating from so many other angles :cool:

Sadly I do not know anything about Reagan's presidency other than the glaring things like Iran/Contra, he was shot, Nancy wore red, and other very obvious stuff. I did not become so interested politically until this president. Plus I was pretty young when R was pres. Is there a book you would recommend for me to read to get caught up?

I do remember that my parents were shocked he was the candidate because he was an actor. They thought he was a puppet then, just acting and they thought people would see through that. They voted for Carter. I do remember that first election well because kids in school were saying they thought Reagan was cute and that was why he should be pres. Well, they were 12 so you couldn't really blame them but some adults were voting for him for the same reason!

[gldstwmn]

Sadly I do not know anything about Reagan's presidency other than the glaring things like Iran/Contra, he was shot, Nancy wore red, and other very obvious stuff. I did not become so interested politically until this president. Plus I was pretty young when R was pres. Is there a book you would recommend for me to read to get caught up?



There are a lot of them but if you want to read a fun page turner, read Kitty Kelley's Nancy Reagan The Unauthorized Biography. :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

There are a lot of them but if you want to read a fun page turner, read Kitty Kelley's Nancy Reagan The Unauthorized Biography. :thumbsup:

Yep - and even if 1/2 of that is true :eek:

Again, I knew someone in NR's personal security detail who years later still says she was a doll. So, take that for what it is worth :cool: