Sucky News for Rumours.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Shania Twain goes Double Diamond


by Paul Cashmere

10 December 2004

Shania Twain's 'Come On Over' album has jumped past The Beatles 'White Album', AC/DC's 'Back In Black' and Fleetwood Mac 'Rumours' to become the 6th biggest selling album of all time in the USA.

'Come On Over' has been certified Double Diamond for sales exceeding 20 million. (Diamond is awarded at 10 million sales, Platinum in the USA is for sales over 1 million).

Shania's album as a double diamond release is in exclusive company sitting behind The Eagles 'Their Greatest Hits' at 28 million, Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' and 26 million, Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' at 23 million, Led Zeppelin 'IV' at 22 million and Billy Joel's 'Greatest Hits' at 21 million.

The Diamond certification was first awarded in 1999. Unlike the Australian ARIA certifications, the American system is based on sales to the public. Elton John commented at the inaugural certification ceremony "I think this is the biggest accolade you can be given because it means your fans have gone out and bought your records. And that's why we make records - for our public."

The first person to receive a Gold Award was Perry Como for 'Catch A Falling Star' on March 15, 1958.

The first platinum single was awarded to Johnny Taylor for 'Disco Lady' in 1976. The first platinum album was The Eagles 'Their Greatest Hits'.

[Hawkeye]

Yeah, that does suck. But hopefully witht the reissues Rumours will be able to hit 20 million soon.

[sodascouts]

Wow, I had no idea she was so popular!!!

[GypsySorcerer]

I think Shania is a good artist, but she's not in the same league as the others IMO. She released practically every song from Come on Over as a single....very smart move. She seems like a nice person, though. I don't have anything against her.

[Lala]

I agree. I like Shania Twain and there's something in many Canadian's like myself that almost forces us to like her for the mere fact that she IS Canadian. She has a nice success story. But, she is NOT in the same rank with the other artists. Oh well...

I have Come On Over...I don't listen to it anymore. Needless to say I have Rumours. So she doesn't win in my house.

[bikerchic]

That's our girl! :blob1: Sorry, it's a Canadian thing!

[wondergirl9847]

Quantity does not always = quality. I like some of Shania's songs, not a huge fan tho..but good for her.

Rumours will always be one of the greatest albums ever made...no matter what. :)

[Hawkeye]

Yeah, even I got to admit that Come On Over was a pretty good album. "That Don't Impress Me Much" was a danmed catchy song that I really liked back when it was released. Is it in the same league as Rumours, NO, but I can see it being sucha big seller.

[bikerchic]

Rumours will always be one of the greatest albums ever made...no matter what. :)..........

:nod:

[bikerchic]

The brain child behind Shania's success is her husband Robert Mutt Lange :nod:

[amber]

Plus, there's more people now to buy stuff... :) Is it population adjusted? :laugh:

[Nicks Fan]

I am a fellow canuck and I say congrats to Shania! My thing is though 20 years from now people will remember Rumours. But will they remember Come On Over?

[golddustwoman77]

Quantity does not always = quality. I like some of Shania's songs, not a huge fan tho..but good for her.

Rumours will always be one of the greatest albums ever made...no matter what. :)


That is exactly how I feel too! Shania may be good, but she is no Fleetwood Mac, and Come On Over is NO Rumours! ;)

[seeker007nmss]

I kinda like Shania, but I have heard "rumours" she is starting to get "not very nice" in the personal department. It's a shame when they start going nutsy as the fame and money come in. Why can't they all be like John McVie and stay down to earth? *sigh*

[jwd]

Plus, there's more people now to buy stuff...:) Is it population adjusted? :laugh:

:laugh: Yea, I guess that's true. But on the other hand how many extra copies of Rumours have been sold because it's spanned the media formats of vinyl, 8-tracks, cassettes, cds, and remastered bonus track editions. I think I've bought at least five copies of Rumours myself over the years. Needless to say though Rumours is one of the best classic albums of all time.

[celestenadia]

Ms.Twain is not even close to being in the same league as our Mac, but I gotta give her credit...
She sings,she plays,she writes,she's pretty,charitable,she's about 40 AND she came from nothing.
I gotta give the girl the two thumbs up.

[DrummerDeanna]

I don't hate Shania - but to me all of her songs sound the same - so to me - she reissuing the same damn songs over and over again with different names.....her slow songs all sound the same and same for the fast ones - it aggravates the crap out of me....

[mondaymornin1]

Ms.Twain is not even close to being in the same league as our Mac, but I gotta give her credit...
She sings,she plays,she writes,she's pretty,charitable,she's about 40 AND she came from nothing.
I gotta give the girl the two thumbs up.

Yeah, I gotta agree. If one of the country goddesses has to pass my Mac, then I'd rather it be her than Faith, sorry :nod:

[Gazza]

It does piss me off that no where on the web can I find accurate worldwide album sales, instead of just sales in America.

[dissention]

Ms.Twain is not even close to being in the same league as our Mac, but I gotta give her credit...
She sings,she plays,she writes,she's pretty,charitable,she's about 40 AND she came from nothing.
I gotta give the girl the two thumbs up.

Charitable, my ass. She expects charity from the very charities she "donates" to and "helps." :mad:

[HomerMcvie]

And what musical boundaries is she pushing? None. Folks, it's MASS marketing. Welcome to 2004. Nothing aurally offensive. Sexy spokeswoman. Walmart's America. Buy me...
But, I would say the same thing about Wacko Jacko. Who here can tell me that- artistically- Shania holds a candle to these other artists at the top of the list? FM, Pink Floyd(my god, the Wall is a masterpiece!), even the Eagles(who were certainly pushing the envelopes of country rock).
Mass marketed pop fodder. :distress:

[AliceLover]

Are you Kidding???????????

Beaten by Shania Twain. Wow. Im really speechless now. Im sorry I thik she really sucks. Whats next Britney #1?????????


Jimmy

[Gabrielle]

I was just going to say that. Are you kidding? She's not only not in the same league, but I don't even think she's playing in the same game. Sorry but I also think she sucks. "That Don't Impress Me Much" was painful to listen to. Bad enough she beat out Rumours, but the Beatles too? Give me a break!

Lindsey said it best "What's the world coming to?" :confused:

[celestenadia]

Charitable, my ass. She expects charity from the very charities she "donates" to and "helps." :mad:
Have you been mooning needy people?;)...
Are we talking about possible physical favors she might engage in with Robert Lange before he works on one of her albums?:)
But seriously,no lie. A while back there was this segment on Shania on one of those news magazines...
At any rate, while on tour she visits a local charitable type organization/center and volounteers(sp?) for about an hour or something. It's like a daily thing.

[strandinthewind]

Have you been mooning needy people?;)...
Are we talking about possible physical favors she might engage in with Robert Lange before he works on one of her albums?:)
But seriously,no lie. A while back there was this segment on Shania on one of those news magazines...
At any rate, while on tour she visits a local charitable type organization/center and volounteers(sp?) for about an hour or something. It's like a daily thing.

Based on discussions we had awhile back, Dissention thinks anyone that gets anything from a charity in return for their services or donation is horrible. He refuses to accept that this happens all of the time and that the charities readily accept this as the star's attraction will net them many times the amount they pay the star. He thinks the stars should pay to fly themselves there, pay for their lodging, etc.

Having said that, from what you said her volunteer work is a great and unrenumerated thing :cool: So, in that instance, Diss. is wrong - just as he was wrong about Michael Jackson having only little boys over to spend the night :p Hmmmm . . twice in two days - what's up with that Diss :wavey:

[wondergirl9847]

Why are you taking it out on Shania....what about the people who buy her records? People out there obviously like Britney, Shania, Faith, etc...they just offer it....people buy it...blame America. LOL

[sparky]

Are we talking about possible physical favors she might engage in with Robert Lange before he works on one of her albums?:)

I read an interview with her and she said she basically has no sex drive. It was fairly surprising. They were talking about her sexpot image and it was ironic to her, considering that she felt her sex drive was very low to non existent. I think it was a Rolling Stone interview.

[dissention]

Based on discussions we had awhile back, Dissention thinks anyone that gets anything from a charity in return for their services or donation is horrible. He refuses to accept that this happens all of the time and that the charities readily accept this as the star's attraction will net them many times the amount they pay the star. He thinks the stars should pay to fly themselves there, pay for their lodging, etc.

Having said that, from what you said her volunteer work is a great and unrenumerated thing :cool: So, in that instance, Diss. is wrong - just as he was wrong about Michael Jackson having only little boys over to spend the night :p Hmmmm . . twice in two days - what's up with that Diss :wavey:

You poor, deluded little creature. :laugh:

There's a difference between refusing to accept that things like that happen all the time and refusing to accept it on a moral level. It's no secret that stars who "help" charities get things in return, so I fail to see where you're coming from. It's not that I refuse to accept that, it's that I refuse to condone it because I find it morally corrupt.

Shania Twain is famous for her diva demands when it comes to charitable organizations, it's no secret how she acts and what she demands. There is also a difference between a charitable organization paying for travel and a charitable organization paying for first-class travel. There is quite a difference between a charitable organization paying for lodging and paying for five-star hotel suites and footing the room service bill. There is quite a difference between a charitable organization giving their celebs fruit baskets as thank-you's and giving them Rolex watches and diamond earrings. Call it what you want, but it's disgusting and the "stars" who partake in it should be ashamed of themselves as human beings. Maybe instead of demanding such unnecessary and tacky things, they should demand that the money that would have been used to pamper their sorry asses stays in the organization and pays for a wheelchair for someone who needs one and can't afford it.

It's a question of morality.

[dissention]

I read an interview with her and she said she basically has no sex drive. It was fairly surprising. They were talking about her sexpot image and it was ironic to her, considering that she felt her sex drive was very low to non existent. I think it was a Rolling Stone interview.

Sex with her looks as if it would be as satisfying as doing it with a cold fish. :wavey:

[wondergirl9847]

I read an interview with her and she said she basically has no sex drive. It was fairly surprising. They were talking about her sexpot image and it was ironic to her, considering that she felt her sex drive was very low to non existent. I think it was a Rolling Stone interview.

"I hear there's trouble in Shangri-la." :shocked:

[amber]

Sex with her looks as if it would be as satisfying as doing it with a cold fish. :wavey:
well, especially now that she's said she actually is one. :shrug:

[madformac]

I'm sure Shania is a nice person, she seems sweet enough in interviews.. As pointed out earlier her husband Mutt Lange is very much a part of her success, as he was in making Def Lepperd a success too.

However, for me she lives up to exactly what Lindsey didn't want to do after the success of Rumours which is to take the formula and run it into the ground.. Everything she sings sounds exactly the same to me.. It's like Coke or Pepsi, people like the taste and it sells ****loads so why change it?

She might break records but she ain't a creative artist..

:wavey:

[Villavic]

Quantity does not always = quality. I like some of Shania's songs, not a huge fan tho..but good for her.

Rumours will always be one of the greatest albums ever made...no matter what. :)

If the point is about records, I think the goal was at the momentum. Rumours was a phenomenom, as Thriller or Saturday Night Fever were. You can't compare (sales) a 2004 album against a 1977 album. RUMOURS RULED!!!!!

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Plus, there's more people now to buy stuff... :) Is it population adjusted? :laugh:^Yeah what she said.^

[GateandGarden]

Ugh. Shania pretty much quit being innovative in the least after her The Woman in Me album. She's nothing of a songwriter unless Mutt is writing alongside her...probably doing most of the writing. I can't believe I used to listen to her music all the time. Was I that shallow in high school? For her to beat out the Beatles and FM is quite depressing.

She's been honest about her incredibly low sex drive for years now. She likes to distinguish being "sexy" from being "sexual." It kind of makes sense. :o

Hillary

[amber]

Ugh. Shania pretty much quit being innovative in the least after her The Woman in Me album. She's nothing of a songwriter unless Mutt is writing alongside her...probably doing most of the writing. I can't believe I used to listen to her music all the time. Was I that shallow in high school? For her to beat out the Beatles and FM is quite depressing.
Hillary
She's still a good singer though. You know, catchy, tuneful. I mean, i don't like her that much, but I can see why someone would listen to her..

[GateandGarden]

She's still a good singer though. You know, catchy, tuneful. I mean, i don't like her that much, but I can see why someone would listen to her..But there are so many artists out there like that. In some ways, she's comparable to Britney. And though Shania sings better than Britney, she still doesn't have a very unique voice, and we can certainly say that Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine do. And I give Mutt credit for the "catchy" and "tuneful" aspects of her music. Whenever she writes a song by herself, it's nothing compared to what she writes with him.

Hillary

[amber]

But there are so many artists out there like that. In some ways, she's comparable to Britney. And though Shania sings better than Britney, she still doesn't have a very unique voice, and we can certainly say that Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine do. And I give Mutt credit for the "catchy" and "tuneful" aspects of her music. Whenever she writes a song by herself, it's nothing compared to what she writes with him.

Hillary

you're right, there are. But I think she's for sure better than Britney. I've definitely enjoyed some of her songs. But, I'm not much of a music snob, if i like the song (you know, fun to sing, makes my ears happy) I don't usually have to be all deep about it, necessarily. And, from what you say (and what i've heard) she really isn't a great writer. But again, I'm not too much of a lyrics person, necessarily. :shrug: I sing millions of stevie and other people's songs knowing not all the lyrics. I'm not the best person to discuss this with - I get more snobby about the tune, the bandwork, if there is a lot of harmonies and variance, and most of all - the vocal :shrug: :sorry: :D

[GateandGarden]

you're right, there are. But I think she's for sure better than Britney. I've definitely enjoyed some of her songs. But, I'm not much of a music snob, if i like the song (you know, fun to sing, makes my ears happy) I don't usually have to be all deep about it, necessarily. And, from what you say (and what i've heard) she really isn't a great writer. But again, I'm not too much of a lyrics person, necessarily. :shrug: I sing millions of stevie and other people's songs knowing not all the lyrics. I'm not the best person to discuss this with - I get more snobby about the tune, the bandwork, if there is a lot of harmonies and variance, and most of all - the vocal :shrug: :sorry: :DWell, for the record, I'm still a fan of some tunes like "You're Still the One" and "I Won't Leave You Lonely" from the Come On Over album. And the song "The Woman in Me" from the album of the same name is incredibly beautiful, so I'm not staying up late tonight just to say unkind things about Shania. She has her place in the music industry, but it does piss me off when people go out and buy more of her CDs than things like Rumours.

Hillary

[amber]

Well, for the record, I'm still a fan of some tunes like "You're Still the One" and "I Won't Leave You Lonely" from the Come On Over album. And the song "The Woman in Me" from the album of the same name is incredibly beautiful, so I'm not staying up late tonight just to say unkind things about Shania. She has her place in the music industry, but it does piss me off when people go out and buy more of her CDs than things like Rumours.

Hillary
Me, too, the piss off part. Yeah, i know you weren't staying up late to bitch :laugh: It just struck me in your post that you were a little hard on yourself for listening to her in the past :D I mean, she's kinda good - good voice. :xoxo: by the way, i liked "that don't impress me much" or whatever that song is called. Also...another one i can't think of now... :sorry:

[Mageboy25]

Well I LOVE Come On Over and The Women In Me. The only thing I really like on Up now is Up.

Just to add some fuel to the fire lol. My friend did makeup for some news reporter who attended all of the events for the last Country Music Awards show in Nashville. He was there for 2 days of rehearsals and said the only person acting like a diva was Shania lol. He said Reba and Dolly were laid back chatting often, and had little makeup on. He said Shania wasnt bitchy, just acting like a TOTAL DIVA lol.

[bikerchic]

The difference between Shania & Fleetwood Mac is Shania's fan's are as young as 5 year's old, I don't think you can say that about FM, by daughter is 9 and has loved Shania since she was about 6. I took my daughter to see Shania last year when she was in Toronto & I couldn't believe how many little girls were there (even dressed like her). Shania's fans ages range from 5 - 80, that's quite a large fan base to sell album's to. Oh by the way when we were in our seats waiting for her to come on, Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" was playing over the PA system & I've heard from many other fan's that she played FM at every concert, so we know that she's a huge FM fan! :nod: :thumbsup:

[GateandGarden]

It just struck me in your post that you were a little hard on yourself for listening to her in the past :DOh my God. I'm always so hard on myself about the stuff I used to listen to. The walls of my bedroom used to be covered with pictures of Britney Spears. How can I admit that to people? I used to LOVE shallow pop music, and I actually liked the way Britney and some of the others dressed. I'll go crawl into a hole now. :laugh:

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Well I LOVE Come On Over and The Women In Me. The only thing I really like on Up now is Up.

Just to add some fuel to the fire lol. My friend did makeup for some news reporter who attended all of the events for the last Country Music Awards show in Nashville. He was there for 2 days of rehearsals and said the only person acting like a diva was Shania lol. He said Reba and Dolly were laid back chatting often, and had little makeup on. He said Shania wasnt bitchy, just acting like a TOTAL DIVA lol.I think Up is one of her worst. I don't say it's her worst because there's some competition there with her self-titled debut. But I haven't listened to that one in ages so it's hard to make a comment. Great to hear that Reba and Dolly were cool at the CMA rehearsals! In the past, I've heard that Reba is a stuck-up bitch, but as I've been following her myself since '95, I haven't seen that at all. I've been wondering if people just made that up.

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Oh by the way when we were in our seats waiting for her to come on, Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" was playing over the PA system & I've heard from many other fan's that she played FM at every concert, so we know that she's a huge FM fan! :nod: :thumbsup:Wow, I didn't know about that! Well, if she really likes the Mac, she should've quit marketing herself so fiercely so that she wouldn't have outsold them. :laugh: :D

Hillary

[ontheEdgeof17]

I used to LOVE shallow pop music
Hillary



Do you think FM sometimes writes shallow pop music? I think they do. The image that comes across makes all the difference, IMO. If a 14 year old was singing Little Lies, it would come off as TRL material. I also think not writing their own songs is an issue and makes it come across as uninspiring and meaningless.

Shania does write her own material, but the audience she is targeting is the reason why she is "pop country". She knows how to sells records. Talking about boy/girl problems in a childish way just doesn't do it for me, but it does for a 17 year old. I do have to say that Woman in Me is a great song!

[bikerchic]

If you have ever seen Shania's video for her song "UP" she brings out a trunk with all her favourite stuff, ie: a AC/DC t-shirt (a "Mutt Lange" reference?, a Canadian hockey jersey, pictures of her parents & so on, it's really nice, and there on the wall behind her, hanging amongst a bunch of pictures is the "Rumours" album cover, has anyone noticed that? It's really cool :thumbsup:

[bikerchic]

Shania does write her own material, but the audience she is targeting is the reason why she is "pop country". She knows how to sells records.
You are so right, country listeners & rock listeners buy her albums.

[GateandGarden]

Do you think FM sometimes writes shallow pop music? I think they do.Yeah, they do. But I justify myself listening to it because there is real music thrown in the mix as well. (Something was grammatically incorrect about that sentence, but I don't know what it was so hell with it). Songs like "Everywhere" could be considered shallow pop music, but I still prefer Christine's voice to Shania's, and that makes a big difference to me. That and the fact that "Everywhere" has sentimental value to me.

But I know deep down that we should just listen to what we enjoy listening to, and that's that. I'll try to adopt that viewpoint, but then one of my brothers will make fun of me for listening to shallow music and some reference will be made to how I'm the youngest and not the brightest in the family. :rolleyes: So, I've always got my reasons for being uptight, stupid as they are. :thumbsup:

Um, sorry for the meandering there.

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

If you have ever seen Shania's video for her song "UP" she brings out a trunk with all her favourite stuff, ie: a AC/DC t-shirt (a "Mutt Lange" reference?, a Canadian hockey jersey, pictures of her parents & so on, it's really nice, and there on the wall behind her, hanging amongst a bunch of pictures is the "Rumours" album cover, has anyone noticed that? It's really cool :thumbsup:Oh! I've only seen parts of that video so that why I've never noticed.

Hillary

[GypsySorcerer]

I do have to say that Woman in Me is a great song!


:shocked: She sounds like a dying cow on that one. :sorry: I much prefer Shania singing up-tempo songs....her ballads are kinda painful.

[strandinthewind]

You poor, deluded little creature. :laugh:

There's a difference between refusing to accept that things like that happen all the time and refusing to accept it on a moral level. It's no secret that stars who "help" charities get things in return, so I fail to see where you're coming from. It's not that I refuse to accept that, it's that I refuse to condone it because I find it morally corrupt.

Shania Twain is famous for her diva demands when it comes to charitable organizations, it's no secret how she acts and what she demands. There is also a difference between a charitable organization paying for travel and a charitable organization paying for first-class travel. There is quite a difference between a charitable organization paying for lodging and paying for five-star hotel suites and footing the room service bill. There is quite a difference between a charitable organization giving their celebs fruit baskets as thank-you's and giving them Rolex watches and diamond earrings. Call it what you want, but it's disgusting and the "stars" who partake in it should be ashamed of themselves as human beings. Maybe instead of demanding such unnecessary and tacky things, they should demand that the money that would have been used to pamper their sorry asses stays in the organization and pays for a wheelchair for someone who needs one and can't afford it.

It's a question of morality.

We had a discussion about charitable donations, taxes, etc., awhile back wherein you said you would never get that people should get any tax break or that companies should make donations for favorable public exposure. Sinilarly, charities know that they will make tenfold what they give the stars (most of which is donated or obtained at a reduced cost BTW). That is where I was getting that. If this is not what you said - then I am wrong (but I know you said it :cool: ) or you said it and have changed your mind - so be it.

P.S. Please produce the proof on Shania. I wanna see where she demanded a Rolex :wavey:

[ontheEdgeof17]

:shocked: She sounds like a dying cow on that one. :sorry: I much prefer Shania singing up-tempo songs....her ballads are kinda painful.

Doubtful :distress: :laugh:



Party For Two is horrible and sounds worse than a dying cow. :)

[GateandGarden]

:shocked: She sounds like a dying cow on that one. :sorry: I much prefer Shania singing up-tempo songs....her ballads are kinda painful.Don't hold back! :laugh:

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Doubtful :distress: :laugh:



Party For Two is horrible and sounds worse than a dying cow. :)I agree with ya Curtis, but on the other hand, I don't think it's representative of all of her up-tempo songs. She usually sounds better than she does on that particular song, which is among the worst she's ever done.

Hillary

P.S. Honesty is so fun. I like writing all this stuff and not prefacing anything or following it up with the obligatory "IMO." :laugh:

[cliffdweller]

The brain child behind Shania's success is her husband Robert Mutt Lange :nod:

I don't know...

I think what's more behind Shania's success is her huge, beautiful voice and gorgeous bod. Her husband is definitely part of her sound, but he's not the one up there shaking his ass on stage night after night and belting out those songs. Wow, and I'm not even a Shania fan!! :laugh:

I just hate it when a man gets all the credit for a hard working woman's success.

[face of glass]

I also think not writing their own songs is an issue and makes it come across as uninspiring and meaningless.
This is something I will always disagree with. Go tell that to Dionne Warwick after having listened to what she did with Burt Bacharach in the '60s. It's never been about who writes what, it's about how you perform that stuff that creates this illusion of authenticity and sincerity to people. As Burt himself said: without the right singer, you never have a song. Or as Sinatra said, "a singer is essentially an actor".

[cliffdweller]

This is something I will always disagree with. Go tell that to Dionne Warwick after having listened to what she did with Burt Bacharach in the '60s.

:nod: Or Linda Ronstadt from any decade! She has always labeled herself as an interpreter of songs rather than a songwriter which is fine by me because she has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard AND she's kickstarted many talented songwriters' careers in music like Warren Zevon and The Eagles. She's tops in my book :thumbsup:

[bikerchic]

I don't know...

I think what's more behind Shania's success is her huge, beautiful voice and gorgeous bod. Her husband is definitely part of her sound, but he's not the one up there shaking his ass on stage night after night and belting out those songs. Wow, and I'm not even a Shania fan!! :laugh:

I just hate it when a man gets all the credit for a hard working woman's success.
Shania's first album, self titled, bombed, Mutt Lange comes into the picture, gold ever since. Shania wouldn't be up on that stage shaking her ass off in the first place if it weren't for her songs. One word to describe Shania's songs is "catchy" and that is due to Mutt's co-writing, composing and producing. Don't get me wrong, I love Shania, and not just because she's Canadian (but that helps :laugh: ) but her songs are just so damn "catchy" & her hot little bod don't hurt either :nod:

I hate it too when a man gets all the credit for a hard working woman's success but sometimes it does happen :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Well, I think "Still the One" was a GREAT song. AND - the video was HOT. So, that certainly helped :shrug:

[cliffdweller]

pchic]Shania's first album, self titled, bombed, Mutt Lange comes into the picture, gold ever since. Shania wouldn't be up on that stage shaking her ass off in the first place if it weren't for her songs. One word to describe Shania's songs is "catchy" and that is due to Mutt's co-writing, composing and producing. Don't get me wrong, I love Shania, and not just because she's Canadian (but that helps :laugh: ) but her songs are just so damn "catchy" & her hot little bod don't hurt either :nod:

I hate it too when a man gets all the credit for a hard working woman's success but sometimes it does happen :lol:[/QUOTE]

Really, I don't give two hoots about Shania Twain so I guess I'm not really all that invested in this but all I can think about is footage I saw of her before she made it big, and the girl could sing. She does have vocal talent, unfortunately she's been "tarted" up and packaged as a Brittneyesque pop icon (and maybe it was her idea, I don't know) in order for her records to sell. It's a shame really, but it's something that has befallen many women in pop music, even the talented ones. I suppose this is the biggest shame of all. And I guess I hate that her talent is overshadowed by her image and her husband's deux machina "hand of god" presence in her music. Did I say I wasn't all that invested in this topic? :laugh: :laugh:

[bikerchic]

I don't know if it was like this in the states, but when Shania was just breaking through, what got her noticed here in Canada, was not her voice but her midriff. She was the first country artist to show her midriff (I think it was the video for "What Made You Say That?" or maybe it was "Any Man of Mine" (whatever) but it got everyone talking here. Not a big deal to me but it was alittle shocking at first :shrug:

[dissention]

We had a discussion about charitable donations, taxes, etc., awhile back wherein you said you would never get that people should get any tax break or that companies should make donations for favorable public exposure. Sinilarly, charities know that they will make tenfold what they give the stars (most of which is donated or obtained at a reduced cost BTW). That is where I was getting that. If this is not what you said - then I am wrong (but I know you said it :cool: ) or you said it and have changed your mind - so be it.

I never stated that people shouldn't get tax breaks, pal. I believe what I said was that I disagreed on a moral level with people donating to charities for the sole purpose of getting tax breaks. ;)

I don't give a flying fig what the charities get back tenfold, that isn't the issue. The issue is that I find it morally corrupt for these celebrities to take and demand such gifts for their appearances and the like. The ten grand that they're using to pamper celebs in hotel suites could be used to help someone who really needs it. But if you think it's fine for celebs to use charities for their own personal gain, that's your prerogative. :woohoo:

P.S. Please produce the proof on Shania. I wanna see where she demanded a Rolex :wavey:

I never said she did. ;) We had a discussion about her and her diva antics on this very board over the summer, do a search. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I never stated that people shouldn't get tax breaks, pal. I believe what I said was that I disagreed on a moral level with people donating to charities for the sole purpose of getting tax breaks. ;)

I don't give a flying fig what the charities get back tenfold, that isn't the issue. The issue is that I find it morally corrupt for these celebrities to take and demand such gifts for their appearances and the like. The ten grand that they're using to pamper celebs in hotel suites could be used to help someone who really needs it. But if you think it's fine for celebs to use charities for their own personal gain, that's your prerogative. :woohoo:



I never said she did. ;) We had a discussion about her and her diva antics on this very board over the summer, do a search. :wavey:

Split hairs all you want - blah blah blah :laugh: :wavey: :p

[GateandGarden]

Really, I don't give two hoots about Shania Twain so I guess I'm not really all that invested in this but all I can think about is footage I saw of her before she made it big, and the girl could sing.Really? What early footage did you see? Whenever I see a show about her like "Driven," for example, they show that same old footage of her wearing an overly-glitzy dress, sporting the ultimate eighties hair, and singing at this kinda dingy-looking nightclub, and she is nothin' special. And they talk about how great she was back then, and how her voice was just great. But she wasn't better than the average person. :sorry:

Still, she wasn't too shabby at "VH-1 Divas Live 98", IMO. I thought "You're Still the One" sounded good.

In reference to what bikerchic said about the videos, I believe it was "Any Man of Mine" that got her lots of attention in the U.S. Everyone was shocked about the midriff thing, and Shania's response was "Lots of people bare their midriffs; I don't understand why mine is such an issue." She failed to consider the fact that the "lots of people" weren't country music singers. Anyway, I know they played the video for "What Made You Say That" in the U.S., but it didn't do much on the charts, and when The Woman in Me came out, I remember a lot of people assuming it was her debut.

Hillary

[wondergirl9847]

Yep, some of the greatest singers never wrote a note. They interpreted the song. :thumbsup:

I don't care what anyone says....the voice is an instrument. :nod:

[dissention]

Split hairs all you want - blah blah blah :laugh: :wavey: :p

I will, because I'm right and you're wrong. ;) :p :wavey:

Once again, if you think it's right for celebs to use charities for their own personal gain, fine. But I don't.

[strandinthewind]

I will, because I'm right and you're wrong. ;) :p :wavey:

Once again, if you think it's right for celebs to use charities for their own personal gain, fine. But I don't.

Bless your heart - you cannot see the forest for the trees :laugh: I am not arguing it is correct or moral for anyone to do what you assert (which keeps changing BTW :wavey: ) - I am just saying the charities have no problem with it (whatever "it" is) - if the stars get them tenfold the cost :cool:

[dissention]

Bless your heart - you cannot see the forest for the trees :laugh: I am not arguing it is correct or moral for anyone to do what you assert (which keeps changing BTW :wavey: ) - I am just saying the charities have no problem with it (whatever "it" is) - if the stars get them tenfold the cost :cool:

And I am not arguing with that, nor have I ever. :wavey:

My only beef is with the acceptance and demands of such perks. Christ, your teachers must have struggled to work on your comprehension skills. ;)

[strandinthewind]

And I am not arguing with that, nor have I ever. :wavey:

My only beef is with the acceptance and demands of such perks. Christ, your teachers must have struggled to work on your comprehension skills. ;)

It usually involved a chisel - yours, sadly, used powertools :wavey: :cool:

[Moony]

.....
Back to the original topic, Shania makes teeny-bopper music desguised as whatever "country" is nowadays. No wonder she sells so many records. I agree with Strand that Your Still The One was a great song though.

...And don't you two ever give it a rest?! :laugh: :wavey:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Well, I think "Still the One" was a GREAT song. AND - the video was HOT. So, that certainly helped :shrug:
I've always loved this song. I think Shania is great. I watched her Behind The Music and she took over the care of her siblings when her parents were killed. She came across well to me.

[GateandGarden]

I watched her Behind The Music and she took over the care of her siblings when her parents were killed. She came across well to me.Yes, I can diss a lot of the music, but I respect her for that. I couldn't imagine that when I first heard about it. I believe she was about my age when her parents were suddenly killed in that car accident. I absolutely cannot fathom getting up one morning and learning that both of my parents are dead and I have to be the strong one and become the head of the household. :distress:

Hillary

[cliffdweller]

Everyone was shocked about the midriff thing, and Shania's response was "Lots of people bare their midriffs; I don't understand why mine is such an issue." She failed to consider the fact that the "lots of people" weren't country music singers.

Hillary

Yeah, and now look at the young, female country/pop stars today, they're all baring it and then some. Shania started a midriff baring revolution in country music! :laugh:

I don't know what footage I saw, but it wasn't Driven. I saw something from right before she hit it big, she was performing on stage somewhere and I think she did have bad 80's poof hair and bad clothing.