Destiny Rules DVD

[The Chain]

I might be asking for this for Christmas, but I just wanted to know if it was worth it. Is it very different from the TV Version? How much more do we get to see? I just don't want to ask for something I've seen already, and with nothing different.

Thanks

[ontheEdgeof17]

It's the same thing but in DVD format.


Bummer, I know.

[Lala]

Hmm...I have yet to see Destiny Rules. Are there any moments during it that are priceless and worth revisiting again and again?

-Justin

My favorite part has got to be Lindsey and Stevie working on Goodbye Baby. There's a picture of them from the Rumours(?) era and the music is playing. It just gives me the chills.

[Serrart]

Hmm...I have yet to see Destiny Rules. Are there any moments during it that are priceless and worth revisiting again and again?

-Justin

There are so many! Some of my favourites:

Stevie arriving with a spirit catcher

The great performances on Destiny Rules, Illume, Goodbye Baby, Thrown Down, I Am Waiting.

Lindsey who gets emotional trying to convince Stevie to join the double album bandwagon

Stevie's smart explanation of music business trend nowadays

The singing fish scene + the mass of the exploding timbers speech

John's point of view on working side to side with the songwriters

The cover photo shoot

The rehearsals, especially for the 10 magic seconds of EFO live

The last moments before Columbus concert

Romy

[David]

Stevie arriving with a spirit catcher
My favorite scene!

Oh, how I wish John McVie had a pellet gun right about then!

[MacMan]

The whole thing is good and worth watching again and again. Maybe not ever second day... but you'll watch it for the rest of your life!

And I think if you love Fleetwood Mac, this is a must have and a little buying support doesn't hurt either :nod:

[takenbythesky]

Thanks, everyone! I must confess, I would have ended up buying Destiny Rules anyway. All of your stories just make me want it REALLY REALLY badly now. :laugh:

-Justin

[ontheEdgeof17]

I also like the part when Stevie yells, "Karen is drop dead honest!" Makes me chuckle everytime.

[Lala]

The part where Lindsey is crying about the double album actually annoys the heck out of me. I think he really gets on my nerves for most of the doc with his creatvie geneous crap. I'm sorry. You know I love him but he just seems kind of full of it in DR. In the rehersals and stuff he's great...and the "package check" during the photo shoot makes me giggle immaturely.

[amber]

The part where Lindsey is crying about the double album actually annoys the heck out of me. I think he really gets on my nerves for most of the doc with his creatvie geneous crap. I'm sorry. You know I love him but he just seems kind of full of it in DR. In the rehersals and stuff he's great...and the "package check" during the photo shoot makes me giggle immaturely.
Me, too. I kept making fun of Lindsey while I was watching it :laugh: But i still love him. He just has a pompous way of speaking, I think. :)

[DeadliestPoison]

Let THEM fight it out!!)@(!*@(*

[dissention]

I thought they all came across as rather pompous and not very grounded in reality, save John.

[amber]

I thought they all came across as rather pompous and not very grounded in reality, save John.
yeah. well, actually, i thought lindsey was far and away the most pompous sounding. I'm used to mick, i think he just talks that way, plus, i kinda like him. And i think rather than pompous, Stevie sounded a tiny tad self important, instead. but she usually does. :angel: I don't mind, though, i love them all. Plus, it's fun to make fun of them a bit, knowing you still love them.

[dissention]

yeah. well, actually, i thought lindsey was far and away the most pompous sounding. I'm used to mick, i think he just talks that way, plus, i kinda like him. And i think rather than pompous, Stevie sounded a tiny tad self important, instead. but she usually does. :angel: I don't mind, though, i love them all. Plus, it's fun to make fun of them a bit, knowing you still love them.

Mick is a louse. Plain and simple. Always has been and always will be in my book. He's a greedy schmuck with diminishing drumming skills. :laugh:

Lindsey needs to get a clue. Comparing himself to Todd Solondz? Puhleeze. Get a grip, you're a corporate rocker who caters to whoever is paying you.

Stevie, as you pointed out, comes across as very self-important. But I thinks she's just as pompous as Lindsey and there were a few times I wanted to grab her arm to see if she had warm blood.

Love John, though. :lol: :woohoo:

[amber]

Mick is a louse. Plain and simple. Always has been and always will be in my book. He's a greedy schmuck with diminishing drumming skills. :laugh:

Lindsey needs to get a clue. Comparing himself to Todd Solondz? Puhleeze. Get a grip, you're a corporate rocker who caters to whoever is paying you.

Stevie, as you pointed out, comes across as very self-important. But I thinks she's just as pompous as Lindsey and there were a few times I wanted to grab her arm to see if she had warm blood.

Love John, though. :lol: :woohoo:
Wow. I know one band who's not getting any hugs from Diss! :laugh: I wasn't really that critical of them, after all, they've been famous and rich for a billion years...And i know everyone hates mick, and he's a louse and all, but i think he's interesting and funny and expressive when he talks, so i don't really care. Yes, John is clearly the best, but he's a repub, too :shrug: I dunno, I figure if that was me, people would find a lot wrong with my personality, too.
But i tell you what, if i was in that band i'd have trouble not rolling my eyes at Lindsey, all the time. My friend from Palo Alto kind of talks like that too :rolleyes: I'm like "are we going to see the point anytime soon, or should I get a snack?" :laugh: Geez, diss, do you even like this band? :laugh: :p

[dissention]

Wow. I know one band who's not getting any hugs from Diss! :laugh: I wasn't really that critical of them, after all, they've been famous and rich for a billion years...And i know everyone hates mick, and he's a louse and all, but i think he's interesting and funny and expressive when he talks, so i don't really care. Yes, John is clearly the best, but he's a repub, too :shrug: I dunno, I figure if that was me, people would find a lot wrong with my personality, too.
But i tell you what, if i was in that band i'd have trouble not rolling my eyes at Lindsey, all the time. My friend from Palo Alto kind of talks like that too :rolleyes: I'm like "are we going to see the point anytime soon, or should I get a snack?" :laugh: Geez, diss, do you even like this band? :laugh: :p

Just because I like their music, it doesn't mean that I like their egotistical behavior. ;)

I think the problem is that they've been sheltered and spoiled rock stars for so long that they have no sense of the real world, only what they've been exposed to for thirty years. Which is money, adoration, material things, and free reign to act however they want. I just have a problem relating to such spolied people, especially when they piss and moan about how they're doing it for the art (yet "pray to the commercial gods") and compare themselves to indie directors who make no money and live in two bedroom flats. I mean, get a clue. You people do not live on the same Earth that we common folk do and I just find the behavior more ridiculous and laughable than anything else. :)

I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I acted like that or made all that money for recording freakin' songs. I'd feel so incredibly unworthy, especially when there are people who know what it means to live a hard life. Not getting three more of your songs on a record is far from heartbreaking.

[amber]

Just because I like their music, it doesn't mean that I like their egotistical behavior. ;)

I think the problem is that they've been sheltered and spoiled rock stars for so long that they have no sense of the real world, only what they've been exposed to for thirty years. Which is money, adoration, material things, and free reign to act however they want. I just have a problem relating to such spolied people, especially when they piss and moan about how they're doing it for the art (yet "pray to the commercial gods") and compare themselves to indie directors who make no money and live in two bedroom flats. I mean, get a clue. You people do not live on the same Earth that we common folk do and I just find the behavior more ridiculous and laughable than anything else. :)
yeah. The weird thing is, i suspect Lindsey was always like that anyway... :nod:

[Serrart]

Mick is a louse. Plain and simple. Always has been and always will be in my book. He's a greedy schmuck with diminishing drumming skills. :laugh:

Lindsey needs to get a clue. Comparing himself to Todd Solondz? Puhleeze. Get a grip, you're a corporate rocker who caters to whoever is paying you.

Stevie, as you pointed out, comes across as very self-important. But I thinks she's just as pompous as Lindsey and there were a few times I wanted to grab her arm to see if she had warm blood.

Love John, though. :lol: :woohoo:

Hope this wouldn't bring to barricades again, but Stevie really surprised me in DR doc, she proved to be much more level-headed than I thought. Besides , her and John's sense of humour were a great relief to the whole album making saga . :)

Romy

[dissention]

yeah. The weird thing is, i suspect Lindsey was always like that anyway... :nod:

I think both he and Stevie were always like that. :shrug: They didn't suffer from living in low-class and poor backgrounds, they never hurted for money, they always had parents to wipe their asses, etc. They both come across as spoiled people who became even more vulgar as they got richer. :laugh:

But the music's great. :lol:

[Serrart]

I think both he and Stevie were always like that. :shrug: They didn't suffer from living in low-class and poor backgrounds, they never hurted for money, they always had parents to wipe their asses, etc. They both come across as spoiled people who became even more vulgar as they got richer. :laugh:

But the music's great. :lol:

Oh come on, that's such a cliche, if you don't come from low-class and poor backgrounds, you're headed to become a**? Can I point you out some rappers' lifestyle and behaviour?

Romy

[amber]

I think both he and Stevie were always like that. :shrug: They didn't suffer from living in low-class and poor backgrounds, they never hurted for money, they always had parents to wipe their asses, etc. They both come across as spoiled people who became even more vulgar as they got richer. :laugh:

But the music's great. :lol:
yeah :nod: but i kind of agree with Romy, I thought Stevie came out ok. And the good thing about her is, she's never pretended that she didn't want to be a famous rock n' roll star. She's always been ambitious. She plays the game, and doesn't really pretend otherwise. To me that's more refreshing than...uh...not doing that... :)

[dissention]

Oh come on, that's such a cliche, if you don't come from low-class and poor backgrounds, you're headed to become a**? Can I point you out some rappers' lifestyle and behaviour?

Romy

You obviously missed my point. The point was that I think they were rather snobbish to begin with and their meteoric success only exacberated it.

[ricohv]

I have a friend who has always thought Lindsey was underrated and that Stevie was just a space-cadet prima-donna thorn-in-Lindsey's-side who didn't deserve all the attention. Now I'm not saying it maybe hasn't been that way at times, but I think this footage at least makes Stevie look fairly like the agreeable, grounded one while it makes Lindsey look like the temper tantrum throwing ego maniac. The whole band was on eggshells about wanting to convince him to make a single album. That was so easy to understand. I mean, make a statement on your solo album Lindsey, it's not gonna sell either way. But Fleetwood Mac needed a strong more pop record for a big "comeback", not a Tusk pt.2. So what, it didn't have 2 discs in the pack, it was still longer than Tusk.
While I do beleive they have all lived in a cushioned rock star world, I also beleive: Stevie would've been eccentric no matter what her life became. I have dated a Gemini and have a Gemini sister, neither of whom are rock stars, both of whom are whack! I also beleive the chip on Lindsey's shoulder is much larger than that of Stevie's. She is actually the Peacekeeper now, JMO!

[dissention]

yeah :nod: but i kind of agree with Romy, I thought Stevie came out ok. And the good thing about her is, she's never pretended that she didn't want to be a famous rock n' roll star. She's always been ambitious. She plays the game, and doesn't really pretend otherwise. To me that's more refreshing than...uh...not doing that... :)

I agree with that, but I don't think she came out of that doc looking like a rose. Lindsey obviously looked the worst, he made a fool out of himself with most of things he said. He needs a heavy dose of reality. But Stevie? "Assistant" always in tow? Praying to the commercial gods? Gimme a break. She needs a dose of reality from the same bottle as Lindsey. These people are practically aliens. :laugh:

[Serrart]

You obviously missed my point. The point was that I think they were rather snobbish to begin with and their meteoric success only exacberated it.

I think I got it the first time too, thanks for the check out though! :)

Romy

[dissention]

I think I got it the first time too, thanks for the check out though! :)

Romy

Your previous comment didn't prove such, but you're quite welcome. ;)

[amber]

I agree with that, but I don't think she came out of that doc looking like a rose. Lindsey obviously looked the worst, he made a fool out of himself with most of things he said. He needs a heavy dose of reality. But Stevie? "Assistant" always in tow? Praying to the commercial gods? Gimme a break. She needs a dose of reality from the same bottle as Lindsey. These people are practically aliens. :laugh:
Hmmm, I don't mind Stevie's assistant. I just naturally assumed people like her would need one to keep their sh** straight. Plus, i get the feeling Stevie doesn't *love* to be by herself. Also, stevie has always tried to be commercial. which as i stated previously, i don't mind. But my fav. parts of DR was when they were practicing music, i think it could've used a whole lot more of that. :nod:

[dissention]

Hmmm, I don't mind Stevie's assistant. I just naturally assumed people like her would need one to keep their sh** straight. Plus, i get the feeling Stevie doesn't *love* to be by herself. Also, stevie has always tried to be commercial. which as i stated previously, i don't mind. But my fav. parts of DR was when they were practicing music, i think it could've used a whole lot more of that. :nod:

She wasn't "by herself," she had the rest of the players with her. I was just shocked at how often that damned assistant was there. Check the studio logs and she'll probably log in more hours than Miss Nicks. :laugh: I don't think Stevie set out to be commercial or always wanted to be, I think that her rather abrupt success engrained in her mind that she had to continue pursuing the same kind of music that made her so successful, which just happened to get more commercial as the years wore on and she feared alienating her audience with different kinds of things. It's a shame, but most artists are like that.

DR sucks for the simple fact that it's all drama and nothing else. I wanted to hear and see the songs being constructed. What a missed opportunity that was. :nod:

[Serrart]

Hmmm, I don't mind Stevie's assistant. I just naturally assumed people like her would need one to keep their sh** straight. Plus, i get the feeling Stevie doesn't *love* to be by herself. Also, stevie has always tried to be commercial. which as i stated previously, i don't mind. But my fav. parts of DR was when they were practicing music, i think it could've used a whole lot more of that. :nod:

I would have loved to see and hear much more music too, especially from the rehearsals... I can't believe they've played Storms and there wasn't a single second of it on the doc. :mad:

Romy

[amber]

She wasn't "by herself," she had the rest of the players with her. I was just shocked at how often that damned assistant was there. Check the studio logs and she'll probably log in more hours than Miss Nicks. :laugh: I don't think Stevie set out to be commercial or always wanted to be, I think that her rather abrupt success engrained in her mind that she had to continue pursuing the same kind of music that made her so successful, which just happened to get more commercial as the years wore on and she feared alienating her audience with different kinds of things. It's a shame, but most artists are like that.

DR sucks for the simple fact that it's all drama and nothing else. I wanted to hear and see the songs being constructed. What a missed opportunity that was. :nod:
I agree about missed opportunity. in the end, when they were practicing "world turning" for the show, i was like damn, the whole thing coulda been like this! :mad: But i disagree about Stevie not setting out to be commercial. From the evidence i've garnered, she always had her eyes on the prize...but the other prize was making good music, which i think she also always had her eyes on. but, whatever... :wavey: And I'm not sure she had a fear of alienating her audience, I think she mostly likes similar kinds of songs, and thinks of similar songs only. but hey, i could be wrong. doesn't seem likely, though :lol:

[amber]

I would have loved to see and hear much more music too, especially from the rehearsals... I can't believe they've played Storms and there wasn't a single second of it on the doc. :mad:

Romy
Omigosh, I didn't know that. well, now i'm even more pissed! :mad: :laugh:

[dissention]

I agree about missed opportunity. in the end, when they were practicing "world turning" for the show, i was like damn, the whole thing coulda been like this! :mad: But i disagree about Stevie not setting out to be commercial. From the evidence i've garnered, she always had her eyes on the prize...but the other prize was making good music, which i think she also always had her eyes on. but, whatever... :wavey: And I'm not sure she had a fear of alienating her audience, I think she mostly likes similar kinds of songs, and thinks of similar songs only. but hey, i could be wrong. doesn't seem likely, though :lol:

I don't think it's a case of her liking similar kinds of songs, I think it's a case of her only knowing two chords. :laugh:

She had a tough time getting a contract to release Bella Donna because everyone said it was too artsy and out-there. And there are demos out there where she calls her songs "artsy fartsy" and "weird." :shrug: Like I said, I don't think she set out to be commercial, I think she set out to be a star, a good songwriter, and a good singer. When she found a formula that worked, she stuck to it.

[madformac]

DR sucks for the simple fact that it's all drama and nothing else. I wanted to hear and see the songs being constructed. What a missed opportunity that was. :nod:

Yeah I agree, I was really looking forward to seeing how the process of recording the songs went... Instead we get some melodramatic bulls**t thats got a made for tv feel...

My one favorite moment was right at the start. Lindsey travis picking The Destiny Rules riff and saying "Schwing Maaaaannn" :laugh: :cool:

I would have liked to have seen more footage of Lindsey working on his solo album from 1995-97 included.

[amber]

I don't think it's a case of her liking similar kinds of songs, I think it's a case of her only knowing two chords. :laugh:

She had a tough time getting a contract to release Bella Donna because everyone said it was too artsy and out-there. And there are demos out there where she calls her songs "artsy fartsy" and "weird." :shrug: Like I said, I don't think she set out to be commercial, I think she set out to be a star, a good songwriter, and a good singer. When she found a formula that worked, she stuck to it.
ah, i thought "star" implied commerciality. I didn't know that about Bella Donna. but i think those songs are the same. I mean, the same as each other and the same as lots of stevie songs. But i guess i can infer that, if she wasn't thinking about making hits, a lot of her songs would be slow, rambling, and somewhat dull? :confused: If you can't tell, BellaDonna is my least fav.
lol at two chords... :laugh: But i'm not sure Stevie stuck to the formula on purpose. I think she just actually thinks, writes, and says the same things over and over. :shrug: I mean, i think she always writes in the same general web of consciousness. does that make sense?

[GypsySorcerer]

Just because I like their music, it doesn't mean that I like their egotistical behavior. ;)

I think the problem is that they've been sheltered and spoiled rock stars for so long that they have no sense of the real world, only what they've been exposed to for thirty years. Which is money, adoration, material things, and free reign to act however they want. I just have a problem relating to such spolied people, especially when they piss and moan about how they're doing it for the art (yet "pray to the commercial gods") and compare themselves to indie directors who make no money and live in two bedroom flats. I mean, get a clue. You people do not live on the same Earth that we common folk do and I just find the behavior more ridiculous and laughable than anything else. :)


Yet you wouldn't concede my point about hypocritical rich Democrats. :xoxo: :angel:

[dissention]

My one favorite moment was right at the start. Lindsey travis picking The Destiny Rules riff and saying "Schwing Maaaaannn" :laugh: :cool:

:laugh: That cracked me up.

I felt as if they were teasing us by showing us all the masters of different songs, yet never letting us even hear them in their early stages. :mad: But, this doc just goes to show you that this band thrives on the drama that made them famous and successful. An ingredient that they continue to milk today. They didn't really even talk about the songs, the inspirations, etc. The only things we heard of Lindsey's were Stevie adding her vocals to them. :shrug:

[dissention]

Yet you wouldn't concede my point about hypocritical rich Democrats. :xoxo: :angel:

Your whole premise is based on the fact that they're rich, though. :shrug: I'm not hurting for money, does that make me hypocritical for being a Democrat for so long? When I got my tax break, I donated all of it. Party affiliation is not as black and white as you make it out to be when it comes to that point. AND - your point is rather moot because anyone who isn't a Republican has a firm grasp of the real world.

[madformac]

:laugh: That cracked me up.

They didn't really even talk about the songs, the inspirations, etc. The only things we heard of Lindsey's were Stevie adding her vocals to them. :shrug:

I would have loved LB to explain to us his thoughts in detail on the inspiration behind Miranda, Come etc... We know the basics, I just would have loved to see LB's face and his pauses trying to find the right phrase... :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

I would have loved LB to explain to us his thoughts in detail on the inspiration behind Miranda, Come etc... We know the basics, I just would have loved to see LB's face and his pauses trying to find the right phrase... :laugh: :laugh:
LB pausing? oh, to come up with the perfectly worded pompous reply. of course. :laugh:

[madformac]

LB pausing? oh, to come up with the perfectly worded pompous reply. of course. :laugh:

LB pompous???

in LB's words (and high pitched trying to sound innocent voice).. "Jesus Christ man!"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

Your whole premise is based on the fact that they're rich, though. :shrug: I'm not hurting for money, does that make me hypocritical for being a Democrat for so long? When I got my tax break, I donated all of it. Party affiliation is not as black and white as you make it out to be when it comes to that point. AND - your point is rather moot because anyone who isn't a Republican has a firm grasp of the real world.

Can one be "corporate" and liberal/progressive simultaneously? Even though you are comfortable financially, you walk the walk of a liberal. Just because Lindsey donates to the ACLU and is anti-war, doesn't mean he's liberal on all counts. But we'll never see eye to eye on this. ;)

[amber]

LB pompous???

in LB's words (and high pitched trying to sound innocent voice).. "Jesus Christ man!"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: I totally remembered that part when you said it. He sounded so whiny/wussy there :laugh: thanks, macman! now i'm thinking of my mom making fun of him singing GYOW in whiny voice. :laugh: good times...

[dissention]

Can one be "corporate" and liberal/progressive simultaneously? Even though you are comfortable financially, you walk the walk of a liberal. Just because Lindsey donates to the ACLU and is anti-war, doesn't mean he's liberal on all counts. But we'll never see eye to eye on this. ;)

And I wouldn't presume to say he is. No one is a true progressive unless they actually work towards a goal and put their blood and tears into making good things happen. Donating money doesn't mean ****, you have to grab a sign and picket.

[GypsySorcerer]

Donating money doesn't mean ****, you have to grab a sign and picket.


That I agree with. :)

[amber]

And I wouldn't presume to say he is. No one is a true progressive unless they actually work towards a goal and put their blood and tears into making good things happen. Donating money doesn't mean ****, you have to grab a sign and picket.
I disagree. I think with the way the world works, and how things get done, that donating money can mean a lot. For instance, who would work at food kitchens if no one donated money for food? How would environmental lawyers bring things to court if they didn't have money? How would poorer politicians that we like even get their voice heard, and compete at all without donations? How would planned parenthood offer free services to people that need it without money? I could donate blood, sweat and tears, but i certainly can't manufactur birth control pills or perform abortions. :shrug: I think a combo of both is good. :wavey:

[madformac]

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: I totally remembered that part when you said it. He sounded so whiny/wussy there :laugh: thanks, macman! now i'm thinking of my mom making fun of him singing GYOW in whiny voice. :laugh: good times...

I said that line (Jesus Christ man!) in LB's "high pitched squeak" to Seteca a few weeks back and cracked him up! by doing it. :laugh: :laugh:

I think LB is a great artist but he cracks me up with the innocent look and high voiced defensive stand when anybody criticises him. It's priceless

For instance, "Look at that filmmaker, what's his name" High pitched reply to Mick about doing the "artistic thing" with a double album.. Wonderful stuff... :laugh:

[madformac]

And I wouldn't presume to say he is. No one is a true progressive unless they actually work towards a goal and put their blood and tears into making good things happen. Donating money doesn't mean ****, you have to grab a sign and picket.


I think donating money is good as long as you check out the places its going to and are happy with your choice. A balance is required for sure.

It's like Live Aid, which I've been watching again this week. It took blood, sweat and tears by Geldof and the rest of the artists involved to make it happen, but without the donations from those who couldn't do anything else but donate money to help it wouldn't have achieved anything..

[ricohv]

I'm gonna go back a bit to the posts about Stevie praying to the commercial gods:
What's wrong with that? I don't think in any way she was inferring "let me be a radio star splashed about in the media like Britney or myself back in the day!"
I think it was more like "after all this time and work, please let us still have an audience".
And she might have been thinking: we are minus Christine and Lindsey is going out on a limb again(and this isn't 1979), will that put people off? So she wrote a song that sounded like a radio hit...maybe with hit potential in mind (SYW), but isn't that what this incarnation of Fleetwood Mac is famous for, well crafted, radio friendly pop-rock? Of course she'd pray for success, what else would she pray for, that Lindsey feels artistically satisfied? Let him pray for that himself.
And the part about her assistant: I do agree she always seems to want to have people around. She had the band, but without Christine she probably didn't feel she really had someone from her camp. And she does, and always has, complained about dominant men in the music business. She projects a somewhat fragile, passive personna e.g. comments about not liking organizing the solo tours because she "doesn't like being the boss and having to make all the decisions". And judging by Lindsey's past & present dominant behavior, I'm surprised any of them want to work with him again. Except they do know his creative part in the band as the architect of their sound, which makes me think Stevie was obviously not the only one praying to the gods of commerce. You know Mick probably sold his soul to the devil to make the tour such a huge success, after his prayers to the gods of commerce weren't answered for his film career or his auction business or his wine selling, etc. etc.

[Hawkeye]

Your whole premise is based on the fact that they're rich, though. :shrug: I'm not hurting for money, does that make me hypocritical for being a Democrat for so long? When I got my tax break, I donated all of it. Party affiliation is not as black and white as you make it out to be when it comes to that point. AND - your point is rather moot because anyone who isn't a Republican has a firm grasp of the real world.

Well may I point out that the one band member who you said you liked in the Documentary is a Republican :lol: :laugh: :lol:

[sodascouts]

DR sucks for the simple fact that it's all drama and nothing else. I wanted to hear and see the songs being constructed. What a missed opportunity that was. :nod:

I was disappointed we didn't get to see the REAL fights. The one that Mick refers to at the end, where he acts like the Mac might not even do an extended tour. The one that was supposedly about "running order." Now THAT would have been drama. What we got was some nice conversations and maybe a couple times where a voice was raised for a couple sentences before all was hunky dory again. The reason I like the emotional moment where Lindsey cries was because it was one of the few times where "This is on camera" was not playing in the back of their heads.

[amber]

I was disappointed we didn't get to see the REAL fights. The one that Mick refers to at the end, where he acts like the Mac might not even do an extended tour. The one that was supposedly about "running order." Now THAT would have been drama. What we got was some nice conversations and maybe a couple times where a voice was raised for a couple sentences before all was hunky dory again. The reason I like the emotional moment where Lindsey cries was because it was one of the few times where "This is on camera" was not playing in the back of their heads.
Thank you, I agree! If they're gonna have drama, at least give us the good stuff! :laugh:

[dissention]

I'm gonna go back a bit to the posts about Stevie praying to the commercial gods:
What's wrong with that? I don't think in any way she was inferring "let me be a radio star splashed about in the media like Britney or myself back in the day!"
I think it was more like "after all this time and work, please let us still have an audience".
And she might have been thinking: we are minus Christine and Lindsey is going out on a limb again(and this isn't 1979), will that put people off? So she wrote a song that sounded like a radio hit...maybe with hit potential in mind (SYW), but isn't that what this incarnation of Fleetwood Mac is famous for, well crafted, radio friendly pop-rock? Of course she'd pray for success, what else would she pray for, that Lindsey feels artistically satisfied? Let him pray for that himself.
And the part about her assistant: I do agree she always seems to want to have people around. She had the band, but without Christine she probably didn't feel she really had someone from her camp. And she does, and always has, complained about dominant men in the music business. She projects a somewhat fragile, passive personna e.g. comments about not liking organizing the solo tours because she "doesn't like being the boss and having to make all the decisions". And judging by Lindsey's past & present dominant behavior, I'm surprised any of them want to work with him again. Except they do know his creative part in the band as the architect of their sound, which makes me think Stevie was obviously not the only one praying to the gods of commerce. You know Mick probably sold his soul to the devil to make the tour such a huge success, after his prayers to the gods of commerce weren't answered for his film career or his auction business or his wine selling, etc. etc.

Yup, Stevie is a goddess and everyone else sucks. :woohoo:

[amber]

Yup, Stevie is a goddess and everyone else sucks. :woohoo:
You know he's right... :D :thumbsup:

[dissention]

You know he's right... :D :thumbsup:

As right as Ann Coulter when she says the sky isn't blue. :p

[amber]

As right as Ann Coulter when she says the sky isn't blue. :p
oh, please... :rolleyes: SUCH a reach...

[Somajoseph]

I truly think Lindsey has always been the most pretentious and shallow when it comes to calling the shots as they are. He talks about spontaneity, yet possesses none, and all that starving artist bull**** just rings false. Remember Stevie is the one who supported them both when they moved to Los Angeles in the early 70's, and he's never held a real job since. Granted, he is a wonderful arranger, producer, and guitarist-not a great singer though-but he's basically full of pretension. Stevie has always seemed alot more honest, except for when she was using.

[amber]

I truly think Lindsey has always been the most pretentious and shallow when it comes to calling the shots as they are. He talks about spontaneity, yet possesses none, and all that starving artist bull**** just rings false. Remember Stevie is the one who supported them both when they moved to Los Angeles in the early 70's, and he's never held a real job since. Granted, he is a wonderful arranger, producer, and guitarist-not a great singer though-but he's basically full of pretension. Stevie has always seemed alot more honest, except for when she was using.
:nod: Also, Stevie is actually spontaneous... :D

[Johnny Stew]

Not that it matters, but my opinion on it has always been that they each have their prima donna moments. Creative people are a mercurial lot, no matter how you slice it. There's always a degree of egotism and stubbornness.

I'd bet there have been times throughout the years when every last one of them (including John) have been downright insufferable about something... a lyric, a guitar part, an out of tune piano, the way the bass line should be played, how the drums are mixed, the running order, a song that was dropped, etc., etc.

In this particular documentary, Stevie came off as more flexible and willing to compromise than Lindsey did, in my opinion. But a documentary about 'Mirage,' for example, might have shown the opposite.

One of the best observations Lindsey has ever made, is that "no one falls into a simple set of labels."

[Johnny Stew]

Yup, Stevie is a goddess and everyone else sucks. :woohoo:

That's not what he was saying, and you know it. :p
He was stating the opinion that, whether we saw it on camera or not, Stevie isn't the only one who might pray to the commercial gods for the project to be well received.
I don't see any instance in his post where he was saying Stevie was better than anyone else, or, more importantly, where he said she was perfect... and, yet, anytime someone offers a view of Stevie's behaviour that isn't intrinsically negative, you automatically dismiss them as being a mindless lemming.

That view suffers as much from tunnel vision as that of those who think Stevie is without imperfection. :p ;) :xoxo:

[takenbythesky]

Not that it matters, but my opinion on it has always been that they each have their prima donna moments. Creative people are a mercurial lot, no matter how you slice it. There's always a degree of egotism and stubbornness.

I'd bet there have been times throughout the years when every last one of them (including John) have been downright insufferable about something... a lyric, a guitar part, an out of tune piano, the way the bass line should be played, how the drums are mixed, the running order, a song that was dropped, etc., etc.

In this particular documentary, Stevie came off as more flexible and willing to compromise than Lindsey did, in my opinion. But a documentary about 'Mirage,' for example, might have shown the opposite.

One of the best observations Lindsey has ever made, is that "no one falls into a simple set of labels."

Agreed. :nod:

For whatever it's worth...A couple years ago Stevie and Lindsey's alma mater, Menlo Atherton, had a 50th anniversary celebration or something like that. My father happens to teach there. He talked to a woman who was at the school at the same time as Lindsey and Stevie. She said she just remembered them as a couple of weird kids who always were on the front steps, practicing playing their guitars constantly. No pretense, no haughtiness; they didn't think they were better than anyone else. Apparently, people even made fun of Stevie and Lindsey.

I have yet to see Destiny Rules, and I sincerely doubt that there is any content on the DVD that will make me dislike any of the members. Each has their own ego and pride. Each has their positives and negatives. They're wealthy superstars but they are still human.

Mick is money-hungry. Lindsey is pompous. Stevie is eccentric. John is a Republican. :shrug: Frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way. The mix of personalities helped give birth to some of the best music of the past thirty years. All sixteen(?) members of Fleetwood Mac (especially Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Bob Welch, Lindsey Buckingham, and Stevie Nicks) have changed my life through their musical contributions. I'm forever thankful for that. Far as I'm concerned, they can go their own ways.

Maybe I'm just naiive. That's my two cents worth.

-Justin

[ricohv]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
Yup, Stevie is a goddess and everyone else sucks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

That's not what he was saying, and you know it.
He was stating the opinion that, whether we saw it on camera or not, Stevie isn't the only one who might pray to the commercial gods for the project to be well received.
I don't see any instance in his post where he was saying Stevie was better than anyone else, or, more importantly, where he said she was perfect... and, yet, anytime someone offers a view of Stevie's behaviour that isn't intrinsically negative, you automatically dismiss them as being a mindless lemming.

That view suffers as much from tunnel vision as that of those who think Stevie is without imperfection.

Well Johnny Stew, thanks for coming to my defense, but really, what I meant to say is : STEVIE IS A GODDESS AND EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS. Admit it Johnny, you feel the same way, too ;) !
Just kidding-I really was trying to say-they were all praying to the gods of commerce, who in their right mind wouldn't? Then I threw in my inflammatory bit about Lindsey (I'm surprised any of them want to work with him again) , just because I like to and I can! But I did try to be realistic about the near-perfect Ms. Nicks (...she does, and always has, complained about dominant men in the music business. She projects a somewhat fragile, passive personna...)
And Somajoseph, in regards to your comment "Remember Stevie is the one who supported them both when they moved to Los Angeles in the early 70's"
I say "Right right!". And don't forget she sewed stars on his jeans. Do you think he has ever so much as scotch-guarded a pair of her boots or steamed any of her chiffon? Doubtful! :lol:

[dissention]

He talks about spontaneity, yet possesses none, and all that starving artist bull**** just rings false.

:thumbsup: I agree completely.

[dissention]

:nod: Also, Stevie is actually spontaneous... :D

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, and Jerry Falwell is a liberal.

[amber]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, and Jerry Falwell is a liberal.
She has, on many vocal occasions throughout her lifetime, been spontaneous.

[HomerMcvie]

She has, on many vocal occasions throughout her lifetime, been spontaneous.
Maybe it was the coke allowing her to be spontaneous? I don't recall the same lame, tired hand gestures EVERY night to the same songs. Zzzzzzzz..... :eek: :D

[dissention]

She has, on many vocal occasions throughout her lifetime, been spontaneous.

Vocal occasions? :laugh: Bless your heart, Amber. Changing a few lines because you can't remember them isn't exactly spontaneous.

[madformac]

Vocal occasions? :laugh: Bless your heart, Amber. Changing a few lines because you can't remember them isn't exactly spontaneous.

I think the term is "stoned" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

I think the term is "stoned" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:laugh: :nod: :xoxo:

Then there are the latter-day lyric flubs like Stop Draggin' from the Shine Club show with Sheryl. Can we say drunk? :D

[madformac]

Does Stevie use a teleprompter?

I can't recall ever seeing one on stage in front of her so I suppose she can forget the odd line (after taking the odd line that is ;) :laugh: )

I always found it funny that Axl Rose needed to be reminded of his own lyrics during the GNR shows...

[dissention]

Maybe it was the coke allowing her to be spontaneous? I don't recall the same lame, tired hand gestures EVERY night to the same songs. Zzzzzzzz..... :eek: :D

Or those "robotic" movements that one critic pointed out. :laugh:

[dissention]

Does Stevie use a teleprompter?

I can't recall ever seeing one on stage in front of her so I suppose she can forget the odd line (after taking the odd line that is ;) :laugh: )

I always found it funny that Axl Rose needed to be reminded of his own lyrics during the GNR shows...

I don't think so.

If you can't even remember your own songs, I have no use for ya. Must be why I can't stand Axl Rose. :laugh:

[amber]

Vocal occasions? :laugh: Bless your heart, Amber. Changing a few lines because you can't remember them isn't exactly spontaneous.
that's not what i'm talking about and you know it...she used to sing things differently a lot. so hush, you know i'm right. that's why everyone has different versions of shows and all that. hello?

[madformac]

that's not what i'm talking about and you know it...she used to sing things differently a lot. so hush, you know i'm right. that's why everyone has different versions of shows and all that. hello?

I think there were probably numerous time, especially around the Tusk tour when Stevie changed her lyrics a little maybe as a direct result of her relationship with Lindsey... Lindsey certainly dropped the "real savage like" bit of Tusk due to the wishes of Mick and Stevie so maybe this was a factor..

Stevie sings, it's what she does, singing and writing, she's not a musician as such like the rest of them so I suppose her changing the lyrics is a bit like LB changing a guitar solo, which we've heard many times over the tours.

If you play the same stuff every single night I guess you are bound to change it unless you want to go nuts... I can't even play a guitar solo the same every time, I have to change it to keep interested so looking at it from that angle I can see your point.

:thumbsup:

[dissention]

that's not what i'm talking about and you know it...she used to sing things differently a lot. so hush, you know i'm right. that's why everyone has different versions of shows and all that. hello?

Hello!

I don't understand what you mean by her being spontaneous because "she used to sing things differently," so no, I don't know that you're right. ;)

She used to sing things differently because a) she was doped up all the time and b) because she had a larger range. That still has nothing to do with being spontaneous. Take away the drugs and the flexible voice and you get the Stevie of the nineties and today.

[madformac]

Hello!

b) because she had a larger range.

I'd agree that the more limited vocal range Stevie has these days, which is undeniable, has stifled a certain amount of creativity in her singing which is understandable. Better to play safe than try something that might lead to your voice cracking at the wrong moment...

[dissention]

I'd agree that the more limited vocal range Stevie has these days, which is undeniable, has stifled a certain amount of creativity in her singing which is understandable. Better to play safe than try something that might lead to your voice cracking at the wrong moment...

Therein lies the problem. If she was an opera singer, I'd buy that argument. But she's a rock star. Live rock shows aren't about perfection or sounding magnificent on every note. It's about putting on a good show. Her RAL tour vocals were absolutely abysmal, but no one paid attention to any of that because the performances were so energetic and magical. She needs to understand that she doesn't have to stand in one place with perfect posture in order to hit a note perfectly. When she does that, she's dull, IMO. There are ways in which to let loose on songs without hurting your vocal chords.

[madformac]

Therein lies the problem. If she was an opera singer, I'd buy that argument. But she's a rock star. Live rock shows aren't about perfection or sounding magnificent on every note. It's about putting on a good show. Her RAL tour vocals were absolutely abysmal, but no one paid attention to any of that because the performances were so energetic and magical. She needs to understand that she doesn't have to stand in one place with perfect posture in order to hit a note perfectly. When she does that, she's dull, IMO. There are ways in which to let loose on songs without hurting your vocal chords.

I'd agree with that to an extent but she's not a youngster anymore. Her audiences have matured with her (yes I know she has younger fans but thats not my point here) and they I believe would prefer vocal perfection over energetic. You are not supposed to be energetic in your fifties (nobody told Lindsey!) She's a woman with a hip problem, add to that the menopause too and I'm amazed she's even been out on the road. To be honest I would rather take Stevie as she is now than her trying to recapture her youth, she's far more graceful than say, for instance, Cher. For Stevie to go full out energetic I don't think would work now, she's nearing retirement age!

[amber]

Hello!

I don't understand what you mean by her being spontaneous because "she used to sing things differently," so no, I don't know that you're right. ;)

She used to sing things differently because a) she was doped up all the time and b) because she had a larger range. That still has nothing to do with being spontaneous. Take away the drugs and the flexible voice and you get the Stevie of the nineties and today.
How do you know? She might be doing all kinds of things today if her voice were flexible, and if she was as mobile as she was before. You can't say for sure it's the drugs...IMO. I think she was really vocally spontaneous. Drugs don't give you whole new skills that you didn't have at all before. She had a great voice and she used it spontaneously (harmonies) and well.

[dissention]

How do you know? She might be doing all kinds of things today if her voice were flexible, and if she was as mobile as she was before. You can't say for sure it's the drugs...IMO. I think she was really vocally spontaneous. Drugs don't give you whole new skills that you didn't have at all before. She had a great voice and she used it spontaneously (harmonies) and well.

If you want to circumvent reality to aid your argument, that's fine by me. But a careful inspection of her live performances tell a different story. The whole "vocally spontaneous" argument is just laughable to me, anyways. If I were to buy it, I could use the same argument for Lindsey.

[amber]

If you want to circumvent reality to aid your argument, that's fine by me. But a careful inspection of her live performances tell a different story. The whole "vocally spontaneous" argument is just laughable to me, anyways. If I were to buy it, I could use the same argument for Lindsey.
I can't believe you deny she used to be vocally spontaneous. It boggles my mind. I think you're the one who is circumventing reality by saying, well, it was because of this and that. It still existed, she was spontaneous, I don't really care why. so, nyeah! :xoxo:

[dissention]

I'd agree with that to an extent but she's not a youngster anymore. Her audiences have matured with her (yes I know she has younger fans but thats not my point here) and they I believe would prefer vocal perfection over energetic. You are not supposed to be energetic in your fifties (nobody told Lindsey!) She's a woman with a hip problem, add to that the menopause too and I'm amazed she's even been out on the road. To be honest I would rather take Stevie as she is now than her trying to recapture her youth, she's far more graceful than say, for instance, Cher. For Stevie to go full out energetic I don't think would work now, she's nearing retirement age!

I agree, but wanting little more energy and enthusiasm than she has now is not an unrealistic expectation.

I don't think she's "more graceful" than Cher because what Cher's currently doing has been her schtick for forty years and it really hasn't changed much, if at all. Stevie's still doing the same schtick, but it's just gotten more rote and tired because she insists on hanging onto her youthfulness while not being able to be as energetic, unlike performers like Cher. That's just my opinion, though. I think that Stevie could recapture a lot of her magic if she performed different songs, ditched the Lindsey drama and the canned speeches and movements. Inject some freshness into all of it, revitalize it. She doesn't have to swing from the rafters wearing a tube top and panties in order to do so. She doesn't have to run about the stage stripping off her clothes, either. If she can't handle singing the high energy songs, don't sing them. Bring out some old chestnuts like Storms and make the show more intimate. If you can't wear platforms, don't wear them. Don't wear ridiculous, laughable things such as those Reeboks in order to substitute for not being able to wear the real deal. Be practical and just wear regular shoes instead of turning it all into a ridiculous joke. Just don't wear the same outfit every night, sing the songs the same way every night, or spin around in platform Reeboks and still expect to be considered a great performer like you were back in the day. Just scale it all down. If others like that, fine, to each his own. I just think she needs to freshen everything up and if she does so, it would only mean positive things. :woohoo:

[dissention]

I can't believe you deny she used to be vocally spontaneous. It boggles my mind. I think you're the one who is circumventing reality by saying, well, it was because of this and that. It still existed, she was spontaneous, I don't really care why. so, nyeah! :xoxo:

Yeah, because drugs had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Like I said, being spontaneous is not changing a line in Rhiannon every few weeks on tour. If you think so, great. I don't. So, nyeah! :xoxo:

[madformac]

She doesn't have to swing from the rafters wearing a tube top and panties in order to do so. She doesn't have to run about the stage stripping off her clothes, either.

Oooh, what shows have you been to recently? :blob1: :] :blob2:

I'm obviously following the wrong artists!! :lol: :lol:

[amber]

Yeah, because drugs had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Like I said, being spontaneous is not changing a line in Rhiannon every few weeks on tour. If you think so, great. I don't. So, nyeah! :xoxo:
:laugh: :laugh: I don't care if drugs had something to do with it. Fact is, most live vocal performances i heard from back in the day each had different nuances, sometimes different timing and different harmonies. SOTM is a good example. The Chain is a good example. Rhiannon is a good example. I'm not really talking about changing lines, necessarily :shrug: I've just heard a ton of things where she sounds different every time. :xoxo:

[dissention]

:laugh: :laugh: I don't care if drugs had something to do with it. Fact is, most live vocal performances i heard from back in the day each had different nuances, sometimes different timing and different harmonies. SOTM is a good example. The Chain is a good example. Rhiannon is a good example. I'm not really talking about changing lines, necessarily :shrug: I've just heard a ton of things where she sounds different every time. :xoxo:

She's obviously not going to sound the same on each song every time, especially when you're doing as much damage to your voice as she did. :shrug: To say that the songs sound different because she's singing them differently on purpose just doesn't make sense in the big picture. Maybe she did here and there, who the hell knows, she very well could have. But I attribute it to not knowing how to sing properly for years most of the time. Start collecting audio boots from the past thirty years and listen to them, it only becomes more obvious.

She had a different voice for each album. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

If you can't wear platforms, don't wear them. Don't wear ridiculous, laughable things such as those Reeboks in order to substitute for not being able to wear the real deal. Be practical and just wear regular shoes instead of turning it all into a ridiculous joke.

Amen!! Those shoes are incredibly hideous. I really have NO CLUE why she wears them. NONE. WHY STEVIE WHY?!!

[dissention]

Amen!! Those shoes are incredibly hideous. I really have NO CLUE why she wears them. NONE. WHY STEVIE WHY?!!

Maybe she has a Napolean complex (who wouldn't with Mick Fleetwood around you 24/7?) and wants them for the added height. :laugh:

[madformac]

She's obviously not going to sound the same on each song every time, especially when you're doing as much damage to your voice as she did. :shrug: To say that the songs sound different because she's singing them differently on purpose just doesn't make sense in the big picture. Maybe she did here and there, who the hell knows, she very well could have. But I attribute it to not knowing how to sing properly for years most of the time. Start collecting audio boots from the past thirty years and listen to them, it only becomes more obvious.

She had a different voice for each album. :laugh:

I would tend to disagree here... The timing thing is a major issue.. The Chain from the '82 Mirage show wouldn't have been anywhere near as powerful if the timing of the words had not differed from the norm. (I'm using blue for LB, red for Stevie) "and if you don't love me now" " you do not lovvvveee me nowwww" "you will never never never never love me again, I can still hear you saying" " hear you saying" "you will never break" "never break" "never break the chain" "Arrggghhhhhhhhhhaaaa"

[dissention]

I would tend to disagree here... The timing thing is a major issue.. The Chain from the '82 Mirage show wouldn't have been anywhere near as powerful if the timing of the words had not differed from the norm. (I'm using blue for LB, red for Stevie) "and if you don't love me now" " you do not lovvvveee me nowwww" "you will never never never never love me again, I can still hear you saying" " hear you saying" "you will never break" "never break" "never break the chain" "Arrggghhhhhhhhhhaaaa"

That is the best performance of The Chain ever.

I love watching it, it's obvious that they were so wasted. The intensity of it is rather chilling. :nod:

On another note, I wasn't speaking of timing, I'm speaking about how she used her voice.

[madformac]

That is the best performance of The Chain ever.

I love watching it, it's obvious that they were so wasted. The intensity of it is rather chilling. :nod:

On another note, I wasn't speaking of timing, I'm speaking about how she used her voice.

Yes the "intensity" and the "energy" but also the timing and the word play between the two singers..

I'm gonna have to award a tie between the two of you guys here... :D :D :wavey:

p.s I'm just listening to the Oakland 1982 show from the night before the famous LA gig and I have to say Stevie is playing with the words very differently right now during "Dreams" :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

If one considers spontaneity to mean different setlists every night of a tour, then, no, Stevie Nicks is not spontaneous. She's also not going to be very spontaneous in what she wears.

However, Stevie has been in the past... though less so now... vocally spontaneous. One can attribute that to drugs, but she wasn't coked out when she first joined Fleetwood Mac, and yet she was already singing things differently from show to show.

Her lyric changes have also often seemed more like a product of the song evolving as she goes through life, than stemming from an inability to remember the lyrics (though she has stumbled from time to time over the years -- which I'm sure all performers have).

Very, very few performers are wholly spontaneous... their in-between songs banter is often the same night after night, with only mild ad-libbing (Cher had Bruce Vilanch write most of hers! Bette tells similar jokes at similar points during her shows, etc.), or their dance moves are tightly choreographed, or they wear certain outfits for certain songs, etc., etc.

Even Lindsey's more "spontaneous" actions on the 'Say You Will' tour were the same night after night. We all knew he was going to "tusk" John and shadow-box with Stevie, we all knew he'd swing his guitar cord around like a lasso, we knew he'd dry hump some imaginary lover at the start of "Stand Back," and that he'd go down to the edge of the stage and let the crowd strum his guitar during the end of "Go Your Own Way", etc., etc.
We even knew he'd give his well-rehearsed speech about being spontaneous! :laugh:

But knowing what he'd do, didn't make it any less fun or exciting. :shrug:

I think Stevie is still a captivating performer, whether I "know what she's going to do before she does it," or not.
Plus, most people who attend shows don't attend multiple shows on each tour, or haven't attended a show at every tour Stevie/FM has done since they became a fan... so for them, familiarity has not bred contempt.

[sparky]

You are not supposed to be energetic in your fifties (nobody told Lindsey!)

I certainly hope you are being facetious. If not, why don't we all get put to sleep at 49 ? Age is an excuse. I have an 87 year old friend who rows 2 miles a night, does 4 miles on a stationary bike as well, and she gardens. With 2 artificial hips. The exception ? Perhaps. She decided a long time ago she didn't want to slow down, and that's that. I hope I have half that enegry at 60.

[dissention]

I certainly hope you are being facetious. If not, why don't we all get put to sleep at 49 ? Age is an excuse. I have an 87 year old friend who rows 2 miles a night, does 4 miles on a stationary bike as well, and she gardens. With 2 artificial hips. The exception ? Perhaps. She decided a long time ago she didn't want to slow down, and that's that. I hope I have half that enegry at 60.

:nod:

The "seniors" of today are not content to sit back and twiddle their thumbs anymore. New census reports show them migrating to the big cities (LA, Boston, New York, Chicago) and enjoying city life instead of going to places like Miami. It's changing the face of senior citizenship. ;)

[Serrart]

I think the concept of performer is open as the ocean, and is strongly influenced from person to person by culture, personal tastes, desires, etc.

For me a real, unforgettable musical performer is an artist who has the talent to amaze me with his/her vocal ability, that doesn't have to be linked necessary to a wide range, but definitely to the use of his/her voice and stage persona:
1) to let the audience feel through the music, in the strongest way, emotions, sensations, memories, thoughts, or the blissful absence of them (that's equally important :p );

2)to bring me out of my everyday's life for a while, and at the same time making me part of a strong sense of belonging.

I consider Stevie Nicks, now more than ever, such a performer. :thumbsup:

Moreover, in this specific case, to be at one of her shows, would represent for me also, the chance to listen to one of the best songwriters around, but again, that's just my opinion. :)

Romy

[Johnny Stew]

I certainly hope you are being facetious. If not, why don't we all get put to sleep at 49 ? Age is an excuse. I have an 87 year old friend who rows 2 miles a night, does 4 miles on a stationary bike as well, and she gardens. With 2 artificial hips. The exception ? Perhaps. She decided a long time ago she didn't want to slow down, and that's that. I hope I have half that enegry at 60.

But... I wonder if there was a time, during the onset of menopause, when she had to learn to adapt to the way her body was changing. A period where perhaps she had to learn how to work around new aches and pains, etc.

You know what I mean?

I'm suggesting that perhaps we're seeing Stevie in a transitional phase, as she's learning how to pace herself and work around fatigue and physical limitations.
I've watched as my mother and my aunts... who have all been very physically active women... have been going through that very same thing for the past several years now.
And I know they've talked about how my grandmother slowed down for a period around their ages, but then after she got through it, there was no stopping her again.

[madformac]

I certainly hope you are being facetious. If not, why don't we all get put to sleep at 49 ? Age is an excuse. I have an 87 year old friend who rows 2 miles a night, does 4 miles on a stationary bike as well, and she gardens. With 2 artificial hips. The exception ? Perhaps. She decided a long time ago she didn't want to slow down, and that's that. I hope I have half that enegry at 60.

:rolleyes:

It was my british sense of humour coming through once more, unfortunately it doesn't translate as well on paper, and translates even less well in American circles.. Sorry for my wit.

Golf was invented for this very reason... Many think it was a sport invented in St Andrews, Scotland as a game of skill.... Nah... No no no no nooooo... It was really invented because when football, hockey, basketball and other energetic sports become a little too frantic for the human body to endure anymore, the joints etc... Golf becomes a healthy exercise of body and mind at a more accomodating pace... :]

It's great that an 87 year old is doing such physical things.. Great to keep physically sharp in the advancing years but I doubt she'll be doing the hundred in less than 13 seconds anytime soon :shrug:


I can't speak for you but I have no intention of being put down at 49, I also have no intention of playing football at running back at 49 either.. There are things you just don't do...

:wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

I think the concept of performer is open as the ocean, and is strongly influenced from person to person by culture, personal tastes, desires, etc.

For me a real, unforgettable musical performer is an artist who has the talent to amaze me with his/her vocal ability, that doesn't have to be linked necessary to a wide range, but definitely to the use of his/her voice and stage persona:
1) to let the audience feel through the music, in the strongest way, emotions, sensations, memories, thoughts, or the blissful absence of them (that's equally important :p );

2)to bring me out of my everyday's life for a while, and at the same time making me part of a strong sense of belonging.

I consider Stevie Nicks, now more than ever, such a performer. :thumbsup:

Moreover, in this specific case, to be at one of her shows, would represent for me also, the chance to listen to one of the best songwriters around, but again, that's just my opinion. :)

Romy

Excellent post.... hear, hear, Romy! :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

I can't speak for you but I have no intention of being put down at 49, I also have no intention of playing football at running back at 49 either.. There are things you just don't do...

Not unless you want to be stiff and sore for five day afterwards, that is! :laugh:

[madformac]

Not unless you want to be stiff and sore for five day afterwards, that is! :laugh:

You get that from being a running back at 29!!!!! :laugh: :laugh:

[diamondsnake]

Yup, Stevie is a goddess and everyone else sucks. :woohoo:

Truer words were never spoken.

Stevie may not be "spontanious" but she certainly has a magic or an energy that can not be put into words. It seems like Dissention is not capable of saying anything positive about Stevie- but that's okay. I think Stevie is the greatest performer of all time (and I know I am not the only one who thinks that) and I thank God that she is still touring and making records. Not to mention the fact that she still puts on a killer show and writes beautiful music today. I've only seen Fleetwood Mac four times but every single show was amazing and each one was a different experience. Stevie rocks, plain and simple. Maybe I am a tad obsessed with her but better to be obsessed with Stevie Nicks then say... Eminem (like so many people my age today are!)

[takenbythesky]

Amen!! Those shoes are incredibly hideous. I really have NO CLUE why she wears them. NONE. WHY STEVIE WHY?!!

I lost my ability to walk two years ago. Since, I have been working hard at physical therapy 2-3 times each week, relearning the nuances of balance and muscle control, etc. As such, I happen to notice people's gaits when they are walking...

On June 29th, I noticed that Miss Nicks has difficulty in getting around. I'm certain that drug abuse has done damage to her constitution. In fact, she walks not unlike my mother, a woman of the same age who has progressive multiple sclerosis. It amazes me that Stevie is able to get out and tour in the manner that she has.

When someone has trouble walking, they CANNOT wear just any shoes. The Reeboks are probably just the most comfortable and allow her to get around easiest; they are practical. Being able to wear attractive shoes and walk around well is, in my mind, a luxury. Whether one has to wear an orthopedic device while walking or plain athletic shoes while performing, it isn't much fun at all.

But that's just me...

-Justin

[amber]

I lost my ability to walk two years ago. Since, I have been working hard at physical therapy 2-3 times each week, relearning the nuances of balance and muscle control, etc. As such, I happen to notice people's gaits when they are walking...

On June 29th, I noticed that Miss Nicks has difficulty in getting around. I'm certain that drug abuse has done damage to her constitution. In fact, she walks not unlike my mother, a woman of the same age who has progressive multiple sclerosis. It amazes me that Stevie is able to get out and tour in the manner that she has.

When someone has trouble walking, they CANNOT wear just any shoes. The Reeboks are probably just the most comfortable and allow her to get around easiest; they are practical. Being able to wear attractive shoes and walk around well is, in my mind, a luxury. Whether one has to wear an orthopedic device while walking or plain athletic shoes while performing, it isn't much fun at all.

But that's just me...

-Justin
Hello, thank you! :xoxo: I'm one of the few who does not give a rat's a** if stevie wears boks. The shoes are not the show, my friends... :D

[dissention]

Hello, thank you! :xoxo: I'm one of the few who does not give a rat's a** if stevie wears boks. The shoes are not the show, my friends... :D

The shoes are not the show, the whole package is the show. And I, personally, am not a huge fan of her current show. The shoes are laughable, the clothes border on parody, besides for a few songs she's rather immobile, sometimes she doesn't even look like she's enjoying herself, and most of the time she sings rather listlessly. She's clinging onto the same image and display that she's been putting on for the past thirty years and she just can't do it justice anymore. Like I said earlier, there are ways in which to change that and for her to get all the magic back. If she can't sing the high-energy songs, don't. Break out some old songs that never saw the light of day that don't require you to strain for notes; make the show more intimate instead attempting to make it bombastic and failing. Wear simpler outfits and concentrate less on appearance and more on making a show special and not hurting your hip. She doesn't have to spin in circles or do high kicks, she needs to concentrate on the thing sthat make her great: the songs. Make everything else take a backseat. If you can't be like you used to be, don't try to be. Change stuff around and make it fresher. Who among us would be mightily disappointed to hear her do an acoustic version of Crystal instead of another boring retread of Dreams? Or how about hauling out Storms and singing it with nice harmonies from Lindsey instead of Don't Stop? Inject some vitality into it.

[wondergirl9847]

Change stuff around and make it fresher. Who among us would be mightily disappointed to hear her do an acoustic version of Crystal instead of another boring retread of Dreams? Or how about hauling out Storms and singing it with nice harmonies from Lindsey instead of Don't Stop? Inject some vitality into it.

Amen and amen! I'd kill to see her do Storms! Crystal...not so much, as I didn't like the Practical Magic version. Leave that song to Lindsey, thankyaverymuch.

I would love for them to have an acoustic part in their set anyways.

Oh, and Lindsey, please bring back Go Insane and drop Big Love. :nod:

[amber]

The shoes are not the show, the whole package is the show. And I, personally, am not a huge fan of her current show. The shoes are laughable, the clothes border on parody, besides for a few songs she's rather immobile, sometimes she doesn't even look like she's enjoying herself, and most of the time she sings rather listlessly. She's clinging onto the same image and display that she's been putting on for the past thirty years and she just can't do it justice anymore. Like I said earlier, there are ways in which to change that and for her to get all the magic back. If she can't sing the high-energy songs, don't. Break out some old songs that never saw the light of day that don't require you to strain for notes; make the show more intimate instead attempting to make it bombastic and failing. Wear simpler outfits and concentrate less on appearance and more on making a show special and not hurting your hip. She doesn't have to spin in circles or do high kicks, she needs to concentrate on the thing sthat make her great: the songs. Make everything else take a backseat. If you can't be like you used to be, don't try to be. Change stuff around and make it fresher. Who among us would be mightily disappointed to hear her do an acoustic version of Crystal instead of another boring retread of Dreams? Or how about hauling out Storms and singing it with nice harmonies from Lindsey instead of Don't Stop? Inject some vitality into it.
:rolleyes: mreow! hisss!! *spit*...

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, and Lindsey, please bring back Go Insane and drop Big Love. :nod:
I'd rather hear Trouble myself. I thought BL and GI were both not done justice. Big Love would kick ass with the band version.

[madformac]

I thought BL and GI were both not done justice.

:shocked: :confused: :shocked: :confused:

[dissention]

:shocked: :confused: :shocked: :confused:

I love them, especially Go Insane, but Big Love needs to hit the road or come back as a full-on band version. I'll gladly listen to it on The Dance or some bootleg if the mood strikes, but it's just clutter in the setlist. But, I guess it's Lindsey's Rhiannon. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Wear simpler outfits and concentrate less on appearance....

See, by limiting her stage wardrobe to one basic outfit with a few changed shawls, and by wearing her comfy shoes, I thought she was already doing that. :shrug:



The shoes are not the show, the whole package is the show. And I, personally, am not a huge fan of her current show. The shoes are laughable, the clothes border on parody, besides for a few songs she's rather immobile, sometimes she doesn't even look like she's enjoying herself, and most of the time she sings rather listlessly. She's clinging onto the same image and display that she's been putting on for the past thirty years and she just can't do it justice anymore.

Personally, I still feel that she's not "clinging" to anything, but rather she has evolved her stage persona in a way which retains elements and aspects of "Classic Stevie Nicks," but which deeply reflects where this 56 year old woman is in her life at this particular moment.

Just as they always have, her stage performances reflect her current life. There was a time when her life was crazy and out of control, and her stage performances reflected that. These days, she's older, wiser, more mature, and more reflective. She's also not as thin as she once was, she has aches and pains, some physical limitations, and just plain isn't as mobile as she used to be... but she's still up there on that stage relating her life experience to us.

She's not Cher or Tina Turner or anyone else -- she's Stevie Nicks. And this is Stevie Nicks' life at this moment, as she continues to adapt to growing older, and works through making her peace with that.

I think it's pretty cool that she's still allowing us to go along with her on the journey, rather than disappearing from the public eye for six or seven years while she goes through "the change" in private.

As always, some fans want to go along for the current ride, while others would rather sit this one out.

That's just my 2 cents. :)

[madformac]

I love them, especially Go Insane, but Big Love needs to hit the road or come back as a full-on band version. I'll gladly listen to it on The Dance or some bootleg if the mood strikes, but it's just clutter in the setlist. But, I guess it's Lindsey's Rhiannon. :laugh:

I commented before the SYW tour kicked off early last year that I thought Big Love should have been played full electric like the original, I would love to hear that live.

I'm just rather puzzled by the comment that it wasn't done justice. :shocked:


The acoustic Go Insane is, IMHO, one of Lindsey's finest songs and should remain as it is.. Perhaps it is best left out of the setlist due to the fact it's a Lindsey solo piece and I seriously doubt it can be bettered after The Dance version..

[amber]

I love big love only accoustic. I think it is more amazing that way. At least, I'm always amazed...

[dissention]

See, by limiting her stage wardrobe to one basic outfit with a few changed shawls, and by wearing her comfy shoes, I thought she was already doing that. :shrug:

Personally, I still feel that she's not "clinging" to anything, but rather she has evolved her stage persona in a way which retains elements and aspects of "Classic Stevie Nicks," but which deeply reflects where this 56 year old woman is in her life at this particular moment.

Just as they always have, her stage performances reflect her current life. There was a time when her life was crazy and out of control, and her stage performances reflected that. These days, she's older, wiser, more mature, and more reflective. She's also not as thin as she once was, she has aches and pains, some physical limitations, and just plain isn't as mobile as she used to be... but she's still up there on that stage relating her life experience to us.

She's not Cher or Tina Turner or anyone else -- she's Stevie Nicks. And this is Stevie Nicks' life at this moment, as she continues to adapt to growing older, and works through making her peace with that.

I think it's pretty cool that she's still allowing us to go along with her on the journey, rather than disappearing from the public eye for six or seven years while she goes through "the change" in private.

As always, some fans want to go along for the current ride, while others would rather sit this one out.

That's just my 2 cents. :)

Yeah, that song's already been sung, just like my song has already been sung. :wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

I love them, especially Go Insane, but Big Love needs to hit the road or come back as a full-on band version. I'll gladly listen to it on The Dance or some bootleg if the mood strikes, but it's just clutter in the setlist. But, I guess it's Lindsey's Rhiannon. :laugh:

I enjoyed the acoustic take on it for his 'Cradle' tour and 'The Dance,' but I would LOVE to see a full-band version now.
Acoustically, it is beautiful, and it's extremely impressive to watch him playing... but I think it would be so much fun to see them rock that one out.

Still, Lindsey says the way he plays it now reflects how he feels now, so I definitely respect that.

[amber]

See, by limiting her stage wardrobe to one basic outfit with a few changed shawls, and by wearing her comfy shoes, I thought she was already doing that. :shrug:





Personally, I still feel that she's not "clinging" to anything, but rather she has evolved her stage persona in a way which retains elements and aspects of "Classic Stevie Nicks," but which deeply reflects where this 56 year old woman is in her life at this particular moment.

Just as they always have, her stage performances reflect her current life. There was a time when her life was crazy and out of control, and her stage performances reflected that. These days, she's older, wiser, more mature, and more reflective. She's also not as thin as she once was, she has aches and pains, some physical limitations, and just plain isn't as mobile as she used to be... but she's still up there on that stage relating her life experience to us.

She's not Cher or Tina Turner or anyone else -- she's Stevie Nicks. And this is Stevie Nicks' life at this moment, as she continues to adapt to growing older, and works through making her peace with that.

I think it's pretty cool that she's still allowing us to go along with her on the journey, rather than disappearing from the public eye for six or seven years while she goes through "the change" in private.

As always, some fans want to go along for the current ride, while others would rather sit this one out.

That's just my 2 cents. :)
Nice post. Probably a better argument than my "Mreowr! hiss!!! *spit*" :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

Yeah, that song's already been sung, just like my song has already been sung. :wavey:

So Stevie Nicks and I are not allowed to repeat ourselves ad nauseum, but you are? ;) :p :laugh:

[dissention]

I enjoyed the acoustic take on it for his 'Cradle' tour and 'The Dance,' but I would LOVE to see a full-band version now.
Acoustically, it is beautiful, and it's extremely impressive to watch him playing... but I think it would be so much fun to see them rock that one out.

Still, Lindsey says the way he plays it now reflects how he feels now, so I definitely respect that.

Respecting it and enjoying it are two totally different things.

I still enjoy it, though, but I do wish that they'd at least try it out as a full-band song for once. I think it would kick ass. I love hearing songs played that sound completely different from the studio versions. If only he'd haul out Tango In the Night, I'd have a stroke and none of you would hear from me again. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

Nice post. Probably a better argument than my "Mreowr! hiss!!! *spit*" :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

My personal favorite is always, "saucer of milk to Table 6!" :laugh:

[dissention]

So Stevie Nicks and I are not allowed to repeat ourselves ad nauseum, but you are? ;) :p :laugh:

You're a slow learner, but when you get it, YOU GET IT. :p :laugh: :wavey:

Nah, I'm done with it, the whole discussion has become passe. You guys like her currently, I think she's a bore. Life goes on. :D

[dissention]

Nice post. Probably a better argument than my "Mreowr! hiss!!! *spit*" :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

I think anything is a step-up from that argument. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

If only he'd haul out Tango In the Night, I'd have a stroke and none of you would hear from me again. ;)

Dude, I'm starting a petition to Lindsey, ASAP!!! :laugh:

(That was JUST a joke, folks.)

[dissention]

Dude, I'm starting a petition to Lindsey, ASAP!!! :laugh:

(That was JUST a joke, folks.)

That sure would get the kink out of your knicker elastics, eh? :wavey:

[amber]

Respecting it and enjoying it are two totally different things.

I still enjoy it, though, but I do wish that they'd at least try it out as a full-band song for once. I think it would kick ass. I love hearing songs played that sound completely different from the studio versions. If only he'd haul out Tango In the Night, I'd have a stroke and none of you would hear from me again. ;)
That would be pretty great. I like Caroline a smidge better, but they'd never do that, and Tango would be an awesome second...

[Johnny Stew]

Oh, and I should add that I'd love to see him do "Tango In The Night," too.

I'm still counting the seconds, minutes, hours, days, months and YEARS, until I finally get to see him do "Murrow" on 'Soundstage.' *sighs*

I think that sucker is steadily becoming, for me, the "Best Buckingham Song Ever."

[amber]

I think anything is a step-up from that argument. ;)
yes, but to me, that was your words, pared down to their essence, the feeling behind them. A small, but perfect synopsis, if you will, of what you had just said... :xoxo: ;)

[amber]

My personal favorite is always, "saucer of milk to Table 6!" :laugh:
Bwaaaaaahhhh!!!! I've never heard that before! :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

[dissention]

Oh, and I should add that I'd love to see him do "Tango In The Night," too.

I'm still counting the seconds, minutes, hours, days, months and YEARS, until I finally get to see him do "Murrow" on 'Soundstage.' *sighs*

I think that sucker is steadily becoming, for me, the "Best Buckingham Song Ever."

Cross your fingers for a solo tour this spring, my friend. Otherwise, we'll be waiting a long time to hear anything good. ;)

[madformac]

Tango In The Night would sound awesome live, they would need to rework it a little to update the 80's vibe but it would be great... Trouble is, what do you replace to put it in? Either Come or I'm So Afraid and I wouldn't wanna lose either of those, Come at a push maybe..

Dissention, I think I'm So Afraid is Lindsey's Rhiannon, not Big Love. Only difference for me is I will never ever tire of listening to I'm So Afraid. :thumbsup:

[Johnny Stew]

That sure would get the kink out of your knicker elastics, eh? :wavey:

Dude, without you, who else would I have to banter with incessantly? :xoxo:

Jason? *scoffs* He can try, but all I have to do is give him the ol' puppy-dog eyes, and he's disarmed. ;)

[glitter_fades]

The shoes are not the show, the whole package is the show. And I, personally, am not a huge fan of her current show. The shoes are laughable, the clothes border on parody, besides for a few songs she's rather immobile, sometimes she doesn't even look like she's enjoying herself, and most of the time she sings rather listlessly. She's clinging onto the same image and display that she's been putting on for the past thirty years and she just can't do it justice anymore. Like I said earlier, there are ways in which to change that and for her to get all the magic back. If she can't sing the high-energy songs, don't. Break out some old songs that never saw the light of day that don't require you to strain for notes; make the show more intimate instead attempting to make it bombastic and failing. Wear simpler outfits and concentrate less on appearance and more on making a show special and not hurting your hip. She doesn't have to spin in circles or do high kicks, she needs to concentrate on the thing sthat make her great: the songs. Make everything else take a backseat. If you can't be like you used to be, don't try to be. Change stuff around and make it fresher. Who among us would be mightily disappointed to hear her do an acoustic version of Crystal instead of another boring retread of Dreams? Or how about hauling out Storms and singing it with nice harmonies from Lindsey instead of Don't Stop? Inject some vitality into it.

ITA. Stevie needs to make an extra effort to give her performances that special quality they used to have . It's something she's lost in the past few years. As for spontaneity, I think drugs played a big role in loweing her inhibitions in the past. Stevie used to have a more open and genuine rapport with the audience that's lacking today. Before drugs were a normal thing I think she was driven by her ambition and the energy she got from learning how to control an audience. She poored her love and care into her performances and it was very obvious to people she loved making them happy. It was her #1 mission in life. Later, drugs and her personal turmoil fueled a lot of her emotional outpooring. Now, I'm not sure she genuinely feels the same way about performing and it shows. Stevie is much more guarded and rote than she used to be. I think she genuinely cares about what she does, but I don't think it means as much to HER as it once did. Now she's out there to make a living and if it makes people happy that's a bonus.


After the attitude makeover she needs to find classier looking outfits that fit her age, image, and also her physical limitations. The shoes and the longer dresses need to go. The guy who called the Reeboks, Frankenstein's gym shoes, was so right! They make her look like a refuge from a horror movie. She'd look less bogged down and her lack of movement wouldn't be noticeble if she wore classy yet sensible footwear. Stevie needs to get over the obession with her lack of stature. Forget the platforms. They make sexy shoes that aren't hard to move in. Cutting the dress higher on the leg and showing more skin on the arms and neckline would lighten the whole look and make her look taller and more energtic. All that material even in black makes her look bogged down. I'm not talking pasties and a g string. Just lower the neckline. No high necks and no long sleeves. Show some leg below the knee. Get a dress with a higher cut in the middle. Keep the length on the sides and the back. She'd look younger and less like Grandma Moses. Stevie has a tendancy to cover up if she's putting on weight. That's exactly the wrong thing to do. More clothing makes her look heavier.

[Johnny Stew]

That sure would get the kink out of your knicker elastics, eh? :wavey:

Oh, and besides, I don't wear knickers. :o

No knickers = no kinks. :laugh:

[dissention]

Tango In The Night would sound awesome live, they would need to rework it a little to update the 80's vibe but it would be great... Trouble is, what do you replace to put it in? Either Come or I'm So Afraid and I wouldn't wanna lose either of those, Come at a push maybe..

Dissention, I think I'm So Afraid is Lindsey's Rhiannon, not Big Love. Only difference for me is I will never ever tire of listening to I'm So Afraid. :thumbsup:

I love ISA with a passion, but sometimes I'm just not in the mood for it. I never get sick of his often, but that's one that I have to be in the mood for. Too depressing sometimes.

[strandinthewind]

Dude, without you, who else would I have to banter with incessantly? :xoxo:

Jason? *scoffs* He can try, but all I have to do is give him the ol' puppy-dog eyes, and he's disarmed. ;)

Who MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

:o :o :o :o :o

:wavey:

[amber]

I love ISA with a passion, but sometimes I'm just not in the mood for it. I never get sick of his often, but that's one that I have to be in the mood for. Too depressing sometimes.
Yeah. Actually, too, after the singing is over i usually skip to the next. I mean, I can only take so much guitarsturbation. :p

[dissention]

ITA. Stevie needs to make an extra effort to give her performances that special quality they used to have . It's something she's lost in the past few years. As for spontaneity, I think drugs played a big role in loweing her inhibitions in the past. Stevie used to have a more open and genuine rapport with the audience that's lacking today. Before drugs were a normal thing I think she was driven by the her ambition and the energy she got from learning how to control an audience. She poored her love and care into her performances and it was very obvious to people she loved making them happy. It was her #1 mission in life. Later, drugs and her personal turmoil fueled a lot of her emotional outpooring. Now, I'm not sure she genuinely feels the same way about performing and it shows. Stevie is much more guarded and rote than she used to be. I think she genuinely cares about what she does, but I don't think it means as much to HER as it once did. Now she's out there to make a living and if it makes people happy that's a bonus.

After the attitude makeover she needs to find classier looking outfits that fit her age, image, and also her physical limitations. The shoes and the longer dresses need to go. The guy who called the Reeboks, Frankenstein's gym shoes, was so right! They make her look like a refuge from a horror movie. She'd look less bogged down and her lack of movement wouldn't be noticeble if she wore classy yet sensible footwear. Stevie needs to get over the obession with her lack of stature. Forget the platforms. They make sexy shoes that aren't hard to move in. Cutting the dress higher on the leg and showing more skin on the arms and neckline would lighten the whole look and make her look taller and more energtic. All that material even in black makes her look bogged down. I'm not talking pasties and a g string. Just lower the neckline. No high necks and no long sleeves. Show some leg below the knee. Get a dress with a higher cut in the middle. Keep the length on the sides and the back. She'd look younger and less like Grandma Moses. Stevie has a tendancy to cover up if she's putting on weight. That's exactly the wrong thing to do. More clothing makes her look heavier.

:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

glitter_fades: Bette Midler fan
dissention: Bette Midler fan

glitter_fades: Tired of Stevie's current schtick
dissention: Tired of Stevie's current schtick

glitter_fades and dissention: Separated at birth

:wavey:

[dissention]

Dude, without you, who else would I have to banter with incessantly? :xoxo:

Jason? *scoffs* He can try, but all I have to do is give him the ol' puppy-dog eyes, and he's disarmed. ;)

A can of mace and a nightstick couldn't disarm me.

[madformac]

Yeah. Actually, too, after the singing is over i usually skip to the next. I mean, I can only take so much guitarsturbation. :p

I have to differ here..... Although I am getting treatment for it... :] :blob2: :]

[strandinthewind]

A can of mace and a nightstick couldn't disarm me.

well, they, correct me if I am wrong, have not on past occassions :shrug: :eek: :wavey:

[dissention]

Oh, and besides, I don't wear knickers. :o

No knickers = no kinks. :laugh:

What do you wear then? Thongs? No wonder you're so crabby, then, you've got a piece of dental floss riding up your ass. :cool:

[glitter_fades]

:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

glitter_fades: Bette Midler fan
dissention: Bette Midler fan

glitter_fades: Tired of Stevie's current schtick
dissention: Tired of Stevie's current schtick

glitter_fades and dissention: Separated at birth

:wavey:


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :lol:

[dissention]

well, they, correct me if I am wrong, have not on past occassions :shrug: :eek: :wavey:

No correction needed. :laugh: :lol:

[strandinthewind]

What do you wear then? Thongs? No wonder you're so crabby, then, you've got a piece of dental floss riding up your ass. :cool:

I believe Le Stew swings free and easy :eek: :wavey: :laugh:

WHO LOVES YA JOHNNY :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel: :xoxo: :xoxo:

[amber]

. Just lower the neckline. No high necks and no long sleeves.
hmm, i'm gonna have to give my usual "whatever, non satisfied complainer!" answer to your post, however, I also want to add...did you see her necklines for the shows? They were plenty low, I thought the birds were gonna fly free a couple times! Also, she should wear the pantsuit thingies from Destiny Rules doc. that is all.

[amber]

What do you wear then? Thongs? No wonder you're so crabby, then, you've got a piece of dental floss riding up your ass. :cool:
Actually, that doesn't make you crabby, so much as happy.... :] all day long! :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

glitter_fades: Bette Midler fan
dissention: Bette Midler fan

glitter_fades: Tired of Stevie's current schtick
dissention: Tired of Stevie's current schtick

glitter_fades and dissention: Separated at birth

:wavey:
glitter fades = dissention:
never satisfied crabaholic barely fans separated at birth...
Oh, happy (or not satisfied, crabby) day! They've found each other at last! :D

[dissention]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :lol:

*still laughing over the Grandma Moses comment*

Isn't it great to be part of the elite and enlightened crowd? :laugh:

[diamondsnake]

hmm, i'm gonna have to give my usual "whatever, non satisfied complainer!" answer to your post, however, I also want to add...did you see her necklines for the shows? They were plenty low, I thought the birds were gonna fly free a couple times! Also, she should wear the pantsuit thingies from Destiny Rules doc. that is all.
I was about to say the same thing. Stevie wore very low cut dresses this tour- take a look at her costume change in the middle of Never Going Back Again on Live in Boston and you will see what I mean.

[strandinthewind]

Actually, that doesn't make you crabby, so much as happy.... :] all day long! :laugh: :laugh:

and you don't have a prostate :eek:

Okay - I have just officially brought the thread into the gutter :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

I believe Le Stew swings free and easy :eek: :wavey: :laugh:

WHO LOVES YA JOHNNY :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel: :xoxo: :xoxo:

Remind me not to sit down in one of his chairs. :eek:

[amber]

and you don't have a prostate :eek:

Okay - I have just officially brought the thread into the gutter :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'd love for that to be true, but i fear i may have done it... :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Remind me not to sit down in one of his chairs. :eek:

or notice the dandruff on the shoes :eek:

Okay - that is is it - I am officially being gross :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

Actually, that doesn't make you crabby, so much as happy.... :] all day long! :laugh: :laugh:

You don't exactly have the same equipment as men...hopefully. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I'd love for that to be true, but i fear i may have done it... :laugh:

LOL - oh well, it was bound to be one of us :laugh:

BTW - I LOVE the DVD of DR :cool:

[dissention]

or notice the dandruff on the shoes :eek:

Okay - that is is it - I am officially being gross :laugh: :laugh:

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

That.
Is.
So.
Something.
I.
Wish.
I.
Had.
Said.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

*still laughing over the Grandma Moses comment*

Isn't it great to be part of the elite and enlightened crowd? :laugh:
How would you know? :laugh:

[dissention]

BTW - I LOVE the DVD of DR :cool:

The picture quality sucks and there are no extras. I was pissed that I paid so much for it!

[amber]

or notice the dandruff on the shoes :eek:

Okay - that is is it - I am officially being gross :laugh: :laugh:
Yeah, that was it. Definitely official now.... :lol: :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

What do you wear then? Thongs? No wonder you're so crabby, then, you've got a piece of dental floss riding up your ass. :cool:

Like Joey Tribbiani, I prefer to go commando. :o

And, uhm, I thought you were the ever-crabby/never pleased one. ;) :xoxo:

[dissention]

How would you know? :laugh:

Because I, my dear, am the King of that crowd. :cool:

[strandinthewind]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

That.
Is.
So.
Something.
I.
Wish.
I.
Had.
Said.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Feel free to use it often :wavey: :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

You don't exactly have the same equipment as men...hopefully. :wavey:
You mean attached to my body? No, true...

[ontheEdgeof17]

The picture quality sucks and there are no extras. I was pissed that I paid so much for it!


You need to come to grips with that fact that nothing is going to change and not buy/watch a FM show again. You'r setting yourself up for failure. ;)

[dissention]

Like Joey Tribbiani, I prefer to go commando. :o

And, uhm, I thought you were the ever-crabby/never pleased one. ;) :xoxo:

Oy vey, I've tried going commando, my dear, but my poor nuts just can't take the torture. :laugh:

[amber]

Because I, my dear, am the King of that crowd. :cool:
Oh, we're married then! And i didn't even know...

[Johnny Stew]

Because I, my dear, am the King of that crowd. :cool:

Sweetie, darling, I've already told you once... you're the King Of The Bitch And Moan About Everything Club. ;) :laugh: :xoxo:

[dissention]

You need to come to grips with that fact that nothing is going to change and not buy/watch a FM show again. You'r setting yourself up for failure. ;)

I guess I am. ;) Though the quality of LIB was quite good.

[Johnny Stew]

Oy vey, I've tried going commando, my dear, but my poor nuts just can't take the torture. :laugh:

:shocked:

Uhm, well.... err..... Jimbo & The Twins need wiiiiiide open spaces. 'Nuff said. :o

[dissention]

Sweetie, darling, I've already told you once... you're the King Of The Bitch And Moan About Everything Club. ;) :laugh: :xoxo:

I'd rather be the King of something than the King of nothing. ;) :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I'd rather be the King of something than the King of nothing. ;) :wavey:

You are a Priest of Nothing :cool:

sorry - bad one I know :laugh: :rolleyes:

[dissention]

:shocked:

Uhm, well.... err..... Jimbo & The Twins need wiiiiiide open spaces. 'Nuff said. :o

Won't happen with me, I can't stand baggy pants. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

I'd rather be the King of something than the King of nothing. ;) :wavey:

I don't have to be the King of anything... I'm a queen. *rimshot*

[amber]

Oy vey, I've tried going commando, my dear, but my poor nuts just can't take the torture. :laugh:
"do they wobble to and fro, can you tie em in a not, can you tie em in a bow, can you throw them over your shoulder, like......" :blob1: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

[dissention]

You are a Priest of Nothing :cool:

sorry - bad one I know :laugh: :rolleyes:

One of her most inane and vaccous lines. :laugh:

[madformac]

I'm gonna have a look around for a thread that hasn't gone down to gutter level..............

I think I saw one in the Peter Green forum once... :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

One of her most inane and vaccous lines. :laugh:

and so I sent that to YOU - on the other side of the world . . . I mean as long as we are there with those lines :shrug: :laugh: :woohoo: :cool:

[Johnny Stew]

Won't happen with me, I can't stand baggy pants. ;)

Eek! I forgot about your penchant for tight leather pants. Yeah, I think it would be wise to wear some undies in those! :laugh:

[amber]

I'd rather be the King of something than the King of nothing. ;) :wavey:
Really? So, you'd rather be the King of, say, The Ann Coulter fan club, then nothing at all? Ah, powermad. I see how you are...

[dissention]

and so I sent that to YOU - on the other side of the world . . . I mean as long as we are there with those lines :shrug: :laugh: :woohoo: :cool:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[amber]

One of her most inane and vaccous lines. :laugh:
I'd love for you to post some of the hit songs you've written.. :wavey:

[dissention]

Eek! I forgot about your penchant for tight leather pants. Yeah, I think it would be wise to wear some undies in those! :laugh:

Very thin ones, you don't want VPLs. :laugh:

[dissention]

I'd love for you to post some of the hit songs you've written.. :wavey:

HAEWAFY was a hit? I missed that. :laugh:

Hit Me Baby One More Time was a hit, doesn't make any of it good. ;)

[amber]

HAEWAFY was a hit? I missed that. :laugh:

Hit Me Baby One More Time was a hit, doesn't make any of it good. ;)
Any songs you've written would be great. Then we could all witness a perfect song!

[strandinthewind]

HAEWAFY was a hit? I missed that. :laugh:

Hit Me Baby One More Time was a hit, doesn't make any of it good. ;)

I think it hit 60 on the BB Hot 100. But, it is a concert staple and a beautiful nontheless - I even like the "Poet Preist of nothing" line even though I readily admit it is "out there" even for La Nicks!!! :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

Any songs you've written would be great. Then we could all witness a perfect song!

I prefer to keep my own compositions to myself. If I didn't, I'd be out there singing them in some shape or form. :xoxo:

But if you want a perfect song, listen to Storms or Forgive and Forget. :wavey:

[amber]

I think it hit 60 on the BB Hot 100. But, it is a concert staple and a beautiful nontheless - I even like the "Poet Preist of nothing" line even though I readily admit it is "out there" even for La Nicks!!! :laugh: :laugh:
really? It's totally evocative for me, Like I know just what kind of trait she's talking about. I actually don't like that song much, but i like that line a lot.

[dissention]

I think it hit 60 on the BB Hot 100. But, it is a concert staple and a beautiful nontheless - I even like the "Poet Preist of nothing" line even though I readily admit it is "out there" even for La Nicks!!! :laugh: :laugh:

"Priest of nothing" is just mind-numbingly out-there. :laugh:

[amber]

I prefer to keep my own compositions to myself. If I didn't, I'd be out there singing them in some shape or form. :xoxo:

But if you want a perfect song, listen to Storms or Forgive and Forget. :wavey:
I'm sure. It takes courage to put your stuff out for people to see and critize. It's easy to criticize, but less easy to write a perfect song, i would think. :)

[amber]

"Priest of nothing" is just mind-numbingly out-there. :laugh:
again, it totally makes sense to me. But I feel like sometimes, *sometimes* boys don't get her lines that totally make sense to girls. :shrug: *sometimes* *sometimes*

[Johnny Stew]

I even like the "Poet Preist of nothing" line even though I readily admit it is "out there" even for La Nicks!!! :laugh: :laugh:

You still think it's "out there," even after she explained that those lines were about the really wonderful songwriters she knows, who have no motivation or drive, and who'd rather just sit around and be lazy, than create something beautiful?

I'd venture to say that "priest of nothing" is the most poetic way of calling someone a "slacker," that there is! :)

[dissention]

I'm sure. It takes courage to put your stuff out for people to see and critize. It's easy to criticize, but less easy to write a perfect song, i would think. :)

There are no perfect songs, though, only what people like and dislike.

[Johnny Stew]

again, it totally makes sense to me. But I feel like sometimes, *sometimes* boys don't get her lines that totally make sense to girls. :shrug: *sometimes* *sometimes*

Us gay boys do. ;) :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

You still think it's "out there," even after she explained that those lines were about the really wonderful songwriters she knows, who have no motivation or drive, and who'd rather just sit around and be lazy, than create something beautiful?

I'd venture to say that "priest of nothing" is the most poetic way of calling someone a "slacker," that there is! :)


Oh - I like it. I think it is classic Stevie and her poetic nature. I just remember for YEARS thinking what is she talking about :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

There are no perfect songs, though, only what people like and dislike.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


When I see you AAAAGGGAAAYYYYAAIIIINNNNNNN :cool: :wavey: :wavey:

What's the matter baby? :wavey:

[dissention]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


When I see you AAAAGGGAAAYYYYAAIIIINNNNNNN :cool: :wavey: :wavey:

What's the matter baby? :wavey:

Bastard. :eek:

[amber]

There are no perfect songs, though, only what people like and dislike.
Oh, but your opinions are facts, right? they're the truth, right? that's how it really is, right?

[dissention]

Oh, but your opinions are facts, right? they're the truth, right? that's how it really is, right?

You've caught on, my dear.

"Perfect songs" are not perfect, they're a person's idea of perfect, which is subjective and an opinion.

[amber]

You've caught on, my dear.

"Perfect songs" are not perfect, they're a person's idea of perfect, which is subjective and an opinion.
oh, from your posts i couldn't tell that you had any concept of that! My bad.

[dissention]

oh, from your posts i couldn't tell that you had any concept of that! My bad.

I told you to get those cataracts checked out. ;)

[amber]

I told you to get those cataracts checked out. ;)
I think your sarcasometer is reading low. Should get that checked before my next post. ;)

[dissention]

I think your sarcasometer is reading low. Should get that checked before my next post. ;)

I think I'm just fine, deary. :xoxo:

[amber]

I think I'm just fine, deary. :xoxo:
that a fact? oh, you said it, of course it's a fact!

[dissention]

that a fact? oh, you said it, of course it's a fact!

I'm proud. You're catching on faster with each post. :woohoo:

[Serrart]

oh, from your posts i couldn't tell that you had any concept of that! My bad.

I think Stevie should hire Dissention. He makes a daily effort to remind everyone of her icon status. As Oscar Wilde has already stated.... ;)

Romy

[amber]

I'm proud. You're catching on faster with each post. :woohoo:
wait, is what you say facts or opinions?
'Perfect songs" are not perfect, they're a person's idea of perfect, which is subjective and an opinion."

Will you please make up your mind.

[dissention]

wait, is what you say facts or opinions?
'Perfect songs" are not perfect, they're a person's idea of perfect, which is subjective and an opinion."

Will you please make up your mind.

I will not. It's my prerogative. :p

[amber]

I think Stevie should hire Dissention. He makes a daily effort to remind everyone of her icon status. As Oscar Wilde has already stated.... ;)

Romy
I don't get what you mean. :wavey:

[dissention]

I don't get what you mean. :wavey:

Me, neither. But she wouldn't have to hire me, I'd give her my much-needed advice for free. :nod:

[amber]

I will not. It's my prerogative. :p
As a woman? :confused: well, you can't expect me to buy your argument if it's not consistent and logical within itself...

[dissention]

As a woman? :confused: well, you can't expect me to buy your argument if it's not consistent and logical within itself...

Yes, as a woman. What made you think I urniate standing up?! :laugh:

[Serrart]

I don't get what you mean. :wavey:

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about". :cool:

Romy

[amber]

Me, neither. But she wouldn't have to hire me, I'd give her my much-needed advice for free. :nod:
Then she'd give you your much needed slap in the face for free.... :laugh: :lol:

[dissention]

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about". :cool:

Romy

That's not Oscar Wilde, that's Joan Rivers! :lol: :xoxo:

[dissention]

Then she'd give you your much needed slap in the face for free.... :laugh: :lol:

But she still would have heard the awful truth. :D :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

But she still would have heard the awful truth. :D :laugh:

But the question is which slap would have hurt more - a physical slap or the sound of the truth - Questions get answered others arise :laugh:

[amber]

But she still would have heard the awful truth. :D :laugh:
That's not the truth, it's your opinion. The slap thing, though...now that's the truth! :xoxo:

[Serrart]

That's not Oscar Wilde, that's Joan Rivers! :lol: :xoxo:

I feared you got the concept from her, it explains a lot of things...;) :xoxo:

Romy

[dissention]

But the question is which slap would have hurt more - a physical slap or the sound of the truth - Questions get answered others arise :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

That's not the truth, it's your opinion. The slap thing, though...now that's the truth! :xoxo:

No, it's the truth, dammit. You're regressing, much to my dismay. :distress: :laugh:

[amber]

No, it's the truth, dammit. You're regressing, much to my dismay. :distress: :laugh:
No, i'm just picking your other argument this time. You can't have your cake, hate your cake, try to control your cake, and eat it to... :laugh:

[sodascouts]

The acoustic Go Insane is, IMHO, one of Lindsey's finest songs and should remain as it is.. Perhaps it is best left out of the setlist due to the fact it's a Lindsey solo piece and I seriously doubt it can be bettered after The Dance version..

It's fantastic. Very powerful. It's songs like Go Insane and Big Love acoustic on the Dance that made me a passionate Lindsey fan! That and of course the magnificent ISA, which I agree is Lindsey's TRUE Rhiannon. :)

[sodascouts]

Yeah. Actually, too, after the singing is over i usually skip to the next. I mean, I can only take so much guitarsturbation. :p


:eek: :mad: :eek: BLASPHEMY!!!

[ontheEdgeof17]

:eek: :mad: :eek: BLASPHEMY!!!


Agreed. The best part of his songs is when he is not singing. :wavey:

[dissention]

No, i'm just picking your other argument this time. You can't have your cake, hate your cake, try to control your cake, and eat it to... :laugh:

I don't eat cake. :laugh:

[dissention]

Agreed. The best part of his songs is when he is not singing. :wavey:

Y'all know I love Lindsey, but his vocal on the studio version is absolutely putrid. Sounds like someone was pinching his balls.

[amber]

:eek: :mad: :eek: BLASPHEMY!!!
:rolleyes: nah. It just goes on and on, and i want to sing more. You know, with words? Not that it's not really good, i just get bored after, oh, what is it, 20 minutes? :laugh:

[amber]

Y'all know I love Lindsey, but his vocal on the studio version is absolutely putrid. Sounds like someone was pinching his balls.
the only part I like about the studio version at all is Stevie's harmony. Never listen to that version...

[dissention]

:rolleyes: nah. It just goes on and on, and i want to sing more. You know, with words? Not that it's not really good, i just get bored after, oh, what is it, 20 minutes? :laugh:

This chick that was next to me at the Boston concert kept trying to touch his feet during that song. :laugh: And everytime he jammed into a guitar solo, she'd cry her eyes out. She finally touched his shoes during Go Your Own Way and I thought she was going to have an orgasm and die right there.

[sodascouts]

Agreed. The best part of his songs is when he is not singing. :wavey:

Not always true, but definitely the case with "Come" at least. I couldn't wait for him to get the singing over with on that one.

[dissention]

Not always true, but definitely the case with "Come" at least. I couldn't wait for him to get the singing over with on that one.

You actually classify that as singing? :laugh:

He sounds awful on that sucker, but it suits the song, IMO. :nod:

[amber]

This chick that was next to me at the Boston concert kept trying to touch his feet during that song. :laugh: And everytime he jammed into a guitar solo, she'd cry her eyes out. She finally touched his shoes during Go Your Own Way and I thought she was going to have an orgasm and die right there.
Whoa!!!! :laugh: I guess that's one chick who's into guitarsturbation!!!

[amber]

Not always true, but definitely the case with "Come" at least. I couldn't wait for him to get the singing over with on that one.
yeah, that one is like...40 minutes long, right? :p

[ontheEdgeof17]

Not always true, but definitely the case with "Come" at least. I couldn't wait for him to get the singing over with on that one.

On this tour I liked it when he just played his guitar on:

Come
EOTW
ISA
GYOW
Don't Stop

[amber]

You actually classify that as singing? :laugh:

He sounds awful on that sucker, but it suits the song, IMO. :nod:
Gosh, that's one of my favorite songs. But then, I really enjoy YOWLING... :laugh: again, I skip the giant guitar solo...

[sodascouts]

Y'all know I love Lindsey, but his vocal on the studio version is absolutely putrid. Sounds like someone was pinching his balls.

Yes, the studio ISA sucks, and it's staggering how it can be skippable on the disc and one of my favorite rock songs ever live. It's all about that incredible guitar playing and deeper, more passionate and agonized vocal that blow the studio version - which, on the intensity scale, would more appropriately be entitled "I'm Somewhat Apprehensive" - out of the water .

[amber]

Yes, the studio ISA sucks, and it's staggering how it can be skippable on the disc and one of my favorite rock songs ever live. It's all about that incredible guitar playing and deeper, more passionate and agonized vocal that blow the studio version - which, on the intensity scale, would more appropriately be entitled "I'm Somewhat Apprehensive" - out of the water .
You like it on The Dance, right?

[sodascouts]

You like it on The Dance, right?

Yes, because that's a live album.

[ontheEdgeof17]

You like it on The Dance, right?


Everyone should. It is "the one".

[dissention]

"I'm Somewhat Apprehensive"

:laugh: I? Love that.

Good one. ;)

I love all other incarnations of it, but I just can't bear the studio version.

[madformac]

You like it on The Dance, right?

The Dance version of ISA is THE definitive version of that song.

Plus the solo is about the right length, not the war and peace sized epic we got on the SYW tour... :nod:

[amber]

:laugh: I? Love that.

Good one. ;)

I love all other incarnations of it, but I just can't bear the studio version.
I sometimes think of it as "I'm whiny and fey" :)

[Dreammms]

I love big love only accoustic. I think it is more amazing that way. At least, I'm always amazed...

i love it accoustic too :wavey:
how could you NOT like his moaning at the end? amazed!
;)

[estranged4life]

I might be asking for this for Christmas, but I just wanted to know if it was worth it. Is it very different from the TV Version? How much more do we get to see? I just don't want to ask for something I've seen already, and with nothing different.

Thanks

get it if you do not have it already taped from the TV showing of it on VH1.

Below is a link to an upcoming DVD band doctumentary that was done correctly with tons of extras (The Mac should have went this avenue with the official release of DR):

http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?sectionId=2&articleId=6815

Brian j.

[ThePenguin]

get it if you do not have it already taped from the TV showing of it on VH1.

Below is a link to an upcoming DVD band doctumentary that was done correctly with tons of extras (The Mac should have went this avenue with the official release of DR):

http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?sectionId=2&articleId=6815

Brian j.

Oh man if I could get something w/ 7 hours of bonus FMac footage, I'd fall over dead from happiness.

-Lis

[estranged4life]

Oh man if I could get something w/ 7 hours of bonus FMac footage, I'd fall over dead from happiness.

-Lis

is when rare material that was marked to be used for a doctumentary appears in circulation, Such as the newly circulated "The Beatles Anthology-The Director's Cut" import 10 DVD set, Which is nothing like the officially released "Anthology" (ie-Animated chapter intros/More available live footage) set that was released on 5 DVD & the original ABC broadcast from years back...This version was the original that the 3 surviving Beatles (Paul, George & Ringo) saw and rejected due to certain parts needing heavy editing.

I would love to see a "Director's Cut" of "Destiny Rules", As would anyone else (Are ya listenin' Mick???)...If there was 400 hours of footage shot as reported it will only be a matter of time before someone gets a hold of it and circulate it for profit (ie-The newly circulating "U2-Rattle And Hum Outtakes" 3 DVD set) instead of going the "Director's Cut" avenue...But considering the GREAT officially released output of material by this band bootleg copies may be the only option for us fans if this material EVER surfaces (As Gomer Pile says "Sur-prise...Sur-prise...Sur-prise")

Brian j.