New Stevie track for download!!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Not sure if everyone visits the Stevie board so thought I would give you a heads up....

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=17018


Pip

P.S. Thanks Tiff!

[gldstwmn]

I can only get the first few seconds to download. :confused:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I can only get the first few seconds to download. :confused:
Maybe it's busy?

[tommer]

those tracks make me me wonder again about who exactly were the dumbasses who edited the songs for that album. how could they left out this track or touched by an angel in favour of songs like too far from texas or that made me stronger? what were they thinking when they chose to use the other version of bombay sapphires?

[estranged4life]

seems the German "TISL Safety Copy" disc has finally made it into circulation so everyone can enjoy it.

Brian j.

[MacMan]

I've had My Heart for about a month now... and I still play it constantly, and I agree... Why leave that off... It's a great great song!!

Bombay Saphires - never heard this version... so that's a treat today... Thanks again Tiff

[glitter_fades]

I've had My Heart for about a month now... and I still play it constantly, and I agree... Why leave that off... It's a great great song!!



The only reason I can think of is maybe someone noticed Stevie made a glaring mistake in the turn of a phrase she used in the song. Not that she hasn't done something like this before. As long as LB hasn't heard it. He'd be telling her to change it becuse it's not correct. Then she'd have to change the entire song to something a lot less adoring after he's pissed her off.
:lol:

I don't want to ruin the song for anyone who truly loves it the way it is, but anyone who's seen the film "The Ladykillers" or reads classic literature knows what I'm talking about.

[strandinthewind]

those tracks make me me wonder again about who exactly were the dumbasses who edited the songs for that album. how could they left out this track or touched by an angel in favour of songs like too far from texas or that made me stronger? what were they thinking when they chose to use the other version of bombay sapphires?

I TOTALLY AGREEEEEEE (don't fall over :laugh: )

AND (on edit and realizing I forgot my manners :eek: ) - thanks to the site for posting it!!!!!!!!!! :xoxo: :angel:

[no_spoken_word]

The only reason I can think of is maybe someone noticed Stevie made a glaring mistake in the turn of a phrase she used in the song.

What was the mistake? I'm guess I'm as dumb as Stevie :nod: , I can't think of it.

[Serrart]

What was the mistake? I'm guess I'm as dumb as Stevie :nod: , I can't think of it.

Same here, please Glitter Fades :D ?

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Same here, please Glitter Fades :D ?

Romy

All I can think of is "eyes to the soul" should have been "eyes of the soul" - but that is minor IMO and it is rock and roll for goodness sake :laugh:

[no_spoken_word]

I know this is slightly off topic, but what does "thrown down" mean, anyway? I've heart it meaning devestated AND also infatuated. What is the popular perception of that phrase?

[WelshWitchPMD]

I can only get the first few seconds to download. :confused:


I kept having the same problem with some of the downloads, myself. :shrug:

[Serrart]

All I can think of is "eyes to the soul" should have been "eyes of the soul" - but that is minor IMO and it is rock and roll for goodness sake

Thanks Jason :xoxo:, I would have never guessed.

Romy

[ShangriLaTroubl]

i wonder who produced MY HEART

Chris

[EnchantedSLN]

I kept having the same problem with some of the downloads, myself. :shrug:

Sorry about that... it's probably just busy. That happens to me when I try to download from other sites sometimes too, but only when I'm on dial-up.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Sorry about that... it's probably just busy. That happens to me when I try to download from other sites sometimes too, but only when I'm on dial-up.


Yep, I am on dial-up. :(

I know some people with DSL and they have too many problems with it so I am kind of glad I am on dial-up. Maybe someday.

[blinker12]

i wonder who produced MY HEART
Chris

Probably either Sheryl Crow or Mike Campbell (who wrote the music). :)
It doesn't have much of a John Shanks feel, at least to my ears.

[blinker12]

I think I like the album version of "Bombay Sapphires" better than this alt version. I miss the guitar riff in the chorus on the album version.

[dissention]

I think My Heart is atrocious. :distress: The lyrics are pretty good, but it's so AC and overproduced, even more than the rest of TISL. I can't really grasp much of a melody, either. Someone sent it to me awhile back raving about it, but I was left quite cold. One of the things that makes my ears bleed is the melodramatic music during the verses. My word, it sounds like stock music from a Streisand record.

HOWEVER -----

I loooooooooove Bombay Sapphires. It slays the album version.

[Johnny Stew]

Probably either Sheryl Crow or Mike Campbell (who wrote the music). :)
It doesn't have much of a John Shanks feel, at least to my ears.

My money is on it being Sheryl Crow... it has a Crow-ish vibe to my ears.

[dissention]

My money is on it being Sheryl Crow... it has a Crow-ish vibe to my ears.

She's all over it. :nod: It sounds exactly like C'mon C'mon (the song).

[EnchantedSLN]

What was the mistake? I'm guess I'm as dumb as Stevie :nod: , I can't think of it.

I was thinking it should be "eyes, like the windows to the soul" instead of the other way around. The metaphor is backwards. But who am I to tell Stevie Nicks how to write... it's the poet that she is. :xoxo:

Now that the novelty has worn off... I think the lyrics are nice, but the music is overdramatic. As for the alternate Bombay Sapphires, I immediately thought it beat the pants off of the album version. Productionwise, less is more. And she didn't need Macy Gray on this song. The "I can... I can..." ending is lovely, too.

[dissention]

Now that the novelty has worn off... I think the lyrics are nice, but the music is overdramatic. As for the alternate Bombay Sapphires, I immediately thought it beat the pants off of the album version. Productionwise, less is more. And she didn't need Macy Gray on this song. The "I can... I can..." ending is lovely, too.

Kindred souls, Tiffany, kindred souls. :xoxo: :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Now that the novelty has worn off... I think the lyrics are nice, but the music is overdramatic.

I've always relished the more melodramatic songs in Stevie's (and Fleetwood Mac's) catalog... so I'm pleased! :blob1:

[blinker12]

I've always relished the more melodramatic songs in Stevie's (and Fleetwood Mac's) catalog... so I'm pleased! :blob1:

I like it too, though I admit it's kind of a guilty pleasure music-wise. :)
The intro, with those banged out power chords right before the vocal kicks in, reminds me of the bombastic (and very early 90s) intro to "Love's a Hard Game to Play"! :shocked:

[strandinthewind]

I think My Heart is atrocious. :distress: The lyrics are pretty good, but it's so AC and overproduced, even more than the rest of TISL. I can't really grasp much of a melody, either. Someone sent it to me awhile back raving about it, but I was left quite cold. One of the things that makes my ears bleed is the melodramatic music during the verses. My word, it sounds like stock music from a Streisand record.

HOWEVER -----

I loooooooooove Bombay Sapphires. It slays the album version.

Hmmm - the sun will rise and I disagree (surprise :laugh: )

BUT - Bombay Saph. is SO much better!!!!!!!

WHO loves ya baby!!!!!! :xoxo:

[glitter_fades]

I was thinking it should be "eyes, like the windows to the soul" instead of the other way around. The metaphor is backwards. But who am I to tell Stevie Nicks how to write... it's the poet that she is. :xoxo:


That's the one. :wavey:

[tommer]

maybe they chose the BS album version because releasing this alternate version would have made Sting sue stevie. :shrug:

[Kelly]

I loved it when I first heard it a few weeks ago and I still LOVE it. It is very Crow-ish which is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to Stevie's music. I like the lyrics a real lot. (especially the first person)

[paleshadow]

What was the mistake? I'm guess I'm as dumb as Stevie :nod: , I can't think of it.

I believe it's when she sings "My eyes still glows". It should be "my eyes still glow" Unless I'm hearing it wrong.

[strandinthewind]

My money is on it being Sheryl Crow... it has a Crow-ish vibe to my ears.

I think it sounds like Brett Michaels. It has that late 80's hair band vibe to it - at least to me, esp,. the introduction.

I really like it.

[sodascouts]

I like "My Heart." And I'd also like to thank Tiff for sharing this with everyone and not hoarding it. You put the fan community before your own ego, and I know we all appreciate it!

[DeeGeMe]

This version of Bombay Sapphires kicks ass over the album version.

[DeadliestPoison]

Eh. I'm not feeling the alternate Bombay Sapphires. Something about it j ust irks me.

[estranged4life]

I like "My Heart." And I'd also like to thank Tiff for sharing this with everyone and not hoarding it. You put the fan community before your own ego, and I know we all appreciate it!

considering how long we knew that the TISL Safety copy disc has existed, I am glad it is now being traded freely so everyone can enjoy it (I'm patient...I will await for my copy from an upcoming trade).

Brian j.

[sodascouts]

considering how long we knew that the TISL Safety copy disc has existed, I am glad it is now being traded freely so everyone can enjoy it (I'm patient...I will await for my copy from an upcoming trade).

Brian j.


Patience is a virtue I don't share! lol

[estranged4life]

Patience is a virtue I don't share! lol

that feelin' all too well :nod:

Brian j.

[dissention]

Hmmm - the sun will rise and I disagree (surprise :laugh: )

Surprise, surprise. ;)

I, shockingly, would rank this new discovery right alongside When I See You Again. It's that bad to my ears. :eek: It would have RUINED Trouble In Shangri-La.

[Johnny Stew]

I, shockingly, would rank this new discovery right alongside When I See You Again. It's that bad to my ears. :eek: It would have RUINED Trouble In Shangri-La.

Dude... who peed in your Wheaties when you were a kid? ;) :xoxo: :laugh:

[dissention]

Dude... who peed in your Wheaties when you were a kid? ;) :xoxo: :laugh:

Beats me, but it only strengthened my good taste. ;)

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I truly dislike the song. It's very weak. :sorry:

[amber]

Beats me, but it only strengthened my good taste. ;)

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I truly dislike the song. It's very weak. :sorry:
I think it's better than a lot of other songs on TISL. :wavey:

[BigAl84]

does anyone have the original track listing from the safety copy. Im thinking about taking out too far from texas and replacing it with my heart.

[Johnny Stew]

Beats me, but it only strengthened my good taste. ;)

Strengthened your taste for urine? :laugh:
Not gonna go there! ;)

Anyway, I can see why some fans aren't wild about the song. I think it's a bit of a revelation, myself... but as we've demonstrated countless times before, our tastes around here vary wildly. Which is pretty funny in and of itself... we all like the same band, and yet we can never agree on why, or which songs, or even most anything else! ;)

[Johnny Stew]

By the way, I seem to be one of the few people who's not crazy about that alternate "Bombay Sapphires." *ducks*

I think it's lacking the supple quality of the album version.

[Serrart]

I love it, especially the contrast between the heavy production and the simple intensity of the lyrics, it creates a very intriguing effect: I agree with those who said it could have been a radio hit. :nod:

Romy

[dissention]

I think it's better than a lot of other songs on TISL. :wavey:

I like TISL, but some of it is pretty hit and miss.

-TISL is one of her best songs. The lyrics are astounding.
-Candlebright is very enjoyable, but can get cloying if listened to too much.
-Love Sorcerer. The Sheryl Crow mix is even better!!!
-Love POTU, but I prefer the extended album version.
-Every Day is boring and bland as hell. Really nothing memorable in it.
-Too Far From Texas can't go far enough away for me to be happy. It's torturous.
-That Made Me Stronger is unlistenable.
-It's Only Love is beautiful.
-Love Changes is very good in spots and very bad in spots.
-I Miss You is pretty. Too repetitive but she sounds great and the music is enjoyable.
-Bombay Sapphires is one of my faves. The new alternate version puts it to shame, though.
-Fall From Grace is great, though a bit too "manufactured" for my tastes.
-Love Is...terrible.

Much of the production is awful and they did something to her voice to make it almost metallic, but a lot of the material is so good that it doesn't matter. Would have liked to have seen Touched By An Angel on there, though.

[dissention]

By the way, I seem to be one of the few people who's not crazy about that alternate "Bombay Sapphires." *ducks*

I think it's lacking the supple quality of the album version.

I think more people feel like you do than the way Tiffany and I do about it.

Stevie Nicks albums are all about over-the-top production, so I can see why some people would feel something is missing from this "less-is-more" version. I miss Macy Gray, but I still prefer the alternate.

[estranged4life]

does anyone have the original track listing from the safety copy. Im thinking about taking out too far from texas and replacing it with my heart.

source of the TISL (A female from Germany) had the tracklisting on her website when the first mention of this disc was heard...But I dont have the URL for her website (She also had the artwork listed on her website that was basically just a piece of paper with the song titles).

Brian j.

[amber]

I like TISL, but some of it is pretty hit and miss.

-TISL is one of her best songs. The lyrics are astounding.
-Candlebright is very enjoyable, but can get cloying if listened to too much.
-Love Sorcerer. The Sheryl Crow mix is even better!!!
-Love POTU, but I prefer the extended album version.
-Every Day is boring and bland as hell. Really nothing memorable in it.
-Too Far From Texas can't go far enough away for me to be happy. It's torturous.
-That Made Me Stronger is unlistenable.
-It's Only Love is beautiful.
-Love Changes is very good in spots and very bad in spots.
-I Miss You is pretty. Too repetitive but she sounds great and the music is enjoyable.
-Bombay Sapphires is one of my faves. The new alternate version puts it to shame, though.
-Fall From Grace is great, though a bit too "manufactured" for my tastes.
-Love Is...terrible.

Much of the production is awful and they did something to her voice to make it almost metallic, but a lot of the material is so good that it doesn't matter. Would have liked to have seen Touched By An Angel on there, though.
you like way more songs than me. I don't like Candlebright, Everyday, It's only love, or I Miss You much. I love TFFT, of course.Can't resist the harmony. Bombay Sapphires i don't like much. Love is has grown on me a bit.

[Johnny Stew]

Stevie Nicks albums are all about over-the-top production....

I'd be inclined to say that about Fleetwood Mac albums, in general... well, at least after Lindsey and Stevie came on board.

Most of their songs could be (and have been) described as "over-produced."
I guess it's never bothered me, because it's a sound that I've always liked (I'm the Jim Steinman fan, remember?)... despite the fact that I do firmly believe there are times when less is more.

For me though, I don't think "My Heart" sounds "overproduced," and I don't feel that way about the album version of "Bombay Sapphires" either.
The alternate take of the latter just sounds watered down to me. :shrug:

But, hey, when you find something to praise, I'm not gonna argue! ;) :laugh:

[dissention]

I'd be inclined to say that about Fleetwood Mac albums, in general... well, at least after Lindsey and Stevie came on board.

Most of their songs could be (and have been) described as "over-produced."
I guess it's a sound that I've always liked... despite the fact that I do firmly believe there are times when less is more.

For me though, I don't think "My Heart" sounds "overproduced," and I don't feel that way about the album version of "Bombay Sapphires" either.
The alternate take of the latter just sounds watered down to me. :shrug:

But, hey, when you find something to praise, I'm not gonna argue! ;) :laugh:

Of course you'd be inclined to say that, but we were not talking about Fleetwood Mac or Lindsey Buckingham. ;) There can be no doubt that all three overproduce on every album, but I just feel that it really hinders a lot of Stevie's solo material.

My Heart is overproduced to the point where it's, literally, unlistenable to me. The music is so cheesy that I can't get over it. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

Something about "My Heart" reminds me of "That Made Me Stronger," which is odd because I despise TMMS but like "My Heart." Maybe it's the chorus - I almost expect her to sing, "Well.... you know me better than I know myself..."

[MacMan]

I can't figure it out... By My Heart to me seems in the same vein as Touched By An Angel... Haven't looked close enough to see, but maybe it's a phrase that is repeated in both songs.

[Serrart]

I like TISL, but some of it is pretty hit and miss.

I think it's a beautiful, astonishing album. Too Far From Texas isn't my cup of tea, and I didn't like at first That Made Me Stronger (it has grown on me though), but for the rest I just love it. :thumbsup: IMO, it represents a meaningful and deep turning point in her songwriting.

Romy

[Serrart]

My Heart is overproduced to the point where it's, literally, unlistenable to me. The music is so cheesy that I can't get over it. :laugh:

I think its a refreshing hyperbole :D , self-absorbed minimalism is probably intellectually trendy, but so boooooring at times.

Romy

[amber]

I think its a refreshing hyperbole :D , self-absorbed minimalism is probably intellectually trendy, but so boooooring at times.

Romy
:thumbsup: I listened to it about 5 times in a row just now, and i don't think it sucks at all. I think it's gorgeous.

[dissention]

I think its a refreshing hyperbole :D , self-absorbed minimalism is probably intellectually trendy, but so boooooring at times.

Romy

Boy, you sure do read too much into her songs. :laugh:

[face of glass]

Boy, you sure do read too much into her songs. :laugh:
Romy's posts are to Stevie what mine are to Lindsey. :nod: Well, it's for the sake of diversity and all. :p

[Serrart]

Boy, you sure do read too much into her songs. :laugh:

Nah, not really... It's only rock'n roll and I like it :cool:

Romy

[amber]

Nah, not really... It's only rock'n roll and I like it :cool:

Romy
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: 'Atta girl!

[Serrart]

Romy's posts are to Stevie what mine are to Lindsey. :nod:

Thank you, I 'm honored Gaius.

Well, it's for the sake of diversity and all. :p

Definitely! :nod:

Romy

[face of glass]

Thank you, I 'm honored Gaius.
I'd be more frightened by that myself. ;)

I prefer Peter Gabriel's pun on the Stones song, actually.

"'Cos it's only knock and knowall, but I like it."

"If you think that it's pretentious, you've been taken for a ride."

[dissention]

Nah, not really... It's only rock'n roll and I like it :cool:

Romy

If "My Heart" is rock 'n roll, my name is Stevie Nicks. :laugh:

[Serrart]

If "My Heart" is rock 'n roll, my name is Stevie Nicks. :laugh:

But your name IS Stevie Nicks, we've known it for ages ;)

Romy

[Moony]

Surprise, surprise. ;)

I, shockingly, would rank this new discovery right alongside When I See You Again. It's that bad to my ears. :eek: It would have RUINED Trouble In Shangri-La.

! I LOVE When I See You Again! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: However, I agree. I think it would have been quite a clunker in the album - like, for instance, Love Changes. UGH.

[ontheEdgeof17]

! I LOVE When I See You Again! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: However, I agree. I think it would have been quite a clunker in the album - like, for instance, Love Changes. UGH.


Now now now....

We all know there are ONLY three Stevie clunkers....Nightmare, Alice, and Desert Angel. The rest are perfection. :)


(Yes, my brain is functioning properly)

[Nixxxed]

source of the TISL (A female from Germany) had the tracklisting on her website when the first mention of this disc was heard...But I dont have the URL for her website (She also had the artwork listed on her website that was basically just a piece of paper with the song titles).

Brian j.

Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/Heaven2night2000/othercdsstevie.html

So, is this were the Alt-Bombay Sapphires (or 'Sapphire' as listed on the CD :rolleyes: ) comes from, and are there more alt-mixes to follow? Why on earth would they print a promotional CD labelled "Final Mixes" when they aren't? :shrug:

[dissention]

Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/Heaven2night2000/othercdsstevie.html

So, is this were the Alt-Bombay Sapphires (or 'Sapphire' as listed on the CD :rolleyes: ) comes from, and are there more alt-mixes to follow? Why on earth would they print a promotional CD labelled "Final Mixes" when they aren't? :shrug:

This makes perfect sense now. Thrown Down was worked on for TISL with Lindsey as a guest performer. This would explain the awful back-up singers on the "Wall of Sound" track.

LOVE the "Will Not Trade At This Time" disclaimer. :rolleyes: Especially after they post and brag in bold blue lettering about My Heart being super-rare. Remind me not to trade with this person.

[Moony]

Now now now....

We all know there are ONLY three Stevie clunkers....Nightmare, Alice, and Desert Angel. The rest are perfection. :)


(Yes, my brain is functioning properly)

I would agree with that except replace the Nightmare with all of Street Angel, sans Blue Denim. :nod:

[Moony]

This makes perfect sense now. Thrown Down was worked on for TISL with Lindsey as a guest performer. This would explain the awful back-up singers on the "Wall of Sound" track.

LOVE the "Will Not Trade At This Time" disclaimer. :rolleyes: Remind me not to trade with this person.

Honestly...what a greedy b*tch. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

I like TISL, but some of it is pretty hit and miss.

-TISL is one of her best songs. The lyrics are astounding.
-Candlebright is very enjoyable, but can get cloying if listened to too much.
-Love Sorcerer. The Sheryl Crow mix is even better!!!
-Love POTU, but I prefer the extended album version.
-Every Day is boring and bland as hell. Really nothing memorable in it.
-Too Far From Texas can't go far enough away for me to be happy. It's torturous.
-That Made Me Stronger is unlistenable.
-It's Only Love is beautiful.
-Love Changes is very good in spots and very bad in spots.
-I Miss You is pretty. Too repetitive but she sounds great and the music is enjoyable.
-Bombay Sapphires is one of my faves. The new alternate version puts it to shame, though.
-Fall From Grace is great, though a bit too "manufactured" for my tastes.
-Love Is...terrible.

Much of the production is awful and they did something to her voice to make it almost metallic, but a lot of the material is so good that it doesn't matter. Would have liked to have seen Touched By An Angel on there, though.

I agree with you almost 100% :eek: :laugh: - the only diff. is I like TFFT - I think Stevie makes the songs the way she likes them - in fact she is pretty frank about that, esp. regarding Bombay Saph. - in those VH-1 video interviews she said there were a few productions of it and the one on the record is her fav. and she then said something like "and maybe somebody else might like the other productions - but I liked that one," etc.

All in All - I think TISL was stellar though and was so happy to hear it!!!!!!! :woohoo:

[strandinthewind]

Surprise, surprise. ;)

I, shockingly, would rank this new discovery right alongside When I See You Again. It's that bad to my ears. :eek: It would have RUINED Trouble In Shangri-La.

Wel . . .I like WISYA :laugh: so . . .

[dissention]

Honestly...what a greedy b*tch. :shrug:

You've got that right. It's one thing not to trade something, but it's a completely different thing to not trade something and then brag about it so rudely on your trade page. It's as if they want us to feel that she's better than everyone else because she's elite enough to have such a "rare" item. People like that give trading music a bad name.

[dissention]

Wel . . .I like WISYA :laugh: so . . .

I consider the source. :xoxo: ;) :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I think more people feel like you do than the way Tiffany and I do about it.

Stevie Nicks albums are all about over-the-top production, so I can see why some people would feel something is missing from this "less-is-more" version. I miss Macy Gray, but I still prefer the alternate.

Even the stellar and lambent Bella Donna - in fact she hired Jimmy I. specifically for that HUGE "Because the Night" (LOVE THAT SONG BTW - esp. the 10,000 Maniacs cover :nod: ) - because Jimmy I. produced that.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Honestly...what a greedy b*tch. :shrug:


I'm a greedy bitch, too. This is why I don't have a website, trade, or let ppl know what I have in my collection. :wavey:

[dissention]

I agree with you almost 100% :eek: :laugh: - the only diff. is I like TFFT - I think Stevie makes the songs the way she likes them - in fact she is pretty frank about that, esp. regarding Bombay Saph. - in those VH-1 video interviews she said there were a few productions of it and the one on the record is her fav. and she then said something like "and maybe somebody else might like the other productions - but I liked that one," etc.

All in All - I think TISL was stellar though and was so happy to hear it!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Recording songs the way you like them doesn't make them good. :laugh:

I like TISL a lot, I think it was a great comeback vehicle for her solo career. As with every album, there are things that drive me nuts because of their sheer mediocrity, but I think her material was strong enough to make the record rather resillient in that respect. The title track still astounds me with every listen, it's perfection.

However, I hope that on the next record they don't screw with her vocals so much. The metallic feel to them on TISL is a very acquired taste.

[strandinthewind]

I'm a greedy bitch, too. This is why I don't have a website, trade, or let ppl know what I have in my collection. :wavey:

your collection of what . . . :wavey:

[dissention]

I'm a greedy bitch, too. This is why I don't have a website, trade, or let ppl know what I have in my collection. :wavey:

Like I said, I have no problem with that because you aren't required to share anything. No one is, really. But the difference is that you don't brag about the rare **** you have and then say there's no way that you're letting any of it leave your possession. That kind of behavior, my friend, is utterly classless.

[ontheEdgeof17]

your collection of what . . . :wavey:


FM "stuff"

[strandinthewind]

Recording songs the way you like them doesn't make them good. :laugh:

I like TISL a lot, I think it was a great comeback vehicle for her solo career. As with every album, there are things that drive me nuts because of their sheer mediocrity, but I think her material was strong enough to make the record rather resillient in that respect. The title track still astounds me with every listen, it's perfection.

However, I hope that on the next record they don't screw with her vocals so much. The metallic feel to them on TISL is a very acquired taste.

Oh I agree - I was saying they are the way she wanted them - I think her vocals could have been better - but I always say that about everyone including people like Deborah Voigt, Patti Lupone, Christine M, - all of which I really consider close to perfection - at least to me :cool:

But, yea, that voice tinkering is akin to nails on a chalkboard at times - AND - LB's (presumably LB :shrug: ) use of that radio sound on EFO and Illume :eek: - I guess I think gimmicks are beneath them and ESP. him because he is brilliant and so innately innovative without that. :cool:

[strandinthewind]

Like I said, I have no problem with that because you aren't required to share anything. No one is, really. But the difference is that you don't brag about the rare **** you have and then say there's no way that you're letting any of it leave your possession. That kind of behavior, my friend, is utterly classless.

I remember when she posted the snippet. I respect her decision to keep her stuff to herself. But, although I was happy to hear it, the teaser was IMO uncalled for - I mean we pretty much ALL share freely around here. But, it was her's and it was her decision. Thankfully, others chose to share. I mean look at Brian J. - who is VERY generous with his stuff as is Tiff, Nancy, and many many others ( {{{HUGS}}} to them!!!!!!

I guess different strokes for different folks :shrug: :cool:

[dissention]

Oh I agree - I was saying they are the way she wanted them - I think her vocals could have been better - but I always say that about everyone including people like Deborah Voigt, Patti Lupone, Christine M, - all of which I really consider close to perfection - at least to me :cool:

But, yea, that voice tinkering is akin to nails on a chalkboard at times - AND - LB's (presumably LB :shrug: ) use of that radio sound on EFO and Illume :eek: - I guess I think gimmicks are beneath them and ESP. him because he is brilliant and so innately innovative without that. :cool:

Voice tinkering, that's exactly what it is. It's as if they homogenized her voice so much that it's a chore to find any warmth to it on that album, save maybe It's Only Love. I don't know how to describe it, but metallic is a pretty good word for it. :nod:

Oy, that radio effect drives me nucking futs. There's NO point to them and makes it look like they're using them just to use them.

[strandinthewind]

MY WORD - we are agreeing FAR too much - so - what was that about Ollie North :p :laugh: :]

[dissention]

I remember when she posted the snippet. I respect her decision to keep her stuff to herself. But, although I was happy to hear it, the teaser was IMO uncalled for - I mean we pretty much ALL share freely around here. But, it was her's and it was her decision. Thankfully, others chose to share. I mean look at Brian J. - who is VERY generous with his stuff as is Tiff, Nancy, and many many others ( {{{HUGS}}} to them!!!!!!

I guess different strokes for different folks :shrug: :cool:

Posting that clip was her way of teasing us, plain and simple. We simply weren't good enough or worthy enough to hear it. :p The same thing happened with the ACLU version of Peacekeeper. What a fiasco that was. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Posting that clip was her way of teasing us, plain and simple. We simply weren't good enough or worthy enough to hear it. :p The same thing happened with the ACLU version of Peacekeeper. What a fiasco that was. :laugh:

I know. I was saddened by that. I mean my view is we are al sort of people in the same boat - so share share share!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sodascouts]

I'm a greedy bitch, too. This is why I don't have a website, trade, or let ppl know what I have in my collection. :wavey:

Hmmm - this sounds like an indirect brag, I must say! lol

[dissention]

I know. I was saddened by that. I mean my view is we are al sort of people in the same boat - so share share share!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What added insult to injury was when the friend of the chick who won the auction came on here and bragged about being able to hear it. I wanted to jump into cyberspace and throttle the little bastard. :mad: There's nothing worse than a braggart. We're all guilty of it at times, but some people just don't know the definition of class...or even sharing. I would have hated to be the tyke sharing the sandbox with him as a child.

[strandinthewind]

Hmmm - this sounds like an indirect brag, I must say! lol

I thought he was talking about porn :eek: :laugh:

(I am, of course, joking :angel: )

[estranged4life]

unless I get crushed by a meteor, Have a tragic accident where my arms are replace by broomsticks (But I would still be able to use my toes though, lol!!!) or I just fall over dead (Possibly due to boredom) I pretty much will share what I have...

It's the LOVE of music, Which is the ONLY thing in the world that EVERYBODY has in common...

Brian j.

[dissention]

I thought he was talking about porn :eek: :laugh:

(I am, of course, joking :angel: )

If he was speaking of porn, this would be one instance where he's free to brag but not share. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

I remember when she posted the snippet. I respect her decision to keep her stuff to herself. But, although I was happy to hear it, the teaser was IMO uncalled for - I mean we pretty much ALL share freely around here. But, it was her's and it was her decision. Thankfully, others chose to share. I mean look at Brian J. - who is VERY generous with his stuff as is Tiff, Nancy, and many many others ( {{{HUGS}}} to them!!!!!!

I guess different strokes for different folks :shrug: :cool:

My policy is to share everything I have unless the person who gave it to me asked me not to do so. I know the resentment one feels when someone brags about having a certain song that wasn't shared with the oh-so-plebian fan base, or feels the need to tell you "I get stuff before everyone else does!" :rolleyes: The implication is "Look how special I am! More special than you for sure!" Gag me.

[strandinthewind]

If he was speaking of porn, this would be one instance where he's free to brag but not share. :laugh:

well, there are a few around here who might like it ;)

[strandinthewind]

My policy is to share everything I have unless the person who gave it to me asked me not to do so. I know the resentment one feels when someone brags about having a certain song that wasn't shared with the oh-so-plebian fan base, or feels the need to tell you "I get stuff before everyone else does!" :rolleyes: The implication is "Look how special I am! More special than you for sure!" Gag me.

I know. I lurked at your site for awhile before posting and was stunnes and appreciative at how generous you were. Then, I met you and, of course, my opinion, if possible, only improved!!!!!! :xoxo: :wavey:

[estranged4life]

My policy is to share everything I have unless the person who gave it to me asked me not to do so. I know the resentment one feels when someone brags about having a certain song that wasn't shared with the oh-so-plebian fan base, or feels the need to tell you "I get stuff before everyone else does!" :rolleyes: The implication is "Look how special I am! More special than you for sure!" Gag me.

no ****, I hate the "Look at what I have...But I am not sharing with you so NYAHHHH" B.S.

You'll never see me doing that...Cause people freely helped me when I started out trading so why in the "Wide Wide World of Sports" would I pull the opposite way of thinking when those traders did not have to trade with me whatsoever...

Brian j.

[dissention]

My policy is to share everything I have unless the person who gave it to me asked me not to do so. I know the resentment one feels when someone brags about having a certain song that wasn't shared with the oh-so-plebian fan base, or feels the need to tell everyone "I get stuff before everyone else does!" :rolleyes: The implication is "Look how special I am! More special than you for sure!" Gag me.

I'm agreeing with Nancy. :eek: :xoxo:

My resentment over all this crap began with those blasted master reels. I mean, let's call a spade a spade; that business was complete and utter ****. That's an unpopular opinion among a lot of people, but I don't think that fans should be excluded from having access to that kind of stuff, especially when the very people involved in the master reel brouha would have no boot collection to speak of if it weren't for the oh-so-lowly commoners in the trading circles. When I traded for master reels and had something someone wanted to hear, I posted the damned thing (back when I was putting songs up for download). It's not my music and it certainly wasn't the music of the businessman we've come to know as Bill. Let the people hear it, don't be an asshole over such trivial things.

[sodascouts]

no ****, I hate the "Look at what I have...But I am not sharing with you so NYAHHHH" B.S.

You'll never see me doing that...Cause people freely helped me when I started out trading so why in the "Wide Wide World of Sports" would I pull the opposite way of thinking when those traders did not have to trade with me whatsoever...

Brian j.

That's why we love you! :xoxo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Hmmm - this sounds like an indirect brag, I must say! lol


LOL nah........

I just don't have the time for it right now and maybe never will. I'm not going to start something or make promises when I can't follow through with it. A few emails here and there, but I'm not going to promote something for the sake of saying I have it unless I can share it with everyone.

...and I don't have anything that "special" that no one else has. :xoxo:

[sodascouts]

I'm agreeing with Nancy. :eek: :xoxo:

My resentment over all this crap began with those blasted master reels. I mean, let's call a spade a spade; that business was complete and utter ****. That's an unpopular opinion among a lot of people, but I don't think that fans should be excluded from having access to that kind of stuff, especially when the very people involved in the master reel brouha would have no boot collection to speak of if it weren't for the oh-so-lowly commoners in the trading circles. When I traded for master reels and had something someone wanted to hear, I posted the damned thing (back when I was putting songs up for download). It's not my music and it certainly wasn't the music of the businessman we've come to know as Bill. Let the people hear it, don't be an asshole over such trivial things.

I remember that, dissention. Did all that crap turned you off from posting downloads? People can be so lame.

[sodascouts]

I know. I lurked at your site for awhile before posting and was stunnes and appreciative at how generous you were. Then, I met you and, of course, my opinion, if possible, only improved!!!!!! :xoxo: :wavey:

You are such a flatterer! And I love it! :xoxo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I thought he was talking about porn :eek: :laugh:

(I am, of course, joking :angel: )


Well, on other sites, I am known as KINGPORNCOLLECTOR. Look me up. :] :blob2: :]

[sodascouts]

...and I don't have anything that "special" that no one else has. :xoxo:

I'm sure that only applies to FM bootlegs. :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

I'm sure that only applies to FM bootlegs. :)


Nancy, just come out and say you want to trade already. Quit beating around the bush. :lol: :xoxo: :lol:

[dissention]

I remember that, dissention. Did all that crap turned you off from posting downloads? People can be so lame.

Yeah, it got to be a very big turn-off. I'm not a seasoned web site designer and I certainly am not an expert at posting songs for download. It was my first stab at it because I wanted to share rare things with people that didn't have access to it because I didn't think it was fair for people to be left out from hearing such good stuff. Then all the bitching started.

The first major bitch was over my saying that I had a "very large" collection of stuff that I wanted to share. Some people took GREAT offense to my saying that I had a "very large" collection and posted a lot of nasty things about me on that wretched Stevie Nicks Chain group. It was incredibly silly.

The second major bitch was over sound quality. I had compressed the files so that I could fit more downloads on the page each week for people to hear. "They" didn't like that one bit.

Then I started getting emails from the group of farts that were involved with Bill and his reels that told me to stop posting the reels or else I'd find myself without a single person to trade with. :rolleyes: They were true pieces of work.

It didn't matter that I was the person who started circulating the SYW early mixes or that I was sharing stuff for the sake of sharing, it became all about what people wanted and what they wanted more of. People showed their true colors...yet they still downloaded the f*cking things. ;) It stopped becoming worth the aggravation. I hope everyone liked the stuff I posted because it certainly didn't feel as if anyone appreciated it. It was all about more more more.

[amber]

I'm actually quite curious to know what your definition of rock n' roll is...
Don't go there... :laugh:

[dissention]

I'm actually quite curious to know what your definition of rock n' roll is...

I never really thought of it very much, but "My Heart" doesn't even make the term pass through my brain.

[amber]

Yeah, it got to be a very big turn-off. I'm not a seasoned web site designer and I certainly am not an expert at posting songs for download. It was my first stab at it because I wanted to share rare things with people that didn't have access to it because I didn't think it was fair for people to be left out from hearing such good stuff. Then all the bitching started.

The first major bitch was over my saying that I had a "very large" collection of stuff that I wanted to share. Some people took GREAT offense to my saying that I had a "very large" collection and posted a lot of nasty things about me on that wretched Stevie Nicks Chain group. It was incredibly silly.

The second major bitch was over sound quality. I had compressed the files so that I could fit more downloads on the page each week for people to hear. "They" didn't like that one bit.

Then I started getting emails from the group of farts that were involved with Bill and his reels that told me to stop posting the reels or else I'd find myself without a single person to trade with. :rolleyes: They were true pieces of work.

It didn't matter that I was the person who started circulating the SYW early mixes or that I was sharing stuff for the sake of sharing, it became all about what people wanted and what they wanted more of. People showed their true colors...yet they still downloaded the f*cking things. ;) It stopped becoming worth the aggravation. I hope everyone liked the stuff I posted because it certainly didn't feel as if anyone appreciated it. It was all about more more more.
Yipes! that's pretty lame, i must say. How sad, and strange. :confused:

[dissention]

Well I do agree it's more of a pop track for sure. I need to hear it a few more times before I make up my mind though.

Oh, I just want to say thanks to Tiff as well for sharing it with us! :xoxo:

It reminds me of mid-nineties "mature artist" pop cheese. It also sounds like the musical sister of Sheryl Crow's song "C'mon C'mon." The similarities in sound are eerie. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

It reminds me of mid-nineties "mature artist" pop cheese. It also sounds like the musical sister of Sheryl Crow's song "C'mon C'mon." The similarities in sound are eerie. :nod:

C'mon C'mon is great IMO - maybe it is just the words - I am ambivilent (sp.?) about the music though :cool:

[dissention]

C'mon C'mon is great IMO - maybe it is just the words - I am ambivilent (sp.?) about the music though :cool:

I like C'mon C'mon. I think the music is too overpowering at times, but I enjoy it. I'm not really into the whole theme running in the lyrics like some people, just like I'm not into "baby, don't leave me" songs. But the album C'mon C'mon is great. SO overproduced but such a guilty pleasure. :laugh:

[dissention]

There's something about that album I just can't take to, like it's too forced and trying too hard to be sunny. Or maybe it's because it follows on from The Globe Sessions, which I still hold up as Sheryl's best work to date. A hard act to follow. I hope she does something in a similar vein for her next record.

Sorry, I don't mean to turn this thread into a Sheryl Crow discussion!

I think her self-titled '96 album and The Globe Sessions are outstanding. They have two of my all-time favorite songs from any artist, Redemption Day and Member's Only. Member's Only makes me laugh hysterically every time I hear it. Love that song.

[dissention]

Maybe that's it. There is some great stuff on there I do agree but it could have been better for sure.

Definitely. You're right about it sounding forced, though, especially since she was going through a tough time emotionally before and during the making of it.

[strandinthewind]

There's something about that album I just can't take to, like it's too forced and trying too hard to be sunny. Or maybe it's because it follows on from The Globe Sessions, which I still hold up as Sheryl's best work to date. A hard act to follow. I hope she does something in a similar vein for her next record.

Sorry, I don't mean to turn this thread into a Sheryl Crow discussion!

I know - I liked it - but the songs seemed somewhat contrived - just a little. And - her voice, while good, rubs me the wrong way at times. BUT - I totally respect her musicianship and like her. :cool:

[dissention]

I know - I liked it - but the songs seemed somewhat contrived - just a little. And - her voice, while good, rubs me the wrong way at times. BUT - I totally respect her musicianship and like her. :cool:

The voice is too high-pitched at times and very thin sounding at the same time. But I thought she sounded stellar on Safe and Sound.

[strandinthewind]

The voice is too high-pitched at times and very thin sounding at the same time. But I thought she sounded stellar on Safe and Sound.

I wonder if she has a lower range :shrug: I bet she does but is too comfortable in the higher :shrug: Again, she is VERY talented - so please no one miscontrue my post as anything Strand being hypercritical of a great artist!!!!!!

[amber]

I'm not feeling it either I must admit. Hmmm, just a little bland I think.
But I may change my mind. I often do...
Well, it's no Edge or anything, but it's ok. I changed my mind about it. I like the chorus mainly.

[WelshWitchPMD]

The first part of My Heart where Stevie starts to sing I did not like. I don't like the way she sounds on the first chorus. The song is growing on me, however.

This Bombay Sapphires is OK. It kind of reminds me of something that you would hear in a new age gift shop.

[amber]

Bombay Sapphires or My Heart?

I think I quite like My Heart....
My heart. I like it. haven't changed my mind about Bombay, yet, though this new one is way better.

[EnchantedSLN]

So, is this were the Alt-Bombay Sapphires (or 'Sapphire' as listed on the CD :rolleyes: ) comes from, and are there more alt-mixes to follow?

Yes, the alternate Bombay Sapphires came from this disc. As far as I could tell that was the only track that was different.

[amber]

Yes, the alternate Bombay Sapphires came from this disc. As far as I could tell that was the only track that was different.
Oh, tiff, i forgot to thank you for the download. Hope school is going well for you! :wavey:

[Nixxxed]

Yes, the alternate Bombay Sapphires came from this disc. As far as I could tell that was the only track that was different.

Thanks again Tiff! I like My Heart, and hearing the whole thing made my holiday weekend. :xoxo:

As for Bombay Sapphires, I'm not so crazy about the alt-version. I like the urgency and mood of the album version better. And the fact that the "sea never changes ... here I am dramatic..." section is only used once. But the alt-version has that extra little part that was deleted on the album, which I'm sure I'll miss when I listen to TISL again... :nod:

[tynan88]

Bombay Sapphires never did it for me on the album either to be honest so I don't really like the song in general, I am not a huge fan of the lyrics and what seemed very forced aatempts at rhyming...however it is growing on me...and this version rips on the album version.

[blinker12]

The question now is, is anyone willing to share the safety copy version of "Thrown Down" with Lindsey? Or is it just the version we've come to know as the Wall of Sound version?

[blinker12]

I believe it's when she sings "My eyes still glows". It should be "my eyes still glow" Unless I'm hearing it wrong.

Oh, and I hear "my eyes still CLOSE" here. Which obviously would be grammatically correct. :)

[EnchantedSLN]

The question now is, is anyone willing to share the safety copy version of "Thrown Down" with Lindsey? Or is it just the version we've come to know as the Wall of Sound version?

It's the "wall of sound" version :)

[Johnny Stew]

This makes perfect sense now. Thrown Down was worked on for TISL with Lindsey as a guest performer.

And, ironically, it's the "Wall Of Sound" (a phrase which, in and of itself, implies a cacphony of sound, ie: overproduction) Stevie solo version that you prefer! ;) :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I believe it's when she sings "My eyes still glows". It should be "my eyes still glow" Unless I'm hearing it wrong.

Oh, and I hear "my eyes still CLOSE" here. Which obviously would be grammatically correct. :)

I posted the lyrics on the Stevie Forum, but thought I'd post them here as well.


My Heart
(lyrics by Stevie Nicks; music by Michael Campbell)

Shadows, and the first sign of light,
Lifted my heart
As if some kind of wings lifted me up
And so became... your face, your name
After all these years, it's still the same
And you're not to blame

Well, my heart still stops
When I stand before you
And my heart still breaks
When you take my hand
And my eyes still close
When someone speaks your name
You understand it's all the same

Windows, like the eyes to the soul
From across the room
And the crowd fades away
You stand alone
Like nothing's changed
Your face, your name
After all these years... it's still the same
You're not to blame

Well, my heart still stops
When I stand before you
And my heart still breaks
When you take my hand
And my eyes still close
When someone speaks your name
And you understand it's all the same

Ooh, my heart still stops
When I stand before you
And my heart still breaks
When you take my hand
And my eyes still close
When someone speaks your name
And you understand

Well, my heart still stops
When I stand before you
Ooh, and my heart still breaks
When you take my hand
My heart still cries
When someone speaks your name
And you understand it's all the same
It's all the same

[amber]

I'm agreeing with Nancy. :eek: :xoxo:

My resentment over all this crap began with those blasted master reels. I mean, let's call a spade a spade; that business was complete and utter ****. That's an unpopular opinion among a lot of people, but I don't think that fans should be excluded from having access to that kind of stuff, especially when the very people involved in the master reel brouha would have no boot collection to speak of if it weren't for the oh-so-lowly commoners in the trading circles. When I traded for master reels and had something someone wanted to hear, I posted the damned thing (back when I was putting songs up for download). It's not my music and it certainly wasn't the music of the businessman we've come to know as Bill. Let the people hear it, don't be an asshole over such trivial things.
Excellent.

[Dreammms]

I love the BS Alt version. So much better than the TISL version.

My Heart is okay. I am sure after I listen to it more it will grow on me.

Speaking of better versions...
I LOVE how Goodbye Baby sounds on the Destiny Rules DVD. Just Stevie singing and Lindsey playing the guitar. They should have done something like that for the SYW album.

[dissention]

And, ironically, it's the "Wall Of Sound" (a phrase which, in and of itself, implies a cacphony of sound, ie: overproduction) Stevie solo version that you prefer! ;) :laugh:

Yup. The "solo" version suits the song much better. It's more hurried and urgent, and the interaction between her and Lindsey is phenomenal. The vocals from both are stellar and make the lyrics ring truer than the vocals on the Mac version. The Mac version is the musical equivalent to wet crackers. Lousy vocal, plodding music, the ending sounds rushed, and it just doesn't do a thing for me.

[wondergirl9847]

The WOS version of Thrown Down freakin' RULES!! I have that one on my fave songs iTunes playlist. :)

I know alot of people don't like that she doesn't do the "shakin' your faith" verse, but ah well, I'll give that up for the WOS version. :nod:

I don't particularly care for the girls' bgv's, but that's something else I'll overlook for this version of TD. It reminds me of Lindsey's version of PK because of the uptempo-ness of it.

[sodascouts]

I think the only thing that recommends the "Wall of Sound" version is Lindsey's spectacular vocal at the end. Otherwise, I think the album "Thrown Down" is much better. I find her backup singers very annoying and intrusive on such a personal song. I have to admit, though, I'd never thought about dissention's suggestion that it was meant to be a Stevie solo with Lindsey as a guest. To have him guest on a song about him, in such a powerful way - that would have been AWESOME!

[wondergirl9847]

I think the only thing that recommends the "Wall of Sound" version is Lindsey's spectacular vocal at the end. Otherwise, I think the album "Thrown Down" is much better.

I love his vocal at the end too, and especially, that breathy "thrown down" at the VERY end....LOVE that!!

I'm gonna listen to them back to back.

[WelshWitchPMD]

. It reminds me of Lindsey's version of PK because of the uptempo-ness of it.


I really like the LB version of PK. :thumbsup:

[sodascouts]

It reminds me of Lindsey's version of PK because of the uptempo-ness of it.

Lindsey's PK was SO much better. Why'd they turn Stevie up so high in the mix? It's not her song. And slowing it down was a mistake too.

BTW, I always thought producers had a lot of say in mixing, but it seems that's not the case, because a lot of the mixing on SYW sucked.

[WelshWitchPMD]

I don't think that I have the WOS version of Thrown Down. Can someone tell me where I can get it?

[wondergirl9847]

I really like the LB version of PK. :thumbsup:

That one is on my fave tracks playlist too. It's MILES better than SYW. :nod:

[estranged4life]

I really like the LB version of PK. :thumbsup:

on the LB board that a copy of the ACLU disc (With the original LB solo version of "Peacekeeper" & Stevie's "Touched By An Angel") was up for auction on eBay....It sold for $9.99 (Which IMO is a bargain)

Brian j.

[wondergirl9847]

I don't think that I have the WOS version of Thrown Down. Can someone tell me where I can get it?

Check yer email. :)

$9.99 IS a steal!!

[WelshWitchPMD]

Check yer email. :)

$9.99 IS a steal!!

I got it. Thanks again Christy!

I don't even have 9.99 right now. :( Not with the holidays and stuff coming up.

[dissention]

Lindsey's PK was SO much better. Why'd they turn Stevie up so high in the mix? It's not her song. And slowing it down was a mistake too.

BTW, I always thought producers had a lot of say in mixing, but it seems that's not the case, because a lot of the mixing on SYW sucked.

Preach it. :thumbsup:

Peacekeeper was mangled beyond recognition. As for Stevie being so up front in the mix, what do you think of the remix from Europe (Tin Tin or something like that)? Oy vey, I can barely hear Lindsey. And something about the vocal at the end of the song, he sounds like he's eating and singing at the same time. :shrug: :laugh:

Gimme the solo version, it kicks ass. ESPECIALLY during the "You know all of our friends are God's" verse. He sounds phenomenal on it.

[Johnny Stew]

Yup. The "solo" version suits the song much better. It's more hurried and urgent, and the interaction between her and Lindsey is phenomenal. The vocals from both are stellar and make the lyrics ring truer than the vocals on the Mac version. The Mac version is the musical equivalent to wet crackers. Lousy vocal, plodding music, the ending sounds rushed, and it just doesn't do a thing for me.

For me, the difference between Stevie's solo "Thrown Down" and the 'Say You Will' version, is a good example of Lindsey taking an already fantastic song and just making it that much better.

I'm not someone who thinks Lindsey should always produce everything Stevie records, but in some cases I think his influence spurs the song to even greater heights.
While others prefer the previously-known versions of "Smile At You," "Running Through The Garden" and "Goodbye Baby," I prefer Lindsey's 'SYW' production in those cases too.

I think "Thrown Down" became more intimate and "shimmering" in Lindsey's hands. It's not like I dislike the 'TISL' outtake though... it's a great song in any form, IMO.

I do agree that the ending of the 'SYW' version sounds rushed though... like something was edited out of it at the last minute, to make the track shorter.

[Johnny Stew]

I have to admit, though, I'd never thought about dissention's suggestion that it was meant to be a Stevie solo with Lindsey as a guest. To have him guest on a song about him, in such a powerful way - that would have been AWESOME!

Plus it helps to explain why Sheryl Crow seemed to make such a big deal in a Billboard article about Lindsey's appearance on Stevie's then upcoming album. She seemed to imply that it was a really powerful appearance and fans would be impressed... so I never could figure out why she'd be so jazzed about what amounted to a barely noticeable acoustic guitar appearance ("I Miss You").

All in all, it does make Lindsey's vocal on the outtake version of "Thrown Down" even more effective.

[Johnny Stew]

BTW, I always thought producers had a lot of say in mixing, but it seems that's not the case, because a lot of the mixing on SYW sucked.

Mark Needham was Lindsey's choice though, and it seems that Lindsey was the one overseeing the mixes... so I think, despite some fan quibbles, the finished mixes reflected Lindsey's vision.

[dissention]

For me, the difference between Stevie's solo "Thrown Down" and the 'Say You Will' version, is a good example of Lindsey taking an already fantastic song and just making it that much better.

I'm not someone who thinks Lindsey should always produce everything Stevie records, but in some cases I think his influence spurs the song to even greater heights.
While others prefer the previously-known versions of "Smile At You," "Running Through The Garden" and "Goodbye Baby," I prefer Lindsey's 'SYW' production in those cases too.

I think "Thrown Down" became more intimate and "shimmering" in Lindsey's hands. It's not like I dislike the 'TISL' outtake though... it's a great song in any form, IMO.

I do agree that the ending of the 'SYW' version sounds rushed though... like something was edited out of it at the last minute, to make the track shorter.

I'm just not one that feels sparse production equals intimacy. A song is either intimate or it isn't, it all depends on the person listening to it. I've never liked the plodding feel to the album version, it makes the song and the band sound tired and uninspired. If I ever I have to point to Lindsey's production killing a Nicks song, it will be the production on Thrown Down.

The TISL outtake is nothing special lyrically or musically (musically, it's rather bland, too). But the way it's all conveyed in the vocals and the dynamic between the two just seals the deal for me. The fast tempo doesn't hurt, either.

Wish those damned background singers weren't on it, though, they are annoying as all hell. But, then again, I hate most of the background singers most of the time. :laugh:

[dissention]

Mark Needham was Lindsey's choice though, and it seems that Lindsey was the one overseeing the mixes... so I think, despite some fan quibbles, the finished mixes reflected Lindsey's vision.

Some of the songs are stellar in the mixing department, others blow chunks. Lindsey's a good producer, but he's got bad taste in mixers. If the mixes on SYW are reflections of his "vision," I may just have to rethink my love for him. :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Mark Needham was Lindsey's choice though, and it seems that Lindsey was the one overseeing the mixes... so I think, despite some fan quibbles, the finished mixes reflected Lindsey's vision.


Minus Destiny Rules....which has the best production on the album. It's plain, simple, and to the point.

[Johnny Stew]

I've never liked the plodding feel to the album version, it makes the song and the band sound tired and uninspired. If I ever I have to point to Lindsey's production killing a Nicks song, it will be the production on Thrown Down.

Which is ironic, because I don't think the 'SYW' "Thrown Down" sounds "plodding" at all... I think it moves along at a nice, slinky pace, which is just right for the sensuous vibe of the song.
"Plodding" has always been a description I've reserved for "Save Me A Place," which you love... so go figure! :laugh:

If I ever I have to point to Lindsey's production killing a Nicks song, it will be the production on Thrown Down.

This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance), and since so many people dislike the "altered voices" effects in "Illume" and "Everybody Finds Out"....

Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?

Let me go on record as saying that, personally, I prefer Lindsey's production on all the aforementioned songs, above any of the earlier recordings. In every case.
But I've noticed quite a few other fans... even some of the bigger Buckingham fans... stating that they were less-than-thrilled with the production and arrangement touches on Stevie's 'SYW' songs. So it has me wondering.

[Johnny Stew]

Minus Destiny Rules....which has the best production on the album. It's plain, simple, and to the point.

You know, I started to bring up "Destiny Rules," but decided that my post would veer off and become too long (like so many of my others!). :o
But you're right... I do think "Destiny Rules" has some of the best mixing on the album, thanks to Chris Lord-Alge.

I also think Lord-Alge's radio mix of "Say You Will" blows the album mix out of the water.

Lindsey obviously prefers Mark Needham best though, as he used him again on his 'Live In Boston' tracks.

[wondergirl9847]

Wish those damned background singers weren't on it, though, they are annoying as all hell. But, then again, I hate most of the background singers most of the time. :laugh:

I think Stevie sounds best when she's harmonizing with herself. Obviously, she can't do that live (LOL), but on record.....nicks (hehe) the background singers.

[strandinthewind]

Which is ironic, because I don't think the 'SYW' "Thrown Down" sounds "plodding" at all... I think it moves along at a nice, slinky pace, which is just right for the sensuous vibe of the song.
"Plodding" has always been a description I've reserved for "Save Me A Place," which you love... so go figure! :laugh:



This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance), and since so many people dislike the "altered voices" effects in "Illume" and "Everybody Finds Out"....

Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?

Let me go on record as saying that, personally, I prefer Lindsey's production on all the aforementioned songs, above any of the earlier recordings. In every case.
But I've noticed quite a few other fans... even some of the bigger Buckingham fans... stating that they were less-than-thrilled with the production and arrangement touches on Stevie's 'SYW' songs. So it has me wondering.

Here comes the rockets - run for life cried the mad hatter :laugh:

Seriously, I think alot of the mellower vibe to SMA came from Stevie. I have nothing to base this on - its just a feeling :cool:

[sodascouts]

on the LB board that a copy of the ACLU disc (With the original LB solo version of "Peacekeeper" & Stevie's "Touched By An Angel") was up for auction on eBay....It sold for $9.99 (Which IMO is a bargain)

Brian j.

lol In my obsessiveness I'd already bought it.

[Dreammms]

I have to admit, though, I'd never thought about dissention's suggestion that it was meant to be a Stevie solo with Lindsey as a guest. To have him guest on a song about him, in such a powerful way - that would have been AWESOME!

wait wasnt that thrown down supposed to be on TISL????
that's what i always thought

[Serrart]

This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance), and since so many people dislike the "altered voices" effects in "Illume" and "Everybody Finds Out"....

Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?

Let me go on record as saying that, personally, I prefer Lindsey's production on all the aforementioned songs, above any of the earlier recordings. In every case.
But I've noticed quite a few other fans... even some of the bigger Buckingham fans... stating that they were less-than-thrilled with the production and arrangement touches on Stevie's 'SYW' songs. So it has me wondering.

I loved Lindsey's production on the album, with maybe the only exception of Illume, that it cried for an acoustic arrangement, IMO.

About the mix, I would have much preferred Chris Lord-Alge for all Stevie's songs. His choices seem to me much more creative, and the work he did on TISL is superb.

Romy

[David]

This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance)Ken's completely misinformed!
Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?Yes, I think so. He's not even quite as in tune with what's best for his own stuff as he used to be.

However, I like "Thrown Down" on the album. It's just about 22 years too late.

[dissention]

This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance), and since so many people dislike the "altered voices" effects in "Illume" and "Everybody Finds Out"....

Ken's wrong, but I'll stay on point. :laugh:

I prefer Goodbye Baby on the album, I think the production is perfection. I can't bear listening to her pound on a beautiful piano like a five year old who's had too much candy on the demos.

The only thing I prefer on the RTTG outtake is her voice and the duleing vocals. It has nothing to do with production, really, since they're essentially the same (but the SYW version is better). I suspect that it was intentional for the production to be plastic.

Smile At You is great and I think it blows away the angry demo, which I never liked (too much screaming). The guitar at the end makes the song for me.

The altered voices bother me, always have. However, the blame lies on both their shoulders. Stevie certainly wouldn't let him do something she didn't like to her "children." ;)

Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?

I don't think either of them are, honestly, but I *shudder* to think what most of them would sound like in the hands of John Shanks or Mike Campbell. No thank you. :angel:

Let me go on record as saying that, personally, I prefer Lindsey's production on all the aforementioned songs, above any of the earlier recordings. In every case.

I do, too. ;)

[sodascouts]

Peacekeeper was mangled beyond recognition. As for Stevie being so up front in the mix, what do you think of the remix from Europe (Tin Tin or something like that)? Oy vey, I can barely hear Lindsey. And something about the vocal at the end of the song, he sounds like he's eating and singing at the same time. :shrug: :laugh:


I went back and listened to it - Stevie is so loud - ugh! But it is a little peppier, so it's not all bad. The closest we'll get to a dance mix of Peacekeeper. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance), and since so many people dislike the "altered voices" effects in "Illume" and "Everybody Finds Out"....

Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?

Let me go on record as saying that, personally, I prefer Lindsey's production on all the aforementioned songs, above any of the earlier recordings. In every case.
But I've noticed quite a few other fans... even some of the bigger Buckingham fans... stating that they were less-than-thrilled with the production and arrangement touches on Stevie's 'SYW' songs. So it has me wondering.

I don't know if you're necessarily referring to me as one of the folks you're talking about, but I know I have complained about some of the above. As I've said before, I prefer his take on Thrown Down and I love the addition of his guitar work on RTTG, althoguh I admit I missed the overlapping vocals "Never did I mean to (until she herself) imprison you (became the deadliest poison)" - that's so cool. Otherwise the SYW version is better.

Regarding Smile At You and Illume.... I'll be frank here.... Lindsey botched them. Don't tell me those unnatural sounds and freakish vocals were Stevie's idea. I'm sure he sold her on it, but it was his idea. And it was a bad one.

Regarding EFO - I adore that mix. It rocks. The echo vocal really works.

So, what's my assessment? I still think Lindsey can take Stevie's songs to places they'd never get to otherwise. I love what he does to MOST of her songs. However, sometimes, it appears he can get out of control and take them TOO far. That's reflected in his own work, when it gets over-produced and gimmicky, and his own self-indulgences occasionally spill over onto Stevie's music when he's producing it. When he controls his tendency to do that, he's still the best there is. http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/images/smileys/smile.gif

[Johnny Stew]

Ken's completely misinformed!

Ken's wrong, but I'll stay on point. :laugh:

It sure seems like he has to be wrong on that one, yet he seemed pretty positive that it was never recorded by Fleetwood Mac during the years he was around.

I've always thought it sounded like Fleetwood Mac, and not some group of session players trying to sound like Fleetwood Mac.

I'd love some proof one way or the other. Although I guess the fact that master copies of the song surfaced with other Mac demos and outtakes should be proof enough.

[wondergirl9847]

I agree about the dueling vocals on RTTG, I LOVE that on the demo...wish they had stayed, but I like it on SYW too.

Smile at You...that song kicks no matter what, so I love all versions. Each version has something great to offer. :nod:

The only song I'm peeved about is PK, because his solo version is just WAYYYYYYYYY (infinity) better than the SYW version.

Goodbye Baby bothers me because she seems off beat or something, and the ticking doesn't help. LOL I like the song, but the rhythm seems off to me. :shrug:

[blinker12]

This actually brings up an interesting question (though hopefully not another Ledge war):
Since so many fans seem to prefer Stevie's solo outtake of "Running Through The Garden," what we now know is a solo version of "Thrown Down," her piano demo of "Goodbye Baby," and the "angry" version of "Smile At You" (which Ken Caillat has gone on record as saying was NOT recorded by Fleetwood Mac, but rather by Stevie's solo band, and a guitarist recreating Lindsey's style -- much to Lindsey's annoyance), and since so many people dislike the "altered voices" effects in "Illume" and "Everybody Finds Out"....

Is Lindsey not quite as in-tune with what's best for Stevie's songs as he used to be?

No, I don't think he is. I've actually half-entertained making this point before, but didn't want to cause a big fight.

I think he did an absolutely *abysmal* job with the song "Say You Will." Those electric guitar parts in the verse are about the most pedestrian I've ever heard from him, and the children's chorus makes me cringe.

On "Illume," those silly voice effects nearly ruin what may be Stevie's best new song of the past 20 years.

"Smile at You" -- I have the same complaints many others have expressed.

"Silver Girl" is flat, and "Destiny Rules" is OK -- I really like the banjo stuff at the end -- but he steals an old guitar riff from "World Turning" for the verse.

I feel the only song he worked his old magic on was "Thrown Down," which has a simple and elegant arrangement that masks Stevie's rather boring chords -- though I see I'm in the minority on that.

In general, I'd say the problem is that he doesn't give her songs -- or his, for the matter -- enough room to breathe. There are too many overdubs, too many effects. Less is more. That's why I love "Rumours" and especially "Tusk" so much -- they weren't overdone. He used to leave something to the imagination!

[rianbay1]

I think My Heart is atrocious. :distress: The lyrics are pretty good, but it's so AC and overproduced, even more than the rest of TISL. I can't really grasp much of a melody, either. Someone sent it to me awhile back raving about it, but I was left quite cold. One of the things that makes my ears bleed is the melodramatic music during the verses. My word, it sounds like stock music from a Streisand record.

HOWEVER -----

I loooooooooove Bombay Sapphires. It slays the album version.


What a suprise that you would say something like this Dissention :D

[glitter_fades]

No, I don't think he is. I've actually half-entertained making this point before, but didn't want to cause a big fight.

I think he did an absolutely *abysmal* job with the song "Say You Will." Those electric guitar parts in the verse are about the most pedestrian I've ever heard from him, and the children's chorus makes me cringe.

On "Illume," those silly voice effects nearly ruin what may be Stevie's best new song of the past 20 years.

"Smile at You" -- I have the same complaints many others have expressed.

"Silver Girl" is flat, and "Destiny Rules" is OK -- I really like the banjo stuff at the end -- but he steals an old guitar riff from "World Turning" for the verse.

I feel the only song he worked his old magic on was "Thrown Down," which has a simple and elegant arrangement that masks Stevie's rather boring chords -- though I see I'm in the minority on that.

In general, I'd say the problem is that he doesn't give her songs -- or his, for the matter -- enough room to breathe. There are too many overdubs, too many effects. Less is more. That's why I love "Rumours" and especially "Tusk" so much -- they weren't overdone. He used to leave something to the imagination!

I have nearly the same criticisms on those songs. However, I wonder if the reason he's not doing a comparable job on her work as before has to do with the power dynamic taking a strong shift toward compromise? I'm sure on Stevie's songs LB's influence is watered down, especially when they disagree. My guess is, in order to keep things from getting combative on everything he does for her, he's doing it the way she wants most of the time. JMHO.

I fault him for ruining Illume, but I think some of the other clunkers should be placed at Stevie's feet. If you think he does what he really wants with her stuff anymore, I'd say you've got another thing coming. Do you really think the SYW kiddie chorus was his idea? I really dislike that intensely. Yet, wasn't it Stevie who pointed out in the DR Doc that music is sold to people ages 10-27? I see some campaigning here for the pre-teen market.

The only song I disagree with you on is Smile at You. Even though everyone likes the old demo better, I love this version. I agree, Thrown Down is closest to the old magic as anything on SYW. On his own songs, I like most of what he did, but the GOS demos were often better. The treatment of Say Goodbye on the recording is the only one that doesn't work for me. After seeing it simplified being done live, it's clear he overdid it in the studio.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Honestly it makes me wonder why Say You Will took so damn long to make. I mean most of Lindsey's song were DONE, all he had to do was add Stevie's voice. Stevie's songs like "Silver Girl," "Thrown Down," and "Say You Will" aren't much different than the "Demos" she brought that we say in the documentary...what took them so long?


Chris

[gldstwmn]

The Silver Girl demo that was played in Destiny Rules was fab. I can't stand the song on SYW.
Say Goodbye should have been done just as it was live. It is their song, so that was a missed opportunity, IMO.
I cannot abide Smile At You. It's an angry rock and roll song and should be treated as such.
Illume is so beautiful that I am willing to forgive the helium voices.
Chris Lord Alge's mixes stand right out. I think it would have been worth the time to let him mix it, although I like what he did with Thrown Down.
Perhaps there should have been a little more fighting and a little less compromise.

[glitter_fades]

Perhaps there should have been a little more fighting and a little less compromise.

Here, here! :wavey:

.

[strandinthewind]

I agree - I think Stevie should have stood her ground regarding Lord-Alge. I also think from what we have heard of the SG demo (if anyone has the whole thing - Uh Hm [email protected] :laugh: ) - it was beautiful with the flute, etc. But, we got what we got, and I like almost all of it. So . . . :woohoo:

[dissention]

I agree - I think Stevie should have stood her ground regarding Lord-Alge. I also think from what we have heard of the SG demo (if anyone has the whole thing - Uh Hm [email protected] :laugh: ) - it was beautiful with the flute, etc. But, we got what we got, and I like almost all of it. So . . . :woohoo:

I particularly like the ending. "Sometimes...she's an actress...but you'll never really know." She doesn't really sing it, she speaks it and I love it. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

I particularly like the ending. "Sometimes...she's an actress...but you'll never really know." She doesn't really sing it, she speaks it and I love it. :nod:

I also love how she says

You cannot see her soul and then she cleverly IMO twists it to a pleading SEE her soul

I love the song and I am not ashamed to say so :laugh:

[dissention]

I love the song and I am not ashamed to say so :laugh:

Me, neither. I think it's great. It sounds straight out of the Street Angel sessions, but I think it's one of her better performances on the album. She paints quite a vivid picture in that song.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

It took Silver Girl a while to grow on me, but I like it too myself. I know a lot of ppl cant stand RUNNING THROUGH THE GARDEN from SYW , but it's still my fav. track on the CD

Chris

[sparky]

Me, neither. I think it's great. It sounds straight out of the Street Angel sessions, but I think it's one of her better performances on the album. She paints quite a vivid picture in that song.

You guys. God Bless Ya. I think the vocal is great, but the lyrics and production are alternately embarrassing and amateur. Definitely one of those songs my friends hear and can't help but ask me, "THIS is one of your favorite songwriters, right ? EXPLAIN THIS."
:lol:

[dissention]

You guys. God Bless Ya. I think the vocal is great, but the lyrics and production are alternately embarrassing and amateur. Definitely one of those songs my friends hear and can't help but ask me, "THIS is one of your favorite songwriters, right ? EXPLAIN THIS."
:lol:

The music is atrocious and some of the lyrics are downright embarassing, but I get what she was trying to do with it and kind of like it. It's nowhere near as wretched as Say You Will or Thrown Down. :shocked:

[sparky]

The music is atrocious and some of the lyrics are downright embarassing, but I get what she was trying to do with it and kind of like it. It's nowhere near as wretched as Say You Will or Thrown Down. :shocked:

What, I ask you, in either of those songs is WORSE than the lyrics, "She was a girly girl, caught in a hardcore world" ? I could go on with the lyrics, my friend. And that intro music...those tentative little wisps of keyboard. It reminds me of how one reviewer in 1983 said the intro to Sable On Blonde sounded like the music for a feminine hygiene commercial. That would be Silver Girl.

[dissention]

What, I ask you, in either of those songs is WORSE than the lyrics, "She was a girly girl, caught in a hardcore world" ? I could go on with the lyrics, my friend. And that intro music...those tentative little wisps of keyboard. It reminds me of how one reviewer in 1983 said the intro to Sable On Blonde sounded like the music for a feminine hygiene commercial. That would be Silver Girl.

:lol: :lol:

Those are the lyrics that make me cringe. Along with "Say you will give me one more chance, at least give me time to change your mind." Can we get ANY more cliched and vaccous?

Christ, I still cannot get over the fact that she doesn't finish her train of thought in the first verse of Say You Will. It ruins the song for me, along with the chipmunks at the end. If I wanted to hear those creepy little voices, I'd put Rock A Little in my record player and play it at 45 speed.

[sparky]

:lol: :lol:

Those are the lyrics that make me cringe. Along with "Say you will give me one more chance, at least give me time to change your mind." Can we get ANY more cliched and vaccous?

I agree that the cliched little pleading victim vibe there makes me wince, but it is at least....not as clunky and out of kilter as SG.




Christ, I still cannot get over the fact that she doesn't finish her train of thought in the first verse of Say You Will. It ruins the song for me, along with the chipmunks at the end. If I wanted to hear those creepy little voices, I'd put Rock A Little in my record player and play it at 45 speed.

Or just the "How will we feel 20 years from now" part of I Can't Wait.

How will we feel twenty years from now ? - Like we should have gone to Betty Ford 3 years earlier, that's how !

[dissention]

I agree that the cliched little pleading victim vibe there makes me wince, but it is at least....not as clunky and out of kilter as SG.

It's even worse in If You Ever Did Believe. She sounds like one of those battered girlfriends on Maury, "Baby, don't leave me, I promise to clip your toenails after work each week. I love you, baby, don't leave me, I'm donw on my knees. I'll even bite the corns off, baby."

Or just the "How will we feel 20 years from now" part of I Can't Wait.

How will we feel twenty years from now ? - Like we should have gone to Betty Ford 3 years earlier, that's how !

:lol:

I'm DYYYYYYYYYING. :laugh:

[sparky]

It's even worse in If You Ever Did Believe. She sounds like one of those battered girlfriends on Maury, "Baby, don't leave me, I promise to clip your toenails after work each week. I love you, baby, don't leave me, I'm donw on my knees. I'll even bite the corns off, baby."

That made me cackle like an old wet hen.

I'd love to continue this dazzling witty repartee, but my crew just called me. I have sets that need a decoratin'.

[dissention]

That made me cackle like an old wet hen.

I'd love to continue this dazzling witty repartee, but my crew just called me. I have sets that need a decoratin'.

Bite them corns off, baby. :xoxo: :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

What, I ask you, in either of those songs is WORSE than the lyrics, "She was a girly girl, caught in a hardcore world" ?

It's very porn. :laugh:

[amber]

What, I ask you, in either of those songs is WORSE than the lyrics, "She was a girly girl, caught in a hardcore world" ? I could go on with the lyrics, my friend. And that intro music...those tentative little wisps of keyboard. It reminds me of how one reviewer in 1983 said the intro to Sable On Blonde sounded like the music for a feminine hygiene commercial. That would be Silver Girl.
for my two cents...nothing, NOTHING is worse than the lyrics in Silver Girl. I'm embarrassed just reading them here...IYEDB doesn't even come close!

[dissention]

It's very porn. :laugh:

Remember that review where the critic actually thought it was about a porn star?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[glitter_fades]

I agree - I think Stevie should have stood her ground regarding Lord-Alge.

Another case where compromise might have damaged the final product.

Are happy campers able to make the music we've all come to know and love? :confused:

[strandinthewind]

Another case where compromise might have damaged the final product.

Are happy campers able to make the music we've all come to know and love? :confused:

I know - AND - I think Tusk was not really a huge war. I have nothing to base it on. But, it is just a feeling. So, go figure.

[dissention]

Another case where compromise might have damaged the final product.

Are happy campers able to make the music we've all come to know and love? :confused:

Yeah, but I think Alge's mixes take a lot of warmth away from her vocals. TISL, for example, is one acquired taste of an album and that has a lot to do with her vocals in the mix.

[glitter_fades]

Me, neither. I think it's great. It sounds straight out of the Street Angel sessions, but I think it's one of her better performances on the album. She paints quite a vivid picture in that song.

This is one for the record books. WE DO NOT AGREE? :laugh: SG makes me gag. :sorry:

Am I the only one who thought the guys were being sarcastic in DR praising the demo so much?

:angel:

[sodascouts]

This is one for the record books. WE DO NOT AGREE? :laugh: SG makes me gag. :sorry:

Am I the only one who thought the guys were being sarcastic in DR praising the demo so much?

:angel:

I don't think they were being sarcastic. However, I wouldn't put it past them to be kissing up and overdoing their praise for the sake of the camera. The other option (and actually the one I lean towards) is that they were praising ALL the demos and not just Silver Girl.

I have to say it's my least favorite on the album. Lame lyrics, dull tune. Self-indulgent to boot. "Oh let me sing about my famous friend." :rolleyes:

[EnchantedSLN]

Self-indulgent to boot. "Oh let me sing about my famous friend." :rolleyes:

As opposed to "Oh let me sing about my famous self." :laugh:

[dissention]

As opposed to "Oh let me sing about my famous self." :laugh:

:lol:

Will you write this for me?
He says No, write your songs yourself
That made me stronger
Made Dissention sicker

[amber]

:lol:

Will you write this for me?
He says No, write your songs yourself
That made me stronger
Made Dissention sicker
:lol: "made Dissention sicker, too."

[Serrart]

I don't think they were being sarcastic. However, I wouldn't put it past them to be kissing up and overdoing their praise for the sake of the camera. The other option (and actually the one I lean towards) is that they were praising ALL the demos and not just Silver Girl.

I also thought they were referring to all the demos, but just in case I'd like to listen to the SG demo with the flute, so whoever is hiding it, could please bring it out? :p

I have to say it's my least favorite on the album. Lame lyrics, dull tune. Self-indulgent to boot. "Oh let me sing about my famous friend." :rolleyes:

To me it sounds more about herself than about Sheryl, especially in the chorus, the part I like. :)

Romy

[sodascouts]

To me it sounds more about herself than about Sheryl, especially in the chorus, the part I like. :)

Romy

I thought she said somewhere it was about Sheryl, but if she's talking about herself, that's even worse! lol

[greatdarkwing]

How come every thread Dissention and Jason touch turns into 14 plus pages? :laugh: :laugh:

~Alex

[sparky]

I thought she said somewhere it was about Sheryl, but if she's talking about herself, that's even worse! lol

She has said it is about Sheryl, but also about "girls like Sheryl". Which, of course means it is about Stevie too. But then again, aren't all of Stevie's songs about Stevie, when you get down to it ? :laugh:

[dissention]

She has said it is about Sheryl, but also about "girls like Sheryl". Which, of course means it is about Stevie too. But then again, aren't all of Stevie's songs about Stevie, when you get down to it ? :laugh:

Does the Pope wear a funny hat?

[dissention]

How come every thread Dissention and Jason touch turns into 14 plus pages? :laugh: :laugh:

~Alex

It's called the gift of gab, darling.

And you know what I've always said, if you ain't got anything nice to say, come post with me. :laugh:

[greatdarkwing]

It's called the gift of gab, darling.

And you know what I've always said, if you ain't got anything nice to say, come post with me. :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh:

BTW, I was just thinking....we havent fought in a VERY long time! Is hell freezing over, or is the Chit Chat Board low on political threads? :lol:

~Alex

[dissention]

:laugh: :laugh:

BTW, I was just thinking....we havent fought in a VERY long time! Is hell freezing over, or is the Chit Chat Board low on political threads? :lol:

~Alex

No, I'm just low on morale and even lower on tolerance these days. It's better not to talk about the Evil Empire.

[strandinthewind]

How come every thread Dissention and Jason touch turns into 14 plus pages? :laugh: :laugh:

~Alex

hey now :laugh: