Is anyone looking for a house to buy?

[TwistedGypsy]

http://www.belairvilla.com/ (http://)
http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListing.asp?snum=114&frm=byzip&lid=Enter+MLS+ID&pgnum=12&ss_aywr=&st=&mls=xmls&mnbed=0&js=on&mnsqft=0&fid=so&vtsort=&poe=realtor&mnprice=0&areaid=90077&zp=90077&ct=&mxprice=99999999&typ=1&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&exft=0&mnbath=0&sid=03C60AC4CA64C&snumxlid=1040795438&lnksrc=00002 (http://)

If your interested this house is only 21 million!
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I wonder what this means? :thumbsup: :nod:
Brit

[GardenStateGirlie]

Naughty, Brit! It means they have to sell their brand new house, build a new one on another property. You know they wanted to put in an 8th bathroom but ran out of room :rolleyes: ;)

[wondergirl9847]

Well, well...what COULD this mean? It's such a beautiful home too. :( I love the staircase. Seems like yesterday when that article came out about the house. :shocked:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Well, well...what COULD this mean? It's such a beautiful home too. :( I love the staircase. Seems like yesterday when that article came out about the house. :shocked:

Frankly, I'm perplexed as to why you'd sell the house you've been working on for a few years that you call your "greatest accomplishment." Strange.

[amber]

OH, NO. let the speculation begin.

[tuigirl]

OK..so what do you do with 7 bathrooms for goodness sake? Have a shower in a diff room every night???? That would drive me batty...... :eek:

Also, does this mean, any thoughts of a solo album coming out of the new studio are doomed? So many questions!!!!

[Johnny Stew]

OH, NO. let the speculation begin.

Lindsey and Tom Cruise are running off to Massachusetts together. ;) :p

[amber]

Lindsey and Tom Cruise are running off to Massachusetts together. ;) :p
:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:
Sweeeeet.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Frankly, I'm perplexed as to why you'd sell the house you've been working on for a few years that you call your "greatest accomplishment." Strange.

It does seem a bit odd don't you think. :confused:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Lindsey and Tom Cruise are running off to Massachusetts together. ;) :p

:laugh: Well, I hope that they go to Seekonk or South Attleboro so they will be right over the Rhode Island border. :D

[WelshWitchPMD]

Frankly, I'm perplexed as to why you'd sell the house you've been working on for a few years that you call your "greatest accomplishment." Strange.


OOH OOH I know! It just came to me. :laugh: He must be buying/renting a 2 bedroom apartment in West Pacoima, LA, CA :D

[Kelly]

LOL...Patty I thought the same thing. He must be moving to the two bedroom apartment!!

Sad..its really beautiful.

[Kelly]

Here is another head scratcher, at least for me, the listing is September 11, 2004. Right in the middle of the last three shows......huh.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Hmmm.... trouble in paridise! I say we all club together and buy it! hehe

[WelshWitchPMD]

Here is another head scratcher, at least for me, the listing is September 11, 2004. Right in the middle of the last three shows......huh.

Hmm where is the listing date on that page? I can't seem to find it. You know what is funny I took this photo of LB in my sig on Sept 12, 2004. :laugh:

[Kelly]

Umm sorry Patty. I have some other pages with the listing..it has his address listed so I did not post those links..don't want to list his addy on the boards. I can send you the link through email or PM if you want. The house was listed for sale on September 11, 2004 and I was thinking that about your photo just this morning. I cannot get over how beautiful the view is from this home..the only thing is, you would not even know any kids even lived here... Not a toy or swingset in sight. Beautiful grounds nonetheless.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Umm sorry Patty. I have some other pages with the listing..it has his address listed so I did not post those links..don't want to list his addy on the boards. I can send you the link through email or PM if you want. The house was listed for sale on September 11, 2004 and I was thinking that about your photo just this morning. I cannot get over how beautiful the view is from this home..the only thing is, you would not even know any kids even lived here... Not a toy or swingset in sight. Beautiful grounds nonetheless.


Ok Kelly, PM me. Thanks.

I guess that the cleaning people do a great job clearing the toys out of the way. LOL

I hope that he finds a place for the recording studio equipment. He needs to get cracking on that next solo LP. :nod:

[GardenStateGirlie]

OOH OOH I know! It just came to me. :laugh: He must be buying/renting a 2 bedroom apartment in West Pacoima, LA, CA :D

:lol: I thought the same thing

[dissention]

Rich people are so vulgar. :rolleyes:

[shackin'up]

This IS mindboggling news. What the heck is going on? Friggin' Nicks on the loose? Or: You love your studio more than me? Or IS it Tom Cruise.... :rolleyes:

[wondergirl9847]

This IS mindboggling news. What the heck is going on? Friggin' Nicks on the loose? Or: You love your studio more than me? Or IS it Tom Cruise.... :rolleyes:

If Tom Cruise keeps Lindsey from that solo album, HEADS WILL ROLL!!!! :mad:

[madformac]

I have a couple of guesses some silly, others not so silly about why it's up for sale....

1) Maybe Lindsey prefers living in the Four Seasons hotel... He spent so long living there maybe he just can't adjust to a house! :shrug:

2) Maybe the whole house was rebuilt and decorated to be sold at a profit, although if he actually owns the land too it seems kinda cheap :shocked:

3) Do you think he's actually sick of living in LA and wants to move away? Does he want to get away to start over in another city or even state thats safer with better social influences for his kids to grow up? :nod:

4) Has W's re-election made his mind up to get out of the USA to protect his family? He's seen a few countries this past 18 months maybe he's seen somewhere he prefers?.... :shrug: We have heard hints about his political feelings in his music

5) Stevie has a few spare rooms in Arizona and he's decided to take up her offer to move the family in! :eek: :eek: :shocked:

6) He's earned sooooooooooooooooo much money on this tour, 5 bedrooms and 7 bathrooms are just frankly not enough!?!? :eek: :shrug:

:wavey:

[ThePenguin]

Wow, that house is gorgeous, but honestly it's not very cozy, can't imagine raising 3 kids there. They must not have photographed the rubber room in the basement where they keep the young uns' so they can't break any of those expensive valuables. :confused:

Great view though. 21 mill, my goodness.

-Lis

[Barbara]

It is gorgeous, but I too wondered where the kids' stuff is? One of the things I noticed in the kitchen was no high chair. Maybe Lindsey and Kristen found the location of the house was not kid-friendly, especially when they get involved in activities that require car pooling. Maybe there were too many fans driving by all the time and they worried about the kids' security . . . :shrug:

Barbara

[WelshWitchPMD]

OK I am really enjoying looking at the slide show of the property photos. It
really is nice and I have Law and Order playing on the PC and it is making for a very interesting soundtrack.

Just thought that I would share. :)

[amber]

OK I am really enjoying looking at the slide show of the property photos. It
really is nice and I have Law and Order playing on the PC and it is making for a very interesting soundtrack.

Just thought that I would share. :)
cool. I'll share now. those links don't work for me, they all say unavailable. :mad:

[EnchantedSLN]

Maybe there's another baby on the way and they need some more bedrooms ;). It's a gorgeous home. The Town and Country article really didn't do it justice. As far as it not being cozy... it looks alright to me. Too neat, yes, but it's expected that they would put all the kid's stuff away before photographing for a style magazine or a real estate listing. I doubt most of the houses in design articles or on Cribs really look like that all the time.

[tuigirl]

I have a couple of guesses some silly, others not so silly about why it's up for sale....
3) Do you think he's actually sick of living in LA and wants to move away? Does he want to get away to start over in another city or even state thats safer with better social influences for his kids to grow up? :nod:

:wavey:

I was thinking something similar, maybe it's back to Kristens home state (is it Wisconsin?)..you know farm house/chickens/horses, whatever..how cool would that be...or..what about, he needs the money to build Buckingham Record label Ltd to finance his solo work and up coming artists.. :cool:

[glitter_fades]

:lol: I thought the same thing

Marissa,

I didn't want to post over there because I didn't want to start any new drama. I've gota tell you, I loved your post about this topic at the BN board. Even if I don't agree with every point, it was very well thought out speculation. Very entertaining too! You know how to spin a good yarn. :thumbsup:

Who the hell knows what the rich and famous really want out of life?
Are they really like rest of us? I wonder...

It sure is a shame he's letting such a fabulous property go. I can think of somebody who likes to live fabulously especially while suffering.
If you have to suffer why not be fabulous while you're doing it? Sound familiar?

[Mari]

maybe the purpose of the article was to increase the value for selling purposes?
and maybe he's leaving the country because of dubya.. lol, thought the same thing

[Serrart]

It doesn't make any sense to me. I can't really see him wasting two years of his life creating such a house, with a studio where he said he wanted to work on his solo and the next FM album only to sell it.

Tom Cruise... definitely Tom Cruise. :nod: ;)

Romy

[dissention]

I can't wait to see how people are going to pounce on this as somehow being about trouble in the Buckingham's marriage. Everything is eventual and no one's been making any ridiculous claims about the "love triangle" that is supposedly made up of Lindsey, Kristin, and Stevie for quite awhile. :rolleyes: :laugh:

I can just imagine the thoughts going through the heads of the folks who just know that Lindsey and Queen Fairy Farts are having a torrid love affair and are going to get back together.

[DeadliestPoison]

All the marriage drama or lack thereof aside, can we start critiquing the house?

Because JESUS. TV in the bathtub? Lime green lamps with THE HEADBOARD? A painted-on-the-wall bookcase? A photograph on ONE SIDE of another bookcase, but not the other (composition, plz?)?

Someone get an interior designer in there. Jesus.

[dissention]

All the marriage drama or lack thereof aside, can we start critiquing the house?

Because JESUS. TV in the bathtub? Lime green lamps with THE HEADBOARD? A painted-on-the-wall bookcase? A photograph on ONE SIDE of another bookcase, but not the other (composition, plz?)?

Someone get an interior designer in there. Jesus.

Their biggest faux pas is having table lamps on the kitchen counters. The thought of that alone makes me physically ill. I quite like the headboard, but I don't like anything else in the bedroom. IMO, the whole house looks too "new rich," as in someone from a working class background hit the lottery, then bought and dressed up a house according to what they thought was in style without any of it having the slightest bit of warmth or history. Very dry and bland. I question the sanity of anyone who says that house is their "dream home." :laugh:

Don't even get me started on the whole Spanish theme, it's such old hat and if the Buckinghams were going to go for that look, they should infused it with something fresh.

[Merf]

I can't wait to see how people are going to pounce on this as somehow being about trouble in the Buckingham's marriage. Everything is eventual and no one's been making any ridiculous claims about the "love triangle" that is supposedly made up of Lindsey, Kristin, and Stevie for quite awhile. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Dissention, even YOU could admit that it's not that big of a jump to consider that as a serious possibility. Or have you just not been paying attention since, oh, 1997? What is your hypothesis on this situation anyway? I'd love to know why Kristen & Lindsey have decided to sell "their greatest achievement" only 2 years since it was completed. If you have the whole truth, believe me, I'm listening. I'd LOVE to hear it. :nod:

[dissention]

Dissention, even YOU could admit that it's not that big of a jump to consider that as a serious possibility. Or have you just not been paying attention since, oh, 1997? What is your hypothesis on this situation anyway? I'd love to know why Kristen & Lindsey have decided to sell "their greatest achievement" only 2 years since it was completed. If you have the whole truth, believe me, I'm listening. I'd LOVE to hear it. :nod:

You hit the nail on the head, Meredith. I wouldn't hypothesize as to why they're selling their house because I don't have one shred of evidence that would aid me in coming up with one. ;) For all I know, the whole thing was an investment opportunity. We all know that Lindsey is good with his money.

I've been paying attention perfectly well since '97 and there is nothing to suggest any of the wild things that so many people like to post and believe. People see what they want to see. You could give me a million examples of things that have occurred onstage, but not one of those things has any credibility to it. Stevie and Lindsey are entertainers and the drama is what made them so famous and is what continues to propel a lot of their success today. They play it up for the crowds and are totally conscious of what they're doing.

I also do not analyze interviews and try to find deep, hidden meanings when it comes to their comments like a lot of people do. I don't listen to their songs and automatically believe that the songs are about each other. And, quite frankly, there is nothing to suggest that anything is wrong with the Buckingham marriage or that Lindsey secretly pines over Stevie. It simply isn't realistic and if I wanted to, I could come up with lots of "evidence" that suggests that Lindsey has a thing for that background singer Jana. People see what they want to see. I have no problem with it, espeically if it helps in making someone enjoy the music even more. But let us not publicly insinuate things that we have no clue over because it isn't fair to either one of them. I know lots of people like to vilify Kristin online, but I don't and find it rather brazen and ignorant. Many seem to think that they can tell what's going on in her relationship with Lindsey or how she's feeling just by studying the look on her face at a concert. I don't think so and find that whole notion utterly laughable.

Obviously, this isn't necessarily directed at you, darling. But can't you see my point? I can point at all the "evidence" and other such nonsense if I wanted to, but it doesn't make the whole thing seem any more palatable or believable. None of us even knows them personally, let alone know them well enough to make such grand statements about what we believe to be occurring in their private lives.

PS: Your quite the match for David's snarkiness today.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I do think it's utterly plausable that they are possibly splitting. Who knows! But it doesn't mean that Stevie has to be involved in any of it. I see rejoicing elsewhere at the impending end to the Buckinghams marriage and the hope that he will be ending up in the arms of Stevie. The romantic in me would love to see this but also remember that 3 young children are very involved in anything that 'might' be occuring

[stefan]

Lindsey can marry a blue tomato- I don`t care for 5 cents.
The only trouble I see here is the new album being postponed for the next 4 years or so. What have we been doing wrong?

[dissention]

Lindsey can marry a blue tomato- I don`t care for 5 cents.
The only trouble I see here is the new album being postponed for the next 4 years or so. What have we been doing wrong?

Finally, a voice of reason. :lol: He could marry a mule named Sue and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

[dissention]

I do think it's utterly plausable that they are possibly splitting. Who knows! But it doesn't mean that Stevie has to be involved in any of it. I see rejoicing elsewhere at the impending end to the Buckinghams marriage and the hope that he will be ending up in the arms of Stevie. The romantic in me would love to see this but also remember that 3 young children are very involved in anything that 'might' be occuring

Of course it's plausible that they're splitting, just as it's plausible that Stevie is a lesbian and that John really put the John Kerry sticker on his own case. But whenever this whole "love triangle" business comes up, I don't hear anything plausible; I hear romantic fantasies that are even more flighty than anything Stevie could write or sing. Sometimes I wonder if the woman who has made her living by actually living in a dream world is more grounded in reality than her fans. I don't think she studies other celebrities and their facial expressions, only to jump onto a chat board and proclaim how such and such loves what's-his-name and how intense and passionate their unspoken love is. :laugh: No offense to anyone, but call a spade a spade. And the spade I currently see is telling me that none of us know a goddamned thing.

[gldstwmn]

Lindsey can marry a blue tomato- I don`t care for 5 cents.
The only trouble I see here is the new album being postponed for the next 4 years or so. What have we been doing wrong?

Actually, I think it's quite the opposite. If in fact the worst does occur, I see him working alot.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

And the spade I currently see is telling me that none of us know a goddamned thing.
Agreed. Yet 'I told you so' is being thrown around already. And I still think any 'split' (if indeed that is even what this sale is about) is sad for the kids involved

Pip

[sodascouts]

Actually, I think it's quite the opposite. If in fact the worst does occur, I see him working alot.

A la Go Insane ?

[dissention]

Agreed. Yet 'I told you so' is being thrown around already

Pip

Well, that simply reveals how childish and immature people can truly be. But, take solace in the fact that neither you or I are immature like that. :laugh:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Well, that simply reveals how childish and immature people can truly be. But, take solace in the fact that neither you or I are immature like that. :laugh:
You don't know me too well then :D :xoxo:

[dissention]

You don't know me too well then :D :xoxo:

:laugh: :lol:

I said "like that." I think the "Who do you find attractive?" thread has proven that we are mightily immature. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

A la Go Insane ?

Yes but I hope not. :o

[WelshWitchPMD]

Well, this thread has livened up the Lindsey board anyway. It was pretty slow around here. ;)

[amber]

Well, that simply reveals how childish and immature people can truly be. But, take solace in the fact that neither you or I are immature like that. :laugh:
Luckily, I am. :D I don't think they're splitting cause of a torrid affair with Stevie, but i want someone to explain away the one piece of evidence there is, about an affair (or the desire for one?). During Destiny Rules, when Stevie told Lindsey Thrown Down was about him. Thank you that is all.

[gldstwmn]

Does anyone else think the pool is in a strange place? Why would you put your pool in a shady area with large, mature trees? :confused: The landscaping is really gorgeous.

[gldstwmn]

Umm sorry Patty. I have some other pages with the listing..it has his address listed so I did not post those links..don't want to list his addy on the boards. I can send you the link through email or PM if you want. The house was listed for sale on September 11, 2004 and I was thinking that about your photo just this morning. I cannot get over how beautiful the view is from this home..the only thing is, you would not even know any kids even lived here... Not a toy or swingset in sight. Beautiful grounds nonetheless.

If I had to venture a guess, I would say that no one is living in that house. JMHO.

[Johnny Stew]

Lindsey and Queen Fairy Farts.

Hey, Diss... why no nicknames for Liddy? ;)

[dissention]

Hey, Diss... why no nicknames for Liddy? ;)

I couldn't think of one right away. :laugh: Gimme one, I'm all ears and have no qualms about using one. ;)

I guess I could call him Fidget. He fidgets like a kid being weened off of ritalin.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

:laugh: :lol:

I said "like that." I think the "Who do you find attractive?" thread has proven that we are mightily immature. :laugh:
:lol: :lol:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Investment? You decide.

For nineteen years, Lindsey Buckingham lived in a 4,000-square-foot hilltop house in L.A. that was distinguished less by architecture (he calls it a third-rate post-and-beam faux Neutra) than by its status as a monument to the blue-eyed, high-cheekboned Buckingham's days as a rock-icon bachelor.

"A lot of things happened up here," says the dry-witted singer/songwriter/guitarist/producer, whose recording sessions in his garage for Fleetwood Mac's mid-eighties reunion album, Tango in the Night, were so ego-charged they ended with his famous decadelong [sic] hiatus from the band. "It was crazy," he concludes.

Lindsey is fifty-four now and cozily domesticated, with a wife, Kristen; a six-year-old son, William; a four-year-old daughter, Leelee; and a third child born in April. During their preparenting days, the couple avoided the house and its ghosts of excesses past, preferring the polite luxury of the Four Seasons in Beverly Hills. It was two years' worth of mounting hotel bills and the sight of a very pregnant Kristen trudging through the grand lobby that finally signaled the need for Lindsey to put his old place on the market and search for a permanent family home.

Then he heard news that changed everything: potential buyer Richard Donner, the director of the Lethal Weapon films, planned to raze the house and "make it like a castle, with subterranean parking," says Lindsey with a shudder. Suddenly his appreciation for the property and its site – a westside promontory with a spectacular view of the L.A. basin, from the beach to downtown – was renewed. "Location-wise," he says, "we couldn't have done any better."

Slouched on a sofa in Kristen's new ground-floor study, Lindsey, in faded black jeans and a softly wrinkled linen shirt, idly picks out a tune on a blond-wood Spanish guitar and recalls coming to "the conclusion we'd be better tearing it down ourselves and making something totally our own. It was great – like making an album." He laughs and then punctuates the sentence with a quick guitar-string arpeggio. "Times two."

They began in the summer of 1999. Agreeing on a look – the 1920s Mediterranean Revival style of architect Wallace Neff – was easy; getting the size and siting right was a different story. "Too big, by about 5,000 square feet" is what Lindsey remembers thinking of L.A. architect Kevin Clark's first two designs, one of which aimed the house exclusively toward the Pacific. But strategy number three succeeded beautifully by reorienting the house to incorporate sweeping vistas of the downtown skyline and the Getty Museum and by scaling back the proportions to those Neff himself might have come up with for one of his movie-colony clients.

"Back then, people didn't build houses that were out of proportion," says Kristen, a photographer by training (she met her husband on a shoot for one of his solo albums). She signed off on a final floor plan that included four bedrooms, a living room, a dining room, a study, a family room and a trio of ground-floor loggias. That last touch was partly inspired by her memories of porches in Twin Lakes, Wisconsin, the small town where she was raised, and by the balmy southern California climate. "Sitting outside while you watch your kids play ball on the lawn – you can't beat it," she says.

During the months before construction began in fall 2000, the Buckinghams pored over books, met with experts and drove around southern California, checking out historic sites for details they hoped would give their new house a lived-in quality. "Kristen would say, 'How will we find an example of the way we want the stucco to look?'" Lindsey recalls. "Then we'd check out the Biltmore Hotel in Santa Barbara and say, 'Okay, this is what we want.' It became an obsession." (Over the years, the two had already applied a similarly single-minded approach to building their now-healthy collections of art, books and photographs.)

Inside the house, it's easy to pick out architectural elements in the spirit of various Mediterranean Revival styles, including arched doorways, beamed and painted ceilings and a wrought-iron railing that snakes up a curving stairway. When it comes to categorizing the decor, however, Madeline Stuart, the voluble Los Angeles-based interior and furniture designer who began collaborating with the Buckinghams in 1999, is at a loss for words.

"I'd love to come up with a name for it," admits Stuart, who grew up in a 1920s Spanish-style house in Beverly Hills and is the daughter of a producer/director father and a decorator mother whose work was favored by film stars. "Maybe something about how it lacks pretense and formality yet is comfortable and elegant."

Stuart is preoccupied with the idea that if you were to visit the home of one of her other celebrity clients – actor Jason Alexander, director Gary Ross, production executive John Goldwyn – you wouldn't detect a designer's hand. "I want people to walk in and think that everything has always been there, that it feels natural," she says.

At the Buckinghams', this means a highly dedicated eclecticism: fur-topped antler stools for watching TV in the family room; the master bedroom's 1930s leather-and-nickel chaise that, local lore has it, formerly belonged to Brad Pitt; Mexican dining chairs covered in cracked red leather around a table in the sunlight-filled kitchen; and a seashell-encrusted armoire in Leelee's room, just one of the many eccentric pieces Stuart and Kristen bid on successfully at the 2001 Christie's auction of the estate of Tony Duquette, the late L.A. decorating legend.

The vintage effect comes across so well, in fact, that it's not always easy to discern what's genuinely old and what's a custom-made Stuart/Buckingham knockoff. "If we couldn't locate it, then Madeline and I would research it and have it made," says Kristen, who found herself for the first time sketching things like drawer pulls, light fixtures and patterns for the tobacco-tinted terra-cotta floor tiles that vary slightly from room to room. "Once Kevin Clark gave us the original drawings, I just thought, I want to change this and this and this," she says. "The chance to draw something and have it built – that's amazing, really amazing. I thought, Wow, this is going to live on for years."

While Kristen has overseen the finishing touches, Lindsey's been on the road for much of the past twelve months, criss-crossing the United States, Europe and Australia with Fleetwood Mac on their "Say You Will" tour. But when he's home and walks out into the backyard, with its 280-degree view and its new swimming pool, he starts to imagine a future filled with... pool parties. "Kristen and I have always joked, 'If we build it, they will come,'" he says, gazing at the palm trees rustling overhead. "People who've been friends of mine for a long time need a place to come to reflect on the last twenty-five years of their lives. They seem to like being up here – it's so welcoming."

It's also exactly what he'd envisioned while encamped at the Four Seasons: a family place that has helped him put the past into proper perspective. Adjacent to the house, just beyond the gurgling French limestone fountain that Will and Leelee like to zoom around in their toy cars, is Lindsey's new recording studio, filled with maracas, tambourines, bells, a mixing console and twenty-five guitars, where he can hole up to work and sleep. The studio is constructed of old, pitted bricks Kristen found on the Internet and imported from Ohio; so the architectural historian who appeared on the premises one day not long ago can be forgiven for expressing alarm. "He's putting out a book on old homes in the area, and he thought he'd missed us," says Kristen, laughing. "We simply could not convince him that this was new. I consider it one of our biggest successes."

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I consider it one of our biggest successes."
Thanks for this post. Very interesting indeed. It certainly does make you wonder....

[dissention]

Investment? You decide.

You must be new to the world of celebrity real estate. :laugh: If I had a cent for every article where a celebrity gushed about their new home, only to sell it shortly thereafter, I'd be gushing about my new house...only to sell it shortly thereafter. :laugh:

Like I said, no one knows what's up. Maybe they are splitting, maybe they aren't. But what I find ignorant and downright STUPID is how people jump up and say that he's divorcing his wife to shack up with Stevie. I mean, my word, get some couth and some class.

[Johnny Stew]

I've been paying attention perfectly well since '97 and there is nothing to suggest any of the wild things that so many people like to post and believe. People see what they want to see.

But can't you see my point? I can point at all the "evidence" and other such nonsense if I wanted to, but it doesn't make the whole thing seem any more palatable or believable. None of us even knows them personally, let alone know them well enough to make such grand statements about what we believe to be occurring in their private lives.

To be honest, I don't care one way or the other whether Stevie and Lindsey are together or not.
In fact, the re-coupling of those two head-strong people would probably prove disastrous... so I guess I'd be inclined to prefer they not get back together.

And, frankly, any tension between them, in so far as unresolved or unrequited feelings, can only be a good thing, because it lends itself to the music.

But, I have to say that I think it's a tad ironic that someone who's a confessed gossip-lover, would so quickly poo-poo any gossiping or insinuating on the part of other fans. ;)

Sure some of it is wiiiillllld and ultra-inplausable, but I've read other bits of celebrity gossip that were equally wild and inplausible, but no less relished by those reporting it.
It's the nature of the beast, as they say.

So there's my 2 cents on the topic.

[Johnny Stew]

I couldn't think of one right away. :laugh: Gimme one, I'm all ears and have no qualms about using one. ;)

I guess I could call him Fidget. He fidgets like a kid being weened off of ritalin.

The Queen of Fairy Farts one has been around plenty long enough for you to come up with one for Lindsey. ;)

"Fidget" is lame... try again. Something more scathing this time. ;) :laugh:

[dissention]

But, I have to say that I think it's a tad ironic that someone who's a confessed gossip-lover, would so quickly poo-poo any gossiping or insinuating on the part of other fans. ;)

Sure some of it is wiiiillllld and ultra-inplausable, but I've read other bits of celebrity gossip that were equally wild and inplausible, but no less relished by those reporting it.
It's the nature of the beast, as they say.

There's a difference, in my opinion, between the trashy celebrity gossip that I love (the kind that is so ridiculous that it's unbelievable) and "gossip" that is simply imagined by fans and passed around fan circles, based on nothing more than a spoken word or a facial expression at a concert. I love gossip, but I laugh at those who actively create it and then believe it. I guess I can differentiate between fantasy and reality. ;)

[amber]

There's a difference, in my opinion, between the trashy celebrity gossip that I love (the kind that is so ridiculous that it's unbelievable) and "gossip" that is simply imagined by fans and passed around fan circles, based on nothing more than a spoken word or a facial expression at a concert. I love gossip, but I laugh at those who actively create it and then believe it. I guess I can differentiate between fantasy and reality. ;)
so, what's up with Thrown Down being about Lindsey?

[GardenStateGirlie]

You must be new to the world of celebrity real estate. :laugh: If I had a cent for every article where a celebrity gushed about their new home, only to sell it shortly thereafter, I'd be gushing about my new house...only to sell it shortly thereafter. :laugh:

Like I said, no one knows what's up. Maybe they are splitting, maybe they aren't. But what I find ignorant and downright STUPID is how people jump up and say that he's divorcing his wife to shack up with Stevie. I mean, my word, get some couth and some class.

No, but I am aware of PR gone terribly wrong. Like I've said elsewhere, this came out the day of the Atlanta show which was at the start of the second leg of the US tour. Things had been leaked out that didn't make Lindsey sound like the happy family man he was supposed to be and this gave more clause to fuel the ANTI "FAIRY" FIRE, I suppose. As far as him shacking up with Stevie, rock on if they do but I feel sad for those children no matter what's going on.

-Classless Marissa

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Well, that simply reveals how childish and immature people can truly be. But, take solace in the fact that neither you or I are immature like that. :laugh:
Just need to add to this that it was only one poster that used 'I told you so'. I've also found a lot of the other speculating posts interesting. As you know I love to gossip!

Pip

[Johnny Stew]

There's a difference, in my opinion, between the trashy celebrity gossip that I love (the kind that is so ridiculous that it's unbelievable) and "gossip" that is simply imagined by fans and passed around fan circles, based on nothing more than a spoken word or a facial expression at a concert. I love gossip, but I laugh at those who actively create it and then believe it. I guess I can differentiate between fantasy and reality. ;)

There's always a difference in our own minds, between what we do and what others do. We're all guilty of that. :) :xoxo:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

No, but I am aware of PR gone terribly wrong. Like I've said elsewhere, this came out the day of the Atlanta show which was at the start of the second leg of the US tour. Things had been leaked out that didn't make Lindsey sound like the happy family man he was supposed to be and this gave more clause to fuel the ANTI "FAIRY" FIRE, I suppose.
I guess I'm not up to speed with Liddy gossip! I knew nothing!

As far as him shacking up with Stevie, rock on if they do but I feel sad for those children no matter what's going on.
Absolutely

[dissention]

No, but I am aware of PR gone terribly wrong. Like I've said elsewhere, this came out the day of the Atlanta show which was at the start of the second leg of the US tour. Things had been leaked out that didn't make Lindsey sound like the happy family man he was supposed to be and this gave more clause to fuel the ANTI "FAIRY" FIRE, I suppose. As far as him shacking up with Stevie, rock on if they do but I feel sad for those children no matter what's going on.

"Things have leaked out" by fans. Hardly reliable sources. Try again.

-Classless Marissa

Because we all know I was referring to you. :rolleyes: Heaven forbid if someone dares cross a shipper.

[dissention]

There's always a difference in our own minds, between what we do and what others do. We're all guilty of that. :) :xoxo:

If that's what you believe, more power to ya. :xoxo:

[dissention]

so, what's up with Thrown Down being about Lindsey?

What about it? She said the "Now you're going home" line was about him. :shrug:

[amber]

What about it? She said the "Now you're going home" line was about him. :shrug:
no, i think she meant the whole thing.

[GardenStateGirlie]

"Things have leaked out" by fans. Hardly reliable sources. Try again.

Because we all know I was referring to you. :rolleyes: Heaven forbid if someone dares cross a shipper.

Yea, and the fan was one of YOUR friends that was in the Four Seasons in Atlanta who watched Lindsey makes small talk with a big breasted Cheetah Girl in the bar. He wasn't the only one who saw, it was seen by quite a few other people and posted on Mick's board too. Needless to say, he didn't go to any bars in his hotel after that. I could go on but why bother?

Well, when you talk about a whole group that I happen to be part of, yes, I suppose that indirectly you are talking about me. PM me if you'd like to talk more but i'm keeping this off of here for arguments sake.

[dissention]

no, i think she meant the whole thing.

He asked who the he was that she was singing about, the one that was going home. She told him that it was him.

[Merf]

What about it? She said the "Now you're going home" line was about him. :shrug:

The entire song is about him. Hello, Destiny Rules documentary? Yeah.

Speaking of that... He sure did talk an awful lot about that house in the documentary, it's a shame to see that it's already up for sale. No matter what "side" you are on (and the battle lines were drawn between us after the Atlanta show in May) you have to admit that seems a bit odd.

But like I said, I'm open to hearing what other people's interpretations are of this surprising turn of events. We all know in the long run we'll just have to agree to disagree. :laugh: What really happened, Dis, or anyone for that matter? I'd love to know. Much like Pip, I love to gossip. Bring it on.

- Meredith

[amber]

He asked who the he was that she was singing about, the one that was going home. She told him that it was him.
But the whole song is about the person who is going home. hello?

[dissention]

Yea, and the fan was one of YOUR friends that was in the Four Seasons in Atlanta who watched Lindsey makes small talk with a big breasted Cheetah Girl in the bar. He wasn't the only one who saw, it was seen by quite a few other people and posted on Mick's board too. Needless to say, he didn't go to any bars in his hotel after that. I could go on but why bother?

I still fail to see the point. Surely you aren't suggesting that Lindsey-Stevie romantics are objective. I'm glad to hear that his fans were staking out the bars 24/7 just so they could report whether or not they saw him talking to a big breasted woman dressed as an exotic animal.

Well, when you talk about a whole group that I happen to be part of, yes, I suppose that indirectly you are talking about me. PM me if you'd like to talk more but i'm keeping this off of here for arguments sake.

I'm all set, but thanks. This discussion comes up every once in awhile and no common sense ever follows it. If people are content to actively create fantasies and interpret behavior so that it lends credence to those fantasies, so be it, no amount of discussion will change it. Like I said, I'm all for gossip, but this kind of gossip perturbs me.

[dissention]

The entire song is about him. Hello, Destiny Rules documentary? Yeah.

Yeah, she said one line was about him. If you know for a fact that the entire song is about Lindsey Buckingham, I'm all ears.

Speaking of that... He sure did talk an awful lot about that house in the documentary, it's a shame to see that it's already up for sale. No matter what "side" you are on (and the battle lines were drawn between us after the Atlanta show in May) you have to admit that seems a bit odd.

I already said it seemed odd. ;)

But like I said, I'm open to hearing what other people's interpretations are of this surprising turn of events. We all know in the long run we'll just have to agree to disagree. :laugh: What really happened, Dis, or anyone for that matter? I'd love to know. Much like Pip, I love to gossip. Bring it on.

I already said I had no idea what was going on and that I would reserve judgement until I actually heard ONE fact instead if idle speculation from romantics.

Again, love the snarkiness that you criticized David about just hours ago (and then deleted ;) ).

[dissention]

But the whole song is about the person who is going home. hello?

And Stevie has always said that her songs are usually about more than just one person or event. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

I'm all for gossip, but this kind of gossip perturbs me.

Which goes along with one of my favorite sayings... "ya gotta draw the line somewhere." ;) :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

I still fail to see the point. Surely you aren't suggesting that Lindsey-Stevie romantics are objective. I'm glad to hear that his fans were staking out the bars 24/7 just so they could report whether or not they saw him talking to a big breasted woman dressed as an exotic animal.

I'm all set, but thanks. This discussion comes up every once in awhile and no common sense ever follows it. If people are content to actively create fantasies and interpret behavior so that it lends credence to those fantasies, so be it, no amount of discussion will change it. Like I said, I'm all for gossip, but this kind of gossip perturbs me.

It might surprise you to know that some are. Clearly Pip just proved that point earlier on in this thread and even I know the difference between truth and fiction despite whatever your belief may be.

Perhaps one day when I buy myself a clue and some common sense I can have a conversation that isn't shrouded in some chiffon coated fantasy. He can shack up with whomever his heart desires but you can't deny the facts and fact is? the Buckingham villa is up for sale and has been since 9/11...a day after the Atlantic City concert and a day before I saw them front and center in Camden on 9/12.

[amber]

Yeah, she said one line was about him. If you know for a fact that the entire song is about Lindsey Buckingham, I'm all ears.
.
The whole song is about one person. It's self evident. You think she was writing along, about how "maybe he fell for her again, she watched it happen, every day, day by day...night by night" and "maybe now he could be good for her, and they should be together"
when suddenly
she thinks...hmm, lets see, i was talking about this other guy, in a continuing narrative, but I'll put something about Lindsey going home right here... :rolleyes:
Lindsey asked her "who's this line about" so she answered it was about him, but also, if Lindsey had asked "who's this song about" Stevie still woulda said it's about him.

[amber]

And Stevie has always said that her songs are usually about more than just one person or event. ;)
kay. this song seems pretty darn specific to me.

[dissention]

It might surprise you to know that some are. Clearly Pip just proved that point earlier on in this thread and even I know the difference between truth and fiction despite whatever your belief may be.

It's not surprising in the least. If his fans can create pornographic fan fiction about him for the lucky schlubs who have access to the Internet and can create gossip about his supposedly rocky marriage, I wouldn't put a single thing past them. But it certainly doesn't shine a good light on them and shows what their priorities in life are.

Perhaps one day when I buy myself a clue and some common sense I can have a conversation that isn't shrouded in some chiffon coated fantasy. He can shack up with whomever his heart desires but you can't deny the facts and fact is? the Buckingham villa is up for sale and has been since 9/11...a day after the Atlantic City concert and a day before I saw them front and center in Camden on 9/12.

Perhaps, perhaps. But I suggest getting both sooner than later. ;) :laugh: The facts, Marissa, are tidbits of information that you seem to be warping to fit your view of their marriage. Again, I fail to see the significance of any of these dates, but if you do, more power to you. We simply disagree and forever shall.

[dissention]

kay. this song seems pretty darn specific to me.

Most of her songs that contain "he" or "she" do, but that doesn't mean anything. :shrug:

[dissention]

Lindsey asked her "who's this line about" so she answered it was about him, but also, if Lindsey had asked "who's this song about" Stevie still woulda said it's about him.

Great. Got any facts to back that statement up?

[sodascouts]

Got any facts to back that statement up?

From the Destiny Rules doc, regarding the ENTIRE song of "Thrown Down":

"Well, actually, this song was written on the last Fleetwood Mac tour, on the Dance tour. And it was really, in its own kind of strange way, written about my relationship with Lindsey and how the barricades of time have always gotten in our way." - Stevie Nicks

[amber]

Great. Got any facts to back that statement up?
Other than that the song is a continuing narrative, which Stevie said a line in was about Linds? Other than, i think if the song was not about Linds, stevie would have said it was about "oh a lot of people"? No, guess not. Man, you're really ignoring evidence here, i tell you what. :rolleyes:
however - I think their "thing" if there was one, was way past. I think if Lindsey's marriage is breaking up, it wouldn't be about Stevie.
I also don't necessarily think their marriage is breaking up. necessarily. i do think it's possible though.

[amber]

From the Destiny Rules doc, regarding the ENTIRE song of "Thrown Down":

"Well, actually, this song was written on the last Fleetwood Mac tour, on the Dance tour. And it was really, in its own kind of strange way, written about my relationship with Lindsey and how the barricades of time have always gotten in our way." - Stevie Nicks
Thank you. so much. i forgot that part.

[dissention]

From the Destiny Rules doc, regarding the ENTIRE song of "Thrown Down":

"Well, actually, this song was written on the last Fleetwood Mac tour, on the Dance tour. And it was really, in its own kind of strange way, written about my relationship with Lindsey and how the barricades of time have always gotten in our way." - Stevie Nicks

Thanks, I didn't remember that. :wavey:

Nice delete, too, Nancy. Guess snarkiness is catchy. ;)

[sodascouts]

Thanks, I didn't remember that. :wavey:

Nice delete, too, Nancy. Guess snarkiness is catchy. ;)

I realized it was unnecessary, and thought better of it. Isn't that OK?

[dissention]

lol! I realized it was unnecessary, and thought better of it. Is that OK?

I have no problem with it being deleted because I already saw it. Better luck next time. :wavey:

[sodascouts]

I have no problem with it being deleted because I already saw it.

Well, I apologize then, and take it back.

[dissention]

I realized it was unnecessary, and thought better of it. Isn't that OK?

Oy, you just edited it as I was about to reply. :laugh:

[amber]

Thanks, I didn't remember that. :wavey:

Nice delete, too, Nancy. Guess snarkiness is catchy. ;)
sadly, yes. we all caught it from you. :)

[sodascouts]

Oy, you just edited it as I was about to reply. :laugh:

lol! I just did it again, too. I'm terrible at fast thinking and as a result often go back to change wording seconds after I re-read. If I were smarter I would re-read or reconsider BEFORE posting. Duh. Dang it, I'm still doing it to this post! STOP NANCY YOU COMPULSIVE EDITOR!

[dissention]

sadly, yes. we all caught it from you. :)

Not from me. I carry the asshole virus. ;)

[amber]

Not from me. I carry the asshole virus. ;)
:laugh:
just an alternate strain.

[Serrart]

Their biggest faux pas is having table lamps on the kitchen counters. The thought of that alone makes me physically ill. I quite like the headboard, but I don't like anything else in the bedroom. IMO, the whole house looks too "new rich," as in someone from a working class background hit the lottery, then bought and dressed up a house according to what they thought was in style without any of it having the slightest bit of warmth or history. Very dry and bland. I question the sanity of anyone who says that house is their "dream home." :laugh:

Don't even get me started on the whole Spanish theme, it's such old hat and if the Buckinghams were going to go for that look, they should infused it with something fresh.

It's incredible, Dissention.. I agree on every word :thumbsup:

Romy

[glitter_fades]

The one thing I notice about this thread is that nobody is telling anyone to go back where they belong on some other board. :nod:

It's very refreshing no matter what people think the meaning is behind the house sale. I think it's purely, $$$, but who knows for sure?

More importantly, I'll take the headboard if nobody else wants it. I like it! :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

It's very refreshing no matter what people think the meaning is behind the house sale. I think it's purely, $$$, but who knows for sure?



Any way you slice it, selling the house now is financially a bad move. I am not sure that is what you meant though.

[DeadliestPoison]

I already said I had no idea what was going on and that I would reserve judgement until I actually heard ONE fact instead if idle speculation from romantics.
Aren't you also speculating, though?

We don't know for a fact that there's nothing going on. Just as we don't know that something IS going on. Because we know nothing about the subject we're currently talking/bickering over or the people involved aside from what we've gathered from magazines, etc, etc, everything we say is pure speculation, correct?

[dissention]

Aren't you also speculating, though?

We don't know for a fact that there's nothing going on. Just as we don't know that something IS going on. Because we know nothing about the subject we're currently talking/bickering over or the people involved aside from what we've gathered from magazines, etc, etc, everything we say is pure speculation, correct?

I'm speculating because I said we know nothing about this? I said numerous times in this thread that I will reserve my judgements and thoughts until I know what's going on (not that I care). I won't waste my time creating gossip and talking about imaginary "battle lines" as if this is kindergarten and I'm spreading around the untrue rumour that Peggy Sue Smith has skid marks on the ass of her knee-highs. I know nothing, just as the shippers know nothing. So why create the drama?

[DeadliestPoison]

I'm speculating because I said we know nothing about this? I said numerous times in this thread that I will reserve my judgements and thoughts until I know what's going on (not that I care). I won't waste my time creating gossip and talking about imaginary "battle lines" as if this is kindergarten and I'm spreading around the untrue rumour that Peggy Sue Smith has skid marks on the ass of her knee-highs. I know nothing, just as the shippers know nothing. So why create the drama?
I'm not saying you said no one knew anything (although later in your post, you do say you don't know anything regarding the issue at hand). I just think that saying everything's peachy on the Messner/Buck front could be speculation, depending on the amount of information one knows about their relationship, just as saying there's trouble in Lindsey's Shangri-La is speculation (as many are saying).

Like, I could say "Oh, the sky's green." But that doesn't make it so. Just like saying MessBuck are getting divorced - just because someone says/specs it doesn't make it so. Saying they're happily married doesn't necessarily make it so, either.

I'm trying not to take sides with this at this point. I'm really just trying to get my facts straight about the whole thing, since there are so many things flying around right now.

[dissention]

I'm not saying you said no one knew anything (although later in your post, you do say you don't know anything regarding the issue at hand). I just think that saying everything's peachy on the Messner/Buck front could be speculation, depending on the amount of information one knows about their relationship, just as saying there's trouble in Lindsey's Shangri-La is speculation (as many are saying).

Like, I could say "Oh, the sky's green." But that doesn't make it so. Just like saying MessBuck are getting divorced - just because someone says/specs it doesn't make it so. Saying they're happily married doesn't necessarily make it so, either.

I'm trying not to take sides with this at this point. I'm really just trying to get my facts straight about the whole thing, since there are so many things flying around right now.

I never said everything was peachy keen in the Buckingham household. For all I know, they slap each other around nightly and shag like minks in heat afterwards. For all I know, Lindsey sleeps in the guesthouse. For all I know, Kristin is holed up in the Four Seasons. For all I know, everything is peachy keen. The POINT is: I do not know anything. Therefore, I do not speculate or take little things like a facial expression and twsit them to fit my view of things. I'd rather dream about my own sex life and who I'm sleeping with than who Lindsey Buckingham is shagging. But that's just me. ;)

[Johnny Stew]

I'd rather dream about my own sex life and who I'm sleeping with than who Lindsey Buckingham is shagging. But that's just me. ;)

Ah, but who's Tom Cruise sleeping with? That's the question! ;) :laugh:

[dissention]

Ah, but who's Tom Cruise sleeping with? That's the question! ;) :laugh:

I've no idea and the thought sickens me. Like I said, the teeth repel me. :xoxo:

I know who I'm sleeping with (hopefully) and that's all that counts. ;)

[amber]

I've no idea and the thought sickens me. Like I said, the teeth repel me. :xoxo:

I know who I'm sleeping with (hopefully) and that's all that counts. ;)
do you mean, you hope you know their name? :laugh: It's so weird that nice big white teeth could make someone sick... :D

[dissention]

do you mean, you hope you know their name? :laugh: It's so weird that nice big white teeth could make someone sick... :D

I hope I know their name. :laugh: I probably missed it...but, then again, I probably didn't ask. :lol:

[amber]

I hope I know their name. :laugh: I probably missed it...but, then again, I probably didn't ask. :lol:
Noway! someone who doesn't drink couldn't possibly accomplish that level of sleaziness on a regular basis! :confused:

[dissention]

Noway! someone who doesn't drink couldn't possibly accomplish that level of sleaziness on a regular basis! :confused:

You never know...I have before. :laugh:

[glitter_fades]

Any way you slice it, selling the house now is financially a bad move. I am not sure that is what you meant though.

I agree with you. It's a bad financial move. I don't know if the Buckinghams realize it. I think the T&C article was done with the intent to show off the house on purpose. I think they intended to sell it from at least that long ago if not from the begining of the project. I agree that it's a financial mistake unless the costs to rebuild stripped more from the piggy bank than they thought it would. Hell if I know. :shrug:


-

[Merf]

Yeah, she said one line was about him. If you know for a fact that the entire song is about Lindsey Buckingham, I'm all ears.


In the SYW Doc- The part where she's sitting on the couch talking about TD. She admits that it's about Lindsey. She says basically: Thrown Down is a song that was written on the last tour, the Dance tour, and in it's own weird way about my relationship with Lindsey.... you get to a point in your life when you can write philosophically on these things.... and it's great that Lindsey and I can write things that are about each other and were about each other and still mean something to us now.

[That is not a direct quote but the gist of what she said. ]

:rolleyes: Yeah I deleted my snarkiness jab at David on the SN board because I reviewed what he said and realized it wasn't really that terrible [what he said to me.] Are we not allowed to delete posts here on the grand old Ledge? Or do we have to run everything by you, Dissention, to prevent you from bringing it up several times in a completely different forum (after the fact)? Funny, I thought John Ashcroft resigned.

[dissention]

:rolleyes: Yeah I deleted my snarkiness jab at David on the SN board because I reviewed what he said and realized it wasn't really that terrible [what he said to me.] Are we not allowed to delete posts here on the grand old Ledge? Or do we have to run everything by you, Dissention, to prevent you from bringing it up several times in a completely different forum (after the fact)? Funny, I thought John Ashcroft resigned.

Ooh, sarcasm, too. Love it! :xoxo:

I simply found it funny that you extolled someone else for the same behavior you displayed. ;) At least have the integrity to be up front about it.

[face of glass]

I'm just a bit worried about his mental health, 's all. :o

[Merf]

Ooh, sarcasm, too. Love it! :xoxo:

I simply found it funny that you extolled someone else for the same behavior you displayed. ;) At least have the integrity to be up front about it.

Oh, I have pantloads of integrity. Feel free to borrow some of mine if you'd like. :cool:

In case you didn't notice, I was being sarcastic AND snarky with that particular remark. :wavey:

[dissention]

Oh, I have pantloads of integrity. Feel free to borrow some of mine if you'd like. :cool:

Not if it includes creating ugly "specualtion" to pander to the romantics.

In case you didn't notice, I was being sarcastic AND snarky with that particular remark. :wavey:

For some reason, I don't buy that, but if you say so. :xoxo: :wavey:

[Merf]

Not if it includes creating ugly "specualtion" to pander to the romantics.



Dis, just so you know, I'm a TERRIBLE liar. I honestly couldn't lie to save my life. I have created nothing here. Take a look at this thread. I've only popped in to try to derail the shipper-hate train. (Certainly hard to do around here on the infamous Liddy Ledge)

:sorry: I guess we all don't understand the truth when it's glaring right in front of our eyes. Maybe someday you will be more fortunate like us "delusional" romantics. Just because you (you civilized non-shipper, you) don't like what you're hearing doesn't mean it's just ugly speculation.

[dissention]

Dis, just so you know, I'm a TERRIBLE liar. I honestly couldn't lie to save my life. I have created nothing here. Take a look at this thread. I've only popped in to try to derail the shipper-hate train. (Certainly hard to do around here on the infamous Liddy Ledge)

There was no "shipper-hate train." I plainly stated that I couldn't wait to hear what the romantics would do with this house hoopla, especially since I hadn't seen or read any of the crazy stories in a long while. If you took that as "shipper-hate," that's your prerogative. I call it as I see it, always have. If I think something's ridiculous, I say so. And the stuff that a lot of you guys spread around with such glee is off-putting. Honestly, how in the world would any of you know whether or not Lindsey is still in love with Stevie and vice-versa? How would any of you know whether he married his wife just because she got pregnant? How would any of you know whether his wife is a "bitch" or not? It grows more absurd each time. I don't begrudge anyone who believes such things, but I think it's rather classless for people (not you) to sit around the dude's hotel bar to see which busty blonde he's lusting after. I think it's rather desperate to read into the stupidest things in an interview, analyze them, get a few dates together where they showed "passion" onstage, and then proclaim that they're passionately in love. :sorry:

I gossip, as Johnny Stew pointed out, about celebrities and I like to do so. But I don't actively create it or believe it. It's fun to throw around, but it doesn't mean anything because I know nothing about them and their personal lives and I don't take anything as fact.

:sorry: I guess we all don't understand the truth when it's glaring right in front of our eyes. Maybe someday you will be more fortunate like us "delusional" romantics. Just because you (you civilized non-shipper, you) don't like what you're hearing doesn't mean it's just ugly speculation.

Your idea of truth is unsubstantiated gossip, so if that's what you mean when you say I don't understand the "truth," you're absolutely right and quite astute. To see a facial expression at a concert, interpret it, and then proclaim it as "THE truth" is bogus and you know it. And even when someone says "something went on at this concert," another person pipes up and says that isn't what happened at all. People see what they want to see, doesn't mean any of it is true.

PS: LOVE the new avatar. :lol: :laugh: That's one of my new favorite movies.

[Merf]

I think it's rather desperate to read into the stupidest things in an interview, analyze them, get a few dates together where they showed "passion" onstage, and then proclaim that they're passionately in love. :sorry:


My "truth" is not the truth you're referring to here. It's not made up of kisses and hugs and looks and talks or any onstage behavior-- or any interviews for that matter. And you know that's not what I'm talking about as much as I do.
And now, my friends, I'm off like a prom dress! I hope you guys have fun racking your brains trying to figure out why the two-year-old La Casa Buckingham has gone on the market. :sorry:



PS: LOVE the new avatar. :lol: :laugh: That's one of my new favorite movies.

Word. Saved is so awesome! :lol: :wavey:

[dissention]

My "truth" is not the truth you're referring to here. It's not made up of kisses and hugs and looks and talks or any onstage behavior-- or any interviews for that matter. And you know that's not what I'm talking about as much as I do.

That's why I posted, clear as day, that I wasn't necessarily referring to you. ;)

And now, my friends, I'm off like a prom dress! I hope you guys have fun racking your brains trying to figure out why the two-year-old La Casa del Buckingham has gone on the market. :sorry:

I will! :cool: :wavey:

[dissention]

Word. Saved is so awesome! :lol: :wavey:

"She's saying she's got a hot p***y!" :lol: :laugh: :lol:

And my favorite:

"Is that Mary at Planned Parenthood? What's she doing there?"
"Why else would a Christian be at a Planned Parenthood clinic?"
"She's planting a PIPE BOMB?!"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[skcin]

however - I think their "thing" if there was one, was way past.
.

Thrown Down was written around the time of The Dance tour, supporting your thoughts that it's all in the past. I happen to agree. :nod:

Paula

PS - sorry to interupt the debate between the shippers & non-shippers :wavey:

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With 3 kids, a 4-bedroom house seems kinda small - and compared to other celeb houses, this entire property seems rather small.

Courtney Cox-Arquette and Cher have both been known to buy houses, redecorate them, and sell them for mega-bucks. Maybe the Buckingham clan has outgrown this place and Kristen needs a new project? Sheesh, for $21 mil, I would hope the furniture is included, sans LB's recording equipment, of course. I'm sure Picasso did a painting here or there that he considered his "greatest accomplishment." But he still sold it. :wavey:

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Lindsey and Tom Cruise are running off to Massachusetts together. ;) :p

Sorry...I live in a bit of a bubble. What's up with the LB/Tom Cruise thing?

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Sorry...I live in a bit of a bubble. What's up with the LB/Tom Cruise thing?

Just a dream, just a dream...

:lol:

Paula

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Sorry...I live in a bit of a bubble. What's up with the LB/Tom Cruise thing?
oh, we were heatedly discussing tom cruise, and his gayness, in another thread. I believe it was "who do you find attractive". :)

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I just saw that Powerball is up to 95 million. Maybe some lucky Ledgie will be in a new house in Bel Air sometime soon. As for me I will pass on it. :rolleyes:

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I just saw that Powerball is up to 95 million. Maybe some lucky Ledgie will be in a new house in Bel Air sometime soon. As for me I will pass on it. :rolleyes:

Did you ever see the movie Twenty Bucks? I HEARTILY recommend it. :lol: :laugh:

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Did you ever see the movie Twenty Bucks? I HEARTILY recommend it. :lol: :laugh:
who's in that?

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who's in that?

Elisabeth Shue, Brendan Fraser, Gladys Night, Steve Buscemi, Christopher Lloyd, and Linda Hunt (who is HYSTERICAL). The script was written over a period of over 60 years.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0108410/

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Elisabeth Shue, Brendan Fraser, Gladys Night, Steve Buscemi, Christopher Lloyd, and Linda Hunt (who is HYSTERICAL). The script was written over a period of over 60 years.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0108410/
gross cast (well, mainly miss Shue. I like linda hunt, and the rest) but thanks for the recommend! I'll add that to the list. By the way, a weird movie moment happened to me the other day. As long as i can remember, everyone's been saying "you gotta see spaceballs" it was on tv late the other night, so i watched. I wasn't that impressed. it was only kinda funny. Maybe i should've watched when i was younger :shrug:

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Elisabeth Shue, Brendan Fraser, Gladys Night, Steve Buscemi, Christopher Lloyd, and Linda Hunt (who is HYSTERICAL). The script was written over a period of over 60 years.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0108410/

Linda Hunt is the BOMB!!!!!!!

She is our Thlema Ritter if you will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Also, she was FAB is SHe Devil and stole every scene IMO!!!! :woohoo:

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gross cast (well, mainly miss Shue. I like linda hunt, and the rest) but thanks for the recommend! I'll add that to the list. By the way, a weird movie moment happened to me the other day. As long as i can remember, everyone's been saying "you gotta see spaceballs" it was on tv late the other night, so i watched. I wasn't that impressed. it was only kinda funny. Maybe i should've watched when i was younger :shrug:

I? Love Spaceballs. :nod: Yogurt is hysterical. That movie never fails to make me laugh my ass off and they're making a sequel!

My favorite Brooks film is "To Be Or Not To Be" with him and Anne Bancroft. It wasn't a hit, but I think it's his best. http://imdb.com/title/tt0086450/

I think I've seen every movie in existence...and own most of them, too. :laugh:

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Linda Hunt is the BOMB!!!!!!!

She is our Thlema Ritter if you will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Also, she was FAB is SHe Devil and stole every scene IMO!!!! :woohoo:

:nod: She was amazing in The Year of Living Dangerously.

The scene in She Devil where she eats the pastries? Had me on the floor. Sylvia Miles was hilarious in it, too, as Meryl's mom.

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Did you ever see the movie Twenty Bucks? I HEARTILY recommend it. :lol: :laugh:



Rhode Island's own Spalding Gray is in it. He has now passed on, however.

I will have to check this movie out.

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I? Love Spaceballs. :nod: Yogurt is hysterical. That movie never fails to make me laugh my ass off and they're making a sequel!

My favorite Brooks film is "To Be Or Not To Be" with him and Anne Bancroft. It wasn't a hit, but I think it's his best. http://imdb.com/title/tt0086450/

I think I've seen every movie in existence...and own most of them, too. :laugh:
hmmm, wonder why i didn't like it? Admittedly, i didn't watch the whole thing. But i've usually been a fan of clever, witty comedies, rather than silly, farcical ones...hmmm, Anne Bancroft you say? will have to check it out... :wavey: I love that they're married! it's weird, too, cause MB's birthday is like, a couple days before mine. oops, accidental astrology reference.. :D

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Rhode Island's own Spalding Gray is in it. He has now passed on, however.

I will have to check this movie out.

You'll love it. :nod: It's very funny but very feel good-ish. The story with Elisabeth Shue is my personal favorite.

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:nod: She was amazing in The Year of Living Dangerously.

The scene in She Devil where she eats the pastries? Had me on the floor. Sylvia Miles was hilarious in it, too, as Meryl's mom.

Yep !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even Rosanne (bless her heart :laugh: ) was good in that. Meryl was as well, but it was SO out of character for her!!!!!!!!

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hmmm, wonder why i didn't like it? Admittedly, i didn't watch the whole thing. But i've usually been a fan of clever, witty comedies, rather than silly, farcical ones...hmmm, Anne Bancroft you say? will have to check it out... :wavey: I love that they're married! it's weird, too, cause MB's birthday is like, a couple days before mine. oops, accidental astrology reference.. :D

Well, she had to do something to redeem herself after starring in that flick "Lipstick" with Margaux Hemingway. :eek:

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Yep !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even Rosanne (bless her heart :laugh: ) was good in that. Meryl was as well, but it was SO out of character for her!!!!!!!!

Love...In the Rinse Cycle. :xoxo:

I love Meryl's scene where she does the laundry. :laugh: I loved Death Becomes Her, too!

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I loved Death Becomes Her, too!


One of my favs. :D

"I can see MY ASS!"

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One of my favs. :D

"I can see MY ASS!"

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I have a workprint copy of it and it's VERY different from the one they released. It has an entire sub-plot with Bruce Willis and Tracey Ullman and a wildly different ending!

[WelshWitchPMD]

Well, isn't this weird? :lol: I just found a sort of Lindsey connection to Spaulding Gray.

We know that Lindsey is a fan of Laurie's and I found this under Spaulding's filmography.

Archive Footage


Laurie Anderson: Collected Videos (1990) (V) (voice) (uncredited) .... Himself - Interviewer

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Love...In the Rinse Cycle. :xoxo:

I love Meryl's scene where she does the laundry. :laugh: I loved Death Becomes Her, too!
Death Becomes Her is one of my faves. And it has the trinity of water! (Meryl - Cancer, Goldie-Scorpio, Bruce - Pisces) I never tire of that movie. plus, random Isabella Rossellini! :thumbsup:
I like Devil, too, though i think Meryl isn't very good in those type of roles... I can't believe you have a weird version of death becomes her! lucky!

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Death Becomes Her is one of my faves. And it has the trinity of water! (Meryl - Cancer, Goldie-Scorpio, Bruce - Pisces) I never tire of that movie. plus, random Isabella Rossellini! :thumbsup:
I like Devil, too, though i think Meryl isn't very good in those type of roles... I can't believe you have a weird version of death becomes her! lucky!

Isabella Rossellini is STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNING. I don't think a more perfect woman could be created.

The version I have (it's not the best quality, but it's alright) has Tracey Ullman and Willis having an affair. She convinces him to steal the potion and they high-tail it to Europe, leaving Meryl and Goldie to fend for themselves. About 70 years later, they all run into each other by accident and Tracey and Willis look phenomenal, while Goldie and Meryl look like utter ****. :laugh:

I haven't watched it in quite awhile, but that's how I remember it. I'm not sure if Tracey and Willis took the potion or not.

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Isabella Rossellini is STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNING. I don't think a more perfect woman could be created.

The version I have (it's not the best quality, but it's alright) has Tracey Ullman and Willis having an affair. She convinces him to steal the potion and they high-tail it to Europe, leaving Meryl and Goldie to fend for themselves. About 70 years later, they all run into each other by accident and Tracey and Willis look phenomenal, while Goldie and Meryl look like utter ****. :laugh:
Whoa, that's bizarre! yeah, isabella is nice...she sure looks stunning in that movie. course, i was distracted by the sparkling vial, as usual :D I hardly remember tracy ullman in the movie!

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Whoa, that's bizarre! yeah, isabella is nice...she sure looks stunning in that movie. course, i was distracted by the sparkling vial, as usual :D I hardly remember tracy ullman in the movie!

That's because they cut Ullman out completely. :laugh:

I guess that test audiences hated the ending, so they re-shot it and had Meryl and Goldie fall down the church steps and shatter into pieces. Since that ending didn't gel with the Ullman subplot, they cut her out.

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That's because they cut Ullman out completely. :laugh:

I guess that test audiences hated the ending, so they re-shot it and had Meryl and Goldie fall down the church steps and shatter into pieces. Since that ending didn't gel with the Ullman subplot, they cut her out.
wow, she must have been bummed. she's very talented, too. :( but i liked the final product, so, i guess it's ok... :D

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wow, she must have been bummed. she's very talented, too. :( but i liked the final product, so, i guess it's ok... :D

Kubrick did the same thing to Jennifer Jason Leigh and Harvey Keitel in Eyes Wide Shut. :nod:

I loooooove Tracey Ullman, one of the best comic actresses in history. Rent "A Dirty Shame" when it comes out on DVD. :laugh:

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Kubrick did the same thing to Jennifer Jason Leigh and Harvey Keitel in Eyes Wide Shut. :nod:

I loooooove Tracey Ullman, one of the best comic actresses in history. Rent "A Dirty Shame" when it comes out on DVD. :laugh:

TU was so MF fab in that. When of WHEN is the DVD :laugh:

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Kubrick did the same thing to Jennifer Jason Leigh and Harvey Keitel in Eyes Wide Shut. :nod:

I loooooove Tracey Ullman, one of the best comic actresses in history. Rent "A Dirty Shame" when it comes out on DVD. :laugh:
Whoa! I can't believe they were in eyes wide shut! It seems like that movie could've benefited from their innate weirdness. :nod:
Who else is in a Dirty Shame? Nevermind, i'll look it up. :D I usually only like movies with beautiful people, but... :laugh: Yes, Tracy is veeery talented.

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TU was so MF fab in that. When of WHEN is the DVD :laugh:

I've no clue, but I can't wait for the commentary. :laugh:

The commentaries for Desperate Living and Cecil B Demented were uproarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Whoa! I can't believe they were in eyes wide shut! It seems like that movie could've benefited from their innate weirdness. :nod:
Who else is in a Dirty Shame? Nevermind, i'll look it up. :D I usually only like movies with beautiful people, but... :laugh: Yes, Tracy is veeery talented.

Beautiful people?! I told you to rent Wendigo! Patricia Clarkson and Jake Weber!

This is A Dirty Shame:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0365125/

Once you see Ursula Udders, you'll spew your beverage. It is such a filthy flick, one of Waters' best.

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Beautiful people?! I told you to rent Wendigo! Patricia Clarkson and Jake Weber!

This is A Dirty Shame:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0365125/

Once you see Ursula Udders, you'll spew your beverage. It is such a filthy flick, one of Waters' best.
Selma Blair? Chris Isaak?(Cancers, the both of em. heard Selma had a coke problem, any info on that? :laugh: ) I'm there! I will rent Wendigo, when funds permit (possibly this weekend) you know i don't think they're pretty, though! but i'll rent it. i'm in need of a good sex scene. Ever notice that the first four weeks "after" are the hardest?
ooo, America's Next Top Model is on! let the shallowness commence!

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Selma Blair? Chris Isaak?(Cancers, the both of em. heard Selma had a coke problem, any info on that? :laugh: ) I'm there! I will rent Wendigo, when funds permit (possibly this weekend) you know i don't think they're pretty, though! but i'll rent it. i'm in need of a good sex scene. Ever notice that the first four weeks "after" are the hardest?
ooo, America's Next Top Model is on! let the shallowness commence!

No info, unfortunately. Though I met Chris and loved him. :woohoo:

Besides for the scene in Wendigo, the scene between Julie Christie and Donald Sutherland in Don't Look Now is pretty sexy. It goes for what seems like an hour, though, and he's pretty beastly. But she's GORGEOUS and the movie's great.

I think the first day after is the hardest!

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No info, unfortunately. Though I met Chris and loved him. :woohoo:

Besides for the scene in Wendigo, the scene between Julie Christie and Donald Sutherland in Don't Look Now is pretty sexy. It goes for what seems like an hour, though, and he's pretty beastly. But she's GORGEOUS and the movie's great.

I think the first day after is the hardest!
I've wanted to see that movie, anyway, as i think Donald Sutherland is awesome. (Cancer) He's so much more kinetic then his son, unfortunately. I'm glad Chris was awesome. heard he has a thing for Asian chicks :laugh: :lol: .
Great, now i have 3 movies i'm supposed to watch :rolleyes: baby steps. :p But i also wanna see "Saved" really bad... :wavey:

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I've wanted to see that movie, anyway, as i think Donald Sutherland is awesome. (Cancer) He's so much more kinetic then his son, unfortunately. I'm glad Chris was awesome. heard he has a thing for Asian chicks :laugh: :lol: .
Great, now i have 3 movies i'm supposed to watch :rolleyes: baby steps. :p But i also wanna see "Saved" really bad... :wavey:

The ending to Don't Look Now is horrifying and shocking. I was creeped out for DAYS. Everything falls into place so perfectly, it's eerie. Wish they'd come out with a better DVD, though, the one I have royally sucks. Nicolas Roeg is one of my favorite directors, he was a genius.

Saved! is awesome!!!!!! If you don't die laughing, you aren't human!

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The ending to Don't Look Now is horrifying and shocking. I was creeped out for DAYS. Everything falls into place so perfectly, it's eerie. Wish they'd come out with a better DVD, though, the one I have royally sucks. Nicolas Roeg is one of my favorite directors, he was a genius.

Saved! is awesome!!!!!! If you don't die laughing, you aren't human!
oh, no! creepy? Nicholas Roeg, i've heard of, did he do Videodrome? wait. :confused: well, if it falls into place, it can't be too creepy...I think i have a crush on Donald Sutherland... :p Yeah, i might have to rent saved this weekend.

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oh, no! creepy? Nicholas Roeg, i've heard of, did he do Videodrome? wait. :confused: well, if it falls into place, it can't be too creepy...I think i have a crush on Donald Sutherland... :p Yeah, i might have to rent saved this weekend.

No, that was David Cronenberg. He's a weird one, too. His flick The Brood is scary as hell and disgusting. He's made some really freaky flicks.

Roeg did The Man Who Fell To Earth with Bowie and The Witches with Anjelica Huston.

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No, that was David Cronenberg. He's a weird one, too. His flick The Brood is scary as hell and disgusting. He's made some really freaky flicks.

Roeg did The Man Who Fell To Earth with Bowie and The Witches with Anjelica Huston.
oooohhh, right. Didn't he do some other weird ****? I seem to recall his name with some other movie i like...anyways.
The fly is freaky, too. person turns into bug. is there anything grosser? :laugh: that was Cronenberg, right? You have the reissue of Videodrome, yeah?

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oh, did he do that Vampire movie with Annabella Sciora and Lily Taylor?

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oooohhh, right. Didn't he do some other weird ****? I seem to recall his name with some other movie i like...anyways.
The fly is freaky, too. person turns into bug. is there anything grosser? :laugh: that was Cronenberg, right? You have the reissue of Videodrome, yeah?

Roeg and Cronenberg are the weirdest of the weird, IMO. :nod: The Fly was Cronenberg, as were Naked Lunch, Scanners, Dead Ringers, Crash, and Spider.

I got the Criterion of Videodrome when it came out and it rocks. TONS of extras and it's fun to watch all the old clips and interviews with Debbie. The commentary from her and Woods is great, too.

I just got the limited edition of Dario Argento's "Suspiria" in the mail and I have it on right now. That is one scary flick, did you ever see it? It's freaking me out. :laugh:

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oh, did he do that Vampire movie with Annabella Sciora and Lily Taylor?

No, that was Abel Ferrara. :)

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Roeg and Cronenberg are the weirdest of the weird, IMO. :nod: The Fly was Cronenberg, as were Naked Lunch, Scanners, Dead Ringers, Crash, and Spider.

I got the Criterion of Videodrome when it came out and it rocks. TONS of extras and it's fun to watch all the old clips and interviews with Debbie. The commentary from her and Woods is great, too.

I just got the limited edition of Dario Argento's "Suspiria" in the mail and I have it on right now. That is one scary flick, did you ever see it? It's freaking me out. :laugh:
Omigosh, i watched it during holloween and got a huge late fee, cause i was scared to watch it (suspiria) but it turned out to be not that scary, so i was pissed. I loved it though, but mainly for the set design. Did you see those even lined, perfectly colored hallways? I was in heaven. it was the same thing with Ice Storm, another movie i loved, where the colors and shapes lined up perfectly...but i did love that movie...(suspiria)
aw, man, i saw naked lunch in the theatre... :shocked: when i was 18.
I really want to see those interviews from videodrome. But what else did Roeg do? i feel like there's some movie i like, that he did, that i can't grasp...

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No, that was Abel Ferrara. :)
Damn! well, clearly i don't pay as much attention to directors as actresses :rolleyes: :) Gosh, i'm sorry to go on and on, i could talk about movies forevah! :) I love actressing. :cool:

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Omigosh, i watched it during holloween and got a huge late fee, cause i was scared to watch it (suspiria) but it turned out to be not that scary, so i was pissed. I loved it though, but mainly for the set design. Did you see those even lined, perfectly colored hallways? I was in heaven. it was the same thing with Ice Storm, another movie i loved, where the colors and shapes lined up perfectly...but i did love that movie...(suspiria)
aw, man, i saw naked lunch in the theatre... :shocked: when i was 18.
I really want to see those interviews from videodrome. But what else did Roeg do? i feel like there's some movie i like, that he did, that i can't grasp...

Oy, Suspiria is chilling. That Goblin soundtrack is nightmare-inducing. I love how the opening credits have a narrator, but then you never hear from him again. :laugh: The part that really horrifies me is when Susie's roommate is being stalked through the school and she ends up jumping into the room full of razor wire. My skin crawled. And the end, where she's exploring the secret passage? I almost fainted. :shocked:

Argento made some really freaky flicks back in the day. You should see Phenomena with Jennifer Connelly. That's so weird that I can't even describe it. He made one called Opera that was just ridiculous, but so inventive that you have to admire it. :laugh:

I had read The Ice storm, so I was kinda disappointed with the movie. But it was pretty good. Love Sigourney and Joan.

Here's a list of Roeg's movies:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0001676/

He hasn't made a decent flick since The Witches, though.

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Damn! well, clearly i don't pay as much attention to directors as actresses :rolleyes: :) Gosh, i'm sorry to go on and on, i could talk about movies forevah! :) I love actressing. :cool:

I could, too. :laugh:

You'd be in heaven at my place, I have a spare room with the walls lined with shelves full of movies. :laugh: I must have thousands.

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Did you ever see The Wicker Man? I was going to pick it up last week but didn't. That's one of the more disturbing movies.

Another one you might like is Robert Altman's 3 Women with Sissy Spacek and Shelley Duvall. It's surreal. :nod: One of my all-time favorites since I was little. It was never released on video or DVD until May, 25 years after it was released. :laugh: I was relying on a crappy copy I taped from PBS.

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Oy, Suspiria is chilling. That Goblin soundtrack is nightmare-inducing. I love how the opening credits have a narrator, but then you never hear from him again. :laugh: The part that really horrifies me is when Susie's roommate is being stalked through the school and she ends up jumping into the room full of razor wire. My skin crawled. And the end, where she's exploring the secret passage? I almost fainted. :shocked:

Argento made some really freaky flicks back in the day. You should see Phenomena with Jennifer Connelly. That's so weird that I can't even describe it. He made one called Opera that was just ridiculous, but so inventive that you have to admire it. :laugh:

I had read The Ice storm, so I was kinda disappointed with the movie. But it was pretty good. Love Sigourney and Joan.

Here's a list of Roeg's movies:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0001676/

He hasn't made a decent flick since The Witches, though.
Omigosh, i guess i was mistaken about roeg. suspiria wasn't that scary to me. but, yeah, it was weird about the roomate. I guess there just wasn't as much gratuitous gore as i was fearing. I thought the soundtrack was obvious, but good. :shrug:
I'm so glad i didn't read ice storm before seeing it. The movie really touched me, in a special way. Joan Allen, quiet desperation, woot. but i'm suprised you didn't notice the design touches in either of them. Like, there is this scene, where joan allen is standing in the kitchen, and her outfit and the lines of the set all perfectly match. the whole movie is like that. But i'm a real fan of symetry and color match to make symbolism in movies... :rolleyes: :D
But i love Kevin Kline, too, and the child actors in that movie were perfect. And you really can't say enough when you find child actors that don't irritate the **** out of you. Hmmm, i should read the book now that i've seen the movie, yeah? :wavey:

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Omigosh, i guess i was mistaken about roeg. suspiria wasn't that scary to me. but, yeah, it was weird about the roomate. I guess there just wasn't as much gratuitous gore as i was fearing. I thought the soundtrack was obvious, but good. :shrug:
I'm so glad i didn't read ice storm before seeing it. The movie really touched me, in a special way. Joan Allen, quiet desperation, woot. but i'm suprised you didn't notice the design touches in either of them. Like, there is this scene, where joan allen is standing in the kitchen, and her outfit and the lines of the set all perfectly match. the whole movie is like that. But i'm a real fan of symetry and color match to make symbolism in movies... :rolleyes: :D
But i love Kevin Kline, too, and the child actors in that movie were perfect. And you really can't say enough when you find child actors that don't irritate the **** out of you. Hmmm, i should read the book now that i've seen the movie, yeah? :wavey:

Oh, I noticed. Argento is famous for his use of color. Another fantastic one is Greenaway's The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover. The colors and the designs in that film are breathtaking. You'd have an orgasm. :laugh:

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Oh, I noticed. Argento is famous for his use of color. Another fantastic one is Greenaway's The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover. The colors and the designs in that film are breathtaking. You'd have an orgasm. :laugh:
i've seen parts of that, and in fact, i did have a "design orgasm" :laugh: I'll have to see more Argento. But if you ever re watch Ice Storm, take special note. And Christina Ricci's red poncho... :D Weren't the scene's between her and the two brothers exceptionally strange and real? and Katie Holmes, I really loved her then, i wish she would repeat a performance like that...that scene with elton john in her rich girl's house? be still my heart! sorry, i know you read the book, and it was better, but i really love that movie...

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i've seen parts of that, and in fact, i did have a "design orgasm" :laugh: I'll have to see more Argento. But if you ever re watch Ice Storm, take special note. And Christina Ricci's red poncho... :D Weren't the scene's between her and the two brothers exceptionally strange and real? and Katie Holmes, I really loved her then, i wish she would repeat a performance like that...that scene with elton john in her rich girl's house? be still my heart! sorry, i know you read the book, and it was better, but i really love that movie...

It's a beautiful movie; the cinematograpghy, the direction, the soundtrack, the performances (especially by Joan Allen and Sigourney Weaver IMO) are close to perfection. Actually I'm an Ang Lee huge fan and love every movie he has done, so maybe I'm a little biased. :D

Romy

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i've seen parts of that, and in fact, i did have a "design orgasm" :laugh: I'll have to see more Argento. But if you ever re watch Ice Storm, take special note. And Christina Ricci's red poncho... :D Weren't the scene's between her and the two brothers exceptionally strange and real? and Katie Holmes, I really loved her then, i wish she would repeat a performance like that...that scene with elton john in her rich girl's house? be still my heart! sorry, i know you read the book, and it was better, but i really love that movie...

I was never a Katie Holmes fan, but Pieces of April won me over. Honestly, that whole cast was exceptional, but her and Patricia Clarkson were amazing.

You should watch The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover in its entirety, it's breathtaking. The restaurant is so exquisite and the indivdual sections of it are all different colors (white for the bathroom, red for the banquet hall, green for the kitchen, etc.). And the ending is just jaw-dropping. :laugh: "It's a delicacy, Albert." :laugh:

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It's a beautiful movie; the cinematograpghy, the direction, the soundtrack, the performances (especially by Joan Allen and Sigourney Weaver IMO) are close to perfection. Actually I'm an Ang Lee huge fan and love every movie he has done, so maybe I'm a little biased. :D

Romy

I think he's a hack. :sorry: He's had a good number of crappy flicks and will never be forgiven for Ride With the Devil and The Hulk. :laugh:

[bikerchic]

I'm alittle late in the game here, those links of Lindsey's house don't work for me or they've expired and I've searched for picture's but no luck, someone please help :confused:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Try this link

http://www.belairvilla.com/

Still wondering why it's up for sale. :confused:

[bikerchic]

Thank you, that worked! One question though......where's the most important room, the recording studio? :confused:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Thank you, that worked! One question though......where's the most important room, the recording studio? :confused:

I think that it might the free standing little guest house. I don't know but I guess he took all the recording equipment out. I don't think that comes with the house. I am still puzzled as to why go and build it and then sell. :confused:

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I think that it might the free standing little guest house. I don't know but I guess he took all the recording equipment out. I don't think that comes with the house. I am still puzzled as to why go and build it and then sell. :confused:
If your trying to sell a house for a kazillion dollars in "Tinsel Town" (where the music people population is really high) why wouldn't you leave the recording studio intact and highlight it as a selling point? :confused: Do we fans have to think of everything? :lol: :shrug:

[tuigirl]

Phew..that was the longest link!! Fascinating .Very cool..that there's an NZ flax, ferntree and cabbage tree in the garden :thumbsup:
What a shame, that there's only a guitarcase in one corner, you'd never guess a guitar player lived there, and not an FM pic or gold disc in sight either!It's strange... I would have put Linds down for an Ikea man myself, Spanish style is kinda interesting though.

[WelshWitchPMD]

If your trying to sell a house for a kazillion dollars in "Tinsel Town" (where the music people population is really high) why wouldn't you leave the recording studio intact and highlight it as a selling point? :confused: Do we fans have to think of everything? :lol: :shrug:

Who knows but the whole thing just seems really, really odd.

[bikerchic]

Phew..that was the longest link!! Fascinating .Very cool..that there's an NZ flax, ferntree and cabbage tree in the garden :thumbsup:
What a shame, that there's only a guitarcase in one corner, you'd never guess a guitar player lived there, and not an FM pic or gold disc in sight either!It's strange... I would have put Linds down for an Ikea man myself, Spanish style is kinda interesting though.
You are so right about the guitar player living there, you'd never know it. I know when they do these photo lay outs for houses they try to make them look like something out of a magazine, no personal items, no toys etc....just very clean and simple, so that your not trying to appeal to only one type of buyer, but who knows, if he had left all the Fleetwood Mac stuff maybe some really rich Mac fan would buy it (some really rich Mac fan, now that's funny :lol: ) But then again if he hasn't been living in the house very long maybe it never was decorated with the personal stuff, but your right welshwitch, very odd!

[sodascouts]

Phew..that was the longest link!! Fascinating .Very cool..that there's an NZ flax, ferntree and cabbage tree in the garden :thumbsup:
What a shame, that there's only a guitarcase in one corner, you'd never guess a guitar player lived there, and not an FM pic or gold disc in sight either!It's strange... I would have put Linds down for an Ikea man myself, Spanish style is kinda interesting though.


I didn't even see the guitarcase! But wow, what a beautiful house.

[amber]

I didn't even see the guitarcase! But wow, what a beautiful house.
Yeah, i totally wanted to see the studio, actually. But the house is gorgeous. It's decorated with a little too much yellow tones for my taste, but i wouldn't kick it outta my bed for eating crackers, that's for sure.
Amber "one bedroom apartment" G.

[madformac]

Phew..that was the longest link!! Fascinating .Very cool..that there's an NZ flax, ferntree and cabbage tree in the garden :thumbsup:
What a shame, that there's only a guitarcase in one corner, you'd never guess a guitar player lived there, and not an FM pic or gold disc in sight either!It's strange... I would have put Linds down for an Ikea man myself, Spanish style is kinda interesting though.


I thought the house was very nice, great views, nice pool and a lot of spacious grounds, the styling of the house itself is wonderful but the interior furniture just doesn't fit with the property.. I also think it's filled with unnecessary furniture. All the rooms had the same tones which is good for continuity but you couldn't escape the theme, I'd have used more subtle colour shades and variety myself. Browns, whites and creams are good in that they don't tend to date, too many yellowish hues for me there though..

I'm sure it will sell though, plenty of rich tasteless people in California, one of them will buy it... I cannot picture LB having lived here as it stands right now... The interior is just not him..

[desertangel]

Long thread!!!

I just wanna throw in my speculation as to why LBs house is for sale...



.....................................BLACK MOLD!!!!!

That's right.... STACHYBOCHEROUS!!

He shouldna scrimped when selecting a remodel contractor.... for TWO YEARS water has been seeping in EVERYWHERE... and when the dog started getting sick (I didn't want to say one of the kids, because I'm just kinda funny that way), they took it to the vet and discovered a rare lung ailment caused only by STACHY! The Bs hired the same guy Ed McMahon used to rip the walls apart in the house and that's when they found it....

......................................BLACK MOLD!!!

When they called the Klean Up Krew for an estimate, they decided it would be more financially viable to sell the place. After all, it is kinda like celebrity memorabilia and you know how everyone LOVES memorabilia!

:D

Laura

[tuigirl]

I thought the house was very nice, great views, nice pool and a lot of spacious grounds, the styling of the house itself is wonderful but the interior furniture just doesn't fit with the property.. I also think it's filled with unnecessary furniture. All the rooms had the same tones which is good for continuity but you couldn't escape the theme, I'd have used more subtle colour shades and variety myself. Browns, whites and creams are good in that they don't tend to date, too many yellowish hues for me there though..

I'm sure it will sell though, plenty of rich tasteless people in California, one of them will buy it... I cannot picture LB having lived here as it stands right now... The interior is just not him..

Actually, forget the house..the wee poolside cabin would suit me just fine, I'm not into big and spacious, I'm more into compact..haha :laugh:
I wonder how much the poolside area alone would cost?

[Vianna]

That house is the most gorgeous thing. Would I love to have it.

Where is all this stuff coming from about Lindsey and Kristen splitting up?

One thing I am sure of is that Stevie would never break up a marriage. She's too conservative for that.

[desertangel]

Okay, I just got the link to work and was actually able to view the slideshow. It really is a beautiful house and very much a Spanish-motiff, as was mentioned. I love the pool!! The view is great. I prefer the evening view as I don't care to be reminded of what it was like to live in that smog. I wonder how big the parcel is. Didn't the T&C article say the house was a comfortable 4,000 square feet??

If I ever had to move back to LA, I would definitely do the room/cottage for rent thing, a la Kato Kalin. It would be worth it just to live in an envigorating environment. Here is a link just for fun...

http://www.4000rentals.com/california/apartments-for-rent/bel-air-apartments.html


Laura

[tuigirl]

Okay, I just got the link to work and was actually able to view the slideshow. It really is a beautiful house and very much a Spanish-motiff, as was mentioned. I love the pool!! The view is great. I prefer the evening view as I don't care to be reminded of what it was like to live in that smog. ... Laura

The view is fab,esp at night, but don't you just want to take a chainsaw to that tree/bush, that is right in the middle!!! If it's not his, then he wants to do a midnight raid....

[tuigirl]

Haha..did we really doubt LB's sense of house decoration...here's a quote from an old thread I did way back in 2002, about his starsign....

No matter how roughly countrified his home may appear, this person will have a “lace curtain” mentality. He likes frippery and his tastes run to the gaudy. Nowhere, in fact, is the L/O schizophrenia so obvious as in his home. The heavy and cumbersome side by side with the frivolous.


Aaaahhhh...and we knew it all along :laugh:

ooh..and here's the link..http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=7845

[gldstwmn]

In the most recent issue of Vanity Fair magazine, there is an article called Nightmare On Sunset about a recent string of home invasions in Bel Air, Brentwood, Pacific Palisades and Beverly Hills. According to the article the residents are ..."in the grip of a crime wave. Over the last year, masked crews-and one solo bandit known as the Bel Air Burglar-have made off with tens of millions in loot, leaving the LAPD stymied and vitims swapping theories about how the thieves know exactly when and where to strike.
(snip)
Overall, the LAPD likes to stress, serious crime in Los Angeles was down 13.6 percent in 2004 compared with the previous year. And of all the areas in the city's 468-square-mile sprawl, the star -studded neighborhoods of West LA are among the safest, monitored no only by several police forces but by private security compaies as well. Yet almost every day, it seems, ninja-like burglars, black-masked and black-grabed, are spotted climbing over security gates and recorded by surveillance cameras smashing rocks through plate-glass windows and prying open safes or simply ripping them out of walls and hauling them away.
(snip)
Like many of the victims interviewed by Vanity Fair, the doctor and his wife have since moved, in their case to a sleekly contemporary home in another neighborhood. They have a new maid and what they hope is better security.
(snip)
All year, other crews with M.O.'s of their own have hit hillside homes. There's the gang of three black burglars who specialize in heavy lifting; they cart of plasma TV's into waiting vans. "They walked out with a safe that weighed hundreds of pounds," recounts one LAPD detective, A Russian crew seems to case houses by working as air-conditioner installers-one couple returned hime from a trip to New York in April to find their house on Tower Road ransacked and $50,000 to $60,000 in jewlery stolen, just after air conditioners had been installed...
(snip)
Burglaries, as LAPD deputy chief Moore likes to point out, are a crime of property, usually committed when no one is home. Hardly anyone during this spree, he says, had been hurt. but that changed on July 28, when a maid and her husband who worked for singer John Ondrasik of the band Five for Fighting, had the bad luck to surprise an armed burglar at the singer's Encino Avenue home. The maid's husband, 44-year-old Carlos Canton, was stabbed several times by the intruder, who was described by the LAPD as wearing dark clothing, possibly a security guard uniform. Canton survived the assault but was badly hurt.
(snip)
Last summer, the homeowner's association of Brentwood Park sent out a routine newsletter that mentioned, in passing, that the neighborhood had experienced at least 25 recent burglaries north of Sunset, 8 south of Sunset, 6 "follow home" robberies (when a victim in a car is followed home and then robbed), and one attempted child abduction."
Not all of the victims names were disclosed in the article. Among those who were named were Loree Rodkin, Sheila Vance, Beatrice Niven, Paris Hilton and Davis Factor.
So, after reading this, I was just wonder if this could be the reason for the Buckinghams to sell their new house. If I was home alone with three children and my husband was on tour a lot, it would certainly make me think twice. :shrug:

[GardenStateGirlie]

In the most recent issue of Vanity Fair magazine, there is an article called Nightmare On Sunset about a recent string of home invasions in Bel Air, Brentwood, Pacific Palisades and Beverly Hills. According to the article the residents are ..."in the grip of a crime wave. Over the last year, masked crews-and one solo bandit known as the Bel Air Burglar-have made off with tens of millions in loot, leaving the LAPD stymied and vitims swapping theories about how the thieves know exactly when and where to strike.
(snip)
Overall, the LAPD likes to stress, serious crime in Los Angeles was down 13.6 percent in 2004 compared with the previous year. And of all the areas in the city's 468-square-mile sprawl, the star -studded neighborhoods of West LA are among the safest, monitored no only by several police forces but by private security compaies as well. Yet almost every day, it seems, ninja-like burglars, black-masked and black-grabed, are spotted climbing over security gates and recorded by surveillance cameras smashing rocks through plate-glass windows and prying open safes or simply ripping them out of walls and hauling them away.
(snip)
Like many of the victims interviewed by Vanity Fair, the doctor and his wife have since moved, in their case to a sleekly contemporary home in another neighborhood. They have a new maid and what they hope is better security.
(snip)
All year, other crews with M.O.'s of their own have hit hillside homes. There's the gang of three black burglars who specialize in heavy lifting; they cart of plasma TV's into waiting vans. "They walked out with a safe that weighed hundreds of pounds," recounts one LAPD detective, A Russian crew seems to case houses by working as air-conditioner installers-one couple returned hime from a trip to New York in April to find their house on Tower Road ransacked and $50,000 to $60,000 in jewlery stolen, just after air conditioners had been installed...
(snip)
Burglaries, as LAPD deputy chief Moore likes to point out, are a crime of property, usually committed when no one is home. Hardly anyone during this spree, he says, had been hurt. but that changed on July 28, when a maid and her husband who worked for singer John Ondrasik of the band Five for Fighting, had the bad luck to surprise an armed burglar at the singer's Encino Avenue home. The maid's husband, 44-year-old Carlos Canton, was stabbed several times by the intruder, who was described by the LAPD as wearing dark clothing, possibly a security guard uniform. Canton survived the assault but was badly hurt.
(snip)
Last summer, the homeowner's association of Brentwood Park sent out a routine newsletter that mentioned, in passing, that the neighborhood had experienced at least 25 recent burglaries north of Sunset, 8 south of Sunset, 6 "follow home" robberies (when a victim in a car is followed home and then robbed), and one attempted child abduction."
Not all of the victims names were disclosed in the article. Among those who were named were Loree Rodkin, Sheila Vance, Beatrice Niven, Paris Hilton and Davis Factor.
So, after reading this, I was just wonder if this could be the reason for the Buckinghams to sell their new house. If I was home alone with three children and my husband was on tour a lot, it would certainly make me think twice. :shrug:

Considering the house is up for sale for $21 million, there is no way that home cost that much to build nor the property is worth that much. It almost sounds to me like they'd have to be selling it fully furnished to get that much. JMO.

[gldstwmn]

Considering the house is up for sale for $21 million, there is no way that home cost that much to build nor the property is worth that much. It almost sounds to me like they'd have to be selling it fully furnished to get that much. JMO.

What does that have to do with the robberies though? :confused:

[GardenStateGirlie]

What does that have to do with the robberies though? :confused:

I'm saying I don't think it's because there were local robberies that they're selling. I could be wrong :shrug:

[sodascouts]

So, after reading this, I was just wonder if this could be the reason for the Buckinghams to sell their new house. If I was home alone with three children and my husband was on tour a lot, it would certainly make me think twice. :shrug:

Yikes. I certainly hope that the Buckinghams weren't forced to give up a magnificent house they spent years building and customizing as well as a property Lindsey has owned for 20 years because of a spate of burglaries. That would be a real shame. :(

If that is the case, I imagine selling it for $21 mill is a bad idea. Who would want to pay that much for a house in a bad neighborhood? lol

[WelshWitchPMD]

If that is the case, I imagine selling it for $21 mill is a bad idea. Who would want to pay that much for a house in a bad neighborhood? lol


Yeah, I agree. Not much of a selling point there. Sounds like he is going to have a tough time selling this house for that price.

[gldstwmn]

Yikes. I certainly hope that the Buckinghams weren't forced to give up a magnificent house they spent years building and customizing as well as a property Lindsey has owned for 20 years because of a spate of burglaries. That would be a real shame. :(

If that is the case, I imagine selling it for $21 mill is a bad idea. Who would want to pay that much for a house in a bad neighborhood? lol

From the article: "The police told me that our ring like to hit houses on weekend nights between seven and eight," recounts the wife of a major Hollywood producer, whose Benedict Canyon house was burgled last February as the trend grew more apparent. "It happened to us on a Saturday night at 8:07."
The producer's wife feels sure the thieves knew that the housekeepr was off on Saturday nights and that the house would be empty. Brazenly, they threw a large lawn sculpture through the living room window, ran up to the master bedroom and stuffed as much jewelry as they could into a pillowcase.
(snip)
The fence had a pawnshop on Western Avenue. The Beverly Hills police had swooped down on it with a search warrant, then gone to the fence's house, where they found his wife wearing some of the jewelry just stolen.
(snip)
Interestingly, the fence's wife worked in the real-estate field, for a title-escrow compan. The producer's house had been on the market for a year. Was this, perhaps, the conduit of inside information for this particular Cuban Crew?
(snip)
Some of the victims have quietly sold their houses and moved to other neighborhoods, hoping thieves won't follow them there. At least one victim, Loree Rodkin, has decided that a house in the hills now is too scary a proposition. Instead, she's bought an apartment in a highly secure high-rise building."

[desertangel]

Two words... GATED COMMUNITY.

You would think at that price, it would be. I remember seeing something on TV one time that showed these thieves posing as repairmen to gain entry into homes. Wouldn't you think that Mr. and Mrs. Richie Rich would let the guard shack know when they're expecting repairs and the repair people would be on the "list" for that day in order to gain entry? Who knows.

Laura

[gldstwmn]

Just wanted to let you all know that Lindsey and Kristen closed on a new house on December 21, 2004.
I work in the real estate industry and came across the information in my travels.
I hope that their home was not struck by the burlgars in Bel Air and congratulate them on their new home. :)

[GardenStateGirlie]

Just wanted to let you all know that Lindsey and Kristen closed on a new house on December 21, 2004. I work in the real estate industry and came across the information in my travels. I hope that their home was not struck by the burlgars in Bel Air and congratulate them on their new home. :)

It's 3 miles away from their old home. I don't get it :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

So much for ambiguity.

[GardenStateGirlie]

So much for ambiguity.

Someone on another board had posted that they purchased a house in a location that I know to be incredibly close to the location of their Bel Air home. It just doesn't make sense to scale down and move 3 miles down the road. Maybe to them it does but I don't get it.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Frankly, I'm perplexed as to why you'd sell the house you've been working on for a few years that you call your "greatest accomplishment." Strange.

Uhmm - - - could it have been . . . for MONEY???

NOT like an artist like Lindsey is INTERESTED in that!??? :lol:


From Steve Martin, 1978 or something:

"OHHHHhhh so it's a PROFIT thing! . . . :shocked: :eek:"


:rolleyes:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Someone on another board had posted that they purchased a house in a location that I know to be incredibly close to the location of their Bel Air home. It just doesn't make sense to scale down and move 3 miles down the road. Maybe to them it does but I don't get it.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


:wavey: :D


Mr. Buckingham is very, very, very smart HEE-HEE!

Can YOU say, "Generational Wealth???" :eek: :shocked:

[Ghost_Tracker]

PSSSSST Lindsey and company have another house.

One that's actually BIG.

OH MY GOD it's big!

Shoulda learned to play that guitar,

but GEEEZ I shoulda learned to arrange and produce HEE-HEE! :lol:

[DavidMn]

Lindsey and Tom Cruise are running off to Massachusetts together. ;) :p
Who the hell hasnt Tom Cruise alledgedly been with. :lol:

[Kelly]

PSSSSST Lindsey and company have another house.

One that's actually BIG.

OH MY GOD it's big!

Shoulda learned to play that guitar,

but GEEEZ I shoulda learned to arrange and produce HEE-HEE! :lol:


It might be big but the square footage is significantly less than the house on the Hill and they have more kids. Plus, you have no idea that he actually MADE money selling the house on the hill...unless you are privy to his financial documents.

[DavidMn]

It might be big but the square footage is significantly less than the house on the Hill and they have more kids. Plus, you have no idea that he actually MADE money selling the house on the hill...unless you are privy to his financial documents.
I think those are public record. Not that I would ever care about that, It's none of my business.