Nader To Challenge New Hampshire Vote

[gldstwmn]

Ralph Nader is going to challenge the election in New Hampshire after voter fraud was uncovered today.
I will post more as soon as I know more. :)
If Nader gets a recount in New Hampshire, he will also get a recount in 34 additional states.

[dissention]

Ralph Nader is going to challenge the election in New Hampshire after voter fraud was uncovered today.
I will post more as soon as I know more. :)

He's working with Bev Harris, so I just sent $50 to them. Everyone should send something!

[gldstwmn]

Also, everyone who feels there may have been election fraud this election cycle, please send a fax to Ralph asking that he contest the New Hampshire votes. His fax # is 202-256-0092.

[dissention]

AND - go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org ! They DESPERATELY need at least $50,000 to pay for FOIA in all 3,000 counties they requested them in.

[gldstwmn]

The House Judiciary Committee now says it is calling for an investigation of Black Box Voting fraud.

[dissention]

Also, everyone who feels there may have been election fraud this election cycle, please send a fax to Ralph asking that he contest the New Hampshire votes. His fax # is 202-256-0092.

I just shot one off. You have to write your name and blackboxvoting.org underneath your name. Also, write Black Box Voter Activist on it! Make sure you address it to "Ralph"! :wavey:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I think I'm done giving money for the year...I want a refund from the Kerry campaign!

Just kidding...although it would be nice!

Chris

[Moony]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying **** about Ralph "lazy eye" Nader?

:sorry:

[dissention]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying **** about Ralph "lazy eye" Nader?

:sorry:

What he's doing now can only serve to benefit us. :shrug: He's challenging the states that Bush won and is trying to audit the boxes to see if they were rigged.

[Moony]

What he's doing now can only serve to benefit us. :shrug: He's challenging the states that Bush won and is trying to audit the boxes to see if they were rigged.

Ah, I see (feeling dumb because I didn't really read the posts above...). More power to him, even though I can't stand the old corpse.

[dissention]

Ah, I see (feeling dumb because I didn't really read the posts above...). More power to him, even though I can't stand the old corpse.

I've always liked him and voted for him in 2000, I just think he f*cked up big time in running this year and he's made some majorly bad political judgements along the way. But his history of advocacy is phenomenal.

[amber]

I've always liked him and voted for him in 2000, I just think he f*cked up big time in running this year and he's made some majorly bad political judgements along the way. But his history of advocacy is phenomenal.
:nod: :nod:
I admire him greatly.

[gldstwmn]

What he's doing now can only serve to benefit us. :shrug: He's challenging the states that Bush won and is trying to audit the boxes to see if they were rigged.

Well, Kerry won NH but the recall process is quite simple there and apparently they have uncovered voter fraud there so...

[strandinthewind]

What he's doing now can only serve to benefit us. :shrug: He's challenging the states that Bush won and is trying to audit the boxes to see if they were rigged.


I have issues with this just as I had issues with Gore and his selective initial process in Florida. I think all votes should be counted no matter the person they favor. I think you meant this, but you statement did not imply that to wit: "He's challenging the states that Bush won" - I think he should challenge ANY instance of voter fraud and/or mistakes in the process :shrug:

[dissention]

Well, Kerry won NH but the recall process is quite simple there and apparently they have uncovered voter fraud there so...

He thinks something is up because the margin of victory was so slim.

[dissention]

I have issues with this just as I had issues with Gore and his selective initial process in Florida. I think all votes should be counted no matter the person they favor. I think you meant this, but you statement did not imply that to wit: "He's challenging the states that Bush won" - I think he should challenge ANY instance of voter fraud and/or mistakes in the process :shrug:

He's challenging 34 states and Bush obviously did not win 34 states. He is challenging places where he suspects voter fraud, and if even if that meant Bush states, so be it. The day we have a national reo****, Jason, is the day monkeys fly out of my ass, pick me up, and escort me into Oz. I mean, c'mon.

[strandinthewind]

He's challenging 34 states and Bush obviously did not win 34 states. He is challenging places where he suspects voter fraud, and if even if that meant Bush states, so be it. The day we have a national reo****, Jason, is the day monkeys fly out of my ass, pick me up, and escort me into Oz. I mean, c'mon.

Well, I have seen worse come out of there :p :laugh: :wavey:

Seriously, I took your comment literally :shrug: AND - I was not talking about a national recount. I was just saying Nader should investigate all places, not just the places W won, which your statement "He's challenging the states that Bush won" lead me to believe. I am glad you were in error and Nader is, once again, doing the right thing and more power to him :cool:

Also, a national recount would be next to impossible because the Const. allows each state to indicate how it will choose and send its Electoral College members. The states have to act within Federal voting laws, but other than that, there does not have to be even a uniform process within the same state. Thus, a national recount would be impossible or at least logistically impossible - but in theory it could I guess be done if each state's recount laws were satisfied :shrug:

In any event, I am glad Nader is doing this becuase I think it will help in the future.

[gldstwmn]

I have issues with this just as I had issues with Gore and his selective initial process in Florida. I think all votes should be counted no matter the person they favor. I think you meant this, but you statement did not imply that to wit: "He's challenging the states that Bush won" - I think he should challenge ANY instance of voter fraud and/or mistakes in the process :shrug:

He is. He filed in New Hamshire today. Kerry won New Hampshire.

[dissention]

Seriously, I took your comment literally :shrug: AND - I was not talking about a national recount. I was just saying Nader should investigate all places, not just the places W won, which your statement "He's challenging the states that Bush won" lead me to believe. I am glad you were in error and Nader is, once again, doing the right thing and more power to him :cool:


He is, 34 states. ;) That means he's not just challenging states Bush won, but states that Kerry won. The numbers simply don't add up with many of these states.

[strandinthewind]

He is. He filed in New Hamshire today. Kerry won New Hampshire.

I know that - I was just sommenting on Diss' statement. I thought by saying "He's challenging the states that Bush won" he was implying only those states should be investigated. He said, I think, he did not mean that. So . . .

BTW - if anyone is interested, here is a site containing Federal Election Law http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/laws.html

[gldstwmn]

Link to House Judiciary Committee request:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf

[amber]

BTW - if anyone is interested, here is a site containing Federal Election Law http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2004/laws.html
Bah! Why would anyone want to know about that? :laugh: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

He is, 34 states. ;) That means he's not just challenging states Bush won, but states that Kerry won. The numbers simply don't add up with many of these states.

I hope the distinction in mumbers makes a difference. I fear it will not. BUT - the investigation MUST be done :nod: :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Bah! Why would anyone want to know about that? :laugh: :wavey:

I can assure you Diss, who IMO should have been a lawyer, can probably quote it verbatim :cool: :nod: :wavey:

[amber]

I can assure you Diss, who IMO should have been a lawyer, can probably quote it verbatim :cool: :nod: :wavey:
oh, good! I'll have to invite him to my next party! heheh.
I was joking. everyone should want to know that! :nod: :wavey:

[estranged4life]

He's working with Bev Harris, so I just sent $50 to them. Everyone should send something!

but thanks to those "oh so great" Bush tax cuts for the middle class families (They never said that it only helps those with children...Not those like us who have NO children) we are usually broke after paying the bills/groceries/etc.

Btw, The first stupid ass $400 refund we received in Aug 2001 for this dumb ass tax cut paid for only one thing of interest, Which I will always remember:

Seeing Stevie Nicks live in Dallas!

Brian j.

[gldstwmn]

What you need to know about the people who own the comapny that made the voting machines:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

"Increasingly, investigative writers seeking an explanation have looked to Diebold’s history for clues. The electronic voting industry is dominated by only a few corporations – Diebold, Election Systems & Software (ES&S) and Sequoia. Diebold and ES&S combined count an estimated 80% of U.S. black box electronic votes.

In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics."

[amber]

What you need to know about the people who own the comapny that made the voting machines:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

"Increasingly, investigative writers seeking an explanation have looked to Diebold’s history for clues. The electronic voting industry is dominated by only a few corporations – Diebold, Election Systems & Software (ES&S) and Sequoia. Diebold and ES&S combined count an estimated 80% of U.S. black box electronic votes.

In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics."
Excellent.

[estranged4life]

Well...I'm in a family of three, me being the "child." And Bush's tax cuts haven't helped us one lick. We have a lot of medical issues, and healthcare has gotten much worse during his time in office...

All's well that ends well! Maybe you'll remember the Dallas concert long after you've forgotten about the tax cuts! I like your signature, by the way.

-Justin

is that those dumb ass tax cuts only help if your family has more than 3 children...

If a family has 1 or 2 children and it doesnt help whatsoever. If ya have zero children, ya see the tax break helping the same way as receiving a rectal exam from a proctoligist with a depth perception problem.

As for healthcare...If Deb didnt have health insurance she would have died by now, This country not having health care coverage for ALL citizens is a sick joke. I have coverage being that I am a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, Which covers a majority of things, But not major illnesses such as cancer which Deb suffered from. Her insurance has covered 100% of the well over $450,000 it has taken to get the cancer into remission thru treatments such as Chemo/Radiation.

We felt bad when talking to the American Cancer Society last year when Deb first started her Chemo and she went to seek info about how the ACS could help (Financial information from Cancer charities & headgear/caps/scarfs/wigs for those who may lose their hair which didnt help Deb much since she hardly lost any of her hair)...They couldnt provide any monetary support (They had no more money to help any new clients) for anyone due to "budget cuts", But they told Deb "You're lucky your insurance covers your treatments...Most of the people we see, cannot get ANY insurance coverage or financial help to offset the medical bills". That made us feel bad...And yet extremely sad.

Will this country ever have medical coverage for all? Sadly I dont think it will happen anytime soon.

Brian j.

[takenbythesky]

is that those dumb ass tax cuts only help if your family has more than 3 children...

If a family has 1 or 2 children and it doesnt help whatsoever. If ya have zero children, ya see the tax break helping the same way as receiving a rectal exam from a proctoligist with a depth perception problem.

As for healthcare...If Deb didnt have health insurance she would have died by now, This country not having health care coverage for ALL citizens is a sick joke. I have coverage being that I am a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, Which covers a majority of things, But not major illnesses such as cancer which Deb suffered from. Her insurance has covered 100% of the well over $450,000 it has taken to get the cancer into remission thru treatments such as Chemo/Radiation.

We felt bad when talking to the American Cancer Society last year when Deb first started her Chemo and she went to seek info about how the ACS could help (Financial information from Cancer charities & headgear/caps/scarfs/wigs for those who may lose their hair which didnt help Deb much since she hardly lost any of her hair)...They couldnt provide any monetary support (They had no more money to help any new clients) for anyone due to "budget cuts", But they told Deb "You're lucky your insurance covers your treatments...Most of the people we see, cannot get ANY insurance coverage or financial help to offset the medical bills". That made us feel bad...And yet extremely sad.

Will this country ever have medical coverage for all? Sadly I dont think it will happen anytime soon.

Brian j.

I'm very glad that Deb is still with us. Dealing with medical issues is very stressful, and yes, I understand how much better I have it than most others. Health care for everyone in the US is imperative. I hope that neither you nor your loved ones will have to deal with health problems for a long time...You've had a lifetime's worth already. Hang in there, Brian J.

-Justin