View Full Version : G O T V For Kerry!
dontlookdown
10-29-2004, 12:40 AM
Don't forget to vote on Tuesday!
If you live in a state where they offer early voting - do it.
FLEETWOOD MAC supports a Kerry Edwards victory and so should you!
no_spoken_word
10-29-2004, 09:45 AM
John McVie doesn't support Kerry! Though Stevie probably does.
I'm just sayin...
dissention
10-29-2004, 10:51 AM
John McVie doesn't support Kerry! Though Stevie probably does.
I'm just sayin...
Who knows about John, I found his answer in the Q&A to be rather sarcastic.
But there can be no doubt that Lindsey, Mick, and Stevie support Kerry.
thepoetinmyhear
10-29-2004, 11:03 AM
Now, now. Let's not jump to making claims we can't support dissention. There certainly can be doubt seeing as how I have doubt that if Mick were an eligible voter in this country I do not believe he would support Kerry (mick is far too greedy to support a man who wants to reverse his tax cut). Lindsey and Stevie have also not outright made claims for either candidate thus allowing for... (gasp) doubt.
Michael
dissention
10-29-2004, 11:08 AM
Now, now. Let's not jump to making claims we can't support dissention. There certainly can be doubt seeing as how I have doubt that if Mick were an eligible voter in this country I do not believe he would support Kerry (mick is far too greedy to support a man who wants to reverse his tax cut). Lindsey and Stevie have also not outright made claims for either candidate thus allowing for... (gasp) doubt.
Michael
Mick LOVED Clinton, so I wouldn't say that he isn't a Kerry fan. ;)
Lindsey has donated to Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, and GLAAD, plus he's recorded a commercial for Air America. He's also made negatives remarks about both Bushes. A Bush supporter he ain't. ;)
Stevie is a sweet, deluded little soul, but I have a high time believing that she's deluded enough to support Dimson. And, from what I gather, she loved Clinton. And she has a long history of donating to only Democrats. ;)
ShangriLaTroubl
10-29-2004, 11:16 AM
Didn't Mick hint in an interview the other day that if he could vote he would vote for Kerry?
Also we dont know about John, Corey Buckingham said John put the Kerry sticker on his case on his own and told me "draw your own conclusions." When John answered my question he said someone put it on there as a prank, so who knows...there ARE many Republicans for Kerry...
We know Stevie supported democrats throughout her life, including Al Gore for President....and like you said Lindsey, being on Air America says it all right there..all we really need a confirmation on is John!
Also to add, i liked how you tried to make a connection of this to Fleetwood Mac so you could post it on the Rumours board...still probably should have gone in the Chit Chat forum...but who cares?
Most celebrities tend to be democrats...even the filthy rich ones..
Chris
Tusk57
10-29-2004, 11:36 AM
I love Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick to death, but I'm going to have to side with good old John McVie on this one and cancel out your vote DontLookDown. Am I the only Republican who visits the Ledge? Sometimes it seems that way! :confused:
gldstwmn
10-29-2004, 11:47 AM
Who knows about John, I found his answer in the Q&A to be rather sarcastic.
But there can be no doubt that Lindsey, Mick, and Stevie support Kerry.
Yup. I suspect that John may be a closet Kerry voter. :nod:
gldstwmn
10-29-2004, 11:50 AM
Now, now. Let's not jump to making claims we can't support dissention. There certainly can be doubt seeing as how I have doubt that if Mick were an eligible voter in this country I do not believe he would support Kerry (mick is far too greedy to support a man who wants to reverse his tax cut). Lindsey and Stevie have also not outright made claims for either candidate thus allowing for... (gasp) doubt.
Michael
Mick said in a recent interview he would vote for Kerry-if he could. Lindsey recorded a Get Out The Vote ad and we've listed Stevie's long list of contribtions to the Democratic party many times over on this site. The only one who is making claims they can't support here is you my freind. :nod:
Nixxxed
10-29-2004, 11:50 AM
Am I the only Republican who visits the Ledge? Sometimes it seems that way! :confused:
No, you're not. There are at least 9 votes for Bush/Cheney on our Presidential Vote Poll in the Chit Chat Forum. You can take them to double digits!
For the rest of you, whoever you decide to vote for, please just vote for SOMEONE! If you don't like the major-party candidates, there's a complete list of declared candidates at the link below. Don't like any of them? Write-in your own name or someone else's.
http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president.php?dist=bio.php
The more people vote, for anyone, the less likely chance we have another freakin recount. And who really wants to go through that hell again?
Please Please Please VOTE!
gldstwmn
10-29-2004, 11:51 AM
I love Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick to death, but I'm going to have to side with good old John McVie on this one and cancel out your vote DontLookDown. Am I the only Republican who visits the Ledge? Sometimes it seems that way! :confused:
Enjoy your apocalypse. :)
GateandGarden
10-29-2004, 11:57 AM
Stevie is a sweet, deluded little soul, but I have a high time believing that she's deluded enough to support Dimson. And, from what I gather, she loved Clinton. And she has a long history of donating to only Democrats. ;)Yeah, and let's not forget how comfy they look in this pic. (http://www.nicksfix.com/r_and_r_convention_2001_clinton.jpg) Or at least I always thought so.
Hillary
dissention
10-29-2004, 12:12 PM
Also we dont know about John, Corey Buckingham said John put the Kerry sticker on his case on his own and told me "draw your own conclusions." When John answered my question he said someone put it on there as a prank, so who knows...there ARE many Republicans for Kerry...
I thought that the quotations around "they" gave it away that he wasn't a Bush fan, but that's just me. It just seemed like a sarcastic response.
Kelly
10-29-2004, 12:58 PM
correct me if I am wrong, but didn't John (or maybe it was Mick?) say he was a "staunch Republican" and that at first he was leary of performing at Clinton's Inauguration? I hope he is a closet Kerry supporter myself, but I swear I remember that from somewhere. He says something about Clinton asking the Mac to perform was the best thing Clinton every did for him. :) Where is that from? Or did I make it up? :lol:
I think its pretty apparent that LB and SN are most likely Kerry supporters. Stevie has a long history of supporting that Party, as does LB with his various song contributions. :nod:
ThePenguin
10-29-2004, 01:28 PM
correct me if I am wrong, but didn't John (or maybe it was Mick?) say he was a "staunch Republican" and that at first he was leary of performing at Clinton's Inauguration? I hope he is a closet Kerry supporter myself, but I swear I remember that from somewhere. He says something about Clinton asking the Mac to perform was the best thing Clinton every did for him. :) Where is that from? Or did I make it up? :lol:
I think its pretty apparent that LB and SN are most likely Kerry supporters. Stevie has a long history of supporting that Party, as does LB with his various song contributions. :nod:
John's comment about 'that was the best thing Bill Clinton ever did for me' was from the All Access show, I think. He was NOT a Clinton supporter (said he did it because the 'majority ruled' in that decision)--and I strongly doubt he is a Kerry supporter. I think the quotes were just to emphasize that 'others' put that on his case, not him!!
FWIW the little picture on the Q/A page, of him in the red shirt-- that's him laughing the moment after that he said "That was the best thing Bill Clinton ever did for me!" I love that picture LOL, he looks so adorable. Too bad his glee comes from bad-mouthing my Bill!! :p
Someone submitted a ? to the Q/A about how he felt doing the Clinton thing; once he's back to answering I will send that one off to him. I think he's got 4 there still to get back to me-- but after that I'll get it to him so you guys can see what he thought about that.
-Lis
amber
10-29-2004, 01:50 PM
Stevie is a sweet, deluded little soul, but I have a high time believing that she's deluded enough to support Dimson. And, from what I gather, she loved Clinton. And she has a long history of donating to only Democrats. ;)
THis statement is so offensive, you patronising know it all.
:wavey:
thepoetinmyhear
10-29-2004, 02:06 PM
Mick said in a recent interview he would vote for Kerry-if he could. Lindsey recorded a Get Out The Vote ad and we've listed Stevie's long list of contribtions to the Democratic party many times over on this site. The only one who is making claims they can't support here is you my freind. :nod:
I am afraid I have made no claim that can not be supported. My ONLY claim was that there can be doubt as to who Lindsey, Mick and Stevie would vote for in the election. The idea that Stevie liked Clinton = Stevie would vote for Kerry is ridiculous. Liking one person does not necessarily mean they will like every candidate that follows that person. I am not saying that Stevie does not support Kerry or that Lindsey doesn't support Kerry, merely that there is the possibility for doubt since neither has outright said, "I like and am voting for Kerry." Barring such a statement, my claim (that there can be doubt) are 100% accurate unlike the post I originally responded to.
Michael
Edit: can someone explain how a completely bipartisan get out the vote ad can somehow be misconstrued as backing kerry?
ThePenguin
10-29-2004, 02:21 PM
Someone submitted a ? to the Q/A about how he felt doing the Clinton thing; once he's back to answering I will send that one off to him. I think he's got 4 there still to get back to me-- but after that I'll get it to him so you guys can see what he thought about that.
-Lis
Will reply to my own post-- :p
I actually just checked my outbox and that Clinton question is one of the ones he already has there to answer. Watta coincidence. :) Just wanted to mention that.
-Lis
Actually, I can't wait until this election is over because I'm sick and tired of it and I'm sick and tired of coming to this Fleetwood Mac board and seeing banners everywhere endorsing political candidates and reading little snide political comments here and there when all I REALLY want to do is read about my favorite band. I hear and read enough political BS on the radio, TV, newspaper etc......the last thing I want to do is read it here.
GateandGarden
10-29-2004, 03:35 PM
Actually, I can't wait until this election is over because I'm sick and tired of it and I'm sick and tired of coming to this Fleetwood Mac board and seeing banners everywhere endorsing political candidates and reading little snide political comments here and there when all I REALLY want to do is read about my favorite band. I hear and read enough political BS on the radio, TV, newspaper etc......the last thing I want to do is read it here.Well, isn't all of that what the "Chit-Chat" forum is for?
Hillary
mondaymornin1
10-29-2004, 04:21 PM
Well, isn't all of that what the "Chit-Chat" forum is for?
Hillary
Yep, that's what I thought. So why the hell is this thread here? And why in the hell am I reading it? :shrug:
BTW, I voted for Clinton....doesn't mean I'm voting for Kerry. Just thought I'd throw that in. Undecided here. I'm debating writing in Mickey Mouse. :(
gldstwmn
10-29-2004, 04:56 PM
Edit: can someone explain how a completely bipartisan get out the vote ad can somehow be misconstrued as backing kerry?
Sure. GOTV ads are aimed at people who don't usually vote and a large percentage of them tend to vote for the challenger as opposed to the incumbent. Which is exactly what you will see once the returns come in on Tuesday evening. :wavey:
Well, isn't all of that what the "Chit-Chat" forum is for?
Hillary
Yeah, so why hasn't it been moved there yet? It doesn't belong on the Rumours forum.
TwistedGypsy
10-29-2004, 07:32 PM
Am I the only Republican who visits the Ledge?
"You are not alone, I am here with you..." :nod:
Brit
GypsySorcerer
10-29-2004, 09:04 PM
Most celebrities tend to be democrats...even the filthy rich ones..
Chris
Which has always struck me as hypocritical, but anyway...
ShangriLaTroubl
10-29-2004, 10:57 PM
Which has always struck me as hypocritical, but anyway...
Lol not hypocritical at all, plenty of rich people vote Democrat, because they know what's right...like my aunt (who is very rich) says "i should vote for republicans because im the one who benefits from their policies, but i cannot see making everyone else pay and pay and pay so i can get some measely tax cuts..." Many rich people also care a lot about other issues, other than taxes I'm sure, like abortion rights, gay rights, freedom and or the lack thereof, health care for those less fortunate...
amber
10-29-2004, 11:02 PM
Which has always struck me as hypocritical, but anyway...
ah, so you admit repubs work for the rich! ha! :laugh:
GypsySorcerer
10-29-2004, 11:56 PM
Lol not hypocritical at all, plenty of rich people vote Democrat, because they know what's right...like my aunt (who is very rich) says "i should vote for republicans because im the one who benefits from their policies, but i cannot see making everyone else pay and pay and pay so i can get some measely tax cuts..." Many rich people also care a lot about other issues, other than taxes I'm sure, like abortion rights, gay rights, freedom and or the lack thereof, health care for those less fortunate...
It bugs me how Republicans are criticized for only caring about the rich, when celebrity Democrats live more extravagantly than anybody. I don't see them giving up any of their luxuries. It's not like they need three gas guzzling SUVs. ;)
EDIT: I agree with them in that they should stand up for gay rights, abortion rights, etc. I just find them hyprocritical on poverty, education, etc. :)
GypsySorcerer
10-29-2004, 11:57 PM
ah, so you admit repubs work for the rich! ha! :laugh:
See my reply to Chris. :wavey:
amber
10-30-2004, 12:15 AM
It bugs me how Republicans are criticized for only caring about the rich, when celebrity Democrats live more extravagantly than anybody. I don't see them giving up any of their luxuries. It's not like they need three gas guzzling SUVs. ;)
EDIT: I agree with them in that they should stand up for gay rights, abortion rights, etc. I just find them hyprocritical on poverty, education, etc. :)
I think living extravagently with your own money, is different than voting for policies that enable the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer. about the SUV's, yeah. but rich repubs already have enough money, yet they still vote to help themselves get and keep more. IMO
gldstwmn
10-30-2004, 12:37 AM
It bugs me how Republicans are criticized for only caring about the rich, when celebrity Democrats live more extravagantly than anybody. I don't see them giving up any of their luxuries. It's not like they need three gas guzzling SUVs. ;)
Well, I guess that would make Governer Gropenfuhrer the biggest hypocrite of all with his three Hummers.
amber
10-30-2004, 12:39 AM
Well, I guess that would make Governer Gropenfuhrer the biggest hypocrite of all with his three Hummers.
Tip of the Iceberg...I'm so embarrassed for my state right now...
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 09:37 AM
Well, I guess that would make Governer Gropenfuhrer the biggest hypocrite of all with his three Hummers.
Sure it makes him a hypocrite. Just pointing out the Democrats are hypocrites, too.
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 09:39 AM
Tip of the Iceberg...I'm so embarrassed for my state right now...
I like Arnold. He's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-stem cell research. Aren't these the issues Republicans are always getting slammed for?
Last I heard his approval rating was over 60%, which is quite good. I know California ain't 60% Republican, so some people must think he's doing a good job at least. :shrug:
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 09:45 AM
I think living extravagently with your own money, is different than voting for policies that enable the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer. about the SUV's, yeah. but rich repubs already have enough money, yet they still vote to help themselves get and keep more. IMO
I know what you're saying, Amber, but I hear the "Republicans are greedy" line so much. Who's greedier than movie stars making millions per picture? Hell, look at Fleetwood Mac. They may all be liberals, but they are as corporate and greedy as they get. Look at their ticket prices. Look at their ridiculous fan club costs. I wonder how much it costs for Stevie to keep the air conditioning on constantly, while she keeps her fireplace going. Just sort of hypocritical in my opinion.
ShangriLaTroubl
10-30-2004, 10:52 AM
I like Arnold. He's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-stem cell research. Aren't these the issues Republicans are always getting slammed for?
Last I heard his approval rating was over 60%, which is quite good. I know California ain't 60% Republican, so some people must think he's doing a good job at least. :shrug:
It is odd..they didnt elect him because he was a republican tho...I think it was because they knew he could win, and they didnt like Gray Davis. Kerry is ahead in Calif. by about 10 pts on average Gore won Calif 53.4% to Bush 41.7%
Chris
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 12:47 PM
It is odd..they didnt elect him because he was a republican tho...I think it was because they knew he could win, and they didnt like Gray Davis. Kerry is ahead in Calif. by about 10 pts on average Gore won Calif 53.4% to Bush 41.7%
Chris
Well, I think his celebrity helped him get elected the most. I think he has some common sense ideas, and I bet many Californians agree with me. I think most Americans are willing to cross party lines for the right candidate. I think that's good. :)
gldstwmn
10-30-2004, 12:50 PM
I like Arnold. He's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-stem cell research. Aren't these the issues Republicans are always getting slammed for?
Yet he's out on the stump for Bush who is for none of those things.
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 12:56 PM
Yet he's out on the stump for Bush who is for none of those things.
Actually, I think Arnold's being very careful about how much "stumping" he's doing for Bush. He knows too much would be political suicide for him in California.
And I know you don't think every politician who stumps for another always share views, do you? :)
amber
10-30-2004, 03:08 PM
I know what you're saying, Amber, but I hear the "Republicans are greedy" line so much. Who's greedier than movie stars making millions per picture? Hell, look at Fleetwood Mac. They may all be liberals, but they are as corporate and greedy as they get. Look at their ticket prices. Look at their ridiculous fan club costs. I wonder how much it costs for Stevie to keep the air conditioning on constantly, while she keeps her fireplace going. Just sort of hypocritical in my opinion.
It's not republicans are greedy, it's the farther reaching thing that - Republicans vote for policy leaders who will purposely widen the gap between rich and poor. For everyone. In the country. Or in the state. I don't think either a single democrat, or a single repub, is greedier than each other. The fact is, Republican candidates will try to implement policies that help the few, the already wealthy, and the children of the already wealthy. And rarely even attempt to protect the environment, if some corporation could make money off of not protecting it. I wasn't speaking of individual people being greedy. I was speaking of overall econimic/etc. policy
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 03:24 PM
It's not republicans are greedy, it's the farther reaching thing that - Republicans vote for policy leaders who will purposely widen the gap between rich and poor. For everyone. In the country. Or in the state. I don't think either a single democrat, or a single repub, is greedier than each other. The fact is, Republican candidates will try to implement policies that help the few, the already wealthy, and the children of the already wealthy. And rarely even attempt to protect the environment, if some corporation could make money off of not protecting it. I wasn't speaking of individual people being greedy. I was speaking of overall econimic/etc. policy
You are 100% right on the environment. Republican policies suck at protecting it. (Though I bet a majority of Republicans would say they're environmentalists.)
The rest I disagree with, but I'm sure you knew that. ;)
amber
10-30-2004, 03:45 PM
You are 100% right on the environment. Republican policies suck at protecting it. (Though I bet a majority of Republicans would say they're environmentalists.)
The rest I disagree with, but I'm sure you knew that. ;)
Ah, you mean my logical argument didn't change your entire political affiliation??? :rolleyes: :laugh: :wavey:
Amber
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 03:52 PM
Ah, you mean my logical argument didn't change your entire political affiliation??? :rolleyes: :laugh: :wavey:
Amber
You were pretty close, though. :lol: :wavey:
I do admit to leaning more independent nowdays.
amber
10-30-2004, 03:59 PM
You were pretty close, though. :lol: :wavey:
I do admit to leaning more independent nowdays.
heheh :) well, what're gonna do? :laugh:
gldstwmn
10-30-2004, 05:05 PM
And I know you don't think every politician who stumps for another always share views, do you? :)
Were you referring to anyone specific? Or are you just an apologist/enabler for the Gropenator/Giuliani types of the hateful Republican party?
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 06:28 PM
Were you referring to anyone specific? Or are you just an apologist/enabler for the Gropenator/Giuliani types of the hateful Republican party?
Not quite sure what you mean about the Gropenator/Giuliani comment. I don't understand why Democrats hate them. Those on the left are always complaining how radically right the Republicans have gone. Then the moderates get blasted too. You'd think Democrats would want more moderates in there. What gives?
Also, as far as calling me an apologist/enabler, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I cannot remember a time when you criticized the Democratic party (except maybe Zell Miller) or Kerry. At least I have admitted there are wrongdoings in both parties.
And for the specifics, let's see. Clinton's been campaigning for Kerry. He supports the death penalty; Kerry does not. Clinton signed the DOMA into law, which Kerry voted against.
gldstwmn
10-30-2004, 08:04 PM
Not quite sure what you mean about the Gropenator/Giuliani comment. I don't understand why Democrats hate them. Those on the left are always complaining how radically right the Republicans have gone. Then the moderates get blasted too. You'd think Democrats would want more moderates in there. What gives?
Also, as far as calling me an apologist/enabler, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I cannot remember a time when you criticized the Democratic party (except maybe Zell Miller) or Kerry. At least I have admitted there are wrongdoings in both parties.
And for the specifics, let's see. Clinton's been campaigning for Kerry. He supports the death penalty; Kerry does not. Clinton signed the DOMA into law, which Kerry voted against.
I make no apologies for the Democrats. :laugh: I see you just couldn't wait to bring up the Clenis.
We're supposed to like people like Giuliani and Schwarzenneger becuase they're a little less hateful than the rest of their party?
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 08:15 PM
I make no apologies for the Democrats. :laugh: I see you just couldn't wait to bring up the Clenis.
We're supposed to like people like Giuliani and Schwarzenneger becuase they're a little less hateful than the rest of their party?
You asked for an example. :angel:
Who said you had to like Ahnuld or Rudy? My point was, I thought it would be a good thing to if you the Republicans had more moderates. If it's not, fine. I thought you might at least respect them for standing up to the religious right in the party.
gldstwmn
10-30-2004, 08:38 PM
You asked for an example. :angel:
Who said you had to like Ahnuld or Rudy? My point was, I thought it would be a good thing to if you the Republicans had more moderates. If it's not, fine. I thought you might at least respect them for standing up to the religious right in the party.
Lincoln Chaffee is a moderate old school Republican. Giuliani and Schwarzenegger ar slime. :cool:
GypsySorcerer
10-30-2004, 08:42 PM
Lincoln Chaffee is a moderate old school Republican. Giuliani and Schwarzenegger ar slime. :cool:
Okay. I'll take it. :) :wavey:
gldstwmn
10-30-2004, 08:46 PM
Okay. I'll take it. :) :wavey:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
dissention
10-30-2004, 10:45 PM
I know what you're saying, Amber, but I hear the "Republicans are greedy" line so much. Who's greedier than movie stars making millions per picture? Hell, look at Fleetwood Mac. They may all be liberals, but they are as corporate and greedy as they get. Look at their ticket prices. Look at their ridiculous fan club costs. I wonder how much it costs for Stevie to keep the air conditioning on constantly, while she keeps her fireplace going. Just sort of hypocritical in my opinion.
The flaw of your argument is that those in Hollywood aren't the greedy policymakers, the Republicans are. :wavey:
Belladreamer
10-30-2004, 10:47 PM
I live in Ohio and we are in trouble! Many many jobs lost. It is very bad. Bush needs to go or we are in real trouble for four more years. The worst part is why many here agree we are in sad shape due to Bush's policies they are still going to vote for him. They say it the moral issues he states for even if the war and economy are bad and getting worst. Most see Bush as a savoir with the abortion issue but will stand by and let our soliders get killed every day and that is OK? I don't understand how?
I am afraid Bush will win Ohio.
That is very bad for Kerry in winning the big prize.
Four more year of trouble here we come :mad:
GypsySorcerer
10-31-2004, 02:19 PM
The flaw of your argument is that those in Hollywood aren't the greedy policymakers, the Republicans are. :wavey:
Fair enough, I guess, depending on one's perspective. Nevertheless, most celebrities ain't practicing what the Democratic Party's preaching. :wavey:
GateandGarden
10-31-2004, 03:24 PM
And for the specifics, let's see. Clinton's been campaigning for Kerry. He supports the death penalty; Kerry does not. Clinton signed the DOMA into law, which Kerry voted against.Whoa. I just read this. (Late, I know). Kerry opposes the death penalty? This is news to me. I had no idea. This would make him seem 200% better to me, but I don't think he can do anything about it. Just because he opposes it doesn't mean this country's going to abolish it anytime soon. But I had no idea he opposed it. Is this common knowledge?
Hillary
heyjupiter678
10-31-2004, 04:06 PM
Whoa. I just read this. (Late, I know). Kerry opposes the death penalty? This is news to me. I had no idea. This would make him seem 200% better to me, but I don't think he can do anything about it. Just because he opposes it doesn't mean this country's going to abolish it anytime soon. But I had no idea he opposed it. Is this common knowledge?
I don't know if it's common knowledge. :shrug:
An article from the Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040328-115812-7206r.htm
GateandGarden
10-31-2004, 04:32 PM
Thanks for that article! I don't know how accurate this is, but it's encouraging-- "There are 30 percent of Americans who are absolutely against the death penalty for any reason," said Josh Noble, coordinator of Students Against the Death Penalty Project, part of the American Civil Liberties Union. "It should not be seen as a radical position." I thought the numbers would be much smaller than that. Maybe I'm not a radical liberal like dissention. :laugh: Aw.
But seriously, I see this as another reason to vote for John Kerry. I imagine he at least wouldn't support executing retarded people like Bush has.
Hillary
GypsySorcerer
10-31-2004, 04:53 PM
Whoa. I just read this. (Late, I know). Kerry opposes the death penalty? This is news to me. I had no idea. This would make him seem 200% better to me, but I don't think he can do anything about it. Just because he opposes it doesn't mean this country's going to abolish it anytime soon. But I had no idea he opposed it. Is this common knowledge?
Hillary
I don't think it will be abolished soon, but if Kerry is elected, the issue might be on the frontburner again. We hadn't heard much about it in recent presidential campaigns because the candidates were generally in favor of it.
gldstwmn
10-31-2004, 05:01 PM
I live in Ohio and we are in trouble! Many many jobs lost. It is very bad. Bush needs to go or we are in real trouble for four more years. The worst part is why many here agree we are in sad shape due to Bush's policies they are still going to vote for him. They say it the moral issues he states for even if the war and economy are bad and getting worst. Most see Bush as a savoir with the abortion issue but will stand by and let our soliders get killed every day and that is OK? I don't understand how?
I am afraid Bush will win Ohio.
That is very bad for Kerry in winning the big prize.
Four more year of trouble here we come :mad:
Now, now. Don't fret. Kerry is going to bring in Ohio for us, you just wait and see. ;)
ontheEdgeof17
10-31-2004, 05:18 PM
I dont want to be a jinx....
......but The Redskins lost today.... Let's hope the tradition continues on Tuesday.
-Curt
gldstwmn
10-31-2004, 05:27 PM
I dont want to be a jinx....
......but The Redskins lost today.... Let's hope the tradition continues on Tuesday.
-Curt
I heard. :thumbsup:
dontlookdown
11-01-2004, 01:56 PM
I work with the West LA Democratic Club and have been doing precinct walking this past week to Get Out The Vote. I can assure you that all current members of Fleetwood Mac who are US citizens and their spouses will be supporting John Kerry tommorow like nobody's business.
But so will the majority of voters across the country so it's really no surprise...
No need to worry. This band is as solidly liberal as it always has been. The only change is that John is now in the Kerry camp - but he's not eligible to vote. His wife will do the voting for the McVie family.
By an overwhelming majority, voters with a college education are supporting Kerry. Stop biting your nails everyone and rejoice in us all taking our country back tomorrow!
gldstwmn
11-01-2004, 02:24 PM
I work with the West LA Democratic Club and have been doing precinct walking this past week to Get Out The Vote. I can assure you that all current members of Fleetwood Mac who are US citizens and their spouses will be supporting John Kerry tommorow like nobody's business.
But so will the majority of voters across the country so it's really no surprise...
No need to worry. This band is as solidly liberal as it always has been. The only change is that John is now in the Kerry camp - but he's not eligible to vote. His wife will do the voting for the McVie family.
By an overwhelming majority, voters with a college education are supporting Kerry. Stop biting your nails everyone and rejoice in us all taking our country back tomorrow!
Sweeeeeet! :angel:
ShangriLaTroubl
11-01-2004, 03:27 PM
No need to worry. This band is as solidly liberal as it always has been. The only change is that John is now in the Kerry camp - but he's not eligible to vote. His wife will do the voting for the McVie family.
Why is John not eligible...he says hes a US citizen
Chris
golddustdragon
11-02-2004, 11:11 PM
Wow, it's so cool that dontlookdown knows all that info about the bandmember's political leanings. I think John still could have voted. They should have given him some sort of provisional ballot, right? If he still couldn't vote, that sucks. Looks like he sort of lied about that Kerry sticker.
HollywoodSteve
11-02-2004, 11:22 PM
What about Stevie's parents in Arizona? Do they still identify with the Republican party? If so that will be yet another thing Stevie and I have in common... Democratic Los Angeles transplant from Phoenix with Republican parents voting for Bush in Arizona! Oy!
gldstwmn
11-02-2004, 11:30 PM
Wow, it's so cool that dontlookdown knows all that info about the bandmember's political leanings. I think John still could have voted. They should have given him some sort of provisional ballot, right? If he still couldn't vote, that sucks. Looks like he sort of lied about that Kerry sticker.
No. Lot's of people are uncomfortable about revealing who they vote for. All he said was the sticker was no longer there. :shrug:
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