Third Debate

[strandinthewind]

Comments?

I was too nervous and could not watch it. I did while flipping through the channels, however, see in a split screen W smirking at Kerry while Kerry was making a point - what a pious jerk.

[Dreammms]

Comments?

I was too nervous and could not watch it. I did while flipping through the channels, however, see in a split screen W smirking at Kerry while Kerry was making a point - what a pious jerk.

Bush was very annoying! I think Kerry did a great job. Tonight made me like him even more.

[Merf]

I'm a Kerry supporter and will definitely be voting for Kerry, but I would not say that Kerry won the debate tonight. I think it was a draw. Just my opinion.

Both sides will spin it however they want, of course. I cannot WAIT for this election to be over. :rolleyes:

[Dreammms]

Did anyone notice the white crap on the side of W's mouth?

[strandinthewind]

Did anyone notice the white crap on the side of W's mouth?

it was semen :eek:

sorry - sucker punch - but I despise him :laugh:

[Dreammms]

it was semen :eek:

sorry - sucker punch - but I despise him :laugh:

lololol

who was the unlucky guy?

[strandinthewind]

CNN reports an instant polling of viewers has Kerry at 52 and W and 39 (I think those are accurate) - also these numbers were similar to the first debate, which all agree Kerry won!!!!!!!!

[strandinthewind]

www.foxnews.com has Kery winning it by 65% TO w'S 35% - this is a non scientific instant poll and will change as time goes on and more people vote. But still . . . on Fox News :eek:

[DeeGeMe]

And Gallop tends to screw towards Repugs, not Democrats.

The answer to every question for Shrub seemed to be "No Child Left Behind." No matter what the question-he only wanted to talk about Education! Jesus-what a moron!

[strandinthewind]

And Gallop tends to screw towards Repugs, not Democrats.

The answer to every question for Shrub seemed to be "No Child Left Behind." No matter what the question-he only wanted to talk about Education! Jesus-what a moron!

Well, the education stuff is a success when compared to EVERY other issue. I mean the health care is a travesty, the millions of jobs promised have never appeared, etc. So, . . . the education stuff, which is not really a sucess, is all he has to hang his hat on. AND - Kerry totally called him on it.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

George Bush skirted around every issue presented at him. Instead of ADDRESSING Affirmative action and telling viewers his views, he like you said, went back to education and said "i think we need to educate people more."

And yes I TOO noticed the white in the corner of his mouth that NEVER went away...I think it was a good debate--I'm sure both candidates satisfied their bases, but I think the few undecided voters left saw or should have seen Kerry's stance on the issues affecting us all. He was straightforward in his answers about gay rights, and medical issues...It seems to me that Bush will contradict and say any number that is presented at him that disagrees with him is just FALSE

Chris

[GateandGarden]

I have absolutely no idea what's going on in this regard and can't be of much help. I did hear about some "you forgot Poland" remark however.

You forgot Poland (http://www.youforgotpoland.com/)

I particularly like the line of Presidents and their famous statements.Oh my God!!! Thank you so much for posting that site! Now I have to get my own "You Forgot Poland" ringer shirt! That was hilarious!

Anyway, could Bush have done more of an evil cackle?
"Bait and switch. Heh heh."

Hillary

[GypsySorcerer]

I think this was Bush's best performance and Kerry's worst to be honest. Kerry's best was the first debate. I don't think it matters anyway, since most people had their minds made up a long time ago.


I can't wait until this is over. These campaigns have been quite dirty, on both sides.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I can't wait until this is over. These campaign has been quite dirty, on both sides.

I agree I hope it's over on Nov 3. Not carried out for months.. Although I also hope it's fair. And seeing things coming up in the news, it isnt looking like its on the fair side yet...We will see....But I really want this campaign to be over, it really unfortunately causes me to have ill feelings to everyone who disagrees with me...And I know thats not right, but i cant help it!

Chris

[GateandGarden]

....But I really want this campaign to be over, it really unfortunately causes me to have ill feelings to everyone who disagrees with me...And I know thats not right, but i cant help it!

ChrisI'm having that same problem. I think I'll be a nicer person once this is all over. I walk down the street and think to myself, Just counted four people who would be happy if I were never allowed to get married, and I have to get a grip at some point and think about other things.

Hillary

[diamondsnake]

I'm having that same problem. I think I'll be a nicer person once this is all over. I walk down the street and think to myself, Just counted four people who would be happy if I were never allowed to get married, and I have to get a grip at some point and think about other things.

Hillary
Who cares if you are legally married or not? If you and your partner had a commitment ceremony (even if it wasn't recognized by the state) and considered yourself married that would be enough for me to consider you two a married couple. Sign a living will so you can visit each other in the hospital if anything happens and viola you are as good as wife and wife.

I don't think it truely matters if you have a marriage certificate or not. It is just a piece of paper. It is what matters on the inside that counts. If someone is the love of your life, your soul mate, if you will then that is all that counts.

[takenbythesky]

Who cares if you are legally married or not? If you and your partner had a commitment ceremony (even if it wasn't recognized by the state) and considered yourself married that would be enough for me to consider you two a married couple. Sign a living will so you can visit each other in the hospital if anything happens and viola you are as good as wife and wife.

I don't think it truely matters if you have a marriage certificate or not. It is just a piece of paper. It is what matters on the inside that counts. If someone is the love of your life, your soul mate, if you will then that is all that counts.

The problem with "just" having an unofficial ceremony is the legal rights. My uncle died eight years ago from AIDS, and his partner had NO control over his estate. When a gay person is ill, their spouse has difficulty seeing them in the hospital when they are ill and helping to make medical decisions. Even though the spouse may have been the equivalent of a husband or wife. Gay couples deserve every bit as much respect as straight couples.

[amber]

Who cares if you are legally married or not? If you and your partner had a commitment ceremony (even if it wasn't recognized by the state) and considered yourself married that would be enough for me to consider you two a married couple. Sign a living will so you can visit each other in the hospital if anything happens and viola you are as good as wife and wife.

I don't think it truely matters if you have a marriage certificate or not. It is just a piece of paper. It is what matters on the inside that counts. If someone is the love of your life, your soul mate, if you will then that is all that counts.
Yeah, but they can't get married stuff, like benefits and tax things and stuff. I mean, of course it wouldn't matter much without these factors, but hetero married people get benefits for being married, which she would not be able to get - therefore, that means that everything is not equal under the law right now...

[estranged4life]

due to the ALCS/NLCS playoffs...But I take it that the burning Shrub got smoked yet again? If so I didnt miss much (Besides I watched the only debate that interested me this past weekend...And I now have my candidate thanks to the Independent debate)

Brian j.

[gldstwmn]

Did anyone notice the white crap on the side of W's mouth?

Yes. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

And Gallop tends to screw towards Repugs, not Democrats.

The answer to every question for Shrub seemed to be "No Child Left Behind." No matter what the question-he only wanted to talk about Education! Jesus-what a moron!

Yep. He basically told all the engineers whose jobs have been outsourced that they didn't have enough education...that goes for working single mothers as well. Not everyone can grease their way into Yale and Harvard, ya know? He's an imbecile.

[gldstwmn]

Anyone catch the catfight between Joe Scarborough and Kathy Griffin? Whew! :eek: That was the most agitated I have ever seen him. Apparently the word "lesbian" sets him right off. Jesus!

[gldstwmn]

...Ledgies seem to be very liberal. What a shock. :rolleyes:

Is that a problem? :shrug:

[takenbythesky]

Is that a problem? :shrug:

NO NO NO NO. I just now realize that comment came off that way. Augh. I'm kicking myself. What I meant was that I was not shocked that many of the people who are FM fans are liberal. I think it's great that there are so many liberal Ledgies. I'm liberal.

[Vianna]

Bush is not good in a situation where he has to come up with answers-he needs his speechwriters=:-) Did you see him keep looking at his notes, like he had no idea what he wanted to say? Kerry has grace and poise...

It ticked me off how Bush kept bringing up Kerry's voting record-Bush has no record, he was never in Congress. It would be interesting to know what HE would have done...

[Jen77]

The answer to every question for Shrub seemed to be "No Child Left Behind." No matter what the question-he only wanted to talk about Education! Jesus-what a moron!

:nod: I agree!

[GateandGarden]

I was very annoyed that neither one of them seemed to be too keen on actually answering questions, Bush in particular. (Or at least that was my interpretation). As y'all already said, he had this habit of answering every question about education, whether the question pertained to it or not, but I really noticed that neither one of them really said anything specific when asked about affirmative action. Is it just me or did they not even really address that issue? I guess Kerry was trying to say that affirmative action is still necessary, but I think he was a bit vague. Bush--I don't think he even breathed the words "affirmative action" in his answer.

I just happened to see some of the comments broadcasted on FOX news after the debate, and a couple of guys (sorry that I have no idea who they were) were saying that it was beyond low for both Kerry and Edwards to bring up Cheney's lesbian daughter in the debates. But they failed to explain why that was so low. Is it so awful that it should go unmentioned? God forbid they point out the extremely obvious contradiction there, that Cheney actually claims to fully support his daughter.

Hillary

[gldstwmn]

NO NO NO NO. I just now realize that comment came off that way. Augh. I'm kicking myself. What I meant was that I was not shocked that many of the people who are FM fans are liberal. I think it's great that there are so many liberal Ledgies. I'm liberal.

Thank you. :angel: I am sick of people acting like liberal is a dirty word. :distress:

[strandinthewind]

Yea - the R's are trying to spin in so that any mention of Cheney's lesbo daughter is some kind of violation. I think both did it respectfully AND Cheney opened the door with it when he brought it up a few weeks ago.

To me, it is like the Cheney's are so embarrassed by it socially and politically that Dick actually gets somber when talking about it - sort of like people whisper when they say "black people" or some other, in their heads, socially taboo topic.

As for Lynn Cheney - I think she is a rabid bitch and I cannot stand her. She attacked a Cokie Roberts in 2000 for asking about the gay daughter here

http://www.progressive.org/mpvdmk00.htm - here is an excerpt:
_______________________________________________

Dick Cheney's wife, Lynn, tried furiously to make the issue go away during a July 30 appearance on ABC's "This Week." When Cokie Roberts attempted to ask about the "daughter who has now declared she is openly gay," Cheney didn't even let her finish the question.

"Mary has never declared such a thing," Lynn Cheney snapped. "I have two wonderful daughters. I love them very much. They are bright. They are hard working. They are decent. And I simply am not going to talk about their personal lives. And I'm surprised, Cokie, that even you would want to bring it up."
_______________________________________________

Interestingly, Mary Cheney had a job working for the Coors Brewing Company's liaison to the gay community and in June 1999, Mary Cheney told the lesbian magazine Girlfriends, "The reason I came to work here is because I knew several other lesbians who were very happy here." She has regularly made similar public statements.

So much for Lynn Cheney's venomous lies

and, now that harpy said this about Kerry last night:

Lynne Cheney accused Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry of pulling a “cheap and tawdry political trick,” apparently for invoking her daughter’s sexuality in his debate with President Bush.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6245927/

There are few people I's like to just smack the hell out of and she is high on the short list :mad: :rolleyes:

[cliffdweller]

Yep. He basically told all the engineers whose jobs have been outsourced that they didn't have enough education...that goes for working single mothers as well. Not everyone can grease their way into Yale and Harvard, ya know? He's an imbecile.

Exactly! :laugh:

Send 'em all to community college! That'll fix the problem! :]

[dissention]

Comments?

I was too nervous and could not watch it. I did while flipping through the channels, however, see in a split screen W smirking at Kerry while Kerry was making a point - what a pious jerk.

He killed Bush. 52% said that Kerry won in one of the latest polls. 60% say they're now Kerry fans. ;)

[dissention]

www.foxnews.com has Kery winning it by 65% TO w'S 35% - this is a non scientific instant poll and will change as time goes on and more people vote. But still . . . on Fox News :eek:

We're getting some good news out of Faux lately. O'Lielly is being sued and 65% said Kerry won in their poll. :laugh:

[dissention]

It is my understanding that the assault weapons ban did little to reduce crime, and in fact, a very low percentage of crimes are committed with assault weapons.

That's utterly false. Stop reading the Wall Street Journal.

[dissention]

Thank you. :angel: I am sick of people acting like liberal is a dirty word. :distress:

Or Massachusetts. I swear, people drip with hate when they say that name. They must be jealous that we have the best educational institutions and one of the highest per capita income averages. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

That's utterly false. Stop reading the Wall Street Journal.

Well, it is not just that one:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040816-114754-1427r.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba102.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/12/gun.ban.ap/

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/


Note: I think the ban, though as mentioned in the articles above, rather ineffective and clearly imperfect, should been kept in place. But, payback to the right is hell.

[GateandGarden]

There are few people I's like to just smack the hell out of and she is high on the short list :mad: :rolleyes:Did y'all know that Lynn Cheney actually wrote a lesbian romance novel? I read an article about it a few months ago--sorry I don't have proof on me. I know it's hard to believe. But the book is out of print and the company wanted to bring it back (probably because of the issue of gay marriage), but Cheney didn't want it back in print because she said it wasn't one of her best works. :rolleyes:

Hillary

[dissention]

Did y'all know that Lynn Cheney actually wrote a lesbian romance novel? I read an article about it a few months ago--sorry I don't have proof on me. I know it's hard to believe. But the book is out of print and the company wanted to bring it back (probably because of the issue of gay marriage), but Cheney didn't want it back in print because she said it wasn't one of her best works. :rolleyes:

Hillary

SISTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've posted excerpts and everything from that slutty novel, I even own it. :D Shall I post some good parts? :angel:

[dissention]

Well, it is not just that one:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040816-114754-1427r.htm

http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba102.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/12/gun.ban.ap/

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/


Note: I think the ban, though as mentioned in the articles above, rather ineffective and clearly imperfect, should been kept in place. But, payback to the right is hell.

Those links simply spout more bull****. Where those studies go wrong is by saying "violent crimes." In reality, assault weapons are not used in "less than one percent of all violent crimes," they are used in less than one percent of gun crimes. That's an incredible difference.

There's an incredible chapter on it in Franken's last book and it details how the ban helped lower those types of crime by 50%.

[GypsySorcerer]

That's utterly false. Stop reading the Wall Street Journal.


No need to get snippy, dear. In fact, I thought I'd see you in a better mood after all these debates. ;)

[dissention]

No need to get snippy, dear. In fact, I thought I'd see you in a better mood after all these debates. ;)

:laugh:

I know, Kerry whipped Bush's ass. But don't take it from me, just read the poll numbers. :p

[GypsySorcerer]

:laugh:

I know, Kerry whipped Bush's ass. But don't take it from me, just read the poll numbers. :p

And last night was Bush's best performance. :shocked: He was able to halfway keep up with Gore, but clearly cannot with Kerry.

[gldstwmn]

Well, it is not just that one:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040816-114754-1427r.htm



The Washington Times? Don't you mean the Moonie Times? It's owned by the Reverand Moon. Nope. :distress:

[strandinthewind]

Those links simply spout more bull****. Where those studies go wrong is by saying "violent crimes." In reality, assault weapons are not used in "less than one percent of all violent crimes," they are used in less than one percent of gun crimes. That's an incredible difference.

There's an incredible chapter on it in Franken's last book and it details how the ban helped lower those types of crime by 50%.

I know that - but I am just saying many experts disagree with you, blah blah
blah - again, I think the ban should have stayed in place.

[gldstwmn]

Did y'all know that Lynn Cheney actually wrote a lesbian romance novel? I read an article about it a few months ago--sorry I don't have proof on me. I know it's hard to believe. But the book is out of print and the company wanted to bring it back (probably because of the issue of gay marriage), but Cheney didn't want it back in print because she said it wasn't one of her best works. :rolleyes:

Hillary

It's called Sisters and they read excerpts of it on Air America from time to time along with Dild O'Reilly's soft porn book. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

The Washington Times? Don't you mean the Moonie Times? It's owned by the Reverand Moon. Nope. :distress:

Bless his heart :laugh:

[DeeGeMe]

SISTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've posted excerpts and everything from that slutty novel, I even own it. :D Shall I post some good parts? :angel:

Oh please God, NO. Save us. I've heard all I need to hear about it from them reading excerpts on Air America.

BTW--do you know how much that fine work of "art" sells for on Ebay???

[dissention]

The Washington Times? Don't you mean the Moonie Times? It's owned by the Reverand Moon. Nope. :distress:

OMG, I thought he had posted from the Post.

How dare you, Jason?! :laugh:

[dissention]

Oh please God, NO. Save us. I've heard all I need to hear about it from them reading excerpts on Air America.

BTW--do you know how much that fine work of "art" sells for on Ebay???

Haven't seen it on Ebay, but I got mine from a used bookstore in Canada last year for 50 cents, I think. :laugh:

[dissention]

along with Dild O'Reilly's soft porn book. :laugh:

"Then he slipped her panties down her leg and, within seconds, his tongue..."

"...erogenous zone..."

:laugh: That was hysterical.

[amber]

"Then he slipped her panties down her leg and, within seconds, his tongue..."

"...erogenous zone..."

:laugh: That was hysterical.
:laugh: :laugh: He said "erogenous zone"?! :laugh: When do we get more clips from Cheney's book? those are great.... :p

[GateandGarden]

SISTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've posted excerpts and everything from that slutty novel, I even own it. :D Shall I post some good parts? :angel: :eek: Oh my God! You have to post some stuff! You should make a thread just for that! (Or is there already one and I haven't seen it?)

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

It's called Sisters and they read excerpts of it on Air America from time to time along with Dild O'Reilly's soft porn book. :laugh:I'm going to have to check that out. :nod:

Hillary

[dissention]

:eek: Oh my God! You have to post some stuff! You should make a thread just for that! (Or is there already one and I haven't seen it?)

Hillary

"How well her words describe our love—or the way it would be if we could remove all impediments, leave this place and join together. Then our union would be complete. Our lives would flow together, twin streams merging into a single river."

"Being ruggedly masculine myself, I was touched to see that my mother does in fact understand the latent burning desires in every woman to discard phallic worship and enjoy the tenderness that only another woman can offer."

:wavey: :xoxo:

[dissention]

More:

"Let us go away together, away from the anger and imperatives of men. We shall find ourselves a secluded power where they dare not venture. There will only be the two of us and we'll linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement. In the evenings, I shall read to you while you work your cross-stitch in the firelight. And then, we will go to bed, our bed, my dearest girl."

[dissention]

Even more:

"The women who embraced in the wagon were Adam and Eve, crossing a dark cathedral stage. No, Eve and Eve, loving one another as they would not be able to once they ate of the fruit and knew themselves as they truly were. She felt curiously moved, curiously envious of them. She had never until this moment thought that Eden was a particularly attractive paradise, based on it was of naivete, but she saw that the women in the cart had a passionate, loving intimacy forever closed to her. How strong it made them. What comfort it gave."

"The young woman was heavily powdered, but quite attractive. A curvesome creature, rounded at breast and cheek. When she smiled, even her teeth seemed puffed and rounded like tiny ivory pillows."

[gldstwmn]

"How well her words describe our love—or the way it would be if we could remove all impediments, leave this place and join together. Then our union would be complete. Our lives would flow together, twin streams merging into a single river."

"Being ruggedly masculine myself, I was touched to see that my mother does in fact understand the latent burning desires in every woman to discard phallic worship and enjoy the tenderness that only another woman can offer."

:wavey: :xoxo:


Falls off chair... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

you're awesome, diss :xoxo:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "being ruggedly masculine myself..."

[Dreammms]

Even more:

"The women who embraced in the wagon were Adam and Eve, crossing a dark cathedral stage. No, Eve and Eve, loving one another as they would not be able to once they ate of the fruit and knew themselves as they truly were. She felt curiously moved, curiously envious of them. She had never until this moment thought that Eden was a particularly attractive paradise, based on it was of naivete, but she saw that the women in the cart had a passionate, loving intimacy forever closed to her. How strong it made them. What comfort it gave."

"The young woman was heavily powdered, but quite attractive. A curvesome creature, rounded at breast and cheek. When she smiled, even her teeth seemed puffed and rounded like tiny ivory pillows."

Thank you so much for posting this crap. It cracking me up :laugh:

[dissention]

Yes, throw down that phallic worship, ladies, and indulge in the pleasures that only another tender woman can provide. :p

[amber]

Yes, throw down that phallic worship, ladies, and indulge in the pleasures that only another tender woman can provide. :p
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: stop! stop!

[DeeGeMe]

Haven't seen it on Ebay, but I got mine from a used bookstore in Canada last year for 50 cents, I think. :laugh:

Major score Diss! Check out Amazon--it's available "new and used" FROM $500.00!!!!!

[DeeGeMe]

Yes, throw down that phallic worship, ladies, and indulge in the pleasures that only another tender woman can provide. :p

Ah--the love that dare not speak its name. . . .
And the awful purple prose of a woman who things John Kerry is a bad man for calling her daughter a lesbian but seems to not have any problems with her husband sending young men and women off to die in another country for oil and to enrich her husband's former (?) company. Yeah, that's compassionate conservities in action!

[amber]

Ah--the love that dare not speak its name. . . .
And the awful purple prose of a woman who things John Kerry is a bad man for calling her daughter a lesbian but seems to not have any problems with her husband sending young men and women off to die in another country for oil and to enrich her husband's former (?) company. Yeah, that's compassionate conservities in action!
But seriously, if Lynn Cheney's gonna get all rabid when asked about her daughter, why write a lesbian novel? I know she wrote it awhile back, but still...there's something i'm not getting here. :confused:

[estranged4life]

And the awful purple prose of a woman who thinks John Kerry is a bad man for calling her daughter a lesbian but seems to not have any problems with her husband sending young men and women off to die in another country for oil and to enrich her husband's former (?) company. Yeah, that's compassionate conservities in action!

the news outlets around this part of country have CONTINUALLY talked about since 'that' debate ended (Oh I forgot about the press' fascination with Bill O'Really's self-acclaimed phone sex ability)...Who cares what Kerry said? Didnt offend me what-so-ever.

There's alot more in this world that offends me than words from a presidential candidate.

Brian "2 Minutes to Midnight" j.

[gldstwmn]

Ah--the love that dare not speak its name. . . .
And the awful purple prose of a woman who things John Kerry is a bad man for calling her daughter a lesbian but seems to not have any problems with her husband sending young men and women off to die in another country for oil and to enrich her husband's former (?) company.

Deferred compensation. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

the news outlets around this part of country have CONTINUALLY talked about since 'that' debate ended (Oh I forgot about the press' fascination with Bill O'Really's self-acclaimed phone sex ability)...Who cares what Kerry said? Didnt offend me what-so-ever.

.

All he said was "lesbian". :shrug: The way Joe Scarborugh reacted you'd have thought someone had been murdered. :p
Seriously though, he was so agitated last night it was frightening.

[estranged4life]

All he said was "lesbian". :shrug: The way Joe Scarborugh reacted you'd have thought someone had been murdered. :p
Seriously though, he was so agitated last night it was frightening.

Unlike the press I don't see what the big fuss is about the word "lesbian"...

As for being agitated, I am starting to become that way with the continual bad campaigning from both parties here in my home state...BOTH parties need to focus on the issues instead of the personal attacks.

Brian j.

[dissention]

All he said was "lesbian". :shrug: The way Joe Scarborugh reacted you'd have thought someone had been murdered. :p
Seriously though, he was so agitated last night it was frightening.

Remember at the RNC when someone screamed "Where's justice for Laurie?!" at him on Hardball? :laugh:

[Serrart]

"How well her words describe our love—or the way it would be if we could remove all impediments, leave this place and join together. Then our union would be complete. Our lives would flow together, twin streams merging into a single river."

"Being ruggedly masculine myself, I was touched to see that my mother does in fact understand the latent burning desires in every woman to discard phallic worship and enjoy the tenderness that only another woman can offer."

:wavey: :xoxo:

Great talent... but she paid to see this published, right? ;)

Romy

[gldstwmn]

Unlike the press I don't see what the big fuss is about the word "lesbian"...

As for being agitated, I am starting to become that way with the continual bad campaigning from both parties here in my home state...BOTH parties need to focus on the issues instead of the personal attacks.

Brian j.

Dude, what is up with Brad Carlson? :confused:

[strandinthewind]

OMG, I thought he had posted from the Post.

How dare you, Jason?! :laugh:


Hello

SATIRE

:cool:

[estranged4life]

Dude, what is up with Brad Carlson? :confused:

it isnt Brad Carson who is getting on my nerves (Btw he is still leading in the polls), But some of those non-Oklahoma hardcore Demos who are supporting his bid for US Senate...They should just shut up with their boringly lame-ass personal attack ads and just let Tom "Who else can I offend" Coburn burn his own bridge cause each time Coburn opens his yap he offends someone...Let's see, He has offended the Oklahoma City council by calling 'em "Crapheads", He offended the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and now he has offended the Farmers of South Western Oklahoma (Which is where I reside)

Hey, our Democratic Governor Brad Henry won by not saying anything bad about his opponent (He made a promise to run a clean campaign and kept that promise...His political ads were the best I have ever seen!!!!), Whereas his opponent in 2002 Republican Steve "Jim Zorn made me the great Hall-of-fame Wide Receiver :nod:" Largent blew himself up by, Yes you guessed it, Running his mouth...And ya gotta think our Moderate Democratic Gov.Henry wasnt even the Demos first pick to be the front runner for Governor (Their first pick was Vince "Let's see...I ran as an Independent & lost...I ran as a Republican and lost...Hey, I will try as a Democrat now" Orza and Henry absolutely smoked him!)

What may work in other states (those personal attack ads) NEVER work here, Each time a candidate has used these ads they have lost...So those hardcore Demos just need to take their ads off the air and let Tom Coburn do the J-O-B for 'em.

Too bad John Kerry cannot find Oklahoma on an atlas, He has YET to make any appearance in our state whereas his running mate has been here an estimated 30 times the past few years (Sen.Edwards & family have vacationed at Lake Tenkiller...Btw, I like Edwards!!)

Brian j.

ps-Btw, At least Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner Carroll Fisher stepped down recently, After being 'impeached' and losing support from his fellow Demos he saw it was a futile effort...Too bad he still faces criminal charges which led to his impeachment.

[gldstwmn]

it isnt Brad Carson who is getting on my nerves (Btw he is still leading in the polls), But some of those non-Oklahoma hardcore Demos who are supporting his bid for US Senate...They should just shut up with their boringly lame-ass personal attack ads and just let Tom "Who else can I offend" Coburn burn his own bridge cause each time Coburn opens his yap he offends someone...Let's see, He has offended the Oklahoma City council by calling 'em "Crapheads", He offended the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and now he has offended the Farmers of South Western Oklahoma (Which is where I reside)



You forgot "rampant lesbianism in public schools". :lol: :rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

You forgot "rampant lesbianism in public schools". :lol: :rolleyes:

I havent seen that one said, but I am not surprised either...

Ya wanna know which commercial must be the death knell for Coburn, The honest/non-personal attack commercial where it shows Brad Carson meeting with Shrub in the White House to be congratulated for his work within the Defense Dept. for National Security and for supporting the tax cuts.

:lol:

Brian j.

ps-Btw, The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma's Chief Chad Smith endorses Carson and encourage all the tribe members to do the same (Which I am!)

http://www.bradcarson.com

[amber]

ok, seriously, can anyone tell me why, if Lynn Cheney is so uptight about Lesbian, that she wrote that book? Please?

[DeeGeMe]

So if Lynne Cheney was so outraged by John Kerry's comments where the hell was she when the idiot (Alan Keyes) running against Barruck Obama made his infamous anti-gay remarks a few weeks ago (the kicker-he's got a lesbian daughter too)!

And then there's the South Carolina Senate Race. Jim DeMint, a rethug congressman is running against current SC Dept of Education Secretary inez Tennebaum. Well, in a debate last week DeMint announced that gay teachers shouldn't be allowed to teach in SC classrooms as gays did not reflect the "values" of the people of the State of South Carolina.

Hmmm--this is the same state that had Strom Thurmond as a Senator for about 100 years--you remember ole' Strom don't you--the one who had a half-black daughter he'd fathered with his family's maid? The rabid anti-segregationist who was sleeping with black women on the side? Was that a South Carolina value?

Oops-mini-rant inside of a rant there--but anyway, the upshot of all of this is that Lynne's hubby, Deadeye Dick Cheney has come to the state like twice to campaign for DeMint. Where the hell was the Cheney's outrage over anti-gay remarks when they were spoken by DeMint last week?

[estranged4life]

ok, seriously, can anyone tell me why, if Lynn Cheney is so uptight about Lesbian, that she wrote that book? Please?

because she is married to a 'dick'...Oops, I meant to say married to Dick(head).

Man, the Cheney's make the Osbourne's look rather tame if ya ask me :lol: :laugh: :nod:

Brian j.

[amber]

because she is married to a 'dick'...Oops, I meant to say married to Dick(head).

Man, the Cheney's make the Osbourne's look rather tame if ya ask me :lol: :laugh: :nod:

Brian j.
Yo, I agree with you there! But, he must have known she was writing it, and she must have known his politics...I mean, would someone write and publish a whole book like that? In that family? For no reason? And it's hard to write a book, even one like that. Either she is a super lesbian, and had to get it out, or she just found out her daughter was gay and wrote it for her, or...I can't think of anything else! I mean, if she HAD to write some kind of weird soft porn book, it could've been hetero. Maybe they're both one part of a "beard" couple, he's gay, she's gay.... :) Seriously, it's very mysterious to me, it just doesn't make sense.... :confused:

[estranged4life]

Maybe they're both one part of a "beard" couple, he's gay, she's gay Seriously, it's very mysterious to me, it just doesn't make sense....

that sounds like one mystery Scooby Doo & the gang WONT be touching :nod: :laugh:

Brian "Mrs.Cheney would've gotten away with it if it wasnt fer ya mettlin' kids..." j.

[amber]

that sounds like one mystery Scooby Doo & the gang WONT be touching :nod: :laugh:

Brian "Mrs.Cheney would've gotten away with it if it wasnt fer ya mettlin' kids..." j.
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! damn, that was hella funny!! You really can't have too many references to Scooby Doo, IMO....But clearly, you are not the one to help me solve the mystery.... :D

[gldstwmn]

I havent seen that one said, but I am not surprised either...



Here ya go..enjoy! :laugh:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=683&ncid=696&e=2&u=/ap/20041012/ap_on_el_se/senate_oklahoma

GOP Senate Candidate Warns of Lesbianism

[gldstwmn]

I havent seen that one said, but I am not surprised either...

Ya wanna know which commercial must be the death knell for Coburn, The honest/non-personal attack commercial where it shows Brad Carson meeting with Shrub in the White House to be congratulated for his work within the Defense Dept. for National Security and for supporting the tax cuts.

:lol:

Brian j.

ps-Btw, The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma's Chief Chad Smith endorses Carson and encourage all the tribe members to do the same (Which I am!)

http://www.bradcarson.com

Forgive my spelling error. I thought his name was Carlson. Anyway, I'm hearing this guy is going to flip parties once he's elected. Nighthorse Campbell did the same thing here.
My daughter is part Cherokee also. Her grandfather is from...drumroll...
Oklahoma.

[amber]

Forgive my spelling error. I thought his name was Carlson. Anyway, I'm hearing this guy is going to flip parties once he's elected. Nighthorse Campbell did the same thing here.
My daughter is part Cherokee also. Her grandfather is from...drumroll...
Oklahoma.
I heard about a couple things Nighthorse Campbell voted for that I was not happy about. Like, he's basically just a middle of the road democrat in native american clothing. I think it may have been an environmental thing, which really pisses me off. :mad: But, people are people...

[estranged4life]

Forgive my spelling error. I thought his name was Carlson. Anyway, I'm hearing this guy is going to flip parties once he's elected. Nighthorse Campbell did the same thing here.
My daughter is part Cherokee also. Her grandfather is from...drumroll...
Oklahoma.

world did you hear that from? The guy has been a lifelong Democrat...Sorry, But that info you heard is completely inaccurate!

The chances of that happening is the same as "Hill-Billy" Clin-ton dumping the Demos and becoming a die-hard right wing fruitcake! (But flipping parties doesnt apply if yer last name is Orza or Richardson...Who have ran for offices on all 3 party tickets in Oklahoma!)

Brian j.

[amber]

world did you hear that from? The guy has been a lifelong Democrat...Sorry, But that info you heard is completely inaccurate!

The chances of that happening is the same as "Hill-Billy" Clin-ton dumping the Demos and becoming a die-hard right wing fruitcake! (But flipping parties doesnt apply if yer last name is Orza or Richardson...Who have ran for offices on all 3 party tickets in Oklahoma!)

Brian j.
ok, great, but what about NHC (Nighthorse Campbell)? I'm only posting this cause i think GDW isn't on anymore. Plus, she never answers me anyway...

[estranged4life]

ok, great, but what about NHC (Nighthorse Campbell)? I'm only posting this cause i think GDW isn't on anymore. Plus, she never answers me anyway...

much about NHC, But knowing how DIEHARD Democratic all the Indian Tribes of Oklahoma are, If Carson was to switch he would know his political career would end immediately...He would be scorned by the Native people of this state which is the 'be all end all' of politicians in this state (Remember Oklahoma has 3,000,000 in population...About 1,000,000 is Native American and "ya dont go pissing on their backs and tell 'em it's raining")

Just no chance of that happening.

Brian j.

[amber]

much about NHC, But knowing how DIEHARD Democratic all the Indian Tribes of Oklahoma are, If Carson was to switch he would know his political career would end immediately...He would be scorned by the Native people of this state which is the 'be all end all' of politicians in this state (Remember Oklahoma has 3,000,000 in population...About 1,000,000 is Native American and "ya dont go pissing on their backs and tell 'em it's raining")

Just no chance of that happening.

Brian j.
ok. but Carson's not switching, is he? He sounds like a "f**k you, asshole!!" Kind of guy. which isn't great for a politician but i kinda respect it. But you can't offend everyone...wow, 1/3 of your population is native? Man, those people really got the short shrift, land wise... :laugh: They're probably a bunch of the descendents of "wounded knee" and that death march...(forgive me if my facts aren't proper)

[estranged4life]

ok. but Carson's not switching, is he? He sounds like a "f**k you, asshole!!" Kind of guy. which isn't great for a politician but i kinda respect it. But you can't offend everyone...wow, 1/3 of your population is native? Man, those people really got the short shrift, land wise... :laugh: They're probably a bunch of the descendents of "wounded knee" and that death march...(forgive me if my facts aren't proper)

he is not switching...No telling where that rumor started at. He seems to be a no-nonsense kinda guy, So I am sure he will take that no-nonsense approach to Washington DC.

Btw, The Native people in this state were screwed over countless times...Think about it, the Union STOLE their original lands and forced then out to a useless tract of land called the "Indian territory" (Countless hundreds, if not thousands died during the "Trail Of Tears"). But once this useless tract of land was found to have oil "Well hell lets take it back from those savages and make it a part of the Union of states." Thus Oklahoma became a state on Nov.16,1907

Kinda funny but most of the 5 Civilized Tribes of Oklahoma (Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole & Creek) sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War in hopes of winning back their RIGHTFUL lands back from the Northern THIEVES if the Confederacy won the war...But we know how that turned out.

End of yer "Oklahoma History" lesson...

Brian j.

[amber]

he is not switching...No telling where that rumor started at. He seems to be a no-nonsense kinda guy, So I am sure he will take that no-nonsense approach to Washington DC..
That usually doesn't work, unfortunately, witness Jimmy Carter.

Btw, The Native people in this state were screwed over countless times...Think about it, the Union STOLE their original lands and forced then out to a useless tract of land called the "Indian territory" (Countless hundreds, if not thousands died during the "Trail Of Tears"). But once this useless tract of land was found to have oil "Well hell lets take it back from those savages and make it a part of the Union of states." Thus Oklahoma became a state on Nov.16,1907[QUOTE=estranged4life]That's what i meant, the trail of tears...god, that's the most tragic story in history, among many, i swear... :shocked: :distress: I can't bring myself to study that indepth, or even watch a show about it, hardly. though i've seen a few shows.

[QUOTE=estranged4life]Kinda funny but most of the 5 Civilized Tribes of Oklahoma (Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole & Creek) sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War in hopes of winning back their RIGHTFUL lands back from the Northern THIEVES if the Confederacy won the war...But we know how that turned out...
the native's biggest mistake then was trusting that white people (you know what i mean. Indians betrayed themselves, too, but) would honor their contracts, and not be super resource grubbing, consuming, a-holes...now, since it is the American way, every ethnicity is like that! :) great.


End of yer "Oklahoma History" lesson...

Brian j.
Thanks, that was awesome!!!

[GateandGarden]

"How well her words describe our love—or the way it would be if we could remove all impediments, leave this place and join together. Then our union would be complete. Our lives would flow together, twin streams merging into a single river."

"Being ruggedly masculine myself, I was touched to see that my mother does in fact understand the latent burning desires in every woman to discard phallic worship and enjoy the tenderness that only another woman can offer."

:wavey: :xoxo: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: Thanks so much for posting that.

Hillary

[gldstwmn]

I heard about a couple things Nighthorse Campbell voted for that I was not happy about. Like, he's basically just a middle of the road democrat in native american clothing. I think it may have been an environmental thing, which really pisses me off. :mad: But, people are people...

Nighthorse Campbell is a Republican. He is vacating his seat.

[gldstwmn]

world did you hear that from? The guy has been a lifelong Democrat...Sorry, But that info you heard is completely inaccurate!

The chances of that happening is the same as "Hill-Billy" Clin-ton dumping the Demos and becoming a die-hard right wing fruitcake! (But flipping parties doesnt apply if yer last name is Orza or Richardson...Who have ran for offices on all 3 party tickets in Oklahoma!)

Brian j.

Bwah! I'll try to find some links for you on Carson and his strange antics of late.

[gldstwmn]

re Brad Carson:

"There is no Democrat member in Congress today who is more supportive of President Bush than me" --- Brad Carson 02/04 speaking to the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce

http://www.thehill.com/campaign/063004_carson.aspx
Rep. Carson backtracks on expensive healthcare bill
By Patrick O'Connor


In an apparent move to the political center, Rep. Brad Carson (D-Okla.) is distancing himself from an expensive healthcare bill written by a California liberal.

Carson, who is running to take retiring Sen. Don Nickles’s (R-Okla.) seat this November, last week withdrew his support of a bill introduced by Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) that would give comprehensive healthcare coverage to all children born after 2004.
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His latest campaign ad says the following:
Brad Carson will not support partial birth abortion.
Brad Carson believes marriage is between a man and a woman.
Brad Carson supports the NRA gun ownership policy.
Brad Carson feels there should be zero tolerance on illegal aliens.

According to the stats, he votes Republican 78% of the time. I guess he's a sight better than "Dr. Death" Coburn but this guy ain't no Democrat. :shocked:

[amber]

Nighthorse Campbell is a Republican. He is vacating his seat.
oh, yeah. that must be the thing i heard that i didn't like! :thumbsup:
AMber

[estranged4life]

re Brad Carson:

"There is no Democrat member in Congress today who is more supportive of President Bush than me" --- Brad Carson 02/04 speaking to the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce

http://www.thehill.com/campaign/063004_carson.aspx
Rep. Carson backtracks on expensive healthcare bill
By Patrick O'Connor

In an apparent move to the political center, Rep. Brad Carson (D-Okla.) is distancing himself from an expensive healthcare bill written by a California liberal.

Carson, who is running to take retiring Sen. Don Nickles’s (R-Okla.) seat this November, last week withdrew his support of a bill introduced by Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) that would give comprehensive healthcare coverage to all children born after 2004.
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His latest campaign ad says the following:
Brad Carson will not support partial birth abortion.
Brad Carson believes marriage is between a man and a woman.
Brad Carson supports the NRA gun ownership policy.
Brad Carson feels there should be zero tolerance on illegal aliens.

According to the stats, he votes Republican 78% of the time. I guess he's a sight better than "Dr. Death" Coburn but this guy ain't no Democrat. :shocked:

A Democrat like others Demos in different states throughout the US (Or even in your home state), But all the things you posted that he supports is what the typical Oklahoma Democrat supports.

Like I posted many a times before here on the Chit Chat posts on the Ledge (I remember Dissention laughing at what I called 'em one time), An Oklahoma Democrat is basically a Republican (Pro-life, Pro-religion, Anti-Gay Marriage, Pro-military, Pro-gun & Anti-Illegal Immigrant) who is scared about losing their Social Security and thus align themselves with the Democratic party, who are typically trying to save Social Security for all Americans...Otherwise they are Conservatives who happen to be registered Democrats (This state is not a liberal state...Never have or will be.)

Brian j.