Howard Stern mentions F-Mac [Archive]

rezamatic

09-17-2004, 08:44 AM

I was listening to Howard Stern at work and he happened to be talking about Soundstage. He said that on his day off yesterday or so he got really roped into the Fleetwood Mac concert. I always wondered what he'd think about the band, and he actually had a lot of good things to say!

He basically was explaining how neat it was to watch their performance after all the history they've been through. Of course, as is the norm with Howard he had things slightly off (Stevie was married to Lindsey and then was banging the drummer, apparently). But it was neat to watch them 'all in love' now and able to sing these romantic songs to one another on stage, as opposed to back when they were in turmoil and whatnot.

He said 'first right away I want to say that Lindsey Buckingham has to be one of the most underrated guitar players in the world' which is definitely the usual thing I hear DJ's or TV hosts say about him the most. He also went on to say that Stevie's still pulling off twirls and manuevers like she did when she was hot. He then goes into how it's weird when chicks are hot and then become fat when you haven't seen them in a while (he wondered if Lindsey had to be thinking 'how did I ever bang this chick?' while he's singing to/with her, hehehe). But other than Stevie's shift in body frame, he had nothing but positive things to say! Even complimented Mick on being a kick-ass drummer who looked like he was going to keel over behind the set but kept going.

He played Stevie's dedication to Lindsey and went into Landslide for a bit, and then played the opening of "The Chain". It made my day - I totally expected him to bash them for being a washed up band or something like that, but he actually recommended the concert bigtime and said he'd love to go see them live. Too late, Howard :-D

Just figured I'd share. It made my day.

ThePenguin

09-17-2004, 09:07 AM

rezamatic

09-17-2004, 09:11 AM

Gosh I used to listen to Stern every day, back in my former 'pre-kids' life. :)

I work from midnight to 9am, so once you get to 6am you're pretty much flatlining. So when he comes on it really wakes you up and keeps you going when my Red Bull and caramel machiatos have worn off :-D I really didn't like him at first (as most people tend to do) but I've warmed up to him a lot since then.

Gailh

09-17-2004, 10:58 AM

ThePenguin

09-17-2004, 11:24 AM

>>I wonder if it occured to him to wonder if Christine ever thinks when she looks at John "how did I ever bang this guy?" now he's got a bit more condition on him? Or if Stevie ever thinks about Mick "how did I ever bang this guy" now that he's bald?
Or can those sort of thoughts only happen to men?>>

Yeah, it seems to be ingrained in society that a man can stay attractive, or get *more* attractive, as he ages, but the same is not true for women. We get older, we get heavier, we go grey, things sag a little...while the same things happen to a guy and he is said to look 'distinguished'. hmmph.

FWIW I still think Mick and John look adorable. Frankly IMO Mick looks better than he ever has, I find him pretty sexy these days. :)

-Lis

skcin

09-17-2004, 12:49 PM

I wonder if it occured to him to wonder if Christine ever thinks when she looks at John "how did I ever bang this guy?" now he's got a bit more condition on him? Or if Stevie ever thinks about Mick "how did I ever bang this guy" now that he's bald?

Or can those sort of thoughts only happen to men?

Gail

According to Howard, it's only men, lol. Figures that today is the day I called in to work today so I missed my usual a.m. Howard drive. :rolleyes:

I've heard him briefly mention Mac & Stevie a few times in the past, usually talks about how hot Stevie was back in the day. And always positive stuff about thier music. It would be so great if Mac would go on Stern, but I'm sure they never would. I can only imagine what La Nicks thinks of the show :laugh:

Paula

AliP

09-17-2004, 12:54 PM

Very cool. I love the old Stern 1990 interview w/ John and Chris, it is a riot. (Mick was too stoned to really speak much and Rick Vito didn't have headphones!) Howard kept harping on why LB had left the band, how stupid that was etc.

Gosh I used to listen to Stern every day, back in my former 'pre-kids' life. :)

-Lis

Yeah, I think that interview is hilarious. He was really focused on Lindsey's hair for some reason saying it was too high. lol. I especially love the part where he asks Christine what "Behind the Mask" is about and she says it's about a creep and he says so "it's about Lindsey then." LOL. I can tell that Mick and Christine were really annoyed in that interview.

HejiraNYC

09-17-2004, 01:48 PM

Yeah, I think that interview is hilarious. He was really focused on Lindsey's hair for some reason saying it was too high. lol. I especially love the part where he asks Christine what "Behind the Mask" is about and she says it's about a creep and he says so "it's about Lindsey then." LOL. I can tell that Mick and Christine were really annoyed in that interview.

Ah, would I love an mp3 of today's rant, as well as the 1990 interview!

jbrownsjr

09-17-2004, 01:53 PM

I know she's got a great sense of humor. But since FM is so PC with the media. I can't imagine them on Howard Stern.

ThePenguin

09-17-2004, 02:23 PM

I think John and Chris did a great job fielding Howard's innapropriate questions, such as, "So do you guys ever feel any of that old passion for each other?" A man after my own heart. :D

And another favorite: "Isn't your wife jealous that you're out on the road w/ Christine?"
John: "Nah, she's out out w/ her boyfriend!"

LOL they were hysterical. Mick did have some outbursts but they were minimal, he was out of it.

-Lis

amber

09-17-2004, 02:31 PM

It made my day - I totally expected him to bash them for being a washed up band or something like that, but he actually recommended the concert bigtime and said he'd love to go see them live. Too late, Howard :-D

Just figured I'd share. It made my day.
That's ubercool. But it would be hard for even howard to bash a band that are so obviously great live performers and great musicians.... :woohoo:
Don't like him to talk about Stevie that way, but of course it's just what he would say... :rolleyes:
AMber

jbrownsjr

09-17-2004, 03:12 PM

dissention

09-17-2004, 03:27 PM

diamondsnake

09-17-2004, 03:36 PM

How dare he say that about Stevie???!!!!

Okay, I am not going to go crazy but I mean for a woman pushing 60, Stevie is hot, hot, hot! Sure, some of the candid photo's of the tour aren't that flattering but she looks stunning on the Live in Boston DVD.

dissention

09-17-2004, 03:40 PM

How dare he say that about Stevie???!!!!

Yes, how dare he make a crude comment about a celebrity! C'mon, man, this is Howard Stern. And while everyone can disagree, he has a point. She most certainly is not what I'd classify as "hot." Pretty? Hell yes. Gracefully aged? Hell yes (with the assist of mucho pancake make-up and possible face work). But not "hot." She's too matronly to be "hot," IMO.

Okay, I am not going to go crazy but I mean for a woman pushing 60, Stevie is hot, hot, hot! Sure, some of the candid photo's of the tour aren't that flattering but she looks stunning on the Live in Boston DVD.

Because she's wearing pancake make-up three inches thick. :lol: But she does look particularly good during Rhiannon and Gypsy.

no_spoken_word

09-17-2004, 04:43 PM

It's true, her make up looked horrible on the Boston DVD.

And I would KILL for a transcript of that 1990 interview!

dissention

09-17-2004, 04:47 PM

It's true, her make up looked horrible on the Boston DVD.

Yup, even my friend Jamie asked why she looked so splotchy. TOO MUCH MAKE-UP! :laugh:

jbrownsjr

09-17-2004, 04:49 PM

Howard Stern made fun of someone! HOLY ****!

dissention

09-17-2004, 04:56 PM

Howard Stern made fun of someone! HOLY ****!

:lol:

You people should be lucky he didn't take a **** on one of their albums while on the air; those comments are mild for that guy. :laugh:

strandinthewind

09-17-2004, 05:05 PM

Plus, what were they expecting - a suddenly civil Howard Stern - PUHHHHHHLLLLLLEEEEEZZZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

goldie

09-17-2004, 09:04 PM

[QUOTE=ThePenguin Frankly IMO Mick looks better than he ever has, I find him pretty sexy these days. :)

-Lis[/QUOTE]

I've been thinking the same thing lately! He IS looking quite good!

diamondsnake

09-17-2004, 10:03 PM

jbrownsjr

09-17-2004, 11:01 PM

:lol:

You people should be lucky he didn't take a **** on one of their albums while on the air; those comments are mild for that guy. :laugh:

Yeah he is mild compared to some of his older shows.

Kelly

09-18-2004, 07:27 AM

I cannot stand the way Stevie is filmed on LiB. All the close ups of her are her right cheek and the right side of her nose. Its God awful.

I think Howard is pretty funny most of the time. Whenever he talks about Stevie, its usually about how "hot" he thought she was "way back when". His comments about what Lindsey thinks when he looks at her now, (how did I bang her?) are so typical Howard.

laurarox

09-18-2004, 08:29 AM

If you have had the opportunity of seeing Stevie up close recently and it seems as if many Ledgies have (during SYW shows), I don't know how you could deny how beautiful she was and IS. No, she no longer looks like a 30 year old woman, but if only women 30 and younger are beautiful - we have a VERY NARROW perception of beauty. :cool:

I saw her in July from about 5 feet away and she is really jaw dropping in my opinion. :shocked:

Gailh

09-18-2004, 08:58 AM

Do you not know what type of show Stern's is and who his target audience is? :laugh:

I don't care what type of show he does.

His target audience would appear to be a bunch of mysogonist morons. :lol:

Gail

ThePenguin

09-18-2004, 09:00 AM

jbrownsjr, did you get my private message? If not let me know. :)

-Lis

dissention

09-18-2004, 09:34 AM

His target audience would appear to be a bunch of mysogonist morons. :lol:

Gail

Ding, ding, ding! You got it! :woohoo: :thumbsup:

dissention

09-18-2004, 09:41 AM

Well let's put it this way- there aren't a lot of woman pushing sixty who are as good looking as Stevie, if I do say so myself.

Of course there are, you just have to know where to look. :laugh:

And I don't think her makeup is any different then usual- it is just so obvious because for some reason the camera man wanted us to see up her nose. That is the only annoying part about LIB- the Stevie close ups are insane! Why oh why did they do that to her? Do they want us to see every imperfection on a person's face? If I was videotaped that close up I'd hope that I had pancake makeup on!

That's because her usual make-up is LOTS of pancake make-up. :shrug:

Regardless, I do think she's a beautiful woman, no doubt about it. But she strikes me as too matronly to be hot. If she wants to be hot, she should take cues from Debbie Harry, who's the same age and is smoking. Not because she's the most beautiful she has ever looked, but because she just projects youthfulness when she's almost sixty. I find that a uber-sexy and hot. There were a few times on LIB during Rhiannon where Stevie looked like her old seventies self, though!!!!!!!!!!

diamondsnake

09-18-2004, 11:17 AM

Of course there are, you just have to know where to look. :laugh:

That's because her usual make-up is LOTS of pancake make-up. :shrug:

Regardless, I do think she's a beautiful woman, no doubt about it. But she strikes me as too matronly to be hot. If she wants to be hot, she should take cues from Debbie Harry, who's the same age and is smoking. Not because she's the most beautiful she has ever looked, but because she just projects youthfulness when she's almost sixty. I find that a uber-sexy and hot. There were a few times on LIB during Rhiannon where Stevie looked like her old seventies self, though!!!!!!!!!!
Well what is making her look matronly? And what is Debbie doing that Stevie isn't?

diamondsnake

09-18-2004, 11:19 AM

sparky

09-18-2004, 12:05 PM

Well what is making her look matronly? And what is Debbie doing that Stevie isn't?

What is making her look matronly ? Schlumpy shoes and an extra 30 pounds, for starters. And some of her clothes tend to make her look a little lumpy. All the layers add up and bulk her up, and seem to affect the way she moves. She can get wound up, peppy, and animated (mostly during SB), but often on stage she doesn't display a lot of physicality. Bad hip, sore feet, whatever the cause - she just doesn't move like a young person. I can't imagine her going on a hike, running, riding a bike, swimming, or doing other things that a vital, fit, and (IMO) sexy person would do.

Debbie Harry, on the other hand, seems to be cat-like, lithe, and electrified. There's a physical confidence that radiates from her. She comes off scrappy, wiry, and spunky. If she was pissed, I think she'd try to kick my ass and would get in a few good punches. And I'm in pretty damned good shape. I often fear Stevie is going to fall over on stage. Miss Deb is markedly thicker than 20 years ago herself, but she just carries herself differently. Even though that face lift was a little tight, she just looks sharp and vigorous.

Stevie is, without a doubt, beautiful. There are moments when she projects the same vibe that she did in her prime. But overall, she has a different aura about her now. It's a calmer, earth mother thing. She seems to have relaxed into it and is evidently comfortable with it. More power to her. All bow before the Queen, LOL. Sex kitten ? Nope. Not in a good twenty years. Who cares ? She was the best of the best when she was that person. Times change. I don't think she has any desire to be that woman anymore. It's a lot of work, I am sure.

As far as Howard Stern goes - of course he talks about her "hot" days. The man is a thirteen year old Id gone mad. That's his schtick. He likes women who are rail thin, with imlants, lip jobs, and not much brains. He knows his audience - typical 18-34 year old straight guys. That's what most of them fantasize about too. It's reality. That's what most guys like.

For the record, I like Howard. I used to listen to him all the time. The way he calls sacred celebrities out on the carpet is a riot. He certainly crosses the line into mean sometimes, but that's what an out of control Id does. I don't listen to him much anymore - the constant fixation Jenna Jameson type bimbos and strippers gets on my nerves. But I appreciate his show. And I think Robin Quivers is fantastic.

David

09-18-2004, 12:21 PM

I saw her in July from about 5 feet away and she is really jaw dropping in my opinion. :shocked:She had a glazed-over look in her eyes. She didn't look at the people in front of her, but seemed to be gazing off into the distance, as if in a drugged haze.

She's still pretty, though. Jake could get her into much better shape in six months.

Janet

09-18-2004, 01:17 PM

I remember Howard talking about tying Stevie up in a chair and doing things with her?

Was this with just Mick?

There was also something with Lindsey and his hair...wasn't that with Lindsey alone or that also the same interview? I have it on cassette but I can't listen to it because the cassette player in my car broke.

ThePenguin

09-18-2004, 01:28 PM

>>I remember Howard talking about tying Stevie up in a chair and doing things with her?
Was this with just Mick?
There was also something with Lindsey and his hair...wasn't that with Lindsey alone or that also the same interview? I have it on cassette but I can't listen to it because the cassette player in my car broke.>>

Yeah the tie-up talk was on another interview w/ just Mick, I think.

I believe they did comment on L's hair in the 1990 one, but I know there is a Stern interview w/ just Lindsey out there. Do you have that interview, Janet? Will trade for that. :nod:

-Lis

amber

09-18-2004, 03:23 PM

Debbie Harry, on the other hand, seems to be cat-like, lithe, and electrified. There's a physical confidence that radiates from her. She comes off scrappy, wiry, and spunky. If she was pissed, I think she'd try to kick my ass and would get in a few good punches. And I'm in pretty damned good shape. I often fear Stevie is going to fall over on stage. Miss Deb is markedly thicker than 20 years ago herself, but she just carries herself differently. Even though that face lift was a little tight, she just looks sharp and vigorous..

Debbie's know to have become quite Zaftig at times, then usually gets surgery....Also, as some reviewer pointed out...Debbie's never really been a good dancer....my point with this being that, I think Stevie wore herself out much more...she was touring before, and after Blondie was, all the time, with her own career and with FMac, always busy, busy....and being a good dancer :p I don't think Debbie's worn down nearly as much. Which is good...but also I think Stevie's live performance back in the day absolutely cannot be equaled, so, i kinda don't mind that she wore herself down, it was for a great cause... :) oh, by the way, I love, love, love Debbie...also, isn't Debbie a few years younger?
anywhoo,
Amber

Johnny Stew

09-18-2004, 03:46 PM

That's because her usual make-up is LOTS of pancake make-up. :shrug:

Uhm, it's called "stage makeup." Every broadway actress (and most of the actors!) wears it. As do opera stars.

Most female performers over 40 wear it, too. Tina Turner wears it. Cher wears it. Debbie Harry wears it (it was evident on VH1's Divas special).

Skin becomes more pale as we age, because we have less pigment, and Stevie has a pale complexion to begin with. Combine that with the harsh klieg lights, and all you'd see are eyes and lips.
So she wears the foundation.

When you see her in candid pics, wearing the type of makeup I assume she always wears off-stage, it's not thick or pancaked.

I really don't understand what the big deal is, but then, I usually don't. :shrug:

LilyRose

09-18-2004, 10:31 PM

And what is Debbie doing that Stevie isn't?

Face lifts. A damn good one too. :nod:

Now I'm not saying that Stevie should do this (to each his own), but if she were to ever really consider it...call and get a refferal from Debbie.

Susie

strandinthewind

09-18-2004, 10:51 PM

Face lifts. A damn good one too. :nod:

Now I'm not saying that Stevie should do this (to each his own), but if she were to ever really consider it...call and get a refferal from Debbie.

Susie

See, I think Debbie H. looks a little ragged even after her face lift. I think Stevie lloks FAR better. But, to each their own I guess :laugh:

diamondsnake

09-18-2004, 10:57 PM

What is making her look matronly ? Schlumpy shoes and an extra 30 pounds, for starters. And some of her clothes tend to make her look a little lumpy. All the layers add up and bulk her up, and seem to affect the way she moves. She can get wound up, peppy, and animated (mostly during SB), but often on stage she doesn't display a lot of physicality. Bad hip, sore feet, whatever the cause - she just doesn't move like a young person. I can't imagine her going on a hike, running, riding a bike, swimming, or doing other things that a vital, fit, and (IMO) sexy person would do.

Debbie Harry, on the other hand, seems to be cat-like, lithe, and electrified. There's a physical confidence that radiates from her. She comes off scrappy, wiry, and spunky. If she was pissed, I think she'd try to kick my ass and would get in a few good punches. And I'm in pretty damned good shape. I often fear Stevie is going to fall over on stage. Miss Deb is markedly thicker than 20 years ago herself, but she just carries herself differently. Even though that face lift was a little tight, she just looks sharp and vigorous.

Stevie is, without a doubt, beautiful. There are moments when she projects the same vibe that she did in her prime. But overall, she has a different aura about her now. It's a calmer, earth mother thing. She seems to have relaxed into it and is evidently comfortable with it. More power to her. All bow before the Queen, LOL. Sex kitten ? Nope. Not in a good twenty years. Who cares ? She was the best of the best when she was that person. Times change. I don't think she has any desire to be that woman anymore. It's a lot of work, I am sure.

As far as Howard Stern goes - of course he talks about her "hot" days. The man is a thirteen year old Id gone mad. That's his schtick. He likes women who are rail thin, with imlants, lip jobs, and not much brains. He knows his audience - typical 18-34 year old straight guys. That's what most of them fantasize about too. It's reality. That's what most guys like.

For the record, I like Howard. I used to listen to him all the time. The way he calls sacred celebrities out on the carpet is a riot. He certainly crosses the line into mean sometimes, but that's what an out of control Id does. I don't listen to him much anymore - the constant fixation Jenna Jameson type bimbos and strippers gets on my nerves. But I appreciate his show. And I think Robin Quivers is fantastic.
Well I would rather have her wear tennis shoes and have her dance around more then wear platforms and have her just stand at her mic. I'm not looking at her feet anyways!

And I agree Stevie has put on a few pounds- or maybe it is just the insane amount of layers. For all we know she is 90 pounds under all those capes and shawls! From candid photos she looks like she has gained weight since the Dance, but on Live in Boston she looks about the same weight. I think maybe the candid photos are just taken from unflattering angles (looking up).

And I know everyone thinks the Stevie fans are just making excuses- but I really think she is trying to give Lindsey the spotlight this tour. How come on Stand Back she becomes her old thirty-year old energetic self again? I mean you can't just turn it on unless you have it to begin with! So I think she is trying to tone down the twirls so she doesn't steal Lindsey's thunder. That is just my opinion- but I guess we will see the next time she goes on a solo tour.

DeadliestPoison

09-18-2004, 11:17 PM

also, isn't Debbie a few years younger?
Debbie's actually a few years older. I think she's 60. Don't quote me on that, though.

heyjupiter678

09-18-2004, 11:30 PM

Debbie's actually a few years older. I think she's 60. Don't quote me on that, though.
She turns 60 next year. :)

HomerMcvie

09-19-2004, 02:36 AM

How come on Stand Back she becomes her old thirty-year old energetic self again? I mean you can't just turn it on unless you have it to begin with! So I think she is trying to tone down the twirls so she doesn't steal Lindsey's thunder.
It's one thing to put out for 8 minutes. It's most certainly another to put out for 2+ hours.

dissention

09-19-2004, 10:06 AM

It's one thing to put out for 8 minutes. It's most certainly another to put out for 2+ hours.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LORD CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP ME UP OFF THE FLOOR!!!!!!!!!

sparky

09-19-2004, 10:08 AM

It's one thing to put out for 8 minutes. It's most certainly another to put out for 2+ hours.

Ain't that the truth.

dissention

09-19-2004, 10:09 AM

Uhm, it's called "stage makeup." Every broadway actress (and most of the actors!) wears it. As do opera stars.

Most female performers over 40 wear it, too. Tina Turner wears it. Cher wears it. Debbie Harry wears it (it was evident on VH1's Divas special).

Skin becomes more pale as we age, because we have less pigment, and Stevie has a pale complexion to begin with. Combine that with the harsh klieg lights, and all you'd see are eyes and lips.
So she wears the foundation.

When you see her in candid pics, wearing the type of makeup I assume she always wears off-stage, it's not thick or pancaked.

I really don't understand what the big deal is, but then, I usually don't. :shrug:

Oh, puhleeze. :lol:

Look at the photos out there of Stevie without pancake make-up and then compare them to when she's wearing it. Heck, just watch LIB, she's wearing so much that she looks like she had her make-up done at Uncle Larry's Funeral Parlor and Mortuary.

EveryHour

09-19-2004, 10:12 AM

That's because her usual make-up is LOTS of pancake make-up. :shrug:

As Johnny Stew said, I don't agree. What she wears daily is not nearly as heavy as what is required for the filmingof a DVD or even nightly onstage. Stevie has always "let" us see her without makeup anyway in tourbook candids, etc. She has light makeup on throughout much of Destiny Rules and is even completely barefaced during the EFO rehearsal clip. I really don't see evidence of facial plastic surgery...maybe pricey botanical skin treatments or possibly even laser skin resurfacing at some point, but maybe not. Some women her age do just look that good.

dissention

09-19-2004, 10:14 AM

Debbie's know to have become quite Zaftig at times, then usually gets surgery....Also, as some reviewer pointed out...Debbie's never really been a good dancer....my point with this being that, I think Stevie wore herself out much more...she was touring before, and after Blondie was, all the time, with her own career and with FMac, always busy, busy....and being a good dancer :p I don't think Debbie's worn down nearly as much. Which is good...but also I think Stevie's live performance back in the day absolutely cannot be equaled, so, i kinda don't mind that she wore herself down, it was for a great cause... :) oh, by the way, I love, love, love Debbie...also, isn't Debbie a few years younger?
anywhoo,
Amber

She's always been up-front about her surgery and said that her first time she had work done was after the No Exit tour, and I believe that. I saw her solo in '94, then with the Jazz Passengers in '96, with Blondie in '97, then again with Blondie in '98 (or '99, I forget); she never had surgery during those years. She's also said that she sees nothing wrong with surgery and that if she gets really old and decrepit looking, she'll get surgery to look Chinese, change her identity, and live anonymously. I think it's refreshing for someone to be so honest about surgery.

But, I don't think the surgery is what makes her sexy and hot, it's her youthfulness. Which my dear friend sparky summed up PERFECTLY. An Debbie will be 60 next year. ;) And has toured just as much as La Nicks. ;)

dissention

09-19-2004, 10:15 AM

As Johnny Stew said, I don't agree. What she wears daily is not nearly as heavy as what is required for the filmingof a DVD or even nightly onstage. Stevie has always "let" us see her without makeup anyway in tourbook candids, etc. She has light makeup on throughout much of Destiny Rules and is even completely barefaced during the EFO rehearsal clip. I really don't see evidence of facial plastic surgery...maybe pricey botanical skin treatments or possibly even laser skin resurfacing at some point, but maybe not. Some women her age do just look that good.

OMG, watch the Destiny Rules DVD closely and you'll see just why she looks so great when it appears that she doesn't have much make-up on. The touch ups and lens filters were not made discreet! Specifically, watch the Goodbye Baby part where she looks stunning and gorgeous.

HomerMcvie

09-19-2004, 11:00 AM

LORD CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP ME UP OFF THE FLOOR!!!!!!!!!
I'll be here all week. Oh, and try the VEAL! :]
Heck, just watch LIB, she's wearing so much that she looks like she had her make-up done at Uncle Larry's Funeral Parlor and Mortuary.
Right back at ya kiddo. RAOTFLMFAO! :lol: :lol: :lol:

diamondsnake

09-19-2004, 11:22 AM

She's always been up-front about her surgery and said that her first time she had work done was after the No Exit tour, and I believe that. I saw her solo in '94, then with the Jazz Passengers in '96, with Blondie in '97, then again with Blondie in '98 (or '99, I forget); she never had surgery during those years. She's also said that she sees nothing wrong with surgery and that if she gets really old and decrepit looking, she'll get surgery to look Chinese, change her identity, and live anonymously. I think it's refreshing for someone to be so honest about surgery.

But, I don't think the surgery is what makes her sexy and hot, it's her youthfulness. Which my dear friend sparky summed up PERFECTLY. An Debbie will be 60 next year. ;) And has toured just as much as La Nicks. ;)
Stevie rocks, get used to it Dissention! Just kidding, different strokes for different folks, I guess...

Serrart

09-19-2004, 11:30 AM

diamondsnake

09-19-2004, 11:38 AM

That's because her make up artist had a bad day. A thicker make-up is quite predictable for a concert filming but if you display it in that way, it would result too evident in the close-ups, and that's what happened.

Romy
I don't think her makeup was any different then it is in say... the Dance. They just had bad camera work which for some odd reason wanted us to count Stevie's eye lashes.

Serrart

09-19-2004, 11:51 AM

I don't think her makeup was any different then it is in say... the Dance. They just had bad camera work which for some odd reason wanted us to count Stevie's eye lashes.

I don't think it was that bad camera work. Some directors love to be on the artists that way, it makes them appear more human and vulnerable, I guess. By the way, how many eye lashes does she have? ;)

Romy

dissention

09-19-2004, 12:50 PM

Stevie rocks, get used to it Dissention! Just kidding, different strokes for different folks, I guess...

I agree and she always will. But I certainly don't think she's "hot" or moves "faster than lightning" onstage. :xoxo:

dissention

09-19-2004, 12:51 PM

That's because her make up artist had a bad day. A thicker make-up is quite predictable for a concert filming but if you display it in that way, it would result too evident in the close-ups, and that's what happened.

Romy

The same thing happened with The Dance; too much pancake make-up. They all had way too much on during those filmings, though.

strandinthewind

09-19-2004, 12:55 PM

The same thing happened with The Dance; too much pancake make-up. They all had way too much on during those filmings, though.

I disagree - I thought her make up in The Dance was superb. I also think the lighting was INCREDIBLE. I also think they shot her through a special lens - perhaps oil immersed or gauzed if they still use those concepts :laugh: I also think there may have been some post production work done to enhance that :eek:

dissention

09-19-2004, 01:01 PM

I disagree - I thought her make up in The Dance was superb. I also think the lighting was INCREDIBLE. I also think they shot her through a special lens - perhaps oil immersed or gauzed if they still use those concepts :laugh: I also think there may have been some post production work done to enhance that :eek:

They most certainly did use soft lens and post-production and, for some reason, they didn't try to hide it, either. :laugh: I took a couple film classes a couple years ago and just dissected the whole video one night. And La Nicks was not alone in the touch up area, though she did have the lions share. :laugh:

I think that pancake make-up can only be called "superb" when there it isn't totally obvious how much someone has on.

strandinthewind

09-19-2004, 01:04 PM

They most certainly did use soft lens and post-production and, for some reason, they didn't try to hide it, either. :laugh: I took a couple film classes a couple years ago and just dissected the whole video one night. And La Nicks was not alone in the touch up area, though she did have the lions share. :laugh:

I think that pancake make-up can only be called "superb" when there it isn't totally obvious how much someone has on.

The thing about The Dance is the footage is from three different nights and then from close ups shot later. All of the lighting is different - esp. the close ups, where is can be more tightly controlled and done over over over over over and over!!!!!!!! So, I think some of the post production was to correct that, but the lion's share was to make them look better, which is easy when you have pretty people to start with!!!!!

I also love how one second La Nicks is playing a tambourine with black streamers and the next time in the same song and one second later, she has a different one. Also, the long shots are sometimes not even for the song being played :laugh:

jbrownsjr

09-19-2004, 01:24 PM

She's always been up-front about her surgery and said that her first time she had work done was after the No Exit tour, and I believe that. I saw her solo in '94, then with the Jazz Passengers in '96, with Blondie in '97, then again with Blondie in '98 (or '99, I forget); she never had surgery during those years. She's also said that she sees nothing wrong with surgery and that if she gets really old and decrepit looking, she'll get surgery to look Chinese, change her identity, and live anonymously. I think it's refreshing for someone to be so honest about surgery.

But, I don't think the surgery is what makes her sexy and hot, it's her youthfulness. Which my dear friend sparky summed up PERFECTLY. An Debbie will be 60 next year. ;) And has toured just as much as La Nicks. ;)

I kind of agree with this. Stevie even in interviews doesn't have that vibrant approach. I remember the Jim Ladd interviews way back and she used to have this great humor. Now it's all PC crap. Stevie and LB seem older to me than even Christine. Maybe because CM called it quits, she got her energy back. But her latest interviews make her sound like she's 40.

I think in all fairness SN and LB are fricken tired and crabby. I can understand why.

Johnny Stew

09-19-2004, 04:07 PM

I kind of agree with this. Stevie even in interviews doesn't have that vibrant approach. I remember the Jim Ladd interviews way back and she used to have this great humor. Now it's all PC crap. Stevie and LB seem older to me than even Christine. Maybe because CM called it quits, she got her energy back. But her latest interviews make her sound like she's 40.

I think in all fairness SN and LB are fricken tired and crabby. I can understand why.

I'm at risk of starting an all-out war with this comment... but Stevie said in some interview (I wish I remembered) that 9/11 aged her about ten years.

Not to sound goofy, but I do wonder if the experience of being in New York on that day (albeit, in the relative safety of a luxury hotel room) still weighs on her.
She certainly seemed far more subdued and somber in the various 'SYW' interviews than she had in the 'TISL' interviews.

Or maybe the poor woman is simply tired.

Johnny Stew

09-19-2004, 04:26 PM

Oh, puhleeze. :lol:

Look at the photos out there of Stevie without pancake make-up and then compare them to when she's wearing it. Heck, just watch LIB, she's wearing so much that she looks like she had her make-up done at Uncle Larry's Funeral Parlor and Mortuary.

I'm not arguing that her makeup on 'Live In Boston' isn't thick, simply that it's stage makeup, and stage makeup IS thick by design. It's meant to compensate for things such as pale complexions and harsh lighting (and people sitting a few hundred feet from the stage).

As far as post-production touch-ups enhancing her appearance... well, I don't doubt that either. But I also don't think it's as extensive as people make it out to be. More than likely done to even skin-tones, etc.

Anyone who wants to see what the level of re-touches being implied here REALLY looks like, should check out that Michael Jackson tribute concert from a year or two back.
Whitney Houston was re-touched to hide her "skin and bones" appearance, and it SHOWS. Especially around her collar-bone. Even in close-ups, the footage looks smudged.

Obviously they used a less-expensive approach.
The technique of high-quality digital re-touching is ultra-expensive... which is why film studios, etc., avoid it at all costs.

Stevie may be vain like the rest of us, but I just can't imagine her pushing for millions of dollars worth of re-touches... which is what it would cost to extensively re-touch a feature length concert like 'The Dance' or a feature-length documentary like 'Destiny Rules.'

I'm not saying that I don't think some scenes here and there aren't re-touched (I mean, it IS obvious, for Pete's sake)... just that I certainly don't feel it was done to the extent that is sometimes claimed. :shrug:

And, I don't care what anyone says... here's an un-retouched candid photo where she's wearing low-key makeup, and this is a beautiful woman....

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksJanineAHIAfter02.jpg

sarahw

09-19-2004, 04:55 PM

great example Johnny Stew...

I think she looks great on LIB, and in most of the candid shots people have posted from the shows....for someone who is 56 she looks amazing....as far as the weight goes, the camera adds like what...10 pounds? I don't think she is more than 135 pounds, I think her clothes add the appearance of weight. We all add weight as we age, so why should she be different? Do all of you look perfect? Doubt it.

On someone's recent candid shots there was a spare tire visable on Lindsey....we're talking love handles. Yet no one comments. Why? Not a fair double standard, but highly pervasive in the thought processes of today's society.

I enjoy Howard Stern, but take what he says with a grain of salt. AND, he is butt ugly.

diamondsnake

09-19-2004, 05:36 PM

diamondsnake

09-19-2004, 05:49 PM

And as far as her general appearance goes some candid pictures are terrible like this one (her worst picture from the SYW tour in my opinion):

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksChampaignAH01.jpg

And then my favorite SYW tour picture was taken just a few nights latter! So obviously, just like everyone else she takes great pictures and bad pictures:

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksJanineRaleigh03.jpg

PS: This picture I just think is really cool. She does not look like an earth mother she looks really hot:

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksDR05.JPG

In conclusion, Stevie is hot and Howard Stern can ride off in to the sunset with Britney Spears or whoever else he deems "hot". He isn't fit to shine Stevie's reeboks.

gldstwmn

09-19-2004, 06:01 PM

dissention

09-19-2004, 07:43 PM

And, I don't care what anyone says... here's an un-retouched candid photo where she's wearing low-key makeup, and this is a beautiful woman....

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksJanineAHIAfter02.jpg

Compare that to the Silent Night rehearsal photo. And the one where she's holding up that ridiculous t-shirt. :laugh:

diamondsnake

09-19-2004, 09:44 PM

Compare that to the Silent Night rehearsal photo. And the one where she's holding up that ridiculous t-shirt. :laugh:

Well that's the way the ball bounces. I just developed some pictures today and one of the pictures of me I look like amazing (not to brag!) and in another picture I look like something the cat threw up. I guess that is just life. :shrug: So obviously this rule applies to Stevie too!

heyjupiter678

09-19-2004, 10:01 PM

Compare that to the Silent Night rehearsal photo. And the one where she's holding up that ridiculous t-shirt. :laugh:
I think she looks beautiful in the picture with the t-shirt, and much younger than her age. :shrug:

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksBobFunny.jpg

strandinthewind

09-19-2004, 10:27 PM

I do too - IMP she looks no where near her age in that t-shirt pic. AND - it is candid and her skin looks okay, just older.

Johnny Stew

09-19-2004, 10:40 PM

I think she looks beautiful in the picture with the t-shirt, and much younger than her age. :shrug:

Seriously. If that's an example of Stevie looking "bad," then the woman has no worries.

I mean, we're talking about a 56-year old woman wearing very little makeup (with, seemingly, no major plastic surgery)... how is she supposed to look? Like a fresh-scrubbed 18 year old? Talk about unrealistic expectations!

When she's not wearing makeup (such as those "Silent Night" pics), her eyes are very small and her face has little color. Wow... big surprise there!
But we act as if Stevie suddenly becomes Medusa when she's not wearing makeup, and as if it's somehow proof that she no longer looks good when she does.

Isn't the whole point of wearing makeup, to enhance one's beauty and divert attention from one's flaws?
And, when on stage, to combat the harshness of the stage lights, as well as the other factors I've already cited.

I think one can still be a beautiful woman, while also not looking "perfect"... but maybe that's just me. :shrug:

diamondsnake

09-20-2004, 12:15 AM

I think she looks about fourty in that picture. Not mid fifties. And Johnny is right- we can not expect this woman to look like an olsen twin! And even if Dissention doesn't think so I think she is hot. Especially in this picture which I can not get enough of:

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksDR05.JPG

jbrownsjr

09-20-2004, 11:43 AM

Christine is the only one that has sort of dropped weight. She looked kind of swollen in the Mirage and "Christine McVie" solo) days. While Stevie was very thin in those days. When I saw Christine during the Dance, I couldn't believe how good she looked.

Of course Stevie was gaining in the late 80's. Then shedding in the 90's.

David

09-20-2004, 12:05 PM

I'm at risk of starting an all-out war with this comment... but Stevie said in some interview (I wish I remembered) that 9/11 aged her about ten years.Maybe it did. I really loved how youthful & funky she was during the press for "Street Angel." She did a series of interviews on radio (Jim Ladd, WNEW, Museum of TV & Radio, Mark & Brian, etc.) & she was a real pistol. She had it all back for that short time. I guess, as we've learned in retrospect, she wasn't all that pleased with her then-recently finished album, but she was dying to get on the road & was quite the dickens, playing her keyboard & singing along on all these radio shows, joshing around with callers & DJs, etc. I hadn't heard her be quite so fun since 1986.

That was a personality high point for Stevie. Otherwise, she's been fairly morose.

David

09-20-2004, 12:10 PM

Of course Stevie was gaining in the late 80's.Stevie's weight gain was really weird & abrupt. It happened in 1985. She played the club date with Les Dudek in April or May 1985, & based on the photos looked just great (much like her Wild Heart Tour self), but by the time she played Tom Petty's show in Tempe in July & the benefits in September, she was markedly overweight. The lady next to me at the Los Angeles benefit even said (into my recording equipment): "Didn't she put a little weight on?"

From that point on, she never looked like the girl on the cover of "Bella Donna" again. Although there's another anomaly: the early part of the tour in 1990. How did Stevie look like an aerobics instructor again from the waist down (even if it only lasted for a few months)?

dissention

09-20-2004, 12:13 PM

Maybe it did. I really loved how youthful & funky she was during the press for "Street Angel." She did a series of interviews on radio (Jim Ladd, WNEW, Museum of TV & Radio, Mark & Brian, etc.) & she was a real pistol. She had it all back for that short time. I guess, as we've learned in retrospect, she wasn't all that pleased with her then-recently finished album, but she was dying to get on the road & was quite the dickens, playing her keyboard & singing along on all these radio shows, joshing around with callers & DJs, etc. I hadn't heard her be quite so fun since 1986.

That was a personality high point for Stevie. Otherwise, she's been fairly morose.

I agree 100%. Some of those radio shows are classics. The Mark and Brian one is Stevie at her most playful. And the John Boy and Billy show cracks me up. They're so rude and she plays with it completely. :nod: She was great back then.

Serrart

09-20-2004, 12:19 PM

Maybe it did. I really loved how youthful & funky she was during the press for "Street Angel." She did a series of interviews on radio (Jim Ladd, WNEW, Museum of TV & Radio, Mark & Brian, etc.) & she was a real pistol. She had it all back for that short time. I guess, as we've learned in retrospect, she wasn't all that pleased with her then-recently finished album, but she was dying to get on the road & was quite the dickens, playing her keyboard & singing along on all these radio shows, joshing around with callers & DJs, etc. I hadn't heard her be quite so fun since 1986.

That was a personality high point for Stevie. Otherwise, she's been fairly morose.

I haven't heard all those, but the 1994 Mark & Brian interview was really great, especially the Greta part. Some others more recent that I liked a lot are Letterman 1998, 2001 and on Destiny Rules her humour is one of the highlights, IMO.

Romy

jbrownsjr

09-20-2004, 12:34 PM

I have heard her and her posse on the Jim Ladd show so many times. And those interviews were wild! They sounded high. :o

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 12:38 PM

Stevie's weight gain was really weird & abrupt. It happened in 1985. She played the club date with Les Dudek in April or May 1985, & based on the photos looked just great (much like her Wild Heart Tour self), but by the time she played Tom Petty's show in Tempe in July & the benefits in September, she was markedly overweight. The lady next to me at the Los Angeles benefit even said (into my recording equipment): "Didn't she put a little weight on?"

From that point on, she never looked like the girl on the cover of "Bella Donna" again. Although there's another anomaly: the early part of the tour in 1990. How did Stevie look like an aerobics instructor again from the waist down (even if it only lasted for a few months)?

I know - I thought the same on this tour. I'd see them one night and then two or so weeks later she'd look larger. It was really weird. But, she has a tiny frame and she has said if she eats one wrong thing - watch out :laugh:

David

09-20-2004, 01:43 PM

I have heard her and her posse on the Jim Ladd show so many times. And those interviews were wild! They sounded high. :oEverybody was high in those days. A big CD-R compilation of all the Jim Ladd interviews would be a cool idea. As far as I know, Stevie did the following:

1976 with Fleetwood Mac
1979 alone (Fleetwood Mac two-parter)
1981 alone
1982 with Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood Mac two-parter)
1983 alone (solo two-parter)
1985 phone call to Phoenix
1986 alone
1994 alone
1998 alone (with two rehearsal songs)

I was the one who taped both the '83 "Afterview" thing & the '85 phone call for fans' collections. Any more Jim Ladd on-air stuff?

gldstwmn

09-20-2004, 02:25 PM

I have heard her and her posse on the Jim Ladd show so many times. And those interviews were wild! They sounded high. :o

Especially the Rock A Little one. It makes no sense whatsoever. :confused:

The Tower

09-20-2004, 03:25 PM

And then my favorite SYW tour picture was taken just a few nights latter! So obviously, just like everyone else she takes great pictures and bad pictures:

http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksJanineRaleigh03.jpg

I think she looks kinda pregnant in this picture. But since it can't be that, maybe it's just a beer belly. :laugh: :laugh:

sparky

09-20-2004, 03:28 PM

I think she looks kinda pregnant in this picture. But since it can't be that, maybe it's just a beer belly. :laugh: :laugh:

OMG. And the wrath of the true chiffon heads shall rain down upon thee.

Forget me saying you are full of P & V.

You're spitting rusty railroad spikes. :lol:

dissention

09-20-2004, 03:28 PM

I think she looks kinda pregnant in this picture. But since it can't be that, maybe it's just a beer belly. :laugh: :laugh:

She always struck me as an Amstel Light kind of gal. Maybe that's what she's doing at the mic; she's not singing, she's belching. No wonder she sounds so deep!

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 03:40 PM

I think she looks kinda pregnant in this picture. But since it can't be that, maybe it's just a beer belly. :laugh: :laugh:OUCH!!!!! :laugh:

She is larger and she has a tummy - but I LOVE her anyway!!!!!!

amber

09-20-2004, 04:11 PM

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:16 PM

Toured as much? Danced as hard? hmmmmmm....I dunno......
AMber

Shall I list all of her tours? With Blondie, the Jazz Passengers, and solo? Her current one has been ongoing since '02.

AND - Miss Debbie not only did coke, pills, and booze, she was a heroin addict. :shocked: :(

amber

09-20-2004, 04:19 PM

I'm not arguing that her makeup on 'Live In Boston' isn't thick, simply that it's stage makeup, and stage makeup IS thick by design. It's meant to compensate for things such as pale complexions and harsh lighting (and people sitting a few hundred feet from the stage).

As far as post-production touch-ups enhancing her appearance... well, I don't doubt that either. But I also don't think it's as extensive as people make it out to be. More than likely done to even skin-tones, etc.

Stevie may be vain like the rest of us, but I just can't imagine her pushing for millions of dollars worth of re-touches... which is what it would cost to extensively re-touch a feature length concert like 'The Dance' or a feature-length documentary like 'Destiny Rules.'

I'm not saying that I don't think some scenes here and there aren't re-touched (I mean, it IS obvious, for Pete's sake)... just that I certainly don't feel it was done to the extent that is sometimes claimed. :shrug:

And, I don't care what anyone says... here's an un-retouched candid photo where she's wearing low-key makeup, and this is a beautiful woman....

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksJanineAHIAfter02.jpg
um, ok, but didn't she have an entire video scrapped and re-shot because it made her arms look fat??
AMber

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:20 PM

Shall I list all of her tours? With Blondie, the Jazz Passengers, and solo? Her current one has been ongoing since '02.

AND - Miss Debbie not only did coke, pills, and booze, she was a heroin addict. :shocked: :(
True - but she had a hiatus for awhile while caring for the, I believe, guitar player. AND - if it is worth anything, her later concerts were far smaller than anything Stevie just about ever did. I can remember in like 1982 or 83 for the Island of Lost Souls (ONE OF MY FAV.'S) tour came to Baton Rouge, LA and the place was pretty much empty or at least it seemed that way because sections had no one in them. BUT - La Harry and crewe gave a GREAT show despite it!!!!!!!

AND - let us not forget La Nicks toured with Fritz and as BN - which takes us back to like 1970 :shrug: Thus, I am unsure if La Harry can claim mor road time, but it is possible :shrug:

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:21 PM

um, ok, but didn't she have an entire video scrapped and re-shot because it made her arms look fat??
AMber

:lol:

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good one. :xoxo:

jbrownsjr

09-20-2004, 04:21 PM

Everybody was high in those days. A big CD-R compilation of all the Jim Ladd interviews would be a cool idea. As far as I know, Stevie did the following:

1976 with Fleetwood Mac
1979 alone (Fleetwood Mac two-parter)
1981 alone
1982 with Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood Mac two-parter)
1983 alone (solo two-parter)
1985 phone call to Phoenix
1986 alone
1994 alone
1998 alone (with two rehearsal songs)

I was the one who taped both the '83 "Afterview" thing & the '85 phone call for fans' collections. Any more Jim Ladd on-air stuff?

David,

I remember one where he was on her couch and Lori and Sharon were there with her. The were trying to speak French, i.e. enchanted. I was really young at the time.

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:22 PM

I do not think we are being fair to Stevie. She knows youth sells - period. So, of course she is, rightfully IMO, pusing for the retouches. But, people I guess will never see it that way :shrug:

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:24 PM

True - but she had a hiatus for awhile while caring for the, I believe, guitar player. AND - if it is worth anything, her later concerts were far smaller than anything Stevie just about ever did. I can remember in like 1982 or 83 for the Island of Lost Souls (ONE OF MY FAV.'S) tour came to Baton Rouge, LA and the place was pretty much empty or at least it seemed that way because sections had no one in them. BUT - La Harry and crewe gave a GREAT show despite it!!!!!!!

I didn't know that we were discussing tour attendance. :shrug: I don't think the size of the venue has much to do with how much someone tours and long they do it for.

As for the hiatus, it was three years. ;) No longer than Stevie's between Timespace and Street Angel. Or Street Angel and The Dance.

On another note - I have been listening to War Child all week; I can't get enough of it. :laugh: SUCH a fantastic song.

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:25 PM

AND - let us not forget La Nicks toured with Fritz and as BN - which takes us back to like 1970 :shrug: Thus, I am unsure if La Harry can claim mor road time, but it is possible :shrug:

Yup. The Wind In the Willows and The Stilletoes, dating back to '66. :wavey:

amber

09-20-2004, 04:26 PM

Stevie's weight gain was really weird & abrupt. It happened in 1985. She played the club date with Les Dudek in April or May 1985, & based on the photos looked just great (much like her Wild Heart Tour self), but by the time she played Tom Petty's show in Tempe in July & the benefits in September, she was markedly overweight. The lady next to me at the Los Angeles benefit even said (into my recording equipment): "Didn't she put a little weight on?"

From that point on, she never looked like the girl on the cover of "Bella Donna" again. Although there's another anomaly: the early part of the tour in 1990. How did Stevie look like an aerobics instructor again from the waist down (even if it only lasted for a few months)?
I always kind of think of this as - A)She's almost 40 and B)Most people bloat up like the Dickens when they quit coke....
AMber

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:26 PM

I didn't know that we were discussing tour attendance. :shrug: I don't think the size of the venue has much to do with how much someone tours and long they do it for.

As for the hiatus, it was three years. ;) No longer than Stevie's between Timespace and Street Angel. Or Street Angel and The Dance.

On another note - I have been listening to War Child all week; I can't get enough of it. :laugh: SUCH a fantastic song.

I brought up size because it always matters :laugh: :rolleyes:

Seriously, I think it is more stressful to walk out in front of 10,000 than 500 to 1,000 - not to mention the televised stuff. That is where I was coming from with that - but other than that I cannot say it matters other than in rev., etc.

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:27 PM

Yup. The Wind In the Willows and The Stilletoes, dating back to '66. :wavey:

Debbie is THAT old - I never knew that :shrug: Mea Culpa!!!!:sorry:

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:28 PM

I do not think we are being fair to Stevie. She knows youth sells - period. So, of course she is, rightfully IMO, pusing for the retouches. But, people I guess will never see it that way :shrug:

I could care less if she has 'em done. If I looked like **** in some spots and could afford to have the shots retouched, I'd do it. :lol:

This whole discussion stems from whether Stevie is hot or not. I say not, but she's still a VERY beautiful woman. But don't show me a retooled photo or one where she has enough pancake make-up on to make IHOP jealous in order to prove how "hot" she is.

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:29 PM

Debbie is THAT old - I never knew that :shrug: Mea Culpa!!!!:sorry:

She's gonna be sixty next year. :eek: She doesn't look it, even without a face lift!

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:30 PM

True - retouches are dispositive of nothing IMO. But, some of those candid ones are pretty hot. I think to be hot, she would have to drop 20-25 pounds. But and again, if she is happy I am happy and I think she is still very beautiful - just not white hot like in the late 70's and early 80's - so be it.

We love you Stevie no matter what your weight!!!!!!! :xoxo:

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:31 PM

She's gonna be sixty next year. :eek: She doesn't look it, even without a face lift!

I thought she looked pretty haggard without the lift, esp. around Maria (WHICH I LOVE!!!!) - but she has lead quite a life and looks great for her age IMO !!!!!!

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:32 PM

I brought up size because it always matters :laugh: :rolleyes:

It's not the size of the ship that counts, it's the motion of the ocean. :angel:

Seriously, I think it is more stressful to walk out in front of 10,000 than 500 to 1,000 - not to mention the televised stuff. That is where I was coming from with that - but other than that I cannot say it matters other than in rev., etc.

I think it depends on your level of comfort. If you have stage fright and a lack of self-confidence, it doesn't matter if it's four people or forty thousand people. :) Plus, it helps if you're coked out of your gourd. :lol: j/k

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:34 PM

. . . Plus, it helps if you're coked out of your gourd. :lol: j/k

It does tend to give false confidence!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

dissention

09-20-2004, 04:36 PM

I thought she looked pretty haggard without the lift, esp. around Maria (WHICH I LOVE!!!!) - but she has lead quite a life and looks great for her age IMO !!!!!!

I thought she looked gorgeous around the time of Maria for some reason. It was only about a year after it died down that she started looking quite haggard, but still not in her late fifties, IMO.

For a true measure of how hot Deb was in '99, watch the "Blondie Live" DVD. No retouches or anything and she looked smokin'. :nod:

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 04:40 PM

I thought she looked gorgeous around the time of Maria for some reason. It was only about a year after it died down that she started looking quite haggard, but still not in her late fifties, IMO.

For a true measure of how hot Deb was in '99, watch the "Blondie Live" DVD. No retouches or anything and she looked smokin'. :nod:

She always had that kind of smoky look - Pat Benatar had it as well - it was kind of a tough chick look.

amber

09-20-2004, 04:45 PM

I thought she looked gorgeous around the time of Maria for some reason. It was only about a year after it died down that she started looking quite haggard, but still not in her late fifties, IMO.

For a true measure of how hot Deb was in '99, watch the "Blondie Live" DVD. No retouches or anything and she looked smokin'. :nod:
I thought she looked good around Maria - But when I saw her after her lift and weight loss on Will & Grace, I was unpleasantly shocked - thought she looked like a cadaver-head - I hope she's uh, settled in a little bit better since then...
AMber

David R

09-20-2004, 04:45 PM

I'm glad Stevie can still sing and still sounds good doing it...

I guess it was about time for another thread about Stevie's looks... ha.

dissention

09-20-2004, 05:47 PM

I thought she looked good around Maria - But when I saw her after her lift and weight loss on Will & Grace, I was unpleasantly shocked - thought she looked like a cadaver-head - I hope she's uh, settled in a little bit better since then...
AMber

She was on Will and Grace? I didn't know that. Now I want to see it. :laugh:

Did you see her on Live By Request in May? She certainly did settle in and looked gorgeous !!!!!!!!

amber

09-20-2004, 06:05 PM

She was on Will and Grace? I didn't know that. Now I want to see it. :laugh:

Did you see her on Live By Request in May? She certainly did settle in and looked gorgeous !!!!!!!!
Didn't see - but yeah, her cheekbones and eyesockets - bleah, it was just too tight and skinny and you know how her cheekbones are - she really looked crappy, I thought....

dissention

09-20-2004, 06:08 PM

Didn't see - but yeah, her cheekbones and eyesockets - bleah, it was just too tight and skinny and you know how her cheekbones are - she really looked crappy, I thought....

She has Faye Dunaway cheekbones, love them!

I have a huge hardcover book called "Picture This" and it's just a photos of Debbie taken by Mick Rock from the seventies up to now. It comes with a DVD of their last photo session. You should check it out and see if the library has it, it's great. :D

amber

09-20-2004, 06:30 PM

She has Faye Dunaway cheekbones, love them!

I have a huge hardcover book called "Picture This" and it's just a photos of Debbie taken by Mick Rock from the seventies up to now. It comes with a DVD of their last photo session. You should check it out and see if the library has it, it's great. :D

You told me about that, and I saw it in Barnes n Noble like, a week ago - but there was plastic covering it...I mean, not that i'm not stronger than plastic, but it seemed kinda rude to rip it off. It was 32 bucks...which was way to much at the time - and i don't have a DVD player. I did want it, though....we'll see. I usually love her and Faye Dunaway's cheekbones, like crazy, but i swear, she was tooooo thin & to tight, and i think she had all this black makeup around her eyes....bleah...I dunno, whatever it was, I hope it never happens again.
Amber

dissention

09-20-2004, 06:37 PM

You told me about that, and I saw it in Barnes n Noble like, a week ago - but there was plastic covering it...I mean, not that i'm not stronger than plastic, but it seemed kinda rude to rip it off. It was 32 bucks...which was way to much at the time - and i don't have a DVD player. I did want it, though....we'll see. I usually love her and Faye Dunaway's cheekbones, like crazy, but i swear, she was tooooo thin & to tight, and i think she had all this black makeup around her eyes....bleah...I dunno, whatever it was, I hope it never happens again.
Amber

LOL I was in Barnes and Noble on Saturday and saw the huge display for it (I've had it for a few months, I wonder what took them so long to set up the display!). I asked the manager what he does with all the posters and stuff once the display is taken down and he said they are just thrown out, so I got him to take my number and save the BIG poster for me when the display is taken apart. :laugh:

Another great book is "Blondie: From Punk To Present," that sucker's HUUUUUUUUGE.

Johnny Stew

09-20-2004, 07:02 PM

um, ok, but didn't she have an entire video scrapped and re-shot because it made her arms look fat??

Some say it was scrapped because she felt she looked fat. Others say it was scrapped because the record company plain didn't like it, and wanted a dance-oriented video for a dance-oriented song.

So who can say?

Either way, scrapping a video that cost a few thousand dollars is a little different than demanding extensive digital re-touching, which would cost millions. :shrug:

strandinthewind

09-20-2004, 07:14 PM

Some say it was scrapped because she felt she looked fat. Others say it was scrapped because the record company plain didn't like it, and wanted a dance-oriented video for a dance-oriented song.

So who can say?

Either way, scrapping a video that cost a few thousand dollars is a little different than demanding extensive digital re-touching, which would cost millions. :shrug:

and then you have to wonder if La Nicks made the final decision at all because she mentioned the video in the Molly Meldrum interview in 1986 in Australia. If she did not like it or was embarrassed by it, why would she bring it up :shrug: Also, she looks STUNNING in it BTW :cool: Here is an excerpt:
_____________________________________________________

Molly: I've got to argue here, the live performance is important, however there is a million, and millions out there watching video so they might not see Stevie. Stevie could be in England…

Stevie: Alright, but I'm making the videos too now, which is something I don't like to do…

Molly: That's what I'm saying, with Stand Back, its such an unbelievable simple video which defied all over the top costs

Stevie: Right, and then of course in complete confidence over international Australian TV I should tell you about the first "Stand Back" which I did my own horseback riding [laughs] and was like, you know, incredible to a point, but it wasn't right, and I freaked out and I said Fleetwood Mac didn't have to make videos to sell records so at this point I said take it back. And I did, I re-did Stand Back with Geoffrey Horneby (sp?) who choreographed Flash Dance, now you have to know this sent me into waves of panic because I am not a dancer and I am certainly not like "whats-her-name" in Flash Dance. So I am afraid. And I make this video right, and I have my kind of gang of dancers who are all going like this [looks over shoulder] and it's wonderful, and I meet this guy named Brad who choreographs all my videos to this day and who puts up with a lot from me because he knows that I'm sweet and he doesn't want to hurt my feelings, you know. Its like, its difficult because I'm a rock'n'roll singer, I'm a ROCK'N'ROLL SINGER!

Molly: I know that!

Stevie: I'm not a model, I am not an actress, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be able to model for vogue!
_____________________________________________________________

http://www.nicksfix.com/meldrum1986.htm

It is a FASCINATING interview and if you have not read it, I highly rec. it. I have it on video!!!!!

diamondsnake

09-20-2004, 08:41 PM

dissention

09-21-2004, 12:13 PM

dissention

09-21-2004, 12:17 PM

Okay what? Is it a good thing that she did more drugs then Stevie?

Yeah, Christopher, it's a good thing that she did more drugs than Stevie. :rolleyes:

No, the point being made was that Stevie is not the only woman in rock with a lot of miles on her. There are others who did just as much drugs, toured just as much, "danced as much," and recorded just as much with abundant amounts of energy and who don't hobble across the stage.

If you ask me, I think the reason Stevie is so dull lately is because of menopause. I can't imagine how excruciating an experience like that is to begin with, but it must be ten times as aggravating going through it on the road. Hot flashes and "Stand Back" moves do not mix. :laugh:

dissention

09-21-2004, 12:22 PM

and then you have to wonder if La Nicks made the final decision at all because she mentioned the video in the Molly Meldrum interview in 1986 in Australia. If she did not like it or was embarrassed by it, why would she bring it up :shrug:

Why would she bring it up? Because she was probably high. :laugh: Who knows! But she says in the interview that she's the one who sent it back because "it wasn't right." :shrug: Surely she was a big enough star at that point to make such demands. We have no clue what wasn't right about it. Maybe it was the theme, maybe it was her arms. :laugh:

Stevie: Right, and then of course in complete confidence over international Australian TV I should tell you about the first "Stand Back" which I did my own horseback riding [laughs] and was like, you know, incredible to a point, but it wasn't right, and I freaked out and I said Fleetwood Mac didn't have to make videos to sell records so at this point I said take it back. And I did, I re-did Stand Back with Geoffrey Horneby (sp?) who choreographed Flash Dance, now you have to know this sent me into waves of panic because I am not a dancer and I am certainly not like "whats-her-name" in Flash Dance. So I am afraid. And I make this video right, and I have my kind of gang of dancers who are all going like this [looks over shoulder] and it's wonderful, and I meet this guy named Brad who choreographs all my videos to this day and who puts up with a lot from me because he knows that I'm sweet and he doesn't want to hurt my feelings, you know. Its like, its difficult because I'm a rock'n'roll singer, I'm a ROCK'N'ROLL SINGER!

sparky

09-21-2004, 12:29 PM

I hardly think that the Civil War version of Stand Back cost "a few thousand dollars." ....No one has said that "extensive digital re-touching" occurred, just that some was. And it does NOT cost millions to do most re-touching. It did in the dark ages of cinema computer technology, not so today.

If I recall correctly, I think the scrapped video cost 65 grand. Not a lot of money today, but 20 years ago it was a high price for a video. It was a goofy video anyway. It is interesting as a historical artifact, but it was completely wrong for the song. The reshot one was much more fitting. And certainly has camp value as well. Those Flashback dancers ! The treadmill ! Priceless. I love it.

Digital retouching isn't all that expensive, unless you are inserting CG shots, and the like. They basically do it with something like a photoshop program. It isn't cheap, but it isn't millions, no. It's gotten much more reasonable, and it's not like they got an entire hour of footage retouched. Probably 15 -18 minutes total. I'd eyeball that cost at 20k, maybe. Pocket change, even if it came out Stevie's own velvet purse.

strandinthewind

09-21-2004, 12:38 PM

If I recall correctly, I think the scrapped video cost 65 grand. Not a lot of money today, but 20 years ago it was a high price for a video. It was a goofy video anyway. It is interesting as a historical artifact, but it was completely wrong for the song. The reshot one was much more fitting. And certainly has camp value as well. Those Flashback dancers ! The treadmill ! Priceless. I love it.

It is also fitting to point out, I think, that video was in its late infancy then. Many bands, as evidenced by La Nicks' comments as well as other comments she hmade in that interview that are not in the pront article, felt that video was "beneath" them - but they realized its power at the same time. Many bands also did live concert shoots as their video a la Sara, etc. (although those were right before the video revolution). The "concept" video, a la Hold Me, Gypsy, etc., was considered a new being on its own and was still being, if you will, fleshed out AND Stevie probably went through several story boards until she found one that worked and then did not like the end result, which could have been due to editing, the way she looked, theme, etc.

Interestingly and since Mirage, FM has done both themeatic and concept since video came out.

amber

09-21-2004, 02:55 PM

and then you have to wonder if La Nicks made the final decision at all because she mentioned the video in the Molly Meldrum interview in 1986 in Australia. If she did not like it or was embarrassed by it, why would she bring it up :shrug: Also, she looks STUNNING in it BTW :cool: Here is an excerpt:
_____________________________________________________
It is a FASCINATING interview and if you have not read it, I highly rec. it. I have it on video!!!!!
Cool - Can I get it on video, too? But I actually didn't think it was the Stand Back video that was scrapped cause her arms looked fat - thought it was a later one, so....
AMber

EveryHour

09-21-2004, 07:11 PM

OMG, watch the Destiny Rules DVD closely and you'll see just why she looks so great when it appears that she doesn't have much make-up on. The touch ups and lens filters were not made discreet! Specifically, watch the Goodbye Baby part where she looks stunning and gorgeous.

Perhaps.:shrug: But there's still the EFO part...she clearly has no makeup on and I don't see any evidence of tricky lenses there. And, again, back to the fact that she's always shown her barefaced self through the years in tourbook candids. Yes, we have all seen other candids of her without makeup, but these are ones that she obviously knew we would see. It's just not a big deal that different "levels" of makeup are required for different situations. Sure, she might be more vain about her makeup in certain situations, but she's entitled to and it's not like she's so rediculously vain that she absolutely won't be seen without it. (I pay close attention to these things and admire those who are regarded as "beautiful" and let people see reality, because I only have about 2 vain bones in my body and extreme vanity can get on my nerves easily.:))

EveryHour

09-21-2004, 07:17 PM

I'm glad Stevie can still sing and still sounds good doing it...

I guess it was about time for another thread about Stevie's looks... ha.

It's inevitable, isn't it? :distress:

I suppose it would make for some less interesting reading (less feuds ;) ) if such threads did not exist, but I admire your ability to not get caught up in it!

EveryHour

09-21-2004, 07:39 PM

Frankly IMO Mick looks better than he ever has, I find him pretty sexy these days. :)

-Lis

I'm personally not attracted to Mick per se, but I do think he looks great (and I'm 25). Sure, I'd be interested to see him without the ponytail, but it's "so him" and I know he'll never change it so I can deal. I don't know why everyone ranks on his appearance so much...I was astounded to see what good shape he's in when he took of his shirt in Destiny Rules. Even my boyfriend said "How old is he?! He looks great for his age!" He definitely looks better than ever. Amazing what a "clean" lifestyle and chasing around twin babies can do!

EveryHour

09-21-2004, 07:41 PM

Or if Stevie ever thinks about Mick "how did I ever bang this guy" now that he's bald?

Gail

I know this wasn't your point, but I believe he already balding when they were together?

kak125

09-21-2004, 08:28 PM

I just have to say that I think Stevie looks great for her age and what she has been through. If I can look half that decent at her age then I will be very happy. She has that something about her that she can light up a room with a smile. She is beautiful with or without makeup. She also looks way thinner without those gawdy dresses on. In the Destiny Rules video you can tell she isnt heavy at all but when you see her on stage she has so many layers on that it adds weight. She could be a size 2 or a size 22 and she still would be hot to me. I also have to say that I think Debbie Harry looks terrible. I dont think she has aged nearly as well as Stevie. I dont know what it is but she scares me to see her now.

sparky

09-21-2004, 08:56 PM

I know this wasn't your point, but I believe he already balding when they were together?

Bald guys can be totally hot. Mick doesn't do anything for me, but hair does not make the man.

diamondsnake

09-21-2004, 09:09 PM

I don't think Debbie looks all that either. I took a peek on their official website when Dissention said that Debbie was sexy and Stevie wasn't and I completely disagree.

heyjupiter678

09-21-2004, 10:50 PM

I don't think Debbie looks all that either.
I agree. Debbie's an awesome lady and she looks great for almost 60, but I certainly wouldn't consider her "hot."

http://www.uri-geller.com/gallery/pics/jan04/Blondie.jpg
http://www.dazzledancers.com/blondie/ (warning: nudity)

:shrug:

dissention

09-22-2004, 10:46 AM

I don't think Debbie looks all that either. I took a peek on their official website when Dissention said that Debbie was sexy and Stevie wasn't and I completely disagree.

You obviously didn't read my post, kid, or the one where Sparky explained exactly why she's sexy.

Being "sexy" and "hot" is not all about how someone's face looks. You're quite young, but I can guarantee you that you'll learn this when you're older.

dissention

09-22-2004, 10:49 AM

I agree. Debbie's an awesome lady and she looks great for almost 60, but I certainly wouldn't consider her "hot."

http://www.uri-geller.com/gallery/pics/jan04/Blondie.jpg
http://www.dazzledancers.com/blondie/ (warning: nudity)

:shrug:

I see, I see. When someone posts a picture of Stevie looking quite dumpy, the excuse is that it's a bad picture with bad lighting, etc. But when it comes to anyone else, post the worst pics imaginable and they will form the barometer by which they will be measured. ;) :laugh:

I saw a partial video of that Dazzle Dancers concert and it is HYSTERICAL. :lol:

heyjupiter678

09-22-2004, 12:19 PM

I see, I see. When someone posts a picture of Stevie looking quite dumpy, the excuse is that it's a bad picture with bad lighting, etc. But when it comes to anyone else, post the worst pics imaginable and they will form the barometer by which they will be measured. ;) :laugh:
So, the bad pictures of Stevie are supposed to form the barometer by which she's measured?

I posted that first pic because you were talking about Stevie without her makeup. Well, there's Debbie without hers, and you call it one of the "worst pics imaginable." My feelings exactly. :laugh: ;)

And someone said that Stevie needed to lose 30 pounds (!!) but in reference to Debbie, said that she'd merely "thickened up." Please. I don't know exactly when the Dazzle Dancers concert happened, but she's clearly bigger than Stevie in those pictures . . . and she's not under layers of clothing. :shrug:

It's all subjective. You think Debbie's hot; I don't. I think Stevie's hot; you don't. Big deal.

The thing is, everyone takes bad pictures sometimes. Especially when the camera is at your feet, pointed up. :nod:

dissention

09-22-2004, 01:08 PM

So, the bad pictures of Stevie are supposed to form the barometer by which she's measured?

No, not at all. As I've said numerous times, she's a very beautiful woman. She just needs lot of make-up. I submit that the same is probably true for Debbie.

And someone said that Stevie needed to lose 30 pounds (!!) but in reference to Debbie, said that she'd merely "thickened up." Please. I don't know exactly when the Dazzle Dancers concert happened, but she's clearly bigger than Stevie in those pictures . . . and she's not under layers of clothing. :shrug:

Bigger than Stevie?! I don't like to really talk about the weight of either woman because I find it tacky, but c'mon. Stevie looks like she had the backside of a Mack truck blasted onto her ass. :laugh: Debbie is no skinny mini, but she's certainly lost a lot of weight in recent years and is looking more slimmer than Miss Nicks. A&E had an episode of Biography for her last month and from the live footage they aired, Deb can pull off wearing only bloomers onstage even at 59. :laugh: Unfortunately, she only wore a tight skirt at my last concert. :laugh:

The thing is, everyone takes bad pictures sometimes. Especially when the camera is at your feet, pointed up. :nod:

Of course, I agree. But as I said earlier in this thread, don't show me photos of someone with four inches of pancake mix on their face and tell me how "hot" they are. (Note: I'm not saying you did this, I'm just making a statement. :cool: )

Serrart

09-22-2004, 01:28 PM

Sorry Heyjupiter, what kind of concert was that exactly? Just curious ;) .

By the way, I think Stevie is a very beautiful, talented and intelligent woman with a lot of class and a great spirit :cool:, a mixture that is extremely rare at every age. In my opinion she should stop worrying so much to disappoint her fans and feel free to write, sing, eat and wear everything she likes. :nod:

Romy

HomerMcvie

09-22-2004, 01:44 PM

http://www.uri-geller.com/gallery/pics/jan04/Blondie.jpg
I'm not trying to be mean, but this pic just scared the hell out of me! :shrug:

heyjupiter678

09-22-2004, 02:10 PM

Bigger than Stevie?!In those pictures, yes.

I don't like to really talk about the weight of either woman because I find it tacky, but c'mon. Stevie looks like she had the backside of a Mack truck blasted onto her ass. :laugh:
:laugh: You're so bad. :xoxo:

Debbie is no skinny mini, but she's certainly lost a lot of weight in recent years and is looking more slimmer than Miss Nicks. A&E had an episode of Biography for her last month and from the live footage they aired, Deb can pull off wearing only bloomers onstage even at 59. :laugh: Unfortunately, she only wore a tight skirt at my last concert. :laugh:
I don't follow her career, so I'm not up-to-date on her looks. Those Dazzle Dancers pics look fairly recent, though. What year was that concert? Anyway, congrats to her if she's slimmed down. But would you really want to see her on stage wearing only bloomers?? :shocked: :laugh:

heyjupiter678

09-22-2004, 02:12 PM

Sorry Heyjupiter, what kind of concert was that exactly? Just curious ;) .
Hell if I know. :laugh:

By the way, I think Stevie is a very beautiful, talented and intelligent woman with a lot of class and a great spirit :cool:, a mixture that is extremely rare at every age. In my opinion she should stop worrying so much to disappoint her fans and feel free to write, sing, eat and wear everything she likes. :nod:

Romy
I couldn't agree more. :nod:

sparky

09-22-2004, 02:26 PM

And someone said that Stevie needed to lose 30 pounds (!!) but in reference to Debbie, said that she'd merely "thickened up."

That would be ME who said that about the 30 pounds. It was in response to Christopher's question asking about what was making Stevie look matronly.
I haven't gotten her on a scale, but I can see that the much ballyhooed "thirty pounds" she talked about losing in The Dance era are mostly back home to roost. And as I said earlier - So What ? Being more than 5 or 10 pounds over one's ideal body weight tends to make anyone look a little dumpy. And clothes can add to the effect, as can the way one carries the weight. I knew merely mentioning the fact would rile the hell out of some people. But, Christopher asked, I answered.

That would also be me who said "thickened up" about DH. I am not a big follower of DH, but in my limited exposure to her lately, I noticed she had gained some weight. Also a fact. I think thickened up is fairly polite, no ? It's not like a said she was a fat sow. Then again, I wouldn't say that about Stevie either.

Please. I don't know exactly when the Dazzle Dancers concert happened, but she's clearly bigger than Stevie in those pictures . . . and she's not under layers of clothing. :shrug

Considering this all started out from Christopher's question, and then morphed into a comparison of the relative "hot" factor of these two women, people are bound to differ. I guess "bigger" is subjective and will differ too. It isn't about bigger though. It's about the vibe someone sends off. On the SA tour, I couldn't see WHAT the hell was going on under Stevie's smocks, but she was commanding, vibrant, and on some nights, a ball of fire. I have seen Ann Wilson kick serious butt when her butt was as big as a Mini Cooper. It's really about attitude. And the right attitude can make an audience not even notice how big your ass is. Maybe even ignore your schlumpy shoes.

:laugh:

dissention

09-22-2004, 02:39 PM

:laugh: You're so bad. :xoxo:

I know, don't remind me. :xoxo: :laugh:

I don't follow her career, so I'm not up-to-date on her looks. Those Dazzle Dancers pics look fairly recent, though. What year was that concert? Anyway, congrats to her if she's slimmed down. But would you really want to see her on stage wearing only bloomers?? :shocked: :laugh:

That concert was a few years ago, 2000 I believe. :) And the A&E Biography did show her wearing only bloomers. :laugh: And she pulled it off, IMO.

dissention

09-22-2004, 02:40 PM

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 02:46 PM

Digital retouching isn't all that expensive, unless you are inserting CG shots, and the like. They basically do it with something like a photoshop program. It isn't cheap, but it isn't millions, no. It's gotten much more reasonable, and it's not like they got an entire hour of footage retouched. Probably 15 -18 minutes total. I'd eyeball that cost at 20k, maybe. Pocket change, even if it came out Stevie's own velvet purse.

My "millions" comment was an inflated estimate, I admit, but I know for a fact that it's still considered expensive enough that most filmmakers and studios try their absolute best to avoid it.

15-18 minutes of re-touching, at approximately 20K is one thing. But 65-85 minutes of re-touching, and you're looking at quite a large sum.

At any rate, I'm not saying it wasn't done at all. I just don't concur with the degree to which it's assumed it was done.

And I still insist that, in the video footage from local concerts shown on various TV stations throughout the US, Stevie looked even better than she did on 'The Dance.'
Same with their appearances on the Grammys and Letterman.

I highly doubt any of those were re-touched. And if they are able to re-touch a live broadcast as it's airing (the Grammys), thenI'm mighty impressed. ;) :)

dissention

09-22-2004, 02:53 PM

My "millions" comment was an inflated estimate, I admit, but I know for a fact that it's still considered expensive enough that most filmmakers and studios try their absolute best to avoid it.

15-18 minutes of re-touching, at approximately 20K is one thing. But 65-85 minutes of re-touching, and you're looking at quite a large sum.

At any rate, I'm not saying it wasn't done at all. I just don't concur with the degree to which it's assumed it was done.

Inflated? Try ridiculous, Le Stew. ;) If you can name a filmed concert or movie in the past ten years that has had "millions" of "extensive" retouching done to the singer or actor in order to freshen them up, I'll eat my socks. And even at an hour and a half, you still won't be paying millions.

No one said that she had an extreme amount of retouching done. :shrug: I know that I said there was a lot of reotuching done on The Dance, but I certainly don't believe she had the exorbitant amount done that you seem to think I do. :laugh: The majority of it was soft lenses.

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 02:58 PM

Considering this all started out from Christopher's question, and then morphed into a comparison of the relative "hot" factor of these two women, people are bound to differ. I guess "bigger" is subjective and will differ too. It isn't about bigger though. It's about the vibe someone sends off. On the SA tour, I couldn't see WHAT the hell was going on under Stevie's smocks, but she was commanding, vibrant, and on some nights, a ball of fire. I have seen Ann Wilson kick serious butt when her butt was as big as a Mini Cooper. It's really about attitude. And the right attitude can make an audience not even notice how big your ass is. Maybe even ignore your schlumpy shoes.

I agree.
However... I still disagree with the opinion that Stevie isn't "sexy" anymore.

I think her demeanor and attitude ARE sexy.
The way she dresses is matronly, most definitely... but her movements are still graceful and commanding. She remains a captivating performer, even when she's not doing her little "Gold And Braid" boogie-dance, or thrashing her head up and down ala the 'Red Rocks' "Stand Back."

Her whole vibe is sexy to me.

Debbie is not someone I've ever been fond of on stage. I like her music, but she's never captivated me as a live performer.
In the early days, she just stood there, expressionless. No gestures. Nothing.

Thankfully she moves around these days, but she still seems awkward and lumbering to me. And it has nothing to do with her weight.

In photographs, she can be sexy... but on stage, she does nothing for me.

Now, Ann Wilson is a VERY different story. That woman puts out so much energy, it's mind-blowing. She moves with grace AND energy.

(Oh, and unfortunately the right attitude doesn't "make an audience not even notice how big your ass is"... otherwise so much would never have been made about Ann Wilson's weight or Stevie's in 1994. :distress: )

heyjupiter678

09-22-2004, 02:59 PM

I haven't gotten her on a scale, but I can see that the much ballyhooed "thirty pounds" she talked about losing in The Dance era are mostly back home to roost. And as I said earlier - So What ? Being more than 5 or 10 pounds over one's ideal body weight tends to make anyone look a little dumpy. And clothes can add to the effect, as can the way one carries the weight. I knew merely mentioning the fact would rile the hell out of some people. But, Christopher asked, I answered.
I agree that Stevie could lose some weight, but 30 pounds? On someone her height, 10-15 pounds would make a huge difference. Wasn't she at 170 before she lost weight? There's no way she's even close to that these days, IMO.

That would also be me who said "thickened up" about DH. I am not a big follower of DH, but in my limited exposure to her lately, I noticed she had gained some weight. Also a fact. I think thickened up is fairly polite, no ? It's not like a said she was a fat sow. Then again, I wouldn't say that about Stevie either.
I wasn't saying that it was rude. Yes, it's fairly polite, as comments about a woman's weight go. :laugh: And I agree with the statement. I was just pointing out what I thought was a discrepancy in the way people were comparing Stevie to Debbie. That's all. :)

It's really about attitude. And the right attitude can make an audience not even notice how big your ass is. Maybe even ignore your schlumpy shoes.

:laugh:
Nah, even the right attitude can't cover up the shoes. :distress: I don't know how Stevie was on the SA tour. I've only seen her in concert twice - once during the TISL tour and once during this latest tour. So, to me her attitude is fine. And she's still hot, subjectively speaking, of course. ;)

dissention

09-22-2004, 03:17 PM

I agree.
However... I still disagree with the opinion that Stevie isn't "sexy" anymore.

I think her demeanor and attitude ARE sexy.
The way she dresses is matronly, most definitely... but her movements are still graceful and commanding. She remains a captivating performer, even when she's not doing her little "Gold And Braid" boogie-dance, or thrashing her head up and down ala the 'Red Rocks' "Stand Back."

Her whole vibe is sexy to me.

My whole thing with Stevie is that I never really found her "sexy" to begin with, so the matronly garb hasn't done much to help. Beautiful, yes, but the vibe she gave off was never anything that I found sexy. It's too serious for me to get hot over. There have been moments where she's been quite sexy (Gold Dust Woman from the Dance, for example), but she has always come across as too demure and innocent, too doe-eyed and needy. I don't think her songs do much to help her seem any sexier; they project a very mythical aura that enrapture you so much in their messages that you don't really have enough room to think about her in a sexual way.

Sexy, to me, is playfulness, humor, and youthfulness. I think Stevie said it best in Silver Girl (bite me, I love that song) when she sang "Insane far beyond her years." I think that speaks about Stevie over the years; she was too wise and grown-up for her own good at times and, IMO, it made her seem much older than she really was. These days, even though she doesn't look 58 years of age, she projects that age in her actions, music, and appearance.

Debbie is not someone I've ever been fond of on stage. I like her music, but she's never captivated me as a live performer.
In the early days, she just stood there, expressionless. No gestures. Nothing.

I hate to disagree again, but I must. :laugh: She's always been a ball of energy who leaps across the stage, I don't know what you've seen. Clumsy at times, but that was part of the ditzy blonde character she played. One of my favorite clips is from Blondie's CBGB days where they were playing "Rip Her To Shreds." I thought she was having a seizure. And then the whole bit with biting off the heads of roses and spewing the petals into the crowd; that was soooooooo sexy to me. She oozed sexuality without hardly ever showing any skin. If you went back through all the old photos, she never showed lots of cleavage or shoulder or leg. She had an innocence to her, but it was a youthful innocence, not the chaste image that Stevie has projected for thirty years.

(Oh, and unfortunately the right attitude doesn't "make an audience not even notice how big your ass is"... otherwise so much would never have been made about Ann Wilson's weight or Stevie's in 1994. :distress: )

That was mostly the press, not the audience.

sparky

09-22-2004, 03:24 PM

I agree.
However... I still disagree with the opinion that Stevie isn't "sexy" anymore.
I think her demeanor and attitude ARE sexy.
Her whole vibe is sexy to me.

God bless ya for it, JS. Knock yourself out. Seeing as neither of us are straight, perhaps our opinions about which women are and are not sexy are pretty useless. LOL.

In the early days, she just stood there, expressionless. No gestures. Nothing.

Actually, I loved it. She seemed to be doing a whole "Warhol-I-am-so-bored-with-this" thing. I thought it pretty rebellious and revolutionary. She may have hardly put that much thought into it though. Maybe she was just tanked up on tons of drugs.

(Oh, and unfortunately the right attitude doesn't "make an audience not even notice how big your ass is"... otherwise so much would never have been made about Ann Wilson's weight or Stevie's in 1994. :distress:

Hmm...maybe yes, maybe no. I think during the era that both of them were dissed so much, they both sometimes seemed to be extremely self conscious in their movements. Ann had herself so corseted up in the late 80's and early 90's she could scarcely move, and was so big that her movement WAS constricted. Ditto Stevie, at certain times. Ann is still no skinny minnie after losing a bunch of weight, but after about a minute when I saw her last, I was so damned caught up in her energy, I didn't think about it. But then again, I wasn't checking her out sexually either. :laugh:

The Tower

09-22-2004, 03:29 PM

Bald guys can be totally hot. Mick doesn't do anything for me, but hair does not make the man.

Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That bald-guy look is SO mid-90's over! :eek: And for me, it was never in at all... :eek: I wouldn't necessarily say that hair makes the man, but that baldy/spitter persona thing is so nazty.

Anyways.... Yeah Stevie's fatter. I don't care whether or not she's fat, I just care whether or not she's awake onstage. I just didn't get anything from her on this last tour, with the exception of "Beautiful Child" and "Goodbye Baby"- and those two songs don't really apply.

I saw Heart live at the Greek Theatre in LA and was in the front row right in front of Ann Wilson and she really kicks ass. She's only two years younger than Stevie and the contrast between the two is amazing.

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.

The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

dissention

09-22-2004, 03:34 PM

Actually, I loved it. She seemed to be doing a whole "Warhol-I-am-so-bored-with-this" thing. I thought it pretty rebellious and revolutionary. She may have hardly put that much thought into it though. Maybe she was just tanked up on tons of drugs.

Remember when she was on Warhol's old TV show and he signed her pink and yellow military boots, then proclaimed them "art"? :laugh: Every time I want a pick-me-up, I just pop in that video.

I love that old photo of her, Warhol, Basquiat, and William Burroughs sitting on a couch together in Burroughs apartment. They all look so serious but so playful at the same time. What I wouldn't give to have been in that room with those four icons. New York royalty. :nod:

amber

09-22-2004, 03:35 PM

My whole thing with Stevie is that I never really found her "sexy" to begin with, so the matronly garb hasn't done much to help. Beautiful, yes, but the vibe she gave off was never anything that I found sexy. It's too serious for me to get hot over. There have been moments where she's been quite sexy (Gold Dust Woman from the Dance, for example), but she has always come across as too demure and innocent, too doe-eyed and needy. I don't think her songs do much to help her seem any sexier; they project a very mythical aura that enrapture you so much in their messages that you don't really have enough room to think about her in a sexual way.

Sexy, to me, is playfulness, humor, and youthfulness. I think Stevie said it best in Silver Girl (bite me, I love that song) when she sang "Insane far beyond her years." I think that speaks about Stevie over the years; she was too wise and grown-up for her own good at times and, IMO, it made her seem much older than she really was. These days, even though she doesn't look 58 years of age, she projects that age in her actions, music, and appearance.

I hate to disagree again, but I must. :laugh: She's always been a ball of energy who leaps across the stage, I don't know what you've seen. Clumsy at times, but that was part of the ditzy blonde character she played. One of my favorite clips is from Blondie's CBGB days where they were playing "Rip Her To Shreds." I thought she was having a seizure. And then the whole bit with biting off the heads of roses and spewing the petals into the crowd; that was soooooooo sexy to me. She oozed sexuality without hardly ever showing any skin. If you went back through all the old photos, she never showed lots of cleavage or shoulder or leg. She had an innocence to her, but it was a youthful innocence, not the chaste image that Stevie has projected for thirty years.

That was mostly the press, not the audience.

Wow, I exactly opposite disagree with you. I think Stevie is incredibly sexy, in fact i often think "how could one performer be so sexy and talented?" when i watch some of her videos. And I don't think she looks doe eyed or needy at all, I think she looks very intense and passionate. veeery intense...
And the few live performances i've seen of Debbie, she was ok, but she didn't project her performance that well (perhaps, also, she didn't have as good a cameraman as stevie always has :D ) even though the performance was pretty good. Also, she didn't dance or move that well on stage - some were better than others...And although Debbie is the most gorgeous woman ever, I didn't think in her live performaces or videos that she was as sexy as Stevie. Gorgeous, but not as sexy. And her eyes are more blank, they don't project as much passion and intensity as Stevie's...
IMO.... :wavey:
OH, and too me Stevie doesn't seem chaste at all - no matter what you think she tried to project, i'm seeing through that like clear glass on a sunny day...

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 03:37 PM

My whole thing with Stevie is that I never really found her "sexy" to begin with, so the matronly garb hasn't done much to help. Beautiful, yes, but the vibe she gave off was never anything that I found sexy. It's too serious for me to get hot over. There have been moments where she's been quite sexy (Gold Dust Woman from the Dance, for example), but she has always come across as too demure and innocent, too doe-eyed and needy.

Sexy, to me, is playfulness, humor, and youthfulness.

One of my favorite clips is from Blondie's CBGB days where they were playing "Rip Her To Shreds." I thought she was having a seizure. And then the whole bit with biting off the heads of roses and spewing the petals into the crowd; that was soooooooo sexy to me. She oozed sexuality without hardly ever showing any skin. If you went back through all the old photos, she never showed lots of cleavage or shoulder or leg. She had an innocence to her, but it was a youthful innocence, not the chaste image that Stevie has projected for thirty years.

We most definitely have two very different ideas of "sexy."

I think true sexiness doesn't hit you over the head. It's not in-your-face or aggressive.
True sexiness is exuded by someone who's graceful and classy.

Veronica Lake was sexier than Mae West ever was.
Jaclyn Smith was sexier than Farrah Fawcett, Cheryl Ladd and Tanya Roberts combined.

A truly sexy person can melt you with a shy smile, or the way they casually run their fingers through their hair.

Truly sexy people don't know they are, and they certainly don't act as if they know they are.

I respond to humour, too, and playfulness. But I see that in Stevie as well.
Not so much when she's on-stage, but she's typically very funny in interviews, and, depending on who's interviewing her, she can be quite playful.

Biting the heads off of roses and spitting them at the audience might be bold and funny, but it's not what I'd call "sexy."

(As for my opinion of Debbie's onstage demeanor... I don't know what the footage was from. But I've seen several clips of her over the years... in one I believe she's wearing a black dress... and she just STANDS there. The music is pulsating and alive, and she's not moving an inch. I was bored looking at her. This was around 1981. :shrug: )

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 03:40 PM

Seing as neither of us are straight, perhaps our opinions about which women are and are not sexy are pretty uselss. LOL.

:laugh:
I can still tell you which women are "hot" and which women are "sexy."
They just don't "do it" for me in other ways. ;)

Actually, I loved it. She seemed to be doing a whole "Warhol-I-am-so-bored-with-this" thing. I thought it pretty rebellious and revolutionary.

Unfortunately, her boredom then became mine. :shrug:

dissention

09-22-2004, 03:43 PM

I saw Heart live at the Greek Theatre in LA and was in the front row right in front of Ann Wilson and she really kicks ass. She's only two years younger than Stevie and the contrast between the two is amazing.

I saw them on Saturday night at The Big E (for fifteen bucks, no less!) and they played the whole new album, plus one classic. You would never guess that it was all new material, they belted them out with such energy and gusto that you couldn't take your eyes off of them.

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.

The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

While I wouldn't call her a cow, you have the listless part right. But I attribute that to menopause, for the most part. I'll have to wait until she's finished going through it to make my final judgement. :laugh: Singing in something other than her lowest register would make a HUGE difference.

The Tower

09-22-2004, 03:47 PM

I can still tell you which women are "hot" and which women are "sexy."

I can't. I don't apply "hot" or "sexy" to anything but the male sex....

:thumbsup:

sparky

09-22-2004, 03:49 PM

Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That bald-guy look is SO mid-90's over! :eek: And for me, it was never in at all... :eek: I wouldn't necessarily say that hair makes the man, but that baldy/spitter persona thing is so nazty.

You have never seen my ex. LOL. And if you get me within 20 feet of Mitch Pileggi (Skinner from the X-Files) the man doesn't stand a chance. Different strokes for, uh....different dudes.

I saw Heart live at the Greek Theatre in LA and was in the front row right in front of Ann Wilson and she really kicks ass. She's only two years younger than Stevie and the contrast between the two is amazing.

Love the Ann. Loving her. I have even warmed up to almost every song on the new record.

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

OMG. Are you sure you're not Don Rickles ?

You know, I got out some old videos last night and had a mini Stevie Festival, as I used to call them back in the day.
I watched the US Festival, and the Solid Gold/SNL performances. My conclusion ? Stand Back is a world better than it ever was back then. Both musically - man it was thin and silly in all those shows - and in her performance. She really does have more focus now. Sure she was a knockout then, but she was F'd up beyond belief and kind of not even there.

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 03:52 PM

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.

The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

I don't think it's that people aren't willing to "open their eyes" and admit she's changed. Not at all.
I just think some people are more willing to accept the change in Stevie's onstage demeanor.

Some people even.... *GASP*... love how she is onstage these days!
It shouldn't be that hard to accept or understand. :shrug:

As I've said countless times, I definitely miss the days when she would "rock out" and act like a wild woman.
But that was then, and this is now.

Things change. So why bother trying to hold onto something and wanting it to always be the same?

Stevie's not the same as she was 10-20 years ago. And she's not Tina Turner, or Ann Wilson, or Cher, etc., etc., etc.
So why waste time wanting her to be?

Stevie's matured... I, for one, happen to like the maturity. I like the "Earth Mother" vibe she projects. It's real and it reflects who she is today.
She seems to be in a better emotional place, and she doesn't have as much to prove to herself or to her male peers, as she did in the '70s and '80s.

I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I feel. I guess I just honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal. :shrug:

dissention

09-22-2004, 03:53 PM

We most definitely have two very different ideas of "sexy."

I think true sexiness doesn't hit you over the head. It's not in-your-face or aggressive.
True sexiness is exuded by someone who's graceful and classy.

I agree. Which is what I think Deborah Harry did. She wasn't in your face, she didn't show off her breasts or make suggestive gestures, she used her innocence in order to come across as sexy. Which she masterfully did, in my opinion. Stevie is too lost in her own little world to ever be sexy.

Veronica Lake was sexier than Mae West ever was.
Jaclyn Smith was sexier than Farrah Fawcett, Cheryl Ladd and Tanya Roberts combined.

There is great evidence to suggest that Mae West was a man, so... :laugh:
Jaclyn was sexier, too. Farrah was a bimbo, as were the others.

I respond to humour, too, and playfulness. But I see that in Stevie as well.
Not so much when she's on-stage, but she's typically very funny in interviews, and, depending on who's interviewing her, she can be quite playful.

I don't, I see a morose being who smiles only when necessary. In my opinion, she lost her playfulness and humor in interviews years ago. Now, she simply goes through the motions to promote her current project.

Biting the heads off of roses and spitting them at the audience might be bold and funny, but it's not what I'd call "sexy."

That's the difference between you and I, I guess. :D

(As for my opinion of Debbie's onstage demeanor... I don't know what the footage was from. But I've seen several clips of her over the years... in one I believe she's wearing a black dress... and she just STANDS there. The music is pulsating and alive, and she's not moving an inch. I was bored looking at her. This was around 1981. :shrug: )

Beats me, I've never seen such footage.

dissention

09-22-2004, 03:55 PM

You have never seen my ex. LOL. And if you get me within 20 feet of Mitch Pileggi (Skinner from the X-Files) the man doesn't stand a chance. Different strokes for, uh....different dudes.

:eek:

*picks jaw off of floor*

OMG. Are you sure you're not Don Rickles ?

OMG, I'm beginning to think that even Don Rickles gets you hot.

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 04:01 PM

Beats me, I've never seen such footage.

I don't what it was from, but apparently sparky has seen it too, since he felt she was doing a whole "Warhol-boredom" thing in it. :shrug:

As for Stevie being "morose" and "only smiling when necessary"... huh?
She was the funniest thing about 'Destiny Rules' (and not in an unintentional/embarrassing kind of way), and she seems so friendly and funny with the likes of Letterman, Rosie O'Donnell, Leno, Mark & Brian, etc.

It doesn't seem forced, or put on to promote an album.

Can anyone really smile and laugh 100% of the time? I don't think so.
We all have to be serious once in a while (and this coming from the guy who's always trying to get his father to lighten up!).

sparky

09-22-2004, 04:03 PM

:laugh:
I can still tell you which women are "hot" and which women are "sexy."
They just don't "do it" for me in other ways. ;)

Okay. I, for one, tend to question my own assessment of the relative attractiveness of women. I think my opinion is aesthetic, and not based on a visceral, animal reaction. It is a different thing than what a straight guy thinks. I mean, I wouldn't, under anything but extreme circumstances, do anything about it.

sparky

09-22-2004, 04:05 PM

I hate to disagree again, but I must.

YOU ? Hate to disagree ?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:xoxo:

sparky

09-22-2004, 04:08 PM

:eek:

*picks jaw off of floor*

OMG, I'm beginning to think that even Don Rickles gets you hot.

Bite your tongue. Blech.

Mitch is a stud. That seething, surly thing. Woof.

Now I am sure I am scaring you.

sparky

09-22-2004, 04:09 PM

Beats me, I've never seen such footage.

I am thinking, specifically, of a performance of Heart Of Glass on SNL. I think she had on the garbage bag dress.

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 04:14 PM

Okay. I, for one, tend to question my own assessment of the relative attractiveness of women. I think my opinion is aesthetic, and not based on a visceral, animal reaction. It is a different thing than what a straight guy thinks. I mean, I wouldn't, under anything but extreme circumstances, do anything about it.

I'm an artist, so I definitely respond to things that are aesthetically pleasing in photographs, paintings, etc. So I think I have a pretty good gauge of what's "sexy" on that level.
Now when it comes to relationships, there has to be MUCH more than a "pretty face."
In fact, a "pretty face" is pretty far down on the list of requirements.

And, of course, being a gay man, I don't respond to women the exact same way a straight man would or does.
When I was a kid, I thought Princess Leia looked so cool in her slave outfit from 'Return Of The Jedi'... my brother, however, considers seeing her in that outfit as the defining moment of his puberty. :laugh:

I still find certain women "hot" though, despite a lack of interest in them romantically. :shrug:

I'd say that maybe I'm just an oddball... but I think that's a "given thing"! :laugh:

dissention

09-22-2004, 04:14 PM

As for Stevie being "morose" and "only smiling when necessary"... huh?
She was the funniest thing about 'Destiny Rules' (and not in an unintentional/embarrassing kind of way), and she seems so friendly and funny with the likes of Letterman, Rosie O'Donnell, Leno, Mark & Brian, etc.

Lindsey is the one who really came across as the happy-go-lucky individual, which wasn't always how I perceived him before. I think she's a happy person, but she isn't what I would call having a sunny disposition as of late. A lot of her playfulness seems to have really diminished in recent years. Disagree, fine, lord knows I have disagreed with your perception of Debbie. But that's my perception of Stevie, unfortunately.

It doesn't seem forced, or put on to promote an album.

It didn't ten years ago. Ten years ago, she came across as a chick you just wanted to have a beer with. Now, she seems too reserved most times.

dissention

09-22-2004, 04:15 PM

I am thinking, specifically, of a performance of Heart Of Glass on SNL. I think she had on the garbage bag dress.

OMG, that reminds me of the American Bandstand appearances. Those were the worst. :laugh: The lip-syncing and the cupids bow and arrow, etc. Too, too funny.

dissention

09-22-2004, 04:19 PM

YOU ? Hate to disagree ?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:xoxo:

It's called sarcasm. :laugh: :lol: :p

sparky

09-22-2004, 04:21 PM

I'm an artist, so I definitely respond to things that are aesthetically pleasing in photographs, paintings, etc. So I think I have a pretty good gauge of what's "sexy" on that level.

Well, I make my living as something of an artist, if you call TV and Film an art, LOL. So I certainly respond that way too. But I would put the response sexy in quotes as well.

Now when it comes to relationships, there has to be MUCH more than a "pretty face." In fact, a "pretty face" is pretty far down on the list of requirements.

Much more helps. Pretty face never hurt !

I still find certain women "hot" though, despite a lack of interest in them romantically. :shrug:

Well, yeah. I do too, but it certainly isn't a hormonal thing.

All this talk of pretty and sexy has reminded me that I better get my butt to the gym.

Johnny Stew

09-22-2004, 04:26 PM

Ten years ago, she came across as a chick you just wanted to have a beer with. Now, she seems too reserved most times.

She sure didn't seem reserved in last year's radio interview with Mark & Brian!
Stevie was absolutely the best thing about that interview... she was chatty, she was funny, she was self-deprecating ("I don't know how to burn CDs, but I can make you a cassette!").

She seemed to be having a great old time, and demonstrated a better overall sense of humour that her bandmates. Same with the 'Destiny Rules' doc.

I wouldn't say she has a "sunny disposition." I wouldn't say that about ANYONE in Fleetwood Mac.
But she sure strikes me as having a great sense of humour... even these days.

MikeVielhaber

09-22-2004, 05:13 PM

cliffdweller

09-23-2004, 02:36 PM

Well let's put it this way- there aren't a lot of woman pushing sixty who are as good looking as Stevie, if I do say so myself.

And I don't think her makeup is any different then usual- it is just so obvious because for some reason the camera man wanted us to see up her nose. That is the only annoying part about LIB- the Stevie close ups are insane! Why oh why did they do that to her? Do they want us to see every imperfection on a person's face? If I was videotaped that close up I'd hope that I had pancake makeup on!

Uh, has anyone noticed Lindsey's pancake make-up? I swear he was wearing quite a bit of base make-up when I saw them this summer, I noticed it when I inched my way up to the stage and I KNOW he was wearing something on his face!

amber

09-23-2004, 02:39 PM

Uh, has anyone noticed Lindsey's pancake make-up? I swear he was wearing quite a bit of base make-up when I saw them this summer, I noticed it when I inched my way up to the stage and I KNOW he was wearing something on his face!
totally - but i think he sweats it off by about the third song.. :laugh:
Amber

cliffdweller

09-23-2004, 02:55 PM

totally - but i think he sweats it off by about the third song.. :laugh:
Amber

I'm tellin' ya, it was still REALLY noticeable during Goodbye Baby! He looked rough: lines, wrinkles, the whole shebang. He's still very attractive for his age though, don't get me wrong.

cliffdweller

09-23-2004, 03:01 PM

Now, Ann Wilson is a VERY different story. That woman puts out so much energy, it's mind-blowing. She moves with grace AND energy.

Have you seen them on tour this summer for Jupiter's Darling? Both Ann and Nancy look stellar. One of my male friends that went with me fell in love with Nancy by the concert's end...he's 26 and she's in her fifties! In other words, they are both still very enchanting for women their age, and it doesn't hurt that they're so damned talented! I got a good close-up look at Ann---the woman's skin is amazing (even under all the pancake make-up I'm sure!) she looked great even after all the sweating and dancing, etc. I wonder if she's had any work done...

ShamHy89

09-23-2004, 05:39 PM

Both Ann and Nancy look stellar.
:nod: I didn't get to see Heart perform, but they were at the Big E fair out near Springfield, MA this past week. I caught a glimpse of them as they spoke with a group of people before the show behind the stage. Even offstage, they looked great!

Shamus

amber

09-23-2004, 05:53 PM

I've only seen one or 2 clips of them performing, but it was like a hurricane force wind with fire in it, it was so awesome (early days) makes me really want to see those old performances of the songs i love anyways. Super-forceful. To me, Stevie is (conversely, but similarly) more of strong, gusty, erratic wind, with fire shooting just out of her eyes....uh, to compare two forces of nature... :p
Amber

EveryHour

09-26-2004, 09:14 AM

Singing in something other than her lowest register would make a HUGE difference.

Do we all have to get into the voice preservation argument again?! Stevie can still sing in other registers :eek: , but I think it's obvious she has to take great care in not shredding her voice like she used to. I don't think it's hard to understand that she has to make it a priority (and I imagine it must be frustrating to her as well)...singing is her life and she can carry on in a little different way or she can quit. This is also someone who would, I'm sure, find it devastating to lose her voice permenently even if she retired from the stage...she loves to sing at home too! I realize the remedy is too much for some of you to take, but I think she's done a good job of coming up with creative new stylings in the lower register for many of her songs (Rhiannon, GDW ending, etc.)

Some songs that were recorded in a higher key just cannot be sung night after night without taking their toll on the singer. "Come" is another example. I love the rehearsal segment in Destiny Rules where Lindsey jokes about keeping it in the original key and interjecting lip synched bits where he cannot reach the notes.

HomerMcvie

09-26-2004, 12:43 PM

Some songs that were recorded in a higher key just cannot be sung night after night without taking their toll on the singer. "Come" is another example. I love the rehearsal segment in Destiny Rules where Lindsey jokes about keeping it in the original key and interjecting lip synched bits where he cannot reach the notes.
I believe he was referring to World Turning. And "I", gotta get my feet back on the ground", the "I" being the sampled part. It's a high C. :cool:

shackin'up

09-26-2004, 12:58 PM

I believe he was referring to World Turning. And "I", gotta get my feet back on the ground", the "I" being the sampled part. It's a high C. :cool:

No, he was referring to COME during the World Turning rehearsal. He suggested to sample the " and NO-body else is doing it " part. The " NO " in particular. Very funny. He rocks out the intro-lyric of world turning in that rehearsal like a madman, by the way. He cooled it down in concert though. Unfortunately.

HomerMcvie

09-26-2004, 09:03 PM

No, he was referring to COME during the World Turning rehearsal.
Hmmm, I'll have to find it (?) and watch it again. I remember it being DURING WT. Then, of course, noticed that he couldn't HIT the C on WT. My bad? :shrug:

shackin'up

09-27-2004, 10:41 AM

Definately your bad, Homer... :p ;) :thumbsup:

HomerMcvie

09-27-2004, 12:25 PM

Definately your bad, Homer...
Whew.....I guess it's a good thing I don't live and breathe FM! :laugh: :cool: :shocked:

SuzeQuze

09-27-2004, 04:56 PM

I wonder if it occured to him to wonder if Christine ever thinks when she looks at John "how did I ever bang this guy?" now he's got a bit more condition on him? Or if Stevie ever thinks about Mick "how did I ever bang this guy" now that he's bald?

Or can those sort of thoughts only happen to men?

Gail

This had me cracking up, too funny! I once heard Howard say that Stevie was big but she knew how to dress for her figure so he'd still bang her. This was back in the Dance days.

I was anti-Howard for a long time until I heard that he was speaking out about Bush and then I started tuning in again. If I don't like a topic I just turn it off. Usually it just cracks me up but some things are just too much.

~Susan

SuzeQuze

09-27-2004, 05:21 PM

I always kind of think of this as - A)She's almost 40 and B)Most people bloat up like the Dickens when they quit coke....
AMber

Stevie has said that when in Betty Ford they fed her HUGE portions. So this is probably where it started, trading one addiction for another. She also has said she had a habit of eating really rich midnight snacks.

The first time I saw her after she lost weight was at MixFest in Boston and it was so exciting because I just knew she was "back". She was so much happier up there than she had been during the SA tour.

I agree with the "Stevie's hot" crew, she's hot!

~Susan

EveryHour

09-27-2004, 07:13 PM

There have been moments where she's been quite sexy (Gold Dust Woman from the Dance, for example), but she has always come across as too demure and innocent, too doe-eyed and needy.

Forgive me, but...PUKE! I don't see Stevie as ever having been "needy" whatsoever! In fact, I think it's obvious that she had to be one tough broad to claim her stake in rock 'n' roll. Just becasue she never felt the need to put down her male peers to gain "female power" in music does not make her needy. I think it's great that she just openly admires the talents of others, regardless of gender. I sort of get where you were going with this, but for me none of the words you used hit the mark. I think it's more that Stevie was always unihibited about showing her vulnerability (which every human has and tends to guard) and displaying it in her lyrics and performance. If I was forced to name one thing that most captivates me about Stevie, that would probably be it. It was definitely a key element that sucked me in in the beginning...I had previously never encountered such a thing.

Johnny Stew

09-28-2004, 02:57 AM

I think it's more that Stevie was always unihibited about showing her vulnerability (which every human has and tends to guard) and displaying it in her lyrics and performance. If I was forced to name one thing that most captivates me about Stevie, that would probably be it.

That is the thing, isn't it? She's at once strong and vulnerable. Which has always been a compelling combination to me, too.

With most artists, you usually get one or the other. They either exhibit little strength or little vulnerability.
To me, Stevie's always seemed tough-as-nails when she needs to be, and yet never afraid to be vulnerable and fragile at other times.

In other words, despite all the trappings of money and fame, she manages to come across in a very human way. And her ability to be more than just a one-sided rock icon, adds to her sex-appeal. At least in my opinion. :)

dissention

09-28-2004, 08:02 AM

Forgive me, but...PUKE! I don't see Stevie as ever having been "needy" whatsoever! In fact, I think it's obvious that she had to be one tough broad to claim her stake in rock 'n' roll. Just becasue she never felt the need to put down her male peers to gain "female power" in music does not make her needy. I think it's great that she just openly admires the talents of others, regardless of gender. I sort of get where you were going with this, but for me none of the words you used hit the mark. I think it's more that Stevie was always unihibited about showing her vulnerability (which every human has and tends to guard) and displaying it in her lyrics and performance. If I was forced to name one thing that most captivates me about Stevie, that would probably be it. It was definitely a key element that sucked me in in the beginning...I had previously never encountered such a thing.

Once again, taking my comments and twisting them so much that I don't even want to bother commenting on the majority of it. :laugh:

You can puke all you want, but one look at her lyrics and it becomes painfully obvious. It became more and more apparent as the years wore on. I think there was a great shift in her persona where she went from being this feminine-yet-strong woman to being this innocent, inverted woman, almost childlike. There's nothing wrong with it, but it certainly doesn't make her sexy in my book. I think she's brave for putting out such personal songs, but that's the extent of it.

EveryHour

09-29-2004, 09:21 AM

Once again, taking my comments and twisting them so much that I don't even want to bother commenting on the majority of it. :laugh:

You can puke all you want, but one look at her lyrics and it becomes painfully obvious. It became more and more apparent as the years wore on. I think there was a great shift in her persona where she went from being this feminine-yet-strong woman to being this innocent, inverted woman, almost childlike. There's nothing wrong with it, but it certainly doesn't make her sexy in my book. I think she's brave for putting out such personal songs, but that's the extent of it.

I don't feel I twisted your words. I quoted you and then gave my 2 cents on what you said. I never put words in your mouth: "You said...", etc.

And, yes, I'm still puking at your choice of words.....

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