Farewell, Save Me A Place.

[Mari]

Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today to say goodbye to one of our favorite songs.. no, indeed our most loved song of our most loved album: Save Me A Place.

Save Me A Place, as you all know, has had to leave the TuskSurvivorgame at a much to early age, and it's passing has touched many of us.

I would like to give every friend of Save Me A Place a chance to come forward and share with us your fondest memories, stories, etcetera.

Thank you so much for coming by & paying your respect to Save Me A Place.

Please dress & behave appropriately. Flowers are welcome.

Gerald, perhaps you would like to start..?

[strandinthewind]

SMAP was and is my favorite song off of Tusk. It demonstrated and still demonstrates LB at his best in his brilliant new approach to harmony and structure. It also had and has pining lyrics that rank amongst his best.

RIP SMAP :)

[Gazza]

Time to take our anger and dedicate it to making sure either The Ledge, Tusk, What Makes You Think, or I Know I'm Not Wrong take that bitch home.

[amber]

O, HN, TITMRTIHES!!!! WSOTMG, IPAFT!
Smap, I hardly knew ye...rest in peace...

[sodascouts]

Time to take our anger and dedicate it to making sure either The Ledge, Tusk, What Makes You Think, or I Know I'm Not Wrong take that bitch home.

Don't forget TEFM!!!

[shackin'up]

1. some are earlier
2. I'm late
3. Still speechless


.........but ready to slaughter Sisters of the Moon.


Great song but the equivalent of the "Look how mystic and bigger than life am I"- mentality, and therefore the complete opposite of the touching, 100% emotion without puiking your guts out-brilliance of Save me a Place. I can't believe how hard we fought for it.

Even though I would rank Storms and IKINW above the little diamond, I'm proud of us for what we tried to achieve. And to be honest, I did it for our "I know better-punk"-Carne, too.

gerald

[amber]

Great song
Why can't this be enough? Great song. Exactly.
Oops, sorry to interrupt the mourning with something that wasn't mourning. my apologies to the hostess...

[sodascouts]

.........but ready to slaughter Sisters of the Moon.

Sounds like a plan.

[David]

Sisters of the Moon.

Great song but the equivalent of the "Look how mystic and bigger than life am I"- mentalityExcellent description! All of us love "Sisters of the Moon," but it is rather silly.

As for "Save Me a Place," I get to live out my fantasy of Fleetwood Mac transmogrifying into Peter, Paul & Mary! I love it! Plus, you can sing "Stardust" to the chords.

[shackin'up]

Why can't this be enough? Great song. Exactly.
Oops, sorry to interrupt the mourning with something that wasn't mourning. my apologies to the hostess...

Sorry Amber, but if I stopped after Great Song, I wouldn't have said anything, because there are ONLY great songs on Tusk.

And the mourning?

Well, it's our party and we cry if we want to, cry if we want to, cry if we want to.
You would cry too if it happened to you.

[Johnny Stew]

Great song but the equivalent of the "Look how mystic and bigger than life am I"- mentality, and therefore the complete opposite of the touching, 100% emotion without puiking your guts out-brilliance of Save me a Place.

Hmm... not to hijack Mari's thread, but I think you may have missed the point of "Sisters" somewhat.
Now, don't get me wrong, I agree that it doesn't stand out amongst Stevie's 'Tusk' tracks, because of its similarities to "Rhiannon" and "Gold Dust Woman"... but in the lyrics to "Sisters," Stevie is commenting on "The Image," and how people expect certain things from "The Image," and always demand that she live up to "The Image," and yet they don't really know (or care to know) her as a person at all.

It's just as touching as the feelings Lindsey was conveying in the lyrics to "Save Me A Place," though I think that gets lost in the translation.

Both writers were talking about the pressure they felt to live up to certain things, when those things were draining them of their energy.

"Don't know why I have to work... don't know why I can't play."
"They like to wrap her in velvet... (but) does anyone know her name?"

Those two songs are good examples of the different approaches Lindsey and Stevie take to the same subject matter.
One is stark and to-the-point, while the other is cryptic and steeped in imagery.

In the end, it's more the execution that leaves some of us flat... on one, or both, of the songs.

[ryan8472]

I admit...I did contribute to this song's death, as I simply do not like it. It is the only Lindsey song I truely do not like. I am though, switching sides today, as I will support all other Lindsey songs :) Truce?

[shackin'up]

Hmm... not to hijack Mari's thread, but I think you may have missed the point of "Sisters" somewhat.

Yeah right.

Now, don't get me wrong

I will not.
By the way, you're hijacking Mari's thread. Pay respect. We're wearing black today.

talking about depression, Smap is buried, please invite Carne back so we can mourn some more.


;)

[shackin'up]

Excellent description! All of us love "Sisters of the Moon," but it is rather silly.

As for "Save Me a Place," I get to live out my fantasy of Fleetwood Mac transmogrifying into Peter, Paul & Mary! I love it! Plus, you can sing "Stardust" to the chords.


AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH! We could have used you on the survivorthread, David!!!

:wavey:

[shackin'up]

I admit...I did contribute to this song's death, as I simply do not like it. It is the only Lindsey song I truely do not like. I am though, switching sides today, as I will support all other Lindsey songs :) Truce?

Welcome ryan. But give us another day to acclimatise to the new situation.......................








alright I'm ready. Let's kill Sisters Of The Moooooooooooooooooooooooooon. :wavey:

[Sugar]

alright I'm ready. Let's kill Sisters Of The Moooooooooooooooooooooooooon. :wavey:

We're on our way...come join us... :woohoo:

[dissention]

Truce?

Nevah! ;) :wavey:

[dissention]

The Sisters of the Moon must die, followed by Sara and Beautiful Child and Angel. Storms has to be in the top five, though. But I will sacrifice it to save a Lindsey song. :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

The Sisters of the Moon must die, followed by Sara and Beautiful Child and Angel. Storms has to be in the top five, though. But I will sacrifice it to save a Lindsey song. :xoxo:

SOTM can go, but the others will stay as long as I have breath in my windbag body :wavey:

[dissention]

SOTM can go, but the others will stay as long as I have breath in my windbag body :wavey:

That won't be long now... :laugh:

[sodascouts]

The Sisters of the Moon must die, followed by Sara and Beautiful Child and Angel. Storms has to be in the top five, though. But I will sacrifice it to save a Lindsey song. :xoxo:

I suggest SOTM, then BC, then Storms. (Sorry diss I find Storms can be quite dull).

[sodascouts]

Current count - SOTM needs 6 more votes. Can it be done?

[amber]

Current count - SOTM needs 6 more votes. Can it be done?
no. *pbbbllbbbbbbt* and if it is, I WILL IMMEDIATELY SUSPECT YOU OF WRONGDOING!!!!! :lol: :wavey: jk....
AMber

[shackin'up]

I suggest SOTM, then BC, then Storms. (Sorry diss I find Storms can be quite dull).

I want Storms to be the conquerer of I know I'm not wrong (1), the Ledge or TEFM in the final. But since the deletion of WMYTYTO, I really expect a top 4 of Steviesongs. And that's worth a depression.

[dissention]

but in the lyrics to "Sisters," Stevie is commenting on "The Image," and how people expect certain things from "The Image," and always demand that she live up to "The Image," and yet they don't really know (or care to know) her as a person at all.

And my question would be, why continue to feed that "Image" that she finds so frustrating by releasing such stuff as SOTM? Stevie has always said that she expresses her emotions through her music and if that isn't getting to know someone to an extent, I don't know what is. Sorry, but I just found that explanation a bit off-the-wall. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

And my question would be, why continue to feed that "Image" that she finds so frustrating by releasing such stuff as SOTM? Stevie has always said that she expresses her emotions through her music and if that isn't getting to know someone to an extent, I don't know what is. Sorry, but I just found that explanation a bit off-the-wall. :laugh:

Perhaps the final product was out of her hands (referring to the fact that it's reminiscent of "Gold Dust Woman" and the live versions of "Rhiannon," production-wise).
"Sisters" could be one of those songs she was referring to in later years, when she said that some of her Mac material didn't turn out the way she would have wanted. :shrug:

Lyrically, I think she has to reference "the image" in order to make her point. In her own way, she's romanticizing exactly what it is she's criticizing.
Looking at the lyrics, I think she's even telling us that she bought into "the image" just as much as anyone else had ("she was dark at the top of the stairs... and she called to me...."), but its appeal was limiting and constraining.

I think it's deeper than people give it credit for.

[dissention]

Perhaps the final product was out of her hands (referring to the fact that it's reminiscent of "Gold Dust Woman" and the live versions of "Rhiannon," production-wise).
"Sisters" could be one of those songs she was referring to in later years, when she said that some of her Mac material didn't turn out the way she would have wanted. :shrug:

She could've been referring to WISYA, too. :laugh:

What I was referring to was your interpretation of the lyrics, Le Stew, not the production. The lyrics were not out of her hands.

Lyrically, I think she has to reference "the image" in order to make her point. In her own way, she's romanticizing exactly what it is she's criticizing.
Looking at the lyrics, I think she's even telling us that she bought into "the image" just as much as anyone else had ("she was dark at the top of the stairs... and she called to me...."), but its appeal was limiting and constraining.

I think it's deeper than people give it credit for.

Limiting and constraining...yet used at every opportunity from then to now. ;) :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Limiting and constraining...yet used at every opportunity from then to now. ;) :laugh:

Funny... when she tries to limit her wardrobe changes, or when she opts not to wear the platforms, or when she tones down the twirls and the swirls and all the mysticism (not to mention the banshee singing), we all whine and cry about it.

If she plays up "the image," she's criticized. If she downplays it, she's criticized.

Like I've said... damned if you do, damned if you don't. :shrug:

And one could say that while Lindsey complained about having to work and not being able to play, it was by his own design that he later spent years on end slaving away in his home-studio. ;)

In those two songs, they were both expressing their dissatisfaction in regards to the negative aspects of fame... and even though they both sought that success before and after those songs were written, I don't feel it weakens the poignancy of what either of them was expressing.

[stefan]

Funny... when she tries to limit her wardrobe changes, or when she opts not to wear the platforms, or when she tones down the twirls and the swirls and all the mysticism (not to mention the banshee singing), we all whine and cry about it.


NO. I never understood that crappy debate. I doesn`t care one bit what kind of shoes that woman wears. Let her walk out barefoot with a tatoo on her feet saying "I`m in love with Eric Cartman" and I wouldn`t have recognized it in Oberhausen. Up to today I don't even know what the platform boots or her Reeboks everyone is talking about look like.
I was watching the show, enjoying the music and looking at what was going on on stage. But surely not what kind of shoes she has...
Although I clearly was there because I wanted to see Lindsey I was pleasantly surprised by the entire performance- I liked what she did there and she was in fine form too. The annoying fake romantic opera they were performing was the only bad thing about it.

[dissention]

Funny... when she tries to limit her wardrobe changes, or when she opts not to wear the platforms, or when she tones down the twirls and the swirls and all the mysticism (not to mention the banshee singing), we all whine and cry about it.

Not by me. I've been saying for the longest time that she needs to ditch the mob widow garb and wear some pants.

If she plays up "the image," she's criticized. If she downplays it, she's criticized.

Like I've said... damned if you do, damned if you don't. :shrug:

Not by me, I was simply pointing out what I saw to be a flawed element of your interpertation. :shrug:

And one could say that while Lindsey complained about having to work and not being able to play, it was by his own design that he later spent years on end slaving away in his home-studio. ;)

And I would agree. But we don't necessarily know what he meant by "work" and "play," even though we have our suspicions. For all we know, his "play" could have been working on more of his material and the "work" could have been working on Stevie's. ;)

In those two songs, they were both expressing their dissatisfaction in regards to the negative aspects of fame... and even though they both sought that success before and after those songs were written, I don't feel it weakens the poignancy of what either of them was expressing.

Those are your interpetations, not all of ours.

[Johnny Stew]

Those are your interpetations, not all of ours.

Well, duh. :laugh:

It is my interpretation... nothing more. I just happen to think that the lyrics to "Sisters" are just as poignant as the lyrics to "Save Me A Place," when you look beyond the surface, and that the songs represent two points of view on the same types of problems.

[David]

Lyrically, I think she has to reference "the image" in order to make her point. In her own way, she's romanticizing exactly what it is she's criticizing.
Looking at the lyrics, I think she's even telling us that she bought into "the image" just as much as anyone else had ("she was dark at the top of the stairs... and she called to me...."), but its appeal was limiting and constraining.

I think it's deeper than people give it credit for.
What makes it all even spookier in my estimation is that she wrote about her 1979 self in 1975. How could she possibly have known about the gauzy romanticism of her later image back when she was still the jeans-clad fifth wheel in Fleetwood Mac? How did she know that, within a year or two, her dressing room backstage would be filled with groupies & helpers to the point of emotional suffocation -- when Fleetwood Mac were still carting themselves around in station wagons?

Maybe she was writing about Stevie Nicks in Janis Joplin's tragic predicament. Maybe it all tied in somehow with her vocal exorcisms for "Rhiannon" onstage. There was something about being on the verge of fame that was an even heavier trip for Stevie than the fame itself when it finally came.

It's a remarkable song in many ways (although I don't really see this musical similarity between it & "Rhiannon"). I'd also like to know how that reference to Inge came about. Did she read the play? Did she watch the Robert Preston movie & just swipe the title because she liked the sound of it?

[amber]

What makes it all even spookier in my estimation is that she wrote about her 1979 self in 1975. How could she possibly have known about the gauzy romanticism of her later image back when she was still the jeans-clad fifth wheel in Fleetwood Mac? How did she know that, within a year or two, her dressing room backstage would be filled with groupies & helpers to the point of emotional suffocation -- when Fleetwood Mac were still carting themselves around in station wagons?

Maybe she was writing about Stevie Nicks in Janis Joplin's tragic predicament. Maybe it all tied in somehow with her vocal exorcisms for "Rhiannon" onstage. There was something about being on the verge of fame that was an even heavier trip for Stevie than the fame itself when it finally came.

It's a remarkable song in many ways (although I don't really see this musical similarity between it & "Rhiannon"). I'd also like to know how that reference to Inge came about. Did she read the play? Did she watch the Robert Preston movie & just swipe the title because she liked the sound of it?
I think she knew what she would be, knew the kind of attention she wanted and was capable of getting, and probably had already had a taste of it, big time. I don't think Stevie was in any way accidentally so famous and so fabulous...
AMber

[Mari]

*peeks in*
:shocked:
Eeh.. how come a Wake for Save Me A Place has turned into a thread about Stevie??

[shackin'up]

Hmm... not to hijack Mari's thread,.

So don't. asked for the 2nd time.

[shackin'up]

I'd like to ask all the Lindsey fans to come over to the Tusk Survivor thread and vote for Sisters Of The Moon in order to even up the game a little.
Even if you haven't voted before do it now! Or we may be seeing yet another Lindsey casualty. :(

I knew it, Sharon. That's why I began to act as if I'm in the middle of puberty. This game has nothing to do with songquality. We could have started a Tuskcontest wherein every song under 4.00 minutes have no rights.