Who do you think will win the election?

[diamondsnake]

I know who you want to win the election but who do you seriously think, based on whatever you know, will be president in a few months? Who do you think will get the most votes?

[Sugar]

[Who] will be president in a few months? Who do you think will get the most votes?

Well now, we all know those are two very seperate questions... ;)

[dissention]

John Kerry.

He will win the election.

[GypsySorcerer]

I wouldn't put my eggs in either basket at this point. It will be very, very close.

[estranged4life]

but I feel Shrub will win...

Brian "Thank GOD there's more than 2 parties on the Oklahoma presidential ballot" j.

[gldstwmn]

I know who you want to win the election but who do you seriously think, based on whatever you know, will be president in a few months? Who do you think will get the most votes?

John Kerry, Here's why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/politics/campaign/06kerry.html?hp=&pagewanted=print&position=

Kerry Enlisting Clinton Aides in Effort to Refocus Campaign
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and DAVID M. HALBFINGER

ormer President Bill Clinton, in a 90-minute telephone conversation from his hospital room, offered John Kerry detailed advice on Saturday night on how to reinvigorate his candidacy, as Mr. Kerry enlisted more Clinton advisers to help shape his strategy and message for the remainder of the campaign.

In an expansive conversation, Mr. Clinton, who is awaiting heart surgery, told Mr. Kerry that he should move away from talking about Vietnam, which had been the central theme of his candidacy, and focus instead on drawing contrasts with President Bush on job creation and health care policies, officials with knowledge of the conversation said.

The conversation and the recruitment of old Clinton hands came amid rising concern among Democrats about the state of Mr. Kerry's campaign and criticism that he had been too slow to respond to attacks on his military record or to engage Mr. Bush on domestic policy. Among the better-known former Clinton aides who are expected to play an increasingly prominent role are James Carville, Paul Begala and Stanley Greenberg, campaign aides said.

Mr. Kerry's aides emphasized that this was an expansion of the staff for the fall campaign and did not represent another upheaval of the Kerry campaign. Still, several Democrats outside the campaign said the influence of Mr. Clinton and his advisers could be seen over the past few days in Mr. Kerry's attacks on Mr. Bush's domestic policies. They said the Clinton team had been pressing Mr. Kerry to turn up the intensity of his attacks on those policies after a month spent largely avoiding engaging the president.

The installation of former Clinton lieutenants is creating two distinct camps at Mr. Kerry's campaign headquarters on McPherson Square in downtown Washington.

The first is the existing Kerry high command, which includes Mary Beth Cahill, the campaign manager; Bob Shrum, a senior adviser; Tad Devine, a senior adviser; and Stephanie Cutter, the communications director. The second is the Clinton camp, which includes Joe Lockhart, a former White House press secretary; Joel Johnson, a former senior White House aide; and Doug Sosnik, a former Clinton political director. And Howard Wolfson, a former chief of staff to Hillary Rodham Clinton, joined the campaign yesterday.

Members of both camps played down any suggestion of a Clinton takeover of a troubled campaign and insisted there was no tension between the two groups. Still, these days, Mr. Lockhart is stationed in an office on one side of the campaign war room; Mr. Shrum's office is on the opposite side.

On Saturday, Mr. Johnson drew applause from Democrats assembled for a weekly strategy meeting at Mr. Kerry's headquarters when he reassured aides that the campaign had settled on a clear line of attack against Mr. Bush, people at the meeting said. They said Mr. Johnson told the group that the campaign wanted the entire party to heed the new talking points.

"It's very simple," Mr. Johnson said in an interview yesterday, describing what he said would be the template for Mr. Kerry's speeches and advertisements in the weeks ahead. "It's: 'Bush has taken us in the wrong direction. If you want more of the same for the next four years, vote for President Bush. If you want a new direction, John Kerry and John Edwards.' It's not complicated. Failed policies, jobs and the economy, health care."

Officials with knowledge of the Clinton conversation said it came after Mr. Kerry called Mr. Clinton at Columbia-Presbyterian Center of New York Presbyterian Hospital on Friday to wish him well. Mr. Clinton, who was described by advisers as concerned by the direction of the Kerry campaign, thanked him and suggested that the two men talk over the weekend about the campaign, which they did Saturday night.

The telephone conversation, which was described as detailed and expansive, with Mr. Kerry doing more listening than talking, also included Mr. Lockhart, who joined Mr. Kerry's campaign as a senior adviser about two weeks ago. Mr. Lockhart declined to comment on the conversation.

People close to Mr. Kerry said he was receptive to the counsel and was moving to widen his circle of advisers in the face of mounting concern among prominent Democrats about the potency of Mr. Bush's campaign. They noted that Mr. Clinton and his strategists were architects of the only winning Democratic presidential drives since 1976. Even so, some of Mr. Kerry's aides insisted that their seeking help from Mr. Clinton was not a reflection of flaws in their campaign.

Mr. Kerry's aides insisted that the Clinton advisers were augmenting the staff as it headed into a difficult period, and did not represent another instance in which Mr. Kerry was shaking up his campaign staff. Mr. Kerry fired a campaign manager in the primary season. The Kerry aides said that senior advisers, among them Ms. Cahill and Mr. Shrum, remained in their posts.

Still, some Democrats described what was taking place as a slow-motion shake-up as Mr. Clinton's former advisers assume increasingly powerful roles.

Mr. Greenberg, who was Mr. Clinton's pollster in 1992, resigned Tuesday as the pollster for independent Democratic groups that have been running advertisements attacking Mr. Bush so that he would be permitted, under the law, to play a more prominent role in advising Mr. Kerry's campaign.

Mr. Kerry's aides said that a longtime political adviser from Boston, John Sasso, who is working as general manager of the Democratic National Committee, would start traveling with Mr. Kerry as a full-time aide.

Mr. Sasso is said to have history with Mr. Kerry and his respect, enough to be able to give the candidate unvarnished criticism on his performance on the trail.

Mr. Begala, who said he would remain a CNN commentator, said he was delighted with the changes. He added that Mr. Bush had succeeded over the past month in transforming the race from a referendum on an incumbent president to a referendum on Mr. Kerry.

"It was an enormous shift," Mr. Begala said last night. Then, referring to Karl Rove, a top Bush strategist, he added: "And it required the cooperation of the candidate. And you know what? The Kerry campaign is no longer cooperating. Sorry, Karl."

Mr. Clinton's engagement in the campaign is new but hardly surprising. Throughout the 2004 campaign, Mr. Clinton has offered advice to any Democratic presidential candidate who would listen, including Mr. Kerry. And he told Mr. Kerry's advisers before his hospitalization that he would play a major role campaigning for Mr. Kerry this fall. In 2000, Mr. Clinton made no secret of his dismay that his vice president, Al Gore, did not turn to him more for counsel and campaigning help.

The Kerry campaign has become roiled in recent days by criticism - from inside and outside - of its decision to initially resist responding to the attacks on Mr. Kerry's war record by a group of veterans. Members of the Clinton camp as well as some of Mr. Kerry's aides were said to have believed that the slow response hurt Mr. Kerry and contributed to polls in recent days suggesting that he had slipped behind Mr. Bush.

"We talked about this last year, the fact that Republicans would come after his service and the idea that they would come after what he did when he got home," said one midlevel Kerry adviser who is not part of the Clinton camp. "The idea that we got caught flat-footed is just crazy."

Mr. Shrum, in an interview yesterday, called such second-guessing "ridiculous," saying, "We responded within six or seven days.

"I was strongly in favor of responding to the Swift boats when we did or around when we did, and so was Mary Beth," Mr. Shrum said, referring to Ms. Cahill and the advertisements by the Vietnam veterans critical of Mr. Kerry.

While Mr. Kerry's crewmates denounced the advertisements as soon as they were released Aug. 4, Mr. Kerry himself did not address the accusations until Aug. 19.

The notion that the campaign was settling on a new message for the fall came as news to some senior staff members.

"That's really groundbreaking," one senior aide said sarcastically when told about the focus on Mr. Bush's policies outlined by Mr. Johnson. "I think our negative frame should be that George Bush is a liar. He misled the country on Iraq. And then everything else that he lies about, bring it back to that."

Mr. Devine said any lack of clarity of Mr. Kerry's message was due to the campaign's running few advertisements in the past five weeks. He said the polls are showing a downturn they always planned for.

"If you want to deliver a powerful message, you need all the means of message-delivery at your disposal," Mr. Devine said. "Absent those tools and those means it's just harder to deliver that kind of message."


Carville, Begala and Greenberg! Now it's gonna be fun! :nod: These guys know how to handle Rove and Bushco. It doesn't get any better than this.

[DrummerDeanna]

Well - I also think it's impossible to tell at this point...

My fear is that Bush will not *let* himself lose again...meaning we'll have some other fiasco ala 2000.....so who knows...

I think this will be an extremely close race....

[DeeGeMe]

With electronic voting. . .I'm really afraid that we'll have another stolen election.

[golden braid]

I think John Kerry will win.

[Johnny Stew]

That's a tricky question... who will "win." :laugh:

I think... as much as it bums me out to say this... that Bush will have a second term in office.

Whether that's by all rights, or whether it's because of deft manipulation, remains to be seen.

[77Rumours77]

John Kerry will win. Bush just keeps putting himself in a hole with all the lies!
And damn, it if I have to here one more remark from the Republicans about "John Kerry's Vietnam" ttime I am going to scream.

HEY BUSH AT LEAST HE WENT TO WAR :mad:

OK needed to vent... :laugh: :p

EDIT: Hey Estranged4life.. I love the pick in your signature!!! Its hilarious :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I don't like either one of them. It's like picking between "The Nightmare" and "Desert Angel".



-Curt

[Sorceress]

I don't like either one of them. It's like picking between "The Nightmare" and "Desert Angel".



-Curt


God, yes. :laugh: But I hate "the Nightmare" (Bush) more, so I'll have to go with "Desert Angel" (Kerry). One can hope--and get all one's like-minded friends out to vote on election day.

[gldstwmn]

God, yes. :laugh: But I hate "the Nightmare" (Bush) more, so I'll have to go with "Desert Angel" (Kerry). One can hope--and get all one's like-minded friends out to vote on election day.

Give the man a chance. He'll make a good president. :thumbsup:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I hope Kerry wins...I think his message, and his plans are great..but unfortunately often missed or overlooked..


George Bush could very well win again...the electronic voting worries me as well.. I dunno, I hate to predict...

George Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 as well all know, so who knows the same exact thing could happen again..

While I think John Kerry desperately NEEDS to win, and should win, theres a lot of support for Bush in this country..I dont know what it is, most Bush supporters (including myself when I WAS one) cannot tell you why they want Bush to win or why they support him, only that "hes better than that damn Kerry, if Bush doesnt win we're all gonna get bombed, and we're all gonna die."

Lol...My brother in Texas goes to a huge church, its televised, the preacher is John Hagee..and actually I enjoyed going there when i was visiting them ...but he makes a huge point to tell his church that the "Terrorists want John Kerry to win, dont let the terrorists win..." and manipulates the people's minds there, they have 15,000 members by the way...and they have set up Register to vote booths outside, after every service...that is just getting ridiculous..and my brother says the preacher is always constantly bashing Kerry

So who knows, the republicans could steal this one too...we will see

Chris

[estranged4life]

EDIT: Hey Estranged4life.. I love the pick in your signature!!! Its hilarious :laugh:

I found a ton of Shrub pix at the following link:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpictures.htm

Including this "golden oldie":

<div align=center><img src="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_almighty.jpg"></div>

<p>Brian "Shrub is ____" j.

[MikeVielhaber]

I hope Kerry wins...I think his message, and his plans are great..but unfortunately often missed or overlooked..


George Bush could very well win again...the electronic voting worries me as well.. I dunno, I hate to predict...

George Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 as well all know, so who knows the same exact thing could happen again..

While I think John Kerry desperately NEEDS to win, and should win, theres a lot of support for Bush in this country..I dont know what it is, most Bush supporters (including myself when I WAS one) cannot tell you why they want Bush to win or why they support him, only that "hes better than that damn Kerry, if Bush doesnt win we're all gonna get bombed, and we're all gonna die."

Lol...My brother in Texas goes to a huge church, its televised, the preacher is John Hagee..and actually I enjoyed going there when i was visiting them ...but he makes a huge point to tell his church that the "Terrorists want John Kerry to win, dont let the terrorists win..." and manipulates the people's minds there, they have 15,000 members by the way...and they have set up Register to vote booths outside, after every service...that is just getting ridiculous..and my brother says the preacher is always constantly bashing Kerry

So who knows, the republicans could steal this one too...we will see

Chris
nobody i know thats going for kerry has any other reason they're voting for kerry other than "i hate bush" or their parents vote democrat.

and am i interpreting this right in saying that if the democrats win they earned it but if the republicans win they "stole" the election?

[heyjupiter678]

nobody i know thats going for kerry has any other reason they're voting for kerry other than "i hate bush" or their parents vote democrat.
Although there are many reasons why I'm voting for Kerry, I think hating Bush is reason enough.

I forgot to add that I do believe Kerry will win the election.

[EnchantedSLN]

nobody i know thats going for kerry has any other reason they're voting for kerry other than "i hate bush" or their parents vote democrat.


I'm voting for Kerry because I've reviewed his senate record, listened to his speeches, and researched his stances on a ton of issues. Not simply because he's not George Bush (although at this point he'd have my vote even if that were the only thing going for him), or because my parents (who actually never voted at all until I encouraged them to) vote democrat :nod:.

[estranged4life]

still undecided on the Presidential vote, But I have my mind made up about the offices/laws on the ballot here in Oklahoma...

Brian j.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

nobody i know thats going for kerry has any other reason they're voting for kerry other than "i hate bush" or their parents vote democrat.

and am i interpreting this right in saying that if the democrats win they earned it but if the republicans win they "stole" the election?


you havent met ME then...u havent met millions of kerry's supporters

or Republicans for Kerry
or many groups who dont HATE bush but believe kerry is the better candidate based on experience, policy etc

I could give u MANY reasons, other than BUSH DID THIS, BUSH DID THAT

The fact is most republicans are voting for Bush because "bush is the man," "bush will fight them damn terrorists man" thats what i hear "kerrys ummm hes a wimp, he likes them damn gays"
i seriously hear this crap

chris

[MikeVielhaber]

you havent met ME then...u havent met millions of kerry's supporters

or Republicans for Kerry
or many groups who dont HATE bush but believe kerry is the better candidate based on experience, policy etc

I could give u MANY reasons, other than BUSH DID THIS, BUSH DID THAT

The fact is most republicans are voting for Bush because "bush is the man," "bush will fight them damn terrorists man" thats what i hear "kerrys ummm hes a wimp, he likes them damn gays"
i seriously hear this crap

chris


and most kerry supporters are voting for him because they hate bush. yeah there are exceptions.....maybe you're an exception. both sides have every kind of people.....you seem to think that the only people that vote for bush are hicks who can't speak proper english. i can assure you i'm no hick and i speak english just fine.

[MikeVielhaber]

I'm voting for Kerry because I've reviewed his senate record, listened to his speeches, and researched his stances on a ton of issues. Not simply because he's not George Bush (although at this point he'd have my vote even if that were the only thing going for him), or because my parents (who actually never voted at all until I encouraged them to) vote democrat :nod:.

so you revieweds his senate record and researches his stances on issues ....and you STILL feel secure with him?

[EnchantedSLN]

so you revieweds his senate record and researches his stances on issues ....and you STILL feel secure with him?

Yes. I'd be just as incredulous if you replied "yes" to that same question about Bush. Different strokes, I guess. But not everyone who supports Kerry (and probably not even the majority) does so because they're sheep wanting to settle for any alternative.

[sparky]

John Kerry will win. Bush just keeps putting himself in a hole with all the lies!

Alas, I don't think most people care about this issue - truth. It's hardly a tangible concept in today's politics. The media is such a mess, I can't say I know what's true anymore, and I read and am educated.

I think Bush is going to win. It'll be a vomit inducing reality slap, but I think it's going to happen. Frankly, if it does, the people who vote him in, or let him win buy not voting deserve it. Another four years of this downward spiral is what it's going to take for people to wake up and smell the disaster. The Republicans are better politicians. They are focused, organized, and relentless. The Dem's are humiliating, by and large. Kerry's wife has more balls than most of the men in that party combined. However, I fear those balls will not be big enough.

[GODDESS6]

i don't want either, i think bush is warhappy & speaks like he is uneducated, any1 who would have some1 stand up & speak 4 him & use the word "girlieman", oh geez, help us!!!~ & kerry doesn't have big enuf kahonies (*sp) when the goin' gets tough!!!~ i am having real issues as 2 who 2 vote 4 this time around~ i am sure my decision will come down 2 the last minute, i keep waiting 4 1 of the candidates 2 say something that peaks my interest, but have yet 2 c or hear anything!!!~ JMHO
brightest stevie blessings~
jill

[ShangriLaTroubl]

and most kerry supporters are voting for him because they hate bush. yeah there are exceptions.....maybe you're an exception. both sides have every kind of people.....you seem to think that the only people that vote for bush are hicks who can't speak proper english. i can assure you i'm no hick and i speak english just fine.


Actually I do not seem to think that, I was posting actual comments I have gotten from people around me...I can only speak for what I've heard personally. In the south anyway, a HUGE majority of people feel they should support Bush because they feel it's the "southern thing" to do. It's very ridiculous. There's an overwhelming amount of Bush support in GA, especially from the Confederate leagues, and the "league of the south," and many very active to this day organizations that are against blacks, gays, other religions other than Christians..

Of course I am aware there are many intelligent, and well informed Bush supporters like yourself..but the majority that I run in to, on a daily basis support him for no reason at all or because they think he's "tough" and I've had people tell me the only reason they support him is because he went on the defensive after 911 and they think he shows to other countries that America is not scared...basically..you know what I mean?

So here in the south anyway, we get a lot of that...which is odd...because many of the people here who support Bush arent really benefiting from him, seeing they are in the middle class, and we all know Bush's policies have not been exactly friendly to the middle class..and it's just some kind of thing that goes on down here in many areas I guess, people supporting Bush because they feel he's a christian, or whatever.

I was getting out of my car the other day and I have a John Kerry bumper sticker on my bumper, and some lady who obviously wanted me to hear said "Look at that Kerry bumper sticker, stupid liberals, bunch of whiners and queers is all they are." Which I thought was very funnny, although it is just a little bit of what you get in my area if you do not support Bush

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

i don't want either, i think bush is warhappy & speaks like he is uneducated, any1 who would have some1 stand up & speak 4 him & use the word "girlieman", oh geez, help us!!!~ & kerry doesn't have big enuf kahonies (*sp) when the goin' gets tough!!!~ i am having real issues as 2 who 2 vote 4 this time around~ i am sure my decision will come down 2 the last minute, i keep waiting 4 1 of the candidates 2 say something that peaks my interest, but have yet 2 c or hear anything!!!~ JMHO
brightest stevie blessings~
jill


Make sure you watch the debates Jill..I feel this debate will not be like the Gore and Bush debates of 2000 when in one Gore agreed with Bush something like 30 times. There are HUGE differences in the two candidates, and it will show. Bush is not a very good speaker, especially when it comes to live things such as press conferences and debates, but he does have a way to put things simply that most voters latch onto (even if at times he is wrong about what he's saying,)
I think John Kerry, with his intelligence will show Bush up in the debates. He feels very passionately about the issues at hand, what he plans to do in the next 4 yrs, and what Bush hasnt done in the last 4 yrs or has done wrong. John Kerry is not a wimp, like many believe...you will see.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

There's a nice new Kerry quote about Bush that I love.

''It all comes down to one letter - W,'' Kerry said, meaning the initial in George W. Bush. ''And the W stands for wrong,'' he said. ''The W stands for wrong choices, wrong judgment, wrong priorities, wrong direction for our country.''

''This president rushed to war without a plan to win the peace, and he's cost all of you $200 billion that could have gone to schools, could have gone to health care, could have gone to prescription drugs, could have gone to our Social Security,'' he said.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

It is interesting that Bush's camp tries to distort Kerry's senate record at every chance they can get.

Their camp points out things like when Kerry firt ran for the Senate in 1984 he did call specifically for canceling the AH-64 Apache helicopter..That is true, although they fail to mention is that Dick Cheney, who was Secretary of Defense at the time, also proposed canceling the Apache helicopter program five years after Kerry did.


Bush's camp makes the claim that Kerry is weak on defense, and says he has a pattern of voting "against" the military funds. Bush bases his claim mainly on Kerry's votes against overall Pentagon money bills in 1990, 1995 and 1996, but these were not votes against specific weapons. In fact Kerry voted for Pentagon authorization bills in 16 of the 19 years he's been in the Senate.


Then Bush wants to blame the recession on Clinton. He says "I inherited a recession, I didnt create one." But the National Bureau of Research, a nonpartisan research groups says the recession in actuality began in March of 2001 and ended in November of 2001. Of course you cannot fully blame Bush for a recession that began just 3 months after his entering office.. Although some believe the recession could have been caused by Bush talking down the economy in his 2000 campaign in an effort to gain support for his some 1.3 trillion dollar tax cuts, i believe was the number. So the fact that Bush says he INHERITED a recession is plain false, he did not inherit it..it did not begin before his taking office.

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The Bush campaign says Kerry voted to raise taxes 350+ times...and of course we now find out that many of those votes were listed twice... For procedural reasons the Senate often takes mutiple distinct votes on the same legislation, and honest accounting for Kerry's votes would not list these as seperate votes.
They also have tried to distort these votes. One of their tactics is to bash Kerry for "raising taxes" when in fact he was voting for a redistribution of the tax burden. Some of his votes for in favor of MAINTAINING certain already in place tax codes. In example : He voted in 86 to maintain the cigerette tax at 16 cents per pack rather than dropping it to 8 cents, which was intended to gain revenue to offset Medicare premium increases.

In 1992 Kerry voted FOR the $300 pr child tax credit, and the $2000 pr year tax free IRA Contribution , and paid for it by increasing taxes slightly for the very wealthy...Of course the GOP cites this in their list of Kerry raising taxes, of course had he voted against it they would say he "doesnt support the child tax credit." --and even though they list this vote in their list, they fail to mention that EVERY republican senator voted for this as well!

Now of course in their list of 350 there are some REAL instances of Kerry voting to raise taxes in different areas...but of course he felt he had good reason.

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Bush's camp believes that programs and higher education funds should capped. And they believe , based on their support for programs that people dont need much gov't help when it comes to higher education, and in fact that is not true.

As President Kerry plans to offer a College Opportunity Tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down. He plans to propose a program called SERVICE FOR COLLEGE. Their proposal is if you serve for 2 yrs in the service, they will fully fund four years of college for you.

Kerry will introduce market forces to overhaul guaranteed student loans, saving taxpayers billions without charging students a penny more.


Republicans say Kerry has no plan but to raise taxes on everybody and they are wrong...

Chris

[DrummerDeanna]

Make sure you watch the debates Jill..I feel this debate will not be like the Gore and Bush debates of 2000 when in one Gore agreed with Bush something like 30 times. There are HUGE differences in the two candidates, and it will show. Bush is not a very good speaker, especially when it comes to live things such as press conferences and debates, but he does have a way to put things simply that most voters latch onto (even if at times he is wrong about what he's saying,)
I think John Kerry, with his intelligence will show Bush up in the debates. He feels very passionately about the issues at hand, what he plans to do in the next 4 yrs, and what Bush hasnt done in the last 4 yrs or has done wrong. John Kerry is not a wimp, like many believe...you will see.

I was at a conference recently at which I saw Kerry and then Bush speak - over two days.

Kerry (or at least his speech writer) really did the research - the speech was powerful and tailored to the crowd - which got great response....then came the question and answer session with a panel of people representing the convention - Kerry did well - some hard questions were asked - but he held his own...

Bush - walked onto the stage seeming like he could care less (did I mention this was a conference of four minority groups -black, hispanic, native american, asian american) He seemingly did no research and didn't mention any issues pertaining to the minority groups - I think he once mentioned povety - but offered no solution....

Then...the question and answers...the panel nailed him...he couldn't answer the questions - or wouldn't and the panelists were calling him on it - the questions pertained to tribal sovreignty (Bush got laughed at on this answer he fumbled so badly), affirmative action....I mean - Bush showed his true colors in his inability to inteligently answer these questions....then it got to the point where Bush cut the guy off and basically walked off stage....

Now I went to that speech with an open mind- I was excited to see the leader of the free world speak - I thought at the very least he'd be a dynamic and powerful speaker - I was completely disapointed....

[gldstwmn]

nobody i know thats going for kerry has any other reason they're voting for kerry other than "i hate bush" or their parents vote democrat.


Oh well, now there's a shocker. :shocked:

[gldstwmn]

and most kerry supporters are voting for him because they hate bush. yeah there are exceptions.....maybe you're an exception. both sides have every kind of people.....you seem to think that the only people that vote for bush are hicks who can't speak proper english. i can assure you i'm no hick and i speak english just fine.

If you really want to convince people of this, then perhaps you might want to capitalize your proper nouns. :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

There's a nice new Kerry quote about Bush that I love.

''It all comes down to one letter - W,'' Kerry said, meaning the initial in George W. Bush. ''And the W stands for wrong,'' he said. ''The W stands for wrong choices, wrong judgment, wrong priorities, wrong direction for our country.''



That's what Paul Begala and James Carville bring to a campaign. You're going to see a lot more of this from Kerry. :nod: