Tusk Song Survivor!

[77Rumours77]

BACK AGAIN FOR A 3rd TIME. Song Survivor, Tusk Style!!! OK Same basic rules apply. But we are going to have some twists, Were going to have immunity!!!! How? you may ask. Well I'll get to that in a minute. OK so lets see the contestants......


Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
Sara
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Thats All For Evreyone
Not That Funny
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Honey Hi
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget


Ok, Now how immunity will work. I will ask a question after tribal counsel and I will leave and e-mail address, (Can't use my Ledge Box. It's kinda full with stuff I need) So the FIRST person to e-mail me with the correct answer will be able to pick, So you will have to answer and also in the mail put the song you want to have immunity for the next round. Ok Let the games begin :::Olympic them song plays in back ground:::

---No Immunity Tonight for the simple fact it is the first round.

[77Rumours77]

Thats Enough For Me Damn right, That Is Enough For Me, fo that song :laugh:

[shackin'up]

HONEY HI, bye bye

[Bryan]

but I vote Not That Funny

[Hawkeye]

Oh man I LOVE that new twist. That is freaking sweet. So we can give songs we know are in danger immunity, you are a genious.


My vote is for Save Me a Place.

[David]

I want to watch Storms blow away.

[Johnny Stew]

As Stevie says, "the first cut is the deepest one of all"... bye-bye to "Save Me A Place," the only song on 'Tusk' that I truly dislike.

[amber]

Over and Over...not quite, I don't even listen to you once all the way through! :laugh:
By the way, David...Storms? C'mon! :distress: :laugh:
AMber

[DownOnRodeo]

What makes <b>What Makes You Think You're the One</b> think it's the one?

[xdreamsunwindx]

Sara. All I ever wanted was to see it leaving.

(okay. that was lame.)

-Kate

[golden braid]

That's All For Everyone

[Hippocampus]

Not That Funny... because it's really not

[ShamHy89]

Looks like I'll be voting the same until the very end.

Sara

Shamus

[GypsySorcerer]

That's All For Everyone...bye!

[SaraRhiannon]

voting off Honey Hi.

[EnchantedSLN]

BROWN EYES!

[GateandGarden]

I'm not really a "Walk a Thin Line" fan, so I guess I'm going with that.

What's with all the hatred for "Sara"? I can understand people saying it's not their favorite...but their very least favorite? :distress:

Hillary

[Sugar]

That's Enough For Me

[GateandGarden]

What about "That's All for Everyone"? Not that I'm voting that one off now, 'cause I like it. I'm just pointing out that it's not on the list.

Hillary

[Lala]

That's Enough For Me

Stay away from Sara!!!!

[ryan8472]

I vote for Save Me A Place. It has no place .

[sodascouts]

I vote for the puke-inducing sweetness of Honey Hi.

[Hawkeye]

oh my god this round one is gonna be TIGHT as hell. It looks like it's between Save Me a Place, Not That Funny, Honey Hi, and That's Enough For Me, and for all I know there might be more. This is EXCITING. Tango in the Night was really predicticable, Tusk is already the funnest one yet.

Save Not That Funny and Honey Hi... Vote Save Me a Place

[GardenStateGirlie]

That's All For Everyone....it just bugs.

:waits for Dissention's snarky reply to Lindsey-song-hate ;) :

[Vianna]

Counting on my fingers counting on my toes-The Ledge-outta here!

[GateandGarden]

Aw man. I LOVE "The Ledge" and "That's All For Everyone."

:rolleyes: Is it okay for me to whine about the stuff I don't want voted off? I know it's futile! :laugh:

Hillary

[DeadliestPoison]

Sara. Must. Die.

So it gets my vote. Hi, Kate! :D :wavey:

[DeadliestPoison]

What's with all the hatred for "Sara"? I can understand people saying it's not their favorite...but their very least favorite? :distress:
I'll take "Most Boring Song Ever" for $1000, Alan.

[xdreamsunwindx]

I'll take "Most Boring Song Ever" for $1000, Alan.

<3333

Well said, Greggeh. Well. said.

-Kate

[rezamatic]

I can't wait to see how this plays out. I have a feeling that my fav Lindsey songs are going to get targetted early, unfortunately, so I'll probably be heartbroken by the time it's all said and done...

The ONLY song that has not been able to grow on me on this album is "Honey Hi", which I think is totally pointless and just nonexistent (even compared to "Walk a Thin Line" and other tracks). The song goes nowhere and doesn't work, in my opinion.

SO... Honey Hi? More like Honey BYE!

[77Rumours77]

Counting on my fingers counting on my toes-The Ledge-outta here!

Are you insane?!?!?!?! O you'v done it now! The people in the White Coats and coming to take you to the padded room! :lol: :p :p ;) :wavey:

[GateandGarden]

I'll take "Most Boring Song Ever" for $1000, Alan.
What is, "When I See You Again" :D :laugh:

[face of glass]

Oh, no difficulties in guessing what particular eight songs are gonna be gone next. ;)
For now, "Honey Hi" should go. It's the random group-sex song of the album.

[HomerMcvie]

Storms sucks! Bye- bye Storms. (taking cover from the Chiffonese patrol now......) :lol:

[tynan88]

I'm Voting Honey Hi...I don't believe I'm having to same Storms so early in the piece...I love it.

Tynan

[Claudia]

Not That Funny...

[MikeB]

i vote Not That Funny

[Lala]

I'll take "Most Boring Song Ever" for $1000, Alan.

*hanging head in disgust* You're all terrible people :p

Hmm...I kinda thought Sara would win this but all the Sara haters are coming out of the woodwork.

Best Song Ever!

[dissention]

That's All For Everyone....it just bugs.

:waits for Dissention's snarky reply to Lindsey-song-hate ;) :

Damn skippy. ;) :shocked:

This is such blasphemy. Save Me A Place is just genius and to see it get any votes right off the bat brings a tear to my eyes. So, I'm going to make this a spite vote:

Sara

Get outta here, you old sow. ;)

[dissention]

Storms sucks! Bye- bye Storms. (taking cover from the Chiffonese patrol now......) :lol:

I not a Chiffonhead, my dear, but Storms is greatness. La Nicks' best song. ;)

But I still want Save Me A Place to win (laugh if you must!). I've still never gotten over Le Stew's comment that Save Me A Place was "musical sludge." People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :p :laugh: :wavey:

[dissention]

Hmm...I kinda thought Sara would win this but all the Sara haters are coming out of the woodwork.

Best Song Ever!

Yeah, after a few stiff drinks. ;)

[ShamHy89]

This is such blasphemy. Save Me A Place is just genius and to see it get any votes right off the bat brings a tear to my eyes. So, I'm going to make this a spite vote:

How very nice of you!

I'll take "Most Boring Song Ever" for $1000, Alan.

:nod:

Shamus

[jwd]

No Place for Save Me A Place. It's incredibly booooooooring. :wavey:

[Serrart]

That's Enough For Me... really :nod:

Romy

[ontheEdgeof17]

That's Enough For Me buh-bye


-Curt

[HomerMcvie]

I not a Chiffonhead, my dear, but Storms is greatness. La Nicks' best song.

But I still want Save Me A Place to win (laugh if you must!). I've still never gotten over Le Stew's comment that Save Me A Place was "musical sludge." People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Storm's is just soooooo slow and plodding................................sorry, I fell asleep thinking about it.
I love Save Me A Place, and That's All For Everyone.
And speaking of sludge, Beautiful Child just bores the **** out of me, too. :sorry:JMO

[Patti]

Buh bye Honey Hi

[Cristian]

Buh... these Stevie/Lindsey fans will make this a Stevie/Lindsey survivor pretty soon, although they should know that the best song in this album belongs to mrs. McVie. Oh well...

worst song of the bunch:

That's All For Everyone

Then I'll go for that Lindsey song he wrote and recorded twice with a different title.

[ReFleetwoodMac]

Destroy That's All For Everyone!

[dissention]

And speaking of sludge, Beautiful Child just bores the **** out of me, too. :sorry:JMO

I like all of Stevie's Tusk songs. Sara gets on my nerves a lot, but I love the others. :D

[Merf]

Honey Hi :rolleyes:

[dissention]

Buh... these Stevie/Lindsey fans will make this a Stevie/Lindsey survivor pretty soon, although they should know that the best song in this album belongs to mrs. McVie. Oh well....

I don't really like any of Chris' Tusk songs, but Brown Eyes better make it to the final three. ;) My final three would be Save Me A Place, Brown Eyes, and Storms, but no one ever accused me of being a realist. :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

Heh Cistine had the final 2 songs in Tango in the Night, there is clearly no prejudice here.

And I'll be voting out Sara but only when Save Me a Place is gone :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

But I still want Save Me A Place to win (laugh if you must!). I've still never gotten over Le Stew's comment that Save Me A Place was "musical sludge." People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :p :laugh: :wavey:

I noticed about 100 busted windows in your house. ;)

Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge.

"Don't know why I have to woo-ork.
Don't know why I ca-an't plaa-ay.
Turn me off, turn me ou-out,
But do-on't tu-urn me a-wa-ay.
Saaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaave.... me a plaa-ace.
I'll come runnin', if you loooooooooooooooo-oooooooove me todaaa-aay...."

*yawn*

Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June. :shrug:

"Sara" is an alchemic masterpiece of beautiful lyrics, lilting vocals and sublime instrumentation.
"Save Me A Place" is just sludge. :nod:

(Oh, and a boo and a hiss to those voting against "That's All For Everyone." :( )

[xdreamsunwindx]

"Sara" is an alchemic masterpiece of beautiful lyrics, lilting vocals and sublime instrumentation.
"Save Me A Place" is just sludge. :nod:


I'd beg to differ. ;)

With Sara, there is just too much going on. SMAP is so simple yet so profound. That's what makes it a masterpiece, in my opinion. Maybe if Sara was a little more stripped down, it would have the same effect. :shrug:

-Kate

[Nightbird_Brett]

Whoa! This one will be hard for me as Tusk is my favorite FM album. My vote goes to Honey Hi...never got into that one too much. It's killing me to see all the votes for Save Me A Place and Sara.

[amber]

Storms sucks! Bye- bye Storms. (taking cover from the Chiffonese patrol now......) :lol:
Chiffon Patrol here....PUT THE STORMS DOWN!!! I REPEAT, PUT IT DOWN!!! :laugh: That's one of my faves, and i figured out a kick ass harmony to it, which is not as easy when Stevie's singin'

By the way, the more polite name than "most boring song ever" for Sara is "Stevie's Quaalude Song" tsk, tsk...
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

SMAP is so simple yet so profound. That's what makes it a masterpiece, in my opinion.

Stripped-down is fine, but pacing is everything. And the pacing of "Save Me A Place" is horrendous. I can't get through it. It makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry.

Even though "Sara," "Storms" and "Beautiful Child" are all slow songs, at least they're paced well.
Same with "That's All For Everyone"... which I LOVE. It's simple, it's stripped down, it's slow, but it has great pacing, and... most importantly... it's INTERESTING.

Christine's much-maligned 'Tusk' offerings are far and above better than "Save Me A Place." It's the only clunker on the entire album, in my opinion. In fact, I think it's my least-favorite Lindsey song. Period.

[amber]

That's Enough For Me... really :nod:

Romy
But, But, ....YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, EAAAAHHH,AH AH AH AAAAAAHHHH, OOOOOHHHHH OH OH
is greatness...
:( :confused:
Amber

[amber]

I noticed about 100 busted windows in your house. ;)

Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge.

"Don't know why I have to woo-ork.
Don't know why I ca-an't plaa-ay.
Turn me off, turn me ou-out,
But do-on't tu-urn me a-wa-ay.
Saaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaave.... me a plaa-ace.
I'll come runnin', if you loooooooooooooooo-oooooooove me todaaa-aay...."

*yawn*

Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June. :shrug:

"Sara" is an alchemic masterpiece of beautiful lyrics, lilting vocals and sublime instrumentation.
"Save Me A Place" is just sludge. :nod:

(Oh, and a boo and a hiss to those voting against "That's All For Everyone." :( )
Oh, did you catch the June-Uphill-Molasses-Run this season? It was great, no? That molasses from Vermont was really dominant - but of course that's to be expected :lol: :p
AMber

[Hawkeye]

I not a Chiffonhead, my dear, but Storms is greatness. La Nicks' best song. ;)

But I still want Save Me A Place to win (laugh if you must!). I've still never gotten over Le Stew's comment that Save Me A Place was "musical sludge." People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :p :laugh: :wavey:

I thought Storms was your favorite Fleetwood Mac song? You're pulling for SMAP out of spite for Le Stew. Well it doesn't matter, Save Me a Place won't make it to the top 10 :xoxo: :laugh:

[face of glass]

Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge.

"Don't know why I have to woo-ork.
Don't know why I ca-an't plaa-ay.
Turn me off, turn me ou-out,
But do-on't tu-urn me a-wa-ay.
Saaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaave.... me a plaa-ace.
I'll come runnin', if you loooooooooooooooo-oooooooove me todaaa-aay...."

*yawn*

Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June. :shrug:
Stripped-down is fine, but pacing is everything. And the pacing of "Save Me A Place" is horrendous. I can't get through it. It makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry.
****, it's his "When I See You Again". What the hell do you expect? ;)

The Grande Esoterica at work again. :nod:

[Serrart]

But, But, ....YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, EAAAAHHH,AH AH AH AAAAAAHHHH, OOOOOHHHHH OH OH
is greatness...
:( :confused:
Amber

Oh yes, definitely the heart of the lyrics ;)

Romy

[DeeGeMe]

Save me a Place must not be saved. It must die. Die I say!

[shackin'up]

Not That Funny... because it's really not


well......that's what it says....no?

I know this song will be butchered soon, but hey, it's nice to know that a real taste is not there for everyone.... :D :p ;)

[David]

Honey Hi :rolleyes:
Ach, that poor song. I love it so much, but if it must go, it must. I think only keyboardists like that song.

Has Storms been kicked to the curb yet? How about Beautiful Child? If they've been dumped already, I'll vote to remove Sisters of the Moon. It should have been eclipsed a long time ago. Do we really need Fleetwood Mac Goes Cock-Rock?

[Johnny Stew]

Do we really need Fleetwood Mac Goes Cock-Rock?

"Come" isn't on this album, silly. ;) :laugh:

I love "Honey Hi," too. I love all of Christine's songs on 'Tusk'... "Brown Eyes," "Honey Hi," and "Never Forget," being the best of the batch.

[Johnny Stew]

****, it's his "When I See You Again". What the hell do you expect? ;)

The Grande Esoterica at work again. :nod:

You forget that I love the esoteric stuff. But "Save Me A Place" isn't esoteric... it's just boring. :laugh: ;)

[dougl]

:distress: What makes you think it's not that funny ?
My vote goes for Not That Funny...he he

[Sugar]

Ach, that poor song. I love it so much, but if it must go, it must. I think only keyboardists like that song.



Non-keyboardist that loves Honey Hi here! :wavey:

[BellaDonna98]

I'm voting for "Save Me A Place."

[DeeGeMe]

"Come" isn't on this album, silly. ;) :laugh:

I love "Honey Hi," too. I love all of Christine's songs on 'Tusk'... "Brown Eyes," "Honey Hi," and "Never Forget," being the best of the batch.


I love Christine's songs on this album too--they're some of my all-time fav FM songs and this is from a confirmed chiffonhead!

[HomerMcvie]

And the pacing of "Save Me A Place" is horrendous. I can't get through it. It makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry.
Johnny, you FINALLY said something that made me laugh. Welcome to our cult. Keep up the good work.

[77Rumours77]

HOLY CRAP THIS WAS TIGHT!
Wow, This was very close. But the votes show that Honey Hi will be the first to leave.

Tonights Recap
Honey Hi - 8
Save Me A Place - 6
Not That Funny - 5
Thats Enough For Me - 5
Sara - 4
Thats All FOr Everyone - 4
Storms - 2
What Make's You Think Your The One - 1
Over And Over - 1
Sisters Of The Moon - 1
Brown Eyes - 1

Remaning Contestants
Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
Sara
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Thats All For Everyone
Not That Funny
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Honey Hi
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget

Voted Off
Honey Hi - 8/15

[77Rumours77]

OK I vote for Thats Enough For Me

Ok, Immunity Time... Here you are I am going to ask a Question and you will have to answer it in a guest book I made. Please put you Name, Ledge User Name, Answer, and Immunity Song

Ok heres the question......
What was Fleetwood Mac's only no. 1 hit? (Yea I know its easy, I promise they will get better)

Please put your answer here. http://users.quickfox.org/~fleetwoodmac/gb.htm

[HomerMcvie]

Please put your answer here. http://users.quickfox.org/~fleetwoodmac/gb.htm
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[GypsySorcerer]

I vote That's All for Everyone. Please go NOW!

[ontheEdgeof17]

That's all for That's All For Everyone


-Curt

[Johnny Stew]

"Save Me A Place."

[dissention]

I thought Storms was your favorite Fleetwood Mac song? You're pulling for SMAP out of spite for Le Stew. Well it doesn't matter, Save Me a Place won't make it to the top 10 :xoxo: :laugh:

No, it's my favorite Nicks song, solo and with the Mac. ;)

Save Me A Place is greatness.

[dissention]

Even though "Sara," "Storms" and "Beautiful Child" are all slow songs, at least they're paced well.

Sara is horribly paced. It sounds lush, but it just goes on and on and on and on and on without doing much of anything. Thank god that twenty minute version never surfaced, I'd be hanging from the rafters at this very moment.

[dissention]

Sara

See ya.

[Johnny Stew]

Sara is horribly paced. It sounds lush, but it just goes on and on and on and on and on without doing much of anything. Thank god that twenty minute version never surfaced, I'd be hanging from the rafters at this very moment.

Give me a minute to figure out if that's a bad thing or a good thing.
Wait. I'll come to me.

:laugh: :laugh: ;) :xoxo:

As I've said in the past, "Sara" is beautifully languid... it's like a stream of crystal-clear water, cascading over the rocks in a river bed. Slowly revealing the secrets it holds.

Meanwhile, "Save Me A Place" is molasses rolling up a hill in June. :p It reminds me of those dreams where you're trying to walk fast or run, but your legs feel extremely heavy and you're not making any progress.

[jwd]

Once again...."Save Me A Place". It's crap! :laugh:

[77Rumours77]

Error 404. File not found. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Sorry I havent Got it up yet, FU*KING server is acting up again! It should be up in 10 MIN!

[sparky]

Stripped-down is fine, but pacing is everything. And the pacing of "Save Me A Place" is horrendous. I can't get through it. It makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry.


Johnny, your vitriol is warming my heart. Have you been studying Dissention's posts ?

I vote for Not That Funny.

[dissention]

Johnny, your vitriol is warming my heart. Have you been studying Dissention's posts ?

:lol: C'mon, I'm not that bad!

[sparky]

:lol: C'mon, I'm not that bad!

Au Contraire. Mon Frere. You're that good. :xoxo:

[golden braid]

That's All For Everyone again

[dissention]

Au Contraire. Mon Frere. You're that good. :xoxo:

Stop stating the obvious. ;) :xoxo:

[Lala]

That's Enough For Me

[Johnny Stew]

Johnny, your vitriol is warming my heart. Have you been studying Dissention's posts ?

:laugh:
Crikey... when I start getting compared to dissention, I know I'm in trouble! :laugh: ;)

"Save Me A Place" sucks. I can't help it.
I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy... it just sucks. I even tried to say something nice about it, but the best I could come up with, is that I like the harmonies. :shrug:

[dissention]

I even tried to say something nice about it, but the best I could come up with, is that I like the harmonies. :shrug:

That's better than me when it comes to WISYA. ;) Oh, wait. I do like something about it. The end. :lol:

[GateandGarden]

Okay, I want to vote for "Walk a Thin Line," but that seems to be futile, so I'm going to go with "That's Enough for Me," even though I like it more.

Hillary

[77Rumours77]

OK, The Guest Book wont be up tonight! Sorry, Although it was answerd, I will let you all know tomorrow :o :o :thumbsup:

[sparky]

I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy...

:lol:

Unlike some of us !

[HomerMcvie]

Wait a minute baby, stay with me awhile........
on second thought.....
get out Sara

[dissention]

:lol:

Unlike some of us !

I was just going to say that, too!!!! :lol: :wavey:

[sparky]

I was just going to say that, too!!!! :lol: :wavey:

Great minds, and all that :thumbsup:

[Hawkeye]

I think it would help if we knew which song had immunity before we started voting. If you're link isn't working, then maybe the first person to answer correctly in the thread could choose immuntiy.

Like I could say the answer is "Dreams" and I want Not That Funny to have immunity.

You can either count that or not, but I think in the future it would really help to find out immunity right away and just have us answer. So maybe you could use my thread here as the first example...

But if not my vote is again for Save Me a Place

[Wild_Heart03]

I vote for That's All For Everyone.

[David]

Ok heres the question......
What was Fleetwood Mac's only no. 1 hit? (Yea I know its easy, I promise they will get better)
They have to be accurate, at least, Jacob. Both Albatross & Dreams were No. 1 songs.

Were there others?

[Johnny Stew]

They have to be accurate, at least, Jacob. Both Albatross & Dreams were No. 1 songs.

Were there others?

By his wording, I believe Jacob was asking which song was FM's only US #1. :)

[Hawkeye]

They have to be accurate, at least, Jacob. Both Albatross & Dreams were No. 1 songs.

Were there others?.

You Make Loving Fun and Dreams were #1 in Canada.

Oh Well and Go Your Own Way were #1 in Holland.

And add in the already mentioned albatross and that means worldwide Fleetwood Mac had 5 #1 hits.
.
Heh not only did I get the original question right, I added like 4 things. I should DEFINITELY get to choose who gets immunuty :laugh: And to remind you it's Not That Funny :laugh:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Sara. Sorry hun, you aren't the poet in my heart.

-Kate

[GardenStateGirlie]

Voting once again for That's All For Everyone

[DeadliestPoison]

Yep, still hating Sara over here. Bye!

[face of glass]

You forget that I love the esoteric stuff. But "Save Me A Place" isn't esoteric... it's just boring. :laugh: ;)
Meanwhile, "Save Me A Place" is molasses rolling up a hill in June. :p It reminds me of those dreams where you're trying to walk fast or run, but your legs feel extremely heavy and you're not making any progress.
"Save Me A Place" is as esoteric as "When I See You Again", don't get me wrong. But it definitely isn't inaccessible. There may be a few people on this board rooting out for it (not me though) but when I read commentary from outside reviewers, stuff like "the most emotionally resonant piece on the album", it can be identified with by others, too.

"SMAP" is Lindsey's attempt to make music in the singer-songwriter formula, without the usual "excessive" arranging. It's a formula he rarely gets into. The song speaks of depression like "When I See You Again", but then again not the kind of depression that you seem to identify with. "Don't know why I have to work, don't know why I can't play". It's a very passive statement, it speaks of mornings when you just can't be bothered to get ouf of bed. And yet there's a glimmer of hope coming through it, like in "When I See You Again".

Of course, whatever you're stating in this thread isn't any less harsh than the "WISYA" 'critique' that you've seen yourself. So there goes your reputation as the UN of the board out of the window. Bring on the US. ;)

Not that I mind that much. "SMAP", "WISYA", in fact, everything this band and its solo artists have released, is just awfully boring.

[face of glass]

Oh, and the one I want out of this stinkin' crappile? "Angel".

[Hawkeye]

in fact, everything this band and its solo artists have released, is just awfully boring.

What? are you serious. Are was that a joke?

[Johnny Stew]

"Save Me A Place" is as esoteric as "When I See You Again", don't get me wrong. But it definitely isn't inaccessible. There may be a few people on this board rooting out for it (not me though) but when I read commentary from outside reviewers, stuff like "the most emotionally resonant piece on the album", it can be identified with by others, too.

"SMAP" is Lindsey's attempt to make music in the singer-songwriter formula, without the usual "excessive" arranging. It's a formula he rarely gets into. The song speaks of depression like "When I See You Again", but then again not the kind of depression that you seem to identify with. "Don't know why I have to work, don't know why I can't play". It's a very passive statement, it speaks of mornings when you just can't be bothered to get ouf of bed. And yet there's a glimmer of hope coming through it, like in "When I See You Again".

It's not that I can't identify with it, or anything like that. I think we can all identify with the desire to play instead of working, and I think we can all identify with the need to have our "place" in the world.
The song just doesn't do anything for me.

It's not even a case like "Say Goodbye," where I LOVE the lyrics, but I'm not crazy about the album arrangement (I am, however, completely in love with the 'Live In Boston' performance). I'm unable to find anything to like about "Save Me A Place," even though I want to, and even though I've tried.

Of course, whatever you're stating in this thread isn't any less harsh than the "WISYA" 'critique' that you've seen yourself. So there goes your reputation as the UN of the board out of the window. Bring on the US. ;)

I think I can be allowed one song to have a deep dislike for. ;)
Even others that I've cited as "least favorites," are not songs I have a deep distaste for. They're just songs I like less than others.
But with "Save Me A Place".... well, let's just say I won't be joining its appreciation society any time soon. :)

What boggles my mind, is that "Save Me A Place" is so often put ahead of "That's All For Everyone"... which, in my opinion, is one of Lindsey's all-time best songs. Certainly one of his shining moments on 'Tusk.'
I listen to that song in total bliss. :)

[face of glass]

What? are you serious. Are was that a joke?
What? Are you serious in this post of yours? There's no emoticon anywhere. There must be an emoticon if you want your post to be humorous. It's the right thing to do. Otherwise someone will hit your fingers with a stick.

[sodascouts]

I'm voting off more Chris schmaltz: Never Forget

[shackin'up]

Okay, it's getting hard already:

Never Make Me Cry

[Bryan]

I'm voting off more Chris schmaltz: Never Forget

:eek: Schmaltz?!! Nancy,I'm suspecting you might be a Chris hater..the BuckinghamNicks only site..repeatedly voting off Chris songs..referring to Chris songs as schmaltz :lol: hmm plenty of evidence lol:D

Meanwhile i'm voting off That's Enough For Me

[Sugar]

That's Enough for Me

[Patti]

I gotta go with Johnny Stew on this one and vote for Save Me A Place. I love my Lindsey, but I have just never been able to like this song. The thing about it that bugs me the most is that drum drilling a hole in my head. It's so monotonous, I want to die.

[face of glass]

I think I can be allowed one song to have a deep dislike for.
That was never the issue here. Like what you like, dislike what you dislike, write the usual "that's cool, that's crap" posts and it doesn't bother me.
It's just that in this case your rhetorics are on the same level as Dissention's "WISYA" bashing. What raises tempers in you is bound to raise tempers in others as well. No matter how eloquently the Beaver County Librarian might type them down, they're still spurred by the emotional response to the piece, and quite possibly by the critique that has been thrown at one of the most esoteric moments of your preferred member in the band, a song that you have a deep emotional connection with. But whatever.
What boggles my mind, is that "Save Me A Place" is so often put ahead of "That's All For Everyone"... which, in my opinion, is one of Lindsey's all-time best songs. Certainly one of his shining moments on 'Tusk.'
Earlier you stated that "there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song". How come Bob Josef then states on this page http://starling.rinet.ru/music/fmacc.htm#Tusk that "he can suck you in anyway, with the title track, "Save Me A Place," "Walk a Thin Line," because the sound is so compelling."? Obviously the aural experiences of "Save Me A Place" from both of you differ like night and day.
In the Tango In The Night survivor thread you criticized "Ricky", even typed down it's lyrics to show how "anemic" it is and how there's not that much going on in that song either. Considering how you are a person who takes lyrical contributions to be very important to a song, it is not surprising to hear an opinion like this from you.
So, um, what makes "That's All For Everyone" so outstanding then? There's not much lyrical content there either, now is there? Of course, if you prefer to hear less than two minutes of a musical & lyrical loop than four minutes of one (="Ricky") then I do understand your statement.
"Save Me A Place", "That's All For Everyone" and "Ricky" are in essence relatively esoteric pieces with sparse lyrics. The message of these songs reaches beyond the superficial lyrical content. Whatever simplicity there seems to be, it is always shaded by something complex and carefully thought-out. The same I can say for the likes of "When I See You Again". The things the songs are trying to convey may be cryptic for some, but they can all be related to on a deep emotional level. Of course it might take a bulldozer, a battle-axe and the willpower of Mohammed to get to that point, but whatever.

[face of glass]

The thing about it that bugs me the most is that drum drilling a hole in my head. It's so monotonous, I want to die.
= Chinese Water Torture. :nod: ;)

[Hippocampus]

well......that's what it says....no?


Of course I was only stating the obvious, my dear.


I know this song will be butchered soon, but hey, it's nice to know that a real taste is not there for everyone.... :D :p ;)

Great idea. Let's carve Not That Funny to pieces. Yes that's my vote again :)

[Hippocampus]

Johnny, you FINALLY said something that made me laugh. Welcome to our cult. Keep up the good work.


Oh... You mean you were trying to be funny all along ? :lol:

[ShamHy89]

Sara..."and will you ever stop?"

Shamus

[dougl]

Round 2

Okay, it's still not that funny, don't know what it is...
My vote goes for NTF again.

[Vianna]

Counting on my fingers, counting on my toes-The Ledge-outta here!

[Vianna]

I am sorry about Honey Hi, but so far Brown Eyes has survived...now if that goes I'll be really sad...

[MirrorInTheSky]

Not That Funny....not only is it not that funny, it's not that good.

[77Rumours77]

NO IMMUNITY.......

I am not doing immunity tonight. I was stupid enough to ask a question that had 3 different answers. Sorry. I will give this ago tonight! Again Sorry!

[HomerMcvie]

Oh... You mean you were trying to be funny all along ?
Qui, moi? Or le Stew? Me, I'm the funniest MF I know.......just ask me. :D
Although I can't hold a candle to Dissention or Lux!

[amber]

I reviewed all of Tusk last night, and i realized my vote would have to be:
Walk a Thin Line
By the way, Rumours 77, Can Tusk have 2 survivors since it's a double album?I think that is an idea that should definitely be implemented....
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

That was never the issue here. Like what you like, dislike what you dislike, write the usual "that's cool, that's crap" posts and it doesn't bother me.
It's just that in this case your rhetorics are on the same level as Dissention's "WISYA" bashing. What raises tempers in you is bound to raise tempers in others as well. No matter how eloquently the Beaver County Librarian might type them down, they're still spurred by the emotional response to the piece, and quite possibly by the critique that has been thrown at one of the most esoteric moments of your preferred member in the band, a song that you have a deep emotional connection with. But whatever.

Earlier you stated that "there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song". How come Bob Josef then states on this page http://starling.rinet.ru/music/fmacc.htm#Tusk that "he can suck you in anyway, with the title track, "Save Me A Place," "Walk a Thin Line," because the sound is so compelling."? Obviously the aural experiences of "Save Me A Place" from both of you differ like night and day.
In the Tango In The Night survivor thread you criticized "Ricky", even typed down it's lyrics to show how "anemic" it is and how there's not that much going on in that song either. Considering how you are a person who takes lyrical contributions to be very important to a song, it is not surprising to hear an opinion like this from you.
So, um, what makes "That's All For Everyone" so outstanding then? There's not much lyrical content there either, now is there? Of course, if you prefer to hear less than two minutes of a musical & lyrical loop than four minutes of one (="Ricky") then I do understand your statement.
"Save Me A Place", "That's All For Everyone" and "Ricky" are in essence relatively esoteric pieces with sparse lyrics. The message of these songs reaches beyond the superficial lyrical content. Whatever simplicity there seems to be, it is always shaded by something complex and carefully thought-out. The same I can say for the likes of "When I See You Again". The things the songs are trying to convey may be cryptic for some, but they can all be related to on a deep emotional level. Of course it might take a bulldozer, a battle-axe and the willpower of Mohammed to get to that point, but whatever.

I don't know how it comes off, but I never take personal offense to anyone not liking "When I See You Again."
I think the song is brilliant, and to be totally honest, I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it. I'd be perfectly content being the one and only person in this entire world who likes it. I'm a snob in those regards. If I like a song, my opinion is the only one that matters to me.
But I'm fully prepared to discuss its merits, and to explain why I love it so much... without just falling into the "because I like it, that's why" trap.

And it's the same thing with "Save Me A Place." I'm not going to just vote it off, or say I dislike it, without offering an explanation as to why.

I'm not saying anyone else should dislike it... it just surprises me that it's liked more than "That's All For Everyone." A song that I feel, while lyrically simple (in the best of ways, mind you), has a lot of depth to it, both vocally and instrumentally.
But at the end of the day, it's not something I lose any sleep over.

Also, about the lyrics thing... I thought I've stated on many occasions that a song doesn't have to be lyrics-heavy for me to enjoy it. I am a Lindsey fan, and most of his songs are not lyrics-heavy. But yeah, if you're going to make me choose between someone who tends to have sparse lyrics, and someone whose songs are lyrics-dominated, then I'll take the latter... but that's just the way I lean, and it doesn't at all mean that I don't still like and appreciate the former style.

I also thought I explained why I feel the way I do about "Ricky" (which is, for the record, a song I like).
It's just that I didn't feel it was strong enough for 'Tango,' as it is. "Everywhere" is also a relatively simple song, lyrically, and I love that song... and I know you have a deep distaste for it ("housewife music," and all that). In the case of "Ricky," I just feel that, at nearly 5 minutes long, it doesn't have enough going on in it to merit a spot on the album. I think that's a reasonable enough opinion. :shrug:

[sodascouts]

:eek: Schmaltz?!! Nancy,I'm suspecting you might be a Chris hater..the BuckinghamNicks only site..repeatedly voting off Chris songs..referring to Chris songs as schmaltz :lol: hmm plenty of evidence lol:D

Meanwhile i'm voting off That's Enough For Me

I don't hate Chris! I just don't like her as well as I do Lindsey or Stevie. That being said, I'll vote off "The Ledge" before "Think About Me" any day.

Johnny Stew - of all the songs to dislike, you pick the beautiful "Save Me a Place"? And not something like "Empire State"? Well, to each his/her own!

[Johnny Stew]

Johnny Stew - of all the songs to dislike, you pick the beautiful "Save Me a Place"? And not something like "Empire State"? Well, to each his/her own!

I also like "I Must Go," "Family Man," "Oh Diane" and "Not That Funny" better than "Save Me A Place"! :laugh:

They're all just more interesting to me... musically & vocally, and even lyrically for that matter. :shrug: :)

[dissention]

I also like "I Must Go," "Family Man," "Oh Diane" and "Not That Funny"

Good, because they're good songs. :D

[marc402]

damn i missed round 1 :)
not that it matters actualy as my vote would have been for hony hi aswell
i don't hate it perse but it has never interested me either

now for round 2 i vote of Beautiful Child love it in concert, but the album version never did anything for me

[Serrart]

That's Enough For Me, again.

Romy

[face of glass]

I think the song is brilliant, and to be totally honest, I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it. I'd be perfectly content being the one and only person in this entire world who likes it. I'm a snob in those regards. If I like a song, my opinion is the only one that matters to me.
And yet you still always speak up whenever the usual "WISYA" brawl comes up. Honestly, is it really all about keeping the precious balance between Lindsey and Stevie for you?
Do not try to pretend that when you see a particularly harsh critique of "When I See You Again" your emotions are not stirred. Random opinions from random, unknown posters shouldn't bother anyone; when you see an established member of the board making a statement like that several times in a row then at least I would take it seriously.
Your entire paragraph there could knock over your "everyone in this world can relate to Stevie's songs, if they really try" theory.
And it's the same thing with "Save Me A Place." I'm not going to just vote it off, or say I dislike it, without offering an explanation as to why.
Remember this thread? http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=12101&page=1&pp=15 This is where Mylittledemon stated something like 'Time sucks donkey's balls' and made a few people angry because of that.
Now let's look at what you have been writing earlier in this survivor thread:
Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge.
Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June.
It makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry.
"Save Me A Place" isn't esoteric... it's just boring.
"Save Me A Place" sucks. I can't help it.
I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy... it just sucks.
So quite honestly, I do not think this is anything different from what Mylittledemon stated in that thread I linked to. Only in a couple of places do I see a thing like "in my opinion", or something like that. Otherwise you're stating the thing like you were stating a fact, a thing ChiliD criticizes Mylittledemon of in the that particular thread.
Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.
In fact, I have even seen you criticizing certain people (you know who I'm referring to) for typing down similar things you just did in a thread, about a particular song. Which is why it was surprising to see statements like this from you several times in a row.
I'm not even that moved by "Save Me A Place". I'm just here to speak for the people who obviously are tremendously moved by it. I believe they weren't that bothered by your opinion on it. I also believe they can speak for themselves, Dissention and Kate have shown to me that they sure can and will do it when they feel the need for it.
But the weirdest thing was that you actually answered to every one of their comments, and even still felt the need to add the obligatory "SMAP sucks" statement, dressed in various guises. So you hate the song? Why bother saying it multiple times within a short time-frame? In fact, it was only when I came around with my usual long-winded nose-picking that you started to tone that opinion down.
But at the end of the day, it's not something I lose any sleep over.
Yes, well, I'll soon go off and start turning in my bed and enter work tired after having wetted my sheets because of this demon exorcising.
You don't care for the song? Fine. That never bothered me, it was your rhetorics that did.
I also thought I explained why I feel the way I do about "Ricky" (which is, for the record, a song I like).
Which you did do, but we'd have to have a musicological analysis on why "Ricky" supposedly has less going on in it than "That's All For Everyone". But of course, tastes are tastes, and "writing about music is like dancing about architecture".
"Everywhere" is also a relatively simple song, lyrically, and I love that song... and I know you have a deep distaste for it ("housewife music," and all that).
I do not have a deep distaste for any Fleetwood Mac song. As a great man once said: "it's a stupid thing to do, to hate music. You either care for it or you don't."
If I thoroughly hated "housewife music", I would also have to hate "Warm Ways", "Dreams", "Gypsy", "Only Over You", "Mystified", "Soul Drifter", "Nights In Estoril", "Friend", etc, most of those songs that I truly love.
I have learned to like "Everywhere" and it never took that long, at first though I felt it threatened my values of good music and my appreciation of Fleetwood Mac. It isn't all that different from what Chris did before, it was just the utter minimalism of it that initially seemed inappropriate. That's something that Chris rarely tried, maybe that's why it's still not too convincing. But a heartfelt thing it is, all the same. If I called it "housewife music", I never intended that statement to be a bashing one. Did I not call "Honey Hi" a group-sex song? Did I not call "Family Man" and "When I See You Again" self-parodies? Those are my honest opinions of them, no matter how goofball they may seem for some. Make of those what you want. But the overtones in the statements I have not intended as negative ones.
But, whatever.

[Claudia]

My vote goes to 'Not That Funny' again. I just don't like the song much.

[ryan8472]

Once again I vote for Save Me A Place. I'll stop voting if it stays in the top five :laugh:.

[Johnny Stew]

And yet you still always speak up whenever the usual "WISYA" brawl comes up. Honestly, is it really all about keeping the precious balance between Lindsey and Stevie for you?
Do not try to pretend that when you see a particularly harsh critique of "When I See You Again" your emotions are not stirred. Random opinions from random, unknown posters shouldn't bother anyone; when you see an established member of the board making a statement like that several times in a row then at least I would take it seriously.

Am I not allowed to defend the merits of a song I like? Do I have to give any weight to someone else's opinion, in order to still be allowed to disagree?

If someone says something sucks, and I disagree, then I'm going to open my mouth. Just as I expect someone to disagree with me when I dislike a song that they like.

The debates and the disagreements have never been an issue. ;)


Your entire paragraph there could knock over your "everyone in this world can relate to Stevie's songs, if they really try" theory.

Not at all. I said that it doesn't matter to me if I'm the only one who likes a song... I didn't say that no one else is ABLE to like the song.
Big difference. ;)



Only in a couple of places do I see a thing like "in my opinion", or something like that. Otherwise you're stating the thing like you were stating a fact, a thing ChiliD criticizes Mylittledemon of in the that particular thread.
Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.
In fact, I have even seen you criticizing certain people (you know who I'm referring to) for typing down similar things you just did in a thread, about a particular song. Which is why it was surprising to see statements like this from you several times in a row.
I'm not even that moved by "Save Me A Place". I'm just here to speak for the people who obviously are tremendously moved by it. I believe they weren't that bothered by your opinion on it. I also believe they can speak for themselves, Dissention and Kate have shown to me that they sure can and will do it when they feel the need for it.
But the weirdest thing was that you actually answered to every one of their comments, and even still felt the need to add the obligatory "SMAP sucks" statement, dressed in various guises. So you hate the song? Why bother saying it multiple times within a short time-frame? In fact, it was only when I came around with my usual long-winded nose-picking that you started to tone that opinion down.

I could just say that I'm only being funny. :) I mean, everyone tells me to lighten up, and just take comments in a humourous way... so why can't I try my hand at that?
I guess I can't branch out a little, and try a different tact... I don't wear it well apparently. :o Ah well.

While I didn't add "in my opinion" to every one of my statements, one of my initial comments was, "it's the only clunker on the album, in my opinion."

But we'll fix the others...

"Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge, IMO."

"Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song, in my opinion. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June, IMHO.

"In my opinion, it makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry."

"'Save Me A Place' isn't esoteric... it's just boring, IMVHO."

"'Save Me A Place' sucks, IMO. I can't help it, it's my opinion.
I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy... it just sucks, IMHO. "

There we go. :) ;)


I have learned to like "Everywhere" and it never took that long, at first though I felt it threatened my values of good music and my appreciation of Fleetwood Mac. It isn't all that different from what Chris did before, it was just the utter minimalism of it that initially seemed inappropriate. That's something that Chris rarely tried, maybe that's why it's still not too convincing. But a heartfelt thing it is, all the same. If I called it "housewife music", I never intended that statement to be a bashing one.

It sure didn't sound like a vote of approval... especially when you were offering it as the reason to vote the song off. ;) :laugh:

I guess you and I just have a hard time articulating ourselves when it comes to likes and dislikes regarding Fleetwood Mac. ;)

[amber]

It would be weird if people always had to say IMO before everything they said, cause, unless you're quoting someone, who else's opinion would it be? :confused: It's like one of those niceties of language that's totally pointless, meaning-wise...enjoy! :wavey:
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

It's like one of those niceties of language that's totally pointless, meaning-wise.

That's YOUR opinion, Amber!!!

;) :laugh:

[amber]

That's YOUR opinion, Amber!!!

;) :laugh:
I know, I wrote it! member? :laugh: But I just realized it IS different if you say IMHO, because then you are DESCRIBING your opinion, rather than just having one and expressing it. Then someone can go "well, I don't agree with them, but at least they already know that their opinions are HUMBLE. I won't have to take em down a notch" :laugh:
AMber

[MikeB]

Not That Funny

[The Tower]

"Not That Funny" , please go!

Very, very awful.....

[Cristian]

That's All For Everyone


Well... amongst all of the Lindsey songs off Tusk one I surely DON'T hate is "Save Me A Place"... That and "That's Enough For Me" are my two faves from him in this album... I would vote off "Not That Funny" and "Not That Funny Part 2" (a.k.a. "I Know I'm Not Wrong") first, that's for sure!

[77Rumours77]

I reviewed all of Tusk last night, and i realized my vote would have to be:
Walk a Thin Line
By the way, Rumours 77, Can Tusk have 2 survivors since it's a double album?I think that is an idea that should definitely be implemented....
AMber
Also what about the fact that it was 1 CD? I mean I dont know, How could I split it up into 2 after it has started? I think Its a good idea just dont know how to do it?

[dissention]

Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.

Darling, I get criticized and reprimanded for calling some of Stevie's songs "garbage," it's just par for the course these days. :laugh:

Save Me A Place is a fantastic song. He took very minimalistic elements and somehow managed to make an emotionally compelling song out of them. In this case, I think the song benefits from not having a whole mess of words to it, he says it all in the few he chose to use and the accompanying music. Regardless if other people like it or think it's "sludge," I do and it's one of my favorites for many reasons.

I'm not offended at someone expressing their views on it, even if they hate it, but I have to wonder why people who criticize me for such harsh language when referring to tunes use that same harsh language when referring to SMAP. The language doesn't bother me one bit because I'm just as harsh. But don't call me out next time or I'll have to throw the "hypocrisy" word around and eventually put a "Rescind the Strike!" in my signature. ;)

[77Rumours77]

3-Way tie.
OK, So how this one is going to work out is that we are goin with past majority. And it shows that Not That Funny has had the most votes. NTF please leave the tribal counsel area now, all other head back to camp.

Tonights Recap
Not That Funny - 6 Voted off by past votes
Thats All For Everyone - 6
Sara - 6
That's Enough For Me - 4
Save Me A Place - 4
The Ledge - 1
Bueatiful Child - 1
Never Make Me Cry - 1
Walk A Thin Line - 1
Never Forget - 1

Remaning Contestants
Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
Sara
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Thats All For Everyone
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget

Voted Off
Honey Hi - 8/15
Not That Funny - 8/16

[77Rumours77]

I vote for Thats All For Everyone


Immunity.....
Question....When did Stevie Nicks and Lindsey join Fleetwood Mac?
Please answer here....http://users.quickfox.org/~fleetwoodmac/gb.htm

Yes I know these are stupid. PLZ I WANT YOUR QUESTIONS If you have a good and HARD question plz send it to me here.. [email protected]

[GateandGarden]

Okay, I guess I'm going with "That's Enough for Me."

Or do we have to wait to see which song has immunity before we vote? I guess that makes sense... :rolleyes:

Hillary

[Johnny Stew]

Darling, I get criticized and reprimanded for calling some of Stevie's songs "garbage," it's just par for the course these days. :laugh:

I'm not offended at someone expressing their views on it, even if they hate it, but I have to wonder why people who criticize me for such harsh language when referring to tunes use that same harsh language when referring to SMAP. The language doesn't bother me one bit because I'm just as harsh. But don't call me out next time or I'll have to throw the "hypocrisy" word around and eventually put a "Rescind the Strike!" in my signature. ;)

It's exceedingly funny how things get twisted so.

I've never called anyone on the way they critique songs, but rather the way they talk to others. As I've said... until I'm blue in the face... it's one thing to say a song sucks, it's another thing to say that someone who likes it (or dislikes it) isn't smart enough to know better, or leave them to feel as if their intelligence is being called into question by harsh comments and implications.

I don't care what's said about the songs... they don't have feelings. I care about the people here, and their feelings. :nod:

[sodascouts]

Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.

To me, whenever anyone makes a VALUE judgment on something, they are stating an opinion. I dont need "IMO" to tell me that.

It does annoy me, however, when someone OVERLTLY PRETENDS that their judgment isn't an opinion, but fact. You know, the posts that have injected "No question about it" or "You can't deny this" or something to that effect. When such statements are not there, implicitly, we can take it to mean that the poster understands that what they are saying is an opinion that is not shared by everyone.

But then again, that's JMHO. ;)

(Sorry, couldn't resist, lol).

[sodascouts]

I've never called anyone on the way they critique songs, but rather the way they talk to others. As I've said... until I'm blue in the face... it's one thing to say a song sucks, it's another thing to say that someone who likes it (or dislikes it) isn't smart enough to know better, or leave them to feel as if their intelligence is being called into question by harsh comments and implications.

I don't care what's said about the songs... they don't have feelings. I care about the people here, and their feelings. :nod:

Exactly! The whole "My opinions on ____ are shared by all smart people" (implied: because I am just that infallibly brilliant) is so laughable. Last time I checked, having an exaggerated-to-the point-of-delusional sene of self-importance didn't require too many brain cells. Quite the opposite.

[jwd]

Once again, "Save Me A Place" gets my vote. I don't like it and I don't have to say why. :lol:

[sodascouts]

Oh, and my vote is once again for Never Forget. Come on people, look at these lyrics: "Come on, baby, now don't you be cold. Just remember that love is gold." Can we get more cliched? Barf.

Let me put in a plug for people to save "That's Enough for Me" - it's brilliant in its simplicity. Such a fun song! Give it another listen!

All this is JMHO, of course. hehe.

[golden braid]

That's All For Everyone

[ontheEdgeof17]

That's All For Everyone..... :rolleyes:


-curt

[DeadliestPoison]

Still hating Sara over here.

[sparky]

Never Make Me Cry is making me hurl.

[Vianna]

Still trying to get rid of The Ledge....Bye!

[Cristian]

That's All For Everyone

[TISL]

That's All For Everyone is not for me...

[GateandGarden]

Oh, and my vote is once again for Never Forget. Come on people, look at these lyrics: "Come on, baby, now don't you be cold. Just remember that love is gold." Can we get more cliched? Barf.
:laugh: Yep, those are some pretty awful lyrics there. But I love that song in the way that many people love "Save me a Place" for the music, production, harmonies, etc., not for the lyrics. Although I have to admit that every once in awhile, something totally cliche and shallow really affects me. "Come on baby, could you ever be just a little close to me," is exquisite to me for some reason, and even more so with Christine's vocals, of course. Just IMO, of course. :laugh:

Hillary

[GardenStateGirlie]

That's All For Everyone....how many times do I have to vote for you before you take a hike??

[Hawkeye]

I went back and noticed that you made a mistake in the votes for That's All For Everyone in Round 1. TAFE and NTF both had 5 votes in round 1. So technically they are both still tied and Not That Funny hasn't been voted out.

[GypsySorcerer]

That's All for Everyone........please go.

[77Rumours77]

I went back and noticed that you made a mistake in the votes for That's All For Everyone in Round 1. TAFE and NTF both had 5 votes in round 1. So technically they are both still tied and Not That Funny hasn't been voted out.

Yes it has, Round one NTF and TAFE both had 5 votes but Honey Hi had 8.



O ****! I wonder if we could start this game over...? What do you think Hawkeye, I didnt catch that they both had 5 when they both tied. Hummm?

[Hawkeye]

ok... forget the recount, I'll let the mistake slide since I read the other thread. I'll just vote again for the only bad song here that just won't go away called Save me a Place

[Hawkeye]

O ****! I wonder if we could start this game over...? What do you think Hawkeye, I didnt catch that they both had 5 when they both tied. Hummm? .

if you want to? You could start it without Honey Hio because it was clearly voted out first. But round 2 got confusing :laugh:

[ryan8472]

SAVE ME A PLACE

[77Rumours77]

.

if you want to? You could start it without Honey Hio because it was clearly voted out first. But round 2 got confusing :laugh:

Ok, what I will do is put NTF back into the Game after this round

[Hawkeye]

that works :wavey:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Sara. Please. If this wins I'm leaving. ;)

-Kate

[tynan88]

Save Me A Place...I have to save Sara.

Tynan

[shackin'up]

Never Make Me Cry. Just because it does not have the impact after 25 years as the rest does. Still a great gem, though......

[Bryan]

I'm just gonna go with Sara in this round mainly because it'll be too predictable a win for this game..so why not get rid of it now for the sake of originality.

[DeeGeMe]

Save Me A Place

[Patti]

Save Me A Place. Or don't.

[marc402]

voting of Beautiful Child again
once again i have nothing against the song (never skip anything on tusk)
but it does not strike an emotional cord (atleast as i said before not the album version anyway)

[dissention]

Sara

Just drown already.

[wondergirl9847]

She can't drown...she's too busy drownDing. :p

[dissention]

She can't drown...she's too busy drownDing. :p

:laugh:

Oh, Sara. Just drownD already.

[dissention]

It's exceedingly funny how things get twisted so.

I've never called anyone on the way they critique songs, but rather the way they talk to others. As I've said... until I'm blue in the face... it's one thing to say a song sucks, it's another thing to say that someone who likes it (or dislikes it) isn't smart enough to know better, or leave them to feel as if their intelligence is being called into question by harsh comments and implications.

I don't care what's said about the songs... they don't have feelings. I care about the people here, and their feelings. :nod:

Wasn't it you who pretty much told me that if I call a song "garbage" to watch out for the responses of others? I see no difference here.

[CarneVaca]

Not That Funny was voted off already!? I question the methodology, that's for starters. Seems to me a run-off vote was necessary, since it was a tie. I call this whole thing into question. Is there an arbitrator on these threads?

I cry

FOUL!!!!!!

Loud and clear.

Moving on. I Am always surprised at the negative passions that Save Me a Place stirs with some people. Tastes are hard to debate, yet the song has such so much appeal that certain reactions still manage to surprise me. It is one of the best songs Lindsey has ever done and may well be the best song in Tusk. Lindsey says with 30 words what a lot of songwriters, including his bandmates, couldn't say with 200.

Be that as it may, my vote goes to Brown Eyes. That's about the most boring song on the album, and unfortunately drags it down.

[CarneVaca]

Seriously people, who is running this kangaroo court. ROUND MUST 2 BE DONE OVER. We need a mulligan here. This cannot stand!!

And I would add: Save Me a Place is the perfect song!!

[cliffdweller]

I can't believe "Honey Hi" was voted off first!!! There is something gravely wrong with that, but I digress...

Next song to go,
"Over and Over": sorry, but it's a yawner.

[dissention]

I must speak up and say:

DO OVER ROUND 2!!!

This isn't Florida, we must be fair and accurate.

DO OVER ROUND 2!

And :xoxo: to Save Me A Place.

[CarneVaca]

"Over and Over": sorry, but it's a yawner.

As unfortunaly are several of Chris' songs on this album. Really, if you take the Lindsey songs, it is a fantastic solo record. If you take Lindsey's and Stevie's sans Beautiful Child, it's a beautiful band record. If you take those, Honey Hi and Think About Me, it's still a great band record.

No matter. It's by far FM's best record, on the strength of Lindsey's and Stevie's songs and Lindsey's ballsy production.

[CarneVaca]

I must speak up and say:

DO OVER ROUND 2!!!

This isn't Florida, we must be fair and accurate.

DO OVER ROUND 2!

And :xoxo: to Save Me A Place.

Exactly. I'm surprised no one else has spoken up about this. A great injustice is taking place here. What, do we have to bring in accountants to verify these results now?

Seems obvious to me: a tie requires a do-over.

Also, for the remainder of this thread, I will add as a temp sig line the following:

SAVE SAVE ME A PLACE!

[Lala]

That's Enough For Me

Save Sara!

[dissention]

Exactly. I'm surprised no one else has spoken up about this. A great injustice is taking place here. What, do we have to bring in accountants to verify these results now?

:nod: This will go down as one of the biggest injustices in Fleetwood Mac history.

DO OVER!

[77Rumours77]

Ok OK!!!!!
ROUND 2 DO-OVER
Please vote for one of thses, I will tally to votes tomorrow....

Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
Sara
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Thats All For Everyone
Not That Funny
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Honey Hi
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget

Sorry no votes from round 2 or 3 counted SORRY :sorry:
Please dont kill me :shocked: :o :D

[Mari]

missed the first voting rounds, but my vote of today goes to...

That's Enough For Me.
:shocked: Yeah I'm voting off a Lindsey song again...

[ontheEdgeof17]

No matter what round this is now, I'm still going with That's All For Everyone.

-Curt

[The Tower]

Again.....

See ya, "Not That Funny"

[ShamHy89]

Sara. Die. (Save Me A Place will eventually be voted out, and it would a travesty for it to go before Sara)

Shamus

[dissention]

Thanks, Jacob! :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Sara

Go drownD somewhere. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Agreed. DrownD dat Ho Sara. Or make her clean houses. Just get her outta here.

[Hawkeye]

Seriously people, who is running this kangaroo court. ROUND MUST 2 BE DONE OVER. We need a mulligan here. This cannot stand!!

And I would add: Save Me a Place is the perfect song!!

Carne and Dissention did you both not notice that "I" brought up that FOUL yesterday and after this round, Not That Funny will be put back in. Your Welcome :nod:

[Hawkeye]

ooops didn't finish page 5 :lol: so ignore the above post of mine. So again my vote is for Save Me a Place

[Serrart]

Same round same vote...

That's Enough For Me

Romy

[Patti]

Save Me A Place

[shackin'up]

As unfortunaly are several of Chris' songs on this album. Really, if you take the Lindsey songs, it is a fantastic solo record. If you take Lindsey's and Stevie's sans Beautiful Child, it's a beautiful band record. If you take those, Honey Hi and Think About Me, it's still a great band record.

No matter. It's by far FM's best record, on the strength of Lindsey's and Stevie's songs and Lindsey's ballsy production.

It's something I strongly disagree with, although you will see me voting off chris' songs first. I think the opener and closer of tusk are perfection. But what's in between written by the two others is not perfection at all. It's dynamic, weird, dark, bouncy, esoteric, warm and emotional. But if you take it song by song there's more tension in lindsey and stevie's songs. But what makes the album a masterpiece would not have been reached without that counterpart that Chris delivers. And by the way I love the almost lame erotic tension of Brown Eyes. It's teasing. Lazy, and horny in a very English way.

[CarneVaca]

Carne and Dissention did you both not notice that "I" brought up that FOUL yesterday and after this round, Not That Funny will be put back in. Your Welcome :nod:


Only saw it after I launched my do-over campaign. Your efforts are appreciated. ;)

[CarneVaca]

My vote stands:

BROWN EYES out.



SAVE SAVE ME A PLACE!

[amber]

Walk a Thin Line
Does everyone like this song? What do you like about it? Seriously, I reviewed Tusk, and i was like, BLEAH! It even pushed Over and Over to my second vote.... :D
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

Wasn't it you who pretty much told me that if I call a song "garbage" to watch out for the responses of others? I see no difference here.

Yep, I told you that harsh comments breed harsh responses, and that's true. As has been demonstrated countless times.
And I said this in response to your comments about the way people have talked to *you.*
I've talked to those people about the way they react to things that are said, and I've explained that harsh rebuttals only continue the pattern.
But I don't expect people to be able to turn the other cheek forever. People get sick of things, and get tired of waiting for them to be straightened out.
All I was trying to do is head things off at the pass.

So the point I was trying to get across in the other thread, and which you twisted in this thread, was not how anyone talks about the songs, but how they talk to each other.

At any rate, I'm done with this now. I've explained myself on this, ad nuseaum, and it's obvious by the response I've gotten, that not everyone cares how they make others feel.

[77Rumours77]

ok, Heres how Immunity will work...
The question will be asked at the beginning of each round, someone will contact me with the correct answer and the song that desrves immunity, So immunity will be givin to the song at the beginning of the next round, If any of this makes sence. :)

[Johnny Stew]

Doesn't matter what round it is, or how many recounts are done... my vote will remain the same until it's gone.
So farewell to that little song that I just can't stand....
"Save Me A Place."

[Hippocampus]

Qui, moi? Or le Stew? Me, I'm the funniest MF I know.......just ask me. :D


Oui toi! Just ribbing you for that awfully immodest statement ;)

Anyway, my vote is Not That Funny again. For the pleasure of killing it twice.

[GateandGarden]

My vote goes to "Walk a Thin Line."

Hillary

[amber]

My vote goes to "Walk a Thin Line."

Hillary
Finally! Thank you :xoxo:
AMber

[CarneVaca]

ok, Heres how Immunity will work...
The question will be asked at the beginning of each round, someone will contact me with the correct answer and the song that desrves immunity, So immunity will be givin to the song at the beginning of the next round, If any of this makes sence. :)

Frankly, no. Why not just do a straight vote?

[CarneVaca]

Doesn't matter what round it is, or how many recounts are done... my vote will remain the same until it's gone.
So farewell to that little song that I just can't stand....
"Save Me A Place."

Man, that's really sounding like a grudge now, Johnny. Come on. This in all honestly in your view is the worst song in the Tusk record?

[dougl]

Round 2.5

Not That Funny, Not That Funny!

[GateandGarden]

Finally! Thank you :xoxo:
AMberWe seem to be the only two people who dislike that one enough to vote it off now! I don't really get it. I'll take "That's Enough for Me," and certainly "That's All for Everyone" over "Walk a Thin Line." But that's just me. (Well, and you).

Hillary

[marc402]

Ok OK!!!!!
ROUND 2 DO-OVER
Please vote for one of thses, I will tally to votes tomorrow....

Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
Sara
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Thats All For Everyone
Not That Funny
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Honey Hi
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget

Sorry no votes from round 2 or 3 counted SORRY :sorry:
Please dont kill me :shocked: :o :D

huh why is honey hi back in? i thought that going was a sure thing ;)
well if it is back in i vote for honey hi
if not i vote beautiful child again :)

[amber]

We seem to be the only two people who dislike that one enough to vote it off now! I don't really get it. I'll take "That's Enough for Me," and certainly "That's All for Everyone" over "Walk a Thin Line." But that's just me. (Well, and you).

Hillary
Yeah, after i listened to it i thought maybe others forgot about it, it was so obviously a choice..
And i actually like That's Enough For Me quite well, cause of "YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH," etc :) That's all for Everyone is a bit better (to me) than WATL.
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

Man, that's really sounding like a grudge now, Johnny. Come on. This in all honestly in your view is the worst song in the Tusk record?

Yes, in all honesty, I do feel it's the worst song on the album. It's the one song, in the 17 years I've owned 'Tusk,' that has never grown on me. :shrug:

Lindsey has had other songs in a similar vein, which were far more effective... in my opinion. And even songs like "Not That Funny," "Walk A Thin Line" and "That's All For Everyone," that others seem to deeply dislike, are songs that I'm very fond of.

[Lala]

That's Enough For Me

[Bryan]

Voting Sara [again!]

[Claudia]

Not That Funny.....

[face of glass]

I could just say that I'm only being funny.
Of all of yours posts discussing "Save Me A Place" in this thread, this is the only one that I can see as attempting to be humorous: http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=193969&postcount=55.
While I personally love reading openly funny assasinations of music (see Abba's The Name Of The Game biography, where they practically destroy nearly every other '60s and '70s band/artist that isn't Abba), there's a certain limit to everything for me. Even when dissing music that I do not care much for.
So, you made a joke about your dislike of "Save Me A Place", cool.
Then you had to repeat the same thing in the subsequent posts in different ways, while actually adding nothing to the message you were going for.
Why did you really bother to answer to people when you were just redressing the same point all over again? One would think that the one attempt at humour was enough. Was it really so important to run the same point into the ground, so that everyone would understand that you dislike "Save Me A Place"? No one posted anything else than their opinion of the song, and you were the only one who bothered to repeat your message for everyone.
So at that point the IMOs and hints of humour you had originally inserted to a single post of yours were zeroed out in my mind. And your critique of "Save Me A Place" turned into an almost negative repetition to me. Seriously, if you feel it's a monotonous 'sludge', must your critique attempt for the same effect? ;)
It's different to call someone crap than it is to call something that someone created crap, I agree. Yet this is a fan board. We have witnessed cases where people get very upset because a particular favourite thing of theirs is critiqued harshly. I brought one up there. That's a thing that everyone should keep in mind. "Say something once, why say it again?" Repeat the same point when the argument comes up later, fine. But in the same thread, several times? Come on.
It would be weird if people always had to say IMO before everything they said, cause, unless you're quoting someone, who else's opinion would it be?
AMber, honey :xoxo: I never said that one should use the IMO stuff 'everywhere' (now there's a pun, will Johnny catch it or not? ;)). I just think it should be used when one is expressing a particularly, or even somewhat, extreme opinion. And it's not that IMOs will always help the message that much. Look at Johnny's list, it still doesn't look that much better, now does it? ;) It's all about the way you type the whole thing.
Here's again that thread I linked to: http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=12101&page=1&pp=15. John (Wetcamelfood) wrote the last post on that. He typed:
It really is down to the way you say it. Look at these 2 sentences and see if they come across different to you (and these are your opinions, not mine, just for the record for everyone else) I can't remember the exact words you used a long thread ago now so just paraphrasing here:

1. It is my opinon that Time sucks

2. Hey, it's my opinion. Time sucks.

The first part of sentence 2 may allude to it being your opinion but then the second part turns it upside down. Just something to consider is all. OK?
I have nothing more to add to that. Let's get humble then. ;)


It sure didn't sound like a vote of approval... especially when you were offering it as the reason to vote the song off.
I never said that "Everywhere" was the sole representative of the housewife side on TITN; I spoke of the housewives section of the album. Which isn't all Chris, btw.

I said that at a point when the three most esoteric pieces on the album had already been voted off, mind you. And I like everything on Tango In The Night, as you probably know.

Look at my past survivor thread posts: there's hardly anything positive that I say for any song when I'm voting.

For me that's the point of the survivor. Basically everything Fleetwood Mac has released, in every line-up, is flawed in a way. That's what makes it human, but not everyone will find those flaws appealing.

So when I choose a song to drop in these threads, a song that I respond to the least from the remaining ones, I will try to find some flaws from them. I do not feel the need to add a positive note to the one I try to vote off, like you do. Speaks of our opinions of the world, now doesn't it? ;)

But of course, that's what you weren't picking up on. You were picking up on my "housewives" comment. That I hinted at "Everywhere" being a piece that only the 'bored housewives, the ones who do not actively listen to music and therefore will respond to any piece of banality that comes their way', will like.
As I said, there's numerous songs in the catalogue of the Rumours line-up (and even the Welch-era ones, not to mention the Post-Rumours ones) that fit this "housewives" category. Because how do you go and prove that "Everywhere" is more banal than the others, or that it has less care put into it than the rest of the band's output?

So if you understood that I loathe housewives and their lifestyles, and that I think "Everywhere" is perfect for them, you didn't get me right.

No, I don't live like they do. Yes, they are a common target for every "thinkin' musical dude with brain". But I don't think they take on to everything that comes their way anyway, or that their experiences of music is any less deeper than those of people with different, more active relationships to music.
I might as well have criticized "WTTR...S", "WISYA" or "Seven Wonders" being the usual Chiffonhead songs. Or "Big Love", "Caroline" and "Family Man" being songs that only sexually perverted people will completely identify with.
Because, quite frankly, our experiences with music are very much dictated by the life we live and the way God or whatever has shaped us.

That's something that I will discuss in the next post. For now, let me just tell you that I've met a punk rocker in the BuckinghamNicks.net chatroom who thinks Christine is the best thing that's ever happened to Fleetwood Mac. "No one falls into a simple set of labels", neither does the music that's out there. :)

[face of glass]

Jacob: no vote in this one.
Not at all. I said that it doesn't matter to me if I'm the only one who likes a song... I didn't say that no one else is ABLE to like the song.
Big difference.
Then this. You finally picked up the bait I set up for you, so I might as well keep the ball a-movin'. ;)
You already know what post I'm going to be referring to. The one I never got around to answering. http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=191216&postcount=454

For me, relatability IS a different thing from being universal. Which is why thousands of people can find great appeal in a particular song, but it will still never be loved across the board.
Relatability is also a thing one can not measure at all, in any way. It's a thing that's based on our own beliefs, and our own emotional responses to a song.
Universality can be measured, not just through charts but also through the song being played on the radio, even decades after its original release. If people are willing to dig up something that wasn't much of a success in the past then that should prove something on the staying power of the material.
Not that measuring universality through those ways is always accurate, but it's the only thing we really have.
And, because of that, I DO tend to think that one can find things to relate to, even in Stevie's most esoteric writings... but that you have to care enough. If you just want to be entertained on a basic level, then you're probably not going to have much use for Stevie Nicks. Her songs require more of an emotional investment, in my opinion.
And another question is, how do you get to that point where you start caring enough?
I believe that only a few of us got into Fleetwood Mac because of an album track that was never played on the radio. We got into them because of the things we heard passively at various places and at one point got interested. That didn't make us fans. Rumours gathered dust in my shelf for a whole year before I eventually went out and bought another Fleetwood Mac album. Becoming a fan is usually a gradual process, it's not like being hit by lightning or anything like that.
So we started acquiring their music and at one point noticed that our interests towards the band were bordering to obsessive. We had become fans, those rotating windmills that you see on the roofs sometimes.
Again, most people never get to that point, or even near it. How come we did then? We obviously noticed that there was something we related to a lot. We kept on playing those records, to the point where we started to develop an appreciation for the band's lesser-known works too. But I believe we would never have got to that point if the band's universal material hadn't existed.
No casual listener will want to hear a song for the second or third time if there's nothing in it that he/she can relate to.
Basically, if you're saying with that "emotional involvement" argument of yours that one should listen to the song a lot in order to appreciate it, then I do not agree with it at all.
A piece that you have to work hard for, in order "to get it", is no good for me. It's different when you're trying to get accustomed to new genres though.
Did Fleetwood Mac go down in quality at one point then, or just in public favour? No one knows for sure. We know what the music history books will tell us, though.
Did the band members start writing more esoteric, less universal material? Possibly. You know my usual defense for Lindsey Buckingham; the topics he conveys are not all suited to the AOR format that he's been boxed into, the music that he makes speaks more for the '60s experimentalism of Brian Wilson and the DIY attitude of punk rock, things that are not associated with AOR at all. And the emotional content that's being dealt with in those genres is very different.
Most everyone can enjoy "Go Your Own Way," or "Big Love," or "Trouble," but it takes more of an investment to enjoy... to that same degree... something like "Play In The Rain" or "D.W. Suite."
And of course, the one thing that I will point out here is that "Play In The Rain" and "D.W. Suite" are quite unlike anything Lindsey's done. They're multi-movement suites that break down the usual song-form that he uses. No wonder if they might take more listens for some people so that they could start appreciating them.
Whereas for material like "When I See You Again" there isn't much defense at all.
It was released on a popular album when Fleetwood Mac were in public favour again, yet it never rose to the same status as "Landslide", another 'mere album track', even though it is very close to it musically.
The depression that it supposedly conveys isn't all that obvious, since only a few people around here have picked up on that.
For me the fact that even the diehard fans are totally split on it just underlines its esoteric quality.

But who cares for these arguments anyway, when all we have is Kierkegaardian belief on the quality of their music.
But anyway, I'm just trying to say that it's not that I think Lindsey & Stevie's songs can necessarily be easily covered by anyone...it's just that, I feel their music CAN be appreciated by anyone who cares enough to make the investment.
And it necessarily wasn't all about being able to cover a song in the first place. There is music that is universal and still can not be covered without losing a lot of the original impact.

I also wonder how appropriate examples in all this we fans are:
I related to the emotions Stevie conveyed in her songs, before I had any knowledge of her back-story. So it was never "I like it because Stevie wrote it," I liked it for what it was.
That was when you were 13-14 and your experiences in life had taken you to areas that some people will never go to. You found comfort in Stevie Nicks because her music spoke to you. And that was because of the way you were born, and because of your own experiences.
AMber (tell me if you don't like that typing, girl ;)) noticed that she found Stevie's voice extremely attractive, at various ages in her life.
Romy found Stevie last year and discovered an immediate passion for her.

Why did these things happen? How come they didn't happen to other people? Obviously there's something in us that made us far more receptive to the artists than the others usually are. This always speaks of our experiences in life, the things we've been through. We don't have to know that much about the artists themselves. They already convey their experiences through their music, that's when we pick up on it.

In the end all people are exposed in certain areas emotionally, and not everything will ever speak to those areas, even though I believe that one could relate to all music.
I'm an extreme person myself. I can go from the industrial, ugly noise of Coil to Frank Sinatra's bossanova recordings within the same hour, and get maximum enjoyment and emotional involvement out of both. But even then, my range of human emotions, which I do measure through music, is limited. I will never learn to enjoy, or even listen to, all music. Those limitations are there in all of us.

But yes. One can relate to everything in the end. I believe that even the stuff that you call teen-pop garbage can be related to. And that Britney Spears is as 'deep' as Stevie Nicks, because there is no way to measure 'depth'. I may identify with the latter a lot more than with the former, but that's just me-emotions-a-talkin'.
I'm glad to see writers like Nick Hornby bringing out arguments like "there's incredible depth in banality". That means the most common pop cliches you hear, the stuff that can turn you off, but when you actually manage to combine them for the perfect pop song, it's magic. Everyone can draw their lines of class and trash themselves, of course. If you laugh at that, how would that be any different from those who laughed at '60s Motown because it was the "more superficial, bubblegummy alternative to Stax"? And a lot of those songs that were made there are classics now. So how do we know what will survive from our times? We'll just have to wait and see.

And because one can relate to everything, then Stevie Nicks, or the members of Fleetwood Mac, past and present, aren't in any better position than anyone else whose current material is now being publicly ignored.

Good night, y'all. :nod:

[face of glass]

"Angel", again. No matter how long it might take.

[ryan8472]

Here's my re-do vote....SAVE ME A PLACE!

[77Rumours77]

Jacob: no vote in this one.

Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup: :wavey:

[DeadliestPoison]

I'm hella confused.

Just chalk me up for Sara until this ends. :P I'm just gonna keep on voting for it.

[amber]

"Angel", again. No matter how long it might take.
Quite an interesting treatese (sp?) previously. It was fun to read. I took a lot away from it.
NOW BACK THE F*** OFF OF ANGEL!!!!! :mad: :laugh:
Just kidding, all though i did recently fall in love with it - then i got my video with doc. footage of the making of Angel, and i'm really in love!
Cheers
Amber (omigod, i accidentally typed it right, for once! am i getting more coordinated?)

[shackin'up]

redo?

okay, Never make me cry.

[sodascouts]

I'm assuming the inclusion of "Honey Hi" was an oversight, since we are only doing Round Two over, and that was voted off on Round One. Correct? Provided that is indeed the case, I vote off "Never Forget" once again. However, if for some reason we are doing this all over again (which I think would be pointless, since only Round Two was corrupted), I would vote for "Honey Hi."

[DeeGeMe]

I'm completely confused as to which round we're in. I think it's Round 2.5 and in that case, I'm sticking with "Save Me A Place".

[77Rumours77]

I'm assuming the inclusion of "Honey Hi" was an oversight, since we are only doing Round Two over, and that was voted off on Round One. Correct? Provided that is indeed the case, I vote off "Never Forget" once again. However, if for some reason we are doing this all over again (which I think would be pointless, since only Round Two was corrupted), I would vote for "Honey Hi."

Honey Hi is gone from round one :D

[GypsySorcerer]

That's all for Everyone.

[Johnny Stew]

Gaius... as usual, both of your posts were very interesting. Also, as is usual, I agreed with some of what you said, and disagreed with some other things.

But I really don't have the time to respond to every comment you made. Besides, I'd just be repeating myself (for about the millionth time) at this point anyway.
It's getting so that I'm not sure what point either you or I are even trying to make anymore, other than the fact that we both happen to love flapping our gums about what makes this band tick. :laugh:

If my comments about "Save Me A Place" were too harsh, as well as being redundant... uhm... oh well. :cool: :laugh:
It would normally be my knee-jerk reaction to apologize for that, but I don't care to. I can be unapologetic in my opinions, too. :)

Either way, I don't care for the song... as I've made clear. No grudges, no spitefullness, no plot to save Stevie's songs (for the record, I'd rather see "Angel" go before "I Know I'm Not Wrong")... I just plain don't like it. :shrug:

So when I choose a song to drop in these threads, a song that I respond to the least from the remaining ones, I will try to find some flaws from them. I do not feel the need to add a positive note to the one I try to vote off, like you do. Speaks of our opinions of the world, now doesn't it? ;)

That it does. :) ;)

[Dulcimer]

Wow, I can't believe so many people don't like Save Me a Place. Or is it just one very vocal person?

Anyway, I vote off Sara.

[CarneVaca]

I vote to knock off Brown Eyes.

What round is this anyway? Perhaps we should abandon this thread and start from scratch in a different thread.

[Hawkeye]

This is still Round 2. the rounds last from 9 PM one night til 9 PM the next night. 24 hours. You know when it's a new round when Jacob tells us what was voted out. A ver simple skim of the thread could explain it to people. I don't see why everyone's so confused. It's really simple.

[CarneVaca]

This is still Round 2. the rounds last from 9 PM one night til 9 PM the next night. 24 hours. You know when it's a new round when Jacob tells us what was voted out. A ver simple skim of the thread could explain it to people. I don't see why everyone's so confused. It's really simple.

Well, one would think it would be easy enough to count all the votes and have a runoff when there was a tie, yet that didn't happen either. Then there was a list posted indicating Honey Hi was back in but turns out it isn't. Or is it?

And you don't see why people are confused? Let me bow to your superior powers of perception then.

[Hawkeye]

Let me bow to your superior powers of perception then.

well if you must :lol:

[77Rumours77]

No voting tonight, Check back tomorrow
Immunity goes to Sara.

[GypsySorcerer]

What round is this anyway? Perhaps we should abandon this thread and start from scratch in a different thread.

I was thinking we should start a new thread, too.

[jwd]

I'm voting off "Save Me A Place" AGAIN! I would totally rather like to listen to any of Lindsey's other songs from Tusk. I agree, "SMAP" really is "MUSICAL SLUDGE"! :lol:

EDIT


No voting tonight, Check back tomorrow


Oops. Ok, I'll repost this tomorrow night. :)

[xdreamsunwindx]

Sara. Buh bye.

-Kate

[77Rumours77]

I was thinking we should start a new thread, too.

YESS, You guys read my mind.....!

[77Rumours77]

THIS THREAD IS OFFICALLY CLOSED

Check the fourm for RE-DO Tusk Song Survivor.
Sorry for waisting your time. :sorry: :eek:

[jwd]

I think "Sara" should still have immunity! ;)

[HomerMcvie]

Check the fourm for RE-DO Tusk Song Survivor.Sorry for waisting your time.
Clearly, some of us have alot of time free. :laugh: