Lindsey's Stones addiction

[CarneVaca]

I've been thinking (insert punchline). Do you suppose Lindsey has bought any more Stones albums? After all, he kind of got stuck on 1965's December's Children for a while, and recorded three songs from that album -- Gotta Get Away, The Singer Not the Song, Blue Turns to Gray.

To be fair, he seems to also have been listening to Aftermath (1966), where he got I Am Waiting, which by the way, is a rather uninteresting song in my humble opinion. Then he seems to have gotten into Between the Buttons (1967) and picked up She Smiled Sweetly, a wonderful tune.

Now, do you think with the next batch of songs we'll get "Lindsey Raids the Stones Catalogue, 1968-1971?"

If so, here's what I hope he steals:

No Expectations (Beggars Banquet, 1968)
She's a Rainbow (Through the Past, Darkly, 1968, originally released in Their Satanic Majesties' Request, 1967)
Monkey Man (Let It Bleed, 1969)
Let It Bleed (ibid)
Dead Flowers (Sticky Fingers, 1971)

What say ye?

[shackin'up]

Monkey Man. Wow, good choice.
I'd like him to take a shot at You Can't Always Get What You Want.

Dead Flowers could be something, but I'd have to say he needs duetting with Stevie on that one.

[chiliD]

"Wild Horses"...as a duet with Stevie.

"Wi-i-i-i-ld Hor-r-rses...couldn't drag me ay-wayyyyy"

[dissention]

Monkey Man, without a doubt. He could do a killer version that song.

I've always wanted him to do Neil Young's "I've Been Waiting For You," but I doubt that'll ever happen.

[amber]

"Wild Horses"...as a duet with Stevie.

"Wi-i-i-i-ld Hor-r-rses...couldn't drag me ay-wayyyyy"
That would be super pretty, judging from BC, and well, everything.
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[CarneVaca]

"Wild Horses"...as a duet with Stevie.

"Wi-i-i-i-ld Hor-r-rses...couldn't drag me ay-wayyyyy"

Nice idea, Chili, but I don't see Lindsey picking that one. He tends to go for the more obscure numbers.

[Gwillaker]

Lindsey only gets his rocks off when he's sleeping.

[Cristian]

Nice idea, Chili, but I don't see Lindsey picking that one. He tends to go for the more obscure numbers.

Allow me to remember the "Here Comes The Sun" debacle right now. :wavey:

Oh, you were talking about Rolling Stones tunes, right, sorry. :sorry:

[shackin'up]

Allow me to remember the "Here Comes The Sun" debacle right now.


It was fabulous. We all have a right to our opinions. I really think it was the opposite of a debacle.

[CarneVaca]

Allow me to remember the "Here Comes The Sun" debacle right now. :wavey:

No one will ever persuade me that performance was anything short of brilliant. If you'd never heard the song before, you might think so also.

George would be happy that Lindsey took a fresh approach to it. I know, he talks to me in dreams. ;)

[CarneVaca]

Anyway, I agree with CarneVaca, I think Lindsey would sound great covering Dead Flowers. My favourite Stones song of all time is Stray Cat Blues, but I'm not sure Lindsey has enough sleaze to pull that one off!

How about Love In Vain? I can hear Lindsey trying that one out. Or Torn And Frayed? Or Under My Thumb! hehe

I might have agreed with the sleaze thing before Come. Now, I'd say Lindsey could probably pull it off. I know a lot of people like that song, but it grates on me a little, and not just for the lyrics. Musically it kind of pounds you over the head and it is somewhat repetitive. Lyrically, well, it's typical Mick. Perhaps one of these days one of his daughter's boyfriends will sing it to him.

Lindsey already stole from Torn and Frayed, no? Steal your heart away. Steal your heart away. I bet he'd been listening to Exile too. Anyway, he must have been listening to Exile when he wrote the music to Gift of Screws, that song is a strangely appealing beast -- Emily Dickinson meets the Stones.

[stefan]

It was fabulous. We all have a right to our opinions. I really think it was the opposite of a debacle.
I do believe we are talking about different performances and audio clips. There is one mp3 floating around in an extreme crappy bootleg quality. You hear audience noise and everything. Lindseys singing sounds totally off there and the whole thing seems to be awful bordering on being ridiculous. Was it on some charity concert back then? I don't recall exactly. Then there is another clip floating around. I saw it maybe 2 weeks ago on Nancy`s site. It is a TV appearance from 31.12.01 and the audio and video quality is quite good. That performance is very fine and I am sure everyone criticizing his version of HCTS has heard the same crappy sound quality clip I first heard. Please go check the TV show clip, although it is a pretty large file- it`s worth it and I am sure you change your mind after that.

[CarneVaca]

Stefan, as far as I know, what you are talking about is two files of the same performance. Unless I missed it somehow, Lindsey performed that song in public only once.

I have a very decent-sounding file of the ABC appearance. It was a New Year's Eve show, and he almost was barred from performing when the producers discovered how different Lindsey's arrangement of the song was. This is what caused the guitar-tossing incident in a New York hotel room. When you look at the video, you can see a hole on the bottom side of the guitar.

You make an interesting point: Perhaps some people hate it so much because of the poor quality of the file they have. I know that won't be the case for someone like ChiliD, though, who starts to have convulsions every time this topic comes up. ;) It might explain the reaction of some others, though.

[dissention]

How about Love In Vain?

How about The Clash's "Train In Vain"? He's a big fan and I think he could come out with a killer cover of it. :nod:

[wondergirl9847]

Here Comes the Sun was BRILLIANT!! The emotion he had in his strained voice was anger and sadness. Looking at his face at the end of the song, there's no question his feelings about the ABC cats. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

"Wild Horses"...as a duet with Stevie.

"Wi-i-i-i-ld Hor-r-rses...couldn't drag me ay-wayyyyy"

That would kick ass. I'd like to hear him do Street Fighting Man.

[gldstwmn]

Here Comes the Sun was BRILLIANT!! The emotion he had in his strained voice was anger and sadness. Looking at his face at the end of the song, there's no question his feelings about the ABC cats. :laugh:

Hadn't George just passed when he did this song? I thought it had more to do with that. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

I've been thinking (insert punchline). Do you suppose Lindsey has bought any more Stones albums?

I'd bet he has quite the album collection and that he still listens to albums.

[sodascouts]

To be fair, he seems to also have been listening to Aftermath (1966), where he got I Am Waiting, which by the way, is a rather uninteresting song in my humble opinion.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! it sounds like a campfire song. "OK, everyone, I'll sing the first part and then you repeat it. 'I am waiting, I am waiting, oh yeah, oh yeah [now you] I am waiting, I am waiting, oh yeah, oh yeah... kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya, oh yeah, oh yeah...'" ;)

I too will not beat the HCTS horse anymore, but I will say that he has only performed it publicly once and yes, that is the performance that makes me cringe. I still don't understand why the suits would have cancelled him, though. He'd already been booked and advertised. Did they think his version would so anger viewers that they'd turn it off immediately? Puh-lease. And wouldn't they be legally obligated to keep him on? Very strange, that. It would make more sense that think they'd ask him to change it after insulting it, threatening not to let him appear on any OTHER shows if he didn't comply, and then he'd be the one to refuse to do it entirely. Who knows what went down, though.

Oh, and as for the original question, how about "Paint It Black"? I remember in a Q&A of someone they talked about the "Paint It Black" version of Rhiannon.

[Cristian]

No one will ever persuade me that performance was anything short of brilliant. If you'd never heard the song before, you might think so also.

Sorry for bringing this to the discussion (again), but it was sort of an argument against the fact that Lindsey tends to go with "more obscure" numbers. I don't think "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" is an obscure choice either... Perhaps in his Stones addiction he could perform some well known tracks, too... and make them have 'the Lindsey touch'... far away from his version of "Here Comes The Sun", one can only hope (oh no, not this again).

Oh, I'm not a huge fan of "I Am Waiting" either.

[CarneVaca]

Sorry for bringing this to the discussion (again), but it was sort of an argument against the fact that Lindsey tends to go with "more obscure" numbers. I don't think "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" is an obscure choice either... .

Cristian, Here Comes the Sun really is the exception to the rule, don't you think? Love Minus Zero is not exactly one of Dylan's best known numbers, like, say, Blowing in the Wind or Like a Rolling Stone. Big Yellow Taxi would be the only other one Lindsey has covered that is fairly popular. Other than that, all the Stones covers, Satisfied Mind, September Song, All My Sorrows, etc., were fairly obscure songs.

[CarneVaca]

A band by the name of Ollabelle just covered the song I Am Waiting. It's a decent version.

I really hope Lindsey shelves this one.

[Les]

To be fair, he seems to also have been listening to Aftermath (1966), where he got I Am Waiting, which by the way, is a rather uninteresting song in my humble opinion.

I haven't heard the Stones' version of I Am Waiting recently enough to remember what it sounds like. But in regards to the general idea of your statement above, I thought the Stones' version of Gotta Get Away was nothing special at all, but I loved what Lindsey did to his version of it. For that reason, even if I didn't like the Stones' I Am Waiting, I'd still be really interested in hearing the Lindsey's full finished take on it.

I agree about Lindsey often opting for more obscure covers. One or two exceptions, sure, but mostly it's the less well-known material. Also, interestingly, from what he's said, he seems to mostly select cover material first and foremost because it has a lyric that he likes, as opposed to just picking a song he thought he could easily adapt for his style (which might seem like a more natural reason for him, being a guitarist). It seems he mostly selected Love Minus Zero for the lyrics, and all of the Law & Order covers seem to have been selected more for their lyrics.

[EveryHour]

Lindsey only gets his rocks off when he's sleeping.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That is such a great song! One of my Stones faves!

[EveryHour]

She's a Rainbow (Through the Past, Darkly, 1968, originally released in Their Satanic Majesties' Request, 1967)


I see why you picked this one, due to the melody. But I don't think I want to hear LB sing, "She comes in colors everywhere / She combs her hair/ She's like a rainbow"! :laugh: Only the Stones in 1967 could get away with that! :)

Everything ya'll have mentioned as duets for LB and SN are awesome! :] Dead Flowers! Wild Horses! :] How about Memory Motel?! :laugh: (Stevie doing Mick's part and Lindsey doing Keith's, of course.)

[chiliD]

As much as I love the song Wild Horses, I don't really want Lindsey to cover that, especially since the Gram Parsons version is so good. For me, it's one of the few covers that surpasses the original. But given that when Jagger and Richards wrote that song they were trying to write like Parsons, it's understandable.

Technically, Gram's version IS the "original", since 1) he's credited as a co-writer, and 2) he (with the Flying Burrito Bros) recorded the song almost a year before the Stones did.


How about Love In Vain?

Lindsey? Record a Robert Johnson BLUES tune? Lord help me! :eek:

...September Song...were fairly obscure songs.

"September Song" is FAR from "obscure"...maybe to the Rock & Roll Generation, but to our parents' generation, it's a "Standard".

[CarneVaca]

"September Song" is FAR from "obscure"...maybe to the Rock & Roll Generation, but to our parents' generation, it's a "Standard".

Fair enough. Then it's obscure to the audience he was targeting in 1981.

[dissention]

As much as I love the song Wild Horses, I don't really want Lindsey to cover that, especially since the Gram Parsons version is so good. For me, it's one of the few covers that surpasses the original. But given that when Jagger and Richards wrote that song they were trying to write like Parsons, it's understandable.

Have you heard Debbie Harry's take on "Wild Horses"? It's interesting, but it's pretty damn good. She did it with, of all people, the Jazz Passengers. :shocked:

[chiliD]

In fact in you can enlighten me to somewhere where it refers to Gram as a co-writer I'd be very intrigued.

But yes you are indeed right in that the Gilded Palace Of Sin came out before Sticky Fingers. Technically I would still call it a cover, since it's someone's else's song. And I still stand by my statement that Gram's is the best version.

I seem to recall my 45 of Leon Russell's version it is credited (quite possibly incorrectly) as Jagger/Richards/Parsons. And, that's what I was going by. I have Gilded Palace Of Sin on LP (as well as Sticky Fingers on CD), so I'll double-check those credits. As far as that goes, I prefer Leon Russell's version to the other two. :shrug: (I think Leon based his arrangement on Gram's, BTW) All one's own taste.

{re: "Love In Vain"} What's so funny about that? Who'd have thought Lindsey would be covering Rolling Stones' songs 10 years ago? I certainly didn't see that one coming.

Nothing...except Lindsey's publicly stated personal annoyance/dislike of the blues.

Fair enough, but like Carne says, I'd never heard it before I bought Law & Order so to younger people it is indeed obscure.

I dunno :cool: ...it would be the same as somebody covering Beethoven's 5th Symphony, Gershwin's "Rhapsody In Blue" or Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode"...just because a younger person hadn't heard of 'em before doesn't make 'em "obscure". It just makes it a song they hadn't been exposed to before.

[Les]

Nothing...except Lindsey's publicly stated personal annoyance/dislike of the blues.

Personal annoyance and dislike? I thought it was more along the lines of it simply not being his thing - it wasn't his personal favorite thing to play.

Guitar World (9/97): Was that whole blues guitar idiom that Fleetwood Mac came out of an important part of your development as a guitarist?

BUCKINGHAM: Not at all, really. Which was one of the reasons why, at first, I wasn't sure if I was going to fit in. I was more interested in songs. A 12-bar gets boring for me after the first couple of choruses. I can appreciate that there's a lot going on within that structure, but that wasn't my thing. I grew up listening to Elvis and the way Scotty Moore played, who used a pick but also used his fingers. Then I got into a lot of folk things after that and picked up the bluegrass banjo. So there's a finger style that runs through all of what I've done. I've always appreciated people who were able to incorporate the guitar into good record making; Like Chet Atkins' playing on the Everly Brothers' records. You don't really notice what he's doing, but if his guitar wasn't there, it wouldn't be a record. It's just an understated thing that comes in and goes out: a lyrical, rhythmic way of filling a hole and then receding into the background. That's something that I have always aspired to. And the blues, to me, was not that kind of craft, not that kind of mentality.

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He has named Peter as an influence. He's just said that he prefers the more "ethereal blues players" (of which he thinks Peter is one).

[chiliD]

Personal annoyance and dislike?

BUCKINGHAM: A 12-bar gets boring for me after the first couple of choruses.

Well, yeah. I dunno, from personal experience over the years with players who find the blues "boring", when pressed, they finally admit they really don't like the blues...which is why I translate a comment such as "a 12-bar gets boring" as "dislike". :shrug:

I think Lindsey was just trying to be "politically correct"...I think if pressed and "off the record", much like the guys I've crossed paths with, he'd probably fess up to having a dislike of the blues idiom.

[dissention]

Really? I'd love to hear that. I adore Debbie Harry. In my opinion she's one of the best female vocalists ever.
How cool, I didn't know that at all, I'm gonna have to seek that one out.

She did a lot of funky stuff when she went solo in the late 80s and when she teamed up with the Jazz Passengers in the 90s. They did some great stuff. And she is an amazing vocalist. :nod:

I just got a book called "Blondie: From Punk To Present" and it's FANTASTIC. It's literally the size of a phone book and around 600 pages. Interviews, articles, rare photos, etc. If you're a Blondie/Debbie fan, I HIGHLY recommend it.

[amber]

She did a lot of funky stuff when she went solo in the late 80s and when she teamed up with the Jazz Passengers in the 90s. They did some great stuff. And she is an amazing vocalist. :nod:

I just got a book called "Blondie: From Punk To Present" and it's FANTASTIC. It's literally the size of a phone book and around 600 pages. Interviews, articles, rare photos, etc. If you're a Blondie/Debbie fan, I HIGHLY recommend it.

How much is it? Unless that's too personal...
Amber