The Draft is next

[strandinthewind]

Army to recall former military members
Tuesday, June 29, 2004 Posted: 12:43 PM EDT (1643 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Army is preparing to notify about 5,600 retired and discharged soldiers who are not members of the National Guard or Reserve that they will be involuntarily recalled to active duty for possible service in Iraq or Afghanistan, Army officials said Tuesday.

It marks the first time the Army has called on the Individual Ready Reserve, as this category of reservists is known, in substantial numbers since the 1991 Gulf War.

The move reflects the continued shortage of troops available to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to fight the ongoing war on terrorism as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Lt. Gen. Frank Hagenbeck, the Army's deputy chief of staff for personnel, said earlier this month of the Army's troop strength, "We are stretched but we have what we need."

Pentagon officials have echoed that statement explaining that while the military is reaching deep into its resources, war planners have long had contingency plans such as this for when troops are really needed.

Several hundred members of the ready reserve have volunteered for active-duty service since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Those who are part of the involuntary call up are likely to be assigned to National Guard or Reserve units that have been mobilized for duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, according to Army officials. An announcement is planned for Wednesday.

Members of Congress were being notified of the decision Tuesday, the officials said.

Unlike members of the National Guard and Reserve, the individual reservists do not perform regularly scheduled training.

Any former enlisted soldier who did not serve at least eight years on active duty is in the Individual Ready Reserve pool, as are all officers who have not resigned their commission.

The Army has been reviewing its list of 118,000 eligible individual reservists for several weeks in search of qualified people in certain high-priority skill areas like civil affairs.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/29/iraq.reserves.ap/index.html

[dissention]

Wonderful. I'm a few years shy of being 26, too.

[CarneVaca]

Frankly, I can't wait for the draft.

I wonder if 'mercuns will still view war as a TV show or video game when the draft is reinstated.

Who said something about riots yesterday?

A little social upheaval will do us all a world of good.

[dissention]

Frankly, I can't wait for the draft.

Forgive me if I don't share your enthusiasm.

[Patti]

Wow.

Patti

[darklinensuit]

I don't see the public supporting a real draft this time around.

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

I don't see the public supporting a real draft this time around.

- Jake

Like that will matter for the lame duck Pres. :shrug:

[darklinensuit]

Like that will matter for the lame duck Pres. :shrug:

I don't see much of his "base" supporting him when their kids are on the front lines. (Or maybe they'll be the ones on Coast Guard duty. :rolleyes: )

- Jake

[dissention]

I don't see the public supporting a real draft this time around.

- Jake

They don't support being in Iraq, yet we're there.

[amber]

I don't see the public supporting a real draft this time around.

- Jake
You think? And yeah, so far Bush hasn't really cared what anyone wanted, including in his election. Gawd, a draft would be terrible! I mean, I already don't have a boyfriend, and that just narrows the pool... :p
Amber

[strandinthewind]

They don't support being in Iraq, yet we're there.

Well, they did and overwhelmingly so in the beginning - I am just sayin . . . . .:cool:

[darklinensuit]

They don't support being in Iraq, yet we're there.

I don't think the opposition is overwhelming. It would be if there were a draft.

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

I don't see much of his "base" supporting him when their kids are on the front lines. (Or maybe they'll be the ones on Coast Guard duty. :rolleyes: )

- Jake

I am assuming no draft will take place until his "lame duck" second term, if he has one - hopefully he will not.

[darklinensuit]

You think? And yeah, so far Bush hasn't really cared what anyone wanted, including in his election. Gawd, a draft would be terrible! I mean, I already don't have a boyfriend, and that just narrows the pool... :p
Amber

I think he does care what some folks wanted, just not what most folks wanted.
And yet his dad used to drive me crazy with all of his poll watching. :(

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I am assuming no draft will take place until his "lame duck" second term, if he has one - hopefully he will not.

Well, second term seems to be when scandals hit the presidents hard, if you look at Clinton & Reagan, so who knows ;) .
And Congress would still need to worry about the 2006 elections.

- Jake

[dissention]

Well, they did and overwhelmingly so in the beginning - I am just sayin . . . . .:cool:

That was then, this is now. :wavey:

[DeadliestPoison]

Is this only affecting soldiers, or is it going to be affecting everyone (ie anyone can be eligible for the draft)?

What's the age minimum for drafting? I'm only 16, but I've been absolutely petrified of the thought of being drafted and having to fight in a war ever since I first heard about it.

Meh.

[dissention]

I don't think the opposition is overwhelming. It would be if there were a draft.

- Jake

More than half isn't overwhelming? :confused:

[strandinthewind]

That was then, this is now. :wavey:

Yep - how the "mighty" fall AND to quote another proverb "pride goeth before the fall" :eek:

[darklinensuit]

More than half isn't overwhelming? :confused:

Definitely not. Look around. Many people are upset, but for the most part you don't see the despair and rage that typically produces change.

- Jake

[dissention]

Definitely not. Look around. Many people are upset, but for the most part you don't see the despair and rage that typically produces change.

- Jake

That's because we're living in a totally different culture than we were in the sixties and seventies, the last time people were in such despair and so enraged was during Vietnam. We need to head this thing off before it becomes another Vietnam. For the times that we're living in now, more than half is better than we could even dream of.

[gldstwmn]

You think? And yeah, so far Bush hasn't really cared what anyone wanted, including in his election. Gawd, a draft would be terrible! I mean, I already don't have a boyfriend, and that just narrows the pool... :p
Amber

Oh no darling. You won't be lonely. You'll go too. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Definitely not. Look around. Many people are upset, but for the most part you don't see the despair and rage that typically produces change.

- Jake

That's because you live in Houston.

[gldstwmn]

Is this only affecting soldiers, or is it going to be affecting everyone (ie anyone can be eligible for the draft)?

What's the age minimum for drafting? I'm only 16, but I've been absolutely petrified of the thought of being drafted and having to fight in a war ever since I first heard about it.

Meh.

They are calling back soldiers who are retired and have less than 8 years active duty-with no training. Meaning, if the weaponry has changed since the time of their service, they'll learn to use it on the job.

[The Tower]

Oh no darling. You won't be lonely. You'll go too. :nod:

SLAMOLA!!!!

It ain't just dudes anymore. But us fags don't have anything to worry about. Although, I'm 35 so I really don't have anything to worry about.

Dubya is already dust, but if anything even close to a draft happens, he'll be space dust.

[GypsySorcerer]

I don't think the opposition is overwhelming. It would be if there were a draft.
- Jake

I agree. I also guarantee that if American soldiers weren't dying, seemingly on a daily basis, there wouldn't even be the opposition there is now.

[markolas]

I'm anxious to see how they will deal with us gay folk if they reinstate the draft. I'll be 25 in just a few days, so hopefully they'll wait another year or two to start this thing. But if they don't, I have no intention of doing the "don't ask, don't tell" thing, so maybe that'll exempt me. Or get me sent to an internment camp. :-P

[sparky]

Wonderful. I'm a few years shy of being 26, too.

A big, wet kiss on the draft officer, regardless of your actual interest, would take care of that. :xoxo:

[77Rumours77]

Dubya is already dust, but if anything even close to a draft happens, he'll be space dust.

Well somebody needs to start the draft then! He can't be space dust soon enough!

[CarneVaca]

I daresay the excrement will unquestionably impact the ventilation device if the draft is reinstated.

This may just be the kick in the posterior the public needs.

[strandinthewind]

A big, wet kiss on the draft officer, regardless of your actual interest, would take care of that. :xoxo:

LMAO - that is one way of telling :laugh:

[CarneVaca]

LMAO - that is one way of telling :laugh:

This may just work for you, Jason.

[strandinthewind]

This may just work for you, Jason.

I am 37 1/2 with a bad back, bad knee, and bad eyes. I do not think they will take me on those grounds alone :laugh:

[dissention]

They are calling back soldiers who are retired and have less than 8 years active duty-with no training. Meaning, if the weaponry has changed since the time of their service, they'll learn to use it on the job.

Kinda like Dumbya. :shrug:

[dissention]

It ain't just dudes anymore. But us fags don't have anything to worry about. Although, I'm 35 so I really don't have anything to worry about.


That's it, I'll tell them I'm gayer than Paul Lindt. :lol:

[dissention]

A big, wet kiss on the draft officer, regardless of your actual interest, would take care of that. :xoxo:

:lol: I'll tell him to be gentle with me.

Seriously, that's one way not to be drafted.

[GretaRhiannon]

May I ask, what's wrong with the Coast Guard???? :rolleyes: :mad:

[darklinensuit]

That's because we're living in a totally different culture than we were in the sixties and seventies, the last time people were in such despair and so enraged was during Vietnam. We need to head this thing off before it becomes another Vietnam. For the times that we're living in now, more than half is better than we could even dream of.

Maybe, but that still doesn't make the numbers "overwhelming," IMO.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

May I ask, what's wrong with the Coast Guard???? :rolleyes: :mad:

Nothing at all. But I use it as an example, since we have a famous poltician who was put there instead of a more typically dangerous place supposedly due to his father's connections.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I am 37 1/2 with a bad back, bad knee, and bad eyes. I do not think they will take me on those grounds alone :laugh:

34 with bad back, bad knees, bad attitude here. :wavey:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

:lol: I'll tell him to be gentle with me.

Seriously, that's one way not to be drafted.

Yeah, you try it, Klinger. ;) :lol:

Jake

[darklinensuit]

That's because you live in Houston.

Ummm...Houston isn't exactly Bush country.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I agree. I also guarantee that if American soldiers weren't dying, seemingly on a daily basis, there wouldn't even be the opposition there is now.

I agree with you.
For most people (unfortunately) it's all just a chess board with special effects on the news until our guys start dying. :distress:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I daresay the excrement will unquestionably impact the ventilation device if the draft is reinstated.

This may just be the kick in the posterior the public needs.

That's exactly my point.

- Jake

[estranged4life]

I wanna go to the Chicago Cubs :lol: :laugh: :lol:

Btw, This draft reminds me of a popular country song from years back:

"Yipee-ki-aaaa, Cowpatty" (aka "Sounds like Bullsh-t to me")

[darklinensuit]

I wanna go to the Chicago Cubs :lol: :laugh: :lol:

Well, it would get you out of Oklahoma. Batter up! ;) :thumbsup:

- Jake

[estranged4life]

Well, it would get you out of Oklahoma. Batter up! ;) :thumbsup:

- Jake

and kicking Texas ass too (Die Astros, Die)

Brian "What happened to the those mighty Longhorns in the College World Series? Does Cal. St. Fullerton Titans rule or what?" j.

[darklinensuit]

and kicking Texas too (Die Astros, Die)

Brian "What happened to the those mighty Longhorns in the College World Series? Does Cal. St. Fullerton Titans rule or what?" j.

Funny, I don't see Oklahoma accomplishing much in that context, so in that sense, yes, California does rule. :wavey:

- Jake

[gldstwmn]

Nothing at all. But I use it as an example, since we have a famous poltician who was put there instead of a more typically dangerous place supposedly due to his father's connections.

- Jake

Bush was in the TANG and no, I'm not talkin' about the drink the astronauts drink. :) Texas Air National Guard. Or are you talking about someone else with a father with the right connections?

[gldstwmn]

Ummm...Houston isn't exactly Bush country.

- Jake
Enron? Ken Lay? Hey, if you say so. :shrug:

[darklinensuit]

Enron? Ken Lay? Hey, if you say so. :shrug:

Yeah, and they're doing so well now. :rolleyes:
The mayor's a Democrat, there's a huge and active Muslim population, and Republicans don't even put candidates in some local races.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Bush was in the TANG and no, I'm not talkin' about the drink the astronauts drink. :) Texas Air National Guard. Or are you talking about someone else with a father with the right connections?

:) Actually, I WAS mistaken, but that's not what I meant. I was referring to Dan Quayle of the NATIONAL Guard.
Remember this gem of his?
"I do -- I do -- I do -- I do -- what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, ``I'd like to get into the National Guard.''

- Jake

[gldstwmn]

:) Actually, I WAS mistaken, but that's not what I meant. I was referring to Dan Quayle of the NATIONAL Guard.
Remember this gem of his?

- Jake

Oh yes! Wasn't his father Mr. Potatoe Head? :laugh: :wavey:

[darklinensuit]

Oh yes! Wasn't his father Mr. Potatoe Head? :laugh: :wavey:

From Hawaii, that place that has always been a pivotal role and an island in the Pacific that is right here. :laugh:
I miss the guy.
Remember when being a dumb politician was more amusing than dangerous? ;)

- Jake

[estranged4life]

Oh yes! Wasn't his father Mr. Potatoe Head? :laugh: :wavey:

now ya bring a poor defenseless "Dirt spud" into the mix and dare compare him to a putz.

Man, Those "Tater" headed folk just aint getting no respect at all...Tsk, tsk, tsk

Brian "Mr.Potato-Head in 2004...And I dont mean the one from Te-jas either" j.

[darklinensuit]

You guys have probably seen this already, but a friend just sent me this one that was new to me:
"If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything!"
- Bush, Bellevue Community College, Nov. 2, 2000
:lol:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

now ya bring a poor defenseless "Dirt spud" into the mix and dare compare him to a putz.

Man, Those "Tater" headed folk just aint getting no respect at all...Tsk, tsk, tsk

Brian "Mr.Potato-Head in 2004...And I dont mean the one from Te-jas either" j.

I thought he's a Broccoli-head. ;)

- Jake

[sparky]

:lol: I'll tell him to be gentle with me.

Tell him you like it really rough and that might really scare him off. :shocked:

[darklinensuit]

Tell him you like it really rough and that might really scare him off. :shocked:

Or not. :shocked: :shocked:

- Jake

[estranged4life]

I have a "somewhat chronic" lung ailment (Common bronchitis!!!) which eventually kept me from making a mistake (At the age of 18 in 1988) and joining the military...

At my orientation the US Army Doctor in charge of medical records for new recruits browsed through my official medical records and permanently barred me from service due to my "illness" (Looking back, I am glad they had access to my files...I wanted to join mainly for money towards college, But my brother Geary told me about how the Army approaches the GI Bill, And it is nowhere near as simple as what is advertised on the TV ads)

[estranged4life]

I thought he's a Broccoli-head. ;)

- Jake

"Pretzel-man" :lol:

Brian "Hey Bush, I have some Broccoli flavored pretzels...Want one?"

[darklinensuit]

I have a "somewhat chronic" lung ailment (Common bronchitis!!!) which eventually kept me from making a mistake (At the age of 18 in 1988) and joining the military...

At my orientation the US Army Doctor in charge of medical records for new recruits browsed through my official medical records and permanently barred me from service due to my "illness" (Looking back, I am glad they had access to my files...I wanted to join mainly for money towards college, But my brother Geary told me about how the Army approaches the GI Bill, And it is nowhere near as simple as what is advertised on the TV ads)

Please explain. How often had you had bronchitis?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

"Pretzel-man" :lol:

Brian "Hey Bush, I have some Broccoli flavored pretzels...Want one?"

But now he's trying to paint himself as a Jellybean-head in honor of Reagan. ;)

- Jake

[estranged4life]

Please explain. How often had you had bronchitis?

- Jake

with bronchitis at least 4-5 times a year. With my current throat ailments it has become a royal pain in the ass.

Every year when the weather goes from a cooler dryer air (Fall) to the humid (Summer) I fall ill, Deb even knows when this occurs and can tell ya how bad it can be. I have been to way too many Dr. offices due to my "chronic bronchitis".

Going from warm outside air to cool air conditioned inside has the same effect and triggers my bronchitis so I have to be very careful in the summer months, Or I can end up in the hospital (I have a tad bit of bronchitis right now. The clinic where Deb had her Pet Scan today thermostat was set to a ice cold 60 degrees...I was sitting in their waiting area freezing to death, So much my teeth were chattering.)

[sparky]

Or not. :shocked: :shocked:

- Jake

I could launch into some military stories here, especially regarding the marine corps, but I doubt they would be appropriate. :eek:

[darklinensuit]

With my current throat ailments it has become a royal pain in the ass.

Your throat leads to your ass? ;) :shrug:

One of my heroes, Alice Marble, was a tennis player who came back from tuberculosis to win Wimbledon & tried to enlist for WWII service. She was turned away from every military branch, but later in the war they approached her to be a spy. That could be you. :nod: Got a tennis racket?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I could launch into some military stories here, especially regarding the marine corps, but I doubt they would be appropriate. :eek:

Not unless they involve the president. In which case I don't want to know the details anyway. :shrug:

- Jake

[sparky]

Not unless they involve the president. In which case I don't want to know the details anyway. :shrug:

- Jake

Jake ! Gimme a little bit of credit here. I've never been that desperate, or intoxicated. Sheebus. :p

[darklinensuit]

Jake ! Gimme a little bit of credit here. I've never been that desperate, or intoxicated. Sheebus. :p

Hey, I hadn't assumed the stories involved you. :eek:
To be honest (and I hope this doesn't offend you), I had thought you were a woman until these recent posts, so all this is new enough for me. :wavey:

- Jake

[sparky]

Hey, I hadn't assumed the stories involved you. :eek:
To be honest (and I hope this doesn't offend you), I had thought you were a woman until these recent posts, so all this is new enough for me. :wavey:

- Jake

Oh man, that is funny. Dissention would be proud of the gender confusion I have created. I am such a guy, it isn't even funny. Actually, that makes it hysterical. :blob1:

[darklinensuit]

Oh man, that is funny. Dissention would be proud of the gender confusion I have created. I am such a guy, it isn't even funny. Actually, that makes it hysterical. :blob1:

I'm sure I knew you were a guy before but forgot. The ratio here favors the women, so understand the assumption. :)

- Jake

[sparky]

I'm sure I knew you were a guy before but forgot. The ratio here favors the women, so understand the assumption. :)

- Jake

Dude, I am hardly offended. I got a big kick out of it. Puts a whole different slant on a lot of what I post ! :)

[darklinensuit]

Dude, I am hardly offended. I got a big kick out of it. Puts a whole different slant on a lot of what I post ! :)

Give me time. I'll offend you. ;) :wavey:

- Jake

[CarneVaca]

May I ask, what's wrong with the Coast Guard???? :rolleyes: :mad:

I have often wondered if I should have joined the Coast Guard myself. I love the ocean and all its creatures, especially cods and mermaids, so that would have been a good option for me. Alas, I went to the mountains instead for college.

[dissention]

Nothing at all. But I use it as an example, since we have a famous poltician who was put there instead of a more typically dangerous place supposedly due to his father's connections.

- Jake

:sorry: It was the Air National Guard. ;)

[dissention]

Bush was in the TANG and no, I'm not talkin' about the drink the astronauts drink. :) Texas Air National Guard. Or are you talking about someone else with a father with the right connections?

Ever had the "ice cream" that the astronauts eat? That stuff'll kill you.

[dissention]

Oh man, that is funny. Dissention would be proud of the gender confusion I have created. I am such a guy, it isn't even funny. Actually, that makes it hysterical. :blob1:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I always got such a kick out of everyone referring to me as "she" that I let it stick. ;) Nothing like assumptions. :laugh:

[CarneVaca]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I always got such a kick out of everyone referring to me as "she" that I let it stick. ;) Nothing like assumptions. :laugh:

Yeah, I was one of them.

All those fantasies... shattered. :distress: :lol:

[dissention]

Yeah, I was one of them.

All those fantasies... shattered. :distress: :lol:

:laugh:

Oh well, you've still got your health.

[darklinensuit]

I have often wondered if I should have joined the Coast Guard myself. I love the ocean and all its creatures, especially cods and mermaids, so that would have been a good option for me. Alas, I went to the mountains instead for college.

Not I. I have that shark fear. :eek:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

:laugh:

Oh well, you've still got your health.

Apparently not if you were his fantasy. (j/k);) :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

- Jake

[cliffdweller]

That's because you live in Houston.

:laugh:

Jake,
come on over to Austin, I'll show you enraged.

[darklinensuit]

:laugh:

Jake,
come on over to Austin, I'll show you enraged.

I was there less than two weeks ago.
And if I had a nickel for every woman in Austin who has shown me enraged... :lol:

- Jake

[diamondsnake]

SLAMOLA!!!!
But us fags don't have anything to worry about.

You really think they would exempt people just for being gay? Unless they just sent everyone who was gay into specific living quarters (which would most likely end up being a big orgy)

[diamondsnake]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I always got such a kick out of everyone referring to me as "she" that I let it stick. ;) Nothing like assumptions. :laugh:


It's because of your female icon that confused me. It is stupid since my icon is the opposite sex too.

[diamondsnake]

Ever had the "ice cream" that the astronauts eat? That stuff'll kill you.
YUMMMY!!!!

[sparky]

You really think they would exempt people just for being gay? Unless they just sent everyone who was gay into specific living quarters (which would most likely end up being a big orgy)

Christopher, please tell me you're kidding. Wake up and smell the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy ! :wavey:

I can suggest some enlightening reading for you - Conduct Unbecoming by Randy Shilts. That'll show you what the military does to gays in the military.
Pretty horrifying stuff.

I am not going near the orgy statement, considering the colorful stories told by many of my buddies who are active/former military. :shocked:

[dissention]

You really think they would exempt people just for being gay? Unless they just sent everyone who was gay into specific living quarters (which would most likely end up being a big orgy)

Don't Ask Don't Tell.

All a gay man would have to do is walk into a recruiters office wearing a Judy Garland t-shirt. :wavey:

[dissention]

I am not going near the orgy statement, considering the colorful stories told by many of my buddies who are active/former military. :shocked:

Ugh, that gives me the willies just thinking about it. :laugh: I wonder if they tried out the human pyramid before administering it at Abu Ghairib.

[The Tower]

You really think they would exempt people just for being gay? Unless they just sent everyone who was gay into specific living quarters (which would most likely end up being a big orgy)

I have a friend who was in the army stationed in South Korea. His commanding officer was gay, and most of the company was gay. It was an "understood" thing and no one was outed to military authorities. However, if military authorities had actually known, their asses would have been booted out immediately.

Yeah, if you claim to be gay- you can't get in the military.

[dissention]

Just because this thread is about the military, i thought this was apropos:

http://img24.photobucket.com/albums/v71/trumad/ke.gif

Eat that, neocons. :wavey:

[darklinensuit]

Just because this thread is about the military, i thought this was apropos:

http://img24.photobucket.com/albums/v71/trumad/ke.gif

Eat that, neocons. :wavey:

Wait, isn't the REAL date for this 1975? ;) :lol:

- Jake

[cliffdweller]

I was there less than two weeks ago.
And if I had a nickel for every woman in Austin who has shown me enraged... :lol:

- Jake

So just what have you been up to in Austin? Do tell...

[darklinensuit]

So just what have you been up to in Austin? Do tell...

Two of my closest friends got married at the Four Seasons. The ceremony was outdoors. In June. In Austin. :shocked: But I'm still friends with them.

There's a remote chance I'll be there on the Fourth, but at this point I doubt it.

And that's all you get. ;)

- Jake

[diamondsnake]

Yeah, if you claim to be gay- you can't get in the military.

Isn't that illegal? It seems almost like racism, only dealing with a different issue. However, it is kind of a lucky break because who wants to be drafted anyways?

And I was joking about the orgy thing but I seriously had no idea that the military was so strict about homosexuals.

And Dissention, when you are drafted you have to go in and get approved? I just assumed they sent you some paperwork and you had to report for duty? When would a person spill the beans that they are gayer then the day is long or as you said where a Judy Garland shirt! :laugh:

[dissention]

And Dissention, when you are drafted you have to go in and get approved? I just assumed they sent you some paperwork and you had to report for duty? When would a person spill the beans that they are gayer then the day is long or as you said where a Judy Garland shirt! :laugh:

You usually have to contact your local recruitment office once your number's picked. Instead of calling, paint your toenails red, get some Prada sandals, and visit the office in person immediately. Sing "The Trolley Song" for added effect. :wavey:

[sparky]

You usually have to contact your local recruitment office once your number's picked. Instead of calling, paint your toenails red, get some Prada sandals, and visit the office in person immediately. Sing "The Trolley Song" for added effect. :wavey:

Prada sandals are a pretty big investment. Some red jellies from the upcoming Hillary Duff line at Target could do the trick for the more budget minded. :thumbsup:

BTW, what's the Trolley Song ?

[dissention]

Prada sandals are a pretty big investment. Some red jellies from the upcoming Hillary Duff line at Target could do the trick for the more budget minded. :thumbsup:

BTW, what's the Trolley Song ?

From "Meet Me In St. Louis"!

"I went to spend a jolly
Hour on the trolley
And lost my heart instead...

Clang-clang-clang went the trolley
Ding-ding-ding went the bell
Ping-ping-ping went my heartstrings..."

As for the Hilary Duff line, :lol: :lol: :lol: ! Throw in a few random "like, wow!" and you'll be castrated right then and there.

[sparky]

From "Meet Me In St. Louis"!

"I went to spend a jolly
Hour on the trolley
And lost my heart instead...

Clang-clang-clang went the trolley
Ding-ding-ding went the bell
Ping-ping-ping went my heartstrings..."

As for the Hilary Duff line, :lol: :lol: :lol: ! Throw in a few random "like, wow!" and you'll be castrated right then and there.


"smack-smack-smack went the general
slam-slam-slam went the door
rip rip rip went my draftcard..." :blob1:

[The Tower]

Isn't that illegal? It seems almost like racism, only dealing with a different issue. However, it is kind of a lucky break because who wants to be drafted anyways?

And I was joking about the orgy thing but I seriously had no idea that the military was so strict about homosexuals.

It's not illegal, although it should be. The U.S. military is way, way homophobic. They consider homosexuals a "security risk" because people could blackmail a homosexual by revealing their orientation to world. It's a pathetic 40's/50's view of the world. Also, the military authorities claim that homosexuals would hurt troop morale because, of course, all of the fags in the military would be sexually objectifying all those delicious, hard to resist, military heterosexuals.... :rolleyes:

Gawd, the military is SO f**ked up!! I'm really glad that they don't want me.

WHOO-HOO!!! :blob2:

[strandinthewind]

"smack-smack-smack went the general
slam-slam-slam went the door
rip rip rip went my draftcard..." :blob1:

LMAO - then, when you get home:

ring ring ring goes the cell phone
Hello Hello Hello says the recruiter
Flutter Flutter Flutter goes Sparky's heart

:laugh: :laugh:

[sara1998]

So, seriously, what are the guidelines of being drafted?

Can an only child, widowed, single parent, 26 year old female be drafted? :D

Maria

[strandinthewind]

So, seriously, what are the guidelines of being drafted?

Can an only child, widowed, single parent, 26 year old female be drafted? :D

Maria

I am almost positive she could not be. But, if W and Rummy have their way, who knows :eek:

[darklinensuit]

I am almost positive she could not be. But, if W and Rummy have their way, who knows :eek:

And don't worry, Maria. Just tell them that Sarah is your live-in "special friend." ;)

- Jake

[sara1998]

And don't worry, Maria. Just tell them that Sarah is your live-in "special friend." ;)

- Jake

LMAO... :laugh:

[BrokenWing]

It's not illegal, although it should be. The U.S. military is way, way homophobic. They consider homosexuals a "security risk" because people could blackmail a homosexual by revealing their orientation to world. It's a pathetic 40's/50's view of the world. Also, the military authorities claim that homosexuals would hurt troop morale because, of course, all of the fags in the military would be sexually objectifying all those delicious, hard to resist, military heterosexuals.... :rolleyes:

You would think we'd have made more progress in this day and age. The sad truth is, this is an area where our culture has actually regressed in the last 3,000 years.

By that I mean, if you asked any military historian to name the birthplace of military science as we know it, he or she will most likely tell you it was ancient Sparta. Many concepts still used today, such as boot camp, were first conceived by the Spartans, and their military might was legendary in the ancient world. Such macho he-men would never have allowed no nancy-boy queers in their army, right? Quite the opposite, in fact. Homosexuality among the Spartan was not only permitted, it was actually encouraged, almost mandatory in fact. Their rationale was that men who were lovers, who shared such an intimate a bond, would fight all the more fiercely for each other. And women in the city were also encouraged to take a female lover, at least until they were ready to marry and have children.

As for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," aside from the obvious fact that it's discrimination, the major problem with it is, how do you decide what constitutes being gay in the first place? Sexual orientation is far more fluid than most people believe. Are bisexuals disqualified as well? What about someone who experimented with the same sex once or twice years ago? Are people with a bisexual past ok, but people who are actively involved with the same sex disqualified? And if so, how long ago does the last same-sex encounter need to have been? Does one have to swear an oath that he or she will never engage in gay sex again?

And what about a situation like the cast of Pvt. Barry Winchell, who was murdered in his bed by a homophobic fellow soldier? The men in his barracks believed he was gay because he was dating a pre-op transsexual. But as far as Pvt. Winchell was concerned, the beautiful dancer who had captured his heart was a woman; she just happened to have male genitalia.

Of course, no matter how the military attempts to justify its position, I believe the real reason for its institutional homophobia has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with insecure straight men. Heaven forbid, if they let gay men in, then the straight soldiers might actually have to deal with someone bigger and stronger looking at them in a sexual manner. You know, the same thing women deal with every day. Could even be that the men who are most afraid some gay dude in the barracks will be unable to control his sexual urges are the same men responsible for such shining examples of soldierly behavior as the Tailhook convention in the early 90s and the more recent scandal at the Air Force Academy.

Eileen

[Jessica Leigh]

Don't Ask Don't Tell.

All a gay man would have to do is walk into a recruiters office wearing a Judy Garland t-shirt. :wavey:


sooo, uh.... does the same thing go with girls if we were to get drafted and showed up in an Indigo Girls shirt? i don't have any.... but i can sure make an effort to find one on ebay.... not that they'd take me anyway.... bad knee, bad back, chronic bronchitis too (hey brian!) and well, i'd cry.... a lot!!! ooh and i have cataracts too! gosh i'm not even 24 yet and i have the medical history of a 75 yr old. and that damn bugle waking you up in the morning? i'd sleep through it... every morning... the only way to wake me up with a bugle is to hit me over the head with it.... they probably wouldn't like me.

[estranged4life]

not that they'd take me anyway.... bad knee, bad back, chronic bronchitis too (hey brian!) and well, i'd cry.... a lot!!! ooh and i have cataracts too! gosh i'm not even 24 yet and i have the medical history of a 75 yr old. and that damn bugle waking you up in the morning? i'd sleep through it... every morning... the only way to wake me up with a bugle is to hit me over the head with it.... they probably wouldn't like me.

ya sound like me with the medical problems :lol:

In all honesty, "If" I were able to be drafted ("Medical disqualified" squashed that chance when I voluntarily tried to enlist years ago, And even if that never happened being a 34 yr.old has put me out of the military age requirement for a draft) I would not dodge it and serve in the USMC.