New Tour Date - Chumash Casino Grand Opening 7/18 [Archive]

EnchantedSLN

06-26-2004, 02:22 AM

Just recieved this info from a friend... has anyone heard anything about this? Fleetwood Mac playing a casino opening sounds ridiculous, but I checked out the links and it appears to be legit?!

http://www.chumashcasino.com/ (casino homepage)

http://www.chumashcasino.com/fleetwood.htm (Fleetwood Mac event page)

http://premier.ticketsplus.net/TicketsPlus/r.asp?nt=FLEET04&sc=FLEET04 (Star Tickets purchase page).

Front row tickets are $500. WTF?

tynan88

06-26-2004, 06:49 AM

I would think that's a real shame, I mean no one has ever suggested the Mac don't like making money, but Damn, opening a Casino????

Tynan

golden braid

06-26-2004, 09:24 AM

How low can FM go? :( Santa Ynez is not even a major city so I really don't know how many people would be willing to pay so much money for tickets especially when FM have just played Southern California. :confused:

John Run

06-26-2004, 09:44 AM

estranged4life

06-26-2004, 10:38 AM

I am sure Fleetwood Mac is getting a huge upfront GT to play this gig.

With that said, I think there is a little bit of missing the reality of the situation going on here.

How many times has Fleetwood Mac played the MGM is Las Vegas? It is a casino.

Casinos in Connecticut and Mississippi have had such major acts as Buffett, Aerosmith, Carole King, Shania, The Eagles all play them. The fact is in the US concert market Casino venues are becoming a player.

This seems a little different because it is part of an opening, making it a little more of a corporate gig, but on the other hand so was the MTV thing in New York this spring. Samething with some of Stevie;s corporate gigs for Microsoft and others...It is part of the business.

about FM having played at Casino's before & this show being a corporate performance type of thing, But knowing how most Indian owned casino's (Especially those here in Oklahoma) do not generate large amounts of money I would find it shocking if the Chumash Tribe offered a large GT to FM...Maybe they made a deal where FM could take a large percentage of the gate for the show? (Most shows here at casino's have a ticket price under $30)

Usually the type of musical artists who play the Indian casino's around this area are either those who are up and coming (ie-Trace Adkins, Kelley Coffee) or those whose careers are a shadow of their former selves (ie-David Lee Roth) because they are more economical to book for performances/appearances than those considered as "major acts".

Brian j.

77Rumours77

06-26-2004, 10:40 AM

From what it lookes like there are gonna be 2 shows!

EnchantedSLN

06-26-2004, 11:20 AM

Santa Ynez is not even a major city so I really don't know how many people would be willing to pay so much money for tickets

That's what I thought too. But from what I understand the venue only holds 1,300 people.

With that said, I think there is a little bit of missing the reality of the situation going on here.

How many times has Fleetwood Mac played the MGM is Las Vegas? It is a casino.

True. But the MGM Grand is a big-name fancy joint in Las Vegas with a massive arena that is the size of a typical concert venue. I had never even heard of Santa Ynez (and I live in southern California), nor any hype about the opening of this place. I'm picturing a small obscure casino, which is why I found it hard to believe at first.

MacMan

06-26-2004, 11:31 AM

Isn't that where Michael Jackson lives, or the area?? Name sounds like I've heard it before.

David

06-26-2004, 11:34 AM

Front row tickets are $500. WTF?Seems excessive, doesn't it?

Maybe that's the casino's way of keeping out the fanbase riffraff. The casino probably wants to reward its high rollers with front-row seats to a major concert, so maybe it's hoping that the extra-high ticket prices keep fans of the band away. A casino can easily fill a 1,200-seat theater with casino visitors on a weekend.

strandinthewind

06-26-2004, 11:35 AM

Seems excessive, doesn't it?

Maybe that's the casino's way of keeping out the fanbase riffraff. The casino probably wants to reward its high rollers with front-row seats to a major concert, so maybe it's hoping that the extra-high ticket prices keep fans of the band away. A casino can easily fill a 1,200-seat theater with casino visitors on a weekend.

Casinos usually comp most of the great tickets for their high rollers.

OR has to pay off a debt :laugh: :shrug:

dontlookdown

06-26-2004, 12:05 PM

ewww! A Casino opening?

Is Fleetwood Mac going the way of George W. Bush?!

They should know better than that - supporting a casino -

yucky.

strandinthewind

06-26-2004, 12:19 PM

ewww! A Casino opening?

Is Fleetwood Mac going the way of George W. Bush?!

They should know better than that - supporting a casino -

yucky.

and when they have played Vegas and Atlantic City for the last 25 years what do you think they are doing? MGM, Trump, the Alladin, or wherever does not give that money to charity - it goes to the casino :laugh:

BTW - what does George W. Bush have to do with casinos? Certainly people from all political backgrounds gamble :shrug:

WelshWitchPMD

06-26-2004, 12:22 PM

OK I just bought myself a 95.00 ticket for the Saturday night show. They must be comp tickets because all of the first 4 price levels were sold out. I got the first row Y of the level 5 tickets.

Hey at least I am going. I don't know if I can go to the Sunday show yet because I don't know if I can get Monday off to fly home. I am also flat broke and need to start saving again. :rolleyes:

Hey I won't be bored just broke!

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 12:55 PM

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 12:58 PM

and when they have played Vegas and Atlantic City for the last 25 years what do you think they are doing? MGM, Trump, the Alladin, or wherever does not give that money to charity - it goes to the casino :laugh:

BTW - what does George W. Bush have to do with casinos? Certainly people from all political backgrounds gamble :shrug:

Bill Bennett does for sure. :laugh:

strandinthewind

06-26-2004, 02:27 PM

Bill Bennett does for sure. :laugh:

LOL - yep - no issue about it there!!!!! :laugh:

John Run

06-26-2004, 02:31 PM

about FM having played at Casino's before & this show being a corporate performance type of thing, But knowing how most Indian owned casino's (Especially those here in Oklahoma) do not generate large amounts of money I would find it shocking if the Chumash Tribe offered a large GT to FM...Maybe they made a deal where FM could take a large percentage of the gate for the show? (Most shows here at casino's have a ticket price under $30)
Brian j.

UHHHH, That makes no sense.....Why would Fleetwood Mac play two shows for less than 3000 people combined for a large piece of the gate???

They got a big up front. It amounts to a corporate gig.

I think it is kind of cheesy too, believe me. But Rock 'n' Roll and big money go hand and hand. It is part of the deal these days and really for the past 20 years.

GardenStateGirlie

06-26-2004, 03:07 PM

This? Is SUPER strange. Fleetwood Mac...wtf?

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 03:16 PM

UHHHH, That makes no sense.....Why would Fleetwood Mac play two shows for less than 3000 people combined for a large piece of the gate???

They got a big up front. It amounts to a corporate gig.

I think it is kind of cheesy too, believe me. But Rock 'n' Roll and big money go hand and hand. It is part of the deal these days and really for the past 20 years.

I guess it's a good thing What's The World Coming To has been dropped from the set list as it's meaning would be totally lost on this audience. :laugh:

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 03:17 PM

This? Is SUPER strange. Fleetwood Mac...wtf?

IMO they are definitely damaging their superstar cred with this crap. :o

GardenStateGirlie

06-26-2004, 03:21 PM

IMO they are definitely damaging their superstar cred with this crap. :o

I just think it's LAME. So they're going to go all the way out to Iowa with the crew and then go alll the way back to CA and then they're going to what, head to NJ to do the Camden show? :shrug:

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 03:36 PM

I hope somewhere in their hearts they don't feel that this tour is really "it" for them. :distress:

Johnny Stew

06-26-2004, 03:39 PM

Maybe The Mac is friends with one of the Chumash Casino's investors, so they're doing this as a favor? :shrug:

GardenStateGirlie

06-26-2004, 03:45 PM

Maybe The Mac is friends with one of the Chumash Casino's investors, so they're doing this as a favor? :shrug:

Let's hope so. Seriously. This rates pretty high up in lamest thing Fleetwood Mac could ever do.

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 03:49 PM

Maybe The Mac is friends with one of the Chumash Casino's investors, so they're doing this as a favor? :shrug:

Did he make them an offer they couldn't refuse? :laugh:

estranged4life

06-26-2004, 03:50 PM

UHHHH, That makes no sense.....Why would Fleetwood Mac play two shows for less than 3000 people combined for a large piece of the gate???

They got a big up front. It amounts to a corporate gig.

because it seems puzzling otherwise unless they did receive a large GT (Unless like Johnny Stew said "They're doing this as a favor to an investor)...But knowing how Indian casinos here do their business a large GT would seem rather odd.

And I agree it is a corporate gig...Next thing ya they'll probably end up adding several shows at Casino's in Vegas & Mississippi. Guess M$ck needs more money for golf :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

GardenStateGirlie

06-26-2004, 03:56 PM

color=green]M$ck[/color][/B] needs more money for golf :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Guess the wine isn't selling that well ;)

estranged4life

06-26-2004, 04:01 PM

Guess the wine isn't selling that well ;)

his twin infants needed Diamond encrusted Pampers & Solid Gold teething rings :laugh:

skcin

06-26-2004, 04:16 PM

Oh God. :rolleyes: Is it official now? Have they sold out?

I just checked & it is on Fleetwoodmac.com. They're doing a fanclub presale for it too :rolleyes:

Says they've "secured 50 tickets per show" for the presale - out of 1200 :confused:

Paula

estranged4life

06-26-2004, 04:19 PM

I just checked & it is on Fleetwoodmac.com. They're doing a fanclub presale for it too :rolleyes:

Says they've "secured 50 tickets per show" for the presale - out of 1200 :confused:

Paula

kinda wondered when fm.com would be jumpin' in :rolleyes:

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 04:46 PM

77Rumours77

06-26-2004, 05:15 PM

I guess Fm is jumping on the Classic Rock bandwagon. Aerosmith, REO, Boston, Lynard Skynard are all doing casino shows. Whats next..
Vh1 Presents...............
FLeetwood Mac Live at Barns & Nobels Book Store in Gainsville, FL
Fleetwood Mac Live at McDonleds in South Wicihita, KS
Fleetwood Mac Live at the Amiristar Casino, Kansas City, MO
Tickets are limited avalible. Limit of 2 tickets Top Price $10,000.
;) :rolleyes: ;) :D :rolleyes: :laugh:

gldstwmn

06-26-2004, 07:28 PM

tynan88

06-27-2004, 01:09 AM

I guess it's a bit dissapointing but personally I would put it in the same category as the corporate gig they did before they started the second leg (can't remember what it was called), who knows, maybe they will just keep adding dates because they are having too much fun and don't want it all to end :rolleyes:

Tynan

skcin

06-27-2004, 08:02 PM

By "sold out", I didn't mean ticket-wise. :eek:

Yeah, I got it, not to worry :D

Paula

gldstwmn

06-27-2004, 09:41 PM

Yeah, I got it, not to worry :D

Paula

Okay. :lol: ;)

enibs78

06-27-2004, 11:07 PM

Somewhat interesting story on Chumash Casino.

http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories2003/business/20031019022151.shtml

estranged4life

06-27-2004, 11:41 PM

Somewhat interesting story on Chumash Casino.

http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories2003/business/20031019022151.shtml

the link to that article on the background of the Chumash casino. It sounds as if the Indian casinos located in Ca-Li-For-Ni-A have encountered (And are causing) similar problems as those here in Oklahoma have.

ryan8472

06-28-2004, 07:46 AM

Hey, maybe I can hope for a Mohegan Sun date in August, now? :lol: Not that I'd go, but still, another CT date would make me feel like us CT Ledgies were being spoiled :laugh: .

WelshWitchPMD

06-28-2004, 05:06 PM

Hey, maybe I can hope for a Mohegan Sun date in August, now? :lol: Not that I'd go, but still, another CT date would make me feel like us CT Ledgies were being spoiled :laugh: .

:( Well they can't stop touring until they play here in RI. I mean I have gone all over to see them the least that they could do for me is come here! :laugh: Even Heart is coming to Providence but it's on September 12 the same day that the Mac rescheduled Camden.

amber

06-28-2004, 05:20 PM

the link to that article on the background of the Chumash casino. It sounds as if the Indian casinos located in Ca-Li-For-Ni-A have encountered (And are causing) similar problems as those here in Oklahoma have.
Yeah, except ours are making BANK! :]
just messin with you. I'm native american and i would rather not have had the decimated poverty stricken populations turn to Casinos, and it's actually a very political subject within tribes, but....
And so I think the big deal everyone is making about FM opening a Casino, especially one that's right by FM's hometown...Well, I just don't think it's that bad. I'm sure their getting just as much money as they always do, and maybe they think they're supporting something good (although i really wouldn't know, just postulating)
Amber

estranged4life

06-28-2004, 05:28 PM

Yeah, except ours are making BANK! :]
just messin with you. I'm native american and i would rather not have had the decimated poverty stricken populations turn to Casinos, and it's actually a very political subject within tribes, but....
Amber

I am a Cherokee (Along with Irish/German) and have seen many smaller tribes around here turn to Casinos, To only have so much BS appear afterwards from those in surrounding areas and those within their own tribes...But the smartly ran Indian Casinos ones are the ones laughing on their way to the bank (ie-The Chickasaw tribes' Winstar Casino, Located right across the Red River on the intelligent, Uh Oklahoma side of I-35)

amber

06-28-2004, 05:33 PM

I am a Cherokee (Along with Irish/German) and have seen many smaller tribes around here turn to Casinos, To only have so much BS appear afterwards from those in surrounding areas and those within their own tribes...But the smartly ran Indian Casinos ones are the ones laughing on their way to the bank (ie-The Chickasaw tribes' Winstar Casino, Located right across the Red River on the intelligent, Uh Oklahoma side of I-35)

Yeah...but i just always wish that they could be who they always were. now they're just resource consuming capitalists like the rest of the country. But i'm a tree hugger for sure, and was raised with Native religion, and my mom majored in environmental science, so it's hard for me not to feel sorrow, even though i don't wish poverty and pain on anyone, of course..
Amber

estranged4life

06-28-2004, 05:37 PM

Yeah...but i just always wish that they could be who they always were. now they're just resource consuming capitalists like the rest of the country.
Amber

that is all it comes down to now, Capitalism.

I'm glad the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma does not have to be reduced to starting up a Casino (Though there is the ever popular Bingo parlors) to finance the Nation as other tribes have done.

amber

06-28-2004, 05:40 PM

that is all it comes down to now, Capitalism.

I'm glad the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma does not have to be reduced to starting up a Casino (Though there is the ever popular Bingo parlors) to finance the Nation as other tribes have done.
They don't? How do they survive?
Amber

estranged4life

06-28-2004, 05:49 PM

They don't? How do they survive?
Amber

having many financial ventures in and around the capital of Tahlequah (Pronounced Tah-le-quah) such as the tribal ran hospital, Private school, Factories and through settlements with the US government for the unlawful removal of the tribe (Along with the Seminole, Choctaw, Chickasaw & Creek tribes) from the land which were originally Cherokee owned lands (Mainly North & South Carolina) to Oklahoma during "the Trail Of Tears".

The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is the second largest tribe in the US (Over 100,000 members only ranking behind the Navajo tribe) and has been self sufficient for years without reliance upon gambling thanks in part to great leaders such as Chief Wilma Mankiller.

amber

06-28-2004, 05:59 PM

having many financial ventures in and around the capital of Tahlequah (Pronounced Tah-le-quah) such as the tribal ran hospital, Private school, Factories and through settlements with the US government for the unlawful removal of the tribe (Along with the Seminole, Choctaw, Chickasaw & Creek tribes) from the land which were originally Cherokee owned lands (Mainly North & South Carolina) to Oklahoma during "the Trail Of Tears".

The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is the second largest tribe in the US (Over 100,000 members only ranking behind the Navajo tribe) and has been self sufficient for years without reliance upon gambling thanks in part to great leaders such as Chief Wilma Mankiller.
I'm so glad!! but i couldn't help notice "Tahlequah pronounced Tah-le-quah" :lol: it's the same thing!
Amber

madformac

06-28-2004, 06:11 PM

UHHHH, That makes no sense.....Why would Fleetwood Mac play two shows for less than 3000 people combined for a large piece of the gate???

They got a big up front. It amounts to a corporate gig.

Sounds like a corporate to me... It's entirely possible it is an agreement with the tour promoters to do this, after all they did agree to extend the dates last year to help the promoters make back the revenue from lost ticket sales.

Either that or Stevie and John have a new habit :shocked: :shrug:

Maybe they are having a few senior moments and have replaced the coke and brandy binges of old with bingo nights? :laugh:

:wavey:

wondergirl9847

06-28-2004, 06:17 PM

Fleetwood Mac will be playing two nights, July 17 & 18, at the Chumash
Casino Resort in Santa Ynez near Santa Barbara. This room has a
capacity of only 1,300. For each of the shows we have held fifty (50) seats
per night, 100 in total, for the fan club which are going on sale on
Wednesday June 30th at 9am PT (limit two tickets per fan club member).

The tickets are $145.00 and are non-refundable. They are not in the
first few rows but every seat in the house is great.

For more information on this show, click the link below:
http://www.chumashcasino.com/fleetwood.htm

Fleetwood Mac Fan Club

So, I guess the first few rows are for the corporate cats? PPFFTT!!

ryan8472

06-28-2004, 08:39 PM

:( Well they can't stop touring until they play here in RI. I mean I have gone all over to see them the least that they could do for me is come here! :laugh: Even Heart is coming to Providence but it's on September 12 the same day that the Mac rescheduled Camden.

I'd go to the Heart show. It's closer and it's a change in pace (I.E.-Not another rehashed FM set). Then again, you could set a new record for most Mac shows in one tour...

WelshWitchPMD

06-28-2004, 08:50 PM

I'd go to the Heart show. It's closer and it's a change in pace (I.E.-Not another rehashed FM set). Then again, you could set a new record for most Mac shows in one tour...

I have to go see the Mac because I have a front row ticket and it seems to be the last date of the tour. That is a must go see!

EveryHour

06-30-2004, 12:37 PM

I can't say I care too much about why they chose to do this...we'd all KILL to see them in a 1,300 seater :] ! I'm just jealous of those who can go! Yeah, it sucks the front is for the richie-rich's, but that makes it seem like it is indeed some kind of corporate thing (which they/Stevie have certainly done before) and the suggestion that maybe one of them knows someone with the casino (I think Mick most likely) is a good possibility, IMO. :shrug:

tynan88

07-01-2004, 03:50 AM

Snyder said that more entertainment has been booked through next summer, but that the tribe - which manages the casino itself - is waiting until next July, when the 106-room hotel is due to open, to bring in more Leno-like names.

Fleetwood Mac a Leno-like name :laugh:

Good to hear we are on the elite list.

Tynan

MacMan

07-01-2004, 05:16 AM

I think the whole point of the gig is to bring attention to the casino that a regular joe blow band wouldn't and couldn't do.... Hence the reason for booking a huge band like Fleetwood Mac. Any amount paid to the band by the casino... even if it's a lose to the casino still would benefit the place.... because of the national attention it would receive. Would you have heard or been interested in the place otherwise??? No!

So corporate gig?... Don't think so. Strategic move by the casino? Think so!