how come no one likes Welcome TTRS

[dougb]

After reading posts for a year now Ive come to the conclusion that alot of people dont like welcome to the room sara.I have always really liked this song and am curious why the dislike.

[wondergirl9847]

I like the song. Sure, it's no Rhiannon, Storms or Landslide, but it's okay. I like singing it. :)

[Cristian]

The thing that saves it (for me at least) is those incredible vocal games between the three singers. I do listen to it just because of that.


Song of the moment - Get Like You Used To Be

[diamondsnake]

I love this song! I started a thread last year asking the same question and a bunch of people seemed to like the song. I also asked if anyone liked Paper Doll and a bunch of people said yes even though no one ever talks about that song!

[stevierocks87]

I really like this song, and love singing along too. I think the lyrics are great- about Stevie's rehab at Betty Ford. I especially love "This is a dream- right? Deja Vu..." and the lyrics from Blue Lamp. Like wondergirl said, its no Rhiannon, but as far as songs go, I think its great.

:wavey:adam :wavey:

[MacMan]

I'll support the song... I like it. It makes me think of her time in Betty Ford and what that must have been like being famous and in there.

[darklinensuit]

I like it a lot, especially the Blue Lamp lyrics thrown in and the way her voice sounds in the Deja-vu and Aw-aw lines.

- Jake

[David]

After reading posts for a year now Ive come to the conclusion that alot of people dont like welcome to the room sara.I have always really liked this song and am curious why the dislike.Reading through the positives in this thread, I see that everyone likes the words because of the personal nature of that experience for Stevie.

I don't really love the song because I think the arrangement & instrumentation are essentially hookless & the lead vocal is screechy. I also think a lot of those words are really dumb.

[dissention]

I don't like it because it's just a jumbled mess and none of it works or stands out. There is no hook whatsoever and the music is quite cheesy and half-baked. If this was written when she was in Betty Ford, you can certainly tell, the lyrics are a mess. Very sloppy and ill-conceived. Play it for a casual fan and you'll get a look of sheer confusion. The cryptic references to her management is what really puts me over the edge of despising this song. :laugh: And the stolen lyrics from Blue Lamp.

[strandinthewind]

Please not this again!
The last thread on this song went on for, like, 40 pages!
Johnny Stew will explain just why he thinks the song is greatness.
Then CarneVaca and Gaius will say how useless Stevie was in the mid 80s.
Then a debate will start up on who is better, Stevie or Lindsey and 40 pages later nothing will be resolved!
Let’s just say a lot of people don’t like this song, but there are plenty of people who do.
Different strokes for different folks and all that.
Okay?
:)


:nod: :nod: :nod: AMEN SISTER!!!!!! :nod: :nod: :nod:

[CarneVaca]

Please not this again!
Johnny Stew will explain just why he thinks the song is greatness.
Then CarneVaca and Gaius will say how useless Stevie was in the mid 80s.
Then a debate will start up on who is better, Stevie or Lindsey and 40 pages later nothing will be resolved!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Short answer: THE SONG SUCKS!

[golddustwoman77]

Personally, I like the lyrics to this song. It really tells the story about where she was at that point in her life. I don't like the music and the tempo of the song. The song has this really draggy tempo. I think that just pulls the song down. It is like the lyrics are trying to move forward, but the tempo keeps pulling them back. The music, tempo, and lyrics don't even match up in my opinion. :shrug: The song would be much better, if it had different music with a different beat/tempo. Of course, to each his own. :thumbsup:

[darklinensuit]

I was actually thinking of When I See You Again, wasn’t I? :(
Oh well, those two are the most maligned songs on Tango,

You're forgetting Family Man. :nod:

- Jake

[Janet]

Tango in the Night is such a mixed album. I love Big Love. I love Seven Wonders. I love the title song. I love Little Lies. I love Isn't It Midnight . I like You and I Part II ,I even love When I See You Again.

But then I HATE Family Man, I HATE Caroline, I HATE Mystified and I HATE WTTRS. It's like these songs were just thrown together half-assed and put on the album because they had nothing else. I know the whole story and it's no wonder these songs got on but I just never had an album where some songs are my absolute FAV and some I hate the most. Oh well.

WTTRS would be better if something was different, like some organization of the music, lyrics and everything else that's going on. It just doesn't sound right at all. It's a mess.

I know I forgot Everywhere but I don't have any opinion of that song.

[wondergirl9847]

You're forgetting Family Man. :nod:

- Jake

Family Man is GREATNESS!! :nod:

I think it's funny that Stevie has a hint of a British accent or something during WTTRS...."did I come heah..." LOL

[dissention]

Family Man is GREATNESS!! :nod:

:nod: :nod: :nod:

I think it's funny to hear people who love WTTR...S say Family Man is crap. Quite ironic, actually. :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

Ya'll are making me wanna go listen to Tango!! I adore the album to much. It's tied with Rumours and Tusk as my fave FM album. LOL If I HAD to rank them....Rumours, then Tango, then Tusk. I don't care how d**** it sounds or whatever, I LOVE it!!

[gldstwmn]

After reading posts for a year now Ive come to the conclusion that alot of people dont like welcome to the room sara.I have always really liked this song and am curious why the dislike.

I like the song. :shrug:

[darklinensuit]

Family Man is GREATNESS!! :nod:

I think it's funny that Stevie has a hint of a British accent or something during WTTRS...."did I come heah..." LOL

Not a fan of Family Man. Sorry.
To me, Stevie's British accent is most pronounced on Amber: "You've a daughtuh..." :)

- Jake

[GypsySorcerer]

I love TITN.....McBuck at their finest.

I don't like WTTR...S and WISYA because of Stevie's vocals. I love her, I really do, but during that period her voice was shot. I don't like the lyrics all that much to WTTR...S but a better vocal would have made it more tolerable. I think her vocal on Seven Wonders is atrocious as well, but the song is so damn catchy. I love it, even though I shouldn't.

[CarneVaca]

:nod: :nod: :nod:

I think it's funny to hear people who love WTTR...S say Family Man is crap. Quite ironic, actually. :laugh:

Yeah, to even put them in the same category is silly. WWTR Sara comes across as if pretty much everyone had given up. Stevie had given up trying to write and sing, Lindsey had given up trying to turn **** into gold.

Family man, at least musically, is wonderful.

[madformac]

I think there is more structure in a pile of dog**** than "Welcome To The Room... Sara" IMHO. :eek:

Having said that, I think "Family Man" is one of Lindsey's weaker numbers too (athough the guitar and song structure is fine).

Tango is essentially, for me, Christine's album although the original "Big Love" is my favorite track.

:wavey:

[Villavic]

I do like the song
and I also like Family Man. I like the Tango album a lot!!!!

I like WTTRS more than Straight Back

[Carolina Girl]

I really like this song, and love singing along too. I think the lyrics are great- about Stevie's rehab at Betty Ford. I especially love "This is a dream- right? Deja Vu..." and the lyrics from Blue Lamp. Like wondergirl said, its no Rhiannon, but as far as songs go, I think its great.

:wavey:adam :wavey:


My opinion couldn't be more opposite! "This is a dream - right?" is just embarrassing. It makes me cringe.

[wondergirl9847]

I do like the song
and I also like Family Man. I like the Tango album a lot!!!!

I like WTTRS more than Straight Back

I wouldn't go THAT far. LOL Straight Back is GREATNESS! :nod:

[tommer]

I don't like it because it's just a jumbled mess and none of it works or stands out. There is no hook whatsoever and the music is quite cheesy and half-baked. If this was written when she was in Betty Ford, you can certainly tell, the lyrics are a mess. Very sloppy and ill-conceived. Play it for a casual fan and you'll get a look of sheer confusion. The cryptic references to her management is what really puts me over the edge of despising this song. :laugh: And the stolen lyrics from Blue Lamp.
i couldn't disagree more.

1. it's not a "jumbled mess", it's just the 'untamed' nicks. unlike silver girl, or say you will, this is one of her more raw stuff.

2. yes, it doesn't have a hook, heck, it doesn't have a chorus even! but actually, it's quite bold if you ask me, and besides, this song connects with Sara, which doesn't have a chorus either despite being 20 minutes long.

3. you sound to me like those old purists who go "oh... those 'modern artists' they can't even sketch properly, that's why they create such abstract paintings", that's funny, ms. nicks is a skillful, professional and award-winning songwriter, it's not like she "forgets" a chorus or a hook, there are times (such as wttr...s) when her writing's SO brilliant, that she doesn't even NEED those. she's in fact singing a poem and not a song, which i think is truly admirable.

4. in fact, i did use this song a coupla times as an example for people who claimed FM or SN's music to be shallow or too commercial, and usually it worked.

[Merf]

I do like the song
and I also like Family Man. I like the Tango album a lot!!!!

I like WTTRS more than Straight Back

GASP! *dies* :eek:

[Johnny Stew]

Please not this again!
The last thread on this song went on for, like, 40 pages!
Johnny Stew will explain just why he thinks the song is greatness.
Then CarneVaca and Gaius will say how useless Stevie was in the mid 80s.
:)

Crap, I'm getting too predictable! :o :laugh:

Anyway, of Stevie's three 'Tango' songs, I'd say that "Welcome To The Room... Sara," is my least favorite. Though I certainly don't hate it by any means.

Yes, it's unstructured and offbeat... but then, I thought that "different" was supposed to be a good thing? :shrug:
And hey, at least it's not "just another love song" thematically. :)

I think it's moving when taken in context, but I can see why it would be off-putting to the casual listener.
But when I first heard it (as a very new fan), I was totally intrigued because I had no idea what she was singing about... so that lent a mystery to the song, which had great appeal for me. I actually usually prefer when a song's meaning is rather enigmatic, rather than be hit over the head with it... and that's yet another reason Stevie's songs have always had so much appeal to me.
Even the more straight-forward songs have their element of mystery.

I think "WTTR...S" is one of those "love it or hate it" kind of songs, and it just all has to do with what appeals to you, or what you look for in a song. :)

[dissention]

Yes, it's unstructured and offbeat... but then, I thought that "different" was supposed to be a good thing? :shrug:

Yeah, if the end result is worthwhile. :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Yeah, to even put ("Family Man" and "Welcome To The Room... Sara") in the same category is silly. WWTR Sara comes across as if pretty much everyone had given up. Stevie had given up trying to write and sing, Lindsey had given up trying to turn **** into gold.

Family man, at least musically, is wonderful.


Proving once again that, while I may be a "Stevie Defender," you are the great Lindsey Defender. :laugh: ;)

Seriously though, I find appeal in both songs... "Family Man" is spunky and good plain fun, and "WTTR...S" is funky and striking. :)

[dissention]

3. you sound to me like those old purists who go "oh... those 'modern artists' they can't even sketch properly, that's why they create such abstract paintings", that's funny, ms. nicks is a skillful, professional and award-winning songwriter, it's not like she "forgets" a chorus or a hook, there are times (such as wttr...s) when her writing's SO brilliant, that she doesn't even NEED those. she's in fact singing a poem and not a song, which i think is truly admirable.

Me? Not at all, I just know **** when I hear it.

[Johnny Stew]

Yeah, if the end result is worthwhile. :lol:

No matter what we may think of the song as individuals, the end result is always worthwhile if someone comes away from it with something.

Some people obviously like/love "WTTR...S," so to me, that makes it worthwhile. :nod: :D

[CarneVaca]

3. you sound to me like those old purists who go "oh... those 'modern artists' they can't even sketch properly, that's why they create such abstract paintings", that's funny, ms. nicks is a skillful, professional and award-winning songwriter, it's not like she "forgets" a chorus or a hook, there are times (such as wttr...s) when her writing's SO brilliant, that she doesn't even NEED those. she's in fact singing a poem and not a song, which i think is truly admirable.

Tastes are tastes. But to call this song brilliant is a stretch. A big stretch. It has nothing to do with the structure or whatever. The song SUCKS. There's nothing redeeming about it. It's that simple.

[jadegypsy]

Well I'm one of those who just doesn't care for it, in fact Tango is my LEAST fave of the Rumors line-up, half I like, half I just don't care, and half I really dislike. As for why, WTTRS is just so very depressing, the vocal and music don't really mesh, and she rambles off in the end. I do like some of the lyrics, but overall they are just a bit off, plus I don't care for the use of Tara. But then again I really don't care for much of Stevies work from 87-95 with a few exceptions, overall it just seems like Stevie lost part of what made me love her, she just has very little enthusiasm, or even focus, and seems really depressed, and yes I do know about the klopin stuff...

[Johnny Stew]

Tastes are tastes. But to call this song brilliant is a stretch. A big stretch. It has nothing to do with the structure or whatever. The song SUCKS. There's nothing redeeming about it. It's that simple.

Tell Tommer again why it is that "I Must Go" is so great. :p :laugh:

(Don't mind me, I'm just being puckish.) :D

[CarneVaca]

Tell Tommer again why it is that "I Must Go" is so great. :p :laugh:

(Don't mind me, I'm just being puckish.) :D

And this is why I must go
I must go
And this is why I must go
I must go

Dang it, man, it's infectious. So much so that, I just can't help it,

I MUST GO
:lol:

[darklinensuit]

I like the rhythm, vocals, and lyrics of WTTR...S. I have the Family Man single and I still can't stand it. Obviously some of us have strong opinions on both sides.

- Jake

[tommer]

Tell Tommer again why it is that "I Must Go" is so great. :p :laugh:

(Don't mind me, I'm just being puckish.) :D
c'mon, it's unfair and politically incorrect to laugh at those who listen to Go Insane :eek: man... just go to the market and buy yourself some tact.

[dissention]

I have the Family Man single and I still can't stand it.

Send it to me then, dammit!

I miss my Family Man vinyl. :( I left it on my porch and it melted. :lol:

[darklinensuit]

Send it to me then, dammit!

I miss my Family Man vinyl. :( I left it on my porch and it melted. :lol:

Really? I left mine in the oven and nothing happened. Damn me & my cooking skills. ;)
If we meet, it's yours.

- Jake

[Hawkeye]

I gotta join the LOVE Family Man and dislike not hate WTTRS. And I also LOVE Caroline the other Lindsey song bashed from this album. Face it people Tango just wasn't Stevie's album. It was Lindsey's and christine's to a point, although Mystified is another clunker. As is Watsah Mattah Baba. Of course Watsah Matah Baba is a masterpiece next to The Second Time. And The Second Time is a masterpiece next to When You Say.

[darklinensuit]

I gotta join the LOVE Family Man and dislike not hate WTTRS. And I also LOVE Caroline the other Lindsey song bashed from this album. Face it people Tango just wasn't Stevie's album. It was Lindsey's and christine's to a point, although Mystified is another clunker. As is Watsah Mattah Baba. Of course Watsah Matah Baba is a masterpiece next to The Second Time. And The Second Time is a masterpiece next to When You Say.

Again, to each his own, but I find Tango Stevie preferable to BTM Stevie. But I do love Freedom.

- Jake

[Johnny Stew]

Send it to me then, dammit!

I miss my Family Man vinyl. :( I left it on my porch and it melted. :lol:

I have the "Family Man" 7" single, the 12" maxi-single, AND the cassette-single... and you can't have any of 'em!
*neener-neener-neener* ;)

[CarneVaca]

c'mon, it's unfair and politically incorrect to laugh at those who listen to Go Insane :eek: man... just go to the market and buy yourself some tact.

Didn't stop me at all from laughing at you for saying Welcome to the Room Sara is brilliant. I wish we had a place on this board for "Insane Quotes from Ledgies."

[darklinensuit]

I have the "Family Man" 7" single, the 12" maxi-single, AND the cassette-single... and you can't have any of 'em!
*neener-neener-neener* ;)

Send it to him broken. ;) :laugh: :laugh: (Totally kidding)

- Jake

[CarneVaca]

I gotta join the LOVE Family Man and dislike not hate WTTRS. And I also LOVE Caroline the other Lindsey song bashed from this album.

Caroline may have been the first song I fell in love with on this album. It was the first song that truly clued me in to what Lindsey was trying to do. Sonically, it is wonderful. The lyrics are kind of blah.

[darklinensuit]

Caroline may have been the first song I fell in love with on this album. It was the first song that truly clued me in to what Lindsey was trying to do. Sonically, it is wonderful. The lyrics are kind of blah.

I agree almost completely, though the lyrics to the chorus are okay.

- Jake

[dissention]

I have the "Family Man" 7" single, the 12" maxi-single, AND the cassette-single... and you can't have any of 'em!
*neener-neener-neener* ;)

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/asshole2.gif

I have the cassette, but I miss my 12" inch. I love to play all my Mac vinyls on my turntable, and I especially loved those remixes. :thumbsup:

[darklinensuit]

but I miss my 12" inch. :

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :angel:

- Jake

[Johnny Stew]

I have the cassette, but I miss my 12" inch. I love to play all my Mac vinyls on my turntable, and I especially loved those remixes. :thumbsup:

They are fun, aren't they? :D
I especially like the "guitar remix."

[dissention]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :angel:

- Jake

I knew I'd get something outta you, http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/asshole2.gif.

[Johnny Stew]

Jake... I wasn't even going to touch that comment!
You're bad. :p

[dissention]

They are fun, aren't they? :D
I especially like the "guitar remix."

I love all the Tango remixes, actually. :D The guitar remix for Family Man is one of my favorites, along with ALL of the Little Lies ones. I love the added Stevie vocals at the end of those. "Tell me lies...WHOA...sweet little lies!" Love it! :xoxo:

[dissention]

Jake... I wasn't even going to touch that comment!

Stand back, we don't know how big it gets! :eek: :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

I knew I'd get something outta you, http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/asshole2.gif.

Nope. The 12" are not something you get. :D

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Jake... I wasn't even going to touch that comment!
You're bad. :p

If you can't p*** with the big boys...

- Jake

[dissention]

Nope. The 12" are not something you get. :D

- Jake

I'll have to drive around town looking for them. Of course, I'll have to inspect them for quality before any money changes hands. ;)

[darklinensuit]

I love all the Tango remixes, actually. :D The guitar remix for Family Man is one of my favorites, along with ALL of the Little Lies ones. I love the added Stevie vocals at the end of those. "Tell me lies...WHOA...sweet little lies!" Love it! :xoxo:

Believe it or not, Seven Wonders is one of my favorite songs, but I hate the extended version.

- Jake

[dissention]

Believe it or not, Seven Wonders is one of my favorite songs, but I hate the extended version.

- Jake

The long intro on the remix is a bit draining, but after the song kicks into gear, I'm fine with it.

[darklinensuit]

I'll have to drive around town looking for them. Of course, I'll have to inspect them for quality before any money changes hands. ;)

There's a lesson you learned the hard way, no doubt.

- Jake

[Johnny Stew]

I love all the Tango remixes, actually. :D

Same here, but of the "Family Man" remixes, the "guitar remix" is easily my fave. :D

I dig all the extra percussion on the "Seven Wonders" remix (I also love the prominence of the last line Stevie utters: "well, if I hope and I pray, maybe it might work out someday"), and of course all of the extra Stevie vocals on "Big Love," "Little Lies" and "Family Man" are really cool.

The only lame-duck in the bunch, is the "Everywhere" remix. I can see why it wasn't released in the states. "Anemic" is a good word for it.

[darklinensuit]

Stand back, we don't know how big it gets! :eek: :laugh:

"Longing for the day, when everybody finds out!" :)

- Jake

[dissention]

There's a lesson you learned the hard way, no doubt.

- Jake

Yeah, don't leave any 12" inchers on a hot porch for fear of it being rendered useless.

[darklinensuit]

Same here, but of the "Family Man" remixes, the "guitar remix" is easily my fave. :D

I dig all the extra percussion on the "Seven Wonders" remix (I also love that the prominence of the last line Stevie utters: "well, if I hope and I pray, maybe it might work out someday"), and of course all of the extra Stevie vocals on "Big Love," "Little Lies" and "Family Man" are really cool.

The only lame-duck in the bunch, is the "Everywhere" remix. I can see why it wasn't released in the states. "Anemic" is a good word for it.

I bought the Family Man single used years ago because I incorrectly assumed it was the version with Stevie. :rolleyes:

- Jake

[dissention]

The only lame-duck in the bunch, is the "Everywhere" remix. I can see why it wasn't released in the states. "Anemic" is a good word for it.

Yeah, that's nothing to write home about. But the other ones are great. :D I think it sucks that there isn't a remix for Isn't It Midnight, that would've ROCKED.

[darklinensuit]

Yeah, don't leave any 12" inchers on a hot porch for fear of it being rendered useless.

Like a blister in the sun. :shocked:

- Jake

[trackaghost]

Caroline may have been the first song I fell in love with on this album. It was the first song that truly clued me in to what Lindsey was trying to do. Sonically, it is wonderful. The lyrics are kind of blah.

I would adore Caroline if it weren't for the terrible lyrics. It's such a shame because the music is great, but the lazy rhyming just spoils it for me.
Lindsey has really improved since then in the lyrics department.
:nod:

[Hawkeye]

I see nothing wrong with the lrics to Caroline or Family Man.

[dissention]

Like a blister in the sun. :shocked:

- Jake

Track a 12" incher through the fog, the sun is burning it.

[darklinensuit]

Track a 12" incher through the fog, the sun is burning it.

"I love to dance with a man with a..."
(The missing Garbo demo ;) :sorry: )

- Jake

[dissention]

"I love to dance with a man with a..."
(The missing Garbo demo ;) :sorry: )

- Jake

:lol: Good one!

[Johnny Stew]

Yeah, that's nothing to write home about. But the other ones are great. :D I think it sucks that there isn't a remix for Isn't It Midnight, that would've ROCKED.

I've always wondered if there really is a longer version of the mix on 'The Chain' boxed-set, which is listed as an "edited alternate mix."
You'd think that it would have surfaced by now, if it existed.

That song was the perfect candidate for a great, lengthy tour de force club remix.

[dissention]

I've always wondered if there really is a longer version of the mix on 'The Chain' boxed-set, which is listed as an "edited alternate mix."
You'd think that it would have surfaced by now, if it existed.

That song was the perfect candidate for a great, lengthy tour de force club remix.

Have you ever heard the demo for it? I donwloaded a few months ago and I kinda dug it.

[Johnny Stew]

Have you ever heard the demo for it? I donwloaded a few months ago and I kinda dug it.

Hmm... I probably have, but I can't remember exactly.
I need to check.

It's funny because, as much as I love 'Tango,' some of Christine & Lindsey's songs in their "work-in-progress" state were pretty lame.

[stefan]

To the WTTRS topic: of course the song is not one of the outstanding good ones from TITN. But: in comparison to something like Silver girl it is not that bad. In fact I like it not because of the songwriting but because of the Lindsey singing part and exactly for that reason I like the ending of WISYA.

Caroline is a great song, his voice sounds cool and it was one of the reasons I got a fan back then. And the vocals- well english is not my first language so that is not my main interest in the beginning. The music is my main interest. Otherwise I wouldn`t listen to some of Stevies stuff I guess.

Family man has this silly cheap sounding synth on it. Unfortunately he re-cycled that on Soul drifter which makes this good song sound a little cheap... It would be interesting to get to know what those two would sound like nowadays!

[darklinensuit]

I've always wondered if there really is a longer version of the mix on 'The Chain' boxed-set, which is listed as an "edited alternate mix."
You'd think that it would have surfaced by now, if it existed.

That song was the perfect candidate for a great, lengthy tour de force club remix.

Yup.

- Jake

[sodascouts]

Please not this again!
The last thread on this song went on for, like, 40 pages!
Johnny Stew will explain just why he thinks the song is greatness.
Then CarneVaca and Gaius will say how useless Stevie was in the mid 80s.
Then a debate will start up on who is better, Stevie or Lindsey and 40 pages later nothing will be resolved!
Let’s just say a lot of people don’t like this song, but there are plenty of people who do.
Different strokes for different folks and all that.
Okay?
:)

LOL! Ain't that the truth!!!

[sodascouts]

:nod: :nod: :nod:

I think it's funny to hear people who love WTTR...S say Family Man is crap. Quite ironic, actually. :laugh:

Yeah, gotta agree here. They BOTH suck!

[sodascouts]

And I also LOVE Caroline the other Lindsey song bashed from this album.

Yeah, I was surprised to hear that song dissed. We all have our tastes, of course, but IMHO that's my fourth favorite.
My breakdown of Tango, for the small number of people who might care what I think:
Favorite: Little Lies
Pretty good - Big Love, Seven Wonders, Caroline, TITN, Everywhere
Tolerable - Mystified, Isn't It Midnight, You and I Part II
Absolutely wretched: WTTR....S, WISYA, and Family Man.

Obviously not my favorite album.

[sodascouts]

Caroline may have been the first song I fell in love with on this album. It was the first song that truly clued me in to what Lindsey was trying to do. Sonically, it is wonderful. The lyrics are kind of blah.

"Dusty fury on the mountaintop" - I love that! OK, perhaps some of the other lines are a little "get out the rhyming dictionary and find something that works"-sounding, but that one is great, IMHO.

[chiliD]

My breakdown of Tango, for small number of people who might care what I think:
Pretty good - Big Love, Seven Wonders, Caroline, TITN
Tolerable - Mystified, Isn't It Midnight, You and I Part II
Absolutely wretched: WTTR....S, WISYA, and Family Man.

Obviously not my favorite album.

Ummmm...and "Little Lies"??

And here's MY breakdown of Tango, for an even LESS number of people who might care what I think: ;)

Wonderful: Big Love, Everywhere, Isn't It Midnight, Mystified, Little Lies
Pretty good: Caroline, Tango In The Night, Family Man
So-so: Seven Wonders, You and I, Part II
BARELY Tolerable in the BEST mood: When I See You Again
Absolutely wretched under any circumstance: Welcome To The Room...Sara
Should've made the album: You & I, Part I, Book Of Miracles, Down Endless Street
Glad it was only a B-side: Ricky

[sodascouts]

Ummmm...and "Little Lies"??
My favorite. I meant to put it at the top.... ah well. Duly edited. :)

P.S. I also added in Everywhere (hint, hint).

Should've made the album: You & I, Part I, Book Of Miracles, Down Endless Street
Glad it was only a B-side: Ricky
With these I agree. You may now rest easy. ;)

Let me add to that:
Should've made the album: Juliet (of course this would mean BOM stays off) and Joan of Arc.

[Hawkeye]

OK Il do the Tango break down :laugh:

GREAT- Tango in the Night, Little Lies, Family Man, Caroline

Really Good- Seven Wonders, Big Love, Everywhere

OK- Isn't It Midnight

Bad- Mystified, WTTRS, When I See You Again, You and I

[goldie]

Just gotta add my two cents - better late than never - and say that I love WTTRS!!!!!! One of my faves of hers.

[sparky]

Poor Dougb - you had no idea ! Now ask why people don't like WISYA. Then some real fur will fly.

I'm no fan of the WTTR...S. Like I have said before, the lyrics are incoherent, the vocal is off. Sounds like she thoughtlessly strung lyric scraps of ten different songs together. I think it is one of her three worst songs ever. But, of course others love it !

[Cristian]

I have the "Family Man" 7" single, the 12" maxi-single, AND the cassette-single... and you can't have any of 'em!
*neener-neener-neener* ;)I seriously don't understand how can you survive being the owner of that number of versions of that piece of crap. It's the most HORRENDOUS song ever recorded by anyone related with Fleetwood Mac in any possible way, a terrible shame on the people who accepted that Lindsey just had to put it on the album, and a pity for me because I bought the album and I hate that thing.

Ah, rant of the day... Feels so good. :D


Song of the moment - Sara

[Cristian]

I might as well take my turn and do my fast analyisis of Tango songs... for the infinitely small number of people who actually care...

Favorite - Isn't It Midnight
Very good - Little Lies, Big Love, Seven Wonders, Everywhere
Good - Tango In The Night, Mystified
Blah - You And I Part II, Welcome To The Room... Sara, When I See You Again
Bad - Caroline
Astonishingly bad - Family Man

Except for "Book Of Miracles/Juliet" which should have been added to the setlist, I don't think any of the other B sides was strong enough to be part of the album in the first place.


Song of the moment - Sara

[darklinensuit]

I seriously don't understand how can you survive being the owner of that number of versions of that piece of crap. It's the most HORRENDOUS song ever recorded by anyone related with Fleetwood Mac in any possible way, a terrible shame on the people who accepted that Lindsey just had to put it on the album, and a pity for me because I bought the album and I hate that thing.

Ah, rant of the day... Feels so good. :D


Song of the moment - Sara

I agree, and it's a blight on the otherwise great VBOFM album.

- Jake

[dissention]

I agree, and it's a blight on the otherwise great VBOFM album.

- Jake

Surely you're joking. That travesty "No Questions Asked" is on it, you know. One of her worst songs.

[darklinensuit]

And my Tango breakdown:

Favorite: Seven Wonders
Great: WTTR...S, Little Lies, Tango In The Night, WISYA
Pretty Good: Isn't It Midnight (Needs more lyrics), Big Love
So-so: Mystified, You & I Part II, Caroline
Barely Tolerable: Everywhere
Wretched: Family Man

- Jake

[sparky]

Surely you're joking.

Don't call Jake Shirley.

[darklinensuit]

Surely you're joking. That travesty "No Questions Asked" is on it, you know. One of her worst songs.

My only problem with that song is the production - It sounds muffled, like much of her work of that era. It's still world better than Affairs Of The Heart, and universes better than Family Man, IMO.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Don't call Jake Shirley.

Who's Mr. Shirley, and why shouldn't we call him? :cool:

- Jake

[AliP]

Surely you're joking. That travesty "No Questions Asked" is on it, you know. One of her worst songs.


I LOVE that song. One of my all time faves :)

[sparky]

Who's Mr. Shirley, and why shouldn't we call him? :cool:

- Jake

Could be that Jake Shirley is a good friend of Shirley Feeney.

[dissention]

Favorites: Isn't It Midnight, Little Lies, Big Love, Tango In the Night

Good: Caroline, Mystified, You and I Part 2, Seven Wonders, Family Man

Mediocre: Everywhere

Unlistenable: WISYA, WTTR...S

[dissention]

I LOVE that song. One of my all time faves :)

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, I guess. :xoxo:

[darklinensuit]

Could be that Jake Shirley is a good friend of Shirley Feeney.

But is he a schlemiel or a schlamazal? :wavey:

- Jake

[sparky]

But is he a schlemiel or a schlamazal? :wavey:

- Jake

He's a Hazenfeff Incorporated ! :D

[littlelies7]

Not a huge fan of the song, but hey...

*ducks*

It's better than WISYA.

[GypsySorcerer]

Tango breakdown:

Outstanding: Isn't it Midnight, Little Lies, Tango in the Night, Big Love
Good: Mystified, Caroline, Seven Wonders, You and I, Part II
Average: Family Man, Everywhere
Barely Tolerable: WISYA
Wretched: WTTR...S

We should do this for all the albums! :laugh: :blob1:

[littlelies7]

My Tango breakdown:

"They're So Freakin' Awesome!":
Little Lies, Isn't It Midnight, Caroline, TITN, Mystified *ducks*, Everywhere, You and I Part II

"Ehh, They're Okay":
Big Love, Seven Wonders, WTTR...S

"Hit the Search Button Now!!":
Family Man, WISYA

[sodascouts]

I LOVE that song [No Questions Asked]. One of my all time faves :)

I like it a lot too! It's in my top 40 Fleetwood Mac songs.

[darklinensuit]

He's a Hazenfeff Incorporated ! :D

Not any longer. He was given any rule, and he broke it. Now his dreams won't come true. :(

- Jake

[GypsySorcerer]

I LOVE that song. One of my all time faves :)


I like No Questions Asked too, especially the lyrics.

[darklinensuit]

I like No Questions Asked too, especially the lyrics.

Well, that's a woman's right, they say. :)

- Jake

[CarneVaca]

For the one person around here cares what I think, namely me:

Here's what I would have done with Tango to make it perfect:

Pull our WTTRS and Whassamaddababy. Now, the latter I would keep if it somehow could be edited. Maybe cut down on the first 40,000 whassamaddas.

Then:

Big Love
Seven Wonders
Everywhere
Caroline
Tango in the Night
Mystified (why do so many people diss this song?)
Little Lies
Family Man
You and I, Part I
Isn't It Midnight?
You and I, Part II

[darklinensuit]

Mystified (why do so many people diss this song?)

IMO it's not terrible, it's just a too slickly produced version of Over & Over or One More Lonely Night. It's just kind of there separating the two sides, for those of us who remember cassettes.

- Jake

[dissention]

I dusted off my Tango vinyl this morning and played WTTRS to see if sounded any better.

Nope, still sucks. :wavey:

[GypsySorcerer]

Mystified (why do so many people diss this song?)



I have no idea. I really like it. Chris' music is great, and the lyrics are among the closest to a real love song Lindsey ever penned.

[darklinensuit]

I dusted off my Tango vinyl this morning and played WTTRS to see if sounded any better.

Nope, still sucks. :wavey:

Maybe you need to dust off your ears. ;) :p

- Jake

[GypsySorcerer]

Well, that's a woman's right, they say. :)

- Jake


There's that sense of humor. I was wondering when I'd finally see it. :D :wavey:

[dissention]

Maybe you need to dust off your ears. ;) :p

- Jake

I was expecting a much filthier response, Jakey boy. You're slipping!

[darklinensuit]

I have no idea. I really like it. Chris' music is great, and the lyrics are among the closest to a real love song Lindsey ever penned.

I do enjoy the harmonies, I guess.

I'm intrigued by Mac songs that the songwriter doesn't sing lead on. Does anybody know the exact reasons that Chris sings Mystified (She does sound great, of course) and Lindsey sings Crystal? I know there are theories, but has anybody in the band ever commented?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I was expecting a much filthier response, Jakey boy. You're slipping!

Not at all. I just figured you've been through enough getting your little needle onto the vinyl. Watch for scratches.:angel:

- Jake

[chiliD]

P.S. I also added in Everywhere (hint, hint).

:cool: D'OH!!!!! :sorry:

Also, post duly edited. :thumbsup:

[The Tower]

"No Questions Asked" is AWESOME!! I love that track.

"Welcome to the Room... Sara" isn't great, but it's not **** either. On the other hand....

"Family Man" - worst non-Mirage Lindsey song ever.

Why on earth do so many people like "Little Lies"?? :confused: It's one of Christine's worst songs ever, in my opinion. So crappy-poppy-bouncy... **BLECCCHHH!!!**

[darklinensuit]

"Family Man" - worst non-Mirage Lindsey song ever.

What's worse on Mirage? :confused:
(I have my guesses.)

- Jake

[The Tower]

What's worse on Mirage? :confused:
(I have my guesses.)

- Jake

Hello!?!??!

"Empire State" and "Oh Diane" are really awful...

[darklinensuit]

Hello!?!??!

"Empire State" and "Oh Diane" are really awful...

I knew you'd go there. :lol:
I'm the only fan of Empire State. It's not my favorite, but it's okay. Oh Diane is just too annoyingly repetitive. I still prefer it to Family Man based on the sound.

- Jake

[dissention]

I <33333333333333333333 Oh Diane. Not too keen on Empire State, but it's grown on me.

[GypsySorcerer]

Empire State grates on my nerves, but I admit to liking Oh Diane. I'm a sucker for anything 50s sounding. :D

[dissention]

Empire State grates on my nerves, but I admit to liking Oh Diane. I'm a sucker for anything 50s sounding. :D

A Republican with good taste. Who knew? ;) :wavey: :thumbsup:

[GypsySorcerer]

A Republican with good taste. Who knew? ;) :wavey: :thumbsup:

LMAO! :laugh: We have our qualities, you know. Whether they're good or bad is subject to interpretation. :wavey: