The mac songwriters listening other's solo works..

[Villavic]

We have talked a lot about the mac soap opera, including the fights, the breakups, the (possible) slaps, etc.

But talking about JUST music, during all that time (specially the 80s), I wonder if Stevie liked or was just curious about listening Lindsey's albums, or Christine album. And Lindsey or Chris about Stevie's records, etc.. etc..

And did they enjoyed those songs? What could be Chris favorite Lindsey's song? And Stevie's?, and so on.... (did Lindsey have a Stevie's favorite song? so weird during the 80s, hard to separate feelings, isn't it?)

I know Mick listened and sure liked most of his fellow's songs. But the songwriters, I really wonder.

And.. Does Chris have a SYW favorite song? What will Stevie & Lindsey think about In the Meantime?

Should be interesting to know about it.

[tothegypsy]

I remember Stevie said that Lindsey never gave her any feedback or support after she made Bella Donna, and that Trouble In Shangri-La was the first album she made where he actually congratulated her on a job well done.

[dissention]

Stevie must've thought Lindsey's stuff was pornographic. :eek:

[Villavic]

Stevie must've thought Lindsey's stuff was pornographic.

I don't get it. :confused:

[Johnny Stew]

I don't get it. :confused:

I think maybe dissention was referring to the "naughty" aspects of some of Lindsey's solo tracks... like "Love From Here, Love From There," and "Slow Dancing."

[GardenStateGirlie]

I would say that even though as far as we know, Lindsey never took his autographed copy of Belladonna, that he did listen to all of Stevie's solo albums when they came out. I'm sure at the initial listen, there was criticism, followed by much analyzation and then there was hurt because he realized that she didn't need him as much as he wanted her to need him. Now that he's matured and the two of them have not necessarily gotten rid of but instead put their competition aside, he really likes her music, IMO.

As far as Stevie listening to Lindsey's music, I'm sure Stevie was very proud of Lindsey when he released his solo albums. However, I do recall her making a comment, "I wasn't really part of his Go Insane, going insane period..." I don't know that she really enjoyed that album too much.

I would imagine since Christine appeared on Lindsey's first album (and would have been appearing on GOS), that she owns his music and appreciates his talents. They always seemed to share a rapport with one another where the music is concerned.

I'd like to think John owns everyones albums and has listened to them and Mick...well you know he does :laugh:

[no_spoken_word]

I remember reading a quote a few years ago about how after TISL was completed Stevie gave Lindsey a copy, and later he said he loved it, but when Stevie went to his house she saw they cd and it hadn't even been opened... does anybody else remember this, or is my mind playing tricks on me?

[Merf]

I remember reading a quote a few years ago about how after TISL was completed Stevie gave Lindsey a copy, and later he said he loved it, but when Stevie went to his house she saw they cd and it hadn't even been opened... does anybody else remember this, or is my mind playing tricks on me?

Yeah I remember reading that too. But I also remember reading that Stevie, Mick and Lindsey listened to the album together right before it came out, sort of like a private thing, I think. So he heard it all the way through at that time. I'm sure that's when he heard it and made the comment.

[Cour]

Yeah I remember reading that too. But I also remember reading that Stevie, Mick and Lindsey listened to the album together right before it came out, sort of like a private thing, I think. So he heard it all the way through at that time. I'm sure that's when he heard it and made the comment.


This is from Stevie's interview with Sonicnet in June 2001 where she's talking about listening to TISL and the demos she put together for the new FM cd with Lindsey and Mick:

"Lindsey and Mick were here two weeks ago. I went back through the song vaults and I pulled 17 songs from a hundred years ago all the way up to now. We listened to Shangri-La, and we listened to the 17 demos, and Lindsey was knocked out. He really hadn't heard all these songs; I guess I just never really played them for him. He had no idea that I was going to present him with 17 songs; he thought maybe we were gonna work on a song. So he called me the next day and said, "I'm driving up the coast and I'm taking notes and I'm very happy with all these songs." So that's about the nicest thing he ever said to me, really. "I'm very happy with all this music" was like, "Oh my God, I can't believe he said that!" So you know, I will follow my Trouble in Shangri-La through as long as it goes, and Lindsey and Mick will work on [the new Fleetwood Mac songs] when I'm gone, and I'll come back and we'll go in the studio and polish it all up. And hopefully a Fleetwood Mac album should be out by the end of next summer. It's very easy to sit down and plan this all out because you never know what's gonna happen. But in the perfect plan that's what I would like".

[diamondsnake]

I remember reading a quote a few years ago about how after TISL was completed Stevie gave Lindsey a copy, and later he said he loved it, but when Stevie went to his house she saw they cd and it hadn't even been opened... does anybody else remember this, or is my mind playing tricks on me?

I'm sure that is just a Rumour. If they were planning on doing a new Fleetwood Mac record I am sure he would be very interested in seeing what her current sound was... Not to mention I am sure he was excited to hear her new record!

[David]

But talking about JUST music, during all that time (specially the 80s), I wonder if Stevie liked or was just curious about listening Lindsey's albums, or Christine album. And Lindsey or Chris about Stevie's records, etc. And did they enjoyed those songs?Far-out question. Just guessing based on what I know about them, their personalities & their likes & dislikes, I'd say that Stevie likes some tunes here & there from Lindsey's solo work -- like Trouble & Soul Drifter & All My Sorrows. In fact, one radio guy asked her in 1981 whether she had heard "Law & Order" & she said that she heard it & some of it wasn't really her thing but Trouble was a beautiful song in her view. It's likely that a lot of his solo work leaves her cold; his musical concerns don't really coincide with hers. As for what he thinks about her solo stuff, it's probably a similar picture. Her stuff probably strikes him as too mainstream & undisciplined. Her producers gather all these old-school session guys to record with her, & I can't imagine their sound or style thrilling Lindsey all that much, if at all. I'm sure he'd just as soon listen to Beck or White Stripes. Remember, this is a guy who really loves Laurie Anderson -- his head's in a different place from Stevie's. When Stevie utters the word "experimental" in interviews, she sort of spits it out. She's very much a mainstream pop-rock fan (like her enormous fan base), & doesn't seem to really care whether there's a dobro or a balalaika on her song. She just wants the feel to come through directly.

I don't think Lindsey thought Christine's 1984 album was a work of art, either. He probably thought the tracks exhibited solid songcraft (typical of Christine) & competent, no-nonsense performance, but otherwise I can't imagine him finding much personal vision in any of it. Christine probably really enjoys parts of Lindsey's three albums but other parts (Play in the Rain) must leave her cold with their clinical detachment from ordinary arrangements & their self-consciousness.

I think the one solo project Lindsey probably has the most affection for, aside from his own work, is "The Visitor."

[dissention]

I think maybe dissention was referring to the "naughty" aspects of some of Lindsey's solo tracks... like "Love From Here, Love From There," and "Slow Dancing."

:nod: If she had such a stroke over saying the word "bitch," she must've felt corrupted upon first listen to his solo stuff. :laugh: I mean, his music oozes with sex. And "Wrong" must've made her ears bleed!

[Carolina Girl]

:nod: If she had such a stroke over saying the word "bitch," she must've felt corrupted upon first listen to his solo stuff. :laugh: I mean, his music oozes with sex. And "Wrong" must've made her ears bleed!

She sang along with Lola, and that was way back in their beginnings. :shrug:

[trackaghost]

Stevie Nicks in The Record, February 1982.

"I love Lindsey. I love him very, very much and I wanted Lindsey to make it and I wanted this album to be as successful as...If this album is more successful than my album, I would be so glad. You know, when "Trouble" (the single from Buckingham's LP) came out, I was saying, let it go straight to the top. Because it only makes my life easier when Lindsey is happy. 'Cause when Lindsey is happy, he's really in a good humor and he's wonderful and he and I really get along and we're close. For me, when you love somebody, you want them to be the best."

[David]

Stevie Nicks in The Record, February 1982.

"I love Lindsey. I love him very, very much and I wanted Lindsey to make it and I wanted this album to be as successful as...If this album is more successful than my album, I would be so glad. You know, when "Trouble" (the single from Buckingham's LP) came out, I was saying, let it go straight to the top. Because it only makes my life easier when Lindsey is happy. 'Cause when Lindsey is happy, he's really in a good humor and he's wonderful and he and I really get along and we're close. For me, when you love somebody, you want them to be the best."This is one of the things that drive me nuts about Nicks, & quite possibly one of the reasons that so many people think she's an airhead. She filters her aesthetic responses through an irrelevant prism of psychological or sociological concerns. Her responses are extramusical, the way a child might respond ("I love this movie because it made my mommy laugh"). Her comment above about "Law & Order" is equivalent to my saying that I really love "Say You Will" because my dad works for Reprise & the label needs higher sales this quarter in order for people to keep their jobs.

Then again, some of my pals from this board & elsewhere do essentially the same thing; they'll say, for example, that Bob Welch is their favorite member of Fleetwood Mac because Welch kept the band together through hard times. You kinda go, "Huh?" You wait for an aesthetic response ("His songs are rad," "His guitar-playing is punchy & creative," "He writes puzzling but fascinating lyrics") & the only point they have to make is a sociological one centering on considerations of the band's history.

[wondergirl9847]

You brought up a great point. When I read that quote, I went...well, she spun that quote to be about her. In other words, if Lindsey is happy, then he'll not be on my back about stuff, so we both win. Ooookay. Instead of just saying, I hope that his album does well and he is happy!

I just don't like this quote: "Because it only makes my life easier when Lindsey is happy."

:shrug:

[CarneVaca]

I recall Lindsey calling Christine's and Stevie's solo tours "lounge acts." He was speaking of their performances, of course, but it gives you some insight as to what he really thought of their solo work. If he thought it was stellar, he might not have made that comment.

For that matter, I don't think Christine and Stevie care much about Lindsey's solo work. Suffice it to say that Stevie made some very unflattering comments to an Australian DJ about Lindsey's Tusk songs. If she didn't like those, I can't imagine her liking Law and Order or Go Insane.

[dissention]

This is one of the things that drive me nuts about Nicks, & quite possibly one of the reasons that so many people think she's an airhead. She filters her aesthetic responses through an irrelevant prism of psychological or sociological concerns. Her responses are extramusical, the way a child might respond ("I love this movie because it made my mommy laugh"). Her comment above about "Law & Order" is equivalent to my saying that I really love "Say You Will" because my dad works for Reprise & the label needs higher sales this quarter in order for people to keep their jobs.

Then again, some of my pals from this board & elsewhere do essentially the same thing; they'll say, for example, that Bob Welch is their favorite member of Fleetwood Mac because Welch kept the band together through hard times. You kinda go, "Huh?" You wait for an aesthetic response ("His songs are rad," "His guitar-playing is punchy & creative," "He writes puzzling but fascinating lyrics") & the only point they have to make is a sociological one centering on considerations of the band's history.

:D

I always enjoy your posts, David, and this was no exception. Probably the best one I've read in a real long time.

[dissention]

I recall Lindsey calling Christine's and Stevie's solo tours "lounge acts." He was speaking of their performances, of course, but it gives you some insight as to what he really thought of their solo work. If he thought it was stellar, he might not have made that comment.

For that matter, I don't think Christine and Stevie care much about Lindsey's solo work. Suffice it to say that Stevie made some very unflattering comments to an Australian DJ about Lindsey's Tusk songs. If she didn't like those, I can't imagine her liking Law and Order or Go Insane.

Taking into consideration that Stevie's and Christine's solo work was as mainstream as possible, it's not hard to imagine that he didn't exactly like their stuff. He's always said that he thinks Stevie writes amazing lyrics, but the musician in him probably looks at her solo stuff and thinks 'This is unlistenable.' I always thought that Lindsey tried to infuse his quirkiness into Stevie's and Chris' music, so it must've been boring for him to listen to just average, mainstream rock pop.

On the other hand, you have those two who purposely went after the homogenized pop rock sound and probably looked at Lindsey's solo work as, simply put, weird ****. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that either Stevie or Chris said on first listen to Law and Order "He's not pulling that **** with MY songs." :laugh:

[AliP]

I recall Lindsey calling Christine's and Stevie's solo tours "lounge acts." He was speaking of their performances, of course, but it gives you some insight as to what he really thought of their solo work. If he thought it was stellar, he might not have made that comment.

For that matter, I don't think Christine and Stevie care much about Lindsey's solo work. Suffice it to say that Stevie made some very unflattering comments to an Australian DJ about Lindsey's Tusk songs. If she didn't like those, I can't imagine her liking Law and Order or Go Insane.


Lindsey actually said that he considered their performances somewhat like lounge acts because they played alot of FM songs and relied on the FM songs in their performances. Of course, he could have truly meant that he thought all of the performance was loungy and just didn't say it.

[trackaghost]

Lindsey actually said that he considered their performances somewhat like lounge acts because they played alot of FM songs and relied on the FM songs in their performances. Of course, he could have truly meant that he thought all of the performance was loungy and just didn't say it.


That's right, I remember that well. Of course he could have been implying he didn't like their music, but it's easy to take the quote out of context and make it sound like he was having a right old go at Stevie and Chris!

What's ironic about it though, is that when Lindsey put together his "guitar army" and went on the road, he did the exact same thing. He played only one song each from Law And Order and Go Insane, a selection from OOTC (and didn't even include his almost hit Countdown) and then played his greatest Mac hits including The Chain (which shouldn't be performed by anyone but the Mac, in my opinion)! If Lindsey truly wasn't speaking out of jealousy then why didn't he act less like a "lounge act" himself and play more songs from his previous two solo records and keep the Mac stuff down to a minimum? Half his show was Mac material.

Lindsey can be as contrary as Stevie you know. They're as bad as each other!

[CarneVaca]

That's right, I remember that well. Of course he could have been implying he didn't like their music, but it's easy to take the quote out of context and make it sound like he was having a right old go at Stevie and Chris!


Don't give that much credit. I was going from memory, not trying to take it out of context. Even in context, the idea that he would use such a disparaging term speaks volumes of what he thought about them as solo acts.

What's ironic about it though, is that when Lindsey put together his "guitar army" and went on the road, he did the exact same thing. He played only one song each from Law And Order and Go Insane, a selection from OOTC (and didn't even include his almost hit Countdown) and then played his greatest Mac hits including The Chain (which shouldn't be performed by anyone but the Mac, in my opinion)! If Lindsey truly wasn't speaking out of jealousy then why didn't he play more songs from his previous two solo records and keep the Mac stuff down to a minimum? Half his show was Mac material.

While I agree that having more solo songs would have been preferable, can we really expect him to ignore his body of work with Fleetwood Mac? It would have been silly really. Really, the only song that he shouldn't have played was The Chain. His other FM numbers, Save Me a Place, Eyes of the World, Go Your Own Way, I'm So Afraid, Tusk and Big Love, are quintessential Lindsey Buckingham numbers as much as they are Fleetwood Mac, if not more so. Besides, not one of those numbers was done in a Fleetwood Mac way. They all had arrangements considerably different from how they were played with FM, particularly Eyes of the World, Big Love and Save Me a Place.

Can we make the same argument for Stevie and Christine playing their Fleetwood Mac songs? Of course. And perhaps Lindsey regrets ever having said that, but his approach to the songs was considerably different from the way they had been done by FM. It was fresh and interesting.

[GardenStateGirlie]

That's right, I remember that well. Of course he could have been implying he didn't like their music, but it's easy to take the quote out of context and make it sound like he was having a right old go at Stevie and Chris!

What's ironic about it though, is that when Lindsey put together his "guitar army" and went on the road, he did the exact same thing. He played only one song each from Law And Order and Go Insane, a selection from OOTC (and didn't even include his almost hit Countdown) and then played his greatest Mac hits including The Chain (which shouldn't be performed by anyone but the Mac, in my opinion)! If Lindsey truly wasn't speaking out of jealousy then why didn't he play more songs from his previous two solo records and keep the Mac stuff down to a minimum? Half his show was Mac material.

Lindsey can be as contrary as Stevie you know. They're as bad as each other!

Exactly. IMO, it was a totally jealousy issue back then. Stevie can go out and sell millions of records without Fleetwood Mac while he couldn't....he needed to do songs like GYOW and NGBA because if not, people wouldn't know his solo material which is sad but true. That's not to say that Lindsey's solo albums don't contain AMAZING AMAZING songs...they do and I love them. But to the casual Fleetwood Mac fan who happens to hear "oh, Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac is doing a show"...they're not going to know his solo stuff..they're going to want to hear some of the old hits so in order to get people out to see a show, he's going to have to perform those. Stevie didn't need to rely as much on Fleetwood Mac because she had several hits and several songs on the radio. Other than his work with Fleetwood Mac, Trouble, Holiday Road and Dancing Across The USA are the only songs that people would probably know and may not even know were Lindsey. Just a thought.

[Johnny Stew]

This is one of the things that drive me nuts about Nicks, & quite possibly one of the reasons that so many people think she's an airhead. She filters her aesthetic responses through an irrelevant prism of psychological or sociological concerns. Her responses are extramusical, the way a child might respond ("I love this movie because it made my mommy laugh"). Her comment above about "Law & Order" is equivalent to my saying that I really love "Say You Will" because my dad works for Reprise & the label needs higher sales this quarter in order for people to keep their jobs.

Then again, some of my pals from this board & elsewhere do essentially the same thing; they'll say, for example, that Bob Welch is their favorite member of Fleetwood Mac because Welch kept the band together through hard times. You kinda go, "Huh?" You wait for an aesthetic response ("His songs are rad," "His guitar-playing is punchy & creative," "He writes puzzling but fascinating lyrics") & the only point they have to make is a sociological one centering on considerations of the band's history.

I think it's the dichotomy of the head and the heart.
Some people can separate any emotional feelings they have towards music, and look at it completely analytically... they can tell you with amazing clarity, exactly what it is that they appreciate about a song and what it is that they don't.

For others, it's an emotional response. A song elicits feelings in them that they can't necessarily explain... or they have a special attachment to it that goes beyond the music itself. It could be related to the artist, a personal experience, or a whole host of other possibilities.

For myself, I always say that it's the 50% Passionate-Italian in me, that causes me to be so emotionally involved in this music. And then the 25% Practical-English in me, can (sometimes) explain what it is that I think makes the music unique, in a discriminating way.
(The other 25% is Irish, for anyone who cares. :laugh: )

[trackaghost]

While I agree that having more solo songs would have been preferable, can we really expect him to ignore his body of work with Fleetwood Mac? It would have been silly really. Really, the only song that he shouldn't have played was The Chain. His other FM numbers, Save Me a Place, Eyes of the World, Go Your Own Way, I'm So Afraid, Tusk and Big Love, are quintessential Lindsey Buckingham numbers as much as they are Fleetwood Mac, if not more so. Besides, not one of those numbers was done in a Fleetwood Mac way. They all had arrangements considerably different from how they were played with FM, particularly Eyes of the World, Big Love and Save Me a Place.


I agree that Lindsey should play his Fleetwood Mac songs but in light of what he said in the interview about relying too much on Mac material Mr Buckingham was being a hypocrite, that's all I was pointing out. I would also point out that songs like Angel and Rhiannon were changed for Stevie's solo tours too.


Exactly. IMO, it was a totally jealousy issue back then. Stevie can go out and sell millions of records without Fleetwood Mac while he couldn't....he needed to do songs like GYOW and NGBA because if not, people wouldn't know his solo material which is sad but true.

I agree. I love Lindsey's solo stuff and I can't understand why it didn't sell as well as Stevie's but the fact is it didn't and I think Lindsey even admitted it himself (on his Behind The Music if I remember correctly) that he was kinda jealous of Stevie's success! That has to have coloured his words back then.

[sodascouts]

If Lindsey truly wasn't speaking out of jealousy then why didn't he act less like a "lounge act" himself and play more songs from his previous two solo records and keep the Mac stuff down to a minimum? Half his show was Mac material.

Lindsey can be as contrary as Stevie you know. They're as bad as each other!

I was going to extol Lindsey for playing six new songs on his OOTC tour - then I checked out the set list for the 1981 Belladonna tour Lindsey was critcizing. Out of sixteen songs, ELEVEN were brand-new-solo. What the hell was he thinking?!

[rezamatic]

He played only one song each from Law And Order and Go Insane, a selection from OOTC (and didn't even include his almost hit Countdown) and then played his greatest Mac hits including The Chain (which shouldn't be performed by anyone but the Mac, in my opinion)! If Lindsey truly wasn't speaking out of jealousy then why didn't he act less like a "lounge act" himself and play more songs from his previous two solo records and keep the Mac stuff down to a minimum? Half his show was Mac material.



I can totally agree with what was said here, however I also feel that Lindsey's OOTC tour was a special exception. If you remember listening to his opening monologues, he was practically petrified of the crowd ("So as long as no one shouts out GYOW TOO early, I think we'll be okay" [uncomfortable laugh] "No, seriously, thanks for coming..."). I think playing a lot of safe F-Mac tunes was his way of saying 'look, you'll get your money's worth but this IS a solo show and I have a lot more to offer'. Where as Stevie had such a stronger fan base that they weren't there just to see 'the chick from Fleetwood Mac' and she had more wiggle room. Still, I do find his comments a little hypocritical regardless.

I also think that this is why he didn't take a lot from Law & Order or Go Insane. Being uncomfortable around new audiences. "Trouble" was the safe choice, but I just couldn't see his guitar mafia belting out 'I Want You' or 'Bwana' just because his style is/was so different now than the 80's flash--and the audience might not go for it. I bet that if he went on a solo tour this or next year, there'd be a big shift in his selections. Also, I just don't think half of those songs mean as much to him anymore on an emotional level (although I'm sure many could argue this point) as OOTC's selections. His musical tastes have/had changed dramatically since then.

But I still would drop dead if he ever suddenly played "I Want You" live, haha. I used to play that song in the dorms when I woke up. Annoyed the hell out of my roommates. :lol:

[Les]

If Lindsey truly wasn't speaking out of jealousy then why didn't he act less like a "lounge act" himself and play more songs from his previous two solo records and keep the Mac stuff down to a minimum?

He gave a few interviews during the Cradle period where he said he decided it was "silly" not to do a good selection of FM tunes. So I suspect that in the intervening 9 years between when he made the comment and went out on tour himself, he debated and argued with himself and changed his mind. He also, while in FM, talked a lot about how he felt like he wanted his solo work to be markedly different from FM, otherwise he didn't see the point of having a solo career. When he finally left FM, he felt like it wasn't as important to him to make the differentiation anymore because it was all a part of his work and he should represent it all.

I think chalking up anything critical Lindsey ever said about Stevie (or Christine) to pure jealousy, as I've seen suggested over and over and over on The Ledge, isn't really fair. I don't doubt there were jealousies, but sometimes they (all of them) just didn't like what their bandmates did on their own..and hey, sometimes, they changed their minds too. As different as these people all are (which they point out all the time), it seems utterly natural to me that wouldn't totally adore each other's solo work or solo tours.

[GypsySorcerer]

For myself, I always say that it's the 50% Passionate-Italian in me, that causes me to be so emotionally involved in this music. And then the 25% Practical-English in me, can (sometimes) explain what it is that I think makes the music unique, in a discriminating way.
(The other 25% is Irish, for anyone who cares. :laugh: )

Hey, your ethnic make-up is nearly identical to mine, except I have some German thrown in. :)

[trackaghost]

He gave a few interviews during the Cradle period where he said he decided it was "silly" not to do a good selection of FM tunes. So I suspect that in the intervening 9 years between when he made the comment and went out on tour himself, he debated and argued with himself and changed his mind. He also, while in FM, talked a lot about how he felt like he wanted his solo work to be markedly different from FM, otherwise he didn't see the point of having a solo career. When he finally left FM, he felt like it wasn't as important to him to make the differentiation anymore because it was all a part of his work and he should represent it all.

I think chalking up anything critical Lindsey ever said about Stevie (or Christine) to pure jealousy, as I've seen suggested over and over and over on The Ledge, isn't really fair. I don't doubt there were jealousies, but sometimes they (all of them) just didn't like what their bandmates did on their own..and hey, sometimes, they changed their minds too. As different as these people all are (which they point out all the time), it seems utterly natural to me that wouldn't totally adore each other's solo work or solo tours.

You make a good point. Nine years is long enough for anyone to change their mind, plus not being in Fleetwood Mac must have hugely influenced what songs he decided to play.

I will however defend myself, in that, I believe Lindsey's comment about Stevie's and Christine's solo shows being lounge acts did smack of jealousy - as Nancy said, Stevie's show only contained five Mac songs out of sixteen in total. I'm not saying that Lindsey was jealous all the time, but in that instance it came across that way. And, as I said before, let's remember this is something that Lindsey himself has admitted, that he has at times been jealous, and this may well be one of those rare times. Also I can't believe if he had toured with either Law And Order or Go Insane he wouldn't have played any Mac songs at all.

Just my opinion. :)

[EveryHour]

Taking into consideration that Stevie's and Christine's solo work was as mainstream as possible, it's not hard to imagine that he didn't exactly like their stuff. He's always said that he thinks Stevie writes amazing lyrics, but the musician in him probably looks at her solo stuff and thinks 'This is unlistenable.' I always thought that Lindsey tried to infuse his quirkiness into Stevie's and Chris' music, so it must've been boring for him to listen to just average, mainstream rock pop.

On the other hand, you have those two who purposely went after the homogenized pop rock sound and probably looked at Lindsey's solo work as, simply put, weird ****. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that either Stevie or Chris said on first listen to Law and Order "He's not pulling that **** with MY songs." :laugh:

I understand what you're saying, and realize that some of it is being presented as what Lindsey's point of view might be, but I don't think of most of Stevie's solo work as "commercial". Quite the opposite, actually...I think it's quite creative and very reflective of herself. Sure, some of the songs were naturally commercial, but I don't view Stevie as having been too concerned with that I'd say all the way up through OSOTM. Even though she and FM are up against the current state of the record industry, it still surprises me that she is sometimes concerned with commerciality now, as absolutely fuming pissed as she was with TimeSpace when her record company tried to change her to be "more current". I mean, people change their mind about things, but that seemed to just tear her apart. :shrug: And perhaps even with Street Angel...it seems part of the reason she was so angry about the way it turned out was because it did not reflect her creative vision.

[EveryHour]

Stevie Nicks in The Record, February 1982.

"I love Lindsey. I love him very, very much and I wanted Lindsey to make it and I wanted this album to be as successful as...If this album is more successful than my album, I would be so glad. You know, when "Trouble" (the single from Buckingham's LP) came out, I was saying, let it go straight to the top. Because it only makes my life easier when Lindsey is happy. 'Cause when Lindsey is happy, he's really in a good humor and he's wonderful and he and I really get along and we're close. For me, when you love somebody, you want them to be the best."

I find some of the posts regarding this Stevie quote (and her interview responses in general) interesting, but I don't think what she says about Lindsey here needs to be made into a big deal. Stevie is very honest ("too honest" as she always says her mom tells her), much more honest than much of us would have the balls to be in her position. We all have emotions like this, but most of us don't share them with anyone, especially the whole world. We all have certain things where there's a version we tell others and the real reason we keep to ourselves. Stevie just didn't gloss that over here. Also, she was having to convince the band and the world that her solo career was not going to ruin FM, and so went to the extreme to attempt to tone down her success. In other Bella Donna interviews, she talks about Trouble, and it seemes she genuinely liked the song.

When it comes to generally listening to each other's solo work, I'm sure it's impossible for them (especially Lindsey) to not think about what they would have done differently, as any human probably would.

[Les]

I will however defend myself, in that, I believe Lindsey's comment about Stevie's and Christine's solo shows being lounge acts did smack of jealousy - as Nancy said, Stevie's show only contained five Mac songs out of sixteen in total. I'm not saying that Lindsey was jealous all the time, but in that instance it came across that way. And, as I said before, let's remember this is something that Lindsey himself has admitted, that he has at times been jealous, and this may well be one of those rare times. Also I can't believe if he had toured with either Law And Order or Go Insane he wouldn't have played any Mac songs at all.

Fair enough. I just disagree with you. ;)

I'm probably just overly tired of seeing cries of "jealous!" everytime Lindsey said something that wasn't complimentary of his bandmates. They've all got opinions that aren't complimentary about each other and I think that's pretty normal. That's all.

Just a little addition -- after completing both Law & Order and Go Insane, he said he didn't want to tour because he didn't think he had enough solo material that would translate well to stage, and he didn't want to do Mac songs back then to fill out the set. He thought he'd need at least one more solo album before he'd want to try a solo tour.

[EveryHour]

I recall Lindsey calling Christine's and Stevie's solo tours "lounge acts." He was speaking of their performances, of course, but it gives you some insight as to what he really thought of their solo work. If he thought it was stellar, he might not have made that comment.



Maybe it's what you meant by "performance", but if I'm thinking of the same quote, he referred to their shows as "longe acts" because they "relied so heavily on FM songs". This doesn't necessarily imply anything regarding what he thought of their other material. Correct me if you're talking about something else entirely. :)