Soundstage CD Overdubs! You wont believe it!

[mylittledemon]

Hey guys, I work part time at Best Buy and we got the Fleetwood Mac DVD/CD sets in our store already. It was in the back, so I greedily tore open a copy of the CD to listen to it while I was back there.

The audio sounded pretty good, yet, there was something greatly disturbing about Go Your Own Way. During the "middle" solo of the song where Lindsey gets down in the crowd, I expected to hear a barrage of bad notes. You know, because the crowd is banging on the guitar and all. What did they do? They overdubbed it with the part from "The Dance." They took the same riff and just plopped it in there!!

Now at first I thought I was crazy, but I've listened to the Dance so many times I memorized it note for note. AND, I'm a musician so it was easy for me to pick that out. The effects were different on it to give it a "live" feel. But I'm 99% positive its an overdub. How lame. I hope they didn't do that on the actual DVD.

[dissention]

Not surprising. :( I'm sure this whole thing is going to be overdubbed to death, but that's what this band is about: perfection. Even if it makes them look foolish.

Give us a review after you've digested it all!!!! :blob1:

[EnchantedSLN]

During the "middle" solo of the song where Lindsey gets down in the crowd, I expected to hear a barrage of bad notes. You know, because the crowd is banging on the guitar and all.

This may be a silly question, but I thought they turned Lindsey's guitar down/off during that part?

[strandinthewind]

In concert, there are no bad notes when the crowd plays his guitar. But, even so, I am SURE they overdubbed. Weren't they rumored to be in Switzerland do them after Australia?

[mylittledemon]

there are no "bad" notes when the audience plays his guitar?! are ya nuts? When I saw the band live and the front row-ers go to bang on his guitar I wanted to cringe. It was like listening to a 5 year old pick up a guitar for the first time.

Anyways...Eyes of the World was cool for an intro tune. Dreams sounded ok. Stevie's voice was nice. Rhiannon was ok, but sounded very "slow." Big Love didn't sound that great at all...nowhere near as good as "The Dance." Come sounded pretty good. The guitar solo at the end was really long...I'm So Afraid wasnt as good as the Dance either, but hey....Silver Springs and Stand Back sounded nice. Then of course, Landslide, which always sounds nice. Go Your Own Way was alright except for both guitar solos I was disappointed in. I think the "feel" of the songs will be better with the DVD. They didn't translate live very well like "The Dance" did.

[strandinthewind]

Wow - I did not hear them, shows ya what I know :laugh:

[mylittledemon]

What I'm saying is, on the Boston Live DVD that is about to come out, I'm sure the DVD will not be overdubbed. You will probably see Lindsey down in the crowd. BUT for the CD release, which I listened to, they did overdub it. Imagine being a casual fan, and popping the CD in your car, and hearing this barrage of bad picking during that part. Without the "visual" of the DVD you wouldn't know what the hell was going on. Make sense?

[strandinthewind]

I got ya!!!!!! :cool:

[gldstwmn]

This may be a silly question, but I thought they turned Lindsey's guitar down/off during that part?

I thought so too but in Atlanta it was definitely not turned off for the first minute or so and you could definitely hear it. I was surprised.

[flyfirefly]

I don't think overdubbing it makes them foolish---now, the DVD of the front row SITTING DOWN maybe.

I can still hear Stevie's non-existant harmony in some of the stage songs, at the concerts. I could just be making it up inside my head where the harmonies should go as dictated by the albums the songs appeared on, but I can usually distinctly hear that Stevie voice and she's a good ways away from the microphone.

[wondergirl9847]

I just watched it on PBS and had a WTH?! moment during Tusk. I THINK they may have dubbed in the Dance "TUSK!" with Christine in there...but I'm not 100% sure. It sounds exactly like The Dance version to me tho. LOL

There were lots of WTH?! moments in regards to vocals, and Stevie did a break in her voice during....can't remember, was it Landslide (?), anyways, it was WAY cool!!

ISA...brought me to tears and gave me chills, because the solo was WAAAAAYYYY different than I've heard before, it was raw and powerful. Of course, it ALWAYS is, but this one was just....there was something about it. I can't explain it in words, you'll have to see/hear it.

Her scream in GDW...I got CHILLS!! It may have rivaled The Dance!!

Come was AWESOME!!!!!

[DownOnRodeo]

Yeah they definitely were off to do overdubs somewhere after the Australian dates. We got told 'Geneva' by one of the backing band or someone (forget who exactly, as it was Lux who heard it), but in any case Lux thinks that 'Geneva' was a joke.

As for Lindsey's guitar being off for the part where we maul him and his guitar? Yes, I think Neale was playing the lead in that song, with Carlos doing the acoustic, or vice versa. Sure Lindsey's lead guitar levels got boosted up sometimes in the mix, but through MUCH of the concert, it was painfully clear to see from the 3 concerts in which I was standing under him, that (in Australia at least) Lindsey was focusing on the singing and, although trying his best to pretend to play, had a low guitar level in the mix and so got away with awkward, systaltic and usually late flailings at the strings which were most definitely not what were being broadcast around the arena. Carlos and Neale aren't there to add backup support - they're there to play a great deal of the music. Which, after I got over the inital shock, was fine by me ... Lindsey still played many parts after all (highlights for me being the Chain intro, the ISA & Come solos, the intro and breaks between verses for GDW, and of course his trademark - the acoustics like Say Goodbye).

All that said.... for the CD especially - I would much rather have overdubs, as we have 1001 bootlegs of the real thing anyway. I don't know about just copying and pasting the section from the Dance though - that's a bit lame! Although that solo did go off!

[sodascouts]

Lindsey doesn't play the lead? On what songs? :confused:

[diamondsnake]

Yeah they definitely were off to do overdubs somewhere after the Australian dates. We got told 'Geneva' by one of the backing band or someone (forget who exactly, as it was Lux who heard it), but in any case Lux thinks that 'Geneva' was a joke.

As for Lindsey's guitar being off for the part where we maul him and his guitar? Yes, I think Neale was playing the lead in that song, with Carlos doing the acoustic, or vice versa. Sure Lindsey's lead guitar levels got boosted up sometimes in the mix, but through MUCH of the concert, it was painfully clear to see from the 3 concerts in which I was standing under him, that (in Australia at least) Lindsey was focusing on the singing and, although trying his best to pretend to play, had a low guitar level in the mix and so got away with awkward, systaltic and usually late flailings at the strings which were most definitely not what were being broadcast around the arena. Carlos and Neale aren't there to add backup support - they're there to play a great deal of the music. Which, after I got over the inital shock, was fine by me ... Lindsey still played many parts after all (highlights for me being the Chain intro, the ISA & Come solos, the intro and breaks between verses for GDW, and of course his trademark - the acoustics like Say Goodbye).

All that said.... for the CD especially - I would much rather have overdubs, as we have 1001 bootlegs of the real thing anyway. I don't know about just copying and pasting the section from the Dance though - that's a bit lame! Although that solo did go off!
I've always thought Lindsey is not really playing as much guitar as we think, but who knows? If I was him I would just focus on the guitar because his live singing this tour has been pretty bad.

[DownOnRodeo]

If I was him I would just focus on the guitar because his live singing this tour has been pretty bad.

Hence he should be concentrating less on the singing? :confused:

[DownOnRodeo]

Lindsey doesn't play the lead? On what songs? :confused:

Nancy - whenever Lindsey is singing at the mic, there's a good chance that the sound guys drop his sound level and boost those of Carlos and Neale. I spent my second 2 front rows confirming what I disbelievingly saw in the first.

[face of glass]

there are no "bad" notes when the audience plays his guitar?! are ya nuts? When I saw the band live and the front row-ers go to bang on his guitar I wanted to cringe. It was like listening to a 5 year old pick up a guitar for the first time.
I haven't seen this in action myself (I was too far away in my show) but from certain reviews I've gathered the impression that Lindsey frets the chords for the audience; all they have to do is strum. Of course, the quality of their strumming can obviously vary a lot. ;)
All that said.... for the CD especially - I would much rather have overdubs, as we have 1001 bootlegs of the real thing anyway. I don't know about just copying and pasting the section from the Dance though - that's a bit lame!
I agree with you that it is better to have something different. The songs from the 1975-1980 tours and the Dance tour sound different on the bootlegs than on their officially released live album counterparts so I most certainly don't mind this even if it seems like the band is re-recording its stuff for the nth time. Like Johnny Stew is trying to make the best out of the Timespace remixes, I'm trying to make the best out of this too. :cool:
Nancy - whenever Lindsey is singing at the mic, there's a good chance that the sound guys drop his sound level and boost those of Carlos and Neale. I spent my second 2 front rows confirming what I disbelievingly saw in the first.
Further proof that the background players hinder the musicians ambitions. Only John needs no help with his parts and even he is often too low in the mix. :rolleyes:

[dissention]

I don't think overdubbing it makes them foolish---now, the DVD of the front row SITTING DOWN maybe.

I can guarantee that that didn't happen at the September 24th show. It was pandemonium at the front of the stage that night.

[CarneVaca]

Lindsey doesn't play the lead? On what songs? :confused:

That I noticed, he only did not play lead on Stand Back. From my vantage point, I could see everyone on stage except the secret drummer. I often looked at the two backing guitarists to see what they were doing. Usually, they were strumming. I remember specifically looking at them during Go Your Own Way and saw them strumming. The strums add a thick texture to the songs, so thick that in a couple of instances Lindsey's lead guitar was buried.

OK, now this is making sense to me. One of those instances, you see, was during the Go Your Own Way solo. It may be that his guitar is turned down because of the dissonant sounds he gets from the audience members mauling the instrument. If that's the case, it's still silly. If you're going to do it, do it in full glory. The other instance in which his guitar was too low was after the drum solo on World Turning. But as far as the short solos on various songs and the two extended solos -- I'm So Afraid and Come -- that's all Lindsey. On I'm So Afraid, the two backup guitarists are not on stage. On Come, Neal is playing the main riffs during the verses, then I am pretty sure he and Carlos are doing power chords doing the loud, obnoxious parts. There was no trading of leads during the solo that I could tell, not like Lindsey did with This Is the Time in the Cradle tour.

I also noticed that the I Know I'm not Wrong riff (is it a harmonica or an accordian?) is mysteriously heard though no one is playing it. Even Brett is playing guitar on that song. So you have three strummers and Lindsey doing the lead work. The riff is obviously programmed, much like some of the synth sounds on Everywhere in The Dance.

I am curious, though, Joe, when exactly did you think one of the backup guitarists was doing the lead?

[flyfirefly]

I can guarantee that that didn't happen at the September 24th show. It was pandemonium at the front of the stage that night.

Oh no, I know it when it happened. It's been a complaint of mine since the beginning. It just looks ridiculous. That's not what you'll find at an FM concert. :shocked:

[dissention]

Oh no, I know it when it happened. It's been a complaint of mine since the beginning. It just looks ridiculous. That's not what you'll find at an FM concert. :shocked:

Exactly. :nod: Just like with The Dance, the energy didn't blow me away because the crowd was so boring and lethargic. For cripes sake, if they had fans there, there would've been a riot. :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

Yeah, I watched it going, "Get off yer butts!!!" Insane. :mad:

I think Lindsey's voice is strong and powerful this tour. Sure, he's had some off notes, nights, but everyone does. Listening to Say Goodbye back in England, I was mesmerized by that man's voice, it was so flawless. :)

BTW, I'm listening to this WBWC FM thing and WOW, they are playing the Mirage version of Not That Funny...ON THE RADIO!!!!!!! They rule!!!!!

[face of glass]

I also noticed that the I Know I'm not Wrong riff (is it a harmonica or an accordian?) is mysteriously heard though no one is playing it. Even Brett is playing guitar on that song. So you have three strummers and Lindsey doing the lead work. The riff is obviously programmed, much like some of the synth sounds on Everywhere in The Dance.
Yeah, the soundman is probably responsible for it. And from the bootlegs I've assumed that some of the harmonies (that come from the cd version, not the LP version) are programmed as well. Brett Tuggle did mention in his current Q&A that "Red Rover" has similar procedure too.

[strandinthewind]

BTW - there are at least two more "musicians" under the stage playing synth. I have seen them and that is what they looked like they were doing.

[Livia]

BTW - there are at least two more "musicians" under the stage playing synth. I have seen them and that is what they looked like they were doing.

I took a pic of them in Champaign - while they were playing the horns during Tusk, among other things! LOL I still need to use up that roll of film, will post 'em after I get 'em developed. :p

[AliceLover]

You guys I was there,

Ok, In that middle part yes he goes down to the audience but he does NOT let them play the guitar. He just sits on the little ledge right in front of the fans. Then at the end he lets them play.

Jimmy

[estranged4life]

Yeah, the soundman is probably responsible for it. And from the bootlegs I've assumed that some of the harmonies (that come from the cd version, not the LP version) are programmed as well. Brett Tuggle did mention in his current Q&A that "Red Rover" has similar procedure too.

bootleg (The ALD/IEM version) without a doubt, Proves that some background vocals were programmed in...It's very obvious on "Peacekeeper".

About Lindsey not playing...Just watch any of the SYW tour bootlegs on VHS/DVD and you can see a few times through each show were he is concentrating on the vocals more than the guitar and Neal & Carlos are there picking up the slack.

Brian j.

[CarneVaca]

BTW - there are at least two more "musicians" under the stage playing synth. I have seen them and that is what they looked like they were doing.

Strandie, do you mean in addition to the secret drummer?

[face of glass]

BTW - there are at least two more "musicians" under the stage playing synth. I have seen them and that is what they looked like they were doing.
And Mick doesn't feel the need to introduce them? I guess a soundman does a lot more nowadays than in the days of yore.

[CarneVaca]

I took a pic of them in Champaign - while they were playing the horns during Tusk, among other things! LOL I still need to use up that roll of film, will post 'em after I get 'em developed. :p

This makes sense. Because it definitely sounded to me like there were far more sounds coming out of that stage than the dinky keyboard and the guitar strums. It sounded considerably fuller than during The Dance tour.

I stil remember the Cradle tour as having the best version of Tusk, outside the two shows with the USC band.

[CarneVaca]

bootleg (The ALD/IEM version) without a doubt, Proves that some background vocals were programmed in...It's very obvious on "Peacekeeper".

About Lindsey not playing...Just watch any of the SYW tour bootlegs on VHS/DVD and you can see a few times through each show were he is concentrating on the vocals more than the guitar and Neal & Carlos are there picking up the slack.

Brian j.


What's ALD/IEM?

This debate on how much Lindsey is playing is interesting to me. I don't know if he did anything differently from usual at Jones Beach, considering how far he was from the audience, but it seemed to me the pawing of the guitar by the audience happened only once and it was very brief.

As far as what he plays when singing, I really didn't notice any difference from previous tours. For instance, when you watch the Mirage video, his playing is pretty minimalistic when he is singing. This is quite common actually, because playing leads and riffs while singing is incredibly difficult, and seriously, I marvel at people like Lindsey who can actually pull it off.

As I said, I often looked back to the backup guitarists and the only times I noticed they were doing something more elaborate than chords and occasional riffs were during Stand Back, Come and Peacekeeper. Now, whenever there's one of those short solos that Lindsey likes to tuck in at the ends of songs, such as in IKINW and Peacekeeper, Lindsey was definitely playing those.

[estranged4life]

What's ALD/IEM?

This debate on how much Lindsey is playing is interesting to me. I don't know if he did anything differently from usual at Jones Beach, considering how far he was from the audience, but it seemed to me the pawing of the guitar by the audience happened only once and it was very brief.

As far as what he plays when singing, I really didn't notice any difference from previous tours. For instance, when you watch the Mirage video, his playing is pretty minimalistic when he is singing. This is quite common actually, because playing leads and riffs while singing is incredibly difficult, and seriously, I marvel at people like Lindsey who can actually pull it off.


Assisted Listening Device (ALD)-is a low level Mono F.M. signal that arena's broadcast rom an inhouse transmitter to a receiver that an audience member (With a hearing disability/hearing loss) can wear to hear an amplified raw feed coming from the PA output/BAND's monitors that is minus the crowd noise. Most all of the newer arena's carry this system (ie-Oklahoma CIty's "The Ford Center") and rent the receiver to those fans that are in need of it.

In Ear Monitor (IEM)-is the newest type of monitor that a band member uses compare to the ol' "on stage monitors". It makes it easier to hear one-selves in the output/PA mix with an IEM.

[seteca]

I can tell you the following with 100% certainty:

- During the "middle solo" of Go Your Own Way, the level of LB's guitar is not lowered at all from desk. What happens is exactly what Gaius suggested above, which is that Lindsey plays a riff, then holds the full chord at the end of that riff and lets the audience pick at some of the strings. Because he's holding the full correct chord, it's impossible for anybody to pick a bad note no matter how enthusiastically they pick at the strings. However, the reason why the resulting sound is a bit of a mess is not because people are hitting bad notes, but because there are many people hitting the same strings at the same time, so 90% of the attack is muted out by the person who hit that string 100th of second after you. The result is a flood of muted notes, but the odd note that does manage to get out, does sound right. (You can re-create this effect on any guitar easily: just palm mute over the bridge and start picking manically at the strings.)

- On most songs, LB uses the cleaner channel of the Mesa/Boogie amp, and uses the SD-1 overdrive pedal to give him the necessary sound-change for the solos of songs like GYOW and Come. His guitar IS "on" during the rhythm parts of these songs and he IS playing, but firstly the channel is clean (and so less harsh), and secondly as anyone who's ever played through a valve amp knows, the harder you play, the louder/more distorted the sound is (and by definition you shouldn't play hard during rhythm parts). For ISA, Ray Lindsey switches the amp to the overdrive channel (you will notice the green light in front of Lindsey switch to red, and anybody standing in the front on Lindsey's side will notice that suddenly the sound becomes a lot more harsh and painful on the ears) and LB plays through this channel for the whole song. Because it's a very loud/thick sound (i.e. the typical "solo" sound), you can see that he's hardly putting any pressure on the strings when he's playing the rhythm chords during the verses (only on The Dance) and chorus. For the solo he turns on the delay with the DD-3 pedal.

- LB plays all the lead parts for all the songs with two exceptions: firstly, after he's pretty much finished the end solo of GYOW and he's going crazy doing the guitar slapping routine/hitting Mick's cymbals with the guitar etc, it's Neale Heywood playing the "famous GYOW ending riff" over and over again at quite a low level (and the sound of Neale's strat is distinctively different from the M1). For the very last repeat, LB turns the volume on his guitar back up and plays it, and you can clearly hear the change in tone for that very last bar - the roar of the M1 is unique!
Secondly, on Stand Back, LB's guitar is on, and if you look at his left hand he is playing the correct chords, but the level of his guitar is reduced to an almost inaudible one by the mixing desk, as Neale and Carlos are playing the lead and rhythm. LB could not be there and for all musical intents and purposes it would not make a difference to that song.

[skcin]

bootleg (The ALD/IEM version) without a doubt, Proves that some background vocals were programmed in...It's very obvious on "Peacekeeper".

Brian j.


I remember when you first sent this one to me, Brian. I was so excited to have a Buffalo show, and it's ALD!

I had the stereo blaring, loving life. Then Peacekeeper came on - WTF? Those creepy computer voices scared the sh*t out of me - actually, they still do & I skip this track whenever I listen to this boot.

The background "oooooooohs" on Say Goodbye are programmed in too, but it's not nearly as noticeable as on Peacekeeper.

paula

[dissention]

You guys I was there,

Ok, In that middle part yes he goes down to the audience but he does NOT let them play the guitar. He just sits on the little ledge right in front of the fans. Then at the end he lets them play.

Jimmy

I played his guitar. :shrug: He went down on the little ledge on his side of the stage, then got up and walked to Stevie's side and let that part of the audience play.

[estranged4life]

I remember when you first sent this one to me, Brian. I was so excited to have a Buffalo show, and it's ALD!

I had the stereo blaring, loving life. Then Peacekeeper came on - WTF? Those creepy computer voices scared the sh*t out of me - actually, they still do & I skip this track whenever I listen to this boot.

The background "oooooooohs" on Say Goodbye are programmed in too, but it's not nearly as noticeable as on Peacekeeper.

paula

listened to "Peacekeeper" from the Buffalo ALD recording it bothered me because it sounded like either someone was way off key or their vocals went flat.

Yes, The background "ooooohs" on "Say Goodbye" are also very noticeable, But not as extreme as the b/g on "Peacekeeper".

Sometimes I wonder what Linds' reaction would be if someone pulled out some wire cutters/pliers during his nightly "audience participation" during GYOW and cut his strings :laugh:

Brian "Vai? Are you hearin' me?" j.

[dissention]

I had the stereo blaring, loving life. Then Peacekeeper came on - WTF? Those creepy computer voices scared the sh*t out of me - actually, they still do & I skip this track whenever I listen to this boot.

I know!! It's incredibly freaky. :lol:

[seteca]

Sometimes I wonder what Linds' reaction would be if someone pulled out some wire cutters/pliers during his nightly "audience participation" during GYOW and cut his strings :laugh:


Haha...Well that would be pretty nuts, but some idiot did something just as stupid during the 29/11 Earls Court show: during the main solo at the end of GYOW when he knelt down to play to the audience on Stevie's side, some jackass thought it would be funny to pull the cable out of the guitar. If you listen to the bootleg of this show it's very evident: the solo suddenly mutes for about 5 or 10 seconds, then he realises, puts the cable back into the guitar and being the trooper that he is carried on playing to the audience in that position. (If that happened to me, my temper would certainly have got the better of me; kudos to LB for keeping calm.)

[chiliD]

Sometimes I wonder what Linds' reaction would be if someone pulled out some wire cutters/pliers during his nightly "audience participation" during GYOW and cut his strings :laugh:

Probably would just turn and signal Ray Lindsey to bring out another guitar. And, Ray would probably have more of a problem with that since HE would have to be the one to restring the guitar! ;) :lol:

[estranged4life]

Probably would just turn and signal Ray Lindsey to bring out another guitar. And, Ray would probably have more of a problem with that since HE would have to be the one to restring the guitar! ;) :lol:

Ray could always suffer what Paul McCartney's tech did when Paul chunked one of his Hoffner basses (I counted 6 of 'em in the cases on his tech's side of the stage) high in the air and it did not reach the tech's hand and made a horrendous THUD and pieces went everywhere...Thus being the butt of the joke the next night, Where Paul walked all the way across the stage and gently laid the Hoffner in his tech's hand but only after teasing him by trying to intentionally trip and drop the bass :laugh:

[Cour]

I've always thought Lindsey is not really playing as much guitar as we think, but who knows? If I was him I would just focus on the guitar because his live singing this tour has been pretty bad.

Really? So should he shut up for the whole concert and fill the time with Stevie songs....or just bring in someone else to do his vocals? :shrug: Maybe he can get a gig on Stevie's next solo tour as one of her guitar players.

[Johnny Stew]

Ok, In that middle part yes he goes down to the audience but he does NOT let them play the guitar. He just sits on the little ledge right in front of the fans. Then at the end he lets them play.

I played his guitar. :shrug: He went down on the little ledge on his side of the stage, then got up and walked to Stevie's side and let that part of the audience play.

I think you and Jimmy are talking about two different sections of the song. But I could be wrong. :)

[macko814]

I was up against the stage for the Boston taping and I am 100% sure I heard the Rumours "...Yeah!" during the chorus. I was at the Hartford show this week and did not notice, but that could have been because I was on the lawn very far from the speakers.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

OK, now this is making sense to me. One of those instances, you see, was during the Go Your Own Way solo. It may be that his guitar is turned down because of the dissonant sounds he gets from the audience members mauling the instrument. If that's the case, it's still silly. If you're going to do it, do it in full glory. The other instance in which his guitar was too low was after the drum solo on World Turning. But as far as the short solos on various songs and the two extended solos -- I'm So Afraid and Come -- that's all Lindsey. On I'm So Afraid, the two backup guitarists are not on stage. On Come, Neal is playing the main riffs during the verses, then I am pretty sure he and Carlos are doing power chords doing the loud, obnoxious parts. There was no trading of leads during the solo that I could tell, not like Lindsey did with This Is the Time in the Cradle tour.


I also think it depends on the the venue, and as we know sound varies night to night...some nights, based on the bootleg videos I have you can hear the crowd playing the guitar VERY LOUDLY...and just sounds like a bunch of kids kinda banging on a plugged in guitar...sometimes not so much...in Jacksonville I had my ear right to a speaker, which was odd, I got to hear things in the mix I hadn't heard before....like the samples from the SAY YOU WILL CD they dub in...also when i had the great pleasure of playing Lindsey's guitar, everytime I would pluck a string, I could hear the (probably horrible) noise that I made in the speaker that was in my right ear...so It's definetely on, I think he just turns it down so sometimes it gets buried in the mix

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I also disagree that his live singing on this tour is "bad," I happen to think he sounds the best on this tour than any other tour...He didn't sound that good on the Mirage tour, except for maybe the Dance tour which was more polished, he sounds great on this tour to me

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I took a pic of them in Champaign - while they were playing the horns during Tusk, among other things! LOL I still need to use up that roll of film, will post 'em after I get 'em developed. :p


Wonder why they would play horns? Many have said the horns in Dont Stop are sampled in
Curious now...

Chris

[AliceLover]

I played his guitar. :shrug: He went down on the little ledge on his side of the stage, then got up and walked to Stevie's side and let that part of the audience play.



IN THE MIDDLE PART!!!

[jmn3]

I also disagree that his live singing on this tour is "bad," I happen to think he sounds the best on this tour than any other tour...He didn't sound that good on the Mirage tour, except for maybe the Dance tour which was more polished, he sounds great on this tour to me
Chris

I'll agree that on The Dance CD, Lindsey sounded great and was very polished, but listen to some boots...on the tour as a whole, he was a bit rough (not that there's anything wrong with that). I think they cancelled a Canadian date that tour due to him having bronchitis, so I'm sure this had some effect on his singing voice.

[Cour]

IN THE MIDDLE PART!!!


Umm, unless all of the arenas or sheds you were in were different, it's almost always in the area to the right of his own mic and then he gets up and goes over to the other side to the left of Stevie's mic and people get to play his guitar on both sides of the stage. There are a lot of pictures from this tour taken while fans are playing his guitar. It's become something of a stampede to get to that little opening.

He only has the audience playing his guitar during those times and only during GYOW.

[teedee]

I don't think overdubbing it makes them foolish---now, the DVD of the front row SITTING DOWN maybe.

I can still hear Stevie's non-existant harmony in some of the stage songs, at the concerts. I could just be making it up inside my head where the harmonies should go as dictated by the albums the songs appeared on, but I can usually distinctly hear that Stevie voice and she's a good ways away from the microphone.


I wAS at the BOston shows, and i can assure you that no one was sitting down in the front rows, the crowd, as always in Boston, was very lively and crazy. lindsey even said it himself, "you sound like a full house tonight". Now we know we wont hear him say that in the DVD, of course the DVD is going to be edited , there were one or two quick breaks the band took that night, The concert that night was for close ups for the band and they had an audience so people would see it was actually live. Im sure they took parts from that night and the next boston night . When i recently went to see them again, when linds lets the crowd play his guitar, its definately turned on, i noticed that he let them strum while he had his fingers in place , then he pulled away to play his part and then let them strum again . so you could see he was still playing live, maybe carlos was backing him up but he was still playing his guitar. As for them fixing it for CD, That makes sense to me, why have something that doesnt sound good! they certainly must edit, but in that song, its better they just fixed that part, than omitting the song all together.

[DownOnRodeo]

Seteca, where you say how Carlos or Neale is playing the GYOW riff on his guitar at the end at a lower level - OK yes, but he plays that the whole way through. I've been saying that Lindsey's is at a lower level - maybe I meant the reverse. When I was front row I could hear Lindsey's guitar *all* the time as the loudest thing because it was physically close, amplification regardless. But the time I was at the very back of the arena, everything sounded disturbingly perfect and the mixing in and out of the volume levels of instrument/vocal parts was pronounced. Hmm this is all interesting... we'll piece it together eventually. ;)