Stevie's health and smoking ???

[AliP]

Sorry if this has been discussed already, but I read a review a week or so ago where a fan saw Stevie smoking during sound check. Don't know if it was a cigarette or some other little thing :D but if she is smoking again even if only once in a while, I can't help but feel disappointed. I have several interviews where she goes off for about 10 minutes about how quitting smoking was the smartest thing she has ever done etc.

I guess I'm just one of those people who gets extremely disappointed in people when they do something good for themselves and then after awhile go back to their old ways :shrug: Also makes me wonder, that if she is smoking again, this can't be good for her swollen vocal chords or whatever is ailing her at the moment.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Sorry if this has been discussed already, but I read a review a week or so ago where a fan saw Stevie smoking during sound check. Don't know if it was a cigarette or some other little thing :D but if she is smoking again even if only once in a while, I can't help but feel disappointed. I have several interviews where she goes off for about 10 minutes about how quitting smoking was the smartest thing she has ever done etc.

I guess I'm just one of those people who gets extremely disappointed in people when they do something good for themselves and then after awhile go back to their old ways :shrug: Also makes me wonder, that if she is smoking again, this can't be good for her swollen vocal chords or whatever is ailing her at the moment.

That was in Atlanta If memory serves. I remember people running up to our group saying Stevie was smoking...not in the best interests of someone who suffers from bad cases of asthma quite often as she does. If she is currently battling swollen vocal chords (and they really aren't pleasant...from first hand experience I say this), i'm sure she's not smoking at the moment. They probably have her on a steroid inhaler so it's more comfortable for her to perform and ten to one she has been doing steam treatments a few times daily. If she's doing this and minding her throat while she isn't singing, her range should start to come back in five to ten days and her vocal chords will heal themselves automatically and she should be fine. Frankly, i'd rather she smoked a joint than a cigarette.

[Merf]

Frankly, i'd rather she smoked a joint than a cigarette.

Isn't smoking a joint the equivilent of like ten cigarettes?

Anywho, IMO, she shouldn't be smoking at all. I am a smoker myself, so of course I'm not going to chastise her, but someone with her asthma problems, swollen vocal cords, and the fact that she sings for a living, should NOT be smoking at all.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Isn't smoking a joint the equivilent of like ten cigarettes?

Anywho, IMO, she shouldn't be smoking at all. I am a smoker myself, so of course I'm not going to chastise her, but someone with her asthma problems, swollen vocal cords, and the fact that she sings for a living, should NOT be smoking at all.

No, you're right, she shouldn't but the fact is that she does. With all of the bad habits she's had in the past, even though this one is incredibly harmful, I look at it this way...she could be doing something else and i'm very glad that part of her life is behind her.

[sparky]

GOOD GOD IN A SIDE CART.

I certainly hope this isn't true. Smoking is the single most idiotic thing a singer can do. It shaves the top off your vocal range, it roughens the sound of your voice, it minimizes the air you have to power your voice. As much as incorrectly singing, this is THE reason Stevie lost her upper range in the first place. If she is smoking again....well, it's her voice. Her choice. Her career. The very thought of it makes me wanna puke. Why not just gargle with Drano ?

[Street Angel]

Sorry but I can totally understand it if she IS smoking again indeed. Undoubtedly it's only the best intentions of some of you to say that she shouldn't harm her health, her voice etc., but it's definitely much easier said than done. It is an addiction and even if you manage to stay away from it for days/weeks/years, sometimes there is a little "spark" that makes you want to smoke another one. And there is no contradiction in being completely enthusiastic about having quit and telling it to the world and then months later suddenly smoking another cigarette.

I am currently trying to get rid of smoking once and for all (and God knows how many times I've tried already without any permanent success) and if you've experienced it as well you KNOW that your "inner voice of craving" can be very creative to give you good reasons to smoke just ONE MORE cigarette (as if there were any :rolleyes: ) and how that "voice" can push away ANY rational thoughts, no matter how good these arguments against smoking are. Going by my own experience as a smoker, I know what a fool I am when I light another one and yet I do it. (Nicotine can be a very powerful substance, and like Allen Carr put it correctly it's like some sort of brainwash when it comes to your habit)

I hope I don't sound too harsh or like a preacher man etc. in this post (this is definitely not my intention!) but apparently some of you haven't experienced that for yourselves - and be glad that you haven't! Put yourself in her place before judging her... Stevie isn't a careless or stupid person (I know none of you said that, but especially to you non-smokers some of us must give you that impression! :laugh: ) just because she couldn't resist the temptation - she certainly KNOWS what consequences smoking can cause but like I said before it's easy to say "You're a fool, stop smoking because it's not good for you" when you're not addicted and you don't go through that "conflict" yourself, especially when you try to stay absent from it. :) (And BTW, congratulations to everyone who got rid of smoking without the problems I described above - I suppose I'm a more difficult case! :laugh: )

[TwistedGypsy]

Yes me and Steph saw her smoking in Atlanta. But remember Atlanta was the last place she performed SS. Which I guess caused her swollen vocal chords. So my assumption is that she is not smoking now.
I also heard that one joint equals like 3 cigs. So if she is having one every once in a while then so be it. If I was about to go on stage in front of thousands of people I'd be doing the same thing.
Brit

[GardenStateGirlie]

I think it's more the fact that she's around a myriad of people who continue to smoke. John smokes...probably a large percentage of the roadies smoke... if you're around it all the time and you're trying to not smoke, I can see where the temptation would be there to pick up a cigarette now and then.

[StevieRox2]

The Poor thing - think of all the stress and pressure she's under. As I former daily smoker, I can well understand the urge to have one every now and again, and if she does, she does. I can also understand her wanting to light up a j before a show to help with her stage fright. No big deal IMHO. :angel:

[strandinthewind]

Well, pot is a harsher smoke inhalation because unlike a cig., a joint has no filter. But, the chemical additives and the chemicals in the filter of a cog. are far worse for you than pot, which is natural, etc. In any event, both are not that great for the voice. Also, the fact that Stevie is 56 tommorow probably has a lot to do with it. Everyone's singing voice lowers with time whether they smoke or not :)

[darklinensuit]

Everyone's singing voice lowers with time whether they smoke or not :)

Not Jacko's. :rolleyes:

- Jake

[gldstwmn]

Frankly, i'd rather she smoked a joint than a cigarette.

There are far more carcinogens in a joint than a cigarette. Just sayin'. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

I guess I'm just one of those people who gets extremely disappointed in people when they do something good for themselves and then after awhile go back to their old ways :shrug: Also makes me wonder, that if she is smoking again, this can't be good for her swollen vocal chords or whatever is ailing her at the moment.

I'll go as far as to say it doesn't just disappoint me, it pisses me off. :mad:

[Sarah]

I've smoked enough cigarettes and pot to be able to comment on this, I think.

Yeah, smoking pot might be a harsher inhalation because you hold it purposely.. but I'll go on record as saying that I'd prefer to see her smoke weed over cigarettes. There are fewer chemicals in pot, it stinks less, and at least you get high off of it. Blah blah blah about the equivalent of cigarettes and carcinogens.. sorry, but comparable amounts of tobacco and weed have around the same amount of carcinogens. And don't forget that menthols have fiberglass and all that extra ****.

And you gotta think about it from a real perspective, not from a "drugs are bad" perspective - someone who is hooked on cigarettes is gonna smoke more cigarettes than someone who smokes weed will smokes joints. (Sorry, that sentence was hard to phrase.)

[estranged4life]

that she is smoking while being diagnosed with Epstein/Barr syndrome...

That cannot be healthy in the least (I know for a fact it isnt healthy because my wife Debbie suffers from Epstein/Barr which possibly contributed to her current diagnosis with Hodgkin's Lymphoma, aka Cancer of the lymph nodes/system. Debbie's Dr's said Epstein/Barr definitely can drain your immune system, And if she hadnt quit smoking several years back her current bout with this cancer could have been more severe than it is.)

[StevieRox2]

I know it sounds crazy, but air conditioning makes me lose my voice and gives me a sore throat, and here I am, the day before Stevie's Birthday concert and can hardly talk, I won't be able to talk tomorrow at Nissan for sure! I always say, "smoke 'em if you got 'em". :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Also, the fact that Stevie is 56 tommorow probably has a lot to do with it. Everyone's singing voice lowers with time whether they smoke or not :)

C'mon!

If Stevie is smoking again, and this is all speculation on our part (none of us really know whether she is or isn't), she's being stupid. Not only that, but irresponsible, too. For someone who has had so many vocal problems thorughout the years, it boggles my mind that they would go back to one of those very problems that caused their voice to worsen.

She killed her voice in the seventies and eighties because she didn't know how to sing. She didn't have a clue and she tore her voice to shreds. Couple that with constant cocaine use. Then add a pack of cigarettes to that mix each and every day. It's no wonder that her voice is so low nowadays and not as flexible as it once was. No one's singing voice will ever get that low simply because they're getting older; it'll get that way if you don't take care of it as you're getting older. And Stevie never did take care of it. Inhaling steam and moisture before you go out onstage will help you get through the first song, nothing more. Same with cough drops; they don't work once they melt. Lord help her if she had the air conditioning on in the venues she performed at, that's death to a singer. She should've been practical when it came to the instrument that made her the steak: her voice. Swallow olive oil, drink orange juice, eat spinach, sing with your diaphragm and not your throat, etc. And no matter how many vocal exercises our gal does, if she's still puffing little sticks of suicide, none of them will help.

Of course, all of this smoking business is speculation, anyways. :laugh: End rant.

[dissention]

I know it sounds crazy, but air conditioning makes me lose my voice and gives me a sore throat, and here I am, the day before Stevie's Birthday concert and can hardly talk, I won't be able to talk tomorrow at Nissan for sure! I always say, "smoke 'em if you got 'em". :thumbsup:

That's because cold air dries out your vocal chords. :)

[estranged4life]

I know it sounds crazy, but air conditioning makes me lose my voice and gives me a sore throat, and here I am, the day before Stevie's Birthday concert and can hardly talk, I won't be able to talk tomorrow at Nissan for sure! I always say, "smoke 'em if you got 'em". :thumbsup:

I suffer the same thing when I am driving, My car's AC fries my throat (Which is fried already and tomorrow I get to FINALLY know what the cause of it is...Yeah, I am VERY nervous)

[dissention]

that she is smoking while being diagnosed with Epstein/Barr syndrome...

That cannot be healthy in the least (I know for a fact it isnt healthy because my wife Debbie suffers from Epstein/Barr which possibly contributed to her current diagnosis with Hodgkin's Lymphoma, aka Cancer of the lymph nodes/system. Debbie's Dr's said Epstein/Barr definitely can drain your immune system, And if she hadnt quit smoking several years back her current bout with this cancer could have been more severe than it is.)

That's awful, Brian. I suffered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for ages and I know the pure hell it is to feel that way. Epstein Barr and CFS are usually brought upon by throat infections and bacteria that lingers down into your body, so I suspect that's probably why Debbie's doctor said it was a good thing that she had stopped smoking! :nod:

EDIT: I forgot you were having your throat checked out! I hope I didn't set off any alarms! :laugh:

[estranged4life]

That's awful, Brian. I suffered from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for ages and I know the pure hell it is to feel that way. Epstein Barr and CFS are usually brought upon by throat infections and bacteria that lingers down into your body, so I suspect that's probably why Debbie's doctor said it was a good thing that she had stopped smoking! :nod:

EDIT: I forgot you were having your throat checked out! I hope I didn't set off any alarms! :laugh:

it will take alot to set my alarms off, Unless a 50-something blonde witch happens to pass by :laugh:

[dissention]

it will take alot to set my alarms off, Unless a 50-something blonde witch happens to pass by :laugh:

:lol:

Reminds me of that Prince concert you told us about. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Please do not flame me for this, but I know more than one professional singer (ages 20 to late 50's) who can still powerhouse vocal despite chain smoking :laugh:

But, ITA agree smoking cigs. is not great for you, blah, blah, blah - but singing every other night and frequent exposure to different climate changes is IMO worse for the sort term effect on the cords. Plus and again, no singer I know at age 56 can consistently sing in the same high octave(s) they used to be able to sing in their 20's. Think about Babs, who rarely tours and compare the above middle C "People" to the current way below middle C "People" she is singing these days.

Anyway, no one should smoke period.

[StevieRox2]

I suffer the same thing when I am driving, My car's AC fries my throat (Which is fried already and tomorrow I get to FINALLY know what the cause of it is...Yeah, I am VERY nervous)
I Hope that all turns out a-okay for you!

I thought I was an idiot when I put two and two together about the A/C - glad to hear I wasn't going crazy after all!

[strandinthewind]

Many singers, esp. in opera, insist that no AC be used during rehearsal, much to the chagrin of the sweating orchestra :laugh:

[dissention]

Please do not flame me for this, but I know more than one professional singer (ages 20 to late 50's) who can still powerhouse vocal despite chain smoking :laugh:

But, ITA agree smoking cigs. is not great for you, blah, blah, blah - but singing every other night and frequent exposure to different climate changes is IMO worse for the sort term effect on the cords. Plus and again, no singer I know at age 56 can consistently sing in the same high octave(s) they used to be able to sing in their 20's. Think about Babs, who rarely tours and compare the above middle C "People" to the current way below middle C "People" she is singing these days.

Anyway, no one should smoke period.

No flaming from me, doll. I didn't say that smoking was the one thing that caused Stevie's voice to degrade so much. I said that it was a great combination of smoking, drugs (not to mention alcohol!!!), and misuse of her voice. Combine all those things and it's no surpise at all. Plus, the hole in her nose and the asthma. You can tour all across the country for a year and still be in perfect vocal form as long as you take care of yourself. Stevie never really did that. She'd go onstage no matter what, even when she was sick and look how her voice has changed. Now, I love her deeper voice more than her high voice, but all the damage she has done to her vocal chords has resulted in not having much of a range at all and they get worn out much easier. You simply cannot defend her voice by saying that it has been a natural thing; it hasn't. It's the result of irresponsibility. There's a way to take care of your voice and there is a way to screw it up; Stevie has taken the latter road more than the former. All of her illnesses can be traced back to the misuse of her voice, too.

And I know plenty of singers in their fifties who can sing in the same octaves as they did when they were in their twenties. Cyndi Lauper and Patti Labelle come to mind. ;) To be honest, their voices have improved with age.

[strandinthewind]

Patti L. is an anamoly in more than one way :laugh: She abused herself with booze, etc. (she no longer drinks) and her voice, although no longer youthful, to our great fortune, emerged unscathed!!!!!! :cool:

[darklinensuit]

I called my friend Whitney and she said "Stevie ain't poor, she doesn't need to do tobacc, tobacc is whack!" ;)

- Jake

[estranged4life]

hopefully Stevie will be on the mend now that the show tomorrow night has been officially cancelled and will not be rescheduled...

[dissention]

Patti L. is an anamoly in more than one way :laugh: She abused herself with booze, etc. (she no longer drinks) and her voice, although no longer youthful, to our great fortune, emerged unscathed!!!!!! :cool:

I agree, but she had the sense to at least take care of her voice. If she hadn't, she wouldn't be the powerhouse she is today. :D

So, I'm just saying that if Stevie is smoking, it's irresponsible and rather shocking. And if she gets sick and can't sing a certain song, tough tacos, she has no one to blame for herself. :lol:

[dissention]

hopefully Stevie will be on the mend now that the show tomorrow night has been officially cancelled and will not be rescheduled...

That sucks. :(

I think we should have a fundraiser to buy her the patch. Or, at the very least, a Nicotrol Inhaler. I say we should throw 'em up during Sara.

"Stevie, you're the poet in our hearts
Never smoke
And don't you ever cough"

[StevieRox2]

Whatever the hell is going on, they just cancelled Bristow, tomorrow night, Stevie's birthday and the venue will NOT be rescheduled. Damn, damn damn!

[darklinensuit]

That sucks. :(

I think we should have a fundraiser to buy her the patch.

Maybe if she joins the Fan Club they'll throw in a patch and a calendar. :nod:

- Jake

[dissention]

Maybe if she joins the Fan Club they'll throw in a patch and a calendar. :nod:

- Jake

But then she'd have to wait six months to receive them in the mail. :nod:

[StevieRox2]

what will be interesting is to see if they play in 3 days in MA - that will be suspicious - if she's that ill that she can't perform on the 26th, how the hell can she perform a measley 2 days later. :cool: :shocked: :distress:

[sparky]

C'mon!

If Stevie is smoking again, and this is all speculation on our part (none of us really know whether she is or isn't), she's being stupid. Not only that, but irresponsible, too. For someone who has had so many vocal problems thorughout the years, it boggles my mind that they would go back to one of those very problems that caused their voice to worsen.

She killed her voice in the seventies and eighties because she didn't know how to sing. She didn't have a clue and she tore her voice to shreds. Couple that with constant cocaine use. Then add a pack of cigarettes to that mix each and every day. It's no wonder that her voice is so low nowadays and not as flexible as it once was. No one's singing voice will ever get that low simply because they're getting older; it'll get that way if you don't take care of it as you're getting older. And Stevie never did take care of it. Inhaling steam and moisture before you go out onstage will help you get through the first song, nothing more. Same with cough drops; they don't work once they melt. Lord help her if she had the air conditioning on in the venues she performed at, that's death to a singer. She should've been practical when it came to the instrument that made her the steak: her voice. Swallow olive oil, drink orange juice, eat spinach, sing with your diaphragm and not your throat, etc. And no matter how many vocal exercises our gal does, if she's still puffing little sticks of suicide, none of them will help.

Of course, all of this smoking business is speculation, anyways. :laugh: End rant.

Dissention, imagine it - we agree ! :xoxo:

The only "rock" singers from Stevie's generation whose voices are still intact, that I can think of, are Ann Wilson and Linda Ronstadt. They both sang correctly, and neither of them ever smoked, as far as I can document. They've certainly both denied it (though I wouldn't have put it past Ann to have a joint or two 25 years ago).

Aretha is reputed to be a life long smoker - and her voice can still send chills up the spine. I can't testify to her range, as I don't follow her closely enough. Aretha is an anomaly. Patti LaBelle can still screech to wake the dead, but I am not sure of her smoking history. Regardless, it is hell on the voice. Just smoke for a week. If you're a singer, see how you can't hit the high notes after a week. I smoke. I know. It's a stupid and dangerous habit. But, I am not, nor will I be, a professional singer.

Maybe homegirl isn't back on the cancer sticks. But it's a worthy subject for discussion, anyway. In fact, if I get a chance to meet her again, which is likely, it is one of the subjects I plan to talk to her about.

[dissention]

what will be interesting is to see if they play in 3 days in MA - that will be suspicious - if she's that ill that she can't perform on the 26th, how the hell can she perform a measley 2 days later. :cool: :shocked: :distress:

That's what I'm worried about! :(

[strandinthewind]

Sparky wasn' it widely reported that La Rondstadt has or at least had a hole in her nose from the coke she did in the 70's. Ann and Nancy were notorious pot and coke heads - and I base that on people I know who did it with them :laugh:

Any, back to the regularly scheduled program.

[dissention]

Dissention, imagine it - we agree ! :xoxo:

The only "rock" singers from Stevie's generation whose voices are still intact, that I can think of, are Ann Wilson and Linda Ronstadt. They both sang correctly, and neither of them ever smoked, as far as I can document. They've certainly both denied it (though I wouldn't have put it past Ann to have a joint or two 25 years ago).

Aretha is reputed to be a life long smoker - and her voice can still send chills up the spine. I can't testify to her range, as I don't follow her closely enough. Aretha is an anomaly. Patti LaBelle can still screech to wake the dead, but I am not sure of her smoking history. Regardless, it is hell on the voice. Just smoke for a week. If you're a singer, see how you can't hit the high notes after a week. I smoke. I know. It's a stupid and dangerous habit. But, I am not, nor will I be, a professional singer.

Maybe homegirl isn't back on the cancer sticks. But it's a worthy subject for discussion, anyway. In fact, if I get a chance to meet her again, which is likely, it is one of the subjects I plan to talk to her about.

Well, ya know, birds of a feather flock together. :xoxo:

Ann Wilson and Linda Ronstadt are GREAT examples. They are both amazing vocally. I wonder how Grace SLick would sound these days, too...

[Villavic]

[QUOTE=sparky] . Smoking is the single most idiotic thing a singer can do. QUOTE]


I agree, no matter what kind of cigarette. About which is worse, I'm posting another at chit chat.

[gldstwmn]

But then she'd have to wait six months to receive them in the mail. :nod:

Or never-as in I never got mine.

[dissention]

Or never-as in I never got mine.

:shocked: STILL?!

Cripes. Wear a t-shirt at your next show that says "Fleeced By Fleetwood." Of course, John will deny it. Typical Republican...so begins the cover-up.

[gldstwmn]

:shocked: STILL?!

Cripes. Wear a t-shirt at your next show that says "Fleeced By Fleetwood." Of course, John will deny it. Typical Republican...so begins the cover-up.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

[dissention]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

:wavey:

I wonder how many conservative Mac fans we've scared off since we joined last year. :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

But then she'd have to wait six months to receive them in the mail. :nod:

Less time, minus the Egyptian jewelry.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Aretha is reputed to be a life long smoker - and her voice can still send chills up the spine. I can't testify to her range, as I don't follow her closely enough. Aretha is an anomaly. Patti LaBelle can still screech to wake the dead, but I am not sure of her smoking history.

I saw Patti at Live Aid and of all the acts, I remember that she could still be heard when the sound system kept failing.

- Jake

[dissention]

Less time, minus the Egyptian jewelry.

- Jake

I totally forgot about that junk. :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

If Stevie is smoking again... and with no disrespect meant to the two people who say they saw her smoking, but I'm not convinced that she really is... I'd be disappointed because it seems she was really adamant about not smoking ever again.
But if she has started again, it's really none of my business, because it is her body.

I know several people who have tried to quit smoking, with varying degrees of success. I also know several people who quit for a long time, only to start up again.

[sparky]

Sparky wasn' it widely reported that La Rondstadt has or at least had a hole in her nose from the coke she did in the 70's. Ann and Nancy were notorious pot and coke heads - and I base that on people I know who did it with them :laugh:

Any, back to the regularly scheduled program.

I never heard that about Ronstadt. If she was a blow head - evidently she didn't do it long enough to affect her voice. And clearly she never smoked it.

The Wilson sister's coke use is well documented, and they even talk about it. If they smoked some pot - again, it wasn't enough to tarnish Ann's pipes. Though pot smoke is also vile on the lungs, the day in day out 20 - 60 cigarettes a heavy smoker ingests is going to create an onslaught on the instrument that is far more damaging, methinks.

[skcin]

"Stevie, you're the poet in our hearts
Never smoke
And don't you ever cough"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

All kidding aside, I don't want to start a "was it a baby, or a dog, or Blanket Jackson" thing again, but I think (and hope) that it's very possible she was using an inhaler as opposed to puffing. JMO.

Paula

[gldstwmn]

:wavey:

I wonder how many conservative Mac fans we've scared off since we joined last year. :laugh:

Ah, well. All's well that ends well. ;) :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I never heard that about Ronstadt. If she was a blow head - evidently she didn't do it long enough to affect her voice. And clearly she never smoked it.



Wasn't someone here saying the "drove herself to madness with a silver spoon" lyrics from Witchy Woman were about Linda?

[sarahw]

As a smoker myself, and I did quit successfully once for 5 years I can say that stress brought me back to the ole' butts. If I were on tour, hanging out, maybe fighting with Lindsey, dealing with the heat, travelling all over, fretting about my new haircut, deciding to spice up my stage attire all the while knowing people were commenting on my every decision I would be chain smoking. I agree with the poster who said "smoke em if you got em." If she wants to smoke a few butts for the love of Pete she is 55 years old and capable of making her own choices. We don't all have to agree with them. For those of you who are pissed off and ranting about her being irresponsible give the poor woman a break. I for one will be seeing them on Saturday....if her voice isn't up to par, I won't be disappointed. I am grateful to have the opportunity to see them at all.

[strandinthewind]

I never heard that about Ronstadt. If she was a blow head - evidently she didn't do it long enough to affect her voice. And clearly she never smoked it.

The Wilson sister's coke use is well documented, and they even talk about it. If they smoked some pot - again, it wasn't enough to tarnish Ann's pipes. Though pot smoke is also vile on the lungs, the day in day out 20 - 60 cigarettes a heavy smoker ingests is going to create an onslaught on the instrument that is far more damaging, methinks.


ITA agree a pack a day is far worse than a joint a day :woohoo: But, in the end, both are bad, etc.

[darklinensuit]

But, in the end, both are bad, etc.

I imagine you're right, Jason, though I believe they're supposed to go in the mouth. ;) :wavey:

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I imagine you're right, Jason, though I believe they're supposed to go in the mouth. ;) :wavey:

- Jake

Eh..unless you're Bill Clinton... :distress:

[darklinensuit]

Eh..unless you're Bill Clinton... :distress:

Enough already. We're tired of hearing how the cleaners can't get the stain out of your dress, Marissa. Who knew they hire White House interns from DipStix?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

I totally forgot about that junk. :lol:

Who are you kidding? We know you're wearing the stuff right now. :wavey:

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Enough already. We're tired of hearing how the cleaners can't get the stain out of your dress, Marissa. Who knew they hire White House interns from DipStix?

- Jake

You are so wrong... :lol:

[darklinensuit]

You are so wrong... :lol:

Oh, you're saying the cleaners DID get the stain out? ;) :wavey:

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Oh, you're saying the cleaners DID get the stain out? ;) :wavey:

- Jake

Of course. Wouldn't want to ruin the dress! :shocked:

[darklinensuit]

Of course. Wouldn't want to ruin the dress! :shocked:

Just remember this time, the thong goes under it, not over it. See, this is why presidents notice you.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Just remember this time, the thong goes under it, not over it. See, this is why presidents notice you.

- Jake

I'll be sure to take fashion lessons from you ;)

You know, i'm getting the sneaking suspicion that your apartment is filled with thongs.

[darklinensuit]

I'll be sure to take fashion lessons from you ;)

You know, i'm getting the sneaking suspicion that your apartment is filled with thongs.

Do I REALLY need to explain to you that there's a difference between dental floss and buttfloss? :D

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Do I REALLY need to explain to you that there's a difference between dental floss and buttfloss? :D

- Jake

Well, essentially they're the same thing. They help to protect from cavities :lol:

[cliffdweller]

Not Jacko's. :rolleyes:

- Jake

Yeah, but isn't he an alien from planet Zoltron? :laugh:

Extraterrestrial beings don't count.

No offense to E.T.