Perception

[wondergirl9847]

This is just too hilarious. We have posters saying that Stevie looked sick, tired and rundown, another saying if she WAS sick, you couldn't tell, she rocked the house....I mean, ridiculous. :rolleyes:

I'm amazed at how two people can look at the SAME EXACT THING and see something TOTALLY different.

[Johnny Stew]

That's why I decided a very long time ago, that I never believe anything until I see it with my own two eyes.

Perception clouds everything... some people always see things in the most negative possible way, and others see things thru the proverbial rose-colored glasses. Reality is usually somewhere in between.
And then when I have the facts, I tend to prefer looking for the silver linings, rather than focusing on the dark clouds. :)

"You only see what your eyes want to see...."

[DownOnRodeo]

Christy - Too true. :nod:
JS - Those years at Meteorological College seem to have paid off. ;)

[louielouie2000]

Well I saw Stevie upclose tonight and she didn't appear sick and was in good form. She was even playful, putting on a cowboy hat someone handed her during GYOW, and wearing it until she came back for the encore. She didn't push any envelopes, but she didn't put on a blah show by any means. If anything I'd say she looked a little road worn. But again this is all opinion, personal observation, and perception.

[Johnny Stew]

Christy - Too true. :nod:
JS - Those years at Meteorological College seem to have paid off. ;)

I pushed my metaphor a little too far, huh? :shocked: Drat! :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Louie... I guess the big question would be, How was the interaction between Stevie & Lindsey?

From reports I've heard, they're certainly not showing any evidence on stage of being in the middle of some kind of feud.

By the way, I was thinking that one can suffer from bronchial problems (such as Stevie has often been plagued with) without showing outward signs of being "sick." Maybe the term "sick" is what's throwing everyone off.

[strandinthewind]

Also, I posted this on Nancy's site regarding Stevie being sick and what that could mean to her voice:

I would have thought the same about Destiny Rules, I mean that song is sung so low. Yet, Cory said Stevie dropped DR because it was taxing her voice - go figure!!!!! Way back when, when I took voice lessons, my coach always told me it was the modulating effect that was taxing on the chords AND it is possible to sing a more taxing song or say a longer speech if the sounds made are not the sounds that tax you the most, etc. In other words, when singing SS, Stevie may have to hit a few notes that hurt her and those notes are not in other songs in the same octave. AND SS is sung in a higher key than almost any song I can think of in the set, with perhaps the exception of parts of Sara.

so - it could be that Stevie looks and feels fine - it is just that part of her voice is not cooperating with her.

In any event, no matter what is going on or how it is perceived, I wish her nothing but good thoughts and a speedy recovery!!!!!!!

[Merf]

Louie... I guess the big question would be, How was the interaction between Stevie & Lindsey?

From reports I've heard, they're certainly not showing any evidence on stage of being in the middle of some kind of feud.



I was right up there. It was a bit chilly. Lindsey was making an effort, blowing kisses at her, etc. But she seemed a bit pissed off at him, nothing major. During band intros, He blew kisses at her and she just looked at him. He said something to her and just rolled his eyes. Things were a bit frosty. The only time things were "sweet" were during "Landslide" when she went to kiss his hand and smooched right above his skin. (This makes me think that she is coming down with something) When they got really close during "Sara" and "SYW" either she or he covered their mouths and the other smiled. (I guess so she wouldn't get him sick). At the very end, they stood on the side of the stage together and Stevie put her arms around herself (with her shawl) and he stood behind her, put his hands on tops of her arms, leaned in and kissed the back of her head. I give Lindsey major points for trying to smooth over whatever fight is going on right now (if there is one). :nod:

[louielouie2000]

They did their usual holding hands while walking on and off stage, rubbing one another's shoulders, singing towards each other, etc. If they're feuding they sure aren't letting it spill over to the concert. They were all smiles to one another all evening.

I could see Stevie having a bronchial infection though. You could tell her vocals just cut out a few times. She didn't sound strained by any means... though. I guess it's more of a subjective thing tho. She put on a just fine show.

[Johnny Stew]

Hmm, well, I'm not worried.

I figure that if they've been fighting, or if she's mad at him, she wouldn't turn around and act sweet towards him during some songs, nor would she sometimes smile at him.
And vice versa.

She might have been hot and a little under the weather, and therefore not looking entirely thrilled throughout the whole show.

And the crying... well, if my mom & aunts are any indication, tears are a regular occurance for menopausal women! :shocked: ;)

[wondergirl9847]

I think it's a sore throat or perhaps the bronchial thing you all are talking about. I remember in the Rumours Japan video, Stevie putting her head in one of those steam machines. Perhaps, she needs one of those on this tour, or maybe she's using one. :shrug:

Read that Lindsey had his boo boo taken care of. :) :laugh:

My first show is in 26 days....surely, this sickness and stuff will be long gone, and SS will return. :)

Edit: Well, that last sentence made me sound like a beyotch. LOL I didn't mean to sound self centered, and I pray that Stevie gets rest and her sickness goes away soon!!!!

[estranged4life]

My first show is in 26 days....surely, this sickness and stuff will be long gone, and SS will return. :)


see ya at the Dallas show...I am planning on buying my ticket tomorrow. Should be an emotional week for Debbie & myself too, Her final chemo treatment is on the 18th and we will be celebrating! (Not to mention a new Mac live album/DVD and a frikkin' vacation that is long overdue.)

[Johnny Stew]

Should be an emotional week for Debbie & myself too, Her final chemo treatment is on the 18th and we will be celebrating!

Brian, I am REALLY happy to hear that Debbie will soon be finished with her treatments. I hope everything is smooth sailing from here on out, and that her health continues to improve. :)

[estranged4life]

Brian, I am REALLY happy to hear that Debbie will soon be finished with her treatments. I hope everything is smooth sailing from here on out, and that her health continues to improve. :)

Debbie is doing great...And will be cancer free very, very soon.

But now the worry on my part starts. I have to undergo a medical procedure early next week to determine WTH is wrong with the soreness I am experiencing with my throat (And these @#$%^& choking episodes I am currently having).

Had a DR. appt today and my new DR. (Who's a frikkin' kid, I was thinking to myself "Gee, He's frikkin' Doogie Howser" when he entered the room...Man, I feel old now!) is very concerned with whatever it is.

Anyways, Back to the subject at hand...I hope Stevie's starts to feel better from whatever illness has is suffering from (Hopefully it's nothing more than a minor bronchial infection.)

[Josh2003]

Any experts here on Virginia Woolf's "To the Lighthouse"?

We studied this last semester in my Modern British and American Fiction class...all about the theory that perception affects reality...I don't know...I didn't understand it...lol

[DownOnRodeo]

Any experts here on Virginia Woolf's "To the Lighthouse"?

We studied this last semester in my Modern British and American Fiction class...all about the theory that perception affects reality...I don't know...I didn't understand it...lol
Sorry Josh, I'm afraid that's all over my head, but it sure sounds nice. :)

[Jessica Leigh]

I was right up there. It was a bit chilly. Lindsey was making an effort, blowing kisses at her, etc. But she seemed a bit pissed off at him, nothing major. During band intros, He blew kisses at her and she just looked at him. He said something to her and just rolled his eyes. Things were a bit frosty. The only time things were "sweet" were during "Landslide" when she went to kiss his hand and smooched right above his skin. (This makes me think that she is coming down with something) When they got really close during "Sara" and "SYW" either she or he covered their mouths and the other smiled. (I guess so she wouldn't get him sick). At the very end, they stood on the side of the stage together and Stevie put her arms around herself (with her shawl) and he stood behind her, put his hands on tops of her arms, leaned in and kissed the back of her head. I give Lindsey major points for trying to smooth over whatever fight is going on right now (if there is one). :nod:

i don't mean to sound like a b*tch at all... but, are you for real? is your middle name "assume" or something? how on earth can you possibly try to draw these conclusions about two people who might not even be fighting.. or might not be sick... or whatever...

this is how rumors get started... this is how big feuds get started... like the silver springs thread a couple days ago... suddenly someone on another board is going to post "merf posted on the ledge that stevie was sick and she and lindsey were avoiding each other and not having any contact so that he wouldn't get sick too" and then they'll say something like "well i'm not sure how she knows but i know she talked to Taku, so maybe he told her..." then suddenly the story is "Taku told merf that stevie is really sick" in which case suddenly the rumor is FACT to everyone because it supposedly came from a reliable source close to the band (Taku) and then at the next show stevie gets a deluge of get well cards and people offering to donate a kidney to her...

be careful what you say guys... these little assumptions are what cause our huge arguments... and divide the fans... we all love the same band... lets all just get along, ok? :angel:

[Kelly]

I think part of the speculation is resulting from what happened during TISL and how sick Stevie got during that tour, resulting in cancelled shows, etc. I am seeing a show next week and just hope she is healthy for it. It does worry me to hear that Cory reported that Stevie was too "sick" to do SS. I would not call that a wild assumption, I consider her to be a pretty reliable source of what is or is not going on with Stevie.

If Stevie is sick, I am sure she would be concerned about spreading her germs to other band and crew members. I remember reading something she said once about how when "one of them are sick, they all get sick". Whatever is going on, I do hope that Stevie is taking care of herself. I was very impressed that during the entire first part of this tour, NO shows were cancelled due to band illness. That is pretty amazing!

[wondergirl9847]

see ya at the Dallas show...I am planning on buying my ticket tomorrow. Should be an emotional week for Debbie & myself too, Her final chemo treatment is on the 18th and we will be celebrating! (Not to mention a new Mac live album/DVD and a frikkin' vacation that is long overdue.)

Glad yer coming down here, Brian! Hope you get a good ticket. YAY for Debbie!!!!! :thumbsup:

*sings* "Celebrate good times, COME ON!"

[CarneVaca]

I was right up there. It was a bit chilly. Lindsey was making an effort, blowing kisses at her, etc. But she seemed a bit pissed off at him, nothing major. During band intros, He blew kisses at her and she just looked at him. He said something to her and just rolled his eyes.

Maybe he looked at someone in the audience, went over to Stevie and said, "Can you believe that shmuck?" and punctuated it by rolling his eyes. Anything is possible.

[Merf]

i don't mean to sound like a b*tch at all... but, are you for real? is your middle name "assume" or something? how on earth can you possibly try to draw these conclusions about two people who might not even be fighting.. or might not be sick... or whatever...

this is how rumors get started... this is how big feuds get started... like the silver springs thread a couple days ago... suddenly someone on another board is going to post "merf posted on the ledge that stevie was sick and she and lindsey were avoiding each other and not having any contact so that he wouldn't get sick too" and then they'll say something like "well i'm not sure how she knows but i know she talked to Taku, so maybe he told her..." then suddenly the story is "Taku told merf that stevie is really sick" in which case suddenly the rumor is FACT to everyone because it supposedly came from a reliable source close to the band (Taku) and then at the next show stevie gets a deluge of get well cards and people offering to donate a kidney to her...

be careful what you say guys... these little assumptions are what cause our huge arguments... and divide the fans... we all love the same band... lets all just get along, ok? :angel:

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night. I was front row, five feet from both of them, so I offered some things I noticed. And now you're jumping down my throat? I am not the one "dividing" the fans. Think about what you just said to me and how that possibly made me feel! This is the second time in a week that I've had people ganging up on me here for offering my honest reflections of what I believe happened at a concert! You don't have to believe it. But for you to say that I'm just "assuming" something happened and it's my "assumptions" that are DIVIDING THE FANS? Give me a break! All of you!

[GardenStateGirlie]

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Not fact! And now you're jumping down my throat? I am not the one "dividing" the fans. Think about what you just said to me and how that possibly made me feel! This is the second time in a week that I've had people ganging up on me here for offering my honest reflections of what I believe happened at a concert! You don't have to believe it. But for you to say that I'm just "assuming" something happened and it's my "assumptions" that are DIVIDING THE FANS? Give me a break! All of you!

Don't bother. It's not worth the time it takes to type. :xoxo:

[Dulcimer]

Maybe he looked at someone in the audience, went over to Stevie and said, "Can you believe that shmuck?" and punctuated it by rolling his eyes. Anything is possible.

He he. That's what I was thinking too. I'm sure they see a lot of weird crap up there, fans making fools of themselves and so forth, so they must get a good laugh at that once in a while. He probably was rolling his eyes about someone in the crowd.

Why do some people assume that whatever interaction between Stevie and Lindsey is taking place on stage has to relate to their supposed relationship? Seems weird to me. :shrug:

[flyfirefly]

I'm sure Stevie pays someone good money to make sure she doesn't look sick, regardless of whether she is or not.

It's difficult for any of us to really know and/or understand why Stevie isn't performing a certain song and if the word is that she's sick or that it's too taxing on her voice, then that's really what we have to take as the truth. Destiny Rules is a new song, it's a little fast, she may not be able to just do it like 'Rhiannon' or 'Gold Dust Woman' which she's being performing fairly consistently for 20-odd years.

Maybe people are paranoid about rumoured 'feuds' because of what Stevie said in the Destiny Rules documentary. Is this going to be the big one where she and Lindsey completely explode and walk away forever? I don't really see it happening, but none of us really (really) know their past or, for that matter, their present. It's touchy, that's all that can be said.

I don't think we need to jump all over anyone though--when you're up front you tend to be privy to things even people in the 3rd and 4th rows don't see, and since it's just a review, what are you supposed to say? EDIT: I semi-agree with the last post. It does seem like a lot of things boil down to are-they-in-a-relationship or aren't they as opposed to inside jokes and the like.

Relax ;)

[Johnny Stew]

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night. I was front row, five feet from both of them, so I offered some things I noticed.

Merf... I'm really sorry that my question lead to you getting grief about your response. I was curious to know what the onstage vibe was like, and I appreciated hearing your opinion.
For what it's worth, I didn't think your answer had the potential to be divisive... you made it clear (at least to me) that you were only describing the events as you saw them. Same with Louie's response to the same question. :)

Everyone seems a little edgier than usual lately... maybe the heat's getting to us all.

[AliP]

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night.


I, for one, enjoyed your review. You are right this thread was about perception. If you are not allowed to post your opinions or your perception about what you saw, then what's the point? Basically that's what all reviews are anyway. Doesn't make sense to me :shrug: So, don't worry about it, Merf, and please don't feel like you can't post about what you saw!

[Livia]

*walking into this thread on eggshells*

I have a few points to make:

1. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV - heh -Just because someone is ill, doesn't mean they are contagious. If Stevie had allergies or whatever, which then developed into bronchitis, she's not contagious. And after seeing 12 shows, I've witnessed Lindsey put his hand over his mouth a LOT, particularly when Stevie's doing the "snooooooow covered hills" part of Landslide. It's like a nervous habit with him, and totally predictable.

2. I work in a law firm - if you're going to claim you know the motive behind someone's non-verbal actions, you'd better have some proof. The National Enquirer also says bs like "according to a source..." Whatever. I'm not calling anyone here a liar, I'm just saying that sometimes, things are presented on the boards as FACTS, when they are merely speculation.

3. Taku had to register on Nancy's site, solely to defend his marriage over what a fan "thought" they heard him say...and spun it out of control for cryin' out loud! :mad: Please remember that the members of FM and their families are REAL people, not soap opera characters. After some of the sh*t I've read lately, if I were Taku, or Kristen, or Lindsey, I'd be seeking the advice of an attorney to see if I had enough evidence to sue for libel and slander. To reiterate Jessica's point: be careful what you say guys... these little assumptions are what cause our huge arguments... and divide the fans... we all love the same band... lets all just get along, ok? Peace out.

[Livia]

Maybe he looked at someone in the audience, went over to Stevie and said, "Can you believe that shmuck?" and punctuated it by rolling his eyes. Anything is possible.

Exactamundo!

[wondergirl9847]

Taku had to register on Nancy's site, solely to defend his marriage over what a fan "thought" they heard him say...and spun it out of control for cryin' out loud!

Good gravy!! :distress:

[GardenStateGirlie]

*walking into this thread on eggshells*

I have a few points to make:

1. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV - heh -Just because someone is ill, doesn't mean they are contagious. If Stevie had allergies or whatever, which then developed into bronchitis, she's not contagious. And after seeing 12 shows, I've witnessed Lindsey put his hand over his mouth a LOT, particularly when Stevie's doing the "snooooooow covered hills" part of Landslide. It's like a nervous habit with him, and totally predictable.

2. I work in a law firm - if you're going to claim you know the motive behind someone's non-verbal actions, you'd better have some proof. The National Enquirer also says bs like "according to a source..." Whatever. I'm not calling anyone here a liar, I'm just saying that sometimes, things are presented on the boards as FACTS, when they are merely speculation.

3. Taku had to register on Nancy's site, solely to defend his marriage over what a fan "thought" they heard him say...and spun it out of control for cryin' out loud! :mad: Please remember that the members of FM and their families are REAL people, not soap opera characters. After some of the sh*t I've read lately, if I were Taku, or Kristen, or Lindsey, I'd be seeking the advice of an attorney to see if I had enough evidence to sue for libel and slander. To reiterate Jessica's point: Peace out.

Welcome to Hollywood where the world is your microscope. This isn't STAR magazine. It's the internet. People talk. That's life. And it's even more a fact of life when you are propelled into the public eye either in being famous, being a friend of a celebrity or by being married to someone who is. I'm not saying it's right, wrong, or indifferent. It is what it is.

As far as Taku registering on Nancy's site, who's to say that he registered solely to defend his marriage? Do you know that as a fact because I don't. If you're going to claim you know the motive behind someone's actions, you'd better have some proof. And for the record, AS A FACT, I spoke with him when he walked out into the audience before the concert in Atlanta and said to him as I stood with Nancy, "I really hope you know that not everyone on that board is absolutely out of their mind."

I'm only responding to this to say the following to all of you that hate all of us who speculate: not everyone that posts on Buckingham Nicks is crazy. There are a few people who say things totally off base (a la the whole Stevie is Leelee's mother) and they're SO off base that it's what you remember about this group of people. Trust in me when I say we're all too well aware that these are real people with real feelings. The people who actually aren't crazy but do speculate tread lightly. I know they read these boards. I'm not stupid.

Livia, this was not meant in any way as a shot at you. I just want everyone to understand what i'm trying to say because it seems that no one ever listens.

[Livia]

As far as Taku registering on Nancy's site, who's to say that he registered solely to defend his marriage? Do you know that as a fact because I don't.

Because on the main page, it said "Welcome new member, Taku," the same day he posted. And it was post #1 for him. :nod:

[jbrownsjr]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! STEVIE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MAD AT LB!

NO WAY! GET OUT! STOP THE PRESSES............LOL I AM NO LONGER A FAN!

Merf you're perceptions and/or rumours are always welcomed here. That's what the board is for.

The show I saw here in LA last year, Christine was so mad at Stevie and LB she didn't even show up! :eek:

[Johnny Stew]

The show I saw here in LA last year, Christine was so mad at Stevie and LB she didn't even show up! :eek:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Goofball. :p

[GardenStateGirlie]

Because on the main page, it said "Welcome new member, Taku," the same day he posted. And it was post #1 for him. :nod:

To be immediately followed by posts #2 and #3 and an apology from the person who made the intial comment on the basis of miscommunication when she had met him in Australia.

I highly doubt someone told him that people were discussing his marriage in a post on the Buckingham Nicks board on the internet and he hopped on to defend it. More than likely, he'd been a silent guest on our boards reading some posts and chimed in when his name was mentioned. But that's just my perception... ;)

[jbrownsjr]

Hey it's Friday Johnny, I'm entitled! :wavey: :thumbsup:

[CarneVaca]

And for the record, AS A FACT, I spoke with him when he walked out into the audience before the concert in Atlanta and said to him as I stood with Nancy, "I really hope you know that not everyone on that board is absolutely out of their mind."

Marissa, of course you realize that implicit in that statement is an admission that some of them are out of their minds... ;)

[GardenStateGirlie]

Marissa, of course you realize that implicit in that statement is an admiassion that some of them are out of their minds... ;)

Some are out of their minds? Surely you jest! ;)

[Johnny Stew]

In my very honest opinion, I think we're all a little out of our minds for devoting so much time and energy to posting on message boards devoted to a music group. :laugh:
I'm not saying anything against it... that would be the height of hypocrisy!... I'm just saying that it seems to me that most anyone on the outside, looking in on all of us and our debates, our quarrels, our passionate opinions, etc., would question our collective sanity.

Each group of fans thinks they're all right, so long as they don't act like the other group (whichever group it is that you happen to align with)...
but I think we're all a little off the beam, and we're better off to just admit it, and accept the differing eccentricities of our fellow fans.
Of course, some people will always take things to extremes, but then we all have our "thing" that other people will think we're crazy for. So no one's really better than anyone else, and anyone who thinks they are, is just fooling themselves. ;) :)

Ok, everyone... start singing "Kumbaya." ;) :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

In my very honest opinion, I think we're all a little out of our minds for devoting so much time and energy to posting on message boards devoted to a music group. :laugh:
I'm not saying anything against it... that would be the height of hypocrisy!... I'm just saying that it seems to me that most anyone on the outside, looking in on all of us and our debates, our quarrels, our passionate opinions, etc., would question our collective sanity.

Each group of fans thinks they're all right, so long as they don't act like the other group (whichever group it is that you happen to align with)...
but I think we're all a little off the beam, and we're better off to just admit it, and accept the differing eccentricities of our fellow fans.
Of course, some people will always take things to extremes, but then we all have our "thing" that other people will think we're crazy for. So no one's really better than anyone else, and anyone who thinks they are, is just fooling themselves. ;) :)

Ok, everyone... start singing "Kumbaya." ;) :laugh:

:xoxo:

Agreed.

[DownOnRodeo]

Well said JS! I wish I could express my thoughts as clearly as you always manage to.

[Johnny Stew]

Well said JS! I wish I could express my thoughts as clearly as you always manage to.

It's easy, Joe... I have a team of writers! ;)

Seriously though, I appreciate the compliment. :)

[golden braid]

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night. I was front row, five feet from both of them, so I offered some things I noticed. And now you're jumping down my throat? I am not the one "dividing" the fans. Think about what you just said to me and how that possibly made me feel! This is the second time in a week that I've had people ganging up on me here for offering my honest reflections of what I believe happened at a concert! You don't have to believe it. But for you to say that I'm just "assuming" something happened and it's my "assumptions" that are DIVIDING THE FANS? Give me a break! All of you!

Merf, I just read your posts and I enjoyed them and I like knowing the details of how the concert went. I understand it is just your opinion and I appreciate reading other people's opinions. Afterall this is a message board for everyone to express their thoughts and perceptions. Keep up the good work.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I have no problem reading peoples perceptions and opinions. I enjoy most of them! I just don't like it when people get downright nasty about Kristen... and they do at times. I just think that is un-necessary

Pip

[paleshadow]

I remember after the "Detiny Rules" doc. on VH1 some people wrote that Lindsey and Mick were making faces while listening to Silver Girl. Some other people, including myself didn't see this. I think that our perception is affected by what we believe, and what we want to see. People who dislike Silver Girl might see what they think is dislike on the face of Lindsey or Mick and think "SEE, even THEY hate it!!!" I think sometimes that people who swear they see tension between Stevie and Lindsey can sometimes be too caught up in the drama of what their relationship was so they over examine everything looking for evidence. The truth is that any and all forms of communication, verbal and non-verbal can be misinterpreted.

I didn't see anything wrong with Merf's post; but I do think that Jessica Leigh's post was a bit ironic. I mean, she starts by saying "I don't want to be a b*tch and all, and then jabs Merf by saying "is your middle name assume", and then closes by saying "Let's all just get along, OK". Seems like we were doing just that. I usually think when people say "I'm not trying to be a b*tch", they should try harder. That's just my perception though. ;)

[Kelly]

How or why Taku registered to post on Nancy's board is a complete assumption on all of our parts. People rail Merf for "assuming" and then come on and "assume" to know Taku's motives? :shrug: Give me a break. :confused:

[Mari]

Who's Taku ???

as for the rest of this discussion, keep on going ;) Love it when two minor incidents turn into days of discussion and speculation :D Can't say I have that talent.

[DownOnRodeo]

Mari - Taku is the percussionist on the tour! ie the bongo man.

[CarneVaca]

How or why Taku registered to post on Nancy's board is a complete assumption on all of our parts. People rail Merf for "assuming" and then come on and "assume" to know Taku's motives? :shrug: Give me a break. :confused:

His motivation was quite clear. All you had to do was read his first post over there.

Revisionism is never a good idea, you know.

[David]

His motivation was quite clear. All you had to do was read his first post over there.Taku also posted (anonymously) to the Fleetwood Mac Usenet group. I argued with him (without knowing it) about Mick's ability to keep time.

Maybe Taku is even checking out the ledgies! [waves to Taku]

I think it's great that somebody in that traveling circus knows how to use the Internet!

[jbrownsjr]

It's easy, Joe... I have a team of writers! ;)

Seriously though, I appreciate the compliment. :)


This would not surprise me LOL!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Taku also posted (anonymously) to the Fleetwood Mac Usenet group. I argued with him (without knowing it) about Mick's ability to keep time.

Maybe Taku is even checking out the ledgies! [waves to Taku]

I think it's great that somebody in that traveling circus knows how to use the Internet!


David what was your side of the arguement. I feel that Mick drags the song sometimes. Interested to know if I'm "all wet".

[David]

David what was your side of the arguement. I feel that Mick drags the song sometimes. Interested to know if I'm "all wet".Taku agrees with you (as does, for that matter, Lenny Castro).

You can read all about this "problem" of Mick's in the following thread:

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=870df8ad9da87e5e&seekm=bhfenc%24bv3%241%40hercules.btinternet.com&frame=off

[jbrownsjr]

Taku agrees with you (as does, for that matter, Lenny Castro).

You can read all about this "problem" of Mick's in the following thread:

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=870df8ad9da87e5e&seekm=bhfenc%24bv3%241%40hercules.btinternet.com&frame=off

Well what does Lenny know. Those damn jazzers! :D

[CarneVaca]

Boy, that's interesting. Intuitively, I got the sense when I saw the Behind the Mask concert, that something was a little off. It was probably Mick either speeding up or slowing down the tempo. At the time, I merely thought the beat was off occasionally.

[shackin'up]

Boy, that's interesting. Intuitively, I got the sense when I saw the Behind the Mask concert, that something was a little off. It was probably Mick either speeding up or slowing down the tempo. At the time, I merely thought the beat was off occasionally.

Is that new to you all? Mick has done this his entire life as a drummer. He "floats, but still is a driving force. He just can't do it in another way. You even can hear it very clearly on "bleed to love her". Even in the studio he does that. I even think that's the exact reason why Lindsey loves him. He's a "feeler", not a machine.

[Rumours]

He also has a disorder which renders him unable to play the same exact thing twice.....
Maybe that's a big part??

Stephanie

[jbrownsjr]

Is that new to you all? Mick has done this his entire life as a drummer. He "floats, but still is a driving force. He just can't do it in another way. You even can hear it very clearly on "bleed to love her". Even in the studio he does that. I even think that's the exact reason why Lindsey loves him. He's a "feeler", not a machine.

Not new to me at all, and LB hasn't always loved MF's drumming. Especially early on. LB even took drums on some tusk songs. I have to side with Mick however, after listening to LB's solo work I'll take Mick anyday.

[shackin'up]

Not new to me at all, and LB hasn't always loved MF's drumming. Especially early on. LB even took drums on some tusk songs. I have to side with Mick however, after listening to LB's solo work I'll take Mick anyday.

The fact that lindsey played drums on some Tusk-songs has really NOTHING to do with his supposed lack of love for Mick as a drummer. We are not talking about Mick's behaviour as a bandmate though: I can understand that Lindsey wanted to be a zillion lightyears apart from Mick the lunatic in some times of their bandlife together. And that last remark about Lindsey's totally brilliant solowork: I agree to certain extend. I would pick Mick anyday, too. At last, on Gift Of Screws, Lindsey DID use Mick on his solostuff. But by then, the man was back on earth again using his sensibility as a musician again.

I can't think of ONE quote from Lindsey where he questions Mick's musicianship. I really think that Lindsey has always loved Micks drumwork. I remember him saying Mick's drumtake on WMYTYTO was the best thing he'd ever recorded. And as I recall, that was from the Tuskalbum.


gerald :wavey: