***SPOILER***Nashville set list

[joe]

this is unbelievable....looks like we are slowly migrating to the set list of yore - according to a review on Mick's board, they dropped "destiny rules" inserted "say you will" back in.

this is really pissing me off slowly. i can just see "sara" getting dumped soon.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

The totally wierd part is right now I have no idea what they will play tonight..there has been some kind of a set list change for this leg of the tour every night...so It's very weird for me to be able to say that I do not know what they will play...as long as they dont drop Sara!!

Chris

[Mike B]

You've got to be kidding me. :mad:

So now we're down to only IKINW, Sara, and Red Rover as the only changes from a setlist that has been played over 100 times? This is ridiculous.

I might just be done with this tour.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

For all we know possibly they are just trying to change it up every night...I know that is hard to believe, but it is possible...there has been no SET in stone set list since this leg began...Dont let me down again was dropped, then the next night goodbye baby reappeared, now destiny rules has been dropped and say you will back in....maybe next week destiny rules will be back and goodbye baby dropped...MAYBE (although i have my reservations as well)---they are trying to do it a little diff. every night..

Except for DLMDA , we know Cory said it was dropped for good because it couldnt find it's place or something

Chris

[Mike B]

MAYBE (although i have my reservations as well)---they are trying to do it a little diff. every night..


I'd really like to believe that. But it seems to me that they are still just so uncomfortable with taking chances that they're reverting back to the safe, predictible setlist. I guess we will know better after tonight.

[joe]

You've got to be kidding me. :mad:

So now we're down to only IKINW, Sara, and Red Rover as the only changes from a setlist that has been played over 100 times? This is ridiculous.

I might just be done with this tour.

i know...me too. i woke up this morning, went online and hadn't heard the new added songs from Madison. After i heard "DR", i thought, "i like this song...and i'm glad they're doing it in place of "SYW" cause it's more emotional and stevie-ish to me for some reason.

i was just scrambling around the past few days trying to get tix for 2 shows in the area. I found 2 great seats (6th row) for scranton on ebay and when i went to bid on them, ebay prompted me to enter credit card information and i usually wait till literally the last minute or two before bidding because you have a better chance of getting the item without someone out bidding you. anyway, i didn't get the tix and maybe this is a sign.

i think i may just go to one show providing they don't drop anything else.

i also just as soon see them go back into the studio. i really need to save my $$$ anyway.

if they feel that the song was dragging, why don't they put in "RTTG"?

[rezamatic]

Hey everybody! This is my very first post here (woo-hoo!) even though I've been coming to the site over a year now.

Anyways, I've been to see the Mac twice last year (FINALLY my first two times seeing them live) and I've found them to really be playing to the general, casual fans. I've noticed that Rhiannon, Gypsy and a few other classic tracks just seem fizzled out, in my opinion - it's as if they're forced to play them to please those nosebleed-seat-grabbing 'fans'. I totally understand this for the first and even second leg, but the point is that we're on the THIRD LEG now! Those casual fans have had their chances to go catch the band play their greatest hits at least twice now, so I feel like they've filled their quota. It's time to finally throw out new (and obscure old) songs that they've always wanted to experiment with live. If the casual fanbase isn't totally into it, then big deal. Swap with another group of songs the next night. By now I just feel that they should be tailoring more to the diehard fans that will appreciate the immense variety of work they've created over the years (and past year!). We've already forked over tons of cash for repeat concerts, and we're gonna keep going over and over again (who are we kidding?). Bring on the new set list because by now we deserve it!

[77Rumours77]

well i am fine right now, I am praying that INIW and Sara are not dropped! I wouldn't even go if I had the chance! :eek:

[diamondsnake]

Can someone answer a question? Is Second Hand News still in the setlist? Someplaces say it is in the set list and some do not. I really hope it is because it is my favorite song from Rumours.

Also!!!! Destiny Rules dropped!!! Ahhhhh!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: This sucks!!! The tour has been going on for what four or five concerts now and the setlist has been different at each one, so I am not holding my breath to hear any song when I see them next week. I don't want to be dissapointed. This royally sucks though. Lets hope it is just a rumour or they quickly change their minds and bring it back in the setlist tonight. I am mad!!!

[wondergirl9847]

That's one of my fave SYW songs!! GRRRR!!! :mad::mad:

I don't LIKE the song, SYW!!! :mad:

Grrrrrrumble.

LOL If he drops Red Rover, I swear to those damn gods.....:mad:

[Hawkeye]

NO NO NO. I could live with the loss of DLMDA, but THIS is UNEXCEPTABLE. Short of loosing IKINW this is the worst possible thing that could happen. You people who went to Madison surely had the right idea.

[estranged4life]

I thought "Destiny Rules" sounded rather flat on the Madison bootleg, So I can see it getting the boot..."Say You Will" seemed more rockin' on past bootlegs than "Destiny Rules" did on the live Madison boot.

However, IKINW & Sara seem very rockin' so hopefully those 2 tracks will be around for awhile (If ya catch my drift)

[ryan8472]

Damn it!!!!

I was really looking forward to Destiny Rules. This totally sucks ass. I say we find the one who decided to take it out of the set and lynch them! Why is it that this song is always played 3-4 times and then dropped?

[David]

It's time to finally throw out new (and obscure old) songs that they've always wanted to experiment with live.Or maybe they don't really want to experiment with new live tunes, despite what they harp on in interviews.

If the casual fanbase isn't totally into it, then big deal.Harry Cohn, the old studio boss at Columbia, once said that if his ass gets sore in the preview, the movie's a stinker & the audience won't like it. One of the screenwriters quipped, "That's great. The whole world is wired to Harry Cohn's ass."

Fleetwood Mac ought to stop fretting over whether a percentage of the asses out there is getting sore. The band members all think with the most prosaically commercial minds these days. It's no wonder that "Say You Will" ain't "Tusk" -- there's no way in hell that a "Tusk" would have been created in that kind of reactionary environment.

[Mike B]

Hey everybody! This is my very first post here (woo-hoo!)

It may be your first, but I hope it isn't your last! I agree with everything you said.

Fleetwood Mac ought to stop fretting over whether a percentage of the asses out there is getting sore.

Exactly. Let the fans worry about their own asses! :lol:

[diamondsnake]

Is Second Hand News in the Setlist?

[sparky]

As much as I like DR on the record, I thought it sounded draggy on the boot too. BUT, that doesn't mean I didn't want to hear it live. It's better than that boring assed, draggariffic SYW. But then, Rhiannon is a boring drag of a song too, and they'll play that till they are hauled off stage. I already decided I am not spending a cent on this leg anyway. If I get comps, I am there. No money from me !

[GypsySorcerer]

Is Second Hand News in the Setlist?


They played SHN last night in Nashville.

[EveryHour]

Ugh! What was the point in even doing the second batch of rehearsals?! Can't they just be stubborn enough to not change the setlist just because that means they would have wasted all of that rehearsal time?! :laugh: I will be there rockin' and happy no matter what happens, but it would really make me sad to lose my chance to ever see Sara live. It's such a treat since we thought it would most definitely never happen again. I will drop dead if they are actually switching it up each night, but I say that with my fingers crossed behind my back because you never know! :)

[rezamatic]

It may be your first, but I hope it isn't your last! I agree with everything you said.


Thanks! It took me a while to figure out which post I really wanted to respond to and have something decent to say! :thumbsup:

One thing I noticed with my two concert-goings is that the audience is SO much different in nosebleeds versus floor. I was trying to chat up with some 'fans' when I couldn't afford decent seats. I said I couldn't wait to hear "Tusk" and she sort of blanked and said 'OH, right--wow that's an obscure one! You're pretty good!" That and I had some drunk redneck behind me screaming out "YEEEAH Not Ever Going There Again, Lucy!" during NGBA. Lucy.... Lucky Birmingham, I assume?

Compare that to the awesome time I had down on the floor a few months later, talking with fans about specific shows/sets at tours that I've never had the chance to go to! Just proved to me that the $70 fans will be happy enough with whatever, but the $100+ fans will get SUCH a kick out of new stuff.

So that brings me to a question - do you think that if F-Mac actually did change up their set list to appeal to their more dedicated fans, that overall ticket sales would drop? I mean, are they afraid of this and that's why they don't bother?

[jadegypsy]

The Good: I get to keep $100, no DR no going, that simple. I don't care all that much about the other new songs, I like Sara but it's not in my top five Stevie songs.

The Bad: I get to keep $100 b/c the set list almost identical to what I saw before, and yes I would've shelled out $100 to see DR live, only three other songs could've made me do that: Angel, MLD, and Sweet Girl. Oh well.

As for why the play the same old list probably b/c they are not footing the tour bill and the backers (VH1?) want to see $$$ not to please the diehard fan. If it isn't on Rumors or called Rhiannon or Gypsy the casual fan doesn't know it or want to hear it. But I can't really point fingers, after all I'm going to see Madonna and I want to hear her older stuff, obscure great, new NO!

[Mike B]

So that brings me to a question - do you think that if F-Mac actually did change up their set list to appeal to their more dedicated fans, that overall ticket sales would drop? I mean, are they afraid of this and that's why they don't bother?

I personally don't think it is as much a money issue as it is a performance anxiety issue.

Most casual fans come in expecting to hear the monster hits. But do casual fans do any research before going to see a band like FM? I think they see the brand name "Fleetwood Mac" and that's enough. Once they get inside the door, they are pretty much at the mercy of the band in regards to the setlist. I guess what I'm saying is that as long as the tour isn't advertised as an "Obscurities Tour", they'll probably put the same number of butts in the seats. They may have some very unhappy audience members, but hey, by then, the ticket is sold.

But that is part of the problem. This band definitely feeds off the energy of the audience and this fan response often dictates which songs to drop (RTTG and DLMDA anyone?). So obscure songs = less response = less energy = a terrified band. I would have thought that they would have more confidence in themselves and their music by now, but apparently they don't.

I think it is possible to achieve a balance between playing the mega hits and enough new/obscure songs to keep everyone happy, but FM seems to fall just short of it for me. They really don't have to play 8 + songs from Rumours on every tour.

[face of glass]

Most casual fans come in expecting to hear the monster hits. But do casual fans do any research before going to see a band like FM? I think they see the brand name "Fleetwood Mac" and that's enough. Once they get inside the door, they are pretty much at the mercy of the band in regards to the setlist. I guess what I'm saying is that as long as the tour isn't advertised as an "Obscurities Tour", they'll probably put the same number of butts in the seats. They may have some very unhappy audience members, but hey, by then, the ticket is sold.

Hell, I don't mind if I hear the ridiculous amount of Rumours songs just as long as the other aspects of the setlist would change. There's PLENTY of new songs they should try in place of the SYW ones they've had in the setlist. No matter how polished and smooth the performances are, you're bound to get bored if you listen to numerous recordings or go to plenty of shows (if you're not in the front row, that is).

At this point they definitely should keep on changing the setlist, especially since the tour versions of the songs are pretty much inseparable from each other. Lose the backing players and let the touring strain affect LB/SN/JM/MF and then it would be the closest to Tusk tour that we could get right now.

[joe]

are they afraid of this and that's why they don't bother?

yes. more later.........

[Hippocampus]

No matter how polished and smooth the performances are, you're bound to get bored if you listen to numerous recordings or go to plenty of shows (if you're not in the front row, that is).

At this point they definitely should keep on changing the setlist, especially since the tour versions of the songs are pretty much inseparable from each other. Lose the backing players and let the touring strain affect LB/SN/JM/MF and then it would be the closest to Tusk tour that we could get right now.

While I would be the first one to welcome new songs in the set, I really understand why the band is doing it. Let's face it, hardcore fans are a true minority and for the casual ones (whose "fandom" rarely goes beyond Rumours and Greatest Hits) which make for the majority, it isn't especially fun going to a concert when you don't know even half of the setlist.

You mention "recordings". Should the band take into account that fans trade or download bootlegs of their shows and are sick to death of hearing the same setlist in rotation? I'll bet they never considered this aspect. Our general boredom of Rumours songs is completely and totally self-induced and I find it quite telling when some newer fans complain about "old and tired" setlists when they have never even been to a single FM concert. I think the band genuinely believes that even hardcore fans WANT to hear "Dreams" or "Go Your Own Way" given the years between each tour.

Yes it would be wonderful if they were more adventurous but if they played "Crystal", "I Know I'm Not Wrong", "Storms" and "Murrow" in succession, they would have an angry crowd screaming for the hits. So alas, they aim to please the majority which is quite understandable.

[face of glass]

You mention "recordings". Should the band take into account that fans trade or download bootlegs of their shows and are sick to death of hearing the same setlist in rotation?

I have very little against them trying to "please the majority" but playing the same SYW songs night after night sure isn't pleasing them.

I'm not a musician but for me, for someone who believes that rock'n'roll isn't all about repeating what has gone before, doing the same setlist every night with the SAME SPEECHES (I understand their pretentious artistic aim but it still bugs me) and the same stage choreography in most songs is ridiculously unambitious. I understand that that's what most nostalgia acts do these days anyway.

As of now they do eight songs from Rumours (if you count "Silver Springs") and that's audience-pleasing enough as it is. If the band isn't changing the setlist in any other parts and keeps on using backing musicians then to me that says that the band isn't all that interested in playing live anymore and that there's other reasons (you guessed 'em) behind the whole touring. And it isn't all that surprising anyway, when you consider that Lindsey has mostly preferred studio work to live playing. Stevie SHOULD be up there, as a performer she still delivers but even she could benefit from possible changes in the set.

On this tour there's no immediate thrill, danger or risks involved. There was in the past, even though the set didn't change that much, because the safety net (the backing musicians) wasn't there. My belief is that the huge amount of such extra hands on stage has been seriously damaging the band interplay. In the older days the band chemistry was always obvious, especially on Rumours and the group songs of Tusk. If there's going to be a next studio album for this line-up it will most likely be the equal of SYW in interplay which isn't all that much.

[joe]

I have very little against them trying to "please the majority" but playing the same SYW songs night after night sure isn't pleasing them.

I'm not a musician but for me, for someone who believes that rock'n'roll isn't all about repeating what has gone before, doing the same setlist every night with the SAME SPEECHES (I understand their pretentious artistic aim but it still bugs me) and the same stage choreography in most songs is ridiculously unambitious. I understand that that's what most nostalgia acts do these days anyway.

As of now they do eight songs from Rumours (if you count "Silver Springs") and that's audience-pleasing enough as it is. If the band isn't changing the setlist in any other parts and keeps on using backing musicians then to me that says that the band isn't all that interested in playing live anymore and that there's other reasons (you guessed 'em) behind the whole touring. And it isn't all that surprising anyway, when you consider that Lindsey has mostly preferred studio work to live playing. Stevie SHOULD be up there, as a performer she still delivers but even she could benefit from possible changes in the set.

On this tour there's no immediate thrill, danger or risks involved. There was in the past, even though the set didn't change that much, because the safety net (the backing musicians) wasn't there. My belief is that the huge amount of such extra hands on stage has been seriously damaging the band interplay. In the older days the band chemistry was always obvious, especially on Rumours and the group songs of Tusk. If there's going to be a next studio album for this line-up it will most likely be the equal of SYW in interplay which isn't all that much.

good point...i find it very hard to believe that a 37 year old band, (ok, 29 year old, since basically everything up till 1975 has been null and void for some time now) has to rely on one album to deliver the goods. They (Lindsey mostly) complained in the past about being part of the "machinery" but they're the ones now that are totally running those "machines". And it's complete with assembly line workers and time clocks. By the way, is Stevie still sporting that Rolex???

I just think that if the audience is expecting to hear most of the Rumours songs then it's FM's fault. They're completely feeding those expectations. They could build a reputation of being spontaneous with their shows and play more variety from their catalog. Bruce or The Grateful Dead changed their sets all the time. And Bruce has had signature songs....but he still sells out with every tour. You can't tell me that FM couldn't get away with that. And the next time FM comes around, people are going to expect to hear the same Rumours songs and will most likely hear them.

Most likely, the band members are the same types of people that, if concertgoers themselves, expect to hear hit songs from their idols. I've actually heard Stevie admit this herself (not in those exact words). Therefore, it completely makes sense to them.

What do you think the chances are that FM does an "A&E Live by Request"?
They would s*** if they had to do that. They'd probably hand out a list of songs and tell the audience they had to pick from that, or they screen every caller too.

[darklinensuit]

I prefer SYW to DR, but I agree that more changes need to be put into the tired setlist.
If they had sense they'd throw in some songs for the diehards on different nights. Frozen Love, Storms, Tango, SOTM - If each of these were inserted into different shows, more people would be going to multiple shows, I suspect. Just one change every five shows or so - That's not too much to ask.

- Jake

[dissention]

What do you think the chances are that FM does an "A&E Live by Request"?
They would s*** if they had to do that. They'd probably hand out a list of songs and tell the audience they had to pick from that, or they screen every caller too.

They would ****. Unlike the brave artists who agree to do that show, the Mac like to phone in their songs and play the same old **** that they've been playing for over 25 years. They do the same thing every night, so that eventually it all sounds the same and they're just going through the motions. They need to either reward the people who go to see them with fresh songs and a much fresher show, or pack it in and just stay in the studio until they decide to retire. Seeing Stevie sing Dreams for the 67,986,019 time, complete with mechanical hand gestures, isn't something I want to pay hundreds for. Same goes for Lindsey and the rest of 'em.

[dissention]

You mention "recordings". Should the band take into account that fans trade or download bootlegs of their shows and are sick to death of hearing the same setlist in rotation? I'll bet they never considered this aspect. Our general boredom of Rumours songs is completely and totally self-induced and I find it quite telling when some newer fans complain about "old and tired" setlists when they have never even been to a single FM concert. I think the band genuinely believes that even hardcore fans WANT to hear "Dreams" or "Go Your Own Way" given the years between each tour.


They should take into account that a great majority of the people who go to their shows attend them over and over and over. It's the die-hards that put the cash in their pocketbooks and it must be just a tad boring and predictable for such a customer to go to 15 shows, only to hear the same tired songs. Honestly, I wouldn't want to pay for more than one show if each one is going to be the same. I mean, everything in a Mac show is rehearsed, down to the number of footsteps that walk. Thank the lord that this is the last leg.

[darklinensuit]

That's why I still haven't bought a ticket. I've seen the same exact show five times already.

- Jake

[Hawkeye]

They would ****. Unlike the brave artists who agree to do that show

Oh yeah those other artists are real BRAVE :rolleyes: I saw Blondie on that show and what songs did they clearly scrrened the calls just like you're all saying the mac would. What songs were played on this all request show: Dreamin, Hangin on the Telophone, Gonna Get You, Call Me, Rapture, Heart of Glass, and a few songs from the new album. And I think there were 2 rarer songs. But Fleetwood Mac is doing a few VERY RARE songs on this tour. IKINW has NEVER ever been played live before. And i'd say it's pretty obscure. And guys have we already take for granted Beautiful Child. Seriously none of us could've ever DREAMED that thjis gem would EVER be played on Stage, but hey whipped it out for the SYW tour for us. And they even decided to keep it in for the 2nd leg. They took out A HIT of Stevie's and left in the OBSCURE song. They could've easiliy left in Gypsy and replaced Beautiful Child. But no they chucked Gypsy and kept BC. Doing it the other way around would've made the average fan happier. That was adecision for us.

[Miranda]

Most of the criticism isn't mutually exclusive. The set list is more than 20 songs nightly. They could change something every other show if not every night. They can still cover the Rumours standards and other radio hits, and please people tired of the same phoned in songs and performances.

Let's face it. This band really isn't interested in delivering freshness or taking chances. They either don't have the confidence, as some have said, or they don't give a ****. They just want the money.

When I hear or read Lindsey's comments against repeating oneself, which he still makes in almost every interview, I have to laugh. After seeing the magazine spread of his new house I put on the DR documentary for a good laugh. I especially get a kick out of the parts where he whines about loosing money for his artistic freedom.

I don't know how any band could tour for two years doing the same songs and the same scripted staging they did during the 7 year old reunion tour, and expect anyone to take them seriously. They're doing exactly what all oldies acts do, no matter how much they say they're not about that. As long as people will pay to see it they don't have to change a thing.

I'm not knocking fans who go to several shows and don't care about seeing the same exact thing each time. They just love the band and want to see them no matter what. I just get tired of band members saying they don't consider themselves an oldies act when they perform like one.

[The Tower]

This band definitely feeds off the energy of the audience and this fan response often dictates which songs to drop (RTTG and DLMDA anyone?). So obscure songs = less response = less energy = a terrified band. I would have thought that they would have more confidence in themselves and their music by now, but apparently they don't.

I think it is possible to achieve a balance between playing the mega hits and enough new/obscure songs to keep everyone happy, but FM seems to fall just short of it for me. They really don't have to play 8 + songs from Rumours on every tour.

But you see- Fleetwood Mac CREATED this problem all on their own. The Buckingham Nicks lineup started with "greatest hits" from the white album on and they chose to continue playing the same songs over and over and over.

If they established themselves as a groundbreaking touring act from the beginning, they would never have gotten to the performance anxiety area in the first place.

Look at acts like The Indigo Girls, Phish, and The Grateful Dead (just to name a select few). They have "mixed it up" since the day they started playing. The IG have been touring solid now for almost twenty years. If you go to one of their concerts today, almost every ticket holder knows they're going to get a fresh set list. If FM had been dynamic from the Buck/Nicks get-go, all of the obscurites wouldn't even be obscurities at all.

Lose the backing players and let the touring strain affect LB/SN/JM/MF and then it would be the closest to Tusk tour that we could get right now.

It'll NEVER happen. Never.

What do you think the chances are that FM does an "A&E Live by Request"? They would s*** if they had to do that. They'd probably hand out a list of songs and tell the audience they had to pick from that, or they screen every caller too.

So far, every Live By Request I've seen has done exactly that- or at least appears to do that. There's no way in hell any band is going to go onstage and allow unscreened callers to request ANY song from their catalog. No way. Stevie can't even remember the lyrics to "Frozen Love". When David Bowie went on one of his recent tours, he had to have a music geek teach him how to play some of his older tunes.

If they had sense they'd throw in some songs for the diehards on different nights. Frozen Love, Storms, Tango, SOTM - If each of these were inserted into different shows, more people would be going to multiple shows, I suspect. Just one change every five shows or so - That's not too much to ask.

It's not too much to ask. But FM is wayyyy too lazy to want to do this. It's much easier for them to play the same old songs. No risk. No fear. No excitement.

Let's face it. This band really isn't interested in delivering freshness or taking chances. They either don't have the confidence, as some have said, or they don't give a ****. They just want the money.

I don't know how any band could tour for two years doing the same songs and the same scripted staging they did during the 7 year old reunion tour, and expect anyone to take them seriously. They're doing exactly what all oldies acts do, no matter how much they say they're not about that. As long as people will pay to see it they don't have to change a thing.

BINGO!!! I couldn't have said better myself. It's sad, though. Such a waste. You would think with all the cash they have that they'd actually DO an "obscurities tour". Play to smaller venues. Charge enough money on each ticket to cover all their expenses, with a small profit. Set up a vote website to decide each week's (or each night's :blob2: ) setlist. Go out there and have a killer time playing fresh, exciting music.

Again... it'll NEVER happen. :(

[dissention]

Oh yeah those other artists are real BRAVE :rolleyes: I saw Blondie on that show and what songs did they clearly scrrened the calls just like you're all saying the mac would. What songs were played on this all request show: Dreamin, Hangin on the Telophone, Gonna Get You, Call Me, Rapture, Heart of Glass, and a few songs from the new album. And I think there were 2 rarer songs. But Fleetwood Mac is doing a few VERY RARE songs on this tour. IKINW has NEVER ever been played live before. And i'd say it's pretty obscure. And guys have we already take for granted Beautiful Child. Seriously none of us could've ever DREAMED that thjis gem would EVER be played on Stage, but hey whipped it out for the SYW tour for us. And they even decided to keep it in for the 2nd leg. They took out A HIT of Stevie's and left in the OBSCURE song. They could've easiliy left in Gypsy and replaced Beautiful Child. But no they chucked Gypsy and kept BC. Doing it the other way around would've made the average fan happier. That was adecision for us.

One show out of countless shows does not a good argument make. And if you were a Blondie fan, you would've been surprised to have heard them play Undone and Accidents Never Happen. Did you see any other Live By Request shows? My guess is no because all the other artists I've seen have pulled songs out of their elbows for the viewers.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not going to wet myself because the Mac decided to play one rare song out of a setlist full of other tired hits. If they had done five or ten of said rare songs, my yap would be shut. But it was one. IKINW is nothing to scream about because they HAD to change the setlist is a very minor way because they knew they couldn't do good business with the same setlist.

[dissention]

When David Bowie went on one of his recent tours, he had to have a music geek teach him how to play some of his older tunes.

That's because unlike the Mac, Bowie mixes up his setlists almost every night and has refused to play a lot of his classics on a great number of his tours. I admire him greatly for that. And Tom Petty? His concerts are legendary. It's like going to see a three hour jam. His band just plays whatever they feel like playing, even classics from other artists. He has the most off-the-cuff stage presence of anyone I've ever seen and it's fantastic.

[dissention]

Most of the criticism isn't mutually exclusive. The set list is more than 20 songs nightly. They could change something every other show if not every night. They can still cover the Rumours standards and other radio hits, and please people tired of the same phoned in songs and performances.

Let's face it. This band really isn't interested in delivering freshness or taking chances. They either don't have the confidence, as some have said, or they don't give a ****. They just want the money.

When I hear or read Lindsey's comments against repeating oneself, which he still makes in almost every interview, I have to laugh. After seeing the magazine spread of his new house I put on the DR documentary for a good laugh. I especially get a kick out of the parts where he whines about loosing money for his artistic freedom.

I don't know how any band could tour for two years doing the same songs and the same scripted staging they did during the 7 year old reunion tour, and expect anyone to take them seriously. They're doing exactly what all oldies acts do, no matter how much they say they're not about that. As long as people will pay to see it they don't have to change a thing.

I'm not knocking fans who go to several shows and don't care about seeing the same exact thing each time. They just love the band and want to see them no matter what. I just get tired of band members saying they don't consider themselves an oldies act when they perform like one.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. Bravo. :thumbsup:

[Hawkeye]

even classics from other artists.

Oh that's just what I'd want to hear. Go to a Fleetwood Mac concert and hear some songs by The Eagles.

[Hawkeye]

You know what, Stella Buckingham might be to blame for the lack of new songs in the set. homegirl Cory said it herself, the band only rehearsed for 2 weeks instead of 3. Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Call me nostalgic...call it what you want...but I for one happen to really enjoy their set list...and I love hearing those old "tired" hits..night after night, it never gets old to me.

Chris

[dissention]

Oh that's just what I'd want to hear. Go to a Fleetwood Mac concert and hear some songs by The Eagles.

That's not the point. The point is, Petty and his band have the balls to go onstage, have a good time, and show their fans a good time. He just enjoys music and plays it until he's tired, resulting in marathon concerts. He still plays the hits, but he he gives the audience more than they paid for. They also NEVER charge more than $55 for a ticket, unlike the outrageous Mac prices that are motivated solely by greed. AND, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a Petty concertgoer that didn't know what they were getting into in going to see him.

[dissention]

Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

Yeah, and I just won the big jackpot in last nights lottery drawings. Maybe I can pay them to play those songs, green always seems to motivate them. :]

[hauntedsong16]

I honestly think they're trying to comprimise. I mean, it's only common sense that if you're going to tour, you want to please as many people as possible. To do that, you have to play the hits, because that's what the majority of people know. And they threw in a few sort of rare songs for the more hard core fans. I mean, yeah, we'd all love to hear the rare stuff, but it would be a dissapointment to most people. I'm frankly just happy they're touring. And yeah, the ticket prices are outrageous, but we are buying them, so...

Let's face it, this is their job. And if it was my job, I'd want to make as much money as I could, too. They're only human.

[Miranda]

You know what, Stella Buckingham might be to blame for the lack of new songs in the set. homegirl Cory said it herself, the band only rehearsed for 2 weeks instead of 3. Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

Right. I wouldn't doubt that's got a lot to do with it. Which is why I think Lindsey's attitude about taking risks and not repeating only applies when it suits his agenda in the studio. He wants to spew his propaganda so the serious music people won't think he's sold out, when in fact, he sold out a long time ago and refuses to admit it. If they didn't rehearse during the lay off that's ok if he's got other priorities.

Right now Lindsey's agenda is to make as much cash as necessary for his new family. I don't have a problem with that except when he implies he's the only one who cares about the music not the commerical gods. He's no less commercially motivated than anyone else including Mick. At least Mick is shameless about it and not hypocritical like Lindsey.

A reviewer of the Atlanta show mentioned Lindsey forgetting his Red Rover speech which proves he can't work on stage without a net. He wants everything scripted so he doesn't have to put out or think about it on stage. Stevie's also not into spontaneous things on stage anymore becasue she's probably limited by physical issues with her voice and mobility (bad hip.) I can cut her a break on that.

[Miranda]

I honestly think they're trying to comprimise. I mean, it's only common sense that if you're going to tour, you want to please as many people as possible. To do that, you have to play the hits, because that's what the majority of people know. And they threw in a few sort of rare songs for the more hard core fans. I mean, yeah, we'd all love to hear the rare stuff, but it would be a dissapointment to most people. I'm frankly just happy they're touring. And yeah, the ticket prices are outrageous, but we are buying them, so...

Let's face it, this is their job. And if it was my job, I'd want to make as much money as I could, too. They're only human.

I agree with you a little, but it's one thing to deliver the hits. It's another to just crank out identical performances of those songs every night right down to the scripted gestures and speeches. There's really no excuse for that except laziness or incompetence. If it works then beat it into the ground...hmmm...who's quoted as making fun of this statement in about a million interviews?

[hauntedsong16]

I agree with you a little, but it's one thing to deliver the hits. It's another to just crank out identical performances of those songs every night right down to the scripted gestures and speeches. There's really no excuse for that except laziness or incompetence. If it works then beat it into the ground...hmmm...who's quoted as making fun of this statement in about a million interviews?

I do agree with you on the fact that their performance is virtually identical each night. At LEAST change the speeches/gestures every now and then. But, other than that, I'm pretty happy with the set. They do put on a hell of a show.

[Hawkeye]

You knowyou y go to one show it seems like they're being spontainious. And what about Madison. Lindsey doing sit ups Stevie and Mick giving speeches without them being planned.

[Hippocampus]

They should take into account that a great majority of the people who go to their shows attend them over and over and over.

If you think fans like us comprise the majority of a FM concert audience then I believe you're completely off the mark. Judging by the sales of SYW, the band could never fill venues and charge high ticket prices with just the hardcore fanbase. We are but a drop in the ocean. There's no wondering why they are catering to the masses and delivering the hits.


It's the die-hards that put the cash in their pocketbooks and it must be just a tad boring and predictable for such a customer to go to 15 shows, only to hear the same tired songs.

If these customers are going to 15 shows on the same tour and complain about being bored well perhaps they need to find something else to occupy their evenings. You'd think they would get a clue that the setlist doesn't change at some point? Boredom in this case is self-inflicted.


Honestly, I wouldn't want to pay for more than one show if each one is going to be the same. I mean, everything in a Mac show is rehearsed, down to the number of footsteps that walk. Thank the lord that this is the last leg.

Agreed.

[Miranda]

You knowyou y go to one show it seems like they're being spontainious. And what about Madison. Lindsey doing sit ups Stevie and Mick giving speeches without them being planned.

Ohhh! That's one show I would've loved seeing. Everybody says they did a hell of a job staying on track with the technical problems. Fans and reviewers really got a kick out of the band's unplanned reactions.

It just proves the point. This band doesn't need to do a scripted show. They CAN be more spontaneous if they wanted too. They should loosen up and get rid of the security banket. The crowds will eat it up even more when they toss the canned movements and speeches.

Many performers interact with audiences but don't always do and say the exact same things nightly. High priced bands like FM should give the audience a sense it's seeing something special. Otherwise, before I pay their high ticket prices more than once, I'll put on The Dance video at home and save my cash to feed my own family not the bands'.

[dissention]

You knowyou y go to one show it seems like they're being spontainious. And what about Madison. Lindsey doing sit ups Stevie and Mick giving speeches without them being planned.

Wow. One show out of a hundred. :blob1:

[Miranda]

If these customers are going to 15 shows on the same tour and complain about being bored well perhaps they need to find something else to occupy their evenings. You'd think they would get a clue that the setlist doesn't change at some point? Boredom in this case is self-inflicted.




ITA! I could even live with a concrete set list if they'd lose the scripted interaction. If the band got more personal with the audience it would be a win-win. They would be on stage longer (oh no! more work for them!) but it would seem special for each show. It would also help the non die hard fans if they talked a little more and explained lesser known songs before playing them. That's the type of show they should be doing at this point rather than doing Rumours show #10,005.

[dissention]

If you think fans like us comprise the majority of a FM concert audience then I believe you're completely off the mark. Judging by the sales of SYW, the band could never fill venues and charge high ticket prices with just the hardcore fanbase. We are but a drop in the ocean. There's no wondering why they are catering to the masses and delivering the hits.

I would agree with you if we were talking about the first leg, but we're talking about markets that they've hit two, three, sometimes even four times.

If these customers are going to 15 shows on the same tour and complain about being bored well perhaps they need to find something else to occupy their evenings. You'd think they would get a clue that the setlist doesn't change at some point? Boredom in this case is self-inflicted.

I agree, which is why, as I said, I wouldn't pay to go to more than one show. Not only is it a waste of money, but it's a waste of time. Just pop a random bootleg into your stereo and you'll have saved a hundred bucks.

[dissention]

ITA! I could even live with a concrete set list if they'd lose the scripted interaction. If the band got more personal with the audience it would be a win-win. They would be on stage longer (oh no! more work for them!) but it would seem special for each show. It would also help the non die hard fans if they talked a little more and explained lesser known songs before playing them. That's the type of show they should be doing at this point rather than doing Rumours show #10,005.

You mean, they would have to can the Landslide hug and kiss?! NOOOOOOOO!!! The shippers would die. :rolleyes: No more speeches about cycles, either?! Or any robotic gestures from Lindsey and Stevie?!

Doesn't sound like a Mac show to moi. :xoxo:

[Miranda]

If you think fans like us comprise the majority of a FM concert audience then I believe you're completely off the mark. Judging by the sales of SYW, the band could never fill venues and charge high ticket prices with just the hardcore fanbase. We are but a drop in the ocean. There's no wondering why they are catering to the masses and delivering the hits.



The first part of your comment doesn't make sense to me. The fact that SYW hasn't sold even a million makes the point. The hard core fan base bought the new record. The masses didn't. Yet the band cranks out the oldies to please the people who only want Rumours, and not to please the fans who actually went out and supported the new cd? Seems like the usual oldies act to me.

[Miranda]

You mean, they would have to can the Landslide hug and kiss?! NOOOOOOOO!!! The shippers would die. :rolleyes: No more speeches about cycles, either?! Or any robotic gestures from Lindsey and Stevie?!

Doesn't sound like a Mac show to moi. :xoxo:

Who could live without talk of healing, too? :laugh:

Barrels of cash can bring about a boat load of healing! :lol:

[dissention]

Who could live without talk of healing, too? :laugh:

Barrels of cash can bring about a boat load of healing! :lol:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[diamondsnake]

a great majority of the people who go to their shows attend them over and over and over.

Maybe a half a percent of people at each show have seen the SYW tour more then once, I'd bet. So, if I was Fleetwood Mac I would please the 99.5 percent that are seeing it for the first time.

[dissention]

Maybe a half a percent of people at each show have seen the SYW tour more then once, I'd bet. So, if I was Fleetwood Mac I would please the 99.5 percent that are seeing it for the first time.

For some reason, I highly doubt that. :rolleyes:

[Hippocampus]

The first part of your comment doesn't make sense to me. The fact that SYW hasn't sold even a million makes the point. The hard core fan base bought the new record. The masses didn't. Yet the band cranks out the oldies to please the people who only want Rumours, and not to please the fans who actually went out and supported the new cd? Seems like the usual oldies act to me.


Here's what I meant. With the sales of SYW being a disappointment, it's getting pretty obvious that the hardcore fanbase is shrinking and that we're not the ones who are filling the arenas. So the band plays what works for the majority: mostly hits & Rumours (and a static setlist). This isn't about being artistic and taking chances, it's about being commercial and giving the crowds what they want. It's... ahem... business savvy. ;)

[ryan8472]

Well, you've all basically summed up all of my feelings on the topic, but I'll go ahead anyways. The band is afraid that the $$$ will stop flowing in if they don't play the hits. Which is a bunch of ****, frankly. In fact, they'd probably make more money if people knew that it wouldn't be the same worn-out show EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. Look at the Grateful Dead as an example. My father followed them around for years because the setlist was never the same from night to night and he loved the music. FM would never do that, ever. And the excuses that either, A.) They've never done a song live before, or B.) It hasn't been played in a long long time, are **** as well. They wrote the damn songs for cripes sake! But now they can't remember how to play them? C'mon. I know they did waaaaay too many narcotics in the 70's/80's, but still!

Basically, I'm really not that angry at the band, in fact I'm glad they are even still around! I just wished they'd have some damn balls.

[diamondsnake]

For some reason, I highly doubt that. :rolleyes:

You can make those little :eek: :p things all you like, but the fact is tens of thousnads of people can show up for each show and I bet only a hundred or so are groupie types. Most likely less. People here on the ledge and burnish, etc. are like some of the most scarily obsessed FM fans and only a few dozen seem to go to several shows or jet to different cities and do the groupie thing, right? I mean, not a whole lot of us go to tons of SYW shows even though we are pretty huge fanatics. Never mind, I am reading this whole thing back and I don't even understand it. I just really don't think many people go these shows multiple times.

[Miranda]

Basically, I'm really not that angry at the band, in fact I'm glad they are even still around! I just wished they'd have some damn balls.

Same here. :thumbsup:

[dissention]

You can make those little :eek: :p things all you like, but the fact is tens of thousnads of people can show up for each show and I bet only a hundred or so are groupie types. Most likely less. People here on the ledge and burnish, etc. are like some of the most scarily obsessed FM fans and only a few dozen seem to go to several shows or jet to different cities and do the groupie thing, right? I mean, not a whole lot of us go to tons of SYW shows even though we are pretty huge fanatics. Never mind, I am reading this whole thing back and I don't even understand it. I just really don't think many people go these shows multiple times.

I hate to break it to ya, but these message boards are not representative of all the die-hard Mac fans out there. You can speak of how the people who frequent these boards attend concerts, but they simply aren't a reliable scale for the folks that actually go to these concerts. Sorry, but the casual fans will only go to about one show and when the Mac keeps extending their tour and hits the same markets almost four times, there's a large majority of people who are going to the shows because they're big fans and have probably already seen them. Going to the same area so many times is not going to bring in the regular joes off the streets. And if you don't think the folks around these parts go to the shows numerous times, you need to read some of these posts, man. And you haven't even been to a show yet, so how can you really say?

[Miranda]

You can make those little :eek: :p things all you like, but the fact is tens of thousnads of people can show up for each show and I bet only a hundred or so are groupie types. Most likely less. People here on the ledge and burnish, etc. are like some of the most scarily obsessed FM fans and only a few dozen seem to go to several shows or jet to different cities and do the groupie thing, right? I mean, not a whole lot of us go to tons of SYW shows even though we are pretty huge fanatics. Never mind, I am reading this whole thing back and I don't even understand it. I just really don't think many people go these shows multiple times.

Yes. I hear you and I agree. The point, for me, isn't going to multiple shows and seeing the same thing. I've only been to one show. The point is...this lineup of Fleetwood Mac has been around for 30 years. They're still a good live act. They've got a huge catalog of great music. Why play the same safe things every night? Why have a script of sayings and staging that you hardly deviate from? The only reason I can think of is that this is what makes THEM comfortable...for whatever reason. It's too bad they don't want to take more chances or make some changes. That's all. Notice when DLMDA didn't work they went back to something they'd already done instead of trying something else that was different. I give them credit for trying DLMDA. I also give them a raspberry for going back to what worked before once they decided to drop it.

[joe]

You know what, Stella Buckingham might be to blame for the lack of new songs in the set. homegirl Cory said it herself, the band only rehearsed for 2 weeks instead of 3. Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.


but they've been on the road for a year now playing the same setlist. they took barely a month off and then went into rehearsals again. i mean, that set must be so permanently engrained in their heads. what the hell do they need to rehearse after having a month off for? ok, so they needed two weeks to rehearse "6" new songs that they were going to add? that seems like a lot of time for such a small number of songs.

[gldstwmn]

You've got to be kidding me. :mad:

So now we're down to only IKINW, Sara, and Red Rover as the only changes from a setlist that has been played over 100 times? This is ridiculous.

I might just be done with this tour.

While last night's show in Atlanta was superb, with the exception of the songs previously mentioned, this could have been the show I saw a year ago.

[diamondsnake]

I hate to break it to ya, but these message boards are not representative of all the die-hard Mac fans out there. You can speak of how the people who frequent these boards attend concerts, but they simply aren't a reliable scale for the folks that actually go to these concerts. Sorry, but the casual fans will only go to about one show and when the Mac keeps extending their tour and hits the same markets almost four times, there's a large majority of people who are going to the shows because they're big fans and have probably already seen them. Going to the same area so many times is not going to bring in the regular joes off the streets. And if you don't think the folks around these parts go to the shows numerous times, you need to read some of these posts, man. And you haven't even been to a show yet, so how can you really say?

Actually, I have been to two SYW shows. This week I am going to two more, so it will be four total.

I know that a lot of people on this board go to several shows, but there are only a few that are going to a lot of shows. And it is insane for those few out of hundreds of thousands that have seen the SYW tour the last year or so to expect a different/rare setlist each night just because they have heard the setlist so many times. Maybe if they limited their concert going to a few shows a tour they wouldn't get as bored with the setlist?

And it is not like this is soley a greatest hits show. From the 18 songs on the new album, 9 have been played live. And a bunch of gems like BC, EOTW, IKINW, and even Sara have been given new life.

I don't want this to turn into a heated debate, because obviously you are older and wiser. I just think some of you expect too much. FM charges a hundred bucks for tickets because... they can!!! They are only human!!! I would too, because I love money!!! I think most people think that. Why do they do they play mainly hits? Because they want the majority of people to be happy. It is sort of sad that when they play their new stuff they hardly get any applause. But they bring down the house with GDW and GYOW. So obviously, they are going to be played. They want the audience to be into the show. I would too.

And I don't think anyone can accuse them of "selling out". They spent years in the studio creating an experimental album and invested a ton of money in that. If they were just a nostalgia act, they wouldn't even bother.

Maybe some of you guys need a break from FM.

Here is a smiley to lighten the mood of my bitchy post: :]

[gldstwmn]

good point...i find it very hard to believe that a 37 year old band, (ok, 29 year old, since basically everything up till 1975 has been null and void for some time now) has to rely on one album to deliver the goods. They (Lindsey mostly) complained in the past about being part of the "machinery" but they're the ones now that are totally running those "machines". And it's complete with assembly line workers and time clocks. By the way, is Stevie still sporting that Rolex???

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I think that was a Cartier and thank you, Jesus, it's gone. It used to bug the hell out of me seeing someone like her wear a watch on stage. As for hits, they certainly have plenty of hits to mix up. How about tweaking the arrangements a little? They're only playing one song from Tango and why not play Freedom or Affairs Of The Heart? :shrug: Plug Big Love in. Play Caroline or TITTN. :confused: They've got two drummers, three, sometimes four (depending on what Brett's playing) guitar players and a master percussionist on stage with them. It would be incredible. It sure would be fun to hear Trouble or Countdown again too. Fall From Grace or Everybody Finds Out would kick instead of Rhiannon or Stand Back. I love that song (SB) but it has been on every single tour since Wild Heart.

[gldstwmn]

Most likely, the band members are the same types of people that, if concertgoers themselves, expect to hear hit songs from their idols. I've actually heard Stevie admit this herself (not in those exact words). Therefore, it completely makes sense to them.



You've got to admit though, she changes her set list more than FM. On Enchanted, she really mixed it up. Who EVER expected to hear Sleeping Angel or Twisted live?

[gldstwmn]

You know what, Stella Buckingham might be to blame for the lack of new songs in the set. homegirl Cory said it herself, the band only rehearsed for 2 weeks instead of 3. Who knows maybe in that extra week they would've rehearsed Sisters of the Moon or Storms or Illume or Everybody Finds Out.

Rehearsed them, yeah. Played them before a live audience, no. These people have been in a band together for almost thirty years. They are in the highest eschelon of their business. It shouldn't be that much trouble for them to play their catalogue. It's not like someone else wrote all those songs and produced and arranged them. They did.

[gldstwmn]

That's not the point. The point is, Petty and his band have the balls to go onstage, have a good time, and show their fans a good time. He just enjoys music and plays it until he's tired, resulting in marathon concerts. He still plays the hits, but he he gives the audience more than they paid for. They also NEVER charge more than $55 for a ticket, unlike the outrageous Mac prices that are motivated solely by greed. AND, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a Petty concertgoer that didn't know what they were getting into in going to see him.

It's part of the reason their shows sell out so consistently.

[gldstwmn]

Notice when DLMDA didn't work they went back to something they'd already done instead of trying something else that was different. I give them credit for trying DLMDA. I also give them a raspberry for going back to what worked before once they decided to drop it.

Personally, I think that song should have been given a chance of more than one night. :shrug:

[Hawkeye]

here's a little something I pulled from the archives Dissention. I found it intresting. I'll highlight what I found the most intresting.



I just got back from the most amazing concert EVER. They pulled out all the stops tonight, folks! Stevie was WILD, Lindsey was WILDER!
So, I get into Boston around 4pm with my mother. She loves the Mac, too, and I had an extra ticket so I figured I'd let her come. LOL I'm looking around for a good place to get some grub and I come across a Chinese restaurant. It's name? Shangri-La! I had to eat there.

Parking was a real bitch and the Big Dig in Boston really f*cked up the traffic, so I finally got to the Fleet Center around 6:30. I quickly smuggled two disposables cameras (one in my crotch, the other in a box of wipes for glasses!) and whipped out my front row tickets! I bought a tour book (whoever said it sucks is full of hot-air!), some keychains, a shirt, and a lame-ass poster that I just had to get anyway.

On the way to my seats, I was in an elevator with a woman who got ripped off really badly for tickets. She paid $700 for two tix for the floor, but was 15 rows back from the stage! I felt so sorry for the thing.

So, I get to my seats and they are three feet from the goddam stage!! I was on Stevie's side, so I reached up and felt the ribbons and beads on her mic stand! Nothing special, just velvet and nylon. They were setting up the cameras for the taping and I found out that it is for the Soundstage series. Hopefully that doesn't me it'll get cut down to an hour, because this show kicked MAJOR ASS!

The show was supposed to start at 8pm, but didn't start until 8:30 because they wer ehaving difficulties with some cameras. Each time a tech guy walked out onto the stage, the audience thought it was a band member and started cheering. But finally, it started....

The Chain- Stevie stole the spotlight with this one. She really got into it, especially the third verse. She didn't really spin, but made up for it later. Lindsey had a HUGE smile on.

Dreams- Same as always, except Lindsey wouldn't look at Stevie during the song!

Peacekeeper- They have this down pat. The new back-up singer added a great new dimension to this song, IMO. She really lifted it up. Stevie made a few funny faces during it and Lindsey did the same to her.

Eyes of the World- EVRYONE KNEW THIS SONG AND SANG ALONG! My heart palpitated! Stevie went wild with the background vocals, she let loose. Lindsey BELTED it out with gusto.

Say You Will- Cute! I love her dance during this song, it's adorable.

Second Hand News- Great, but I was singing so loudly that I couldn't hear them.

NGBA- Beautiful. Lindsey whispered the lyrics practically. It had a harmony that I never thought I'd hear; it was amazing.

Rhiannon- This is where Stevie really started to realize it was being filmed and began to vamp it up! She was screaming and hollering at the end of it. She just kept going and going.

Come- The biggest applause of the night. Lindsey was in ecstasy. Once again, I was amazed that everyone knew the words. When it was over, someone screamed "I'm doing it!!" and Lindsey laughed.

Stevie went over to change shawls for Gypsy, but did it right onstage! She took off her cardigan and revealed some sexy spagetti straps... And Mama Nicks has some MAJOR cleavage. Take it from someone who's seen it close-up, MAJOR!!

Gypsy- AWESOME! She sang the high parts and EVERYTHING. She sang "Bright eyes" quite a bit, too! She was pointing at us in the front row and then pointed right at me and smiled! I smiled back...sweetly.

Big Love- Gorgeous. Lindsey seemed disappointed that it ended! LOL

Landslide- The *SHOCK* of the night!!!!!!!!!!! Stevie started to say that she chose the Boston shows and tapings to reveal a secret to us all and that it would only be told to us at the Boston shows. When it was time for the dedication, she explained. She was dedicating it to LINDSEY and that she wrote it about him!!! She then said that he taught her how to play it with a pick and that she loves him. Lindsey was sort of shaking his head towards Stevie in a discreet way, trying to hide it from the audience. She smiled back at him as he shook his head ever so slightly and...a tear slid down his cheek. Yes, a tear, NOT SWEAT, people!! He turned his back to the audience and wiped it off, shook his head, flipped back around, and started playing. I started to cry myself. It was a beautiful moment. When Stevie went over to him during his solo, she stood behind him as usual with her hands on his shoulders, but as she did that, he gently closed his eyes and nodded. When the song was over, they just stared at each other for a moment, as if it was a really awkward moment. So beautiful.

Say Goodbye- They never took their eyes off of each other for a moment. Stevie shined with her vocals, so soft and delicate.

WTWCT- AWESOME. Lindsey's best vocal of the night. Mick really got into it. Actually, the whole band did. It was great.

Beautiful Child- Heartbreaking. Stevie went wild with it towards the end. Instead of the usual "I love you, I love you" she sang "I love you, I still need you, I need you, I love you." But she hit notes that sent shivers. She really cut loose like never before on that song, dragging out each line with power.

GDW- WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! A woman possessed. Not only did she wail more than on the Dance, but she was kicking her feet into the air and punching her fist into the air. She kicked so much and so high that...I saw her bloomers. I'm not proud, but I did. Black, for those who are curious. Anyways, she went mental. She knew this was on camera and pushed herself to the limit, vocally and physically. I've never seen it performed so well and I probably never will again. Of every song tonight, this was her in all her glory, bloomers and all.
I'm So Afraid- Lindsey was having such a great time on this song that he did it longer than usual. He was going nuts with his guitar, acting like he was going to break it by smashing it. When he crouched down at the edge of the stage, everyone rushed and touched his shoes. He loved the attention, BTW.

Silver Springs- I almost forgot this! She killed it. It was simply amazing. She kicked it into high gear at the end. Screaming and wailing at Lindsey.

Stand Back- Once again, she knew she was being filmed and danced her heart out. She did a lot of impromptu stuff and pranced around the stage like a wildcat. She went over to every back-up band member and danced for them! Awesome. Oh, and Lindsey did the chicken dance during the intro. I was like, "WTF?!"

Tusk- One of my faves. Not only did Stevie and Lindsey pretend to have a fistfight, but...they wrapped their arms around each other, put their heads together, and slow-danced for a hot minute. They just embraced each other and practically stood there, clutching each other. Then they seemed to realize they were in the middle of the song and started back up again.

GYOW- Another standard, but worth its weight in gold. It was flawless.

World Turning- My BIG moment with Lindsey and Stevie!!! Lindsey came over to our side and got as close to us as possible. He kneeled and extended his guitar for us to strum Of course, I pounced on him and started strumming like a nut. He found it amusing and toussled my hair! So...I toussled his right back! I nearly died. Stevie saw this and pointed at us and smiled! I started to withdraw, but he grabbed my habd, put it back onto the guitar, and banged it up and down on the strings!! I was in heaven...

Don't Stop- I got the eyes from Stevie during this one. She looked at me right before the "All I want is to see you smile..." and played air guitar, in reference to my "incident" with Lindsey! Wooohooo! Awesome version, too.

Goodbye Baby- The joint was silent. Stevie had tears in her eyes and looked out at the audience with a loving expression. I cried.

It was the night of my life. I was right there, so I took some HOT pictures!! If they develop good, they will be some great shots; I got them at great moments. I'll post 'em as soon as I get them back from CVS! Look forward to the PBS show, because this concert will *astound* you. Stevie was the Stevie from yesteryear; she was unbelievable. And she is GORGEOUS in person. Also, the camera does add ten pounds. She's a skinny mini, IMO. Absolutely stunning. If I can think of anyhting else, I post it; I'm still excited and can't think to write anyhting else LOL.

[dissention]

here's a little something I pulled from the archives Dissention. I found it intresting. I'll highlight what I found the most intresting.

And...your point? That was the only show I attended last year and I won the tickets from the radio, I didn't shell out any more money to see the same setlist and the same performance at another show. Of course the first show you see is going to be fresh and I suspect that this one was more so because it was being filmed for PBS and the DVD. On this leg, I'm going to two shows; I paid for a lawn seat and then a week later someone gave me a ticket for a show the next night. I'm not going to pass up a free ticket, even though hearing Rhiannon or Big Love for the millionth time live will probably annoy the hell outta me. The dominant theme throughout this entire thread is that the Mac needs to stop touring as a greatest hits act. Yeah, there are plenty of hits, but gawd, they've been playing the same hits for thirty years. When are they ever going to go out on a limb and really wow us? Probably never, but we have every right to bitch about it until they do. We are the customers, after all, and they are the product.

[dissention]

I know that a lot of people on this board go to several shows, but there are only a few that are going to a lot of shows. And it is insane for those few out of hundreds of thousands that have seen the SYW tour the last year or so to expect a different/rare setlist each night just because they have heard the setlist so many times. Maybe if they limited their concert going to a few shows a tour they wouldn't get as bored with the setlist?

Like I said, I would agree if this was the first leg of the tour. Unfortunately, it's not. The people that are attending their concerts this time around are the diehards who ahve have seen them before. They've been in these same markets three times, sometimes four; it would be insane to think that the people who are going to these new concerts are the casual fans. I suspect that when the latest ticket sales are made public, you'll see that.

And it is not like this is soley a greatest hits show. From the 18 songs on the new album, 9 have been played live. And a bunch of gems like BC, EOTW, IKINW, and even Sara have been given new life.

Of course it is. By the same token you could say that the Dance wasn't a greatest hits tour because they played new songs. But that's ludicrous. At the rate that this band drops their new songs, it's a wonder that any of them are still being played. They played every hit song at every show, with the exception of Chris' tunes. Sara has been played many, many times before, so it didn't take a lot of work to resurrect it. EOTW has been done before. I'm forever grateful for Beautiful Child, though; that's an amazing live song.

I don't want this to turn into a heated debate, because obviously you are older and wiser. I just think some of you expect too much. FM charges a hundred bucks for tickets because... they can!!! They are only human!!! I would too, because I love money!!! I think most people think that. Why do they do they play mainly hits? Because they want the majority of people to be happy. It is sort of sad that when they play their new stuff they hardly get any applause. But they bring down the house with GDW and GYOW. So obviously, they are going to be played. They want the audience to be into the show. I would too.

Yeah, and some of us who are older and wiser think that that's a ****ty attitude to have when it comes to money. Maybe the supermarkets should raise the price of a dozen eggs to $10. After all, they can, they're only human, and they love money. Christ, it's obvious that the ticket prices are going to be pricey, but they don't even lower them in markets they've already hit. That smacks of greed.

And I don't think anyone can accuse them of "selling out". They spent years in the studio creating an experimental album and invested a ton of money in that. If they were just a nostalgia act, they wouldn't even bother.?

I never said they've "sold out," they've always been a corporate band, the 2000's ain't gonna change that. But the new album certainly gave them a reason to tour. They'll have a couple of new songs to play and that'll get the diehards in the seats pronto, and they'll have their old stuff to play and that'll get the casual fans in the seats. And I fail to see how the album was experimental. A few of Lindsey's songs were off the wall, but the album certainly wasn't experiemental.

Maybe some of you guys need a break from FM.

Why, because we criticize the setlist? How patently absurd.

[CarneVaca]

I've got one word: Cracker.

I've seen this band more than any other performer. I've seen them on back-to-back nights. I've seen them in New York on Wednesday and Boston on Friday.

Each time, and I mean every single time, the show is different. They don't even use a setlist. Ever.

At most they'll play three or four songs in the same sequence from one night to the next. I've seen them open up with one of their sloooooowest numbers, and still get the crowd in a tizzy when they break into the second, faster number. I've seen them do mostly country stuff for the first half hour of a show and still bring the crowd along. Hell, once they stopped in the middle of a six-minute slow song because singer/guitarist David Lowery said he lost his place in the song. Then they started the whole song over again! Later on that same show, they screwed up "Euro-Trash Girl," another long-ass number and one of their bigger hits. But this time, rather than start over, they broke into a Camper Van Beethoven ska instrumental. Now that's taking risks!

Showmanship. Spontaneity. That's what the Mac needs.

[Livia]

I've got one word: Cracker.

I've got 2 more words: Grateful Dead - I've never been a huge fan of theirs, but they were notorious for never playing the same show twice - hence the dead-head following from show to show....or wait, those folks were homeless, right? ;)

[dissention]

It's part of the reason their shows sell out so consistently.

And rightfully so. Out of every artist out there, Tom Petty has the most integrity. No one really compares to him, he's a legend, at least in my eyes.

[chiliD]

I've got 2 more words: Grateful Dead - I've never been a huge fan of theirs, but they were notorious for never playing the same show twice - hence the dead-head following from show to show....or wait, those folks were homeless, right? ;)

And, I think the Allman Brothers Band has carried the torch that was passed when Jerry Garcia passed away. They RARELY play the same set EVER.

Little Feat is the same way, too. Completely different set night to night.

[David]

And rightfully so. Out of every artist out there, Tom Petty has the most integrity. No one really compares to him, he's a legend, at least in my eyes.
And Petty is not afraid to downplay his megastardom by playing small venues & launching tours without quite so much pomp & circumstance, which is something Fleetwood Mac would have to do if they want to approach the concert experience on entirely different terms.

You can't give it up like Cracker or the Grateful Dead if you trumpet your worldwide tour with the sort of heraldry usually reserved for royalty. If you want to play on a more elemental level & toss new ideas around, you probably need to ditch your million-dollar guarantees & your exorbitant ticket prices & all the rest of the brouhaha.

[dissention]

And Petty is not afraid to downplay his megastardom by playing small venues & launching tours without quite so much pomp & circumstance, which is something Fleetwood Mac would have to do if they want to approach the concert experience on entirely different terms.

Very well put, David. ;)

You can't give it up like Cracker or the Grateful Dead if you trumpet your worldwide tour with the sort of heraldry usually reserved for royalty. If you want to play on a more elemental level & toss new ideas around, you probably need to ditch your million-dollar guarantees & your exorbitant ticket prices & all the rest of the brouhaha.

That would never happen. Being in Fleetwood Mac is all about getting the royal treatment; they can't ditch the luxury suites or the private massages. They can't live in poverty, man.

[wondergirl9847]

I think that solo tours are easier for them both to squirrel around with. :shrug: During the OOTC tour, Lindsey shook the setlist up a bit. Stevie did some rare stuff on the, was it...Enchanted (?) tour. But, with Fleetwood Mac, they are expected to do a certain setlist. WTH they give two shiz's about people who aren't even real FANS, I'll NEVER know. :distress:

[CarneVaca]

And Petty is not afraid to downplay his megastardom by playing small venues & launching tours without quite so much pomp & circumstance, which is something Fleetwood Mac would have to do if they want to approach the concert experience on entirely different terms.

You can't give it up like Cracker or the Grateful Dead if you trumpet your worldwide tour with the sort of heraldry usually reserved for royalty. If you want to play on a more elemental level & toss new ideas around, you probably need to ditch your million-dollar guarantees & your exorbitant ticket prices & all the rest of the brouhaha.

True, David, very true. And come to think of it, even the Stones still give in to a healthy level of spontaneity in their shows. And their supporting band is even bigger than FM's. Talk about rock royalty! Their last tour was especially cool from a performance standpoint, if not from a ticket price perspective, because they did small venues too.

When I saw them in 1998 (or 99?) they were doing songs requested by fans through the Internet. Hey, they added Gimme Shelter to the regular setlist because it was always being requested. I believe the night I saw them, they played Factory Girl! Think about that! Factory Girl. That had to come from some diehard fans.

Fleetwood Mac needs spontaneity and stage courage.

[HomerMcvie]

WTH they give two shiz's about people who aren't even real FANS, I'll NEVER know.
$$$$$ greed $$$$$

[cliffdweller]

this is unbelievable....looks like we are slowly migrating to the set list of yore - according to a review on Mick's board, they dropped "destiny rules" inserted "say you will" back in.

this is really pissing me off slowly. i can just see "sara" getting dumped soon.

:mad: I am truly pissed. Why did I even bother with tickets this
summer? :(

[CarneVaca]

I think that solo tours are easier for them both to squirrel around with. :shrug: During the OOTC tour, Lindsey shook the setlist up a bit.

Christy, this is true, but he still played The Chain, Go Your Own Way, Tusk, Save Me a Place, Big Love and I'm So Afraid. I think it would have been OK to drop I'm So Afraid (sorry, I know you love that song) and The Chain.

Go Your Own Way and Tusk were fine because they are his signature songs. But he still relied too much on the FM catalogue, though he can be forgiven for Big Love and Save Me a Place. Both were done in fresh, exciting ways that sounded like new songs. Numbers from Go Insane (except for the reworked title track) and Law and Order were noticeably absent. He should have done at least one or two more from each album. Trouble was the only song from Law and Order.

Be that as it may, I am not really complaining about that show because it remains the best show I have ever seen. The only other shows that come close are one by the Stones and a few Cracker concerts. (Cracker is always kick-ass. I have never seen this band do anything less than 200 percent in their performances.) I was merely pointing out that falling back on the standards seems to be ingrained in Lindsey's very fiber. I think that he could have eschewed most of the FM stuff for his solo tour. After all, he had broken with the band and he was on this doing-what-I-want kick.

[joe]

I've got one word: Cracker.

I've seen this band more than any other performer. I've seen them on back-to-back nights. I've seen them in New York on Wednesday and Boston on Friday.

Each time, and I mean every single time, the show is different. They don't even use a setlist. Ever.

At most they'll play three or four songs in the same sequence from one night to the next. I've seen them open up with one of their sloooooowest numbers, and still get the crowd in a tizzy when they break into the second, faster number. I've seen them do mostly country stuff for the first half hour of a show and still bring the crowd along. Hell, once they stopped in the middle of a six-minute slow song because singer/guitarist David Lowery said he lost his place in the song. Then they started the whole song over again! Later on that same show, they screwed up "Euro-Trash Girl," another long-ass number and one of their bigger hits. But this time, rather than start over, they broke into a Camper Van Beethoven ska instrumental. Now that's taking risks!

Showmanship. Spontaneity. That's what the Mac needs.

i don't expect this from FM....even in their earlier days i don't think they were this spontaneous. but if 10% of that leaked into macland we'd have a start.

[gldstwmn]

And, I think the Allman Brothers Band has carried the torch that was passed when Jerry Garcia passed away. They RARELY play the same set EVER.

Little Feat is the same way, too. Completely different set night to night.
Yup. Saw The Allman's on two consecutive nights a few years back and saw two completely different shows.

[cliffdweller]

That's because unlike the Mac, Bowie mixes up his setlists almost every night and has refused to play a lot of his classics on a great number of his tours.

Exactly.

For many years has he refused to play the classics. He just recently started playing the popular stuff from the 70's, and the Let's Dance era! I almost lost my sh*t when I heard that he played Modern Love at one of the shows on this tour.

David rocks. No two ways about it.

[dissention]

Exactly.

For many years has he refused to play the classics. He just recently started playing the popular stuff from the 70's, and the Let's Dance era! I almost lost my sh*t when I heard that he played Modern Love at one of the shows on this tour.

David rocks. No two ways about it.

:nod: :nod: :nod:

I would've paid $125 just to see him perform that song!!!

He's coming back to my area later this summer and I'm going to get down on my knees and pray that he plays it. HOWEVER - if he played Beauty and the Beast, I'd have a stroke!!!!!!!!

[cliffdweller]

:nod: :nod: :nod:

HOWEVER - if he played Beauty and the Beast, I'd have a stroke!!!!!!!!


:laugh:

You know, I haven't been pleasantly surprised by a live show in a long time. Thank you David Bowie, thank you for renewing my faith in older artists who obviously rock, but who also take chances and fight the good fight to remain relevant, fresh, and cutting edge, and who would rather retire than grow stale and boring.

But then again, Bowie fans expect nothing less. Bowie has always embraced change and changeability. Fleetwood Mac is a whole different animal... at least with regard to their live shows. I think SYW is a very fresh, creative album for the most part, now if we could just hear some of it live!

[wondergirl9847]

Christy, this is true, but he still played The Chain, Go Your Own Way, Tusk, Save Me a Place, Big Love and I'm So Afraid. I think it would have been OK to drop I'm So Afraid (sorry, I know you love that song) and The Chain.

I have to admit, my least fave ISA's are on the OOTC tour.

Are you :shocked: ? LOL

Yeah, he did half FM songs and half solo songs. He could have done more solo stuff, I agree. OMG, Shadow of the West, Slow Dancing, Loving Cup....OH YEAH!!!!

[dissention]

:laugh:

You know, I haven't been pleasantly surprised by a live show in a long time. Thank you David Bowie, thank you for renewing my faith in older artists who obviously rock, but who also take chances and fight the good fight to remain relevant, fresh, and cutting edge, and who would rather retire than grow stale and boring.

But then again, Bowie fans expect nothing less. Bowie has always embraced change and changeability. Fleetwood Mac is a whole different animal... at least with regard to their live shows. I think SYW is a very fresh, creative album for the most part, now if we could just hear some of it live!

Bowie simply rocks. His mix contest rocked, even though I had a hard time making one. :laugh: He has always embraced the cutting edge stuff. He was even one the first artists to embrace XM Radio and the internet. And I LOVE how he lets people bootleg his stuff. At the last show I went to, the guy in front of me was holding up his recorder in the air towards the stage and it was the only the third row. :shocked: Bowie just encourages the love of music and I find that utterly fantastic.

And just look at his albums. He doesn't slack off. He practically releases them every year these days and they get better and better. I mean, Heathen? Reality? We're talking masterpieces here.

PS: If he can have the audacity to release Beauty and the Beast as a single, he can certainly have the audacity to open a show with it!! :nod:

[snwriter]

I agree about FM's set in stone ways about the set list and ESPECIALLY Lindsey's speeches and SN and LB's stage antics (hugging at the same time every show, etc). But I disagree about the concert prices and I'm no millionaire. Tom Petty can charge half of what FM does because it's Tom Petty people are paying to see. FM is primarily a band and Stevie and Lindsey get paid as equally as John and Mick. Taint so with TP's Heartbreakers, they're (like the E Street Band) just backing musicians. I gladly pay extra for FM to see the interplay between equal stars (well maybe not in John's case).

[dissention]

I agree about FM's set in stone ways about the set list and ESPECIALLY Lindsey's speeches and SN and LB's stage antics (hugging at the same time every show, etc). But I disagree about the concert prices and I'm no millionaire. Tom Petty can charge half of what FM does because it's Tom Petty people are paying to see. FM is primarily a band and Stevie and Lindsey get paid as equally as John and Mick. Taint so with TP's Heartbreakers, they're (like the E Street Band) just backing musicians. I gladly pay extra for FM to see the interplay between equal stars (well maybe not in John's case).

Foul. :lol: ( ;) Jason!)

People pay to see Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Heartbreakers get a big chunk of the change. Yet, for some reason, even with the low, low ticket prices, Petty still walks away with millions.

And Mick and John don't get nearly as much as Stevie and Linds. I doubt they even make $75,000 each every show. I don't know the exact figures, but they get much less than the two "stars."

[snwriter]

Well, Stevie and Lindsey separately (and I'm fully aware of both of their flaws) are more exciting than Petty (and I have all TP's albums--he's pretty boring in concert and his voice ain't the best). So, even having just them (SN and LB) BOTH on the same stage is worth double the Petty tix price. Tho I agree, FM can take a page from the TP book and juggle the content of the shows.

[dissention]

Well, Stevie and Lindsey separately (and I'm fully aware of both of their flaws) are more exciting than Petty (and I have all TP's albums--he's pretty boring in concert and his voice ain't the best). So, even having just them (SN and LB) BOTH on the same stage is worth double the Petty tix price. Tho I agree, FM can take a page from the TP book and juggle the content of the shows.

Really? I think he comes alive in concert. The last Petty show I saw was over three hours and the guy just kept going and going and going. I totally love him!! :xoxo:

[hayley]

I totally agree about Petty RULING in concert... I've seen him so many times, most recently in Chicago at the Vic, where he played a five night stand that was absolutely electrifiying. I also disagree about the Heartbreakers, they are more than just a backing band. That show goes from being great to f-ing amazing with musicians like Mike Campbell and Benmont Tench.

[joe]

Really? I think he comes alive in concert. The last Petty show I saw was over three hours and the guy just kept going and going and going.

so, at the next FM show we expect them to sing the first few lines of "the chain", when all of a sudden, the pink tom petty energizer comes sliding out.....

:laugh:

[estranged4life]

True, David, very true. And come to think of it, even the Stones still give in to a healthy level of spontaneity in their shows. And their supporting band is even bigger than FM's. Talk about rock royalty! Their last tour was especially cool from a performance standpoint, if not from a ticket price perspective, because they did small venues too.

When I saw them in 1998 (or 99?) they were doing songs requested by fans through the Internet. Hey, they added Gimme Shelter to the regular setlist because it was always being requested. I believe the night I saw them, they played Factory Girl! Think about that! Factory Girl. That had to come from some diehard fans.

Fleetwood Mac needs spontaneity and stage courage.

this past tour and it was indeed a show with lots of spontaneity, And the opening act was Ryan Adams (Who most of the OKC crowd did not seem to know when he first took the stage but was giving him a standing ovation when he finished his set by tossing his guitar high in the air and letting it splat the ground. No thank yous for the audience from Mr.Adams & band in a very punkish way...A Very rocking set!)

I liked how the Stones chose a specific album each night to highight from their careers (ON Jan.28,2003 it was "Exile On Main Street"...Loved hearing "Sweet Virginia", "Loving Cup" & "Rocks Off" live! I was personally disappointed though that "Gimme Shelter" was skipped on this night, But in favor of the Dylan classic "Like A Rolling Stone" it was a fair tradeoff) wished the Mac could/would do the same with highlighting a specfic album (Wait, they do..."Rumours" every night, How could I forget, LOL!!!).

Definitely a great show for the $56.25 I paid for my ticket the day of the show (My ticket was in the $150 section even though the price was reduced). Btw the Stones merchandise was much cheaper and of a better quality overall than FM's...

[Livia]

Carne - check your pm's. :p

[stefan]

this past tour and it was indeed a show with lots of spontaneity,
I liked how the Stones chose a specific album each night to highight from their careers (ON Jan.28,2003 it was "Exile On Main Street"...Loved hearing "Sweet Virginia", "Loving Cup" & "Rocks Off" live! ...

Well that`s a new info for me. I think they have become their own revival band. At the Urban Jungle tour 89 they played a lot of material from their current album Steel wheels. The album was in the focus of the show and of course there were lots of other songs from the 80`s to the 60`s too.

In 1994 they only had I think 3 new songs in their setlist from their current album. The rest was the greatest hits catalogue. I wasn't really pleased with that approach but still visited the show.

In 1998 or 99 as the Internet vote rubbish began they just did the Greatest hits catalogue. Every moron voted for Satisfaction and that f.e. is a song that I don`t want to hear ever again because it has been played a trazillion times. Be that as it may- I am glad to hear that they mix it up too and that at some shows there seem to have been rare songs. But the time for them to tour for a new album which is in the focus of the show (as it should be) is over and as long as this is the case I won`t go to a Stones show again. That is my definition of a revival band- no new material, relying on old stuff over and over, pleasing people who think of their youth and their first joint then.

The same goes with FM. Let people vote on the Internet and you won`t hear a single new song. Red rover would be buried and never see the light of the day again on stage. Remember people like that radio idiot last week or so that said how he only wants to hear the old hits on the show and that even while LB sat beneath him. He should crush his Turner on these peoples heads rather than during a show :laugh:

Finally I`d like to mention Lou Reed who toured in support for "New York" and did the whole album live except "Good evening Mr. Waldheim". After that he also did songs from the predecessor and then some other 80`s stuff and finally also the old hits.

Or N.Young doing his new stuff no matter how much some people think he should do his own revival tour.

[pberry]

after spending literally thousands of dollars the last time the band toured, i'm just tired and uneasy about doing it again. i was expecting more and as i see songs dropping left and right, i am not sure that i will go to more than one or two concerts this time around. sara is a big treat and i was not a big fan of DR of DLMDA. I just wanted something new. this is not a band that lacks great songs. there are many hits that they could have done--and satified both the masses and the dedicated. it would have been a great gift to fans to create an a invigorated set list.

[rianbay1]

They could've easiliy left in Gypsy and replaced Beautiful Child. But no they chucked Gypsy and kept BC. Doing it the other way around would've made the average fan happier. That was adecision for us.


Amen. I agree totally. I just saw Prince, who I am a fairly casual fan of. I wouldn't have enjoyed the show at all if he had only done songs from "Musicology" and, god forbid, "The Rainbow Children" It was bad enough that he did most of his hits in "Medley" form...God, I hate that.

Maybe one of these day Fleetwood Mac will do a smaller club (Like House of Blues) tour and pull out a bunch of obscure hits for those of us who are Diehards. In an arena setting it just wouldn't go over, and not just for the mac but for ANY band. Besides, I WANT to hear Rhiannon, Second Hand News, Stand Back etc. along with the new songs.

On the other hand, even though "Peacekeeper" and "Say You will" did get a fairly sizeable amount of airplay, I think it would be nice to play it a little less safe with the choices of the new songs...Let's hear "Everybody Finds Out" and "Miranda"

[Miranda]

I don't think anybody is saying NO HITS. The band can do hits but should include more songs from their deep catalog. Why do the same exact show every night for 2 years...first leg, second leg, third leg...

[joe]

(this is really in response to DR being dropped...and i really still can't accept them dropping some good songs from the "new" setlist)

i was just thinking that the fact that they ignore songs in their catalog makes it seem like those songs aren't as good as the "elite" ones that get performed...it's sort of like their own subliminal way of brainwashing us into liking certain songs. i know this sounds whacked but i really think
that it's a cause and effect type of thing.

let me explain....when "destiny rules" was dropped and i listen to the madison bootleg, although it sounded good to me, i feel guilty for liking it because it would eventually be dropped. In other words when i'm listening to it now i'm thinking "it's not really that great cause it only lasted 2 shows on this tour." They're not selling me on the new song(s) because they're ignoring them. I think this actually could hurt new record sales. Or "don't let me down again" "really does suck cause it was booted after the first show." The whole issue makes me NOT want believe in them because they didn't believe in themselves to be truthful about their music and stick it out despite fearing that maybe a particular song didn't get off to a good start. DLMDA has been dormant for 17 years...you can't just expect it to be brilliant the first night you perform. They've completely sold out in my opinion.

you know, they spent about 2 years in the studio working on songs: singing, harmonizing, all the other mechanics, etc...they finally get the song to where they want it after all is said and done they just leave it on a shelf to collect dust and never be performed live. I guess i'm thinking more about Stevie since she's only done 2 songs from the new album that are permanent fixtures in the set. She doesn't give anything else a chance (DR or RTTG). Lindsey's been more enthusiastic. You would think that after spending so much time they would be excited and enthusiastic about presenting it to a live audience.

I think scenarios like these are what's hurting the music industry. Just like classic rock radio only recognize "hotel california" or "follow you follow me" (genesis) as the only songs those bands are worthy of despite their enormous catalog. Why bother making albums if you're only going to be remembered for a handful of songs?

it's not that difficult to decide NOT to go to a new show this time around. I never thought i'd actually turn down a chance to see them not only once but upwards of 4 times in the next few weeks.

[HejiraNYC]

Maybe the supermarkets should raise the price of a dozen eggs to $10. After all, they can, they're only human, and they love money. Christ, it's obvious that the ticket prices are going to be pricey, but they don't even lower them in markets they've already hit. That smacks of greed.


Well obviously you have not gone grocery shopping in Manhattan recently! ;-)

I have read this (very) long thread and I find it interesting how FM is compared to all of these jam bands like the Dead, Allman Brothers, etc. when FM is really all about tight 3 to 4-minute perfect pop songs. Even performers like Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc., who tend to have varying set lists from night-to-night, have jam band-like qualities. And one big distinction here is that none of these performers are as meticulous in the studio as Lindsey. And jamming, with all of its inherent sloppiness and looseness of structure, is the diametric opposite of what Lindsey and FM are all about.

Although the term has been mercilessly dragged through the mud in recent years, I think the term "diva" can be safely associated with Stevie. By definition (in the pop culture sense anyway), diva performers are in full control and command of the stage and are perfectionists by nature. As such, you have to respect that Stevie wants to give us a flawless, consistent performance every night, even if it means giving up a lot of the spontaneity. And in hindsight, Stevie is probably also reacting to some of the shenanigans she pulled onstage during her coke days; although she gave some very inspired performances, vocally she was often off-key, raspy and downright inappropriate at times. In a sense she is probably overcompensating to maintain an even keel these days.

And let's face it... still being one of the biggest touring acts in the world after 30 years is no accident. They didn't get to where they are today by giving spontaneous, sloppy performances every night. They have given consistently musically compeling performances that are tight, powerful and appeal to the casual fan and the diehard fan alike. We are extremely lucky to have FM back on the road in good health and good spirits. So stop all yer sobbin!

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Great point HejiraNYC....makes a lot of sense


Also I think it can be assumed that the band realizes that MANY of the people at their shows have no idea that the set isn't spontaneous, nor do they care...Sure Lindsey notices the people who are around his mic night after night, and certainly is aware that some people do follow them around...but I think they believe (Whether it's true or not) that the majority of the people seeing the show will be seeing this set for the first time...

Chris

[David]

I have read this (very) long thread and I find it interesting how FM is compared to all of these jam bands like the Dead, Allman Brothers, etc. when FM is really all about tight 3 to 4-minute perfect pop songs. Even performers like Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc., who tend to have varying set lists from night-to-night, have jam band-like qualities. And one big distinction here is that none of these performers are as meticulous in the studio as Lindsey. And jamming, with all of its inherent sloppiness and looseness of structure, is the diametric opposite of what Lindsey and FM are all about.You're absolutely right, & you & I are having a Maalox moment or something because I was going to post this very thought yesterday, but life or something got in the way. But that's probably what made Fleetwood Mac so thrilling in times past, the way they subverted their own massively popular image as a smooth soft-rock outfit in which all the pieces snapped into perfect -- & rather bland -- place. They perform nowadays in a way that emphasizes that image rather than yanks it around.
In a sense she is probably overcompensating to maintain an even keel these days.Yes, there's something psychological driving her to keep it toned down. It isn't her age, it's her mind. Regardless of its cause, I just don't feel it's an aesthetic victory for her or the audience.

[gldstwmn]

Well obviously you have not gone grocery shopping in Manhattan recently! ;-)

I have read this (very) long thread and I find it interesting how FM is compared to all of these jam bands like the Dead, Allman Brothers, etc. when FM is really all about tight 3 to 4-minute perfect pop songs. Even performers like Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc., who tend to have varying set lists from night-to-night, have jam band-like qualities. And one big distinction here is that none of these performers are as meticulous in the studio as Lindsey. And jamming, with all of its inherent sloppiness and looseness of structure, is the diametric opposite of what Lindsey and FM are all about.



FM in it's early days was a jam band. Anytime you can play a ten minute guitar solo numerous times during your set, you are certainly capable of being a "jam band" IMO.

[chiliD]

I just don't understand where "spontaneous" & "sloppy" are deemed synonymous. :shrug: I've seen MANY spontaneous performances that were FAR from being sloppy.

[Hawkeye]

Anytime you can play a ten minute guitar solo numerous times during your set, you are certainly capable of being a "jam band" IMO.

Come, So Afraid, World Turning, GYOW to an extent.

[The Tower]

I have read this (very) long thread and I find it interesting how FM is compared to all of these jam bands like the Dead, Allman Brothers, etc. when FM is really all about tight 3 to 4-minute perfect pop songs. Even performers like Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc., who tend to have varying set lists from night-to-night, have jam band-like qualities. And one big distinction here is that none of these performers are as meticulous in the studio as Lindsey. And jamming, with all of its inherent sloppiness and looseness of structure, is the diametric opposite of what Lindsey and FM are all about.

This is disjointed. There are many, many bands out there that have nothing to do with being a "jam-band" that change their setlists around night after night. Just because Buck/Nicks isn't considered a "jam-band" doesn't mean that they have to play the same, boring, rigid setlist every f**king night for a year. There can be a happy medium- especially considering the huge catalog that FM has to pick from.

As such, you have to respect that Stevie wants to give us a flawless, consistent performance every night, even if it means giving up a lot of the spontaneity. And in hindsight, Stevie is probably also reacting to some of the shenanigans she pulled onstage during her coke days; although she gave some very inspired performances, vocally she was often off-key, raspy and downright inappropriate at times. In a sense she is probably overcompensating to maintain an even keel these days.

I don't think lack of spontaneity = flawless. I think lack of spontaneity = boring. I'd rather have the risk of watching Stevie coked out of her gourd, and maybe get the kind of performance like "Sisters of the Moon" from the Mirage tour, than KNOW that I'm going to get robotic staging and canned speeches. It really isn't too much to ask, considering the amount of money paid for each ticket.

[Hawkeye]

I can't believe you can callthe band does on stage ROBOTIC. They may repeat things over and over but saying robotic makes it sound so danmed boring. I can't look at them on stage and think robotic. I like to think of it as High energy repitition.

[EveryHour]

I'd rather have the risk of watching Stevie coked out of her gourd, and maybe get the kind of performance like "Sisters of the Moon" from the Mirage tour, than KNOW that I'm going to get robotic staging and canned speeches. It really isn't too much to ask, considering the amount of money paid for each ticket.

Excuse me, but is this risk your choice to make?! This is Stevie's LIFE we're talking about here. :distress:

[darklinensuit]

I like to think of it as High energy repitition.

I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that this made me laugh. Are you sure you're not in politics? ;) :laugh: :wavey:

- Jake