Thoughts on the new added songs

[joe]

Just listened to the mp3s (courtesy of bluewhitefire, thank you very much) and just wanted to give my .02....

Sara....it's great but even if it sucked i'd still think it was great just to be back in the set again after all these years. i've been going to Stevie/Mac shows since 1986 hoping it would be in the set and it finally is. But i was impressed with what i heard so i know when i actually see and hear it live will be even better. I'm a little surprised though at the arrangement. For some reason i thought it was going to be more of an acoustic type arrangement. Lindsey's guitar sounded like the older live versions, which is cool, but i expected different. The only quirky thing about the song is that Stevie goes right into the "Drowning in the sea of love..." verses immediately after the other verses (for lack of better phrasing) which was different, but i guess this helps keep the pace up. anyway, i'm glad they nixed "gypsy" finally. it really never did anything for me live. plus, it's unfair to overlook "sara" in favor of "gypsy" when "gypsy" kind of "borrowed" some musical textures from "sara". One last thing, i'm really glad they didn't change the key.

"Destiny Rules"...i think this sounds great. There definately has been something added since the last time they did it. I think there's some added lyrics at the end too that i like. Something like "i can't believe that" or something. It definately has picked up in pace this time around.

"Don't Let Me Down Again"...So i see they've lowered the key...That's ok, it still sounded ok to me. I can't see why they dropped it. I question whether it works as an encore though. I expected to see it somewhere in the middle of the set. Maybe that's why it's lagging. I really hope they don't drop it. They better put something else rare in its place. Maybe that's where the sixth song is that Mick was talking about. Maybe they have a back up plan? They should have introduced as being a B/N song and maybe the more casual fan would have been more interested.

"I know I'm Not Wrong"...I don't know if i'm wild about this. I like that it's in the set but i don't like the lower key they're singing it in. Maybe it'll be better in person.

"Red Rover"....i really like this. I like the song. I don't know why everyone hates it here...it's got a melancholic feel to it (which i always gravitate towards)...So, i hope they keep it.

Anyway, that's it. I can't believe i'm planning on going to two shows (if not three) this summer. I wasn't going to go at all if the setlist didn't change. It's good to know that Stevie sounds like she's more energetic this time around.
That's really more important than the setlist change for me. She really seemed subdued last year. I'm not saying comatose, but just not very emotional or energetic.

[dissention]

LOVE Red Rover.

LOVE Sara.

Don't Let Me Down Again is a bit different, but I like it.

LOOOOVE I Know I'm Not Wrong.

DESPISE Destiny Rules live. It's incredibly boring and flat.

I'm glad they got rid of Gypsy because it simply stunk live and I'm a bit disappointed the axed EOTW; that song was great.

[David]

Just listened to the mp3s (courtesy of bluewhitefire, thank you very much) and just wanted to give my .02....I listened to what I could. "Sara" sounds staid & even listless to me, like the carefully measured performances of it (in my opinion, a misreading) from 1988. Stevie approaches every song vocally these days with the same adagio moderato. If you electronically analyzed her sound wave, I'm sure you'd find a perfectly horizontal line. I can't help thinking that there's some sort of pernicious cause-&-effect relationship between her projection & the addition of the session players to the live mix in '87 (which is just about when she busted up).

"Not Wrong" sounds plodding to me, too -- I think because of Mick's drumming. It's all wrong. He plays the sixteenths on the hi-hat as if the band were doing "Dreams," instead of whacking on those toms in that quasi African way he used to. When you take the jungle beat out of "Not Wrong," what are you left with? "Dreams"?

It's too bad they dropped "DLMDA" because that is such a showcase for Lindsey's wicked guitar work. But dropping it (like Stevie refusing to put "Long Distance Winner" in her 1998 set list) seems yet another nail in the coffin of the CD release of "Buckingham Nicks."

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I listened to what I could. "Sara" sounds staid & even listless to me, like the carefully measured performances of it (in my opinion, a misreading) from 1988.


I totally disagree...I think you should re-listen...there's a lot of higher notes than she normally goes for in this version of Sara...Of course they aren't what some singers would consider high notes, but for Stevie yes... the "call me...hooommeee...Sara" definetely not "monotonal."

I think that it sounds incredible---And I do not praise everything Stevie does, but this performance of Sara to me sounded phenomenal..if u listen past the low grade recording of it (no offense to whoever recorded it)..

JMO

Chris

[The Tower]

"Don't Let Me Down Again" actually let me down, but not again- for the first time (love the irony). The lower key really blows and takes away all of the energy. It doesn't surprise me at all that they dropped it. Same scenario as it was with "Running Through the Garden" from the last leg. When they dropped the key, they dropped the song...

"Sara" is a thrill. However, with the exception of the end (from "Hooommmee" to the end) the vocal delivery is flat, almost robotic.

I'm still debating on whether or not to get tickets for this leg.

[estranged4life]

what I think when the Madison/Champaign shows I have traded for arrive (I am holding out hearing the new live songs til then)...

[shackin'up]

I really think that the verdict is a little premature. The quality is just not good enough to get the nuances. Basicly, they drop the key in almost EVERY song. No problem, if the dynamic still exist. I got the impression that the dynamic is more or less there. So wait for verdict until you heard better recordings. And, please give SOME respect for the people who heard it live and were thrilled. Even if it's not studio-perfection or what you expected after hearing 1980-performances all your life, these performances still have a lot to offer. In comparison, Lindsey's ISA is vocally not the same as years ago, still it is a great performance, because he goes more out of control instumentally. The pace of DLMDA is fantastic, and it sounds like he plays it a lot cleaner then in the old days. The fact that the vocal is more low, doesnot take anything from the guitarperformance. And that adds to the song.

And yes, I'd like a more "tusky" drumstyle from Mick in IKINW. But on the other hand: This way, the song has more "rawhidyness" too it. I think that works out great. Come on, to compare it to Dreams is just not to be taken serious. There's so much more energy from that drumroll and pace of the song then on Dreams, even if you could be right technically. (which I don't think)

I really think those changes give something extra to the set. But, like Brian, I'll give my verdict after hearing some more.

gerald

[ryan8472]

I really like I Know I'm Not Wrong (Thank you Joe, Gerald, Christy :wavey: ). I think it sounds great. Lots of energy certainly. Sara sounds awsome too; it sounds just like it always did, which is good I guess. Destiny Rules is my favorite song on Say You Will, so of course I love it. It does sound better than last year. Red Rover is cool, albeit a little strange (as always), but I, like many of you think it translated really well onto stage. Don't Let Me Down Again (even though it was done only once so far!) sounded pretty good. A little off at times, and slower than normal, but it was nice to hear it nonetheless. Overall, these are definitely a big improvement to the setlist IMO.

[EveryHour]

I can't help thinking that there's some sort of pernicious cause-&-effect relationship between her projection & the addition of the session players to the live mix in '87

Though I thought the rest of your post was a bit negative for my taste, this is a interesting observation. One can seem to pinpoint Stevie becoming less vocally adventurous with the addition of the "backup band". I'm sure it's very easy to subconsciously slip into letting the backups compensate for you. I know Stevie always had the backup singers in her solo career (who we all love!), but they somehow seem much more invasive, if you will, with The Mac. Or it could just come back to the sedation of Klonopin, and then the subsequest absence of any drug use which may deem Stevie not as confident (vocally and/or otherwise) onstage as she was on coke. This has already been discussed to death, so I won't go on. The thing is, is that we all know she is still completely capable of singing with the same amount of adventure she always has (TISL Sorcerer, her SYW demos we heard in Destiny Rules, etc), so I tend to think it's other issues at play...either lack of that old confidence (I, for one, am happy to see her drug-free and will take her any way I can get her because she ~and we~ are lucky she's alive!) or (even more likely, IMO) desire to preserve her voice. We all know she used to blow her vocal chords singing the way she used to, and maybe she had to make a decision...continue to sing that way and risk losing her voice forever, or tone it down a little and be able to go on. :)

[Keith]

Things are becoming less exciting and more real."

One of my favorite passages from Mick's book. How did Stevie know?

But in this crazy world there still is a little bit of sunshine, and today it appeared in a bootleg version of "Sara." Thanks to Mike B. for capturing the music, and bluewhitefire for sharing it.. I've had it on repeat.. "Rhiannon is afoot..." and she still breaks my heart. :-)

[glitter_fades]

...continue to sing that way and risk losing her voice forever, or tone it down a little and be able to go on. :) [/B]

Right you are. We can see Lindsey's paying now for that very thing.

[strandinthewind]

Things are becoming less exciting and more real."

One of my favorite passages from Mick's book. How did Stevie know?

But in this crazy world there still is a little bit of sunshine, and today it appeared in a bootleg version of "Sara." Thanks to Mike B. for capturing the music, and bluewhitefire for sharing it.. I've had it on repeat.. "Rhiannon is afoot..." and she still breaks my heart. :-)

OMG - I was thinking sort of the same thing. I just love her.

[Mike B]

I really think that the verdict is a little premature. The quality is just not good enough to get the nuances.

This is very true. This show was recorded with my head between two speakers at the foot of the stage. (Great for a show experience, not so great for a recording!) I think alot of the muddiness that seems to appear during IKINW is not a good representation of how it came across. I encourage everyone to wait out for some more boots before totally dismissing how these songs sound.

As for my opinion of the new ones...it was 1 less than Mick led us to believe (Mick? Misleading us? No! :laugh: ), but it still shook up the show considerably. I'm probably one of the more vocal fans when it comes to the setlist...I think it's a little embarassing that they stick to the same formula night after night after night. But with just these 5 songs, the changes impacted the whole show. It felt like a stronger set to me for some reason.

If they decide to put DLMDA back in the set (please!), I think they need to do a little bit more of an introduction to it. It seems the songs that they give a little background on get a better response.

I wish they wouldn't end the show with Don't Stop...I'd rather something more "unexpected" wrapped things up, like Farmer's Daugher for The Dance or Goodbye Baby last year. It just feels...anti-climactic to end it with something we all knew would be in there anyway.

[MikeVielhaber]

This is very true. This show was recorded with my head between two speakers at the foot of the stage. (Great for a show experience, not so great for a recording!) I think alot of the muddiness that seems to appear during IKINW is not a good representation of how it came across. I encourage everyone to wait out for some more boots before totally dismissing how these songs sound.

As for my opinion of the new ones...it was 1 less than Mick led us to believe (Mick? Misleading us? No! :laugh: ), but it still shook up the show considerably. I'm probably one of the more vocal fans when it comes to the setlist...I think it's a little embarassing that they stick to the same formula night after night after night. But with just these 5 songs, the changes impacted the whole show. It felt like a stronger set to me for some reason.

If they decide to put DLMDA back in the set (please!), I think they need to do a little bit more of an introduction to it. It seems the songs that they give a little background on get a better response.

I wish they wouldn't end the show with Don't Stop...I'd rather something more "unexpected" wrapped things up, like Farmer's Daugher for The Dance or Goodbye Baby last year. It just feels...anti-climactic to end it with something we all knew would be in there anyway.

they played farmer's daughter on the dance tour????? dang i wish i could've heard it

[CarneVaca]

Right you are. We can see Lindsey's paying now for that very thing.

Whaaat!!!? That is the most absurd comment I've read here in a loooooong time. Utter bull****.

[joe]

I listened to what I could. "Sara" sounds staid & even listless to me, like the carefully measured performances of it (in my opinion, a misreading) from 1988. Stevie approaches every song vocally these days with the same adagio moderato. If you electronically analyzed her sound wave, I'm sure you'd find a perfectly horizontal line. I can't help thinking that there's some sort of pernicious cause-&-effect relationship between her projection & the addition of the session players to the live mix in '87 (which is just about when she busted up).


Well, i'm a sucker for "sara"....but i never cared for her solo band's version...they changed things around too much and it wasn't as tight as FM...then again, i didn't really care for any of the 1982 versions either...she was all over the place vocally and it got annoying. i've never heard the 1988 version.

yeah, you're right about her vocal approach these days....i really don't know what the reason is...and, yes, we have analyzed this to death...i wish Stevie would comment on it herself....i think there are so many reasons. i don't think it's just because of the backup players. she had that on her solo tours and that didn't stop her....at least until 1989. As a matter of fact, one might think that they can just go as crazy as they want because there's extra people up there to cover their ass. So, in 1987, imo, non-partying was a REALLY big factor. additionally, things got less crazy, FM wasn't the same, she hit 40, and her attitude changed...and i'm sure there's **** that happened to her that we don't even know about that would make any of us sober up. I've known of people that just turned into blobs when they quit drinking...it's like they can't function at social events and seem devoid of any genuine emotions. it's sad.

Lindsey needs to watch it too. His voice isn't exactly what it was...Hey, don't flame me people, this is just par for the course.. I was watching "blondie-a&e's live by request" and she's had to drop the key in a lot of her songs too.
Obviously, some songs just aren't going to sound as good or transfer over as well in a lower key.


"Not Wrong" sounds plodding to me, too -- I think because of Mick's drumming. It's all wrong. He plays the sixteenths on the hi-hat as if the band were doing "Dreams," instead of whacking on those toms in that quasi African way he used to. When you take the jungle beat out of "Not Wrong," what are you left with? "Dreams"?


I'll have to listen again to it. I only heard it once when i downloaded it. The thing that attracted me to Mick's drumming was that tribal feel he used to incorporate....he hasn't played that way in a while. That's what i really love about the older FM records...his best moments shined then. And i really really REALLY hate the vest thing during "World Turning"...it would be my beer run song except they close the bar at 9pm....it was cute in 1987 cause everthing was synth oriented then anyway, but for me, real instruments win hands down....i would be thrilled to see him just pound away at that old talking drum instead of abbreviating that part to a minute or two...and then slapping himself like a spaz....anyone can hit pads concealed in their vest...those old "World Turning" drum solos of years past were so interesting to listen to....very eerie in a way.

But i just couldn't get past the lower key they sang "IKINW" in. Unfortunately, i really don't like any of the songs that are dropped in a lower key..."the chain" has never been the same since they dropped it down. I think this is because of Lindsey. That part "i can STILL HEAR YOU SAYIN" is a bit hard to reach.


It's too bad they dropped "DLMDA" because that is such a showcase for Lindsey's wicked guitar work. But dropping it (like Stevie refusing to put "Long Distance Winner" in her 1998 set list) seems yet another nail in the coffin of the CD release of "Buckingham Nicks."

Yeah, i know...i honestly didn't think it sounded bad...even in the lower key. I heard the extra guitarists filling in the guitar harmonies and it was good. They need to move it more toward the middle of the set and introduce it or something.

So wait for verdict until you heard better recordings.

true...

And, please give SOME respect for the people who heard it live and were thrilled.

i haven't heard any personal bashing going on here...i mean noone is saying "how dare you like that live performance you idiot..." we're just offering opinions. you gotta be able to sift through all the positive and negatives and still be able to hold your own without being influenced by one or the other. don't let the "negative" opinions bring you down. "i'm not right, i'm not wrong...my god! what have i done!?"

I, for one, am happy to see her drug-free and will take her any way I can get her because she ~and we~ are lucky she's alive!) or (even more likely, IMO) desire to preserve her voice. We all know she used to blow her vocal chords singing the way she used to, and maybe she had to make a decision...continue to sing that way and risk losing her voice forever, or tone it down a little and be able to go on. :) [/B]

i completely agree...look at some of the other performers that are out there and look and sound horrible...i'm glad she's alive and even on stage. i've gotten over expecting this and that from them. i'm grateful the setlist changed and the most important thing for me is that she/they look happy. Stevie can sound as monotone as she wants but if she's laughing and interacting with the audience and truly enjoying herself then i feel like my money went to some good use.

it was 1 less than Mick led us to believe

guys, don't crucify the guy cause they're one song short. I know everyone loves to get on the mick bashwagon here but he's not to blame for everything. is everything written in stone in this world? we can't hang on to every spoken word....especially over one omitted song.

[strandinthewind]

Right you are. We can see Lindsey's paying now for that very thing.

I am unsure what you mean? They are playing DLMDA in the same key as it was on the BN record. While I am not a guitar person, I base this on what a member of the band told me :shrug: Moreover, there are parts of that recording of Sara where Stevie sounds exactly the same as on the Tusk video :shrug: Finally, they are all in their 50's. So, of course they are going to calm it down vocally :shrug: So, again, I do not get your statement?

[dissention]

I am unsure what you mean? They are playing DLMDA in the same key as it was on the BN record. While I am not a guitar person, I base this on what a member of the band told me :shrug: Moreover, there are parts of that recording of Sara where Stevie sounds exactly the same as on the Tusk video :shrug: Finally, they are all in their 50's. So, of course they are going to calm it down vocally :shrug: So, again, I do not get your statement?

I think she's referring to Lindsey's singing/screaming and how his vocal chords are going to suffer from it, Jason. :p

[strandinthewind]

I think she's referring to Lindsey's singing/screaming and how his vocal chords are going to suffer from it, Jason. :p

Ah - my bad :sorry: Glitter!!!!

[shackin'up]

i haven't heard any personal bashing going on here...i mean noone is saying "how dare you like that live performance you idiot..." we're just offering opinions. you gotta be able to sift through all the positive and negatives and still be able to hold your own without being influenced by one or the other. don't let the "negative" opinions bring you down. "i'm not right, i'm not wrong...my god! what have i done!?"


Oh, this is due to my lack of vocabulary, joe. I meant it completely different: There's nothing disrespectful about the post I quoted, I meant: Take some notice of the very enthusiastic response from the people who were there, and include that in the verdict of the performance, especially when the soundquality is not that good.
I am not that quick out of balance.
Actually, I love opinions.

[CarneVaca]

Lindsey needs to watch it too. His voice isn't exactly what it was...

But i just couldn't get past the lower key they sang "IKINW" in. Unfortunately, i really don't like any of the songs that are dropped in a lower key..."the chain" has never been the same since they dropped it down. I think this is because of Lindsey. That part "i can STILL HEAR YOU SAYIN" is a bit hard to reach.

Nonsense. If anything, Lindsey has grown as a vocalist throught the years. Listen to the Buckingham Nicks tracks and the white album songs. He sang too high, often sounding a bit shrill. With Tusk his voice seemed to get better. In the song Tusk, he uses that whispering, lower register that is quite fetching. Then with Mirage, he brought that lower-register singing to a new level. For instance, his Elvis impersonation in Oh Diane is one of the reasons the song appeals to me. He does the lower-register stuff again in Big Love, You and I, Part I, Twister and other numbers.

If Lindsey sometimes doesn't sound that good live, it has nothing to do with whether his voice has gotten worse or better. He's just not a great live singer. Period. He has great moments, but often he pushes his voice too high, probably as a result of also having to play the guitar. It may not even be subconscious, but his playing and singing are in competition the whole time he is playing up there. It is tough to strike the right balance of playing, especially when you're doing leads as opposed to rhythm, and singing at the correct register. For instance, as much as I love the Tusk version from the Dance, his voice grates on me a little bit. I wish he'd sing it like the original, but I bet it's very hard to do.

Be that as it may, I seriously doubt the key in The Chain was changed to accommodate Lindsey. Considering Dreams and Landslide were changed for Stevie, the most likely reason for The Chain change is also Stevie's voice. I would bet that is also why Peacekeeper was changed from the original to the SYW version.

They're certainly not changing keys to accommodate Lindsey's guitars. Though to be sure certain keys are easier to play on the guitar than other, key changes for performances are usually because of the vocals. For instance, Peackeeper in Em is a hell of a lot easier to play than in Gm, but that's Gm is what the song was changed to. Of course the use of a capo makes playing in Gm relatively easy.

To be sure, Lindsey's voice overall may have coarsened a bit. It would be very unusual if it hadn't. But he can still blow some serious highs. I don't think he's lost nearly as much range as Stevie did.

[dissention]

Nonsense. If anything, Lindsey has grown as a vocalist throught the years. Listen to the Buckingham Nicks tracks and the white album songs. He sang too high, often sounding a bit shrill. With Tusk his voice seemed to get better. In the song Tusk, he uses that whispering, lower register that is quite fetching. Then with Mirage, he brought that lower-register singing to a new level. For instance, his Elvis impersonation in Oh Diane is one of the reasons the song appeals to me. He does the lower-register stuff again in Big Love, You and I, Part I, Twister and other numbers.

If Lindsey sometimes doesn't sound that good live, it has nothing to do with whether his voice has gotten worse or better. He's just not a great live singer. Period. He has great moments, but often he pushes his voice too high, probably as a result of also having to play the guitar. It may not even be subconscious, but his playing and singing are in competition the whole time he is playing up there. It is tough to strike the right balance of playing, especially when you're doing leads as opposed to rhythm, and singing at the correct register. For instance, as much as I love the Tusk version from the Dance, his voice grates on me a little bit. I wish he'd sing it like the original, but I bet it's very hard to do.

Be that as it may, I seriously doubt the key in The Chain was changed to accommodate Lindsey. Considering Dreams and Landslide were changed for Stevie, the most likely reason for The Chain change is also Stevie's voice. I would bet that is also why Peacekeeper was changed from the original to the SYW version.

They're certainly not changing keys to accommodate Lindsey's guitars. Though to be sure certain keys are easier to play on the guitar than other, key changes for performances are usually because of the vocals. For instance, Peackeeper in Em is a hell of a lot easier to play than in Gm, but that's Gm is what the song was changed to. Of course the use of a capo makes playing in Gm relatively easy.

To be sure, Lindsey's voice overall may have coarsened a bit. It would be very unusual if it hadn't. But he can still blow some serious highs. I don't think he's lost nearly as much range as Stevie did.

I agree with everything you said, Carne. Just listen to ISA from the White Album, then listen to Oh Diane, THEN listen to Steal Your Heart Away; it's amazing how mature his singing has become.

[chiliD]

He recorded "I'm So Afraid" in Gm (which was, by his own admission, not the right key for him to sing)...even that first tour they did together in 1975, he dropped the key to Fm. I'm assuming that's still the key they play it in today...unless he's playing a guitar that has been tuned a full step lower and they're playing it in Ebm

[stefan]

I agree with everything you said, Carne. Just listen to ISA from the White Album, then listen to Oh Diane, THEN listen to Steal Your Heart Away; it's amazing how mature his singing has become.
Interesting points guys. Oh Diane and Big love are among my favourites concerning the singing part. But don't forget about the studio opportunities to make things sound better. He may use these recently or did it all the time. Btw I don`t regard this necessarily as something bad. Let's also keep in mind- he is using the voice machines on a lot of tracks for years and years for alteration- so maybe we are simply not used to the pure sound of his voice anymore, maybe he lost some range or is getting coarse- I'm not sure.
I wondered about Lindseys voice too last year after hearing the Today show clips. It seemed he lost it completely. Or listen to the real bad Harrison cover. The same thing is going on in the Madison clips. I think it doesn`t sound good. All these clips were not too good in terms of audio quality- so I`m not sure it is a viable source. As I finally saw him live last year in Oberhausen his voice sounded fine and there was nothing to complain about. The same thing the people said that attended the Today show live.
Anyway I don`t like what I heard from DLMDA- due to the sound file or not. Red rover seems to be the best addition. And IKINW- the dadadadada part is a great idea- like that.

[shackin'up]

And IKINW- the dadadadada part is a great idea- like that.
Agreed. It's an old idea. Already done in the early sketches of the song on the remasters' bonus disk.

[gldstwmn]

It's too bad they dropped "DLMDA" because that is such a showcase for Lindsey's wicked guitar work. But dropping it (like Stevie refusing to put "Long Distance Winner" in her 1998 set list) seems yet another nail in the coffin of the CD release of "Buckingham Nicks."

I think you're on to it there. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Things are becoming less exciting and more real."

One of my favorite passages from Mick's book. How did Stevie know?

But in this crazy world there still is a little bit of sunshine, and today it appeared in a bootleg version of "Sara." Thanks to Mike B. for capturing the music, and bluewhitefire for sharing it.. I've had it on repeat.. "Rhiannon is afoot..." and she still breaks my heart. :-)

Thanks Keith. I'd forgotten that quote. You just gave me my new sig line. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Whaaat!!!? That is the most absurd comment I've read here in a loooooong time. Utter bull****.
Remember Carne, you haven't seen any of the shows. At a few points on Saturday, Mr. Buckingham appeared to be gasping for breath and definitely wasn't able to sing all his high notes. I was about 10 feet from him.

[EveryHour]

Things are becoming less exciting and more real."

One of my favorite passages from Mick's book. How did Stevie know?

But in this crazy world there still is a little bit of sunshine, and today it appeared in a bootleg version of "Sara." Thanks to Mike B. for capturing the music, and bluewhitefire for sharing it.. I've had it on repeat.. "Rhiannon is afoot..." and she still breaks my heart. :-)

This post made my day. Thank-you. :)

[EveryHour]

Though I think he's always been a great singer, I agree that Lindsey has matured A LOT vocally. No, he's not able to be technically great onstage, but he sacrifices that for passion, which is certainly fine by me. That way we get to experience both aspects of one Mr. LB vocally. It's true, a lot of artists who have chosen to continue to perform as they age have had to change keys...big deal. They've had to do it because they are human beings. We can except these as the "now" versions, as opposed to automatically deeming them "worse" or "inadequate" versions. We can enjoy them for what they are now, because the only alternative is no FM at all...they can't, afterall, reverse the aging process. I do, however, think it would work EXTREMELY WELL in the band's favor to do a complete overhaul of some of the songs instead of doing versions that can seem pale in comparison to the old ones to those of us who dissect the details. Just as Gypsy worked so much better at AHI '00 done completely acoustically. Ever since the pnemonenon that was MTV's Unplugged, the public at large digs that stuff anyway.

[CarneVaca]

Remember Carne, you haven't seen any of the shows. At a few points on Saturday, Mr. Buckingham appeared to be gasping for breath and definitely wasn't able to sing all his high notes. I was about 10 feet from him.

I agree that his voice live isn't great, as I mentioned in a post subsequent to the one you're referring to. However, I was reacting to a comment that seemed to imply Lindsey's voice has deteriorated considerably. Far from it, in my view.

[CarneVaca]

Though I think he's always been a great singer, I agree that Lindsey has matured A LOT vocally. No, he's not able to be technically great onstage, but he sacrifices that for passion, which is certainly fine by me. That way we get to experience both aspects of one Mr. LB vocally. It's true, a lot of artists who have chosen to continue to perform as they age have had to change keys...big deal. They've had to do it because they are human beings. We can except these as the "now" versions, as opposed to automatically deeming them "worse" or "inadequate" versions. We can enjoy them for what they are now, because the only alternative is no FM at all...they can't, afterall, reverse the aging process.

I agree!!!!!

[wondergirl9847]

Go listen to a plethora of divas.

Give me Lindsey and Stevie ANYDAY over some oversinging, emotionless singer.

I live for those voice breaks. :)

[EveryHour]

The thing is, is that we all know she is still completely capable of singing with the same amount of adventure she always has (TISL Sorcerer, her SYW demos we heard in Destiny Rules, etc)

...I most definitely should have mentioned At Last in this list.

[David]

...I most definitely should have mentioned At Last in this list.
I rather miss the Elmer Fuddness of Stevie's thirtysomething years.

Now THAT'S power.

[EveryHour]

Give me Lindsey and Stevie ANYDAY over some oversinging, emotionless singer.

I live for those voice breaks. :)

This made my day. :wavey: Exactly how I feel, but never seem to be able to get it across so simply and directly (my emotions get the best of me :rolleyes: ). :)

[cliffdweller]

I agree with everything you said, Carne. listen to Steal Your Heart Away; it's amazing how mature his singing has become.

Lindsey's vocals are absolutely sublime on this one, as is his singing on Murrow, Say Goodbye and Red Rover. Sublime I say, SUBLIME!!! :laugh:

and the funny thing about all of these songs is that they're all sung differently for the most part, with extreme highs and lows, and dips and valleys by Lindsey. The point is, Carne is right, his voice has matured and he's matured as a vocal performer. I think it's because he's really come into his own as a seasoned musician and songwriter, you can tell he finally feels comfortable in his own skin after all those years of mania he endured with Fleetwood Mac.

and as far as live performances go, he does just fine. I'm not complaining...