Lindsey, if you're people are reading this

[CarneVaca]

Hey, Lindsey, I got an idea for ye. I won't even charge you for it. Just let's get your music out and call it even. Get your management people to look into doing a deal with Apple to release your unused solo songs through iTunes.

Here's what I propose: A song a week for three months. I believe there's enough material. Start releasing them in June around the time of the PBS special (and shortly after my birthday). You could get a fair amount of mileage out of this thing.

This is about as cheap an option to get your music out as you're going to get. Get back to me on this, will you?

June 21: Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
June 28: Deep Dense
July 5: Twist of Fate
July 12: Down on Rodeo
July 19: Gotta Get Away
July 26: Peacekeeper (the good version)
August 2: Shuffle Riff
August 9: The Singer Not the Song
August 16: She Smiled Sweetly
August 23: Gift of Screws
August 30: Say Goodbye (original version)
Sept. 6: Try for the Son
Sept 13: My Little Demon (studio version)

And... anything else you've been holding back from us.

Dude, it's a good idea. Just do it.

[face of glass]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Sept. 6: Try for the Son


Man, I love that subtle typo. :lol:

I like the idea as well. It's time to teach that old dog some new tricks. ;)

[shackin'up]

A very good idea indeed,

except that you have to release more than my fellow ledgie and highly respected buckophile Carne is proposing, I really want to add, that, like the bonusdisk of the Tuskremaster shows, that early takes of your beautiful art, sometimes can stand on their own. I know that's a hard thing to take for a perfectionist, but I will dance around in circles for the rest of my life if you released Given Thing and Steve's Riff, too. Those songs are raw, unfinished, yet appealing in their own naieve way.

After those three months, Warner will sign you to do the next Mac-album. Before you use the pen grab some tie and whisper:
I'll only sign if you put out my soundstageperformance on DVD immediately. Unedited. You can make it a single disc. No prob.


yours sincerely

gerald "papahohoho...papa" van koert

[stefan]

The news from today excited me- so here`s my dissertation about that project:
First of all concerning the download thing... Hasn't he said during an interview that he still believes in the power of albums :laugh: O.K. he used different words of course.
Carnes idea is good, if the alternative was not to release the songs at all. But personally I like an album better- with a nice cover and a booklet and the lyrics and photos and just because I want to keep it in my hand. And after the interview from this morning it suddenly seems possible that this could happen. That leads to the question- which songs could be used...

I always wondered why they did not use DOR and Shuffle riff or SGTCYM for the Mac album. I am sure that he regards Shuffle riff as a potential single and imo it would have been much more exciting than the rerecord of BTLH. DOR received very good critics among us ledgies whereas some SYW songs received mixed comments. It`s my favourite from GOS btw. (Hello Joe) Normally they had to be included on the record. I guess he just didn't include them for the Mac project because he wanted to keep something strong for a solo project. This way it would in fact make sense not to include these strong songs. The alternative would have been
1) to keep them for a new Mac album. Very speculative as another project was not confirmed at the beginning of the SYW sessions (nor is it now).
2) to not release them at all. But I doubt that he omitted these (best) songs completely- I`m sure he knows these 3 are among his best.

So on my list these 3 would be part of it.
Then I think two covers are likely, I doubt he puts too many covers on the disc after all these years of not releasing anything. One Stones cover ( I think GTGA) and the Donovan thing. That would make 5 songs
Then Twist of fate and GOS- although they might have been on the Mac record and probably Stevies voice is mixed in now. They might keep them for the next FM album...?
But lets say he uses his solo versions of these 2 so that would be 7 songs then.
I doubt he uses MY little demon, it would be another rerecord/release and the studio track lacks something imo. So I called him and told him to leave it out. :o
I expect the album to include ca 12-14 tracks and that would leave space for 5-7 tracks we do not know until now. I forgot Deep dense from Carnes list. Then it would be still 4-6. I believe he should have a lot of material on store after all these years and I remember an interview of the female guitarist from the Cradle tour (was it Janet Robins?)- sorry the name is lost in the moment but I`m sure somebody can affirm it or knows the correct name. Anyway she said that LB had a complete album done ca 1995 and that he then for some reason began working on something new. Was the record company not happy with it or he himself, it`s a long time I did read that. But it means there must be a lot of material we don't know about so the 5 songs in addition to those I assumed seem realistic to me. Even Stevie said in the beginning of SYW that LB had material for far more than an double album.

This release of already existing material should also be good for him as he is
1) visible for his audience in the moment (just like after The dance)
2) another Mac album does not need to be postponed because of that. If this is really planned...

All in all I still hope and expect to get ca 5 new songs, nobody heard before. O.K. I`m probably trying here to persuade myself that this will happen. I still remember me visiting the Reprise site for years (sic!!!) several times a week in search for a concrete release date of GOS...

:laugh:

[nodmod]

I really wish LB would take a leaf out of Christine's book and sign up with a hungray independent label who understand the needs of the 'mature' artist and would treat Lindsey with the respect he deserves. In my opinion Warners/Reprise who whoever they want to call themselves do not unless he slaps the Fleetwood Mac name on his recordings.

Was anyone else disgusted to see the Warner bigwigs at the listening session for SYW in the DR documentary. My god they don't need to hear the FM stuff, just release what the band deem fit to record, this is the band that gave them Rumours for god's sake that established their company and the members of FM have been doing this for nigh on 25 years.

All in all, I'm not so sure that staying with Warners was the best move for the band, does anyone know how many albums the band are now tied into with Warners/Reprise?

[CarneVaca]

I believe the contract is for one album only. FM may be shopping itself around after this tour.

I agree that Warner was no longer suitable to this band's needs. It's too bad the band didn't see this.

Lindsey needs to start acting like the independent thinker he wants us to believe he is when it comes to releasing his music.

[strandinthewind]

I think the band saw that about WB, but in the DR doc., it was suggested that WB gave them more $$$$$ :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

"Try For The Son" AND "If you're people"... both in the same post?

From CarneVaca?

Dude, you're slipping! ;)

(Just some good natured ribbing, folks.) :)


By the way, it's a very good idea... although I'm one of those old-fogeys who prefers to have an actual CD in my hands, professionally manufactured with high-quality graphics and liner notes.

But hey, if this is the only way we can get new material from Lindsey in a timely fashion, then I'd be all for it.
Though I think one song a month is way too long of a wait.
One song per week, might be better. :)

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
"Try For The Son" AND "If you're people"... both in the same post?

From CarneVaca?

Dude, you're slipping! ;)



Yeah, I know. What's the world coming to? I tried to change the subject line on the thread, but the system doesn't allow you to do that. Oh well. :(

[wondergirl9847]

That would be awesome to get LB's music ANY way we could!

I also agree with JS in that I prefer to have a CD case with the thank you notes, lyrics, photos, etc....but hey, it's the music that's numero uno. :nod:

I have a weird feeling that within the next 10-15 years, CD's will be obsolete and music will come from the net....only. :(

Perhaps, writing to his manager would be an option? ;) Tell him, we are in dire need of Lindsey solo music or we will wither away and die. :laugh: Just kidding about the dying thing.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
And... anything else you've been holding back from us.

Which I hope and pray is a BUTTLOAD of music!!! I love the GOS songs, but I'm achin' for some never-before-heard stuff!

[Merf]

Carne I think this is an AMAZING idea. :)

And I agree that FM should ditch Warner/Reprise-- they did NOTHING to support this album. Maybe Interscope would have served them better....

[wondergirl9847]

Glad you brought up Interscope, Meredith, because one of Lindsey's fave artists, Eminem, is on that label. ;)

[stefan]

Originally posted by Merf

And I agree that FM should ditch Warner/Reprise-- they did NOTHING to support this album. Maybe Interscope would have served them better....

I think the promotion of the album was good. The AOL first listen thing reaches a lot of people. The album sold 800000 copies because that is ca the amount of people that are interested at this moment.
Blame it on today's radio, that only plays certain kind of music. Over this medium they could have raised more interest. But imo it has nothing to do with Interscope or Warners.

[Sugar]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have given copies of GOS to some of my friends (who are familiar with FM since they are my friends ;) but aren't real fans) and they LOVE it! Just LOVE it! Even thanked me for giving it to them!

A response I didn't get when I played Stevie's new stuff, let me tell you! :laugh:

I'm just convinced it would do well.

[AliP]

Originally posted by Sugar
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have given copies of GOS to some of my friends (who are familiar with FM since they are my friends ;) but aren't real fans) and they LOVE it! Just LOVE it! Even thanked me for giving it to them!

A response I didn't get when I played Stevie's new stuff, let me tell you! :laugh:

I'm just convinced it would do well.


I know I made a few copies for other people as well. My brother, for one, always tells me it's one of his favorite albums. Then he asks me why all of Lindsey's songs from GOS appear on SYW. I've told him GOS was never released, and the songs are more or less unfinished. But he keeps asking me "why didn't Lindsey put some new songs on SYW?" He obviously doesn't listen to me.

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by trackaghost
I did do a double take when I saw the "you're" heading was from you!
:D

LOL! Me too!

Carne - be flattered people are so astonished that you're not always perfect. ;)

As for the idea - yeah, it's great. But I seriously doubt it will happen anytime soon.

[Cammie]

:wavey: Carne ... your a good guy:) to think of
that idea! cd's will be replaced with buying
from the net...he could put them out as you
say and we buy them one at a time! Sky;)

We would Like:
Down on Rodeo
Try for The Son!
Steve's Riff...:eek:
SGCYM!!!chg. the end a tad!
GOS is a fantastic song!
SSS is a great Stones Cover!
Gotta Get Away!and definitely
RED ROVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and all Lindsey's Secret Tunes!

Lets all write to Tony about our
great need for Lindsey SOLO!!!
Anyone got the address? Sky:)

[face of glass]

Originally posted by stefan
Hasn't he said during an interview that he still believes in the power of albums :laugh:O.K. he used different words of course.
Yeah, that’s a good point. Lindsey probably still thinks that albums are complete works of art in that late ‘60s sense; that there’s supposed to be a theme running through the songs or they’re supposed to represent different sides of his personality. One of our gracious moderators put it best in another thread:
Originally posted by Les
What I also think he does, with every one of his solo albums, is put those songs together to collectively communicate a theme that then reflects back on the songs, providing more meaning to them. That's something else I love about his work. It truly is impressionisitic in that way. Some of the songs alone may show a flash of something that can sometimes be nebulous, but when taken with the whole album, a portrait emerges.
He may use a stray song here and there (the National Lampoon ones, “Time Bomb Town”, “On The Wrong Side”, “Bleed To Love Her”, “My Little Demon”, even the limited releases of “Peacekeeper” and “Someone’s Gotta Change Your Mind”) but he still seems to care about the album format the most. Make him offer an entire album as Bit Torrent, with all the artwork coming along with it for us to print and it’s fine. Or maybe he just wants to keep it concrete, something that he can hold in his hand.
Originally posted by nodmod
My god they don't need to hear the FM stuff, just release what the band deem fit to record, this is the band that gave them Rumours for god's sake that established their company and the members of FM have been doing this for nigh on 25 years.
Yeah, but they also know it’s Lindsey Buckingham they’re dealing with. ;)
All in all, I'm not so sure that staying with Warners was the best move for the band…
It’s the money again. Warners offered FM a bigger advance sum than Interscope did. And I’m not too sure if there’s the necessary skills to market LB’s work to the people that might be interested in it anywhere. Can you imagine ads of the same album in magazines with different target groups?

Whether it’s the attitude of the times or Lindsey’s refusal (or failure to see the changes in some areas) to adjust to them, is not known. I’d like him to be on smaller label, sure, but then he wouldn’t get to pocket all the cash from touring with FM and still pull out the tortured artist behaviour and still get away with it in my eyes. I’m sure he enjoys all that perversity. ;)

[rcb77]

I'm not a big fan of the idea that he should just throw out songs here and there. I may be old fashioned like LB, but I like albums. I like holding them in my hand, reading the liner notes, looking at the cover, all that stuff. Something gets lost with the whole dowloading thing, IMHO (although the convenience and accessibility of it is very compelling). :)

However, with that being said, LB needs to quit holding on to his stuff for so long. I can't tell you how disappointed I was throughout the mid-90's when I'd see release dates for GOS, and then have it be delayed or canceled. I know a lot of it was record company-related, but at a certain point you just have to say, "Here it is. If people like it, great. If they don't, it's the best I could do at that time." Lindsey, I love you man, but you don't have to obsess over every song for years on end. You didn't do that with Rumours and Tusk, why do it now?

[WelshWitchPMD]

While I would love to hear Lindsey's music I am not a big of fan of downloading songs. Yes I am an old fart. I also like to have photos, liner notes, etc. along with an actually CD.
I would rather just buy a friggin CD instead of waiting to hear a song a week. I don't like to wait. I just find downloading so impersonal.

[face of glass]

Originally posted by rcb77
Lindsey, I love you man, but you don't have to obsess over every song for years on end. You didn't do that with Rumours and Tusk, why do it now?
I don't think he necessarily obsesses that much over them. If GOS was completed in 1998 and the tracks remained largely unchanged for SYW then there obviously were other issues involved. Feel free to imagine what they might be. ;)

[ivorymorning]

Thinking about it, what was stopping him releasing the songs he did for GOS on his own. If Warner's were not interested and he didn't have a deal with them - why not release it himself ??

People release music independently all the time, he's got the money to do it - so what's stopping him ?

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by ivorymorning
Thinking about it, what was stopping him releasing the songs he did for GOS on his own. If Warner's were not interested and he didn't have a deal with them - why not release it himself ??

People release music independently all the time, he's got the money to do it - so what's stopping him ?

I think its two things:

First - I think he does care about the money and fame associated with it. I think he saw FM as an avenue to acheive that. I do not balme him here or view that as a sellout. He is in business to make money to support his family in their lifestyle and there is nothing wrong with that IMO :cool:

Second - I think the main reason is he really wanted to work with FM mainly because he sought reconciliation with La Nicks. I mean he goes into this on the DR doc. when he starts crying (literally) when he is saying he hope she realized and noticed how thrilled he was and how great it is that he and La Nicks can work together and the same thing, perhaps to a lesser extent IMO, for FM. I think he saw and sees this last record as a closure type thing. LB is VERY emotionally complex and La Nicks is part of that forever IMO.

Just my $0.02

[ivorymorning]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I think its two things:

He is in business to make money to support his family in their lifestyle and there is nothing wrong with that IMO :cool:

No, we all have tax and mortgages to pay, I don't have any issue with him wanting the best for his family - it's what we all strive for.

Second - I think the main reason is he really wanted to work with FM mainly because he sought reconciliation with La Nicks.

Does LB somehow look to Stevie for his success now...? Or is that heresy on this board

;)

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by ivorymorning
Does LB somehow look to Stevie for his success now...? Or is that heresy on this board

;)

I di dnot say THAT above, but i suppose amongst some it probably is :laugh:

I think he was just looking forward to working with her again becuase he likes her, they have a long history together, he thinks she is talented, etc.

But, others differ, etc.

:cool:

[Merf]

Second - I think the main reason is he really wanted to work with FM mainly because he sought reconciliation with La Nicks. I mean he goes into this on the DR doc. when he starts crying (literally) when he is saying he hope she realized and noticed how thrilled he was and how great it is that he and La Nicks can work together and the same thing, perhaps to a lesser extent IMO, for FM. I think he saw and sees this last record as a closure type thing. LB is VERY emotionally complex and La Nicks is part of that forever IMO.

:nod: Jason ITA. Maybe he fears that releasing solo stuff now would make it look like he was putting FM aside again? Which would be tragic considering how much the band (especially Liddy and La Nicks) have gone through to get to this point where they can work together on a functioning level again. On that note, I do think we'll see another FM album before Liddy releases a solo album, or perhaps, even better, we'll see some of those GOS songs that didn't make it to SYW get reworked a bit and released on a new FM album? (although I'm sure this would upset many of you here... so please don't stone me for that!) :laugh: I guess I am in the school of thought that I'd rather hear all the GOS stuff released in finished form with FM than not at all! :)