Reissues of Mirage, Tango?

[mylittledemon]

As I'm sitting here listening to the remastered TUSK thru headphones, and its giving me chills, I'm wondering about Mirage and Tango.

Do you think they will ever re-issue Fleetwood Mac Live, Mirage and Tango in the Night as 2-discers? I know Mirage had quite a bit of extra tracks. Don't know about Tango since Lindsey did most of the work on that one. What do you think?

[littlelies7]

I would think they wouldn't skip them. It would seem inane, don't you think?

[MacMan]

I think for sure Mirage would follow eventually. It's probably a forgotten album by a lot of people, other then us, but I think there is probably enough material floating around that they could come up with a double disc set. And.. I'm sure it was slapped together just the same way Tusk and Rumours were when they first were put out on disc.

Bring it on....

[Ali]

They *have* to do Tango. It's not a question. I cannot say how much that would rock my world. I'm such a bad FM fan, I haven't gotten the current reissues yet. I hate being a poor college student. :(

[DownOnRodeo]

They have to do TITN eventually. From what I understand it is the second higest grossing studio album apart from Rumours. Although maybe MyLittleDemon is right in suggesting that there's simply little-to-no outtakes, band demos and other rarities because for most of the recording time there wasn't a studio to capture every moment, the demos were probably done individually and away from the band (eg the WTTRS and Everywhere demos) and there was such poor relations within the group that there simply wasn't any jamming/noodling etc. By all accounts it was the least creative studio environment of any of FM's many records. Also, most of the TITN hits have appeared ad nauseum on remastered CDs. Everywhere/Little Lies/Big Love on the Greatest Hits, Family Man on VBOFM, Isn't it Midnight (alt) on The Chain Box Set.

Mirage, even though I prefer TITN, would make a much better deluxe edition in the vein of the current three, I think. :nod:

[DracoMalfoy]

I was just about to post a thread regarding this very same topic. :)

I hope they do reissues for all three, Live, Mirage and TITN. (Also, reissues of the pre-Buckingham/Nicks Fleetwood Mac would be awesome. Then there are the early Nicks, McVie and Buckingham solo cds that could be remastered. Not to mention the Buckingham/Nicks record......)

I can just picture a two disc Live album with tons more live tracks. One wonders why there are only 3 songs from Tusk on that cd, even though they were on tour for that album.

Does anyone know why Fireflies, Sorcerer, Smile at You, Nomad, and The Dealer weren't on either reissue of Rumours or Tusk? Or did those songs come later on, in the Mirage era?

I'd really like a studio or demo version of Fireflies. I don't have DSL and it takes forever to d/l songs with dial up.

[Ali]

I think Tango would be possible if they at least put all the various B-sides and alternate mixes on (Ricky, Book of Miracles, You and I Part One).

And I would guess that the Live album would depend on whether or not they got good recordings of the other songs on the setlist.

[whitesoxx]

I am SO hoping they'll do reissues of "Bella Donna" and "The Wild Heart" as well. The cd's that are out now sound crappy and they are such great albums!!!

Rick

[macfan 57]

Supposedly, there will be re-issues for everything on the Warner/Reprise label, from Then Play On up to I assume maybe Behind The Mask. There are lots of demos/outtakes/B sides from Mirage & Tango if they want to use them, by the way.

I think I read earlier that they had used just about everything left in the vault for the Fleetwood Mac, Rumours & Tusk re-issues. Either that isn't true or they had ALOT stolen from them. I have quite a few tracks myself that aren't on the bonus discs.

[CarneVaca]

How many copies did Tango sell? It's probably the band's second biggest seller. Johnny, where are you?

No doubt they'll reissue that one. It it will be a while, though, I'm sure.

That album got a lot of airplay. I remember hearing Big Love, Seven Wonders, Everywhere, Mystified, Family Man and Isn't It Midnight on the radio. Not too bad.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
From what I understand it is the second higest grossing studio album apart from Rumours.

But... most of the TITN hits have appeared ad nauseum on remastered CDs. Everywhere/Little Lies/Big Love on the Greatest Hits, Family Man on VBOFM, Isn't it Midnight (alt) on The Chain Box Set, etc. Although I guess it would still be good to have the album tracks remastered and have it all in one deluxe volume.

Depends on sales of the current three? Or maybe macfan is right and they'll eventually work through every release.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Ali
I think Tango would be possible if they at least put all the various B-sides and alternate mixes on (Ricky, Book of Miracles, You and I Part One).

And I would guess that the Live album would depend on whether or not they got good recordings of the other songs on the setlist.

Plus, they have some early Big Love demos, a couple Joan of Arc demos, What Has Rock 'n Roll..., alternate Seven Wonders, and I'm sure plenty of others. :)

[bucklind17]

I would love to see a reissue of Mirage. I feel like they probably have some good stuff from that period, and maybe they could stick in some live versions from the tour for that album.

I'm not the hugest fan of Tango in the Night, but it still could be interesting what they'd pull out for a reissue of it. I'm sensing demos of stuff like "Caroline" or maybe some toned down (or up!) version of "Tango in the Night". Stuff like that would get me to buy it!

[chiliD]

Jeez, doesn't anyone have PATIENCE! :shrug:


As macfan 57 posted, it has already been announced (at least a year or so ago) that the ENTIRE FLEETWOOD MAC WB/REPRISE CATALOGUE (from Then Play On forward) is getting the remaster treatment!!!!

Warner Special Products (nee "Rhino") is probably working on them as we speak.

They just weren't going to release them all in one fell swoop, they just did these three albums first, the rest will follow periodically over the next couple of years, I would think.

I don't think it is going to matter how well these three sell whether they keep going with the remaster project...they did the entire Elvis Costello catalogue and I doubt his entire re-issued catalogue sold as much as these three will sell just this week.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by dissention
Plus, they have some early Big Love demos, a couple Joan of Arc demos, What Has Rock 'n Roll..., alternate Seven Wonders, and I'm sure plenty of others. :)

The very early WISYA where Stevie sings Whassamaddababay as a soprano.;)

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I think you'll see them release them eventually. I have much love for both Mirage and Tango. However, one thing is probably certain...there won't be much from Stevie on Tango :laugh:

[hayley]

As Chili said, they're already in the process of doing the catalog. Undoubtedly we'll get nice remasters of everything, which something like MIRAGE especially is in DESPERATE need of. That CD transfer is awful.

However, don't get your hopes up that some of the albums like Mirage or TITN might have expanded versions like the new ones do. It's an expense and a lot of work- they might not think the sales are worth the extra work, and I don't disagree, as much as I'd like expanded editions myself.

[dissention]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I think you'll see them release them eventually. I have much love for both Mirage and Tango. However, one thing is probably certain...there won't be much from Stevie on Tango :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Ali]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
The very early WISYA where Stevie sings Whassamaddababay as a soprano.;)

- Jake

::cringes::

The thought of any more versions of that song hurts my everything.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by Ali
::cringes::

The thought of any more versions of that song hurts my everything.

:( I really like WISYA

::cowers in the corner away from Ali::

...although her singing that at a higher pitch? Yipes. Not so sure about that

[bucklind17]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
:( I really like WISYA

::cowers in the corner away from Ali::

...although her singing that at a higher pitch? Yipes. Not so sure about that

I like it too. Though my favorite part of the whole song is that line Lindsey sings toward the end.

[DracoMalfoy]

If they're reissuing the entire Fleetwood Mac catalogue...and this is probably a very stupid question...does that include The Dance and Say You Will?

[Johnny Stew]

I suppose I wouldn't be deeply broken-hearted if they only released 'Mirage' as a 1-disc set, with maybe a few extras (the radio versions of "Love In Store" and "Gypsy," and the non-LP b-side, "Cool Water," for example), like they did with 'Fleetwood Mac.'
Certainly an expanded version would be better, but I'd just be thrilled to FINALLY have a decent-sounding copy... the poor sound-quality on the current CD is a travesty.

But, in saying that, I would be very disappointed if 'Tango' didn't receive the expanded treatment.
The main remixes/extended versions need to be released (we don't really need all of those dub versions though), as do the non-LP b-sides.

I'm not going to hold my breath for "If You Were My Love," "Joan Of Arc," and "What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You" though.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
How many copies did Tango sell? It's probably the band's second biggest seller. Johnny, where are you?'Tango' has sold over 3 million in the states, and the worldwide figure (8 million copies) was correct as of 1997. Might be a little higher by now.

Counting the worldwide figures, it's definitely the band's second biggest selling album. :)

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Certainly an expanded version would be better, but I'd just be thrilled to FINALLY have a decent-sounding copy... the poor sound-quality on the current CD is a travesty.

It's definitely the worst. It can't even cut through the white train noise during my commute, for crying out loud.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
'Tango' has sold over 3 million in the states, and the worldwide figure (8 million copies) was correct as of 1997. Might be a little higher by now.

Counting the worldwide figures, it's definitely the band's second biggest selling album. :)

That distinction belongs to 1989's FM's Greatest Hits, which contained two new songs :cool: It has sold like 8 million in the U.S. alone I think.

[hayley]

I assumed Johnny wasn't counting the Greatest Hits package, I thought he was referring to albums of original material...

I always thought the White album sold more than Tango.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by hayley
I assumed Johnny wasn't counting the Greatest Hits package, I thought he was referring to albums of original material...

I always thought the White album sold more than Tango.

I know - but it is so rare that I get to correct Brother Stew :laugh: :sool:

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I know - but it is so rare that I get to correct Brother Stew :laugh: :sool:

:laugh:

I think Le Stew would correct La Nicks if he met her. :laugh:

Stevie: "Rhiannon, our only #1 single..."

Le Stew: "Actually, Dreams was your one and only #1 single from the 1977 album Rumours, which went on to sell almost 30 million in the US and around the world. It's certified diamond, by the way. Also, and this is a horse of a different color but a number one all the same, the remix for Planets of the Universe hit #1 on the dance charts. It was a song from your 2001 gold-certified release Toruble In Shangri-La."

:laugh: It's all in good fun, Johnny. :)

[strandinthewind]

And then he could add - you know Stevie that's why you said "Dreams" is so special to you :cool:

BTW - although Brother Stew is out of the closet ( :eek: ) , its still Le Stew, which does have a better ring to it :cool: "Le" is the masculine and "La" is the feminine. Come to think of it, I think I just said Johnny was butch ;) :wavey: :cool: :eek: :laugh:

:xoxo: WE LOVE YOU JOHNNY STEW :xoxo:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by dissention
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Stevie: "Rhiannon, our only #1 single..."

La Stew: "Actually, Dreams was your one and only #1 single from the 1977 album Rumours, which went on to sell almost 30 million in the US and around the world. It's certified diamond, by the way."
[/B]

:laugh: :laugh:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
BTW - although Brother Stew is out of the closet ( :eek: ) , its still Le Stew, which does have a better ring to it :cool: "Le" is the masculine and "La" is the feminine.

I was wondering about that. The la/le stuff, I mean.

[strandinthewind]

Also, the Dance remix of POTU was a number one single as well, although granted that was quasi solo (FM had worked on it in the past). But, you said "one and only" :cool:

Can you tell I am bored today!!!! :laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
And then he could add - you know Stevie that's why you said "Dreams" is so special to you :cool:

BTW - although Brother Stew is out of the closet ( :eek: ) , its still Le Stew, which does have a better ring to it :cool: "Le" is the masculine and "La" is the feminine. Come to think of it, I think I just said Johnny was butch ;) :wavey: :cool: :eek: :laugh:

:xoxo: WE LOVE YOU JOHNNY STEW


I'll make the correction.

:laugh:

[macfan 57]

Originally posted by hayley

I always thought the White album sold more than Tango.

It did. The White Album has sold over 5 million copies while Tango has sold over 3 million. I have no idea how much the White Album has sold outside of the U.S. The White Album is their second biggest selling studio album.

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Also, the Dance remix of POTU was a number one single as well, although granted that was quasi solo (FM had worked on it in the past). But, you said "one and only" :cool:

Can you tell I am bored today!!!! :laugh:

:laugh: I'll make that correction, too. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: I'll make that correction, too. :laugh:

and you're voting for Bush/Cheney in 04 . . .










Did it work? :laugh:

BTW - of course I am just joking!!!!

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
and you're voting for Bush/Cheney in 04 . . .










Did it work? :laugh:

BTW - of course I am just joking!!!!

You'd have to perfrom a lobotomy a la McMurphy first. ;)

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Can you tell I am bored today!!!! :laugh:

You should join The Risster and myself in writing pornographic songs about Lindsey's pants. ;) :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
That distinction belongs to 1989's FM's Greatest Hits, which contained two new songs :cool: It has sold like 8 million in the U.S. alone I think. Originally posted by hayley
I assumed Johnny wasn't counting the Greatest Hits package, I thought he was referring to albums of original material...

I always thought the White album sold more than Tango. Yep, I was referring to studio albums, not "best of" packages. :nod:

Hayley's right... of the studio albums that featured Mick, John, Christine, Lindsey & Stevie, 'Fleetwood Mac' is the band's second biggest seller in the US (5 million).
('Tango' comes in third with 3 million, followed by 'Tusk' and 'Mirage,' with 2 million apiece. Of the other releases, 'Greatest Hits' has sold over 8 million, 'The Dance' over 5 million, 'The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac' has sold 1 million+, and 'Fleetwood Mac Live' has sold over 500,000 copies.)

However, if you factor in worldwide sales figures, 'Tango' is the band's second biggest selling studio album (I just checked, and it had sold 8,697,088 copies by 2003), after 'Rumours.'

Yes, I am a nerd. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

That's Le Nerd :cool:

I was wondering about TITN because I remember LB saying it was the second best selling after Rumors and excluding the best of stuff.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I know - but it is so rare that I get to correct Brother Stew Originally posted by dissention
I think Le Stew would correct La Nicks if he met her. :laugh:

It's all in good fun, Johnny.Originally posted by strandinthewind
WE LOVE YOU JOHNNY STEWI feel like I'm at one of the Friar's Club roasts. :laugh:
Does this mean I've arrived? ;) :eek: :laugh:Originally posted by strandinthewind
Come to think of it, I think I just said Johnny was butch:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hmm... I think on a scale of 1 - 10, with 1 being the most butch, and 10 being the most, well, un-butch, I'd maybe be a 6. :laugh:

Of course, it all depends on how you grade... and I imagine my despisal of football and my enjoyment of broadway musicals might hurt me a bit. ;)

[chiliD]

Originally posted by dissention
[BI think Le Stew would correct La Nicks if he met her. :laugh:

Stevie: "Rhiannon, our only #1 single..."

Le Stew: "Actually, Dreams was your one and only #1 single from the 1977 album Rumours, which went on to sell almost 30 million in the US and around the world. It's certified diamond, by the way. Also, and this is a horse of a different color but a number one all the same, the remix for Planets of the Universe hit #1 on the dance charts. It was a song from your 2001 gold-certified release Toruble In Shangri-La."

:laugh: It's all in good fun, Johnny. :) [/B]


Let's not forget that "Albatross" hit #1 in the UK TWICE!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by chiliD
Let's not forget that "Albatross" hit #1 in the UK TWICE! "Albatross"?
You mean there was a version of Fleetwood Mac before Lindsey & Stevie?! I don't believe you! :p

[hayley]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
'The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac' has sold 1 million+,

Actually, my SS #'s (as of w/e 3-21) has VBOFM as scanning 857,688 in the U.S.

It shipped platinum based on the 2 disc config., but has only scanned that many...

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by hayley
Actually, my SS #'s (as of w/e 3-21) has VBOFM as scanning 857,688 in the U.S.
It shipped platinum based on the 2 disc config., but has only scanned that many... Cool... thanks for the correction! The figures I had must have been based on the sales of the 2 discs counted separately (I hate when they do that... it totally confuses matters). :)

[chiliD]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
That distinction belongs to 1989's FM's Greatest Hits...

It came out in 1988. :nod:

:shrug:

[face of glass]

Originally posted by dissention
It was a song from your 2001 gold-certified release Toruble In Shangri-La.
Is that supposed to be some weird slang? "The Rubble In Shangri-La"? ;)

Originally posted by chiliD
Let's not forget that "Albatross" hit #1 in the UK TWICE!
I thought it hit #2 the second time around and that “Bohemian Rhapsody” was the first to achieve two #1 positions in different releases, unless you’re reading the NME charts or something other than the official one.

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
"Albatross"?
You mean there was a version of Fleetwood Mac before Lindsey & Stevie?! I don't believe you! :p
There was one. It was called Suckingham Dicks. ;)

(Now let’s see if the mods can handle that blatant humour. :lol: )

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by chiliD
It came out in 1988. :nod:

:shrug:
:sorry:

:laugh:

We need a Mac Jeapardy championship showdown :laugh:

[marc402]

I'd love to see remasters of all the warner fm catalogue
lol i would even buy a 2 disc version of time ;)
But i think there is more chance of me becoming a milionair than a 2 disc release of time :D
anyway back to tango and mirage i hope they will both be 2 disc
but if i had to chooce i agree with johnny i could live with a single disc mirage better than i can live without a 2 disc tango
some sugestions : ofcourse the b sides like you and i part 1 and ricky and id love to have remasters versions of the 12 versions
especialy everywhere as i still don't have that on cd yet.
my favorite though is the 12" of big love.
let's trow in the big love demo as wel ;)

wonder how they will do the label of titn as the vinyl had a difirent one for the a and the b side mm

[shackin'up]

Originally posted by marc402
I'd love to see remasters of all the warner fm catalogue
lol i would even buy a 2 disc version of time ;)
But i think there is more chance of me becoming a milionair than a 2 disc release of time :D
anyway back to tango and mirage i hope they will both be 2 disc
but if i had to chooce i agree with johnny i could live with a single disc mirage better than i can live without a 2 disc tango
some sugestions : ofcourse the b sides like you and i part 1 and ricky and id love to have remasters versions of the 12 versions
especialy everywhere as i still don't have that on cd yet.
my favorite though is the 12" of big love.
let's trow in the big love demo as wel ;)

wonder how they will do the label of titn as the vinyl had a difirent one for the a and the b side mm


I like ricky and down endless street, but for the rest of it: boring, unmaclike stuff: just an attempt to go along with the dancescene of the 80's. Embarrassing. those 12"'s really are the opposite of rock "n" roll. No, then a double mirage: with a lot of outtakes of older songs they tried by then.

of course, all imho...marc...

[marc402]

Originally posted by shackin'up
I like ricky and down endless street, but for the rest of it: boring, unmaclike stuff: just an attempt to go along with the dancescene of the 80's. Embarrassing. those 12"'s really are the opposite of rock "n" roll. No, then a double mirage: with a lot of outtakes of older songs they tried by then.

of course, all imho...marc...

i know those 80's remixes are somewhat cheesy
but i think it has a certain charm to it aswell as i like 80's music to
But i understand were you're coming from i got my best friend into fm but he can't stand the remixed stuff from titn and he asked me to please turn of time when i was playing it lol
all imho aswell gerard ;)

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Lux
I wouldn't listen to time if they paid me!

:eek: CM is great on it, esp. "Nights in Estoril." Plus, the guitarist (Dave Mason, Billy Burnette) are very good as well. But, its not everyone's cup of tea :cool:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by shackin'up
I like ricky and down endless street, but for the rest of it: boring, unmaclike stuff: just an attempt to go along with the dancescene of the 80's. Embarrassing. those 12"'s really are the opposite of rock "n" roll.I've always thought they were pretty fun! :D

But embarrassing or fun, either way I think the main remixes should be included for completist's sake... leaving it up to each individual to either listen to them or skip them. :nod:

[shackin'up]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I've always thought they were pretty fun! :D

But embarrassing or fun, either way I think the main remixes should be included for completist's sake... leaving it up to each individual to either listen to them or skip them. :nod:

Oh, agreed, johnny. Back then I bought all of them:eek: :o :o

but my point was: if that would be the extra that's included on TITN, I'd rather have a double Mirage..... ( well, I think I always liked mirage better than tango..)

[RavenOfRhiannon]

JS, you'll always be a #10 on the Butch scale in my book...

On the subject of Stevie's missing demos, I am betting she will only authorize demos that have had finished product released either with the Mac or solo (i.e. Think About It, POTU) You know she wants to hold onto the other ones just in case they ever get the studio treatment.

Which begs the question, Where is the Sorcerer demo? It could have been on the White album as a bonus track

Randy

[marc402]

Originally posted by RavenOfRhiannon


Which begs the question, Where is the Sorcerer demo? It could have been on the White album as a bonus track

Randy

Could be they are keeping it for an eventual release of the "Buckingham/Nicks" album.

One hopes so anyway ;)

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by marc402
Could be they are keeping it for an eventual release of the "Buckingham/Nicks" album.

One hopes so anyway ;)

HOORAY for that notion!!!!!!! :blob1: :] :] :blob2:

[Johnny Stew]

I found this David McLees comment to ICE magazine, to be an interesting one:A lot of what would be bonus material for that record is stuff that was on the legendary Buckingham Nicks.So what does that mean exactly? Is he saying that 'Buckingham Nicks' basically served as a demo for the 'Fleetwood Mac' album, so there really wasn't anything to add to the white album? Or is he saying that the bonus material they could have included on 'Fleetwood Mac' is the same as the bonus material they could include on a 'Buckingham Nicks' reissue (ie: stuff like "If You Ever Did Believe" and "Sorcerer")?

I wish he had expanded on that comment.

[chiliD]

So why didn't they just release the white album & the Buckingham Nicks album as a two disc set with all the bonus tracks? Sometimes I wonder if record execs did well on their SATs. No wonder being a "record exec" is a temporary position.

[Cammie]

:laugh:Right ChiliD! :laugh:Record X's!:eek:
:D HA! HA! HA! HA! :laugh: Sky;) :laugh:

[squealy]

So why didn't they just release the white album & the Buckingham Nicks album as a two disc set with all the bonus tracks? Sometimes I wonder if record execs did well on their SATs. No wonder being a "record exec" is a temporary position.

It doesn't exactly make a lot of business sense to release one album as a set of bonus tracks to another album when you could release it on its own instead. That would be like giving it away for nothing.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by chiliD
So why didn't they just release the white album & the Buckingham Nicks album as a two disc set with all the bonus tracks? Sometimes I wonder if record execs did well on their SATs. No wonder being a "record exec" is a temporary position. I thoroughly agree with your questioning of record execs' warped logic... but, in this situation, McLees has said that they still have "complicated rights issues" to work out, before they could move forward with a 'Buckingham Nicks' reissue.

Whoever is holding it up, better get their head out of their bum... because that album is a GOLDMINE for all parties involved.