View Full Version : Say You Will no longer selling very good!
diamondsnake
03-18-2004, 05:38 PM
Normally when I go to amazon I type in Fleetwood Mac just for the heck of it. Normally SYW is in the top three spots, if you are familiar with amazon you know they show the top three best selling items in each cat., but for the first time SYW has dropped out of the number three spots. Now there are just the greatest hits albums in those positions.
Here I was thinking the documentary would help people be aware of this new album- but this week the album sales at amazon are actually worse!
What is wrong with this picture? Can people stop listening to Don't Stop and be a little bit more open minded to SYW, which I still say is the FM's best record to date.
And I know that things like this are going to happen during this new leg of the tour. Like clock work, when Lindsey announces that they are going to do a new song, everyone is going to flood out of the arena and head to the snack bar. I just think it is really sad.
Rant Over. :cool:
chiliD
03-18-2004, 05:53 PM
Ok, here's my theory.
Sure, the documentary brought attention to them again; but, with the radio stations making the "big announcement" of tickets for the next leg of the tour going on sale, people are choosing to buy the tickets, not the CD. Check back a couple of weeks after the next leg starts, you'll probably see a bump-up in sales of Say You Will.
I really don't see it selling a WHOLE lot more...by the time this leg of the tour gets rolling, I think SYW will have topped out. Most of the real die-hard FMac fans already have it...some in more than one format (CD, ltd edition CD, DVD-A, etc)...so, don't get your expectations too high.
Plus, with the reissue of their three most popular albums, in expanded formats, I think SYW will probably get left in the dust when it comes to CD sales.
hayley
03-18-2004, 06:04 PM
Say You Will actually had a very slight bump in sales this week (and when I say slight- I mean 1%). Sales have already plateaud (SP!!) by this point at about 800-900 copies a week, which ain't great. The VBOFM had only a 0.4% increase this week (btw, SS totals for VBOFM place it at about 40K more scanned than SYW), which isn't great either.
I expected a decent increase in sales of both records this week, and the fact that there wasn't something does shock me. But Amazon is NOT the best meter or indicator of sales by any means. Amazon's good for gauging sales within a certain demographic, but not across the board.
It makes sense for Say You Will to have been knocked out at Amazon at this point, considering the tour has the greatest hits doing better, plus the three catalog reissues next week.
stefan
03-18-2004, 06:15 PM
So what is it then? A commercial failure after all? The beginning looked good entering on No3 and I still think that PK was a success, got airplay and entered the charts for several weeks which is not self evident nowadays.
But 800000 copies- can they be content with that result? What amount did Warners need to make profit? And what are the reasons for the result? The disc contains 18 songs and even if one does not like certain styles a la Come or RRover there is enough stuff left to like for them. Or if you don`t like soft pop a la SYW the song then you also have enough different things. I think every fan could create a disc from 12-17 songs he likes (leaving out SG :laugh: )
O.K. but seriously- what`s the point? Aren't there enough potential customers for FM? Or for veteran groups per se? Or did the public not like this album? Id est: Could a different new FM album have sold more?
I don`t know but I think it's very strange to attend a concert without buying the CD. But even I know somebody who did that. A former diehard fan who now only occasionally listens to FM stuff. He simply was not interested in the new project, the time was somehow gone for him but he nevertheless was willing to buy the ticket. Even after I lent him the CD he only listened to it while doing something else and didn`t really know the songs after a longer time.
I hope that future projects won`t be cancelled because of the albums sales. They could live with reissues and touring and so on very good too. Of course I hope for new stuff...
DownOnRodeo
03-18-2004, 06:19 PM
I assumed those figures just meant that the Best Of releases were outstripping the SYW sales, not that the SYW sales had fallen. I don't know.
dissention
03-18-2004, 06:29 PM
I don't think that the doc had as much exposure for the band as originally thought; a lot of people in the country lost all Viacom stations. And besides, the doc was the kind of thing that only a true fan could sit through. It wasn't entertaining for someone who's simply familiar with GYOW or Rhiannon. JMO.
diamondsnake
03-18-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by stefan
I hope that future projects won`t be cancelled because of the albums sales. They could live with reissues and touring and so on very good too. Of course I hope for new stuff...
Wouldn't that be so sad if they couldn't get a label to make any new records?
Hey, does anyone know how other veteran artists are selling their new stuff? What about Sting's latest record which came out around the time of SYW? And didn't the Eagles or the Rolling Stone's recently come out with new stuff? How does FM compare?
I really think the bad sales are not really FM's fault. I mean no records are really selling like hot cakes, are they? Don't most people burn music from the computer these days? Or has that issue been solved? I wouldn't know- I like owning the music myself! :)
markolas
03-18-2004, 06:48 PM
Fleetwood Mac's days of selling millions of albums are long gone. It has nothing to do with the quality of the material, and everything to do with demographics and with which artists record companies give the most promotion to.
Street Angel
03-18-2004, 06:54 PM
I wonder whether signing to Interscope Records would have made a difference, at least as far as promotion and "believing in the album's potential" are concerned. :shrug:
markolas
03-18-2004, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by diamondsnake
Wouldn't that be so sad if they couldn't get a label to make any new records?</QUOTE]
If FM never makes another album, it won't be because they couldn't get a record deal. Most labels will keep an artist like FM just for "bragging rights," even though they may not sell many records. That's how Joni Mitchell survived all these years. She hasn't had a million-selling album since 1975, and yet she kept making records up until a couple of years ago.
Hey, does anyone know how other veteran artists are selling their new stuff? What about Sting's latest record which came out around the time of SYW? And didn't the Eagles or the Rolling Stone's recently come out with new stuff? How does FM compare?
I think Sting's album has done a lot better than SYW, but I'm not sure if you can compare him with FM...Sting has never really gone through a period where he wasn't hip (unlike FM), and his albums usually sell really well (even if the critics don't always like them)...and he's been around for a looong time.
ShangriLaTroubl
03-18-2004, 07:39 PM
I dont think it's safe to call Say You Will a flop...and ACTUALLY this week the sales ranking on Say You Will on amazon.com has gone up..but the others have just gone up more...Say You Will WAS like 1000 on amazon's sales ranking, I have seen it up to like 240 this week...
I really didnt expect Say You Will to do much more than it has done...The Dance was a nostalgic driven release (for the most part)...and it is interesting TVBOFM has already gone platinum, and not Say You Will...that's simply what happens with older artists...The Eagles havent released an album with new material..TVBO The Eagles has sold moderately and their single HOLE IN THE WORLD has done well on AC Charts, but you cant compare that because they havent gone so far as to release a totally new studio album yet...
Then we have to look at Say You Will in terms of, what does this commercial success really matter? It was a great album, it doesnt matter if everyone else bought it, WE Like it..so it shouldnt matter..but of course we all do want the best for our band...
This is just the way it is...Say You Will stayed on the charts longer than Madonna's American Life CD, and that says something right there...Older groups do well in the concert area generally but not in the studio album area...Lynryd Skyrnrd's album was a flop (way less than Say You Will)......and they can say albums arent selling well anymore, this is true, but Norah Jones' new CD has been out 5 weeks, at #1 for 5 weeks, and has almost went triple platinum...so there is hope!!
Ok..tata..if you made it this far! ha
Chris
dissention
03-18-2004, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by ShangriLaTroubl
The Eagles...HOLE IN THE WORLD
*shudders*
MacMan
03-18-2004, 08:04 PM
Sting is a hard act to compare FM with. Although they are both world wide acts and successful... Sting has the upper hand I believe outside the US in terms of popularity. He generally does a million per disc in the US. At least that's where I believe his current disc stands. I think his last cd did alot better, but he had a huge hit with that one song Desert Rose (could be wrong on the title) that was first a Jaguar commercial (which I thought was a video the first time I saw it).
For an artist like FM, I agree the days of selling millions and millions are over unless there is something else tied to the music to get people to connect with it. Call it a gimmick... A hit song, whatever. The Dance wasn't just a live album that everyone found great and went out and bought because of the music. It was the reformation of one of the greatest bands, and it was the most successful line-up back together for the first time in ages. It was nastalgia for alot of people. Plus it was the 20th Anniversary of Rumours, a huge success. Plus it aired on TV which can capture huge audiences. So there was something other then the music... selling the music. And it was a unique situation with The Dance.
Why do you think all these artists ala Janet Jackson and the like do all these crazy things now to get noticed....just to sell cds! Everyone seems to do something other than just play music, to get noticed and the word out there on a large scale to sell the music.
Stevie herself, although nothing close to Janets stunt, talked really openly about drug dependancy while promoting TISL. It was done like that, not only to help others that maybe in a similar situation, but also to get noticed, to connect with people, to get the word out that yes, I have a new album out.
So this time around, it's a little quieter... They are relying only on the music and the history of the band to sell the band and the cds. Had they had a couple more hits off the album like Peacekeeper, I'm sure it would have sold alot more. Which can partly be blamed on marketing of the music.
But this year could be interesting once they release the DVD of the tour. We might see album sales increase because of that. There were alot of people that saw this tour and who wouldn't want a copy of basically what they saw in concert. I mean all the shows were pretty much the same.
I don't think SYW is a flop, I think it's just more of a sign of the times.
GypsySorcerer
03-18-2004, 08:10 PM
I don't think SYW was a flop, but it certainly was no blockbuster. I think Stevie's TISL has sold as much as SYW. I know that Belladonna outsold Mirage, but they both went to #1 and went multiplatinum.
Technically, wasn't TITN a comeback album? I don't think FM was very cool in 1987, but they had some damn catchy tunes that got played on the radio. TITN became one of the best-selling albums of the 80s, even with comparably weak songs from Stevie. :ducks and hides:
The Rumours reissue is in the Top 100 at Amazon. I think that says it all. Casual fans want more "Go Your Own Way" and less "Murrow" and "Come." My mom, a casual fan who introduced me to FM, is not interested at all in SYW. I played it for her (even skipping to the more "commercial" tracks) and she didn't like it. "Their old stuff is better," she said.
Finally, and I know this will not be a popular opinion, but I think Christine's absence contributed to the less-than-stellar numbers of the album. Obviously, performing wasn't her strong suit and the concert sales have been solid. But Christine wrote several hits. There's no way that TITN would have been as successful as it was without the strength of the singles from Chris. And if not for "Hold Me" (and Gypsy) Mirage would not have even done what it did. Say what you will, but every album (1975 and later) that does not feature Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine together has not done so hot.
ShangriLaTroubl
03-18-2004, 11:16 PM
my mom who is a long time mac fan and introduced me to them...wouldnt have bought say you will if i hadnt...she likes it ok...but isnt that interested in it..
she likes whats the world coming to? say you will steal your heart away goodbye baby and bleed to love her...and thrown down
thats IT
Chris
Janet
03-19-2004, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by dissention
I don't think that the doc had as much exposure for the band as originally thought; a lot of people in the country lost all Viacom stations. And besides, the doc was the kind of thing that only a true fan could sit through. It wasn't entertaining for someone who's simply familiar with GYOW or Rhiannon. JMO.
Great point!
sparky
03-19-2004, 02:57 AM
I think this has more to do with their demographic getting older and losing interest in most new music in general. Frankly, most people who bought the band's music in the 70's and 80's have bigger fish to fry than following music. Sad, but true. Stevie was right - people are worrying about how to pay the bills, their kids (delinquent or not) and the other bs of normal everyday life.
The quality of the record is not an issue. Overall, it is an artisitically respectable product. I truly think it is the audience, coupled with the promotional silliness, and the fact there really isn't a great single on the record.
Norah Jones, whose success I support and relish, is an anomaly. Her music sounds like it has been around forever, plus she is new, so people have that "I found this great new artist" thrill about her. I would love to think that this means the general music buying public might actually become interested in actual musicianship and songwriting again, but I ain't holding my breath. This stuff goes in waves. Our band (oops, did I just pull a Stevie?) rode a tremendous wave, and good for them. It only happens once for anyone.
Gazza
03-19-2004, 03:48 AM
They would have sold a lot more here in the UK if they had gone on Parkinson. I think at one point the top 4 or 5 selling albums were all from people who had recently been on his show.
There's some sort of pop-jazz thing going on over here. I suppose it's better than faceless dance music.
As for the album, I don't know how things work over there, but I was surprised by the single choices. It was too predictable imo.
stefan
03-19-2004, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by sparky
I think this has more to do with their demographic getting older and losing interest in most new music in general.
I think you`re absolutely right about that. It`s a typical quote when someone says "the earlier stuff of artist xyz was better" People are stuck in the past, I heard quotes like that concerning different artists often too. So I don't believe SYW knocks the non- fan- casual listener out of his shoes- otherwise it would have earned more positive reactions. But in comparison to the earlier CD`s there are with Silver boredom and BTLH only two songs that occur boring to me. LB stated this being his best work. I don`t quite agree with that but I still think the new material is quite good and has less clunkers than some other albums. I mean the Eagles put out just one single song and even this one was horrible. How would an entire album sound like then...
The Christine argument... You're right about TITN. But that`s a long time ago when the band was not simply regarded as veteran act (even though not as young also) On the other hand look at her contributions later on. I think they could not compete anymore. But even if that`s just my impression- even Christine would be regarded as being one of those"older artists" and her songs wouldn't have been played on the radio too. If that was the criterium then SYW the song would have got much more recognition (as it is very Christine-like)
BTW TISL did not outsell SYW as far as I know even though it`s available for a longer time. I think I read that SYW sold ca 810000 and TISL ca 700000
Concerning the marketing... I don`t know if that was really as bad as some of you say. Remember the AOL first listen thing. AOL is huge so it reaches a lot of people. Then we have this tacky concert season opening in NY last year, (they are to blame theirselves if they put on a mediocre to bad show then no matter how cold it is- that`s the impression the people get then) and this other TV appearance. We had a lot of radio interviews and articles, we have the doc now, we`ll have reissues, we'll have soundstage, the tour and so on. I tend to believe that it's just a matter of how the time for older bands is.
Also Radio landscape has changed in the US and that seems to be a big issue.
I'd like to get a reaction from the band if they are content with the album sales or not. Early reactions were positive, but what about now? If the 800000 mark provides them the possibility (and encourages them) to move on with the next project- great.
David R
03-19-2004, 05:51 AM
Also remember that The Dance came out right before music downloading became popular, Say you will has come out in a different time for music. The marketing for the album was good, they were on radio and tv, they did all they could. I believe 600,000 was the least they wanted to sell so they passed that number, so that's good.
I did my part supporting the album, I bought the regular album, limited ed. album, and dvd audio. I also bought the very best of (even though I had all the songs already, heh)
macfan 57
03-19-2004, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
Finally, and I know this will not be a popular opinion, but I think Christine's absence contributed to the less-than-stellar numbers of the album. Obviously, performing wasn't her strong suit and the concert sales have been solid. But Christine wrote several hits. There's no way that TITN would have been as successful as it was without the strength of the singles from Chris. And if not for "Hold Me" (and Gypsy) Mirage would not have even done what it did. Say what you will, but every album (1975 and later) that does not feature Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine together has not done so hot.
I completely agree and Christine wrote MORE than several hits. TITN was promoted as a comeback album. They hadn't done anything in 5 years. That album sold alot because of all of those hit singles. It seemed everytime I turned on the radio or MTV, there was "Little Lies". That's how you sold records, then and now. Springsteen sold alot of CDs with his last album even without much radio airplay, but "The Rising" was a great album with rave reviews & Grammy nominations.
BTM sold about the same as SYW largely because Lindsey wasn't on the album. The Rumours line-up sells. That's been proven.
blinker12
03-21-2004, 12:44 AM
Why did "The Dance" sell so well?
1) Nostalgia -- classic songs people were already familiar with.
2) Novelty -- it was the Mac's first official comeback, and well-timed, just as the band (and Stevie in particular) were coming in for a critical reevaluation.
3) Hits -- Two major radio hits in "Landslide" and "Silver Springs."
4) Christine's presence. It felt more like "the real thing."
"Say You Will" had none of those. So it sold well out of the box to loyal fans, but had no legs.
rollison
03-21-2004, 12:59 PM
I really think a video would have really helped them. I always thought they should have done a video like Elton John did a little ways back...remember that one where EJ wasn't even in the video but had that dude (can't remember his name right now) play a younger EJ and lip sync the song? That would have REALLY worked for Thrown Down, and I don't know why they didn't do it, or any video other than PK for that matter...but I suspect the record company had at least a hand in that.
Instead of making a dry, bland "performance" video for PK, they could have made something a little more interesting, and get themselves a bit of airplay probably on VH1. (just forget MTV at this point)
wondergirl9847
03-21-2004, 01:03 PM
remember that one where EJ wasn't even in the video but had that dude (can't remember his name right now) play a younger EJ and lip sync the song?
Justin Timberlake.
Gailh
03-21-2004, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by blinker12
Why did "The Dance" sell so well?
1) Nostalgia -- classic songs people were already familiar with.
2) Novelty -- it was the Mac's first official comeback, and well-timed, just as the band (and Stevie in particular) were coming in for a critical reevaluation.
3) Hits -- Two major radio hits in "Landslide" and "Silver Springs."
4) Christine's presence. It felt more like "the real thing."
"Say You Will" had none of those. So it sold well out of the box to loyal fans, but had no legs.
I agree with all of the above. The tour has done well because the casual fan gets (or hopes) to see a Greatest Hits package and the committed fans get to see their heroes and heroine (sadly not heroines)
The album was for the diehard fans and because it wasn't promoted that much (at least not in England) it didn't reach a wider audience.
It will be very interesting to see how the reissues do in comparison to SYW.
Personally as I am a mature (polite word for old) fan I don't give a stuff how well the albums sell these days. As long as I like it that's all that counts. And I do (quite) like it.
Gail
diamondsnake
03-21-2004, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Gailh
Personally as I am a mature (polite word for old) fan I don't give a stuff how well the albums sell these days. As long as I like it that's all that counts. And I do (quite) like it.
Gail
But do you think this might discourage them from making another album or make it harder for them to find a label?
Speaking of making another album, Fleetwood Mac is not getting any younger ;) so they really need to take a couple months break from the tour and just sit down and record the songs. If it took them seven years from the time The Dance came out until SYW was released then we can't expect too many more records before they all head to a nursing home!
dissention
03-21-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by diamondsnake
But do you think this might discourage them from making another album or make it harder for them to find a label?
Speaking of making another album, Fleetwood Mac is not getting any younger ;) so they really need to take a couple months break from the tour and just sit down and record the songs. If it took them seven years from the time The Dance came out until SYW was released then we can't expect too many more records before they all head to a nursing home!
They'll make another one, but it'll be years before we hear it.
It took three years just to make SYW, so expect at least, if not longer since Stevie is doing a solo record before a Mac one. :rolleyes:
diamondsnake
03-21-2004, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by dissention
They'll make another one, but it'll be years before we hear it.
It took three years just to make SYW, so expect at least, if not longer since Stevie is doing a solo record before a Mac one. :rolleyes:
Turn that frown upside down. At least she'll put out something new for us to play. I think that her solo career doesn't really take away from FM because they insist on spending so much time in the studio. How long does it take Stevie, in the studio? A month? :laugh:
dissention
03-21-2004, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by diamondsnake
Turn that frown upside down. At least she'll put out something new for us to play. I think that her solo career doesn't really take away from FM because they insist on spending so much time in the studio. How long does it take Stevie, in the studio? A month? :laugh:
I'd prefer a Mac album, but that's just me.
It took her a year to do SYW, so who knows...
teedee
03-21-2004, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by dissention
I'd prefer a Mac album, but that's just me.
It took her a year to do SYW, so who knows...
did it take a year? well she was on tour with tisl, and the guys were in the studio for six months already, then she took about another month to write the extra four new songs, then they had to work on those songs, and the new production on her demos, and then add stevie to lindseys songs. im just glad they finished it and are out there. does anyone know how many songs lindsey originally had worked on for this cd, that he didnt use? im still hoping that he will do a solo cd, maybe with all the success and praise he is getting on this tour , he will be able to get a solo out and it would be nice if his record company would back him on it .
Johnny Stew
03-21-2004, 06:09 PM
I think dissention was referring to 'TISL,' rather than 'SYW.'
My theory is that the guys in the band will take time off to rest, relax, and spend with their families (as they should), and that Stevie will stay true to form by going back into the studio to record a solo album not long after coming off the road.
Which I'm all for, I have to say, since I'm chomping at the bit for a new Stevie solo.
BUT... I really hope she either doesn't tour, or does a very short tour (ala the 'White Winged Dove Tour'), so she can get back into the studio with FM, ASAP.
diamondsnake
03-21-2004, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I think dissention was referring to 'TISL,' rather than 'SYW.'
My theory is that the guys in the band will take time off to rest, relax, and spend with their families (as they should), and that Stevie will stay true to form by going back into the studio to record a solo album not long after coming off the road.
Which I'm all for, I have to say, since I'm chomping at the bit for a new Stevie solo.
BUT... I really hope she either doesn't tour, or does a very short tour (ala the 'White Winged Dove Tour'), so she can get back into the studio with FM, ASAP.
Oh, I hope she tours! I got into FM and became a Stevie fan a little late in the game, so I have yet to see a Stevie solo show.
But did TISL really take a year in the studio?
dissention
03-21-2004, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I think dissention was referring to 'TISL,' rather than 'SYW.'
Heck, it took her six years to make TISL. :laugh:
It took her about a year to do SYW, too. Let's not forget that she doesn't just go in and record her vocals and leave. She goes in and does her vocals, gives input on the mixing, gives input on the production, helps in determining which songs go on the album, and so on. If you count the month she took to write the four songs in December '01, she worked up until about December '02, up until they left Lindsey to mix the album and party in Hawaii on John's boat. :)
blinker12
03-22-2004, 12:00 AM
Yeah, both the band AND Stevie have slowed their pace in recent years.
I didn't really get into the Mac until the 1990s, but I often think how great it would have been to be a fan in the late 1970s or early 1980s, when a new Mac or solo album came out just about every year.
1975: FM
1977: Rumours
1979: Tusk
1980: Live
1981: Bella Donna, Law & Order
1982: Mirage
1983: The Wild Heart
1984: Christine McVie, Go Insane
1985: Rock a Little
Those were the days! I'd feel so spoiled if we got that much output now.
Miranda
03-22-2004, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by markolas
I think Sting's album has done a lot better than SYW, but I'm not sure if you can compare him with FM...Sting has never really gone through a period where he wasn't hip (unlike FM), and his albums usually sell really well (even if the critics don't always like them)...and he's been around for a looong time.
He also does cool videos and even tv commercials. Like Madonna he plays to the current music environment. I don't know if FM members nixed it or the label didn't want to put much promotion into it, but a couple of good videos could have helped a lot, preferably videos that didn't focus on the band as much, but that showcased the songs in an interpretive way. The EJ one mentioned before is a good example.
hayley
03-25-2004, 03:31 PM
BTW, in case anyone's interested- for the week ending March 21st (March 15-March 21 soundscan week), SYW had a very nice 230% jump in scans.
Surprised how the documentary impacted it the week after we thought it would.
ShangriLaTroubl
03-25-2004, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by hayley
BTW, in case anyone's interested- for the week ending March 21st (March 15-March 21 soundscan week), SYW had a very nice 230% jump in scans.
Surprised how the documentary impacted it the week after we thought it would.
How many did it sell that week, and did it enter back into the top 200??
I think it was probably Reprise who opted out of doing a video. After doing 2 videos for Stevie for TISL, and putting the money into that, and nothing really coming out of it they probably in part based their decision on that...VH1 was reluctant to play the Stevie videos very much at all...and I dont think a Fleetwood Mac video would do TOO well either
Chris
dissention
03-25-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by ShangriLaTroubl
I think it was probably Reprise who opted out of doing a video. After doing 2 videos for Stevie for TISL, and putting the money into that, and nothing really coming out of it they probably in part based their decision on that...VH1 was reluctant to play the Stevie videos very much at all...and I dont think a Fleetwood Mac video would do TOO well either
Chris
Yeah, but don't the artists pay for the video mostly themselves? They probably didn't want to waste the money because music videos don't do **** these days. Just look at how little the Peacekeeper video was played. I only saw it once and it was around 3 am!
hayley
03-25-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by ShangriLaTroubl
How many did it sell that week, and did it enter back into the top 200??
It is FAR from entering back into the top 200. It sold 2,893. Week before it was 899, up a whopping copies from 890.
The videos are a moot point. Dissention's right- it would've been a complete and total waste of money. Videos are not smart promotional tools for a band like Fleetwood Mac. Period.
sparky
03-25-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by dissention
Yeah, but don't the artists pay for the video mostly themselves? They probably didn't want to waste the money because music videos don't do **** these days. Just look at how little the Peacekeeper video was played. I only saw it once and it was around 3 am!
The artist will get backcharged for the video - in other words, the label pays up front, and the money is held against sales profits. So yes, the artist pays.
It was probably smart in some ways to not do many videos. But, on the flip side, if the band did a very innovative or unusual video, it may have gotten played for it's novel apsects. But, we aren't dealing with a bunch of risk takers, as is evidenced by many things we have all discussed. Also, the finances are very important to some members of the band. There are mansions to be built, babies to be raised and schooled, young wives to give jewelry, and the like..lol. That isn't conducive to popping 250k for a video.
stefan
03-25-2004, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by hayley
It is FAR from entering back into the top 200. It sold 2,893. Week before it was 899, up a whopping copies from 890.
Do you know the exact number of albums sold up to today? Last thing I read a few months ago was about ca 810000 copies in the US. What about now?
And btw are FM, Rumours and Tusk back in the charts due to the reissues? Anyone knows about that?:wavey:
hayley
03-26-2004, 12:18 PM
Current RTD is 814,619.
The re-issues won't impact until we get next week's charts on Wednesday.
dissention
03-26-2004, 12:21 PM
I love the banner, Hayley. :D
Have you seen "The Passion of the Stern" yet? :laugh:
hayley
03-26-2004, 12:23 PM
Yep!! It's hilarious.
I love Howard. I never thought I'd be a Howard fan until I moved to a city where he's carried and started listening. He's awesome. And I'm a 21 year old female, so who knows what that means.
dissention
03-26-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by hayley
Yep!! It's hilarious.
I love Howard. I never thought I'd be a Howard fan until I moved to a city where he's carried and started listening. He's awesome. And I'm a 21 year old female, so who knows what that means.
Oh, I adore him. Not only does he have balls, but he can back up everything he says and doesn't cower away. ABC just offered him a job to do news specials a la Barbara Walters for next year. :laugh:
And Robin? Love her. Her autobio was fantastic, I heartily recommend it!
shackin'up
03-26-2004, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by hayley
Videos are not smart promotional tools for a band like Fleetwood Mac. Period.
VERY true.
.....but a " push the envelope " -single would have been smart...
stefan
03-26-2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by hayley
Current RTD is 814,619.
The re-issues won't impact until we get next week's charts on Wednesday.
Thanks for the info.
hayley
03-26-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by dissention
Oh, I adore him. Not only does he have balls, but he can back up everything he says and doesn't cower away. ABC just offered him a job to do news specials a la Barbara Walters for next year. :laugh:
And Robin? Love her. Her autobio was fantastic, I heartily recommend it!
I'm definitely looking forward to the ABC specials... also looking forward to his "Howard Stern: The High School Years" animated series when it's finally finished.
You know- Robin used to drive me NUTS when I'd watch the E! show. Her laugh would make me shudder- but I've really grown to like her.
LOVE Howard!! He asks the questions everyone wants to know but don't have the balls to ask. And he's SO good right now, railing on Bush and the FCC. He's always better when he's got an enemy.
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