Destiny Rules...

[Cammie]

:wavey: :confused:The Destiny Rules video came off as expected!
Mick promised Lindsey what ever he wanted to suck
him in and than changed it his way!!! Poor John got
about three words in! He tells Mick off tho'!We were
pleased with the kindness Lindsey shows to John!:)

As always Stevie and Mick ruled the recording! If I
were Lindsey I would not want to sing about an old
love either!:eek: The past is over but Stevie embarrased
him by hanging on to the past in her songs!!!Please
Lord send the woman her own man to love!!!;)Sky:)

[kak125]

Gees, that was kinda of harsh. I dont think that way at all. I really liked the documentary and think that everything worked out perfectly.

[Merf]

Originally posted by Cammie


As always Stevie and Mick ruled the recording! If I
were Lindsey I would not want to sing about an old
love either!:eek: The past is over but Stevie embarrased
him by hanging on to the past in her songs!!!Please
Lord send the woman her own man to love!!!;)Sky:)

Did we watch the same documentary???

Lindsey and Stevie NEVER argued about the content of Stevie's songs. NOT ONCE. He said that he was AMAZED and was FLATTERED that she wrote "Thrown Down" about him. Frankly, I find your comment about "Lindsey being embarrassed that Stevie is hanging on to him through her songs" ridiculous and completely off-base.

And furthermore, she's not hanging on to anything that doesn't want to be hung on to. Why don't you hit rewind on your tape and watch the documentary again. Maybe you'll get it this time.


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[SmthngOfADreamr]

ehhhh.....right..... he was sooooooo embarassed.... :confused:

and none of Lindsey's songs are about Stevie either...

Maybe you need to pay better attention to the way he introduces that song at the concerts that you have as your quote.

[sarahw]

I agree about the harshness.....Lindsay never said he didn't want to sing the songs....and she embarassed him? I think he likes the fact that she writes about him. What man wouldn't? Like he never writes about her?

Lindsay got the most air time by far.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by Cammie
The past is over but Stevie embarrased
him by hanging on to the past in her songs!!!Please
Lord send the woman her own man to love!!!;)Sky:)

Hey Cammie! :wavey: Check out the picture courtesy of the fabulous Lux that is currently in Merf's as well as my sig. It's from a recent show in Australia. IMO, that's not a man embarassed by a former lover. Of course, I could be wrong :rolleyes:

At any rate and despite however you feel about Stevie and her "hanging on to the past," Lindsey NEVER said he was embarassed that she still wrote songs about him. He seemed genuinely touched by her words.

[diamondsnake]

That makes no sense- only a handful of songs could be about Lindsey and only one- Thrown Down, is confirmed to be about him. And you mean to tell me that Bleed To Love Her is not about Stevie? I think it is, at least...

[ShangriLaTroubl]

In all honesty I had DIFFERENT expectations of this documentary...I was expecting it to be mostly about the fighting, when in all actuality that was not the case...

For once VH1 has made an incredible show....this film showed me as a Mac fan things I never knew about them...how NORMAL they truly are..and i dunno how to explain but it really changed the way I think about this group, for the better...

I loved it...the tender and awesome moments...Stevie looked great just bein normal, casual and herself...and surpringly she wasnt very airheaded at all, but more level headed...especially about the double record comment she made about people worrying about paying their bills, not art...Who knew she REALLY understood us? lol

I left this documentary with a great feeling of a band who loves their fans and what they do...they love the music, and eachother...what a nice piece of work say you will is..

Chris

[stefan]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
That makes no sense- only a handful of songs could be about Lindsey and only one- Thrown Down, is confirmed to be about him. And you mean to tell me that Bleed To Love Her is not about Stevie? I think it is, at least...
Well it isn't. LB told the story back in the day during an interview. It`s about a different girl he met.

[laurie816]

I enjoyed the documentary. Again, as with Fleetwood Mac's music, it was like I was visiting with old friends for an evening.

Yes, there were a few 'tense moments' but they seemed to resolve them quickly. Stevie even referred to it by saying something to the effect of how she and Lindsey CAN say what they want to say to each other...whether it's positive or negative...but are able to let it go and move on, rather than have it consume them as they have in the past...Like it or not, there is a genuine love and respect between them.

John seemed happiest when he was on the boat!!

Mick was his usual self. So was Lindsey...I have a tremendous amount of respect for Lindsey as an artist and especially as a producer, where I think he's brilliant, but sometimes does come across as arrogant...which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when working as a unit, it can be difficult...but as with any dysfunctional family, they seem to know deal and handle each other. :nod:

In any case, this was great to watch.

[Kelly]

You really must be kidding posting that kind of comment. I have read this board for years, but choose not to post. However, I just cannot help myself this time. "Stevie is hanging on to Lindsey through her songs"? WTF? Maybe you do not HEAR the lyrics to Thrown Down correctly. "He fell for her again".....Stevie has confirmed many times that she wrote this song about Lindsey during the Dance tour. He, Lindsey, fell her her again, Stevie. She said last night that the barricade of time always gets in their way. Time was a factor in 97/98 because Lindsey and Kristen had gotten pregnant. During the same time frame in 97 that Kristen got pregnant, Lindsey was onstage with Stevie dedicating BTLH to Stevie on several occasions. Lindsey very obviously still has feelings for Stevie and vice versus. How far or deep those feelings really are, none of us know. One thing is for sure, a wedding ring certainly does not indicate happiness. Lindsey may very well be happy. All of his dreams may have now come true with Kristen but I see many mixed signals coming from Lindsey, not just Stevie. To basically insinuate that Stevie is pining away for Lindsey and he is unhappy that she still has enough love for him to write such beautiful songs about him is insulting. Where are all of the beautiful love songs that Lindsey has written about Kristen? Don't fool yourself, Lindsey still writes about Stevie, he just does not speak openly about it. He said it felt "strange" to be singing songs that he knew were written about him. He did not say or indicate he did not like it, or was unhappy about it. For heavens sake, stop putting words in Lindsey's mouth and misrepresenting most of what he says about things.

KellyAnne

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Cammie
As always Stevie and Mick ruled the recording! If I
were Lindsey I would not want to sing about an old
love either!:eek: The past is over but Stevie embarrased
him by hanging on to the past in her songs!!!Please
Lord send the woman her own man to love!!!;)Sky:)

So, by the same logic SN should have declined to sing on "Say Goodbye," which is all about LB and SN and was written 15 or so years ago :shrug: Moreover, the only song of SN's nine that I can see on SYW that was written about LB was TD, which was written during The Dance. So, apparently that was not old love from the 70's - it was new love from 1997. People have speculated SN's EFO is about LB, but no proof exists to support this. But, even if it was, that is only two of nine songs :shrug: Two of nine is one more than LB's one song about SN, which again was written about 15 years ago. So, SN's songs to LB are about their new relationship and LB's are about the old. Hmmmm. Finally, Stevie has said LB is flattered that she writes about him and he has made no comment that he dislikes it and he certainly has commented on the fact that she writes about him.

I suggest getting your facts straight before posting such incorrect and inciteful comments.

[BBALLGYPSY17]

Oh gag me.. I'm not even going to bite. :rolleyes: You really are the biasly blind.. aren't you? This goes a step beyond harsh. I echo the sentiments everyone else had said, get over their closeness....that won't change. And he was touched. There wasn't one moment he was uncomfortable.

[Miranda]

Now everyone's piling on. Wow! Her comments aren't really all that off-base. Maybe just the last one. Obviously, Stevie and Lindsey both still have a torch. The bummer is men get to have it all, the young wives to keep the homefires burning, the little kiddies, but they get to flame their true passions at work. Stevie, on the other hand, has her dogs and her work. She can't have it both ways like the guys. It sucks. Still, her family (Mom, Dad, Chris, Lori, Jessica) must be what keeps her grounded. How else could she keep doing what she does?

I don't see her as desperately hanging on to Lindsey. She wants closure. She wants reassurance that everything they went through together was not just for the fame and money, which are meaningless as you get older if you lose everything else in the process. I see her making the utmost of a situation I wouldn't be able to deal with after all the years of agony and heartache. She's come a long way in maturity, I think.

[Miranda]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Hey Cammie! :wavey: Check out the picture courtesy of the fabulous Lux that is currently in Merf's as well as my sig. It's from a recent show in Australia. IMO, that's not a man embarassed by a former lover. Of course, I could be wrong :rolleyes:


People who know ALL the history between them might say that pic shows something else, too. Take a look at her, not just him. Does she seem comfortable to you? I don't think he means it this way, but a lot of people who know his treatment of her when they were together could say he is doing that in a controlling way. I don't think it's like that now, but old habits die hard in some people's minds and her hand placement and her facial expression could be seen as defensive, if you know what I mean.

[rhiannon1119]

Originally posted by Cammie
As always Stevie and Mick ruled the recording! If I
were Lindsey I would not want to sing about an old
love either!:eek: The past is over but Stevie embarrased
him by hanging on to the past in her songs!!!Please
Lord send the woman her own man to love!!!;)Sky:)

Did you watch the same documentary as the rest of us?? I think you might want to watch it again because I didn't get that impression at all and neither did anyone else I talked to about it!

:) Michelle

[Merf]

Originally posted by Miranda
People who know ALL the history between them might say that pic shows something else, too. Take a look at her, not just him. Does she seem comfortable to you? I don't think he means it this way, but a lot of people who know his treatment of her when they were together could say he is doing that in a controlling way. I don't think it's like that now, but old habits die hard in some people's minds and her hand placement and her facial expression could be seen as defensive, if you know what I mean.

I do know ALL the history between them and I don't see this as anything else but a loving gesture. I don't see that Stevie is uncomfortable with him doing this at all. And this isn't the first time he's done that sort of thing at the end of the show, either. During the second Atlanta show in September, he did a similar thing but no one caught it on camera.

[sulamith]

you know Cammie...





Nah.....

I thought better of it.

-Sharon

[4Buck]

.......Cammie's either 5.....or 85.......or she's definitely on something!......

Very strange, indeed.......

[Johnny Stew]

We don't have to agree with everyone's opinions, but please refrain from making personal digs against anyone.

We have very firm guidelines against that here.

Thank you.

[SteveMacD]

I think people read too much into their relationship. They WERE lovers.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by SteveMacD
I'm not so sure that song is about Lindsey. I've said in other forums what I think the song is really about, but it usually leads to a flame war.

Are you sure you do not mean Goodbye Baby? LB stated he wrote Say Goodbye about leaving SN and the band. Conversely, SN has never mentioned what GB is about, although the speculation dies indeed usually lead to a flame out as you mentioned. But, if you meant Say Goodbye - no offense itended - I was just confused (as usual :laugh: ) :cool:

[SteveMacD]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Are you sure you do not mean Goodbye Baby? LB stated he wrote Say Goodbye about leaving SN and the band. Conversely, SN has never mentioned what GB is about, although the speculation dies indeed usually lead to a flame out as you mentioned. But, if you meant Say Goodbye - no offense itended - I was just confused (as usual :laugh: ) :cool:

Yeah, I got confused, which is why I edited the message. (Boy, you folks sure reply quickly:laugh: ) Incidentally, I noticed your Freudian slip ("speculation dies indeed...":laugh: )

[Sorcerer386]

I agree that the documentary was great in showing all four members as normal people. It was really interesting hearing how much input Stevie has for the songs. I actually felt bad for Lindsey at times because it seemed like Stevie and Mick were kind of ganging up on him, but then at some points Lindsey was just a little too whiny. I had to laugh because my sister who doesn't know an awful lot about Fleetwood Mac turned to me at one point and said, "Oh my God, he's such a crybaby." (Lindsey lovers, don't get offended please, just restating what she felt about him because of the documentary). It also seems to me that Stevie is much more down to Earth, especially with that commerciality analysis, knowing that 10-27 year olds are buying music and they won't want to buy 23 songs from ppl in their 50's, and they won't get the deep meaning behind it. It's sad that it has to come down to the commercial aspect, but in all honesty, she's right. The only thing that confuses me is, if she gets it, and other members of the band get it, then why market the album to an older audience by not even releasing the singles to the younger radio stations? It couldn't have hurt.

Lastly, I don't think I was annoyed by the fact that they showed nothing of the heated arguments between Lindsey and Stevie over the running order or the arguments over him staying at home to finish the album while everyone went to Hawaii. They just showed Mick sort of gloss over that part. I was waiting to see some of that, because it's still unclear (at least to me) what the running-order arguments were all about. So, that's my whole analysis of the documentary. All in all I loved it.

[4Buck]

I see it this way:

Fleetwood Mac got along very well, but Stevie Nicks still likes to nitpick.....while Lindsey Buckingham FIXES the problem... :)

I did notice how limited Nicks is in her recording skills. She’s still like a new singer-songwriter who just does her homework, shows up and rehearses diligently, nitpicks the decisions her producer/arranger/engineer makes, and then goes home. Doesn’t do anything beyond that. In fact, Nicks hasn't grown in the recording studio since the TUSK video........

Buckingham has learned to engineer since then, and become a vituoso guitar player......

Nicks has been in the music business so long. For example, since she's in her twilight years now, – if she wants something her way which she always does – she should be producing albums like her TISL -- ENTIRELY -- by herself............

Also, here's the quote as to Buckingham feels about Nicks' THROWN DOWN which she wrote about him:

"It’s odd sitting here singing all this stuff about myself, you sort of learned to disassociate and sort of be professional about it...

But it’s pretty amazing that all this time later there’d still be those subjects being dealt with in a really deep manner." - Lindsey Buckingham from "DESTINY RULES DOCUMENTARY

[Lee]

that Stevie is still trying to hang on to Lindsey.

Musicians that write music write about things/relationships that they've experienced in the past, & they write about things about the present. Stevie wrote some songs years ago & stuck them in her vault. She brings them out for SYW. Of course, they are all about Lindsey. He was a very big part of her life. I think Lindsey is flattered; I don't think he thinks she's like stalking him or anything. They work together. I think they are all very business like, professional, at least that what I observed. They may be a sort of fondness there between them but only they know for sure. Stevie wrote about 9/11, but really there is not much is happening in her life now. What's she supposed to write about, her dogs? (Well, maybe. I know I'd have a doozy of a song about my dog.) I don't think she nitpicks; she's just fighting for her songs. She wants their meaning to get through, their originality.

On another note, I think Stevie really has a sense of humor (the singing fish), & it's nice to know she wears stuff other than black & I actually think she had sandals on once.

And though Lindsey still favors his white t-shirt, he wears other shirts, too!

And John does look bored to tears sometimes.

And Mick just hold them altogether.

Oh, I would have loved the double album, but maybe it wouldn't have sold as well.

I think this documentary just made them look more human.

Lee :)