View Full Version : What's meaner: Wrong or GYOW
CarneVaca
03-01-2004, 04:42 PM
I listened to "Wrong" last week for the first time in a long time. It struck me as one of Lindsey's meanest songs. The "piggy in the middle," "another piece of glitz" and "rockcock" references are so pointedly directed at the individual that it had to hurt to hear them. "Advance was spent sometime ago." Ouch.
Did Mick deserve it?
To me this song seems more laden with invective than "Go Your Own Way." Gee, who hasn't uttered a nasty word or two about a former lover?
strandinthewind
03-01-2004, 04:57 PM
Wrong.
I think GYOW while hateful, still has a little bit of "I still love her" in it. He is almost yearningly hurt. I mean usually when people lash out at a very recent ex, they are still in love with them ect. Wrong on the other hand is just an explosion of "screw you" IMO :laugh:
shackin'up
03-01-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by strandinthewind
Wrong.
I think GYOW while hateful, still has a little bit of "I still love her" in it. He is almost yearningly hurt. I mean usually when people lash out at a very recent ex, they are still in love with them ect. Wrong on the other hand is just an explosion of "screw you" IMO :laugh:
Well, that's the reason exactly why I would choose GYOW. Because of the "i love you still" underneath the classic it's more painful. Wrong is more of a rude ( and very funny imo ) finger pointing up. No not the index:laugh:
gerald
jbrownsjr
03-01-2004, 08:31 PM
I'm gonna say there was more venom in Wrong.
:nod:
Sugar
03-01-2004, 08:37 PM
Wrong, easily.
I actually don't think GYOW is all that mean. Always sounded a bit more like sour grapes to me. Even whiney.
:laugh:
Now if you asked me to choose between WMYTYTO and Wrong, hmmmmm, that I'd have to think about a bit more. :cool:
Wrong, without a doubt.
I think you still get the sense of love in GYOW, I mean you see that on stage, still, 25+ years later. The words in GYOW were the words of a man who didn't want his lover to leave. The words in Wrong were without a doubt more venomous.
CarneVaca
03-02-2004, 01:17 PM
I've always loved "Wrong." Great lines. And in typical Lindsey fashion, he gives the song a somewhat playful arrangement, almost taunting. That sort of backslapping country beat, the relentelss acoustic riff, the mean lead at the end. And especially the siren. Love it, love it.
But what about the Ledge. Pretty mean too, nyet?
dissention
03-02-2004, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
But what about the Ledge. Pretty mean too, nyet?
I always thought that was a *vicious* song. That's probably why it's one of my favorites. ;) That song runs the whole gamut, man. And I think it's the only song where he mentions "hate" at such an extreme.
As for the question, Wrong is meaner than GYOW, but it also has a wicked sense of humor. It's very witty and funny. Mick didn't find it funny on Lindsey's BTM episode, though. ;)
CarneVaca
03-02-2004, 01:50 PM
I know. You could feel the tension when the "rockcock" reference came up. Priceless. For everything else, there's Master Card.
shackin'up
03-02-2004, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by dissention
I always thought that was a *vicious* song. That's probably why it's one of my favorites. ;) That song runs the whole gamut, man. And I think it's the only song where he mentions "hate" at such an extreme.
Maybe I'm missing things here because of the "not-mothertongue" it's written in for me. I sense a lot of bitterness, but where's the hate?
gerald
CarneVaca
03-02-2004, 04:09 PM
Gerald, that's a reference to the lines, "Do you ever wonder/do you ever hate" in The Ledge.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I am leaning toward concluding The Ledge is the most vicious song of them all. Lindsey is saying bluntly, "You're never gonna make it, baby." As if he's saying: "Hey, foggheddaboutit if you think you can go solo and be successful without me." Ouch. Even I have to admit that's pretty mean. But, hey, it's a great song to my ears nonetheless.
"What Makes You Think You're the One" pales in comparison. It's more of a sardonic, "Hey, just who the hell do you think you are? Some kind of star?" Seems to be pointing to the perceived hubris of the target subject.
Great, powerful stuff.
wondergirl9847
03-02-2004, 04:23 PM
Wrong, to me, is funny. LOL Young Mister Rock*bleep*...funny stuff! :laugh:
Perhaps if GYOW was directed at me, I would read it as hateful, but I see it as melancholy. There's some anger there, but overall, eh, I don't see it as mean. His hurt comes through.
The Ledge is mean. I can see that:
You can love me baby but you can't walk out
Someone oughta tell you what it's really all about
Do you ever wonder
Do you ever hate
Six feet under
Someone who can wait
You can love me baby but you can't walk out
Someone oughta tell you
Oughta tell you what it's really all about
You're never gonna make it baby
and
Buy another fixture
Tell another lie
Paint another picture
See who's surprised
That first line is probably directed towards Stevie buying extravagant things perhaps. Telling lies, I guess about their relationship and being with Mick? Paint another picture, we all know she paints and see who's surprised...meaning, you are always the same, you don't take chances? I dunno. :shrug:
WMYTYTO is mean. Not in a hateful way, but in a taunting way. Like "na na na na na". LOL
Johnny Stew
03-02-2004, 04:32 PM
I've often thought that if "The Ledge" and "What Makes You Think You're The One" are indeed about Stevie, then she's gotten the last laugh.
"You're never gonna make it, baby"... Well, she definitely did make it... though with varying levels of success. But making it is making it, after all.
"Everything you do has been done, and this won't last forever"... 25 years after that song was released, it definitely looks like Stevie's place in the rock music pantheon will last forever. :nod:
Anyway... most vicious song?
Probably "What Makes You Think You're The One"... which is pretty accusatory, aggressive and venomous, in that oh-so-delicious kind of way. :)
David
03-02-2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I've often thought that if "The Ledge" and "What Makes You Think You're The One" are indeed about Stevie, then she's gotten the last laugh.
"You're never gonna make it, baby"... Well, she definitely did make it... though with varying levels of success. But making it is making it, after all. Not always. I think Lindsey means that this woman in the song is oblivious to her lover's needs, or is unwilling to engage him in the mutually beneficial give-and-take of a mature relationship. I suppose we can lend credence to any number of interpretations of this caustic little song "The Ledge."
I hate to speak of a song's voice as necessarily identical to that of the author (for all we know, the voice in the song might be Stevie Nicks grumbling about Lindsey Buckingham -- or two or more entirely unrelated people). When Lindsey was working out the words to "The Ledge," in 1978 or 1979, Stevie was already popular -- more popular than she or anyone else in that group has ever been since. That would be odd for Lindsey to say to the most famous female in rock, "You're never gonna make it in this business."
David
03-02-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Perhaps if GYOW was directed at me, I would read it as hateful, but I see it as melancholy. There's some anger there, but overall, eh, I don't see it as mean. His hurt comes through.I feel that, too, Christy. GYOW is loaded with disappointment & the wish that things were better.
Buy another fixture
Tell another lie
Paint another picture
See who's surprised
Paint another picture, we all know she paints and see who's surprised...Lindsey & Stevie & Christine all paint. Maybe the song is actually about Christine & John!
Sugar
03-02-2004, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
Gerald, that's a reference to the lines, "Do you ever wonder/do you ever hate" in The Ledge.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I am leaning toward concluding The Ledge is the most vicious song of them all. Lindsey is saying bluntly, "You're never gonna make it, baby." As if he's saying: "Hey, foggheddaboutit if you think you can go solo and be successful without me." Ouch. Even I have to admit that's pretty mean. But, hey, it's a great song to my ears nonetheless.
"What Makes You Think You're the One" pales in comparison. It's more of a sardonic, "Hey, just who the hell do you think you are? Some kind of star?" Seems to be pointing to the perceived hubris of the target subject.
Great, powerful stuff.
I never took these as references to her career. I always heard "never gonna make it baby" as a reference to her as a person. And this song is whiney, too! :laugh: "You can love me baby/ but you can't walk out"...wah! And of course, she DID walk out!
And while we're on this, what do we think about "six feet under/ someone who can wait"? I mean obviously someone who is dead can "wait" but what do we think he's getting at?
I'm still going with WMYTYTO, and part of this is the delivery. Even the title! And of course the live versions of this I've heard are heart wrenching! He's just up there bleeding!
CarneVaca
03-02-2004, 10:10 PM
Sugar, good point about the "six feet under" line. I just don't know what to make of it.
I thought I had read somewhere The Ledge is about Stevie. Perhaps it was speculation here on the Ledge. But it seems to fit, nyet?
Great song.
Cammie
03-02-2004, 11:48 PM
:cool: WMYTYTO :mad: is a really really bitter-
sweet LB tune! Whoever it is aimed at
has hurt Lindsey really bad!!!:shrug::mad:
WRONG is about betrayal by a good friend!
The Worst...Sneaky kind that Hurts!!!:eek: Sky;)
Sugar
03-03-2004, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
I thought I had read somewhere The Ledge is about Stevie. Perhaps it was speculation here on the Ledge. But it seems to fit, nyet?
Great song.
OH yeah! I think most of Lindsey's Tusk songs about Stevie. Gotta wonder what stage of denial he was in when he wrote "They told me that I never would recover/ still some say they knew me well"! :laugh:
When they're not about Stevie I suspect they are his ruminations about leaving the band (That's All For Everyone, maybe even That's Enough for Me). Once he realized he and Stevie could never go back to the way it was (even if it wasn't a matter of it being "over";))I'm sure this was when Mr. "I wanna be in The Clash" started seriously thinking about jumping ship.
jbrownsjr
03-03-2004, 12:23 PM
I love all these songs.
The line "someone ought to tell you what it's really all about"
that's my favorite
like, you have no idea what you're doing! you need help!
sodascouts
03-03-2004, 01:28 PM
I've never thought GYOW was mean. Stevie makes a big deal out of that for nothing.
As for "Wrong" - yeah, that was mean, and we'll never know how much of Mick's book did "get it wrong." But when I watched the BTM, I thought Mick look FLATTERED. He loves to be the object of songs - how many times has he bragged "I'm the great dark wing!" I think he's always been jealous of Lindsey-the-muse in that regard. And his "surprise" was so feigned. How could he NOT know "Wrong" was about him? Come on. "PIGGY IN THE MIDDLE" people. Mick would have to be retarded not to realize that was referring to the chapter in his book of the SAME name that dished about his fling with Stevie.
It's hard for me to say whether WMYTYTO is meaner than "The Ledge" because they are so similar both in tone and theme. I'm gonna try and put myself in Lindsey's shoes here, lol.
Here's my take on "The Ledge" and some of the ways it ties in with WMYTYTO - when he says "You can't walk out" he means she can't leave him alone entirely. Sure, she's broken up with him, but they occasionally still hit the sheets. At the very least she's still entwined with him musically, expecting him to "do" for her despite the fact that she has ripped out his heart and tap danced on it. In WMYTWTO we see Lindsey grousing about Stevie wanting and encouraging him to continue to want her after she's left, playing ego-centric mind games with him. I think that's what he's referring to here as well, and I see "you're never gonna make it" as connected to this.
In his eyes, her grossly over-inflated ego couldn't take it if Lindsey cut her off entirely, which he plans to do - "it won't last forever" from WMYTYTO - so be ready for the fall, baby. See if you can make it as Stevie the Great without your little worshipper. "What makes you think I'm the one who will love you forever"? Do you think I'm just gonna take it, that you can treat me like crap and I'll still make moon eyes at the self-proclaimed center of my universe? Take your planets of the universe and shove them where the sun don't shine. You'll see that I can love again the way I loved you - and BETTER. So, now you can go "paint a picture" - a song - about how wronged you were. "I know I could have loved you but you would not let me"? WhatEVER. But no one's surprised at how you try to paint yourself as a blameless martyr suffering under the cruel dictatorship of a jealous, arrogant, condescending dragon-boy. Well, that is NOT me, babe, no matter how much you'd like everyone to think so! So BITE ME!
In other words, Lindsey is mad as hell and he's not gonna take it anymore! lol
dissention
03-03-2004, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I've often thought that if "The Ledge" and "What Makes You Think You're The One" are indeed about Stevie, then she's gotten the last laugh.
"You're never gonna make it, baby"... Well, she definitely did make it... though with varying levels of success. But making it is making it, after all.
"Everything you do has been done, and this won't last forever"... 25 years after that song was released, it definitely looks like Stevie's place in the rock music pantheon will last forever. :nod:
I think you're interpreting the song the wrong way. He isn't talking about making it in the music biz as a solo artist, he's talking about making it in love. She left him and it hurt him so badly that he thinks to himself 'You're never gonna make it in love with anyone, you just blew it.' This was probably recorded in late '78 or early '79 and her plans to go solo weren't even disclosed to the band during that time.
So, if you look at it as 'Who got the last laugh?', it was most certainly Lindsey. :laugh:
dissention
03-03-2004, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
Sugar, good point about the "six feet under" line. I just don't know what to make of it.
I've always interpreted it to mean that Lindsey knows Stevie is going to be miserable, so instead of her just withering away, she can be miserable for awhile. He can wait for her to finally die and let her suffer while she's still around.
Like I said, this song is *vicious*. :nod:
dissention
03-03-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by sodascouts
I've never thought GYOW was mean. Stevie makes a big deal out of that for nothing.
Well, I can't say I'd be very pleased if my ex-lover wrote a fantastic, hit song about me where they said "packing up and shacking up" is all I wanted to do. :laugh:
Johnny Stew
03-03-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by dissention
I think you're interpreting the song the wrong way. He isn't talking about making it in the music biz as a solo artist, he's talking about making it in love. She left him and it hurt him so badly that he thinks to himself 'You're never gonna make it in love with anyone, you just blew it.' This was probably recorded in late '78 or early '79 and her plans to go solo weren't even disclosed to the band during that time.
So, if you look at it as 'Who got the last laugh?', it was most certainly Lindsey. :laugh: To be completely honest, I've never really thought that Stevie and Lindsey's 'Tusk' songs were about each other, although a lot of people certainly have that interpretation.
As 'Tusk' was being written and recorded, Stevie had already dated both Mick and Don Henley, and Lindsey had apparently had at least one relationship between Stevie and Carol Ann Harris... so those relationships could certainly provide fodder for plenty of songs.
And in interviews Lindsey seems to imply that only one of his 'Tusk' tracks was written about Stevie ("That's Enough For Me"). So we can either believe him, or believe he was skirting around the issue.
Anyway, I was just ruminating on the idea that CarneVaca (and others in the past) put forth, that Lindsey might have been commenting on what he (Lindsey) may have felt as Stevie's inability to make music without his "guidance."
So yeah, when that particular meaning has been applied to the songs, then I've often thought that Stevie had the last laugh.
As far as the last laugh, relationship-wise, I guess that would depend on how truly happy one is in their relationship.
Despite popular opinion, you can be pretty doggone happy being single... and pretty doggone miserable being married. :nod:
dissention
03-03-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
To be completely honest, I've never really thought that Stevie and Lindsey's 'Tusk' songs were about each other, although a lot of people certainly have that interpretation.
As 'Tusk' was being written and recorded, Stevie had already dated both Mick and Don Henley, and Lindsey had apparently had at least one relationship between Stevie and Carol Ann Harris... so those relationships could certainly provide fodder for plenty of songs.
And in interviews Lindsey seems to imply that only one of his 'Tusk' tracks was written about Stevie ("That's Enough For Me"). So we can either believe him, or believe he was skirting around the issue.
Anyway, I was just ruminating on the idea that CarneVaca (and others in the past) put forth, that Lindsey might have been commenting on what he (Lindsey) may have felt as Stevie's inability to make music without his "guidance."
So yeah, when that particular meaning has been applied to the songs, then I've often thought that Stevie had the last laugh.
As far as the last laugh, relationship-wise, I guess that would depend on how truly happy one is in their relationship.
Despite popular opinion, you can be pretty doggone happy being single... and pretty doggone miserable being married. :nod:
Not all of the songs were about each other, but a good 85% of them were. I mean, Stevie says to this day that Lindsey is a "well of inspiration" for her songs, so I find it hard to believe that at the height of the craziness, these songs weren't about each other. Storms *screams* Lindsey, just as The Ledge *screams* Stevie.
As for what Lindsey has said in interviews, to be frank, every member contradicts themselves in different interviews. I believe that at that particular time, Lindsey probably didn't want to admit that thsoe songs were about Stevie because they had broken up years earlier.
Johnny Stew
03-03-2004, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by dissention
Storms *screams* LindseyYou think? See, ever since Mick's book, I've thought "Storms" sounded like it could very well be about him, given the fact that he broke up with Stevie because of his blossoming relationship with Sara Recor.
"I haven't felt this way I feel, since many a year ago...."
"She said, every night, 'he will break your heart'...."
"I should have known from the first, I'd be the broken-hearted...."
Of course, we know that Stevie often pulls bits and pieces from various passages in her journals (and, therefore, various experiences and relationships), to form her songs... so I suppose it could actually be about both Mick and Lindsey.
Johnny Stew
03-03-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by sodascouts
In WMYTWTO we see Lindsey grousing about Stevie wanting and encouraging him to continue to want her after she's left, playing ego-centric mind games with him. I think that's what he's referring to here as well, and I see "you're never gonna make it" as connected to this.
In his eyes, her grossly over-inflated ego couldn't take it if Lindsey cut her off entirely, which he plans to do - "it won't last forever" from WMYTYTO - so be ready for the fall, baby. See if you can make it as Stevie the Great without your little worshipper. "What makes you think I'm the one who will love you forever"? Do you think I'm just gonna take it, that you can treat me like crap and I'll still make moon eyes at the self-proclaimed center of my universe? Take your planets of the universe and shove them where the sun don't shine. You'll see that I can love again the way I loved you - and BETTER. So, now you can go "paint a picture" - a song - about how wronged you were. "I know I could have loved you but you would not let me"? WhatEVER. But no one's surprised at how you try to paint yourself as a blameless martyr suffering under the cruel dictatorship of a jealous, arrogant, condescending dragon-boy. Well, that is NOT me, babe, no matter how much you'd like everyone to think so!See, I still don't feel that Stevie intentionally encouraged Lindsey to still want her, by sleeping with him, etc.
Now, I DO think that... based on what I know of human emotion... that she WANTED him to still want and love her.
Whatever else can be said, she DID love him after all... but she felt secondary to everything else in his life: his music-making, his guitar-playing, etc.... and she got sick of it.
Seriously, what person on this Earth wants to feel like they're second-class in the life of the person they most love?
I know I personally wouldn't stand for that.
But that doesn't stop her from loving him... and in a very human way, a huge part of Stevie probably hoped and prayed that breaking up with Lindsey would be the eye-opener that he needed, to make him stand up and realize that he had been taking her for granted.
Sort of like, "I've told you time and time again that this behaviour makes me unhappy... so this time I'm going to SHOW you how unhappy I am, by leaving you........ BUT, I hope you get the message, and come back to me, so we can stay together."
But Lindsey didn't do that. It seems (from what we know) that he didn't make any moves to win Stevie back... which probably hurt her deeply.
"Well, I guess you didn't love me as much as you claimed, if you can just let me walk away."
Lindsey, for his part, was hurt too, and probably couldn't understand where Stevie was coming from.
"Of COURSE I love you... don't you see that, by how much care I put into arranging your songs?"
So they both became angry with one another, and their pride and egos began to make it all the more difficult for them to work things out.
Then they both started dating other people... half for companionship, probably, and perhaps half out of spite.
Eventually animosity built so high, that there was no going back.
She was hurt because she felt he should have loved her enough to try and make things better.
And he was hurt because he felt she should have known after all those years, that he truly did love her and need her.
So I do not believe that she actively set out to make sure Lindsey continued to want her, by flirting with him or still occasionally sleeping with him, or whatever. Though I know that others feel that they've probably slept with each other many times since the break-up.
I guess it's all down to perception.
dissention
03-03-2004, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
You think? See, ever since Mick's book, I've thought "Storms" sounded like it could very well be about him, given the fact that he broke up with Stevie because of his blossoming relationship with Sara Recor.
"I haven't felt this way I feel, since many a year ago...."
"She said, every night, 'he will break your heart'...."
"I should have known from the first, I'd be the broken-hearted...."
Of course, we know that Stevie often pulls bits and pieces from various passages in her journals (and, therefore, various experiences and relationships), to form her songs... so I suppose it could actually be about both Mick and Lindsey.
While I don't think that the song is completely about Lindsey, I do think it is mostly about him. I do see shades of Mick, though. The whole song reads a suicide note, so she probably just took those two men and blended them together. :)
CarneVaca
03-04-2004, 09:33 AM
I could swear I read an article that made the reference to The Ledge being about Stevie's plans for a solo career. But someone pointed out the timing might have been off, though it's hard to tell with any certainty. She must have been planning to go solo already during the recording of Tusk, I would think. She was growing impatient with not getting enough of her songs out.
And when you think in those terms, you can perhaps apply the six feet under line to her career. You're never gonna make it, baby.
And if that's the case, Lindsey was clearly wrong. Which brings us back to "Wrong." If you ask me, everything about that song is right.
shackin'up
03-04-2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
And if that's the case, Lindsey was clearly wrong. Which brings us back to "Wrong." If you ask me, everything about that song is right.
Well, Carne, it brings you back to wrong, which I agree is right, but Im still in the Ledge. One of his greatest songs imo. I like dissentions interpretation of the six feet under-line. And I really don't think he was writing about stevie going solo, or he used that as a metaphore for going solo in life. (read: without him). On the other hand, they play with those twowaystreets contantly. Even now. (thrown down).
Why is he counting on his fingers, counting on his toes watching how it grows? What grows? I count 20. Nothing more.:eek: ?:laugh:
can anyone explain this expression?
Johnny Stew
03-04-2004, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by shackin'up
Why is he counting on his fingers, counting on his toes watching how it grows? What grows? I count 20. Nothing more.:eek: ?:laugh:
can anyone explain this expression? I'm not sure what he's counting, or why, but I've always thought the line, "slippin' thru your fingers, watchin' how it grows," was about the naughtiest thing I'd ever heard in a song... well, in a song that wasn't being blatant in its naughtiness, that is.
But I could be the only one with that particular interpretation, and it might have something to do with the fact that I was about 15/16 when I first heard it! :eek:
wondergirl9847
03-04-2004, 02:19 PM
I started a thread awhile ago about the dirty lyrics that aren't MEANT to be dirty.....that was one I remember!! BWAH!!!
Yep, we are all perennially 12 years old. :laugh:
CarneVaca
03-04-2004, 02:23 PM
Gee, I almost feel silly now. I never thought of that. :confused:
Johnny Stew
03-04-2004, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
Gee, I almost feel silly now. I never thought of that. :confused: No worries... I feel silly for thinking of that. *lol*
dissention
03-04-2004, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by shackin'up
Why is he counting on his fingers, counting on his toes watching how it grows? What grows? I count 20. Nothing more.:eek: ?:laugh:
can anyone explain this expression?
Maybe he's referring to Little Lindsey. :laugh: That's what I always thought. Lindsey is such a sex fiend, IMO. :laugh:
dissention
03-04-2004, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
But I could be the only one with that particular interpretation, and it might have something to do with the fact that I was about 15/16 when I first heard it! :eek:
Not at all. Ever since I heard the song, I laways thought of it as "The Masturbation Song." Seriously, that's how I interpreted it. The love of his life just left him and he has to turn to himself for pleasure. :eek:
sodascouts
03-04-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
See, I still don't feel that Stevie intentionally encouraged Lindsey to still want her, by sleeping with him, etc.
Now, I DO think that... based on what I know of human emotion... that she WANTED him to still want and love her.
Whatever else can be said, she DID love him after all... but she felt secondary to everything else in his life: his music-making, his guitar-playing, etc.... and she got sick of it.
Seriously, what person on this Earth wants to feel like they're second-class in the life of the person they most love?
I know I personally wouldn't stand for that.
But that doesn't stop her from loving him...
Oh, I understand - I'm not saying Stevie actually did these things. I was just trying to put myself in Lindsey's shoes and guess at how HE might have perceived her actions.
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
...and in a very human way, a huge part of Stevie probably hoped and prayed that breaking up with Lindsey would be the eye-opener that he needed, to make him stand up and realize that he had been taking her for granted.
Sort of like, "I've told you time and time again that this behaviour makes me unhappy... so this time I'm going to SHOW you how unhappy I am, by leaving you........ BUT, I hope you get the message, and come back to me, so we can stay together."
But Lindsey didn't do that. It seems (from what we know) that he didn't make any moves to win Stevie back... which probably hurt her deeply.
"Well, I guess you didn't love me as much as you claimed, if you can just let me walk away."
Interesting theory about Stevie's motivations for leaving Lindsey - not sure I buy it, though, lol.
sodascouts
03-04-2004, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
Gee, I almost feel silly now. I never thought of that. :confused:
Hehe. I'm surprised.
Seriously, though, I don't think that's what he's referring to. Why would he admit to that? Then again perhaps he's receiving a hand job from someone else. ;)
Cristian
03-04-2004, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by sodascouts
Then again perhaps he's receiving a hand job from someone else. ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I gave this song the same interpretation when I first heard it... but as Johnny, I blamed it on my age (17 years). But even with that interpretation the "buy another picture" lines aren't too clear either. I don't really know what that song is about so I wouldn't call it 'angry'. "What Makes You Think You're The One" is clearly angry. More so than "Go Your Own Way". But less than "Wrong".
Song of the moment - I Still Miss Someone (Blue Eyes)
Cammie
03-04-2004, 09:41 PM
:cool: :wavey: Go Lindsey Go!!! :eek: :cool:
:) :] Go Your Own WAY!!!:] ;)
Johnny Stew
03-04-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by sodascouts
Interesting theory about Stevie's motivations for leaving Lindsey - not sure I buy it, though, lol. I've known people who've done that exact thing (breakup with someone in the hope that they'll open their eyes and realize they need to make changes), so I think it's a completely plausible scenario. :)
sodascouts
03-05-2004, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I've known people who've done that exact thing (breakup with someone in the hope that they'll open their eyes and realize they need to make changes), so I think it's a completely plausible scenario. :)
Oh, I don't preclude the possibility - I just don't buy into myself. But to each his own! :)
4Buck
03-11-2004, 05:03 PM
>>>>>WRONG appears meaner...................
.......WRONG is my least favorite song (but it is my favorite Buckingham video!) from OUT OF THE CRADLE, cuz Buckingham uses his EMPIRE STATE “primal screech” which is not exactly ear candy to me.......................
But is he still that mad at Mick here after writing his book (rightly so!), or like the WRONG video -- all in jest? ...............
Hard to say...............
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