Are you pro- or anti-...? [Archive]

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 06:48 PM

I hated it. I absolutely hated it. History and English, I didn't mind at all. But SCIENCE AND MATH..... I recall being GRADED on my math homework. IMO, homework should be graded on completion NOT correctness. And if it is indeed PRACTICE, why should the homework be graded at all? There are some kids that study and do horribly. There are those that study and excel....then there are those who don't study at all, can sit in class and pick up everything and ace a test and understand everything the teacher has explained...and then there are those who don't study at all and do poorly. It depends on the child and whether or not they want to be helped. Homework might help a teacher to understand the problem a child is having...unless you had some of the teachers I had who really didn't care about the fact that you didn't understand...only the fact that you got the answer wrong.

So while I can't sit here and say there aren't some benefits to homework, I can say that there are some downfalls. Say there are 8 periods in a school day...a kid has math, science, history, english, and perhaps one or two electives that require studying as well like current world events and journalism. If EVERY TEACHER assigns that student homework that takes an hour or more to do that night, that kid isn't going to sleep until late. Sometimes it gets to be too much...

chiliD

02-12-2004, 07:03 PM

Are you pro- or anti-.......HOMEWORK?

Pro.

It's a great song. I think I like the Splinter Group's version a little better than Fleetwood Mac's though. And, Rick Vito does a KILLER version on his Pink & Black album.

Not really thrilled with J.Geils Band version, though.

:blob2:

strandinthewind

02-12-2004, 07:35 PM

I was such a nerd and loved learning so much, I not only did my required homework, but I would check out other books on the subjects (particularly history) and read them :cool:

dissention

02-12-2004, 07:38 PM

Pro-homework, but only to an extent. Some schools really pile it on and I find it ridiculous. Kids have a lot of things to worry about these days and having 3+ hours of homework is ridiculous. However, I think kids should have a choice between gym or study hall, that way they would have the opportunity to knock some of the work off their backs.

Johnny Stew

02-12-2004, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by chiliD
Pro.

It's a great song. I think I like the Splinter Group's version a little better than Fleetwood Mac's though. And, Rick Vito does a KILLER verion on his Pink & Black album.:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

Johnny Stew

02-12-2004, 07:53 PM

As a kid, I loathed homework.
It was the second bane of my existence.

I never could see any use for it. I preferred classwork, where you could actually ask the teacher directly if a question arose.

chiliD

02-12-2004, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Pro-homework, but only to an extent. Some schools really pile it on and I find it ridiculous. Kids have a lot of things to worry about these days and having 3+ hours of homework is ridiculous. However, I think kids should have a choice between gym or study hall, that way they would have the opportunity to knock some of the work off their backs.

Actually, I think kids today need as much physical activity as they can get. So, "gym" should be mandatory.

Obesity in kids (and just about ALL Americans) is rampant. Between sedentary lifestyles of people being either in front of a TV or computer for hours a day and the easy accessibility of fast-food, we're in for a nationwide health crises...obesity/diabetes/hypertention/heart disease.

(I raise my hand...I need to lose 70-80 lbs myself)

Johnny Stew

02-12-2004, 08:10 PM

Ahh, I remember well my many tragic-comic attempts at gym class. *lol*

Kind of sucked to be the runt, not to mention being completely and 100% unathletic... which is so stereotypical, I know.

But I suppose it is a necessary evil... even if it is killer on a kid's self-esteem!
Too bad there isn't some way to remove all competitiveness from phys ed class, and just stick to basic exercise.

ryan8472

02-12-2004, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Too bad there isn't some way to remove all competitiveness from phys ed class, and just stick to basic exercise.

It is too bad. All we do in my gym class is play games, like Basketball, Speedball (which until recently I thought was a heroin/cocaine combo...) which is a combination of football & soccer, and softball (which I don't mind.) At least we have a weight room though, which we do use. (By the way, I've always been the unathletic reject as well :laugh: )

Back to the original question though. Since I still am in school, and thus still get homework every night, I must say that I am split. One part of me thinks that homework is good in that I get a lot more information than I usually would in class. On the other hand, some teachers (in my school) think that they are the only ones that give homework, and proceed to assign tons of homework on top of the three projects they have due. I do LOVE history though, and don't mind doing it one bit :nod:

strandinthewind

02-12-2004, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Ahh, I remember well my many tragic-comic attempts at gym class. *lol*

Kind of sucked to be the runt, not to mention being completely and 100% unathletic... which is so stereotypical, I know.

But I suppose it is a necessary evil... even if it is killer on a kid's self-esteem!
Too bad there isn't some way to remove all competitiveness from phys ed class, and just stick to basic exercise.

I know - only I was the opposite - I was 6' tall in the eighth grade and a full 6'4" in by my junior year. Fortunately, I was strong as an ox and that made up for any atheletic prowess I lacked :laugh: Also, I played football (defensive tackle) so that was my gym class along with all of the other players.
Personally, I think gym should be the last class of the day for everyone and they should do cadio stuff like running and weights - these are not competitive. But, a little competition is not bad and everyone should have a working knowledge of football, basketball, and baseball, esp guys who tend to use it more later in life IMO.

Its just the people my size that are jerks make all of us big guys look that way. I was always the one that tried, sometimes without success, to include everyone, esp. the wallflowers. I remember this one guy was so shy he just broke down crying in my chest telling me about how everyone hated him and he was dumb, ugly, worthless, unpopular, etc. That was just so horrible to me :( No one should be made to feel that way. Perhaps gym just brings out those emotions, esp. in people perceived as not in the "in crowd"

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 08:35 PM

I used to get passes to go to choir and would skip gym. A lot. I'd always have some excuse why I needed to be in choir...lol. Gym was such a stupid excuse for a period. You'd be there for 45 minutes either playing basketball, weightlifting in the training room, playing ping pong, archery, tennis, whatever they were offering and you signed up for that semester. The only time I stuck around gym was for floor hockey...that? Is my sport. And of course, soccer :nod:

Johnny Stew

02-12-2004, 08:36 PM

It was torture at the time (but then, so was my school experience in general, because of bullies and harrassment), but, as Stevie says, "That was a long time ago...."

I think it all helped me to be a more compassionate and empathic person... so it was a good thing in that regard. :)

But I would like the school systems to find a better way to conduct phys. ed., to spare other kids from those same difficulties and humiliations.
High School isn't too far from hell for some kids.

strandinthewind

02-12-2004, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
It was torture at the time (but then, so was my school experience in general, because of bullies and harrassment), but, as Stevie says, "That was a long time ago...."

I think it all helped me to be a more compassionate and empathic person... so it was a good thing in that regard. :)

But I would like the school systems to find a better way to conduct phys. ed., to spare other kids from those same difficulties and humiliations.
High School isn't too far from hell for some kids.

Isn't it amazing to you now that you, and us all in some ways, let people treat you like that. Although I have always been assertive, people usually didn't mess with me because of my size, etc., in so many ways, I found my voice after high school. I just think sometimes if I knew then what I know now :laugh: Seriously, I would have not let people get to me as much and I certainly would have called people far more on their BS rather than just thinking I should be nice or whatever to them because they were popular, etc.

Also, Johnny - if we had been in high school together and you could have put up with me and my incessant singing of La Nicks ;) I'd have beat the hell out of and/or at least performed a verbal autopsy on anyone who messed with ya :eek: :wavey: :cool:

Johnny Stew

02-12-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Isn't it amazing to you now that you, and us all in some ways, let people treat you like that. Although I have always been assertive, people usually didn't mess with me because of my size, etc., in so many ways, I found my voice after high school. I just think sometimes if I knew then what I know now.Ah, I know what you mean. At the time, it was embarrassing and humiliating to be called a "faggot," etc., and because of that, I never wanted to bring any additional attention to myself, so I just put up with it.
I still prefer to turn the other cheek, but these days I definitely open my mouth and defend myself, if need be.
I'm a "nice guy," but I won't be pushed around.

I'm with you in that I definitely "found my voice" after high school. But only after I realized it was ok to be "me" and not just what I thought everyone expected me to be.Originally posted by strandinthewind
Also, Johnny - if we had been in high school together and you could have put up with me and my incessant singing of La Nicks ;) I'd have beat the hell out of and/or at least performed a verbal autopsy on anyone who messed with ya :eek: :wavey: :cool: That's a sweet thought! :) :D

In my freshman year of high school, I became friends with a senior named Dan.
We met in Art class, and we hit it off based on our mutual love of all things classic rock.
He was on the football team, and, as luck would have it, he was also in my gym class that semester.

So I was as good as gold in gym class as long as Dan was around, but unfortunately that only lasted a semester... and when he graduated, I was back to square one!
Ah well! *lol*

I'm not sure whatever happened to Dan, but I'll definitely never forget him.
I wonder if people even realize how much a small act of kindness or gesture of friendship can mean to someone. :)

golden braid

02-12-2004, 10:23 PM

I think a little bit of homework is good to teach responsibility and how to figure things out on your own. But I think kids today have too much to do with homework and other activities and then they are getting burned out. Kids need to have time and should exercise more since people today are so overweight.

littlelies7

02-12-2004, 10:36 PM

Anti-homework.

I don't like it at all. I much perferred doing classwork, like Johnny Stew mentioned.

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I hated it. I absolutely hated it. History and English, I didn't mind at all. But SCIENCE AND MATH..... I recall being GRADED on my math homework. IMO, homework should be graded on completion NOT correctness. And if it is indeed PRACTICE, why should the homework be graded at all? There are some kids that study and do horribly. There are those that study and excel....then there are those who don't study at all, can sit in class and pick up everything and ace a test and understand everything the teacher has explained...and then there are those who don't study at all and do poorly. It depends on the child and whether or not they want to be helped. Homework might help a teacher to understand the problem a child is having...unless you had some of the teachers I had who really didn't care about the fact that you didn't understand...only the fact that you got the answer wrong.

So while I can't sit here and say there aren't some benefits to homework, I can say that there are some downfalls. Say there are 8 periods in a school day...a kid has math, science, history, english, and perhaps one or two electives that require studying as well like current world events and journalism. If EVERY TEACHER assigns that student homework that takes an hour or more to do that night, that kid isn't going to sleep until late. Sometimes it gets to be too much...

My school puts a cap of 30 minutes per night per subject. I don't permit my department to take major grades on writing assignments, as the alternative gives an advantage to kids with tutors or meddling "cheat" parents.
A general rule of thumb for younger ages is 10 minutes per night per grade level, i.e., 2nd grade will have twenty minutes, etc.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
but I would check out other books on the subjects (particularly history) and read them :cool:

Good choice.:nod:
And it's a known fact that reading your own textbooks can be agony, but thumbing through other people's can be irrestistable.:nod:

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:49 PM

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by chiliD
Pro.

It's a great song. I think I like the Splinter Group's version a little better than Fleetwood Mac's though. And, Rick Vito does a KILLER version on his Pink & Black album.

Not really thrilled with J.Geils Band version, though.

:blob2:

I had no idea you listen to anything other than Stevie's solo demos. Nice to see you trying new things.
:laugh:

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
As a kid, I loathed homework.
It was the second bane of my existence.

The first being...?:confused:
(You knew I would ask.)

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:53 PM

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew

But I suppose it is a necessary evil... even if it is killer on a kid's self-esteem!
Too bad there isn't some way to remove all competitiveness from phys ed class, and just stick to basic exercise.

Of course there are ways.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by ryan8472
It is too bad. All we do in my gym class is play games, like Basketball, Speedball (which until recently I thought was a heroin/cocaine combo...) which is a combination of football & soccer, and softball (which I don't mind.) At least we have a weight room though, which we do use. (By the way, I've always been the unathletic reject as well :laugh: )

Back to the original question though. Since I still am in school, and thus still get homework every night, I must say that I am split. One part of me thinks that homework is good in that I get a lot more information than I usually would in class. On the other hand, some teachers (in my school) think that they are the only ones that give homework, and proceed to assign tons of homework on top of the three projects they have due. I do LOVE history though, and don't mind doing it one bit :nod:

Bombardment & dodgeball were the big ones when I was an elementary school student. Throw in a frightening gym teacher, & you've got a load of kids hating the subject.

And cheers to your last comment.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I know - only I was the opposite - I was 6' tall in the eighth grade and a full 6'4" in by my junior year. Fortunately, I was strong as an ox and that made up for any atheletic prowess I lacked :laugh: Also, I played football (defensive tackle) so that was my gym class along with all of the other players.
Personally, I think gym should be the last class of the day for everyone and they should do cadio stuff like running and weights - these are not competitive. But, a little competition is not bad and everyone should have a working knowledge of football, basketball, and baseball, esp guys who tend to use it more later in life IMO.

Its just the people my size that are jerks make all of us big guys look that way. I was always the one that tried, sometimes without success, to include everyone, esp. the wallflowers. I remember this one guy was so shy he just broke down crying in my chest telling me about how everyone hated him and he was dumb, ugly, worthless, unpopular, etc. That was just so horrible to me :( No one should be made to feel that way. Perhaps gym just brings out those emotions, esp. in people perceived as not in the "in crowd"

Awww, ya soft-hearted big lug.:)

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Gym was such a stupid excuse for a period.

I'm confused. I always heard it was that a period is such a great excuse for no gym.;)

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:05 PM

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:07 PM

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I'm confused. I always heard it was that a period is such a great excuse for no gym.;)

- Jake

Oh, it was always a great excuse. However, I usually did the "can I go to choir, I need to work on some things," bit. Smartass. ;)

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew

I'm not sure whatever happened to Dan, but I'll definitely never forget him.
I wonder if people even realize how much a small act of kindness or gesture of friendship can mean to someone. :)

This would be a good spin-off thread, Johnny.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by golden braid
I think a little bit of homework is good to teach responsibility and how to figure things out on your own.

How much qualifies as a little bit?

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by littlelies7
Anti-homework.

I don't like it at all. I much perferred doing classwork, like Johnny Stew mentioned.

Fair enough, you don't like it, but does it do you any good anyway?

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Oh, it was always a great excuse. However, I usually did the "can I go to choir, I need to work on some things," bit. Smartass. ;)

Poor, poor pitiful me...
With my singing voice, the choir excuse would have been as credible as the period one.;)
And poor you. Hating gym. In Jersey. What a place to be.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Smartass yourself.

Johnny Stew

02-12-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
The first being...?:confused:
(You knew I would ask.)I'm sure you figured out what the first bane of my high school existence was, after you read my additional posts. :)Originally posted by darklinensuit
I think junior high/middle school can be even worse for kids.For me, personally, it started in 4th grade and lasted until, literally, the day I graduated.

You're probably right about middle school being the roughest overall. I just tend to say "high school" as shorthand for the entire junior high/senior high school experience. :)

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I'm sure you figured out what the first bane of my high school existence was, after you read my additional posts. :)For me, personally, it started in 4th grade and lasted until, literally, the day I graduated.

You're probably right about middle school being the roughest overall. I just tend to say "high school" as shorthand for the entire junior high/senior high school experience. :)

You're right, I got it eventually, even I'm not THAT dense. (Hi, Marissa :wavey: .)
Sorry school was such crap for you. Is there anything you would have done differently, knowing what you know now? (Other than transferring to Jason's school.:) )

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Poor, poor pitiful me...
With my singing voice, the choir excuse would have been as credible as the period one.;)
And poor you. Hating gym. In Jersey. What a place to be.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Smartass yourself.

Well, you know Jake...girls can only use the period excuse for about a week a month. It would seem pretty funny if I went into class all the time and said, "I can't do anything...I have cramps" ALL the time. Incessant periods? They wouldn't buy that :distress:

Aww... let me hear you sing with your Philly/Wisconsin/Chicago/ Texas accent. ;)

I loved going outside for gym. Do you know where my highschool is? It sits on 295. Down the street. From an refinary.

Poor, poor, pitiful me.

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Incessant periods? They wouldn't buy that :distress:

Why, were you pregnant that often?

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
You're right, I got it eventually, even I'm not THAT dense. (Hi, Marissa :wavey: .)
Sorry school was such crap for you. Is there anything you would have done differently, knowing what you know now? (Other than transferring to Jason's school.:) )

- Jake

:Sits with her rose:

"He loves me...he loves me not...." ;)

Johnny Stew...i'm sorry you didn't have a stellar experience in school. People can be incredibly cruel... (Hi Jake :wavey: )

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
:Sits with her rose:

"He loves me...he loves me not...." ;)

C'mon, there's GOTTA be a third option for the rest of us.:wavey:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Why, were you pregnant that often?

- Jake

Sheeeeiiiit Jake, I gots 10 kids and 10 illegitimate fathers. :laugh:

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Sheeeeiiiit Jake,

Now you're sounding Texan.:)
I think I liked it more when you were saying "You's" all the time.:wavey:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-12-2004, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Now you're sounding Texan.:)
I think I liked it more when you were saying "You's" all the time.:wavey:

- Jake

Sorry, I didn't mean to get all Texan on yous...it'll never happen again...I promise :wavey:

darklinensuit

02-12-2004, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Sorry, I didn't mean to get all Texan on yous...it'll never happen again...I promise :wavey:

Good. Keep it simple. Don't go mixin' Jersey tomatoes, Georgia peaches, and Texas armadillers.:cool:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Good. Keep it simple. Don't go mixin' Jersey tomatoes, Georgia peaches, and Texas armadillers.:cool:

- Jake

Just a little FYI...I hate tomatoes :nod: I suppose that makes me a bad New Jerseyan and a bad Italian. Oh well. C'est la vie.

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I suppose that makes me a bad New Jerseyan and a bad Italian. Oh well. C'est la vie.

And apparently a bad frencher.:laugh:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
And apparently a bad frencher.:laugh:

- Jake

Vous êtes un âne. Is that better for you? ;)

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Vous êtes un âne. Is that better for you? ;)

You spelled "year" wrong, and actually I'm older than one.
Don't sweat it, Merde-issa.:cool:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
You spelled "year" wrong, and actually I'm older than one.
Don't sweat it, Merde-issa.:cool:

- Jake

I don't think I put "year" in there, francophile...try and translate again :nod:

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I don't think I put "year" in there, francophile...try and translate again :nod:

You can kiss my translation along with whatever "ane" you meant, and then go francofile it somewhere that the sun don't ever come up but the moon keeps shining.:wavey:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
You can kiss my translation along with whatever "ane" you meant, and then go francofile it somewhere that the sun don't ever come up but the moon keeps shining.:wavey:

- Jake

I don't know...that sounds like it might hurt... http://users.snip.net/~njdevilsangel83/mooning-smiley.gif :xoxo:

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I don't know...that sounds like it might hurt... http://users.snip.net/~njdevilsangel83/mooning-smiley.gif :xoxo:

Actually, it sounds like missing lines from a Behind the Mask song.

- Jake

Merf

02-13-2004, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Actually, it sounds like missing lines from a Behind the Mask song.

- Jake

:lol:

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:34 AM

Meredith, what's the story on your new avatar? I don't think I recognize the photo.

- Jake

Merf

02-13-2004, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Meredith, what's the story on your new avatar? I don't think I recognize the photo.

- Jake

It's one of the EW photos from the late 90s... or maybe TISL. Not sure, actually.

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Meredith, what's the story on your new avatar? I don't think I recognize the photo.

- Jake

Let me tell you a little story about said photo, Jake. Do you see the woman in the photo in question? That, is a woman you will never have. Yep. :nod:

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Merf
It's one of the EW photos from the late 90s... or maybe TISL. Not sure, actually.

From the feature that shows her on the dragon couch in Old Blackdress?

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Merf
It's one of the EW photos from the late 90s... or maybe TISL. Not sure, actually.

It's from the 1998 Entertainment Weekly outtake photos I do believe...and Jake's imaginary wedding album. :wavey:

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Let me tell you a little story about said photo, Jake. Do you see the woman in the photo in question? That, is a woman you will never have. Yep. :nod:

You're almost there:
That is a woman I will never have tell me, "Please, would you let Marissa style your hair?":wavey:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
You're almost there:
That is a woman I will never have tell me, "Please, would you let Marissa style your hair?":wavey:

- Jake

I won't be styling hair. But for you i'll make an exception. How would you feel about a mohawk?

By the way...I think we broke the ledge for a few...lol

jadegypsy

02-13-2004, 02:35 AM

Somehow I always end up in these threads after they lost their origional purpose...
Well, I am pro homework as long as it NEVER exceeds two hours a night, and beleive me I had hw for about 4-5hrs a night from 9-12 grade. Mostly my fault taking way to many advanced classes, but truthfully the only hw that ever helped me was the physics and calc which was graded on completion. Keeping reading logs for those awful english books was a waste of time (hey if I didn't read it you'll know when I take a test on it). History hw was just reading. It got sooooo much better in college, less busy work.

Johnny Stew

02-13-2004, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Sorry school was such crap for you. Is there anything you would have done differently, knowing what you know now? (Other than transferring to Jason's school.:) )That's actually a very good question, Jake.
Who I am now is very different from who I was back then.
These days I wouldn't put up with it... so it's easy to say that, given what I know now, I would have stood up for myself and fought back.

But, like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I definitely believe that every experience we have... both good and bad... molds us into the people we are today.
And even though I'm far from perfect, I think my heart is in the right place... and that has to be due, in no small part, to the experiences I've had.

So maybe the only thing I would have changed, is that I would have found one person whom I knew I could trust, and confided in them. People around me knew some of what was going on (it was hard to miss), but I would never talk about it.
But I should have at least done that... if nothing else... rather than bottling things up and letting it eat at me.

Again though, these days when I do mentoring, I think it really is because of the experiences I had, that I seem to have an intuitiveness when it comes to kids going thru similar situations.
So if some of the crap I went thru has allowed me to be able to help someone, then it was definitely all worth it. :nod:

DrummerDeanna

02-13-2004, 08:16 AM

Well it depends. Right now I am very anti-homework...mostly because I am completely done with classes in my major..I'm also done with all of my general ed requirements....SOOO..that means I'm stuck taking a semester of stupid crap I don't need (i.e. Theater 101, art 150 -drawing-, and a class about bugs) and since I took lower level classes for an easy semester I find they've increased the amount of "busy work" and I get really ticked off about it....I don't want to write any essays on the greeks and theater or about the mating habits of cockroaches...I just want to graduate already!!!!

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I won't be styling hair. But for you i'll make an exception. How would you feel about a mohawk?

Why should both of us sport the same 'do?

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by jadegypsy
Somehow I always end up in these threads after they lost their origional purpose...
Well, I am pro homework as long as it NEVER exceeds two hours a night, and beleive me I had hw for about 4-5hrs a night from 9-12 grade. Mostly my fault taking way to many advanced classes, but truthfully the only hw that ever helped me was the physics and calc which was graded on completion. Keeping reading logs for those awful english books was a waste of time (hey if I didn't read it you'll know when I take a test on it). History hw was just reading. It got sooooo much better in college, less busy work.

I remember a LOT of reading and writing on college nights.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
That's actually a very good question, Jake.
Who I am now is very different from who I was back then.

So long ago, I was an innocent
It had nothing to do with age...

And time makes you bolder...

I hope we've all changed, Johnny.
What 's that quote: G-d instructs the heart not with words but with pain and tribulations. Or some crap like that.

- Jake

dissention

02-13-2004, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by chiliD
Actually, I think kids today need as much physical activity as they can get. So, "gym" should be mandatory.

Obesity in kids (and just about ALL Americans) is rampant. Between sedentary lifestyles of people being either in front of a TV or computer for hours a day and the easy accessibility of fast-food, we're in for a nationwide health crises...obesity/diabetes/hypertention/heart disease.

(I raise my hand...I need to lose 70-80 lbs myself)

Sorry, I don't think it is the schools job to maintain their students healthy weight. :laugh: The parents need to take the responsibility for it, but they never will because parents suck these days and let their kids do whatever. ;) If they didn't feed their kids fast food and cholesterol milkshakes every day, and let them lounge about playing Playstation, we wouldn't have such problems. Eat healthy and exercise daily, that's the key. And if all else fails, get a band around your tummy. :laugh:

strandinthewind

02-13-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Awww, ya soft-hearted big lug.:)

- Jake

It is so true - I am a great big ole loud mouth softy who loves a cocktail!!! :cool:

strandinthewind

02-13-2004, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Sorry, I don't think it is the schools job to maintain their students healthy weight. :laugh: The parents need to take the responsibility for it, but they never will because parents suck these days and let their kids do whatever. ;) If they didn't feed their kids fast food and cholesterol milkshakes every day, and let them lounge about playing Playstation, we wouldn't have such problems. Eat healthy and exercise daily, that's the key. And if all else fails, get a band around your tummy. :laugh:

I agree to a point, but PE brings out social skills as well. Of course, I am one who thinks school should be from 7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. - so there would be time enough for it!!!!! :laugh:

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by DrummerDeanna
I don't want to write any essays on the greeks and theater or about the mating habits of cockroaches...I just want to graduate already!!!!

Take it from the rest of us, graduations can come and go, but the mating habits of a cockroach can be with you for life. (Hi, Marissa.:wavey: )

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-13-2004, 02:30 PM

dissention

02-13-2004, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I agree to a point, but PE brings out social skills as well. Of course, I am one who thinks school should be from 7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. - so there would be time enough for it!!!!! :laugh:

I don't know what your PE classes were like, but all of the classes I was in weren't like that. No one wanted to change in the bathrooms because they were embarrassed, everoyne smelled of body odor because they were going through puberty (which resulted in our teacher actually handing out nose plugs at one time!!!!!!), the plus sized children cried throughout the whole class, no one wanted to do anything in front of the other kids; the whole class was torture for everyone involved. :laugh:

Violet

02-13-2004, 02:47 PM

I'm pro-homework to an extent. My preschooler gets homework once a week. Just practicing writing one letter a week and finding 4 pictures in magazines that start with that letter and gluing it in the book. Easy enough. But my neighbor's son is in kindergarten, and he has homework EVERY night. His school does only offer half a day of kindergarten, so maybe that's partly the reason for so much homework. I think kindergarten should be all day. My daughter will be going to an all-day kindgarten at a private school next year, and I'm sure she'll be getting her fair share of homework.
But 3-4 hours of homework a night for older kids hardly allows time for extra-curricular activities, which I feel are an important part of a child's life.

BTW, Jake & Marissa, you guys crack me up with your back-and-forth bantering!

Carol

ryan8472

02-13-2004, 02:47 PM

I forgot to mention before that my current Phys. Ed. teacher weighs 300+ pounds. Talk about ironic...and pathetic. :laugh:

Violet

02-13-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I don't know what your PE classes were like, but all of the classes I was in weren't like that. No one wanted to change in the bathrooms because they were embarrassed, everoyne smelled of body odor because they were going through puberty (which resulted in our teacher actually handing out nose plugs at one time!!!!!!), the plus sized children cried throughout the whole class, no one wanted to do anything in front of the other kids; the whole class was torture for everyone involved. :laugh:

That pretty accurately describes my junior high PE experience. But we did have Square Dancing at one point as a part of PE. That was actually fun. We didn't have to change clothes, and you were forced to dance with and hold hands!!

I went to high school when Jane Fonda made aerobics so popular, so we did that a lot in PE, and that was fun, just sweaty. And I hate being sweaty.....

Carol

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I don't know what your PE classes were like, but all of the classes I was in weren't like that. No one wanted to change in the bathrooms because they were embarrassed, everoyne smelled of body odor because they were going through puberty (which resulted in our teacher actually handing out nose plugs at one time!!!!!!), the plus sized children cried throughout the whole class, no one wanted to do anything in front of the other kids; the whole class was torture for everyone involved. :laugh:

Good lord...I'm glad I didn't go to your high school...lol

Pretty much everyone always participated. Gym wasn't really a difficult class. In fact, gym didn't count against anyone making honor roll or principals list so that tells you something right there. All they asked from us was to participate...it didn't matter if you were horrible or not so no one really had a problem.

Our locker room was huge though so you weren't really ontop of each other or anything like that. The only issue happening in there was cockroach infestation which would send us all screaming and jumping ontop of the the long seat in each set of lockers. Oh, and the time Rachel bashed Ali's head into a locker because she called her a bitch :laugh: I will never forget that...lol

strandinthewind

02-13-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I don't know what your PE classes were like, but all of the classes I was in weren't like that. No one wanted to change in the bathrooms because they were embarrassed, everoyne smelled of body odor because they were going through puberty (which resulted in our teacher actually handing out nose plugs at one time!!!!!!), the plus sized children cried throughout the whole class, no one wanted to do anything in front of the other kids; the whole class was torture for everyone involved. :laugh:

Well there's that :laugh:

Seriously, I know gym class is hard for some. It was for me a little bit because although my prose and particularly my political arguments are eloquent :cool: , my movements are far from graceful and lithe, esp. then :cool:

But, I think that is why the teacher matters so much. I mean I have seen people embarrassed to the point of tears in Math :shrug: To me - high school should be all about teaching as many different thigs as possible and studies do show that socialization is taught in PE. I do agree however, that if the schools cannot teach the basics and teach PE - then PE should go :laugh:

dissention

02-13-2004, 03:05 PM

dissention

02-13-2004, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Good lord...I'm glad I didn't go to your high school...lol

One of my gym teachers, who also taught sex ed, was named Tina Clapp. If Harry Sacks cracks you up, you would've loved having MY gym class. :laugh:

strandinthewind

02-13-2004, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by dissention
One of my gym teachers, who also taught sex ed, was named Tina Clapp. If Harry Sacks cracks you up, you would've loved having MY gym class. :laugh:

OMG ROTFLMAO :laugh:

GardenStateGirlie

02-13-2004, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by dissention
One of my gym teachers, who also taught sex ed, was named Tina Clapp. If Harry Sacks cracks you up, you would've loved having MY gym class. :laugh:

My gym teacher was my friends mom who also taught drivers ed. She jumped ontop of a desk and told us that if we're not careful, we'd all die. Yea, that made me want to run out and get my permit. Then her sister also taught gym and sex ed. I swear to you, this woman was asexual...and she was also crazy. There was also Miss Lodge who was in her 40s, dressed like she was in the 80s and wore a bean sprout pony tail on top of her head. Then there was the teacher who was also the football coach that had a glass eye...lol...but no, you're right...none were named Tina Clapp...had they been? I would have laughed a lot. :nod:

dissention

02-13-2004, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
My gym teacher was my friends mom who also taught drivers ed. She jumped ontop of a desk and told us that if we're not careful, we'd all die. Yea, that made me want to run out and get my permit. Then her sister also taught gym and sex ed. I swear to you, this woman was asexual...and she was also crazy. There was also Miss Lodge who was in her 40s, dressed like she was in the 80s and wore a bean sprout pony tail on top of her head. Then there was the teacher who was also the football coach that had a glass eye...lol...but no, you're right...none were named Tina Clapp...had they been? I would have laughed a lot. :nod:

:laugh:

Mrs. Clapp was OVERSEXED. That's all she thought about, I swear. There was one class where she was discussing female condoms and went into this diatribe about how they were uncomfortable for girls...Then one time she started class off by saying "Protect yourselves! Germs love warm areas! They'd love a nice warm crotch." :laugh:

A woman named Clapp teaching about not getting it...priceless.

ShamHy89

02-13-2004, 05:41 PM

I am totally pro-homework. Even though I usually lose 2 hours a night, homework is absolutely essential. I don't know where we would be without it.

Shamus:)

golddustwoman77

02-13-2004, 07:07 PM

I absolutely think there should be some homework. As the old saying says, "Practice makes perfect." You have to practice a skill that you have learned at school in order to remember it. Although I don't think that there should be hours of homework sent home at any age. A little practice will go a long way! :nod:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by dissention
Sorry, I don't think it is the schools job to maintain their students healthy weight. :laugh: The parents need to take the responsibility for it, but they never will because parents suck these days and let their kids do whatever. ;) If they didn't feed their kids fast food and cholesterol milkshakes every day, and let them lounge about playing Playstation, we wouldn't have such problems. Eat healthy and exercise daily, that's the key. And if all else fails, get a band around your tummy. :laugh:

I agree that too much is being unfairly put on the schools, but I don't see that changing soon, but if the schools don't try to do something to improve kids' health when the parents are what you described, who will?

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 02:54 AM

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Violet
I'm pro-homework to an extent. My preschooler gets homework once a week. Just practicing writing one letter a week and finding 4 pictures in magazines that start with that letter and gluing it in the book. Easy enough. But my neighbor's son is in kindergarten, and he has homework EVERY night. His school does only offer half a day of kindergarten, so maybe that's partly the reason for so much homework. I think kindergarten should be all day. My daughter will be going to an all-day kindgarten at a private school next year, and I'm sure she'll be getting her fair share of homework.
But 3-4 hours of homework a night for older kids hardly allows time for extra-curricular activities, which I feel are an important part of a child's life.

BTW, Jake & Marissa, you guys crack me up with your back-and-forth bantering!

Carol

Half-day K classes are pretty common, and I don't think the schedule is the reason the teacher assigns the homework. More likely the school feels homework reenforces lessons, and folks want kids (and parents) to get in the habit of completing homework from an early age.

I have to say that what gets me are the difficult math problems older kids are supposed to solve at home these days, often with nobody to help. I'm a big believer that homework shouldn't require help from adults, but some of those problems are more appropriate for classwork IMO in that they're more risk than practice, and there's often nobody to help them through the frustrating experience of trying to work through the solution.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by ryan8472
I forgot to mention before that my current Phys. Ed. teacher weighs 300+ pounds. Talk about ironic...and pathetic. :laugh:

I had a PE teacher, too, and I think the weight matters less than you might realize right now. A good teacher is a good teacher, and a fat person can get the message across to be fit as well as anybody.
Hopefully he's not chomping on a cigar in class, though?

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:10 AM

I hated square dancing units, and we Yankees were sure laughable pretending to attempt it, IMO.

I think aerobics is a perfectly acceptable option for PE credit. Last year I started a strength club at school, and this year I have a co-sponsor whose addition adds more options. Kids can choose between the weight room, basketball, yoga, or a combination. This club is in addition to PE classes, of course.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Oh, and the time Rachel bashed Ali's head into a locker because she called her a bitch :laugh: I will never forget that...lol

I missed that episode of Friends.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Well there's that :laugh:

Seriously, I know gym class is hard for some. It was for me a little bit because although my prose and particularly my political arguments are eloquent :cool: , my movements are far from graceful and lithe, esp. then :cool:

But, I think that is why the teacher matters so much. I mean I have seen people embarrassed to the point of tears in Math :shrug: To me - high school should be all about teaching as many different thigs as possible and studies do show that socialization is taught in PE. I do agree however, that if the schools cannot teach the basics and teach PE - then PE should go :laugh:

Teaching the basics is very trendy right now, but there are some interesting and charmingly ineffective methods being shoved down some teachers' throats.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm as graceful as a tulip in the wind...;)

I'm as graceful as stoned RockaStevie when she spinned.
(Who wants the next line of the rhyme?)

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by dissention
One of my gym teachers, who also taught sex ed, was named Tina Clapp. If Harry Sacks cracks you up, you would've loved having MY gym class. :laugh:

My sex ed teachers were Phyllis Siffle and Rhea Gonna. Okay, I just made them up.

I forgot who brought it up this afternoon, but a colleague and I were laughing at the memory of "Miss Mann" in that bad "Scary Movie".:laugh:

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:22 AM

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh:

Mrs. Clapp was OVERSEXED. That's all she thought about, I swear. There was one class where she was discussing female condoms and went into this diatribe about how they were uncomfortable for girls...Then one time she started class off by saying "Protect yourselves! Germs love warm areas! They'd love a nice warm crotch." :laugh:

The things that stay with you.
I remember my seventh grade English teacher talking about audiences at Shakespeare's globe, how restless they were, and how the tradition of intermissions became popular. He brought up smoking and said, "You'd be surprised, some of us folks can't go a few hours without a good butt in our faces." I'll never forget the roar of laughter when his words slipped out like that.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by ShamHy89
I am totally pro-homework. Even though I usually lose 2 hours a night, homework is absolutely essential. I don't know where we would be without it.

Shamus:)

Out learning your math and writing on the mean, tough streets.:distress:

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by golddustwoman77
I absolutely think there should be some homework. As the old saying says, "Practice makes perfect." You have to practice a skill that you have learned at school in order to remember it. Although I don't think that there should be hours of homework sent home at any age. A little practice will go a long way! :nod:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

I used to work under a principal who would argue that homework was for assessment rather than for practice.:rolleyes:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-14-2004, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Was your whole school comprised of mutants?:confused:

- Jake

No, but the faculty at my school was like an episode of Days of Our Lives.

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
No, but the faculty at my school was like an episode of Days of Our Lives.

So you say. I can tell you I've seen the other side, and the faculty can laugh at the kids' quirks as much as the other way around.

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-14-2004, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
So you say. I can tell you I've seen the other side, and the faculty can laugh at the kids' quirks as much as the other way around.

- Jake

Let's just say some of the faculty was a little too involved with the students...and each other. :distress:

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Let's just say some of the faculty was a little too involved with the students...and each other. :distress:

Wait...from your earlier descrption, I just assumed they were all nuns?:confused: :wavey:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-14-2004, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Wait...from your earlier descrption, I just assumed they were all nuns?:confused: :wavey:

- Jake

All nuns might have been just as bad

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
All nuns might have been just as bad

Well, the important thing is you learned. And just how many teachers DID you date?

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie

02-14-2004, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Well, the important thing is you learned. And just how many teachers DID you date?

- Jake

I definately did learn.

Offered...three. Dated? Zero. Because that was NOT me.

ryan8472

02-14-2004, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I had a PE teacher, too, and I think the weight matters less than you might realize right now. A good teacher is a good teacher, and a fat person can get the message across to be fit as well as anybody.
Hopefully he's not chomping on a cigar in class, though?

- Jake

No, but he usually just sits there eating donuts and having a couple coffees while we go play. On occasion he will actually teach though.

DrummerDeanna

02-14-2004, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by ryan8472
I forgot to mention before that my current Phys. Ed. teacher weighs 300+ pounds. Talk about ironic...and pathetic. :laugh:

That reminds me of a song lyric: "...where the gym teacher was always mad, and as far as we could tell...he only exercised his right to yell..." I Love that because I always had the most overweight PE teachers....and all they did was yell at us for not running fast enough etc....I hated PE

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I definately did learn.

Offered...three. Dated? Zero. Because that was NOT me.

Don't be disheartened. Some day your nun will come.:nod:

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by ryan8472
No, but he usually just sits there eating donuts and having a couple coffees while we go play. On occasion he will actually teach though.

In seventh grade my woodshop teacher would sit around eating bananas and tapioca pudding and drinking something out of a flask. He was elderly, so I like to imagine it was Metamucil.

- Jake

darklinensuit

02-14-2004, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by DrummerDeanna
That reminds me of a song lyric: "...where the gym teacher was always mad, and as far as we could tell...he only exercised his right to yell..." I Love that because I always had the most overweight PE teachers....and all they did was yell at us for not running fast enough etc....I hated PE

Yeah, I recognize those words...they're from that demo "I've Run And I've Lost And He Screams 'Til He's Blue".

- Jake