Most overrated songs in history?

[wondergirl9847]

Which songs, IYO, are the most overrated in history?

Stairway to Heaven (I like it, it's okay, but not the greatest thing ever written, and the best thing about it, are the drums, not the solo. LOL Yes, I do like Dolly's remake.)

Satisfaction (I don't like the Stones, so any song of theirs is overrated IMO, but this one is just blugh.)

Unchained Melody (OMG, I hate this song with a PASSION and if it gets remade ONE more freakin' time.... :mad: )

Those are the only ones I can think of at this moment. I wanna see what everyone else's choices are and I'm sure I'll comment on them. LOL

[strandinthewind]

ARE YOU KIDDING WITH THESE THREE????

YOU ARE A HERETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh: :laugh:

I think maybe "We Don't Need no Education" or whatever the title is from pink Floyd, whose work i really like if not love, esp. Dark Side of the Moon. :cool:

[wondergirl9847]

Then a heretic I shall be.

LOL

I love Pink Floyd (thanks to Seteca and Wetcamelfood)!! I can see how that their music may not be for everyone, it's very freaky and unusual, but I don't think they are overrated. But, dat's jest me. :shrug: They do play the same songs over and over on the radio tho, and I WISH they'd play some of their more rare stuff, but I want that for FM and all other groups/singers I love.

[Johnny Stew]

"Old Time Rock And Roll," by Bob Segar.
I'd be happy as a clam if I never had to hear that song again.

[GypsySorcerer]

My Heart Will Go On ('Nuff said, I think.)

[gypsysara]

"Like A Virgin"

"Thriller"

"Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go"

"We Are The Champions" (though I love Queen)

Funny how Cadillac is using old Zep songs for their commercials these days.

[Lala]

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
My Heart Will Go On ('Nuff said, I think.)

:nod:

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
ARE YOU KIDDING WITH THESE THREE????

YOU ARE A HERETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh: :laugh:

I think maybe "We Don't Need no Education" or whatever the title is from pink Floyd, whose work i really like if not love, esp. Dark Side of the Moon. :cool:

The title is "Another Brick In The Wall Part 2" :cool:

Btw, The song that I think is overrated is Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop"!!! Never have or will care about this song (It is the only song I skip when listening to a cd).

Brian j.

[DrummerDeanna]

First let me say that I LOVE the Beatles, they are my first love and I will always love them...but two overrater songs from them are:

Yellow Submarine and I Wanna Hold Your Hand....those songs grate on my nerves..

That Outkast song that is ALWAYS on the radio...it annoys the crap outta me

La Vida Loca - Ricky Martin, they need to pull this song OFF the airwaves and never play it again

anything by Avril Laviigohiuehhgn

I agree with Satisfaction...I never got the appeal of that song

[darklinensuit]

I like some of the songs that are listed already, but I agree that several are terrible.

Here are my choices:

Born in the USA (nothing againsts the veterans)
Every Breath You Take (by the thief!)
I Wanna Dance With Somebody Who Loves Me
Macarena
Celebration
Abracadabra
Thriller
Fire and Rain (I like his other songs)
All Night Long
Pseuseudio
Batdance

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

I Will Always Love You (i hate all versions of this song)
Livin' On A Prayer (I hate Bon Jovi...)
Jack and Diane
Vogue
Uptown Girl

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally posted by DrummerDeanna
First let me say that I LOVE the Beatles, they are my first love and I will always love them...but two overrater songs from them are:

Yellow Submarine and I Wanna Hold Your Hand....those songs grate on my nerves..


I totally agree with you. Blech! :eek:

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Every Breath You Take (by the thief!)


:laugh: How does that song go again?

...Every book I take, correct change I fake,
I'll be rorting you.
(I'll be rorting youuu)

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Batdance

:laugh: That was an odd video. Was it Prince dressed up as the Joker is that just my imagination?? I was really young when I would see it on TV.

[xdreamsunwindx]

FM-Related

Sara. (Zzzzzz.)
Dreams. (The only FM song they ever play on our radio stations. And they play it to death)
NGBA. (Too twangy for my tastes. Matchbox 20's version kicks ass, though)
Just Crazy Love. (This song makes my teeth hurt.)
Wild Heart (This song makes me want to pull each individual hair out of my head when I listen to it. I've never liked it.)

Other

Bring Me to Life- Evanescance
The Tide is High- Blondie (Even though I LOVE Blondie, this song is pretty over-rated. Maybe I'm just sick of it...)
The Sweetest Thing- U2 (I also LOVE U2, but this song grates on my nerves to no end.)
Anything by Sheryl Crow *ducks*.
Anything by Creed.

I'm sure I'll think of some more later.

Edit: Hmm. I love some of the songs y'all are putting on your lists, Stairway, Satisfaction, Every Breath You Take, Unchained Melody, Livin' On a Prayer, etc... But I do agree that some of them are over-rated.

[Carolina Girl]

Anything by Sheryl Crow *ducks*.

Sheryl Crow doesn't interest me at all. Maybe it's because all I know of her is what's been played on the radio. It's mediocre at best. Are her non-radio songs better??

[chiliD]

Free Bird - Lynyrd Skynyrd
Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin
Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple
Roundabout - Yes
Riders On The Storm - The Doors
Paranoid - Black Sabbath
Iron Man - Black Sabbath
Another Brick In The Wall - Pink Floyd
Money - Pink Floyd
Have A Cigar - Pink Floyd

[dissention]

ANYTHING by Bob Seger

Unchained Melody (you're so right on, Christy!)

Imagine- John Lennon (it does nothing for me)

Dreams- Fleetwood Mac (rather dull and lifeless)

Like A Rolling Stone- Bob Dylan (I love Dylan, but this song stinks)

American Girl- Tom Petty (I'm a HUGE Petty fan, but this annoys me)

[Janet]

Led Zep, they are great but I'm tired of their songs. I think Stairway isn't that good. If I want great rock and roll epics, The Who never grows old for me.

Same with Rolling Stones..I agree with Satisfaction...their songs aren't as fresh as the Beatles still sound.

I think Dream On is overrated. I can't stand that song ( Aerosmith)

I think Thiller ( the song) is overrated. It's the same annoying beat over and over and the video...too long.

I think the Doors as a whole are overrated. They missed something musically, lyrically, great, but musically, I'm always left cold. I think once you hit like 18 , you realize oh..there is much better.

I too think Dreams should not have been FM's lone number 1 song. I think Stevie has put out much better.

I think Eminem is overrated. At first he was great but he's just now sounding OLD ...same thing over and over.

I always stray off subject...I'll stop now.

[CarneVaca]

Since I don't listen to commercial radio anymore, especially classic rock, it's hard for me to pick one these days.

But I'd have to agree with the "Stairway to Heaven" choice.

Now, "Satisfaction" can never be considered overrated. It contains arguably rock 'n roll's most recognizable riff. And if you consider when it was released, it was a rather risque tune at that.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Janet
Same with Rolling Stones..I agree with Satisfaction...their songs aren't as fresh as the Beatles still sound.


WHAAAAATT!!???

You mean to say that you think "Love Me Do," "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Her Standing There" sound more contemporary than "Satisfaction" or "Angie?" Never.

I think it is fair to say both bands have timeless music. And both bands have songs that sound dated today. To be sure, I can't imagine something like "Here Comes the Sun" ever sounding dated, but "Love Me Do?" Or for that matter, the Stone's "Miss You" will always be identified with the disco era. But to say the Beatles' stuff has withstood the test of time better than the Stones is a bit off.

[Lala]

Originally posted by Janet
I too think Dreams should not have been FM's lone number 1 song. I think Stevie has put out much better.

:nod:

I like Dreams and respect it for being FM's only #1 song. I'll usually listen to it if it comes on...but Sara and Gypsy are better Stevie-FM songs/singles IMHO.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
Dreams- Fleetwood Mac (rather dull and lifeless)Opinions are always such an interesting thing, and I'm definitely not knocking yours... because I don't appreciate my own being knocked... but I get a chuckle out of the fact that you think songs like "Dreams" and "Thrown Down" are dull, lifeless, and boring, but that "Save Me A Place" is a masterpiece. Meanwhile, I feel the exact opposite.
Well, ok, I don't feel that "Thrown Down" is necessarily a "masterpiece," but it definitely doesn't cause me to yawn the way "Save Me A Place" does.

As hard as I've tried, I just can't find an appreciation for it. Most days the nicest thing I can say about it, is that it's short... though I have to say that I don't dislike it as vehemently as I used to.
It just amazes me that out of ALL the Lindsey songs one could put in the "masterpiece" category (and there are many), so many people seem to latch onto that one.

Now, if anyone wants to say that "That's All For Everyone" is a masterpiece, I'll agree with them wholeheartedly! :)
That song is completely and utterly under-rated, to the same degree "Save Me A Place" is over-rated.

[Patti]

Johnny Stew, I couldn't agree more with you! I don't like Save Me a Place at all (and I LOVE Lindsey). It sounds like a funeral dirge or something to me. BOOOORING. And I love That's All for Everyone. Underrated? You bet!

Patti

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by dissention
Imagine- John Lennon (it does nothing for me)

AMEN!!

Anything by Sheryl Crow, I agree with...I can't STAND her voice or songs!!

As for FM songs...I don't think ANY of them are overrated really, except maybe Say You Love Me. I've never thought it was that spectacular of a song, but of course, the hits are usually not my fave songs by people.

Whitney's version of Dolly's I Will Always Love You. I prefer the original because it MEANT something to Miss Dolly and she almost cries when she sings it. Whitney just sings it to be diva-ish.

[chiliD]

Originally posted by dissention
ANYTHING by Bob Seger

Unchained Melody (you're so right on, Christy!)

Imagine- John Lennon (it does nothing for me)

Dreams- Fleetwood Mac (rather dull and lifeless)

Like A Rolling Stone- Bob Dylan (I love Dylan, but this song stinks)

American Girl- Tom Petty (I'm a HUGE Petty fan, but this annoys me)
Originally posted by wondergirl9847
AMEN!!


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Heretics! All the way through & through.





:laugh:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by chiliD
:distress: :distress: :distress: :distress: :distress: :distress:

Heretics! All the way through & through.





:laugh:

I second that.
(But "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...")

- Jake

[Cristian]

Oh, I'm going to get kicked out of this place I think, but I cannot STAND Don McLean's "American Pie".

"My Heart Will Go On" and "I Will Always Love You" are two other strong choices, too.


Song of the moment - Child Of Mine

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by Cristian
Oh, I'm going to get kicked out of this place I think, but I cannot STAND Don McLean's "American Pie".

I like it, but I remember a critics' poll a few years ago named it the most overrated song.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I like it, but I remember a critics' poll a few years ago named it the most overrated song.

- Jake

And do you also remember a few years ago when Madonna ruined it??? :nod:

[misterbug]

--unchained melody
--believe (cher)--why was this song a mega-smash-everywhere? during its heyday, you could be anywhere on the globe and the song would be right there, piercing your brain.
--candle in the wind (princess di version)--ok, the original is played a lot as it is, but i still like it...however, the lyrics on the newer version are cornier and by 1997, elton's voice seemed to have aged about 50 years.
--r-e-s-p-e-c-t
--most holland-dozier-holland songs
--most early elvis songs (lyrics like "won't you wear my ring around your neck, tell the world i'm yours by heck" are downright horrendous).

i agree with a lot of the other choices here, too (esp celine dion). however, i have to admit i think dylan's Like a Rolling Stone is a masterpiece. it is my favorite song of all time and it gives me goosebumps whenever i hear it. that and mr. tambourine man (dylan's version)

[Tango]

With all the great classics being listed, no one's listed the Moody Blues "Knights in White Satin" yet. Might as well put a final stake in our hearts! :distress:

[ryan8472]

I agree with most of the songs you all have said.

My picks:

- Most Bob Marley stuff. His music never did anything for me.

- Mmmbop by Hanson - WHAT?! It's just a bunch of jiberish! And to think my sister loved them...

- Most of this so-called 'punk' **** that kids my age are listening to. It's terrible! That includes songs by Good Charlotte, Blink 182, Linkin Park, New Found Glory, and Sum 41.

- Rap in general.

- American Pie, by Don McLean. I know it's already been said, but I just had to express my hate for this song.

[Siri Ruane]

Originally posted by Carolina Girl
Sheryl Crow doesn't interest me at all. Maybe it's because all I know of her is what's been played on the radio. It's mediocre at best. Are her non-radio songs better??

Deffinetly. :nod: I only have "Tuesday Night Music Club" and its very non-commercail which I love. She still sounds pretty mediocre on it, but she can really write a song. '

Over rated songs are all the songs people my age listen to. I ask myself everyday why I wasn't born 20 years earlier. :distress:

[seeker007nmss]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
"Old Time Rock And Roll," by Bob Segar.
I'd be happy as a clam if I never had to hear that song again.



Thank you Johnny Stew, Thank You. I have been saying the same for years.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally posted by Siri Ruane
Deffinetly. :nod: I only have "Tuesday Night Music Club" and its very non-commercail which I love. She still sounds pretty mediocre on it, but she can really write a song. '

Over rated songs are all the songs people my age listen to. I ask myself everyday why I wasn't born 20 years earlier. :distress:

Umm..that album was totally commercial, she released nearly the whole album onto the radio!!

Still..I LOVE Sheryl Crow, but I'm used to no one else liking her lol...that was my plight in high school, when Tuesday Night Music Club first came out, everyone hated her and I was like.."WooHoo!! Sheryl Crow.." ahahha...

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally posted by Cristian
Oh, I'm going to get kicked out of this place I think, but I cannot STAND Don McLean's "American Pie".

"My Heart Will Go On" and "I Will Always Love You" are two other strong choices, too.


Song of the moment - Child Of Mine

Oh no...I totally agree with American Pie...I've never cared for that song at all!! The only way I listen to it now is when I'm alone and can sing Weird Al's lyrics to it instead of the real ones...it's quite fun...!!!

I also agree with Celine and only the Whitney version of IWALY...I LOVE the *original* no one can do it like Dolly :D

[Lala]

Angel - Sarah McLachlan
It's a pretty song...but it's been overplayed. They use it when people die waaaay too much. I much prefer Building A Mystery.

Because You Loved Me - Celine Dion
*shudder* I can't stand anything by her...but this song and 'My Heart Will Do On' are really overdone.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally posted by ryan8472


- Mmmbop by Hanson - WHAT?! It's just a bunch of jiberish! And to think my sister loved them...




Wasn't this inspired by Second Hand News?:D

[shackin'up]

obladi-oblada

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
And do you also remember a few years ago when Madonna ruined ("American Pie")??? :nod: Actually, I really liked Madonna's take on it.

I never could get into the length and slow tempo of the original... so I liked her abridged, uptempo approach. :)

[Cristian]

Originally posted by ryan8472
- American Pie, by Don McLean. I know it's already been said, but I just had to express my hate for this song.

Yay! Thank you very much... :D


Song of the moment - Morning Rain

[ryan8472]

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
Wasn't this inspired by Second Hand News?:D

:lol:

To think, I actually saw Hanson in concert too....

Originally posted by Cristian
Yay! Thank you very much... :D

I'm glad someone else shares some of my dislikes! :wavey:

[Sorcerer386]

Well, a lot of the songs listed I don't think are overrated simply because they're not songs that are talked about a lot and constantly played. They might have had their time (and i'm not saying ALL of them aren't overrated), but by overrated I think of the classic songs that EVERYBODY seems to like, talk about, or think changed the world. That being said, I have the three songs that I think are totally overrated:

1. Smells Like Teen Spirit - oh my God did I think Nirvana was awful. Sorry, but I actually like to hear the words that are being sung to me. Plus, maybe they changed music for a time with the whole grunge thing, but just because they changed music doesn't mean they did anything BETTER to it. I think the grunge music movement was awful, and I'm glad it's hardly around anymore.

2. Hotel California - it's an ok song, but I wouldn't call home about it if I heard it for the first time today. Bland and way too long.

3. Yesterday - Rolling Stone named this the #1 pop song of all time? Can you say yawn?

Now let Hell, fire, and brimstone fall on me as I post this, for I know I'll get heat for this.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by Sorcerer386
2. Hotel California - it's an ok song, but I wouldn't call home about it if I heard it for the first time today. Bland and way too long.

I was going to include this but I do like much of the song. The guitar goes on forever before ending, though, just repeating & repeating.:rolleyes: I've wondered what Lindsey (He of the creative "Murrow" ending) could have done with it.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by DrummerDeanna
Still..I LOVE Sheryl Crow, but I'm used to no one else liking her lol

I love her, too. Career-wise she reminds me of where Stevie was in the 70s, when it seemed like she was dating & recording with everyone.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

We Built This City (The word does rhyme with city...)

Glory of Love

If You Leave (From Pretty In Pink)

I've Had The Time Of My Life

Physical

Wind Beneath My Wings

Heaven

Crocodile Rock (WTF???)

Mandy

Solid As A Rock

Electric Avenue

Footloose

Purple Rain (Am I the ONLY one who thinks Prince has a poor singing voice?)

- Jake

[shackin'up]

Originally posted by darklinensuit

Am I the ONLY one who thinks Prince has a poor singing voice?

- Jake

no.
it's pathetic.


gerald

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally posted by darklinensuit

Purple Rain (Am I the ONLY one who thinks Prince has a poor singing voice?)

- Jake

I can't stand his voice either. But he is a great songwriter and musician. That vocalist v. songwriter and/or musician debate again. :laugh:

[jwd]

Tango:

With all the great classics being listed, no one's listed the Moody Blues "Knights in White Satin" yet.

Gives a whole new meaning to the song don't ya think?! :D


Joe

[dissention]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Wind Beneath My Wings

I don't think this song gets enough credit, actually. Yeah, it's a bit cheesy and it reeks of 80s, but it is the number one example of a hit ballad. It has everything in it: fantastic singing, melodramatic music, it was produced to show off the artists pipes; I think all other ballad singers need to take a look at this for the way to do it right.

Glory of Love is a fab song, but it needs an uptempo treatment, NOT the ballad treatment. The little girl from Beaches gave the best rendition of it. ;) :D

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by dissention
I don't think this song gets enough credit, actually. Yeah, it's a bit cheesy and it reeks of 80s, but it is the number one example of a hit ballad. It has everything in it: fantastic singing, melodramatic music, it was produced to show off the artists pipes; I think all other ballad singers need to take a look at this for the way to do it right.D

Sorry, I think her voice stinks on it. Nothing like the great vocals she gave for "The Rose" or "When a Man Loves a Woman". Just dreary. I know this opinion isn't popular, but it's my humble one.:)

- Jake

[dissention]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Sorry, I think her voice stinks on it. Nothing like the great vocals she gave for "The Rose" or "When a Man Loves a Woman". Just dreary. I know this opinion isn't popular, but it's my humble one.:)

- Jake

I think ALL of her vocals from The Rose are jaw-dropping; they're simply fantastic. :nod:

Hmm, I think I should start a Bette appreciation thread...:laugh:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by dissention
I think ALL of her vocals from The Rose are jaw-dropping; they're simply fantastic. :nod:

Hmm, I think I should start a Bette appreciation thread...:laugh:

Sorry again, but as far as appreciation goes, the only thing I could stand her in is Ruthless People. Chainsaw enema, anyone?:)

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Sorry, I think her voice stinks on it. Nothing like the great vocals she gave for "The Rose" or "When a Man Loves a Woman". Just dreary. I know this opinion isn't popular, but it's my humble one.:)

- Jake

Bette is a little like Bonnie Raitt to me. Both never really sing 100% in key. But, therein is the magic of them IMO.

[dissention]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Sorry again, but as far as appreciation goes, the only thing I could stand her in is Ruthless People. Chainsaw enema, anyone?:)

- Jake

:laugh:

"Oh, gee whiz! I'm a real aficianado of death camp cuizine!"

:laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Bette is a little like Bonnie Raitt to me. Both never really sing 100% in key. But, therein is the magic of them IMO.

It's funny that you should say that. ;)

A friend of mine just sent me a bunch of "studio reels" of Bette in the studio. Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that La Midler doesn't need pro-tools to fix a thing; she sounds fantastic during first takes and everything. My favorite one is a recording session for a bunch of "For the Boys" songs; every single one of 'em is amazing. Let me know if you want me to send ya one to listen to.

:wavey:

[chiliD]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Bette is a little like Bonnie Raitt to me. Both never really sing 100% in key. But, therein is the magic of them IMO.


There should be some sort of law barring using Bette Midler & Bonnie Raitt in the same sentence. How degrading to Bonnie. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by chiliD
There should be some sort of law barring using Bette Midler & Bonnie Raitt in the same sentence. How degrading to Bonnie. :laugh:

Mea Culpa!!!

I agree, unlike Bette, Bonnie R. is the whole package - player (and a great one at that), writer, performer, and singer. "Green Light" and Nick of Time are amonst my fav.'s to this day not to mention her "I Can't Make you Love Me" (chills) and who the hell else could sing "I ain't some icon carved out of soap - Sent here to clean up your reputation" :laugh:

I do, however, love Bette, just perhaps not in the same sentence!!! :cool:

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by dissention
It's funny that you should say that. ;)

A friend of mine just sent me a bunch of "studio reels" of Bette in the studio. Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that La Midler doesn't need pro-tools to fix a thing; she sounds fantastic during first takes and everything. My favorite one is a recording session for a bunch of "For the Boys" songs; every single one of 'em is amazing. Let me know if you want me to send ya one to listen to.

:wavey:

How cool is it to have those!!!!! I love BM (did I just day that? :cool: ) She can sing anything so convincingly. Remember when she sang "Wind Beneath My Wings" at that NYC 9-11 memorial at Chez Stadium thingee. I was in some airport and just started sobbing as pretty much did she. As an aside, liza with a Z was also pretty great at the memorial. The whole thing really was great. So much emotion. I do not know how the artist got through the songs. In fact, many did not, without crying.

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
How cool is it to have those!!!!! I love BM (did I just day that? :cool: ) She can sing anything so convincingly. Remember when she sang "Wind Beneath My Wings" at that NYC 9-11 memorial at Chez Stadium thingee. I was in some airport and just started sobbing as pretty much did she. As an aside, liza with a Z was also pretty great at the memorial. The whole thing really was great. So much emotion. I do not know how the artist got through the songs. In fact, many did not, without crying.

:laugh:

Nice to know you love BMs, doll. ;)

They aren't as good quality as the Stevie reels and they do have noticeable hiss, but they are pretty awesome. :nod: Part of the reason why I love her so dearly is that she can sing any song as if it was her own.

And...she does write her own stuff and play instruments. ;) Back in the seventies, she had written *tons* of her own material (rumoured to be around 50-70 songs) and recorded them, but something happened with her label or such and they practically stole them from her. As of late, she starting to put her self-penned stuff out there during her tours. We can only hope that she finally records and releases her stuff on albums!

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Pseuseudio

I didn't know that song was even rated! :laugh: :laugh:

[cliffdweller]

Christy, you are so right with "Satisfaction." I think classic rock radio d.j.'s are obligated to play that song every hour on the hour! Ugh! I'm sick of it, and to the Stones: enough already, you guys sound HORRIBLE, like a sloppy garage band WAY past its prime!! I think it's time to retire now.