An udder lack of decorum: The breast that bounced 'round the world

[CarneVaca]

I'll start by saying that I LIKE breasts. There. I have no problem with exposed breasts. And I'll further add that if there is an exposed breast somewhere in my sight's periphery, my eyeballs are going to zero in on said breast. It's automatic.

I'll also add that Janet Jackson's Superbowl stunt was tacky. Unquestionably.

Yet, I'd like to add some perspective here. CBS was inundated with phone calls and e-mails after goofball Justin exposed the pop siren's right breast. This was no accident. But why all the shock?

A lot of people are claiming a high moral ground by decrying the exposure of a breast that came during the middle of what is a rather violent, often intentionally, show. Surely they are aware that it is often part of a team's winning strategy to injure certain players in the opposing team with an eye to getting them out of the game, thereby, increasing the injuring team's chances at winning. I mean, most of the game revolves around knocking down the guy in front of you, for crying out loud!

Furthermore, you had commercials with horse flatulence, bestiality and old men abusing their elderly wives to get to a bag of chips. And an exposed breast is what's causing all this controversy?

Something is off balance here.

[wondergirl9847]

Some of the commercials were funny.

I wasn't shocked by the boobie....I mean, we ALL saw 'Lil Kim's boobie on MTV. I know this was on "regular" TV as opposed to cable, but they showed Billy Campbell's butt on that show on ABC(can't remember the name right this second). :shrug:

Does ANYONE remember seeing the streaker? It was right after halftime, they were coming back to the game, but somebody was dancing in the middle of the field, but they only showed a faraway shot and then went straight to a coach, and never showed the streaker. LOL We were all watching and my cousin goes "Is somebody dancing on the field?" Then, we all noticed they looked naked.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I wasn't shocked...in fact, I laughed. And I agree with you 100%(marks calendar YET AGAIN :nod: ). If you're going to complain about the breast that bounced 'round' the world, then you ought to examine everything else that was on TV last night during the game AND the game itself. It goes to say, if you don't like what you see, turn it off!! You're watching a game where guys beat the crap out of one another. What do you expect? And you know what? They show more booty on NYPD Blue. I don't think it was that big of a deal...I just thought it was tasteless.

IMO, it was once again a lame publicity stunt a la Britney and Madonna. And hey Janet...Lil Kim called...she wants her schtick back. It's all been done before....

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
And hey Janet...Lil Kim called...she wants her schtick back. It's all been done before....

Yeah, what's with only exposing one breast anyway? Two would have been more original.

Something is definitely off balance.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Something is definitely off balance.

Could it be the saline??? :laugh: :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I'm so glad I didn't watch the Superbowl. I read a book instead. I sure did hear about the boob incident later on.

[CarneVaca]

You've got to be kidding me! Now the FCC is saying it is going to investigate the breast exposure:

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2081443

"Yes, Miss Jackson, I am Derbert Dingledud, special agent, investigations, for the FCC. I am here to look into the Superbowl exposure incident. I will need to see the evidence, if you don't mind."

[strandinthewind]

I just love that it was the Timberwoman who "accidently" did it. I mean didn't Brittney's dancers almost pull her pants down last year when they were taking off the first layer of her clothing? :eek:

[wondergirl9847]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040202/483/sbx18102020149

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
You've got to be kidding me! Now the FCC is saying it is going to investigate the breast exposure:

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2081443

"Yes, Miss Jackson, I am Derbert Dingledud, special agent, investigations, for the FCC. I am here to look into the Superbowl exposure incident. I will need to see the evidence, if you don't mind."

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

"Now, was that a piercing or a pasty?"

[CarneVaca]

If you follow the sequence, as depicted in the link below, there's no way you can think it was an accident. (Warning, if you click on the link you are going to see a breast. If that offends you, do not click: )

http://www.dyn-apps.com/dev/janet.html

[dissention]

It was quite intentional. :nod: :rolleyes: Rather lame, IMO.

Kind of makes you think. Our people are over in another country, trying to spread American values, and this sort of thing, which is broadcast all over the world, happens.

MTV, CBS, Jackson, and Timberlake don't know the meaning of good taste or decorum. I suspect that it may have been a conscious attempt to take a little of the focus off of Jacko...;)

[CarneVaca]

See, I think that if she wanted to expose herself, she should have just walked on already bare-breasted. The exposure doesn't bother me. The fact he pulled it off is what's troubling, only because it was very clearly the depiction of an aggressive act.

Of course, the violence of that action pales in comparison to the violence that happens on the field. And did I mention the commercials?

We are a tasteless culture.

[dissention]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
We are a tasteless culture.

You can say that again. :rolleyes: ;)

[wondergirl9847]

Look at Timberlake's face right after he rips it off...he has this look like "What the?" But, who knows. :shrug: Also, Janet does look like she looks down with a weird look.

They are good actors. LOL

[wondergirl9847]

I have a link to the CLOSEUP...it was NOT a pastie folks. :eek:

I don't wanna post the pic here.

[dissention]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
I have a link to the CLOSEUP...it was NOT a pastie folks. :eek:

I don't wanna post the pic here.

Oh lord, she didn't even show any nipple! :laugh:

I was waiting for Diana Ross to show up and jiggle it, though.

[CarneVaca]

Oh lord, she didn't even show any nipple!

The close-up will disavow you of that notion.

[dissention]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
The close-up will disavow you of that notion.

If that's a nipple, she got some kinky looking nipples. :nod: It looks like a tiny metal clamp that's hanging off her boob.

Post a link, dammit! :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

Check yer PM's Dis.

[dissention]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Check yer PM's Dis.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

:wavey:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by dissention
I was waiting for Diana Ross to show up and jiggle it, though.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You and me both...LOL At least Janet wasn't sporting some serious stretch marks...that? Was gross :nod:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by dissention
:eek: :eek: :eek:

:wavey:

Right!

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by dissention
If that's a nipple, she got some kinky looking nipples. :nod: It looks like a tiny metal clamp that's hanging off her boob.

Post a link, dammit! :laugh:

Yeah - what the hell is that metal clamp thingie? Good lord!!

Someone who knows more about piercings will have to fill me in, I guess!

[Johnny Stew]

Does anyone remember Mick Jagger yanking off Tina Turner's mini-skirt during Live-Aid?

It was naughty and surprising, and yet, Mick & Tina exuded so much charisma, chemistry and professionalism, that it was just a great, pure rock 'n roll kinda moment.

Janet & Justin?
Eh... seemed forced.

I'm definitely not a prude, and while I was surprised, I definitely wasn't shocked... I was just left feeling like "what was the point?"

There was no sense of "fun naughtiness" about it.

But I have to say that I am not at all surprised at the number of prudish people who are outraged by this.
As Carne pointed out, there are a lot of strange things people look right past... but the minute you see a body part exposed, everyone goes into a tizzy.

"Well, ain't that America."

[DeeGeMe]

I'm not fan of Matt Drudge but if you go to www.drudgereport.com, he's got uhm. . .close-up shots of the . . .whatever the heck that was around her. . .uhm. . .nipple. It's some sort of piercing body jewelry. It looks painful to me. The real story here is that apparently MTV had posted something on their website earlier on Sunday about how Janet's performance would be "shocking". After it all hit the fan, they yanked that particular press release off the website but you can still google it and get the cached version of it. It was not an accident, that much is for sure.

Maybe it's my age, but yes, I was shocked. I sort of expect that sort of thing at the MTV Awards but this was network TV with a huge worldwide audience--one of the most highly viewed events of the year-and as it turned out, one of the most highly watched Super Bowls in several years. Yes, the human body is a beautiful thing, but does that mean that everyone has to go around showing theirs off? Little kids watch this game for God's sake!

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by DeeGeMe
Little kids watch this game for God's sake!

But the questionable content of the commercials is OK for kids? Grandpa beating up grandma to get to a bag of chips. That's OK? For that matter, the inherent violence in the game itself is OK?

I'm not knocking football or justifying Janet's stupid stunt. But I think we need a sense of perspective.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Does anyone remember Mick Jagger yanking off Tina Turner's mini-skirt during Live-Aid?

It was naughty and surprising, and yet, Mick & Tina exuded so much charisma, chemistry and professionalism, that it was just a great, pure rock 'n roll kinda moment.

Well, when those two are together, they can do *no* wrong. I've always thought they should collaborate together for an album, it would kick MAJOR ass. Tina and Mick are the great rock duo that never got together, IMO. :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
Well, when those two are together, they can do *no* wrong. I've always thought they should collaborate together for an album, it would kick MAJOR ass. Tina and Mick are the great rock duo that never got together, IMO. :nod: I couldn't agree more!!!

[gldstwmn]

I think the problem here is that some idiots out there are going to think that it's okay to go around trying to rip girls tops off.

[WelshWitchPMD]

One of the talk radio stations out here is having a debate if Janet's boobs are real or fake.

Now what does everyone think?

[Mad4stevie]

Ok - now I am gonna ask as stupid question . . . but do people wear "clamps" like that under clothes all the time? It just seems pretty ornate to be wearing if you aren't planning on showing it off . . .

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Ok - now I am gonna ask as stupid question . . . but do people wear "clamps" like that under clothes all the time? It just seems pretty ornate to be wearing if you aren't planning on showing it off . . .

My guess is this is like a piece of jewelry. She probably just wears a generic one normally.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by WelshWitchPMD
One of the talk radio stations out here is having a debate if Janet's boobs are real or fake.

Now what does everyone think?

Tear shaped saline implants, I think. Probably through the armpit, or the abdomen, maybe underneath the boob itself. You can't see that part.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Tear shaped saline implants, I think. Probably through the armpit, or the abdomen, maybe underneath the boob itself. You can't see that part.

Yeah I am no expert on them but they look fake to me.:laugh:

[sparky]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
If you follow the sequence, as depicted in the link below, there's no way you can think it was an accident. (Warning, if you click on the link you are going to see a breast. If that offends you, do not click: )

http://www.dyn-apps.com/dev/janet.html


Even that editing and direction was choreographed. Fireworks, right after the implant shot - what a coincidence !

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by sparky
Even that editing and direction was choreographed. Fireworks, right after the implant shot - what a coincidence !

I know. And then the lights go out.

[Mad4stevie]

Yeah - I only saw this on a replay - what happened after the boob shot? Was the performance over and what did Janet do?

[dissention]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Yeah - I only saw this on a replay - what happened after the boob shot? Was the performance over and what did Janet do?

Little boy Timberlake was interviewed by Access Hollywood right afterwards and said the stunt was "hot." :rolleyes:

I guess the surprise appearance that the Superbowl ads kept touting was Janet's right tit. :rolleyes:

[DeeGeMe]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
But the questionable content of the commercials is OK for kids? Grandpa beating up grandma to get to a bag of chips. That's OK? For that matter, the inherent violence in the game itself is OK?

I'm not knocking football or justifying Janet's stupid stunt. But I think we need a sense of perspective.

Normally I would have had some issues with some of the commercials that were aired--how about the one where the monkey was hitting on the girl--that's just too icky to contemplate--then out struts Kid Rock wearing an American flag as a poncho and I was having some issues but then along came J&J and the Boob show and that was pretty much the kicker for me. I know I'm turning 40 this year, but I have now become old enough to be shocked by this stuff. And yes, Johnny Stew, I vividly remember LiveAid and the Mick & Tina thing. But somehow, that was classy in comparison to this!

[DeeGeMe]

Oh and another thing---anybody notice right as they were about to play after the half and they cut away from the field and didn't explain at what was going on and why they'd cut away from the field but you could see one of the coach's laughing? Well turns out that they had a male streaker! Now if we could see Janet's boob why couldn't we see Mr. Streaker? Women (and gay men of America) demand equal nudity! Again, double-standard-female nudity okay--male nudity NOT. Damn!

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I think the problem here is that some idiots out there are going to think that it's okay to go around trying to rip girls tops off.

That thought crossed my mind too.

Commercials during the superbowl have become tackier and tackier. I actually didn't watch them, or the game itself, and didn't hear about this "incident" until watching the news!

But I can understand why people would be upset by this, even if they didn't cry "Oh, the humanity!" after viewing the horrific violence that is the Superbowl Pringles commercial.

In my opinion, it's inappropriate to bare a woman's breast on network TV, no matter what the context. This woman was being sexually objectified for the benefit of the overwhelmingly male audience and it offends me. And yes, it happens other places. Does that mean I have to accept it everywhere? I don't understand why people who feel the same way as I do are deemed hypocritical "prudes."

So, who is allowed to react negatively without being viewed as hypocritical? People who boycott sports where anyone might get hurt? People who never watch TV or movies because they're full of sex and violence? People who never get a laugh out of some slapstick? Good luck finding someone that pure. So should we all just give up objecting to anything because none of us are perfect enough to object to everything?

To me, the hypocrites are the ones who designed this stunt, then disavowed it when they saw people weren't eating it up. Why? Because they're only pretending to be prudes. ;)

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by sodascouts
That thought crossed my mind too.

Commercials during the superbowl have become tackier and tackier. I actually didn't watch them, or the game itself, and didn't hear about this "incident" until watching the news!

But I can understand why people would be upset by this, even if they didn't cry "Oh, the humanity!" after viewing the horrific violence that is the Superbowl Pringles commercial.

In my opinion, it's inappropriate to bare a woman's breast on network TV, no matter what the context. This woman was being sexually objectified for the benefit of the overwhelmingly male audience and it offends me. And yes, it happens other places. Does that mean I have to accept it everywhere? I don't understand why people who feel the same way as I do are deemed hypocritical "prudes."

So, who is allowed to react negatively without being viewed as hypocritical? People who boycott sports where anyone might get hurt? People who never watch TV or movies because they're full of sex and violence? People who never get a laugh out of some slapstick? Good luck finding someone that pure. So should we all just give up objecting to anything because none of us are perfect enough to object to everything?

To me, the hypocrites are the ones who designed this stunt, then disavowed it when they saw people weren't eating it up. Why? Because they're only pretending to be prudes. ;)

Good points.

While I personally am not offended by a bare breast, I can say that I was shocked that this occurred on network TV. For me, it is more about the context of the show than anything. If I was a parent, I can't say that I would be overjoyed with the thought of my kids seeing this. No matter whether this kind of nudity is right or wrong, our society puts certain parameters on this kind of display. I can't imagine that anyone in the viewing audience would have expected this kind of "showing".

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by DeeGeMe
And yes, Johnny Stew, I vividly remember LiveAid and the Mick & Tina thing. But somehow, that was classy in comparison to this! My point exactly. :nod:

I think the "legends" need to start giving some pointers to the current pop-stars.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
My point exactly. :nod:

I think the "legends" need to start giving some pointers to the current pop-stars.

Yeah - to think that Stevie was up in arms about the Britney/Madonna kiss!

I wonder what she is thinking of this fiasco?

[Sorcerer386]

I had a long post in regards to this, but i deleted it because im not going to get into it. Just let me say what I originally said at the beginning of it...ho-hum. And let me say, parents, it's your job to talk to your kids about "the birds and the bees." I found much more offensive that people didn't like their kids seeing it because then they had to explain it to them. I knew about such things, I can't even remember how old I was. The more kids know, the less curious they're going to be.

[seeker007nmss]

A Jackson doing something silly for publicity? Nah...couldn't happen.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I think the problem here is that some idiots out there are going to think that it's okay to go around trying to rip girls tops off.

That's a legitimate concern. But couldn't you say that about the song's lyrics themselves, and for that matter every dance move during the song? Also, you got TV shows with people eating worms right now. I don't think there's a lot of worm-eating going on as a result.

Lastly, Janet has now admitted it was a planned stunt, though she says it was a last-minute plan.

Sure it was tacky. But I think there's far worse stuff on TV. Heads getting blown off. People eating insects. Women marrying men for money in a kind of legalized prostitution. Yet no FCC investigations into these things.

[CarneVaca]

I guess I shouldn't be baffled by people's reaction to anything. But this overblown reaction to a bare breast is crazy. Justin and Janet could have danced and simulated 69 up there and as long as they kept their clothes on, there would be no FCC investigation and not even half the outrage.

I am no arguing that whole pitiful show had any redeeming value whatsoever. I am merely pointing out that some of the same people who devour highly questionable reality TV and extreme violence in network programming and in sports are terribly misguided in getting up and arms over a breast. You got kids having their dreams shattered, being humiliated in front of a national audience on American Idol and people eat that up. And let's not forget Jerry Springer (is that even on anymore) was on daytime TV. Daytime TV!

Furthermore, during the Superbowl you had commercials with a horse farting in a woman's face and a monkey hitting on a girl, the not-so-subliminal message there being bestiality. Grandpa beats grandma with a cane to get to a bag of chips and that's OK.

I don't get it. Yes, TV programming has quite questionable. But I can't help thinking that a bare breast is far less offensive that then standard fare.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
That's a legitimate concern. But couldn't you say that about the song's lyrics themselves, and for that matter every dance move during the song? Also, you got TV shows with people eating worms right now. I don't think there's a lot of worm-eating going on as a result.

Lastly, Janet has now admitted it was a planned stunt, though she says it was a last-minute plan.

Sure it was tacky. But I think there's far worse stuff on TV. Heads getting blown off. People eating insects. Women marrying men for money in a kind of legalized prostitution. Yet no FCC investigations into these things.

You've pretty much summed up why I don't really watch network television and why I read a book instead of watching the Superbowl.:)

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Sure it was tacky. But I think there's far worse stuff on TV. Heads getting blown off. People eating insects. Women marrying men for money in a kind of legalized prostitution...

Or some of those horrible "reality shows" that are offensive because they insult my intelligence! Aaack! I'd rather watch a boob pop out any day over "My Big, Fat, Obnoxious Fiancee." No rhyme intended!

[tommer]

and i still can't see the problem with showing a 38 year old woman's tit on a broadcast channel's prime time.

it's not like i'm saying it ain't a problem for ME, i just don't RECOGNIZE a problem there, i honestly don't.
if you rule out any hypocritical arguments, you must realize that if Fear Factor is okay then Janet's boob is fair game.

[misterbug]

i think it was a clever marketing stunt. janet has a new album soon to be released and lo, she's probably now the most talked-about entertainer in america at the moment.

i think people's reaction to the exposed teat is ridiculous. all the bigwigs are throwing a clot, but they should face it: the incident caused a huge spike in ratings, and surely it will increase next year's halftime show viewership (take note, ad execs). plus, no sooner had the superbowl festivities ended than we all caught sight of the great, woolly abomination that is richard hatch strutting about nude on survivor island.

i certainly hope they don't drop janet from the grammy show. i'm sure more people are planning to tune in because of her exposure.

to me, it seems like people are either upset about 1) the "message" janet's move sends out; or 2) the "indecency" of the exposure.

well, i don't think the message of the exposed breast is any different from the song's message. before dishing out the blame, cbs ought to remember that THEY approved a song whose lyrics include "i'll have you nekkid by the end of this song." why should they be so wrought about a visual to go along with the tune?

and as for the second point, who has not seen a breast? i think a lot of people are just prudes. just think: a hundred years ago, it was scandalous to expose one's ankles or knickers. in another few decades, i'm sure full nudity and swearing will be the norm on tv, which does not bother me. i don't see why people find that kind of TV so offensive--considering sexuality is the most fundamental aspect of humanity--and yet one never hears this kind of controversy over a show like Extreme Makeovers (where usually mopey or dissatisfied women are put through the rigors of extensive cosmetic surgery, and then put on display at the end during which time they always appear happy--this message seems much more dishonest and potentially harmful).

[markolas]

Let me see if I've got this right...

The president of the United States can <u>lie</u> to the whole world about his reasons for bombing a foreign country, and no one thinks it's a big deal. But a woman shows her breast on television, and the FCC is launching an <i>investigation</i> and the whole nation is in an uproar???

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by markolas
Let me see if I've got this right...

The president of the United States can <u>lie</u> to the whole world about his reasons for bombing a foreign country, and no one thinks it's a big deal. But a woman shows her breast on television, and the FCC is launching an <i>investigation</i> and the whole nation is in an uproar???

Much less Bob Dole, the like 75 year old pillar of the right and Viagra spokesperson, last year making a reference to getting sexually excited while watching a barely dressed and barely 21 year old Brittany Spears dance in a Pepsi Commerical :rolleyes: Its all hypocritical IMO :mad:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by markolas
Let me see if I've got this right...

The president of the United States can <u>lie</u> to the whole world about his reasons for bombing a foreign country, and no one thinks it's a big deal. But a woman shows her breast on television, and the FCC is launching an <i>investigation</i> and the whole nation is in an uproar???

:laugh: :laugh:

Great point. I wish I had thought of making it.

Me, I'm all for breasts. But I've made that clear.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
You've pretty much summed up why I don't really watch network television and why I read a book instead of watching the Superbowl.:)

I second that!!! I went out to eat and just hung out with fellow anti-superbowl pals....

I got rid of cable about six months ago, and since I go to my sister's house to watch Friends, I really don't miss it one bit!!! I'm just sick of getting pissed off everytime something like this pops up...or just from simply watching...

[estranged4life]

attention since I didnt care for the halftime show since all the "entertainers" who were used (As they say would on the GREAT "Behind The Music...That Sucks" show) "suck major ass"!!!

Brian "The greatest invention ever-The Mute button on TV remotes" j.

[SteveMacD]

I just have to say that America needs to grow up already. Oooh, one of Janet Jackson's boobs graced the television for all of two seconds. It's the end of the world and all things holy. :rolleyes:

I mean, every time I go to Canada, I'm amazed at what I see on television. I've seen full frontal nudity and a slew of four letter words on broadcast television up there. Ironically, there's less violence up there. In fact, it's just the opposite! Crossing the Ambassador Bridge is quit surreal. In under two minutes, one goes from being in one of the most dangerous areas of North America to one of the safer areas of North America. Why? Because the violent criminals are at home with their pants around their ankles watching soft-core porn on broadcast television!!

In all seriousness, I find the FCC rules insulting. From the day Americans are brought into the world, we're told about freedom of speech. Yet, my government thinks I should be limited in what I can see and hear on television and radio. They don't think that as an adult I'm able to decide for myself what I want to see or hear. What's free about that?

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by markolas
Let me see if I've got this right...

The president of the United States can <u>lie</u> to the whole world about his reasons for bombing a foreign country, and no one thinks it's a big deal. But a woman shows her breast on television, and the FCC is launching an <i>investigation</i> and the whole nation is in an uproar???

Amen brother! You are preaching to the choir! BTW the pretzeldent told Colin Powell's son there at the FCC that Ms. Jackson if you're nasty shouldn't be prosecuted.:eek:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by SteveMacD
I just have to say that America needs to grow up already. Oooh, one of Janet Jackson's boobs graced the television for all of two seconds. It's the end of the world and all things holy. :rolleyes:

I mean, every time I go to Canada, I'm amazed at what I see on television. I've seen full frontal nudity and a slew of four letter words on broadcast television up there. Ironically, there's less violence up there. In fact, it's just the opposite! Crossing the Ambassador Bridge is quit surreal. In under two minutes, one goes from being in one of the most dangerous areas of North America to one of the safer areas of North America. Why? Because the violent criminals are at home with their pants around their ankles watching soft-core porn on broadcast television!!



Intersting. I thought it was because they owned a lot less guns than we do.

[dissention]

Originally posted by SteveMacD
I just have to say that America needs to grow up already. Oooh, one of Janet Jackson's boobs graced the television for all of two seconds. It's the end of the world and all things holy. :rolleyes:

I mean, every time I go to Canada, I'm amazed at what I see on television. I've seen full frontal nudity and a slew of four letter words on broadcast television up there. Ironically, there's less violence up there. In fact, it's just the opposite! Crossing the Ambassador Bridge is quit surreal. In under two minutes, one goes from being in one of the most dangerous areas of North America to one of the safer areas of North America. Why? Because the violent criminals are at home with their pants around their ankles watching soft-core porn on broadcast television!!

In all seriousness, I find the FCC rules insulting. From the day Americans are brought into the world, we're told about freedom of speech. Yet, my government thinks I should be limited in what I can see and hear on television and radio. They don't think that as an adult I'm able to decide for myself what I want to see or hear. What's free about that?

Hmmmm. Canadians aren't violent because they're too busy masturbating to porn at all hours of the day? That's a bit of a stretch.

Would you like the FCC to go the way of the dinosaurs? I agree that I should be able to watch what I want no matter what, but I don't think network television should be playing stuff like "Pulp Fiction" and "Striptease" in the afternoon or at 8 PM.

As for what is on TV right now, if no one likes it, get off your fat ass and change the channel, IMO. :laugh:

[Rob67]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Intersting. I thought it was because they owned a lot less guns than we do.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.:D :wavey:

Rob:cool:

[dissention]

Originally posted by Rob67
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.:D :wavey:

Rob:cool:

Oh brother. :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Rob67
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.:D :wavey:

Rob:cool:

Thus, the formal start of the "guns are the devil" argument :laugh:

I say we will never get rid of them and as long as the law has them, we should be able to have them.

Having said that, I think if you own a gun, you ought to have to have to certify you are trained in how to use it. You ought to have to certify you have a locked place in your house to store it, esp. if you have kids. Then, you ought to have to bring all of your guns down to the police station or whereever every six months to re-register it. While you are there, you ought to have to fire it into a device that records its bullet markings. Failure to do any of the above will result in incarceration - period.

How's that for being a hard ass!!!!

:cool:

[CarneVaca]

I liked this thread a lot better when we were talking about boobs.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I liked this thread a lot better when we were talking about boobs.

I agree.

I say boobs should be brought to the forefront of public discourse!!!!!!

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

:] :blob2: :blob1: :blob1: :blob2: :]

[dissention]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I liked this thread a lot better when we were talking about boobs.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

Well, when I was a lil Texan, my dad had guns (still does) and he kept them in a guncase with NO lock on it, and it had two glass sliding doors. Growing up, I shot bb guns and when I got older, we'd go out in the country and shoot at targets. Now, I go out with my cousin during the holidays and shoot.

Guns are NOT evil and if people want them, they should be able to have them.

If you teach kids to be scared of things, that's not a good thing. EDUCATE them. Show them how to handle things, including guns, animals, bad situations.

Remember stop, drop and roll? We really do need to teach our kids better. I'm not saying teach them how to shoot guns in school (LOL), but as parents, take your kids out and be with them and show them things. Teach them fishing, sports and various activities. Spending time with kids is how to keep them from getting in trouble, IMO.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Well, when I was a lil Texan, my dad had guns (still does) and he kept them in a guncase with NO lock on it, and it had two glass sliding doors. Growing up, I shot bb guns and when I got older, we'd go out in the country and shoot at targets. Now, I go out with my cousin during the holidays and shoot.

OK, fine, but what does this have to do with boobs!?:confused:

[Rob67]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
OK, fine, but what does this have to do with boobs!?:confused:

I agree...I vote for a return to boobs!:D

Rob:cool:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Rob67
I agree...I vote for a return to boobs!:D

Rob:cool:

There's something we could finally agree on.

[SteveMacD]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Intersting. I thought it was because they owned a lot less guns than we do.

Actually, they have more guns, per capita. Hunting is pretty popular up there.

[Rob67]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
There's something we could finally agree on.

boobs ARE bi-partisan!:D

ARob:cool:

[SteveMacD]

Originally posted by dissention
Hmmmm. Canadians aren't violent because they're too busy masturbating to porn at all hours of the day? That's a bit of a stretch.

:laugh: What a great choice of words :laugh:

In all seriousness, I was kidding about that. Still, yes, I'd like the FCC to go away for good. FWIW, the adult programming in Canada is only on after 9:00 or so. It's not all hours of the day (except SexTV).

My point, though, is that what's on television has very little effect on people's behavior. They have as much violent programming and even more sex and language, yet their society is less violent and the birthrate is very low (some say too low).

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Rob67
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.:D :wavey:

Rob:cool:

Ooh. Did you make that one up?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by SteveMacD
Actually, they have more guns, per capita. Hunting is pretty popular up there.

Sorry, I should have clarified-handguns.:)

[dissention]

Originally posted by SteveMacD
:laugh: What a great choice of words :laugh:

In all seriousness, I was kidding about that. Still, yes, I'd like the FCC to go away for good. FWIW, the adult programming in Canada is only on after 9:00 or so. It's not all hours of the day (except SexTV).

I know you were kidding, that's why I worded it the way I did! "Stretch" seemed more vague than, say, "yank." :laugh: :wavey:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Did you see Janet on TV with her statement? She reminds me of her brother Michael sometimes. She looked more like Tammy Faye Baker today however.

[DeeGeMe]

Originally posted by WelshWitchPMD
Did you see Janet on TV with her statement? She reminds me of her brother Michael sometimes. She looked more like Tammy Faye Baker today however.

I heard someone say tonight on TV that it looked like she'd gotten Osama Bin Laden's film crew to tape that video statement. When I saw it, I was just fascinated by how big her eyes appeared to be--looks like an eyebrow lift to me. Plus, I think she's had some botox--that family loves their plastic surgery, don't they?

[Mad4stevie]

And the latest:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by Rob67
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.But people without guns have an awfully tough time throwing the bullets hard enough to do any damage! ;) :lol:

The whole "nipplegate" thing has gotten out of hand... now NBC is making the producers of ER edit out a quick glimpse of an 80 year old woman's breast during tonight's episode; the NFL has blocked JC Chasez from performing during the Pro Bowl halftime show; a CA. high school has backed out of a reality series they had agreed to let MTV film there, because of parents who are angry about the Super Bowl incident; and a Tennessee woman has filed a proposed class action lawsuit, claiming the incident caused viewers to "suffer outrage, anger, embarrassment and serious injury."

More and more, I'm getting embarrassed to be an American.
If we'd actually put all of our energies towards good causes, rather then getting so indignant over a briefly-glimpsed breast, maybe this would be a better country.

We let our children play graphically violent video games, and listen to rap music with misogynistic, violent and homophobic themes... but we get all in a tizzy if they see an exposed body part.
Good to know we have priorities. :rolleyes:

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
and a Tennessee woman has filed a proposed class action lawsuit, claiming the incident caused viewers to "suffer outrage, anger, embarrassment and serious injury."

LMAO!! Serious injury huh? What happened, someone almost killed themselves running to catch a glimpse of her boob? ;)

:lol:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Yeah, what's with only exposing one breast anyway? Two would have been more original.

And three would have been more intriguing.

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
LMAO!! Serious injury huh? What happened, someone almost killed themselves running to catch a glimpse of her boob?

That's not what I was thinking...I could dare go there...but I won't...:laugh:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Much less Bob Dole, the like 75 year old pillar of the right and Viagra spokesperson, last year making a reference to getting sexually excited while watching a barely dressed and barely 21 year old Brittany Spears dance in a Pepsi Commerical :rolleyes: Its all hypocritical IMO :mad:

Forget Tina & Mick. This is the great Rock duo that never was.:rolleyes:

- Jake

[Carolina Girl]

and a Tennessee woman has filed a proposed class action lawsuit, claiming the incident caused viewers to "suffer outrage, anger, embarrassment and serious injury."

This is crazy. I watched the halftime show, and I wasn't even sure I saw her breast. I thought I did, but I wasn't sure until the next day when it was a major news item. The replay and photos available on the Internet might cause outrage, anger, and embarrassment, but the actual incident happened too fast for anyone to see enough to do any harm. If you've looked at the stuff online, that's by choice. Nobody MADE millions of us search it out -- the most searched thing in the history of search engines!! I'm not saying that the performance was acceptable for the mixed audience, I'm just saying that this claim is ridiculous!

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by DeeGeMe
I heard someone say tonight on TV that it looked like she'd gotten Osama Bin Laden's film crew to tape that video statement. When I saw it, I was just fascinated by how big her eyes appeared to be--looks like an eyebrow lift to me. Plus, I think she's had some botox--that family loves their plastic surgery, don't they?

She's had a lot of work done. LaToya's got the nice eyebrow lift going. It looks quite good on her. I'll have to study Janet's now.:laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
She's had a lot of work done. LaToya's got the nice eyebrow lift going. It looks quite good on her. I'll have to study Janet's now.:laugh:

LaToya looks almost human these days. ;)

[sparky]

Originally posted by dissention
LaToya looks almost human these days. ;)

LaToilet looks human ? Surely you jest.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by sparky
LaToilet looks human ? Surely you jest.

She looks about as human as a bug-eyed malnourished fetus in makeup. Which is to say she looks more human than she used to.

- Jake

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
She looks about as human as a bug-eyed malnourished fetus in makeup. Which is to say she looks more human than she used to.

- Jake

LOL!!!

[darklinensuit]

I don't BELIEVE this!:rolleyes:


Woman sues over Janet Jackon's breast
Fri Feb 6, 1:28 PM ET


CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Tennessee woman has filed a class action suit against Janet Jackson and others involved in her breast-baring Super Bowl halftime show, saying millions of people are owed monetary damages for exposure to lewd conduct.


AP Photo
Slideshow: Janet Jackson Halftime Show Causes Stir




The suit, filed earlier this week in federal court in Knoxville, Tennessee, also names pop star Justin Timberlake, who performed with Jackson, CBS Broadcasting, show producer MTV Networks Enterprises, and the parent of those two companies, Viacom.


The action seeks a court order to prevent anything like last Sunday's stunt from being repeated on U.S. network television prior to 10 p.m. local time when children might be watching.


No dollar figure for damages is mentioned in the suit, but it estimates that over 80 million U.S. viewers might be due compensation. CBS has said the game drew an average viewership of just under 89.6 million people. Advertising during the game sold for more than $2 million (1.1 million pounds) a spot.


The suit states that the ultimate compensatory damage figure, should a jury decide to grant damages, should be no higher than what the parties being sued made out of participating in and airing the Super Bowl and its halftime show.


If additional punitive damages are granted, it adds, they should be no higher than the "gross annual revenues of each defendant for the last three years..."


Those figures would probably run into the billions of dollars, according to the Smoking Gun, a Web site that first published the court papers.


During the halftime show Timberlake tore off half of Jackson's black leather bustier, exposing her right breast, while the two were singing a duet.


Jackson took the blame but said "it was not my intention that it go as far as it did."


CBS has already said it would use an "enhanced delay" on its February 8 broadcast of music's Grammy Awards so it can censor both audio and video as needed, and ABC also said it will use a delay on its February 29 broadcast of the Academy Awards (news - web sites).


The suit says the defendants knew the broadcast would be watched by millions of families with children but they "included in the halftime show sexually explicit acts solely designed to garner publicity and ultimately to increase profits for themselves. The suit mentions the breast exposure but also says the show in general contained "other lewd and sexually explicit conduct."


The law firm handling the suit issued a statement on Friday saying that neither the woman who filed it, Terri Carlin, nor her attorney, Wayne Ritchie, would comment. "The issue here is accountability and not more publicity," it said.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I don't BELIEVE this!:rolleyes:


Woman sues over Janet Jackon's breast
Fri Feb 6, 1:28 PM ET


CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Tennessee woman has filed a class action suit against Janet Jackson and others involved in her breast-baring Super Bowl halftime show, saying millions of people are owed monetary damages for exposure to lewd conduct.

The suit, filed earlier this week in federal court in Knoxville, Tennessee, also names pop star Justin Timberlake, who performed with Jackson, CBS Broadcasting, show producer MTV Networks Enterprises, and the parent of those two companies, Viacom.

The action seeks a court order to prevent anything like last Sunday's stunt from being repeated on U.S. network television prior to 10 p.m. local time when children might be watching.

No dollar figure for damages is mentioned in the suit, but it estimates that over 80 million U.S. viewers might be due compensation. CBS has said the game drew an average viewership of just under 89.6 million people. Advertising during the game sold for more than $2 million (1.1 million pounds) a spot.

The suit states that the ultimate compensatory damage figure, should a jury decide to grant damages, should be no higher than what the parties being sued made out of participating in and airing the Super Bowl and its halftime show.

If additional punitive damages are granted, it adds, they should be no higher than the "gross annual revenues of each defendant for the last three years..."

Those figures would probably run into the billions of dollars, according to the Smoking Gun, a Web site that first published the court papers.

During the halftime show Timberlake tore off half of Jackson's black leather bustier, exposing her right breast, while the two were singing a duet.

Jackson took the blame but said "it was not my intention that it go as far as it did."

CBS has already said it would use an "enhanced delay" on its February 8 broadcast of music's Grammy Awards so it can censor both audio and video as needed, and ABC also said it will use a delay on its February 29 broadcast of the Academy Awards (news - web sites).

The suit says the defendants knew the broadcast would be watched by millions of families with children but they "included in the halftime show sexually explicit acts solely designed to garner publicity and ultimately to increase profits for themselves. The suit mentions the breast exposure but also says the show in general contained "other lewd and sexually explicit conduct."

The law firm handling the suit issued a statement on Friday saying that neither the woman who filed it, Terri Carlin, nor her attorney, Wayne Ritchie, would comment. "The issue here is accountability and not more publicity," it said.

Any lawyer who takes on this case should be smacked in the head repeatedly with blunt objects and then forced to listen to Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake's songs on repeat while having their nipples squashed into a metal sun. Seriously. This? Is ridiculous.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
should be smacked in the head repeatedly with blunt objects and then forced to listen to Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake's songs on repeat while having their nipples squashed into a metal sun.

Enough about your fantasies. :rolleyes: :wavey:

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Enough about your fantasies. :rolleyes: :wavey:

- Jake

You mean my reality? Cause you know I always wear suns on my boobs ALL the time. :nod:

You? Are bad. :nod: ;)

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
You mean my reality? Cause you know I always wear suns on my boobs ALL the time. :nod:

That must be why the rest of us need to keep sunglasses on top of our heads ALL the time. Cover up!:laugh:

BTW, nice sig quote, but I think calling them "chicks" gives them too much credit. How about "yogurgeeks"?

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
That must be why the rest of us need to keep sunglasses on top of our heads ALL the time. Cover up!:laugh:

BTW, nice sig quote, but I think calling them "chicks" gives them too much credit. How about "yogurgeeks"?

- Jake


"Said I was gonna put suns away...but I just can't let them goooooo....."

You're absolutely right. Yougurgeeks it is.

"this is like suns on my nipples gooooood..." I might enjoy that commerical more if one of them changed it up Janet style by saying that :laugh: :laugh:

[shackin'up]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
See, I think that if she wanted to expose herself, she should have just walked on already bare-breasted. The exposure doesn't bother me. The fact he pulled it off is what's troubling, only because it was very clearly the depiction of an aggressive act.

Of course, the violence of that action pales in comparison to the violence that happens on the field. And did I mention the commercials?

We are a tasteless culture.

and...to quote an American who fights his own culture:

....and all the world is laughing at you.......