Article from Rollingstone.com that lists what's gonna be on the reissues

[golddustchic]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet but I just got a google news alert article from Rolling Stone about the new reissues and they have what demos/outtakes/alternates are going to be on the albums.

Here's the link:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=19248

[gldstwmn]

The list:

Fleetwood Mac outtakes:

Jam #2
Say You Love Me (Single Version)
Rhiannon (Single Version)
Over My Head (Single Version)
Blue Letter (Single Version)

Rumours demos and outtakes:

Second Hand News
Dreams
Brushes (Never Going Back Again)
Don't Stop
Go Your Own Way
Songbird
Silver Springs
You Make Loving Fun
Gold Dust Woman #1
Oh Daddy
Think About It
Never Going Back Again
Planets of the Universe
Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)
Gold Dust Woman
Doesn't Anything Last
Mic The Screecher
For Duster (The Blues)

Tusk demos and outtakes:

One More Time (Over and Over)
Can't Walk Out of Here (The Ledge)
Think About Me
Sara
Lindsey's Song #1 (I Know I'm Not Wrong)
Storms
Lindsey's Song #2 (That's All for Everyone)
Sisters of the Moon
Out on the Road (That's Enough for Me)
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
Song #1 (I Know I'm Not Wrong)
Honey Hi
Beautiful Child
Song #3 (Walk a Thin Line)
Come On Baby (Never Forget)
Song #1 (I Know I'm Not Wrong)
Kiss and Run
Farmer's Daughter
Think About Me (Single Version)
Sisters of the Moon (Single Version)

[dontlookdown]

That's excellent news. Should make for an interesting spring and summer. New FM music to keep us going!

[greatdarkwing]

We might not have heard a few of those...

~Alex

[Johnny Stew]

Ooh, thanks, Colleen!!! :D

Looks GREAT to me!

I'm a little disappointed, but not at all surprised that they didn't include Stevie songs like "The Dealer," which have never been released in any form... I'm sure those are being "saved" for future recordings, and there's really nothing wrong with that... but it will be VERY cool to have the early version of "Planets Of The Universe!!"

So "Lindsey's Song #1" and "#2" are actually "I Know I'm Not Wrong," and "That's All For Everyone," and "Out On The Road" is actually "That's Enough For Me."
Should be interesting to hear these songs in their embryonic state!

I'm wondering if the bonus "Sara" is what we know as the "cleaning lady demo."

Agh, I'd love to post more thoughts/comments, but my dinner is calling!

[Livia]

Butter Cookie?? LOL That sounds intriguing...can't say I'm terribly excited about the numerous re-releases of all the songs that were included on the original releases - a la the boxed set(yawn).

"Wow, did Mick add a high-hat after that verse? Let's include THAT song, it's SO different than the original."

but it will be VERY cool to have the early version of "Planets Of The Universe!!"

AKA "No Light," the demo most of us have had for years....

[goldie]

lol - I wonder whose song Butter Cookie is? Sounds like maybe Christine.

[greatdarkwing]

I dont see why everyone is not as excited as I am....I mean, we are getting a few never-heard tracks. Maybe if we weren't so spoiled from all the demos out there, then maybe this would be more exciting for alot of people...

~Alex

[goldie]

It just seems that there's not alot that we haven't already heard.....in one form or another. It is still exciting, though. I am excited, can't you tell? lol

[greatdarkwing]

Originally posted by goldie
It just seems that there's not alot that we haven't already heard.....in one form or another. It is still exciting, though. I am excited, can't you tell? lol
:laugh: The expression on your face says it all!:laugh:

~Alex

[coldplay]

Unreal@!!! I'm very excited about the reissues - especially Tusk.

It will be great to have the reissues as we Aussies face withdrawal symptoms.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Butter Cookie (Keep Me There)

Keep Me There is The Chain instrumental, right?

[DownOnRodeo]

Yep. Maybe Butter Cookie (lol I can't get over the name, it sounds so bizarre) was a Christine song that wasn't working out, so taking the lyrics out of that and you're left with that keyboard instrumental, which they decided to use for Stevie's 'Keep Me There' aka 'Write Me a Love Song' lyrics, but then it became clear that those lyrics stank too. I don't know obviously - just a thought. With any luck the booklets that come with the CDs will shed light on the development of some of these songs!

The ones I'm most interested in: 'Mic The Screecher' :confused: and 'One More Time' (Over & Over). :cool:

Good point about Rochelle - I expect we will be having big withdrawls, especially since it sounds the US is gonna get a new setlist for the final leg of the tour. So these reissues and the assorted DVDs will be a treat. :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

In my excitement, I didn't even notice Stevie's "Think About It" on the 'Rumours' bonus disc... that should make Christy VERY happy! :)

And I know we've had the early version of "Planets Of The Universe" for years, but I'm still very excited to have a pristine, digitally remastered, 1st generation copy of it on CD.
Same with "Think About It," and the various alternate takes & mixes.

In all fairness, there really can't be much left for them to release that we haven't already heard.
One could argue that it's their fault for not having released these things sooner, but one could also argue that it's our fault for seeking out and/or purchasing bootleg material in the first place.

This is stuff that we weren't meant to have heard before now, and it's sort of like sneaking into your parents' closet and getting an early peek at your Christmas gifts.
If the surprise is gone, we really don't have anyone to blame but ourselves.

Regardless, I'm still stoked! :D

[chiliD]

I'm actually a bit surprised at the lack of bonus material from the Fleetwood Mac album. I would think there would've been more than just one jam & the single mixes. (hint: um, guys, what about a LIVE track or two? Maybe?)

[Mad4stevie]

Can't wait to hear the early "Planets". Do you really think it is the piano demo referred to as "No Light"? Or do you think it is another demo/outtake entirely?

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by chiliD
I'm actually a bit surprised at the lack of bonus material from the Fleetwood Mac album. I would think there would've been more than just one jam & the single mixes. (hint: um, guys, what about a LIVE track or two? Maybe?) I was pretty surprised by that too, chili.
No "I'm So Afraid" or "Rhiannon" that continued beyond where the album versions faded? Or "World Turning?"

If those are out there, surely a lack of space shouldn't have prevented them from being included, when the remastered 'Fleetwood Mac' will probably have a running time of only about 55 minutes.

But I'm hoping the lack of live versions on these discs means that 'Fleetwood Mac Live' will also get the remastered treatment, with a healthy dose of extra live cuts from that era.
As great as it is, it's sorely lacking "The Chain," "Angel," "What Makes You Think You're The One," and not just a few others.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Can't wait to hear the early "Planets". Do you really think it is the piano demo referred to as "No Light"? Or do you think it is another demo/outtake entirely? I actually have a feeling that it might be an outtake version that Fleetwood Mac worked on, rather than the "Stevie alone at the piano" version we've all heard... but I have no reason to believe that, other than speculation.

In other words, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. :)

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I actually have a feeling that it might be an outtake version that Fleetwood Mac worked on, rather than the "Stevie alone at the piano" version we've all heard... but I have no reason to believe that, other than speculation.

In other words, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. :)

It would seem kinda weird to put out a piano only demo - so I am hoping for a version that has some extra instrumentation and vocals (*keeps fingers crossed*).

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
In my excitement, I didn't even notice Stevie's "Think About It" on the 'Rumours' bonus disc... that should make Christy VERY happy! :)

Ecstatic. :rolleyes:

LMAO!!

I'm very excited about ALL the songs!! Is it March yet?! ;)

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
But I'm hoping the lack of live versions on these discs means that 'Fleetwood Mac Live' will also get the remastered treatment, with a healthy dose of extra live cuts from that era.
As great as it is, it's sorely lacking "The Chain," "Angel," "What Makes You Think You're The One," and not just a few others.

And SOTM dad gummit!!! :mad:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Ecstatic. :rolleyes:Oops... did I remember wrong?
I thought you were a big fan of the Mac version, but just didn't like Stevie's solo version. *blushes*

[wondergirl9847]

Nah, I just don't particularly care for any version of the song. I wish The Dealer had taken it's place on Belladonna. I'm bitter about that. :laugh: It's my fave demo. :)

[sparky]

BUTTER COOKIE ????

I am holding out for Fig Newton, or if I am really lucky, Coconut Macaroon....

[Johnny Stew]

Well, Sparky... rumour has it that the eventual remastering of 'Say You Will,' will include an abandoned Lindsey ditty, titled "Wheat Thins (Keep Me Here)." :D

[diamondsnake]

I'm excited! As a relatively new fan (only a few years) I have not heard most of the demos and outtakes.

However, I wish a new album would come out to go along with the new tour this summer. They could prob. take all the rejects from SYW (when they had to cut it down to one cd), do a couple of old songs that were written years ago (How about Christian, Stevie?), and throw in some new material that I am sure they have been working on this tour and viola- a new Mac album!

Also, while they are doing all these remasters, why didn't they do Buckingham Nicks, also?

[GardenStateGirlie]

I am SUPER STOKED for this!!!!! I truly do hope POTU is a version we've not yet heard. Regardless, I'm happy with what we're getting :nod: Fleetwood Mac...ya done good :nod:

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by Livia
[B]
"Wow, did Mick add a high-hat after that verse? Let's include THAT song, it's SO different than the original."


lol! So true. Oh well, I'll take what I can get.

[littlelies7]

I'm excited! Even though the tracks aren't what we all expected, but, it's still all good! :nod:

~~

Now, Rhino... let's talk about Mirage and TITN... ;)

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Well, Sparky... rumour has it that the eventual remastering of 'Say You Will,' will include an abandoned Lindsey ditty, titled "Wheat Thins (Keep Me Here)." :D

lol!!

[sorcerer0078]

If March 23rd is the release date, i'm assuming that us Aussies will have to wait a futher 2-4 weeks for the Australian release?

Although many of us have already collected plenty of demos & Outtakes from these albums, i'm sure they would have already taken this into account to some extent...as most of us would be very dissapointed if we were buying cds containing identical Outtakes & Demos that we have already collected over the years (although sound quality would be much better).

Here's hoping that the Rumours & Tusk reissues will contain versions of these songs that haven't been circulated!!

:)

[stevierocks87]

I, for one, am super-stoked about the tracklists, they are INCREDIBLE :D I've only had the Rumours version of Think About It for a few months, and was completely blown away by it...it totally rocks! Now everyone will get to hear it in it's original (AND BEST!) form. Plus, I have NEVER heard of:

Jam #2
Doesn't Anything Last
Mic The Screecher
For Duster (The Blues)
Kiss and Run

So, considering the un-ending amount of demos and alt. versions that we already have, I think its something that there are any "new songs" at all. Yes, there are a few disappointments, like no live versions (but like someone said, maybe this means an expended Fleetwood Mac Live set!!), no "Beauty and the Beast" (which I still haven't heard...is it really very good?), and some other omissions, but all things considered, this is just awesome.

Not many bands, when rereleasing old material, include this much bonus stuff. It is SO wonderfully un-Fleetwood Mac-ish and hopefully will start a new trend...continuing with a fresh setlist for the US tour!

So.......Wow :D

:wavey: adam :wavey:

[sodascouts]

I think Rumours Think About It is far superior to Stevie's! I'm totally excited it's on here. :)

[estranged4life]

to compare the Tusk bonus tracks with the cd's of the Tusk Reels I have...Should be an interesting release.


Brian j.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by sodascouts
I think Rumours Think About It is far superior to Stevie's! I'm totally excited it's on here. :)

Yes, I totally agree! :nod: :nod:

Can't wait to hear it :)

[Lala]

*drool*

I can't wait...except I imagine with all this bonus material these things will be a little on the expensive side.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by Lala
*drool*

I can't wait...except I imagine with all this bonus material these things will be a little on the expensive side.

Well we have a couple months to save up. Let's see... lawn mowing, bake sales, baby sitting, busing tables- oh the glamorous life of an American teen.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by sodascouts
I think Rumours Think About It is far superior to Stevie's! I'm totally excited it's on here. :)

Really? I haven't heard this version yet. I am excited! Think About It is one of my favorite Stevie Solo songs and my very favorite from Bella Donna.

[shackin'up]

....can't stand it....only three extra versions of I Know I'm Not Wrong.....:eek: :D

gerald

[macfan 57]

These bonus tracks look pretty good! There are even a few new songs I've never heard. The only thing I'm a little surprised about is that there aren't any live tracks. Hopefully, the Live album will be GREATLY expanded. There were ALOT of songs that didn't make it onto that album. I'm also looking forward to the DVD-Audio versions of the White Album & Tusk, hopefully later in the spring.

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by shackin'up
....can't stand it....only three extra versions of I Know I'm Not Wrong.....:eek: :D

;)
But it's great hey! I Know I'm Not Wrong is just one of the most awesome songs, and to think it beat out all the rest of this prime BNFM catalogue as the one warranting the most versions is so gratifying, for a big fan of this song. If there's three separate versions I'm guessing each will be very different indeed - hopefully showing a lot about the different stages of the song!


Sorcerer0078 (sorry, I've forgotten your name - Patrick is it??) - Yep, I think its a minimum 2 week delay. I seem to recall that the VBoFM was two weeks. I forget about SYW.

[Lala]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Well we have a couple months to save up. Let's see... lawn mowing, bake sales, baby sitting, busing tables- oh the glamorous life of an American teen.

Unfortunately...I am a Canadian teen :D

[skcin]

Originally posted by sparky
BUTTER COOKIE ????

I am holding out for Fig Newton, or if I am really lucky, Coconut Macaroon....

LOL!

I am pretty excited about this - just the fact that we can't be 100% positive that these outtakes are the versions we've already heard is enough to make me curious/happy/thrilled. Ooooooh the anticipation!

Paula

PS - I too am betting it's a different POTU than the piano demo - it's just a feeling...

[CarneVaca]

I don't know what I was thinking in hoping we'd get something truly extraordinary, but this is somewhat disappointing. I don't particularly care to have three or four versions of the same songs. I would have rather gotten more unreased stuff. Be that as it may, as of now it doesn't look like Fleetwood Mac is worth it, but Rumours and Tusk are just this side of being worth it.

[shackin'up]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
;)
But it's great hey! I Know I'm Not Wrong is just one of the most awesome songs, and to think it beat out all the rest of this prime BNFM catalogue as the one warranting the most versions is so gratifying, for a big fan of this song. If there's three separate versions I'm guessing each will be very different indeed - hopefully showing a lot about the different stages of the song!


Yes I know, I'm actually very excited about this, because I think it's the best thing they ever recorded. But I think that we know two of them already: the vinyl and the cd-versions. So that means two more work-in progress-versions hopefully.

Have you made your I know I'm Not Wrong- t-shirt already? I'd like one, especially funny for a teacher.:laugh:

Maybe on the back: Not that Funny....

gerald

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by shackin'up

Have you made your I know I'm Not Wrong- t-shirt already? I'd like one, especially funny for a teacher.:laugh:

Maybe on the back: Not that Funny....

gerald

Well, I don't know about this T-shirt business, but whenever my class meets in the computer lab I project on the wall my Fleetwood Mac wallpapers, lol. Of course eventually I have to use the projector for lessons, SIGH, but any time they have to do some work that doesn't require referencing the projection, it gets minimized back to display Fleetwood Mac! lol

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by sparky
BUTTER COOKIE ????

I am holding out for Fig Newton, or if I am really lucky, Coconut Macaroon....

:laugh:

Maybe that was LB's pet name for La Nicks - "Come here my little butter cookie" :cool:

[joe]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
it's sort of like sneaking into your parents' closet and getting an early peek at your Christmas gifts.
:D

more like, getting an early peek at what you assume are YOUR Christmas gifts (that you weren't supposed to see) and then at Christmas you open your presents only to find that the gifts you saw aren't even there!

your parents returned them! or they were for your cousins!

[littlelies7]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:laugh:

Maybe that was LB's pet name for La Nicks - "Come here my little butter cookie" :cool:

I would hate to be referred to as a food item. It sounds insulting. Now, a pet name like "Carnation", a flower... that's different... :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

My little asparagus. Now, try to convince me that's not romantic!?

LMAO!! I'm kidding.

Anyone remember when Niles was trying to come up with pet names for Daphne on Frasier and she hated them all? LOL Finally, he goes "my love" and she goes "That's it." Awww...LOL

[greatdarkwing]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:laugh:

Maybe that was LB's pet name for La Nicks - "Come here my little butter cookie" :cool:

Mmmmmmm...butter cookie (salivates)

~Alex

[dissention]

Besides for the White Album, these sound pretty good.

I can't wait! :D

[marc402]

I must say i love all of the tracklisting
It's gonna be an even longer 2 months now :( ;)
I love hearing alternate versions of don't stop and go your own way. (the later i have in a million difirent live versions but no demo or outtake yet)
On tusk sisters alone is enough for me as it remains my alltime fav song , wonder what version it is
Kinda cool that now we still have something to speculate and discuss about till that great day in march arives.
I will definately be getting the White album too.
I'm very curious about this jam track !!
Would have also got it if it only had the single versions (hell would even have picked it up bare bones :p )

As i said it is gonna be a long wait hehe

greetings marc

[Johnny Stew]

So much stuff to take in, and more comments to make....

I just realized there isn't a bonus version of "Tusk."
That's kind of disappointing, because there's a really terrific alternate version on the bootleg CD 'Ivory: The Tusk Outtakes,' that blows the album version out of the water (different from the alternate mix they used on '25 Years - The Chain').
Oh well!

In regards to "Silver Springs" on the bonus disc... I'm wondering if they added a version of "Silver Springs" to the main disc, and this is a bonus alternate version. Or if this is the one and only version of "Silver Springs" they used.
There are so many alternate versions of that song, they could have easily added more than one.

Oh, and add me to the list of people who love "I Know I'm Not Wrong." :D

[CarneVaca]

Ton ta ton ta ton ta
Ton ta ton ta-da-tah-ta

[marc402]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Oh, and add me to the list of people who love "I Know I'm Not Wrong." :D

I never noticed this before (for shame) but in my defence i haven't played the vinyl that much (and when i first got it i was not that familiar with the album ;)
however i just put it on and already had the cd ready to compare
but this was by no means nesecary as it was as clear as can be
I agree with you who A. say they love this song (wich i already did) and B. prefer the vinyl version instead of the cd version.
Makes me wonder why they put an alternate version on to begin with as if the editing of sara wasn't bad enough :(

greetings marc

[CarneVaca]

Dude, I've never had the vinyl version. What's different?

[chiliD]

Other than the lyrics & the chord changes, EVERYTHING. The kitchy harmonica riff is mixed well in the background on the vinyl version, there's little background vocals. The LP version kicks more ass than the CD version.

[Johnny Stew]

I have to say, the CD mix is nifty in its own way, but the LP version is SO MUCH better.

Never did understand why they changed it. Did someone just goof and use the wrong mix when mastering the CD, or was it intentional?
Same with the different versions of "Straight Back" between the LP and CD of 'Mirage.'

(I realized today how greedy I am... these remasters aren't even released yet, and I'm already wondering how long we'll have to wait before we get 'Live,' 'Mirage,' and 'Tango.')

[chiliD]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
(I realized today how greedy I am... these remasters aren't even released yet, and I'm already wondering how long we'll have to wait before we get 'Live,' 'Mirage,' and 'Tango.')

Your greediness isn't even on the radar...they haven't even gotten the first round of the "Rumours era", and I'm drooling for..

Then Play On
Kiln House
Future Games
Bare Trees
Penguin
Mystery To Me
Heroes Are Hard To Find
Behind The Mask
Time

and, eventually the full version of Say You Will


C'mon, Rhino, just release 'em ALL at the same time!!!!

[princessblair]

I agree with whoever mentioned a Buckingham Nicks reissue. We've been waiting for that for years! I've always thought that Stevie and Lindsey should release Buckingham Nicks plus a few new songs and bonus tracks as one big package. I'd definitely be ecstatic to get that for Christmas :)

[Johnny Stew]

It seems that Rhino is working towards the goal of remastering and releasing 'Buckingham Nicks' on CD, sometime in the near future, but David McLees (Rhino's vice-president of Artists & Repertoire) has said that there are "several rights issues" that would need to be worked out, before they can.

So basically, we need to just all cross our fingers!

[wondergirl9847]

That was a TERRIFIC story!! Thanks for sharing that!! I could just picture this young guy on a bike, riding like crazy to get home to listen to Tusk. :)

Yep, Tusk is greatness! :nod:

[dissention]

Originally posted by chiliD
and, eventually the full version of Say You Will

I'll never understand why they didn't just release the leftover tracks on the limited edition package. It mystifies me.

[BigAl84]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I don't know what I was thinking in hoping we'd get something truly extraordinary, but this is somewhat disappointing. I don't particularly care to have three or four versions of the same songs. I would have rather gotten more unreased stuff. Be that as it may, as of now it doesn't look like Fleetwood Mac is worth it, but Rumours and Tusk are just this side of being worth it.


oh OF COURSE your dissapointed, it wouldnt be a new mac release without your whining to accompany it. Try concidering some of the positive things?...for example, all these demos will be much better quality than what we have our hands on. How extraordinary did you expect it to be? Usually I wouldn't even addressing this...but your moaning made it just this side of being worth saying something.

Yeh this band has screwed up, screwed over, or been a bit late getting on the ball, but have you ever tried just taking what you can get and being thankfull for what is available instead of just pissing and moaning about it?

[markolas]

Looks good to me. I wasn't really expecting them to release much in the way of Stevie's demos, but I'm glad we're getting "Think About It" and "Planets of the Universe." My only beef is that they didn't include "The Tower" and the Tusk version of "Smile at You." Since both of them have already been released on Say You Will in "official" versions, I can't see why they wouldn't have just given us the demos.

I'm honestly glad that they didn't just pack these with Stevie demos, to the exclusion of Lindsey's and Christine's stuff. I'm interested in hearing their outtakes, too.

[dissention]

Originally posted by BigAl84
oh OF COURSE your dissapointed, it wouldnt be a new mac release without your whining to accompany it. Try concidering some of the positive things?...for example, all these demos will be much better quality than what we have our hands on. How extraordinary did you expect it to be? Usually I wouldn't even addressing this...but your moaning made it just this side of being worth saying something.

Yeh this band has screwed up, screwed over, or been a bit late getting on the ball, but have you ever tried just taking what you can get and being thankfull for what is available instead of just pissing and moaning about it?

Positive? Like your post? Practice what you preach.

I'm rather surprised at some the stuff they are offering up (the band jam, the unknown demos, POTU), but they could've done a helluva lot better. Single mixes and numerous demos of the same songs? Pffft. I already have those things (most of the mixes have already been released), why plunk down more cash for it? To support the band? Yeah, sure, I'd love to contribute to Stevie's redecorating. I hear that this year she's going for the French country look with just a smidgen of a dark, leather bar look to it. And Lindsey's kids need someone to pay for their dental insurance.

[dissention]

Originally posted by markolas
Looks good to me. I wasn't really expecting them to release much in the way of Stevie's demos, but I'm glad we're getting "Think About It" and "Planets of the Universe." My only beef is that they didn't include "The Tower" and the Tusk version of "Smile at You." Since both of them have already been released on Say You Will in "official" versions, I can't see why they wouldn't have just given us the demos.

I'm honestly glad that they didn't just pack these with Stevie demos, to the exclusion of Lindsey's and Christine's stuff. I'm interested in hearing their outtakes, too.

You know, I have a feeling that POTU will be something we haven't heard before. I think it'll be a band version, NOT an annoying piano demo. :nod:

[Jason T.]

"Butter Cookie"? Sounds very Christine, hopefully it is. I've been denied new Songbird material for too long. The single version of "Blue Letter" is something I'm looking forward to as well -- I love that song!

One thing I was wondering about was...why all the "I Know I'm Not Wrong" numerical listings. I mean, why are they labeled that way? I just found it odd that there is the same song listing twice. Almost as if there is something not accurate about this list. I don't care...I got my demo version of "Brown Eyes," so I'm happy!!! :D

[BigAl84]

Practice what I preach? I did. I was just pointing out that there are good things and bad things. It dosn't mean I was contradicting myself.

You say they could do a helluvalot better...based on what? None of us know for a fact what they have left on the demo reels. Sure stuff leaks out but thats not to mean it still exists on the tapes 20 years later, **** gets lost. None of us knows exactly what is on the original studio reels. You don't even know for sure what these demos will even sound like or what alternate takes they are going to be..yet you have already written them off. The bottom line is...its not possibly for a whole disc of demos to be released without some songs we've already heard of. As fans, we've heard mountains of material. If they had a bonus with only 4 unknown tracks...people would bitch they didn't release more a bigger bonus disc.

[Jason T.]

Originally posted by dissention
Positive? Like your post? Practice what you preach.

Can't we all just get along in this time of celebration that they finally gave us something interesting to look forward to?

[BigAl84]

Originally posted by Jason T.
Can't we all just get along in this time of celebration that they finally gave us something interesting to look forward to?


You know, I totally agree. I don't even want to get into any arguments. I'm really looking forward to this and hearing all the new stuff and I enjoyed this thread because everyone was excited about it. ... then you get to CarnaVeca's post and its totally as expected. I'm not saying anything more about this because I don't want to break up this thread.

[dissention]

Originally posted by BigAl84
Practice what I preach? I did. I was just pointing out that there are good things and bad things. It dosn't mean I was contradicting myself.

You say they could do a helluvalot better...based on what? None of us know for a fact what they have left on the demo reels. Sure stuff leaks out but thats not to mean it still exists on the tapes 20 years later, **** gets lost. None of us knows exactly what is on the original studio reels. You don't even know for sure what these demos will even sound like or what alternate takes they are going to be..yet you have already written them off. The bottom line is...its not possibly for a whole disc of demos to be released without some songs we've already heard of. As fans, we've heard mountains of material. If they had a bonus with only 4 unknown tracks...people would bitch they didn't release more a bigger bonus disc.

No, you took the time to point out negativity and perpetuated it by doing so.

The point is: why do we need numerous versions of *one*song? Why not give us some variety? Is it that they only have five versions of one song in the vaults? C'mon, that argument don't fly here.

And, yes, I would bitch if I shelled out $20 for a two-disc set and it only had a 4 song bonus; it's a rip. But, alas, I pre-ordered the limited edition SYW before the tracklistings were available. Otherwise, I would've shied away from the crap that is Not Make Believe and those crappy live versions.

[Johnny Stew]

(Second time today....)

Several people have expressed a disappointment in the bonus track selections, so no one should be singled out for this opinion.

Please refrain from personal jabs... we're all entitled to our opinions, pro or con.


Thank you.

[BigAl84]

so its okay for you or carnavaca to be negative...but for me to point that out...i'm being contradictory? I'm not even going to get into this. I'm not in the mood for a classic ledge style pissing match. Just don't buy the dam remasters

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
The point is: why do we need numerous versions of *one*song? Why not give us some variety? Is it that they only have five versions of one song in the vaults? C'mon, that argument don't fly here.Being a completist, I like having as many different versions of these songs as there are to have.
If they have four versions of "I Know I'm Not Wrong" or three versions of "Gold Dust Woman" in the vaults, then I want them.

They've included alternate versions of many different tracks, and a nice smattering of rare demos... I think that's a pretty decent amount of variety, even if a few songs are presented in a couple different versions.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Being a completist, I like having as many different versions of these songs as there are to have.
If they have four versions of "I Know I'm Not Wrong" or three versions of "Gold Dust Woman" in the vaults, then I want them.

They've included alternate versions of many different tracks, and a nice smattering of rare demos... I think that's a pretty decent amount of variety, even if a few songs are presented in a couple different versions.

Oh, I'm going to buy them just on the off chance that some of the demos that we think we've heard might be completely different. I just think they could've cooled off on the repeat demos and alt. versions.

I mean, wouldn't you be a bit disappointed if all 21 extras were of I Know I'm Not Wrong? I certainly would! :laugh:

[Jason T.]

You know, I'm kind of disappointed in the fact that a song like "I Know I'm Not Wrong" got that many slots. Not to offend those that do love it, because I wouldn't want to rain on y'all's parade.

Though I have to admit -- if I had chose the songs -- there would be like five versions of "Brown Eyes," two of "Never Forget," and about three for "What Makes You Think You're the One."

...wouldn't you be a bit disappointed if all 21 extras were of I Know I'm Not Wrong?

Let's all be thankful that didn't happen. I would of stopped being a fan right then and there. I'm pretty happy with what was included though.

[Johnny Stew]

Well, personally... and as much as I love "I Know I'm Not Wrong"... I'll admit that I would have left one of those versions off, for the alternate "Tusk" that I mentioned earlier (for example).

But it's not enough to dampen my enjoyment and excitement over these. :)

[chiliD]

I would think that if they included that many versions, they must be significantly different from each other, or they wouldn't have.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by chiliD
I would think that if they included that many versions, they must be significantly different from each other, or they wouldn't have. That's what I'm thinking too... that there's a very valid reason why they included so many versions of it.
Still, I would have loved to have had that "Tusk"... but maybe, in the long run, I'll be even happier to have these. :)

[estranged4life]

I will be glad to have it just to have some of the demos (Possibly in circulation now) in a better overall sound quality...

And to compare 'em of course to the ones I already own :laugh:

Brian j.

[DownOnRodeo]

Dissention - Leave NMB out of this! :laugh:

On the 'I Know I'm Not Wrong ' front, I agree with ChiliD that each version will be of very different stages in the song's evolution. You will note that there's no demo or outtake for 'not That Funny'. As we all know, these two songs are extremely similar in different ways (both in C, both with similar chord progression and rhythm, they even share a verse). My guess is that the first 'I Know I'm Not Wrong' track is in fact an embryonic 'seed' song which diverged from that point into the two different songs. So I wager that the second one will be more like 'Not That Funny' and the last will be more like 'I Know I'm Not Wrong'.

Just a guess though. As someone has justifably said, there could have been some minor errors in the transcription of this track listing.

[DownOnRodeo]

JS - What 'Tusk' version are you guys talking about? Not the alternate one from The Chain box set?

[markolas]

Originally posted by dissention
You know, I have a feeling that POTU will be something we haven't heard before. I think it'll be a band version, NOT an annoying piano demo. :nod:

I kind of liked the piano demo, so I wouldn't mind if that's what turns out to be on the CD (It still kills me that the "You will remember, but I will die a slow death" part was cut from the TISL version).

However, a full-band version of this song would rock my socks.

[David]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
On the 'I Know I'm Not Wrong ' front, I agree with ChiliD that each version will be of very different stages in the song's evolution. You will note that there's no demo or outtake for 'not That Funny'. There are three or four early takes of "Not That Funny" out there, but they're all very close to the final work.

I wonder whether the "Over & Over" on the remaster is the one with Christine singing "Do-wop, do-waddy-waddy/Do-wop, do-waddy-waddy" during the intro.

[goldie]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Nah, I just don't particularly care for any version of the song. I wish The Dealer had taken it's place on Belladonna. I'm bitter about that. :laugh: It's my fave demo. :)

Ditto for me. Any version of The Dealer rocks, in my opinion!!

[face of glass]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Never did understand why they changed it. Did someone just goof and use the wrong mix when mastering the CD, or was it intentional?
Same with the different versions of "Straight Back" between the LP and CD of 'Mirage.'

That could be Ken Caillat's dissatisfaction with the way the songs eventually turned out. He's supposed to still have some ire towards the recording of Tusk and Lindsey's "dominance". But then again, he couldn't remember the actual reasons behind these mixes in his Q&A either.

[marc402]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I have to say, the CD mix is nifty in its own way, but the LP version is SO MUCH better.

Never did understand why they changed it. Did someone just goof and use the wrong mix when mastering the CD, or was it intentional?
Same with the different versions of "Straight Back" between the LP and CD of 'Mirage.'

(I realized today how greedy I am... these remasters aren't even released yet, and I'm already wondering how long we'll have to wait before we get 'Live,' 'Mirage,' and 'Tango.')

I know what you mean with the greedy bit
It happens to me all the time aah what can you do about it hehe

I did not know about straight back (as i did not know about i know i'm not wrong) must say this time it took me longer to notice the difirence. Put in the lp first to notice if i would notice right away like i did with I know i'm not wrong. But did not at first.
so i put in both the lp and the cd and listened to 10 seconds of one and then 10 of the other and compared that way trough the song.
Now the difirence i have noticed is on the cd versions there are some overdubs on stevie's vocals singing back to herself as i call it that wasn't on the lp
and the guitar part at the ending of the song.

Did I miss anything ??

greetings Marc

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by chiliD
Other than the lyrics & the chord changes, EVERYTHING. The kitchy harmonica riff is mixed well in the background on the vinyl version, there's little background vocals. The LP version kicks more ass than the CD version.

Huh.... I was not aware of that. Perhaps this is one of the versions that will be released. I'm always up for kicking more ass...;)

[CarneVaca]

Wait a minute! So the vinyl would be the same version that was on the tape, which is what I had before the CD. Problem is I simply don't remember it.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by BigAl84
oh OF COURSE your dissapointed, it wouldnt be a new mac release without your whining to accompany it. Try concidering some of the positive things?...for example, all these demos will be much better quality than what we have our hands on. How extraordinary did you expect it to be? Usually I wouldn't even addressing this...but your moaning made it just this side of being worth saying something.

Yeh this band has screwed up, screwed over, or been a bit late getting on the ball, but have you ever tried just taking what you can get and being thankfull for what is available instead of just pissing and moaning about it?

Negative!!?? Tsk tsk. I was being kind. If you're offended by what I wrote, had you read what I really think, you would have recoiled in sheer horror and run off so fast trying not to look back for fear of turning into a vinyl replica of yourself. :laugh:

A little advice, BigAl: Don't worry so much about what I think. What you think and how you feel about it should be enough for you. No?

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Wait a minute! So the vinyl would be the same version that was on the tape, which is what I had before the CD. Problem is I simply don't remember it.

the audio cassette has the same mix as the LP. For some reason the audio cassette has a better, but yet different sound to my ears.

So I am sure it is the same mix.

Brian j.

[marc402]

Originally posted by estranged4life
the audio cassette has the same mix as the LP. For some reason the audio cassette has a better, but yet different sound to my ears.

So I am sure it is the same mix.

Brian j.

Are you refering to straight back or i know i'm not wrong?
and if you only are refering to one of em what's the case with the other one on tape ?

greetings marc

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by marc402
Are you refering to straight back or i know i'm not wrong?
and if you only are refering to one of em what's the case with the other one on tape ?

greetings marc

I am talking about the Tusk album overall sounds much better to me on audio cassette than it currently does on compact disc.

The mix of "I Know I'm Not Wrong" is of a much better sound quality on the cassette than the cd...As is the mix for "Straight Back".

I should locate an "audiophile" who can burn a pristine version of the vinyl version of the Tusk album straight to cd for comparison to the current cd version (This has been successfully done with the Beatles' MFSL LP releases) like what has been done with the MFSL version of "Rumours"

Brian j.

[marc402]

Originally posted by estranged4life
I am talking about the Tusk album overall sounds much better to me on audio cassette than it currently does on compact disc.

The mix of "I Know I'm Not Wrong" is of a much better sound quality on the cassette than the cd...As is the mix for "Straight Back".

I should locate an "audiophile" who can burn a pristine version of the vinyl version of the Tusk album straight to cd for comparison to the current cd version (This has been successfully done with the Beatles' MFSL LP releases) like what has been done with the MFSL version of "Rumours"

Brian j.

exuse my ignorance on this but what does MFSL stand for ?

greetings marc

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by marc402
exuse my ignorance on this but what does MFSL stand for ?

greetings marc

MFSL is Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, Who have, In the past, released GREAT "premium" vinyl versions of classic albums by the Beatles, Pink Floyd and Fleetwood Mac.

Brian j.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by estranged4life
I am talking about the Tusk album overall sounds much better to me on audio cassette than it currently does on compact disc.

The mix of "I Know I'm Not Wrong" is of a much better sound quality on the cassette than the cd...As is the mix for "Straight Back".

I should locate an "audiophile" who can burn a pristine version of the vinyl version of the Tusk album straight to cd for comparison to the current cd version (This has been successfully done with the Beatles' MFSL LP releases) like what has been done with the MFSL version of "Rumours"

Brian j.

I'm going to try to dig up my Tusk tape now, if I still have it. I do recall that from song to song, the sound quality on the tape was different. That is the main reason I was very happy when I got the CD, though I didn't like the shorter Sara.

[marc402]

Originally posted by estranged4life
MFSL is Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, Who have, In the past, released GREAT "premium" vinyl versions of classic albums by the Beatles, Pink Floyd and Fleetwood Mac.

Brian j.

great thanx i think i have sen them sometimes
was the other side of the mirror among them aswell
i'm sure i saw an expensive reisue of that

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CarneVaca
I'm going to try to dig up my Tusk tape now, if I still have it. I do recall that from song to song, the sound quality on the tape was different. That is the main reason I was very happy when I got the CD, though I didn't like the shorter Sara. [/QUOTE

I want those tapes too :(

only have rumours, tango, greatest hits and behind the maskl on tape.
But atleast i have the rumours album era (and most before aswell) on vinyl too ;)
Good luck digging up the tape :)

greetings marc

[Cammie]

:laugh: TUSK on Vinyl:):cool:with Butter Cookies!!!:]
Vinyl has a softer...nicer analogue nuance
that just... lulls you right into the mood of
the tunes!!!:)Great Music...The Notes that
are apparent and The Notes left out to give
space to absorb the message!CD's(some-
times) are too pristine and too perfect!!!:eek:

Just be HAPPY the MAC is DOIN' IT!!! Sky:laugh:

:]Where did I hide those Butter Cookies?:]

[DestinyRules]

Butter Cookie? Where's that laughing icon when you need it? ;)

All in all, it'll be cool to have these, but I think the band could have done a LOT better with their choices. Then again, maybe Stevie's waiting to release more of her demos/outtakes for later solo albums/FM records.

BTW, Joe, I wouldn't fret too much about us Yanks getting a new set list. They may add one or two more songs and move one or two songs around. It's not like Fleetwood Mac would ever be SPONTANEOUS or anything!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by DestinyRules
Butter Cookie? Where's that laughing icon when you need it? ;)Actually, it's not as weird a title as a lot of folks think it is. When Paul McCartney was first writing the beautiful "Yesterday," he was calling the tune, "Scrambled Eggs!"

[joe]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Actually, it's not as weird a title as a lot of folks think it is. When Paul McCartney was first writing the beautiful "Yesterday," he was calling the tune, "Scrambled Eggs!"

Sometimes the working title of a song has nothing to do with the lyrics at all....it's just a way to remember the tune. I have so many demos of my own that have no names...it's kind of hard to remember a piece of music as "track 12" or "demo #43". I have a piece of music that sounds country but there's a punkish quality to it also. Hence, i named it "country punk." Now, the tune comes to me instantly when i think of that name.

Anyway.....maybe Paul wrote "yesterday" over breakfast....or, maybe there was an overabundance of butter cookies when "keep me there" ("by the butter cookies, cause i got the munchies big time!") was written....

[CarneVaca]

Paul woke up with the melody in his head and started singing "scramble eggs." At least that is what I remember of the story.

[Johnny Stew]

Yep, and I believe he has said that the full words he was ad-libbing to the melody were, "scrambled eggs... oh, baby, how I love your legs."


Like Joe said, it's just a little way for them to keep the melody in their head, or to differentiate between works-in-progress (rather than calling something "Jam #237")... so "Butter Cookie" isn't all that bizarre when ya think about it! :)

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by goldie
lol - I wonder whose song Butter Cookie is? Sounds like maybe Christine.

Who knows. What I do know is it sounds like someone gave up in the creativity-of-naming-songs department

[DownOnRodeo]

Sounds like the sequel to Sugar Daddy to me.

"Well I need a butter cookie..."

[marc402]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Sounds like the sequel to Sugar Daddy to me.

"Well I need a butter cookie..."

lol now i will never listen to sugar daddy in the same way again :p

greetings marc

[David R]

I am glad to get anything "new" by Fleetwood Mac, I would buy 21 different mixes of "I know i'm not wrong" and 21 mixes of "Not Make Believe", why? Besides the fact that I like both songs, Fleetwood Mac is my favorite band, and I want all the mixes and songs I can get.

Digital technology has come along way since the last remastering of the current FM cd's on the market. So we should have "better sounding" copies of "FM" "Rumours" and my favorite "Tusk"... I am really happy and excited by these releases, I would buy them even without the extra material, I have already scratched up my cds of these albums, I do have them on my computer but that's different. These extras look great, they should all be excellent quality I hope. Also isn't the original album(lp) artwork and new photos suppose to be released with it? Anyways, I will be buying these re-releases the day they come out, hopefully I will have the money by then, heh...

[blinker12]

Hey, keep in mind that some of these tracks may NOT be the versions we've been hearing for years. They may actually be versions we've never heard before.
Take "Planets of the Universe," for example. I remember reading an interview around the time of TISL where Stevie said Lindsey had worked on that song several times in the 1970s but had never come up with a version that he found satisfactory, and that he applauded John Shanks for his work. That indicates to me that Lindsey may have produced a couple versions of this song... one of which we may be getting.
Anyway, I for one am very excited by these releases. We're finally getting the stuff that should have been on that sorry excuse for a box set back in 1992. :)

[joe]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Sounds like the sequel to Sugar Daddy to me.

"Well I need a butter cookie..."


:laugh:

or...how about "monday morning":

"butter cookie you sure looked fine..."

[DestinyRules]

Originally posted by joe
:laugh:

or...how about "monday morning":

"butter cookie you sure looked fine..."

Or what about "Rock on Butter Cookie..."

:lol:

[Villavic]

I would be dissapointed if I buy those new CDs and find that those "new" releases are actually the SAY YOU LOVE ME, TUSK song or GOLD DUST WOMAN (..etc) version from the Boxset (or the last VERY BEST CD).

I liked the boxset and the VB since I could listen update versions of my fave songs. Will I have the opportunity of get new different versions? I HOPE !!!! But.. r we sure?

humm.. I think I'll wait for your reviews, ledgie friends

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by DestinyRules
Or what about "Rock on Butter Cookie..."

:lol: Or - "Write me a lovesong Lindsey" "Lindsey - wrote me a lovesong" "Listen to you butter cookie - and write me a lovesong Lindsey" :laugh:

[buckmacnicks]

Hi,

Great to see that the remasters are finally underway. I noticed that Farmer´s Daughter has been added to the bonus disc on Tusk. But that leaves the question, why didn´t they include Fireflies and One More Night?

Can it be that they will be released on similar remastered (and expanded complete concert with rehearsals) cds from the Tusk tour?

Can´t wait till March 23rd, they will make lovely birthday gifts the day after!!

Greetz,

buckmacnicks. ;)