Do you believe in angels???

[Ledgegirl]

Do you believe they're in the earth with us? :)

[dissention]

According to a supermarket tabloid I saw today, Mel Gibson is one. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Too bad God hasn't blessed him enough for him to make decent flicks. :eek:

[wondergirl9847]

I most certainly do. My mom has had some encounters. :)

When I was in England, I can't explain it into words, but I always felt their presence. When I was walking around town, by myself, I wasn't. :)

[Ledgegirl]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/80/050_AB10157.jpg

[gldstwmn]

Yes.:)

[CarneVaca]

If you are talking figuratively, yes. And that would be my little girl.

If you are talking literally, no.

[Ledgegirl]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
If you are talking figuratively, yes. And that would be my little girl.

If you are talking literally, no.

I'm talking in both ways. I've met people who I truly believe that is an angel because they had no malice. Who knows if God sent them? I'd like to know if anyone have met people like that too :)

And I'm talking too if you believe in God angels, if they're here with us without see them or hear them.

[Alison]

The Bible does state that we do entertain angels un awear. So you never know when you will meet up with one.

[DrummerDeanna]

I absolutely belive in angels!! Both the heavenly ones and everyday ones :D My family has had a couple of instances where I know there was some angel-ly intervention :) Also, I had a twin sister who died at birth..so I grew up with my mom telling me that she was my very own guardian angel, that's just a comforting thought :)

[GypsySorcerer]

Yes.


~Krista

[strandinthewind]

Yes

[madformac]

The only Angel I know of is track 11 on the Tusk CD.......


:wavey:

[sodascouts]

Yes.

[Johnny Stew]

I definitely believe there are positive forces that are looking out for us.
Of course, you have to put out some of that positive energy yourself, in order to get some back.

"So you look to your guardian angels... some of them are here on Earth, and some of them are way up there in Heaven...."

[estranged4life]

because something has been watching over me and keeping me from permanently "checking out" of this existence...

Brian "2004...Things can only get better the rest of the year, right?" j.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by Ledgegirl
Do you believe they're in the earth with us? :)
Absolutely.

[Anthony]

:angel: :angel: :angel:
Every day I am alive is a gift from them.
How could you not?

[Anthony]

Heaven and Hell. Good and bad. One cannot exist without the other. "My little Demon" comes to mind.:angel: :mad:

[sara1998]

Originally posted by estranged4life
because something has been watching over me and keeping me from permanently "checking out" of this existence...

Brian "2004...Things can only get better the rest of the year, right?" j.

Please don't put your wife and children (if any) through that kind of hell. No one, including you, deserves it.

Yes, I do believe in angels.

Maria

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by sara1998
Please don't put your wife and children (if any) through that kind of hell. No one, including you, deserves it.

Yes, I do believe in angels.

Maria

I'm not going to "go away" at my own hands...Believe me, it WON'T happen that way!

I plan on (Hopefully) dying of old age, Or boredom, depending on which comes first :laugh:

Brian j.

[sara1998]

Originally posted by estranged4life
I'm not going to "go away" at my own hands...Believe me, it WON'T happen that way!


Good. That's a good thing. Sorry for jumping to conclusions....

Maria

[estranged4life]

the only GOOD thing about all this stress I am dealing with is that I am turning more grey headed than before

Rather be grey than bald, And I never have been bald...EVER!!!! :)

Brian "Trying to keep a stiff upper lip...And my dry sense of humor" j.

[laurie816]

Absolutely YES!!!!

My son is one in every sense of the word...he enlightens and inspires and brings postive energy into my life and great happiness.

I also believe in "heavenly angels" if you will. There have been a few instances in my life, where looking back someone or something had to be watching over me....otherwise...who knows what or where I may have ended up.

Literally, in EVERY room in my house...there are angels everywhere...from wall boarders to figures to pictures and crystal balls...they're here and call me crazy...but it's such a comfort to see them everywhere.

[Ledgegirl]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/NYG/7323.jpg

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by estranged4life
I'm not going to "go away" at my own hands...Believe me, it WON'T happen that way!

I plan on (Hopefully) dying of old age, Or boredom, depending on which comes first :laugh:

Brian j.

Madly going through your four rooms of bootlegs and demo cache :laugh:

[jadegypsy]

In a sense yes, I have several "angels" (grandparents, etc) that I think look out for me, as i joke to my mom I have one for everyday of the week except sunday, so I only have to be "good" one day of the week, otherwise I'm okay. Considering I've had three times I should've died I must certainly have something that keeps throwing my card back into the pile.

[Rob67]

Originally posted by dissention
According to a supermarket tabloid I saw today, Mel Gibson is one. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Too bad God hasn't blessed him enough for him to make decent flicks. :eek:

WAIT A SEC!!! Now that, my friend, is a crossed line!!! Politics I can stand, but my BS detector just exploded!!!:laugh: :laugh:

How can you honestly not think Braveheart was at the very least a "decent" flick?

The guy has made some bombs but he has also made some great films. The Road Warrior, Man without A Face, Lethal Weapon I, Payback, and ESPECIALLY Braveheart. I couldn't find a flaw in that movie (aside from a few dramatic licenses over historical facts).

Had to defend one of my alltime favorites....

I am even looking forward to The Passion simply because his direction has been fantastic so far.

Rob:cool:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Rob67
WAIT A SEC!!! Now that, my friend, is a crossed line!!! Politics I can stand, but my BS detector just exploded!!!:laugh: :laugh:

How can you honestly not think Braveheart was at the very least a "decent" flick?

The guy has made some bombs but he has also made some great films. The Road Warrior, Man without A Face, Lethal Weapon I, Payback, and ESPECIALLY Braveheart. I couldn't find a flaw in that movie (aside from a few dramatic licenses over historical facts).

Had to defend one of my alltime favorites....

I am even looking forward to The Passion simply because his direction has been fantastic so far.

Rob:cool:

Supposedly, the movie is anti semitic.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Supposedly, the movie is anti semitic.
Well it would be rather hard to have a movie about the persecution and death of Christ that portrayed the Jews in a positive light :laugh:

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Well it would be rather hard to have a movie about the persecution and death of Christ that portrayed the Jews in a positive light :laugh:

If Mel Brooks has thought of that idea??? :laugh:

Brian "Blazing Saddles" j.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by estranged4life
If Mel Brooks has thought of that idea??? :laugh:

Brian "Blazing Saddles" j. '

Hey Torquemada - whadda say :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

From the LA Times:

The leader of one of two Jewish organizations that this week condemned Mel Gibson's forthcoming film, "The Passion of the Christ," as an incitement to anti-Semitism said Friday that his organization is preparing an 11th-hour appeal for a cinematic postscript to the movie.

Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said in an interview that he has all but given up hope Gibson's final cut of the film will omit problematic material from the synoptic Gospels.

Most mainstream Catholic and other scholars now believe some material, particularly quotations and chronologies drawn from the Gospel attributed to Matthew, is not only inaccurate but also a provocation to hatred of Jews.

Gibson was baptized a Catholic, but now belongs to a schismatic congregation that rejects most of the practices and teachings adopted by the church over the past 40 years.

Foxman said he is preparing a letter asking the filmmaker, who self-financed the $25-million "Passion," to append a personal statement to the version scheduled for release Ash Wednesday (Feb. 25) in which Gibson would condemn any bigoted interpretation of his Passion narrative.

"Mel Gibson, like all of us, has a right to freely express himself," Foxman said. "As an artist, let him have the film he wants to have. But, given the film he has made, I would like to see him do a postscript. Let him say, 'I did this film because I believe I was inspired by the Holy Ghost. I believe that Jesus suffered for all mankind. Some people want to put the blame for his death on the Jews. Don't do that. I've said I wanted to make a "Passion" of love. Blaming Jews for Christ's death would make this a "Passion" of hate.' "

Conversations between the ADL and Gibson broke off some time ago over the organization's early expressions of anxiety over the movie's content. "But I haven't given up," Foxman said. "I'm sending this letter today (Friday)."

A call to Gibson spokesman Alan Nierob seeking comment on the ADL proposal was not returned.

As Lorenza Muñoz and Larry B. Stammer reported Friday in The Times, Foxman — who like other ADL officials has been barred by Gibson from screenings of "The Passion" — finally managed to see a version by surreptitiously entering a gathering of Protestant ministers in Orlando, Fla., where it was being shown by the filmmaker. What Foxman saw, he said, "was a film that portrayed Jews as blood-thirsty and unambiguously responsible for the death of Christ. I now understand why Mr. Gibson didn't want us to see it."

Foxman was joined in his condemnation by David Elcott, director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee. He, too, noted the film's revival of anti-Semitic stereotypes and drew particular attention to Gibson's decision to include Matthew 27:25, in which the group of Jews present when the Roman governor Pontius Pilate condemned Jesus to death is supposed to have said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

According to sources involved in Catholic-Jewish dialogue in the United States, Gibson's inclusion of such material in what is essentially a contemporary Passion play has become a growing concern among some American prelates. They have begun informal conversations about the advisability of taking some sort of action in advance of this film's theatrical release, the sources say.

One possible step would be to draw Catholics' attention to the fact that their church has a formal set of "Criteria for the Evaluation of Dramatizations of the Passion." Those guidelines were adopted by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops in 1988 and specifically warn against inclusion of several points Gibson has incorporated into versions of his movie now being screened.

For example, in the matter of that verse from Matthew — which appears in none of the other Gospels — the bishops' guidelines warn that it can be used in a manner "clearly implying a 'blood guilt' on all Jews in all times in violation of [the Second Vatican Council's] dictum that "what happened in his Passion cannot be blamed on all the Jews then living without distinction nor upon Jews today.' Hence, if the Matthean phrase is to be used (not here recommended), great care could have to be taken throughout the presentation to ensure such an interpretation does not prevail."

Similarly, the bishops' guidelines caution that traditional accounts of Jesus' trial before the Jewish authorities are historically suspect. The Catholic Study Bible officially approved by the U.S. church has a similar cautionary note and footnotes the passage from Matthew: "Guilt for Jesus' death is not attributable to all the Jews of his time or to any Jews of later times."

Gibson's "Passion" has received the support of the conservative Catholic League (which is not affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church) whose president, William Donohue, issued a statement Friday condemning the "unseemly campaign to discredit" the film. "The guilty include journalists, Catholic and Jewish theologians and Jewish activists," the statement read. "Their goal all along has been to portray Mel Gibson as [an] ... anti-Semite, and to upend his film with charges of violence in the streets. But their relentless campaign is ultimately futile: At the end of the day, the people will judge the movie."

Since his youth, Foxman has enjoyed an unusually close relationship with the Catholic Church. As a Jewish child in wartime Poland, he was separated from his parents and saved by his nanny, who had him baptized and raised him as a Catholic. After the war, he was reunited with his parents and returned to Judaism.

"I have," he said, "a tremendous love and respect for the church that gave me life again. Forty years ago, we in the ADL helped the bishops to write those guidelines that permit artists to be honest about their faith without being hateful in their work. What Mel Gibson is doing is as much an attack on the Catholic Church and the Second Vatican Council as it is anything else."

Why should that matter?

"Because it's now likely that more people will see his Passion in two months," Foxman said, "than saw all the Passion plays ever staged in the previous 2,000 years."

[AgainLindsey]

i believe in God and Jesus Christ

[CarneVaca]

It's hard to talk about something you havent' seen or read, but I understand the concern among the Jewish folks. There is fair amount of historic evidence that the Romans, not the Jews, were ultimately responsible for the crucifixion, though some of the details for the crucifixion as depicted in the Bible are somewhat suspect. When the Romans decided to adopt Christianity as the state religion, adjusting it to a lot of the pagan rites and beliefs so that it would become more palatable, they threw out pieces of the gospels and possibly distorted other parts so that the primary blame for the crucifixion would shift to the Jews.

Be that as it may, if Mel Gibson wants to release a picture that may be anti-semitic, and I will reserve my judgment on that till I see it, he should just go ahead. There is no better weapon than indifference. Boycott it if you have a problem with it.

[littlelies7]

Yes, I do believe in angels.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
It's hard to talk about something you havent' seen or read, but I understand the concern among the Jewish folks. There is fair amount of historic evidence that the Romans, not the Jews, were ultimately responsible for the crucifixion, though some of the details for the crucifixion as depicted in the Bible are somewhat suspect. When the Romans decided to adopt Christianity as the state religion, adjusting it to a lot of the pagan rites and beliefs so that it would become more palatable, they threw out pieces of the gospels and possibly distorted other parts so that the primary blame for the crucifixion would shift to the Jews.

Interestingly, God Himself was ultimately responsible. I mean the Gospel clearly says "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 I know God perhaps had hope man would rise above, but God is omnipotent and knew man would not. So, regardless of whether it was the Jews or Romans, Christ was going to die and was sent here for that purpose.

Note: I just had a huge dinner and am on cold medication - so this is a rather heady ramble even if true :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
It's hard to talk about something you havent' seen or read, but I understand the concern among the Jewish folks. There is fair amount of historic evidence that the Romans, not the Jews, were ultimately responsible for the crucifixion, though some of the details for the crucifixion as depicted in the Bible are somewhat suspect. When the Romans decided to adopt Christianity as the state religion, adjusting it to a lot of the pagan rites and beliefs so that it would become more palatable, they threw out pieces of the gospels and possibly distorted other parts so that the primary blame for the crucifixion would shift to the Jews.



Agreed. History is written by the victors.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Interestingly, God Himself was ultimately responsible. I mean the Gospel clearly says "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Excellent point, Jason. One I thought of making, but decided not to so I wouldn't take the thread too far off course. So ultimately, the finger about whose fault it is is not to be pointed at any mere mortals. By the way, isn't "Father, why have you forsaken me?" (or something like that) one of the oddest little bits in the Bible? Jesus knew he was supposed to die all along, but yet he has this outburst, which would be all too human and understandable for anyone else.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Agreed. History is written by the victors.

:nod: :nod: :nod:

Also, it is often said Constantine (the first Christian Roman Emperor) just picked the horse he knew would win and chose Christianity to preserve the Roman Empire.

Similarly, the Catholic Church (arguably a related extension of the Roman Empire in the later years) did the same sort of thing by absorbing the pagan beliefs if the goddess as mother earth into their lore. That is one of the reasons why Mary is so exalted in the Roman Catholic Church. Personally, I find all Church history fascinating in the respect that the history of the world for the most part was written by the victors, in this case the Catholic Church.

Note: I am not slamming the Papacy, the Church, or anything like that. I am just observing how it played out.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Excellent point, Jason. One I thought of making, but decided not to so I wouldn't take the thread too far off course. So ultimately, the finger about whose fault it is is not to be pointed at any mere mortals. By the way, isn't "Father, why have you forsaken me?" (or something like that) one of the oddest little bits in the Bible? Jesus knew he was supposed to die all along, but yet he has this outburst, which would be all too human and understandable for anyone else.

I know - it is almost like God said "Listen Son - go down there and do this and I will save you at the last minute" and then "psyche" God is nowhere to be found :laugh: I know that is hyperbole, but it is interesting. Many Christians in the various faiths believe that this "cry of dereliction" was Christ taking in the sins of the world and the task overwhelmed Him bedause He was human when He did it. Conversely, the remaining two of the Holy Trinity (God and the Holy Ghost) were not human and therefore were not similarly overwhelmed by the agony and anguish of the human Christ.

Here are some sites giving different perspectives. Note: I know nothing about these sites other than these blurbs :cool:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2492

http://www.abideinchrist.com/devotion/apr16.html

http://www.bibleexplained.com/poetry/psalms/ps022.html

Again - I mean no slam to the Christian faith. I am just commenting on the literally awe inspiring events surrounding the crucifiction and those that make up the foundation of faith.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Here are some sites giving different perspectives. Note: I know nothing about these sites other than these blurbs :cool:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2492

http://www.abideinchrist.com/devotion/apr16.html

http://www.bibleexplained.com/poetry/psalms/ps022.html

Again - I mean no slam to the Christian faith. I am just commenting on the literally awe inspiring events surrounding the crucifiction and those that make up the foundation of faith.

Jason, I'll give these sights a look. I've been doing a lot of reading on this stuff lately. Blame it on that darn Dan Brown and his irresistable Da Vinci Code.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Jason, I'll give these sights a look. I've been doing a lot of reading on this stuff lately. Blame it on that darn Dan Brown and his irresistable Da Vinci Code.

I know - I read it twice in the same week. I also just read "Angels and Demons," which was good, but not as riveting as the Da Vinci Code. I mean the stuff in the DVC is loosly based on fact, but he makes it all sound so real and it just makes sense. That - and I am a natural conspiracy theorist :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
I most certainly do. My mom has had some encounters. :)

When I was in England, I can't explain it into words, but I always felt their presence. When I was walking around town, by myself, I wasn't. :)

I thought that was your little demon Lindsey trailing you.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Well it would be rather hard to have a movie about the persecution and death of Christ that portrayed the Jews in a positive light :laugh:

You mean Jesus and his disciples will be portrayed in a negative light?

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
From the LA Times:

The leader of one of two Jewish organizations that this week condemned Mel Gibson's forthcoming film, "The Passion of the Christ," as an incitement to anti-Semitism said Friday that his organization is preparing an 11th-hour appeal for a cinematic postscript to the movie.

Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said in an interview that he has all but given up hope Gibson's final cut of the film will omit problematic material from the synoptic Gospels.

Most mainstream Catholic and other scholars now believe some material, particularly quotations and chronologies drawn from the Gospel attributed to Matthew, is not only inaccurate but also a provocation to hatred of Jews.

Gibson was baptized a Catholic, but now belongs to a schismatic congregation that rejects most of the practices and teachings adopted by the church over the past 40 years.

Foxman said he is preparing a letter asking the filmmaker, who self-financed the $25-million "Passion," to append a personal statement to the version scheduled for release Ash Wednesday (Feb. 25) in which Gibson would condemn any bigoted interpretation of his Passion narrative.

"Mel Gibson, like all of us, has a right to freely express himself," Foxman said. "As an artist, let him have the film he wants to have. But, given the film he has made, I would like to see him do a postscript. Let him say, 'I did this film because I believe I was inspired by the Holy Ghost. I believe that Jesus suffered for all mankind. Some people want to put the blame for his death on the Jews. Don't do that. I've said I wanted to make a "Passion" of love. Blaming Jews for Christ's death would make this a "Passion" of hate.' "

Conversations between the ADL and Gibson broke off some time ago over the organization's early expressions of anxiety over the movie's content. "But I haven't given up," Foxman said. "I'm sending this letter today (Friday)."

A call to Gibson spokesman Alan Nierob seeking comment on the ADL proposal was not returned.

As Lorenza Muñoz and Larry B. Stammer reported Friday in The Times, Foxman — who like other ADL officials has been barred by Gibson from screenings of "The Passion" — finally managed to see a version by surreptitiously entering a gathering of Protestant ministers in Orlando, Fla., where it was being shown by the filmmaker. What Foxman saw, he said, "was a film that portrayed Jews as blood-thirsty and unambiguously responsible for the death of Christ. I now understand why Mr. Gibson didn't want us to see it."

Foxman was joined in his condemnation by David Elcott, director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee. He, too, noted the film's revival of anti-Semitic stereotypes and drew particular attention to Gibson's decision to include Matthew 27:25, in which the group of Jews present when the Roman governor Pontius Pilate condemned Jesus to death is supposed to have said, "His blood be upon us and upon our children."

According to sources involved in Catholic-Jewish dialogue in the United States, Gibson's inclusion of such material in what is essentially a contemporary Passion play has become a growing concern among some American prelates. They have begun informal conversations about the advisability of taking some sort of action in advance of this film's theatrical release, the sources say.

One possible step would be to draw Catholics' attention to the fact that their church has a formal set of "Criteria for the Evaluation of Dramatizations of the Passion." Those guidelines were adopted by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops in 1988 and specifically warn against inclusion of several points Gibson has incorporated into versions of his movie now being screened.

For example, in the matter of that verse from Matthew — which appears in none of the other Gospels — the bishops' guidelines warn that it can be used in a manner "clearly implying a 'blood guilt' on all Jews in all times in violation of [the Second Vatican Council's] dictum that "what happened in his Passion cannot be blamed on all the Jews then living without distinction nor upon Jews today.' Hence, if the Matthean phrase is to be used (not here recommended), great care could have to be taken throughout the presentation to ensure such an interpretation does not prevail."

Similarly, the bishops' guidelines caution that traditional accounts of Jesus' trial before the Jewish authorities are historically suspect. The Catholic Study Bible officially approved by the U.S. church has a similar cautionary note and footnotes the passage from Matthew: "Guilt for Jesus' death is not attributable to all the Jews of his time or to any Jews of later times."

Gibson's "Passion" has received the support of the conservative Catholic League (which is not affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church) whose president, William Donohue, issued a statement Friday condemning the "unseemly campaign to discredit" the film. "The guilty include journalists, Catholic and Jewish theologians and Jewish activists," the statement read. "Their goal all along has been to portray Mel Gibson as [an] ... anti-Semite, and to upend his film with charges of violence in the streets. But their relentless campaign is ultimately futile: At the end of the day, the people will judge the movie."

Since his youth, Foxman has enjoyed an unusually close relationship with the Catholic Church. As a Jewish child in wartime Poland, he was separated from his parents and saved by his nanny, who had him baptized and raised him as a Catholic. After the war, he was reunited with his parents and returned to Judaism.

"I have," he said, "a tremendous love and respect for the church that gave me life again. Forty years ago, we in the ADL helped the bishops to write those guidelines that permit artists to be honest about their faith without being hateful in their work. What Mel Gibson is doing is as much an attack on the Catholic Church and the Second Vatican Council as it is anything else."

Why should that matter?

"Because it's now likely that more people will see his Passion in two months," Foxman said, "than saw all the Passion plays ever staged in the previous 2,000 years."

I heard Foxman speak about the movie in Houston last fall. Last summer I heard a Catholic priest speak about it in Boston. Also, I heard a rabbi who has screened the movie give a sermon on it a couple of months ago. He had to sign a waiver that he would not give details to the public, but he made it clear that he is worried should the movie be released in its present form.

On separate dates Foxman & Rabbi Rosen of Congregation Beth Yeshurun both shared a similar message. Their main concern is history's pattern of persecution of Jews at times when The Passion story is portrayed as history. The release of a film of artistic beauty but with a Jews-as-Evil theme could be especially damaging given that antisemitic rhetoric and actions have increased dramatically around the world in the last few years. Also, Mel's father is a Holocaust denier/Nazi sympathizer as well as a vocal critic of the Church. For whatever reason, Mel has refused to distance himself at all from his father's espoused beliefs.

The Catholic priest was concerned that Mel and his father do not support the Church as it now exists; they feel it is too liberal since the Sixties.

Many are holding hope that Mel will edit the film to exclude the presumably antisemitic content that the rabbi viewed.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by Ledgegirl
Do you believe they're in the earth with us? :)

Wait, are you saying that the movie Dogma was NOT a documentary? I'd just assumed.:)

I never used to believe in angels, but I have for maybe two years now.

BTW, Anthony, I think it's entirely possible to have heaven without hell, just as I believe in G-d but not a devil. JMHO.

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I know - I read it twice in the same week. I also just read "Angels and Demons," which was good, but not as riveting as the Da Vinci Code. I mean the stuff in the DVC is loosly based on fact, but he makes it all sound so real and it just makes sense. That - and I am a natural conspiracy theorist :laugh:

I have been teaching these concepts for years, including the idea that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam made concerted efforts to destroy & censor. It seems that early agricultural civilizations often elevated the female, while herding peoples worshipped the male as the stronger. It seems logical that the realization of the male role in procreation greatly altered people's religious beliefs. (I'll shut up about the class stuff now.)

While parts of Brown's book are a stretch, there is quite a bit of limited evidence of worldwide goddess worship that lasted possibly tens of thousands of years. If you have any appetite for books with endnotes, I recommend Merlin Stone's When God Was A Woman, Rosalind Miles's Who Cooked The Last Supper, and Gerda Lerner's The Creation of Patriarchy.

[jwd]

You mean as in Anaheim or Charlie's? :laugh: Seriously though, I'm with Johnny Stew and Stevie. I believe in both the earthly and heavenly kind. To say I don't would go against my spiritual credo. :)


Joe

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Jason, I'll give these sights a look. I've been doing a lot of reading on this stuff lately. Blame it on that darn Dan Brown and his irresistable Da Vinci Code.

That was a great book. It's being made in to a movie also.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
You mean Jesus and his disciples will be portrayed in a negative light?

- Jake

Not THOSE Jews!!!!! Just PP :laugh:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Not THOSE Jews!!!!! Just PP :laugh:

Now wait a minute. That may not be MY Bible but I draw the line when you say that Peter Pan was an evil Jew with an axe to grind against your saviour. (Oh, I get it. Peter Pan/My Little Saviour) :mad: :wavey:

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Now wait a minute. That may not be MY Bible but I draw the line when you say that Peter Pan was an evil Jew with an axe to grind against your saviour. (Oh, I get it. Peter Pan/My Little Saviour) :mad: :wavey:

- Jake

Peter Pan was not a Jew personally responsible for the agony of Christ. Peter pan was, like that Tinkie Winkie, much worse in that he was an obvious homosexual in green tights and pedophile (you know all fags are child molesters). :rolleyes:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Peter Pan was not a Jew personally responsible for the agony of Christ. Peter pan was, like that Tinkie Winkie, much worse in that he was an obvious homosexual in green tights and pedophile (you know all fags are child molesters). :rolleyes:

Now WAIT a sec. I just heard the brother, Jermaine Pan, say that Pete is Not a pedafire or homosexual and has never even touched fairy dust. In fact, Tinkerbell has given birth to two bag-headed Lost Children who have nothing but praise for Neverland. Don't believe the conspiracy, Jason.;)

- Jake

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Now WAIT a sec. I just heard the brother, Jermaine Pan, say that Pete is Not a pedafire or homosexual and has never even touched fairy dust. In fact, Tinkerbell has given birth to two bag-headed Lost Children who have nothing but praise for Neverland. Don't believe the conspiracy, Jason.;)

- Jake :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[celestenadia]

Yes, I do believe in angels. Someone once told me or I was taught when
I was little, that we each have four guardian angels!:nod:

[jwd]

Someone once told me or I was taught when
I was little, that we each have four guardian angels!


Hey, if someone needs three guardian angels, they're going at a cheap rate. I'm NOT THAT BAD! :laugh:


Joe

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by jwd
Hey, if someone needs three guardian angels, they're going at a cheap rate. I'm NOT THAT BAD! :laugh:


Joe

Then you ain't livin'. Wear those angels out. ;) :wavey:

- Jake

[jwd]

darklinensuit:

Then you ain't livin'. Wear those angels out.

Point taken bud. No one's getting my frickin' angels! :laugh:


Joe

[rhiannon1119]

I absolutely believe in angels!

:) Michelle