Reissues 3/23/04

[BLY]

This from Fleetwoodmac.com....

We can confirm that the street date for the reissues of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac & Tusk is 3/23/04. Each historic album digitally remastered and expanded with rarities. Deluxe packages feature restored LP art, previously unseen archival photos, extensive new liner notes and complete lyrics.

1975’ FLEETWOOD MAC, the realigned band’s #1 debut album, is a quintuple-platinum smash! Original track listing now expanded with bonus single versions of the hits “”Say You Love Me,” “Rhiannon,” “Over My Head,” and “Blue Letter.”

19-time platinum in the U.S. alone, RUMOURS is the sixth-biggest-selling album of all time, with sales upward of 30 million worldwide. 1977’s Grammy® winner for Album Of The Year, it spent 31 weeks at #1 and delivered four Top 10 hits. Specially packaged reissue now an expanded 2-CD edition with 18 unreleased tracks!

1979’s experimental double-platinum TUSK, newly restored to its original 2-CD format, is now inside a specially redesigned package and includes 21 unreleased tracks! Bonus tracks include a wealth of rare demos and alternative takes plus the restored, unedited, full LP version of the Stevie Nicks classic “Sara.”

[estranged4life]

Should make for an interesting March dontcha say?

Brian j.

ps-Can't wait to get the expanded Tusk & Rumours to compare and see what unreleased material has been in circulation with FM collectors.

[strandinthewind]

Thanks for posting :)

I, too, cannot wait to get these!!!!!!!

[CarneVaca]

21 unreleased tracks for Tusk and 18 for Rumours!? Could it be Fleetwood Mac is finally doing this right? If this is accurate, I will gladly spend the money.

[chiliD]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
21 unreleased tracks for Tusk and 18 for Rumours!? Could it be Fleetwood Mac is finally doing this right? If this is accurate, I will gladly spend the money.

I think it is RHINO that is "doing this right"...you don't REALLY believe Mick & Company would have the cajones to follow through on this themselves, do you? :laugh:

Well, I think I know what I'm going to put down on my "what I want for my birthday" list...who cares if they're scheduled to be released the day after? :nod:

[sodascouts]

YES!!!!!! These sounds AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Can't wait!

Pip

[joe]

WOWEE WOW WOW WOW!!!!


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[skcin]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
21 unreleased tracks for Tusk and 18 for Rumours!? Could it be Fleetwood Mac is finally doing this right? If this is accurate, I will gladly spend the money.

I actually thought this was a joke when I first read it - is it really real?!?! Oh, tell me it's really real! WOW!

Paula

[saradorna]

ooooh I've got to save some money for this.:)

Maybe you're right about Mick & company not having the cojones to follow through but don't they (the band) have to give the OK for this reissues to happen? :shrug:

Isabel

[chiliD]

Yeah, but I meant they wouldn't INITIATE the process. They probably just "signed off" on what Rhino presented them with.

[littlelies7]

Alrighty! I'll get them ,especially Tusk! Now, let's see if Mirage and TITN will follow...

[macfan 57]

Thanks for posting the news. It looks like we finally have a definite release date for these re-issues. With all of the George Harrison reissues, another Dylan bootleg CD set plus these Fleetwood Mac re-issues & hopefully soon thereafter the White Album & Tusk DVD audios-this is going to get very expensive for me. :)

[chiliD]

Originally posted by macfan 57
...this is going to get very expensive for me. :)


For ALL OF US! :nod:

[HomerMcvie]

...this is going to get very expensive for me.
I'd better start searching for a second job...

[CarneVaca]

18 and 21 seems pretty generous (price considerations aside), so I wonder if these numbers are accurate. But I am going to play the optimist for once and believe they are. A Tusk album with 41 tracks is as close to Elysium as one might ever get. Aaaah....


Speaking of Elysian Fields, has anyone gotten the Stones' Four Flicks DVD? I got it last weekend and only got through one disc so far. There is so much in there. I was practically salivating over the unfinished studio recording footage the CD included -- the Stones cutting loose with a tremendous groove. And I still have three more discs to go! All for 29.99! (a moment of silence in recognition of all those merchants who got screwed out of carrying this....)

OK, that's long enough. FM should do something like that (the content part, not the screwing the merchants part).

[Neal]

Originally posted by littlelies7
Alrighty! I'll get them ,especially Tusk! Now, let's see if Mirage and TITN will follow...

God I hope so! My 'cut and paste' versions of these albums w/ the b-sides and demos are really crappy... :(

If we do see them it'll probably be somewhere around 2050... I'll be dead but at least the next generation of Mac fans will have them! :)

[chiliD]

I figure Mirage & Tango In The Night will follow relatively quickly (somewhere late-summer/early-fall this year)...along with the Buckingham Nicks album, too.

It's the pre-1975 albums that I'm really interested in seeing what Rhino does with 'em. THOSE are the ones I'm kind of skeptical about ever seeing on store shelves.

Who knows, in a decade or so, we might even get to hear the omitted tracks from the originally submitted Another Link In The Chain album on the remastered/re-released Time album.

[littlelies7]

Originally posted by chiliD
I figure Mirage & Tango In The Night will follow relatively quickly (somewhere late-summer/early-fall this year)...along with the Buckingham Nicks album, too.

Here's to hoping! :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Does anyone have any idea what the extra tracks are? Are they alternates of songs we have heard or it is possible that there were that many extra songs recorded for Rumours? I wouldn't be surprised if there were 21 extra Tusk tracks, though.

[Carolina Girl]

WOW! I wonder how much these things are going to cost, especially the Rumours and Tusk ones, with all those extra tracks. I will definitely be purchasing Tusk, since that's my current favorite, and I'll probably get Rumours, since I don't own it at all -- depending on the price!! "I can't wait, I can't wait!!" Oh, isn't the DVD of the SYW tour coming out this spring also?

[AgainLindsey]

:blob1: :blob1: :blob1: :blob1: :blob1: :blob1: :blob1: :blob1:

3/23/04!!!

[chiliD]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
18 and 21 seems pretty generous (price considerations aside), so I wonder if these numbers are accurate.


Remember, Rhino did the remaster of the Elvis Costello albums and every one of 'em ended up a double album due to the number of bonus tracks.

Plus, Rhino did the first Brian Wilson album...even THAT had 11 bonus tracks (Including "Don't Let Your Body Down", or whatever that song was called that Brian & Lindsey did together.)

So, I think the 18 & 21 numbers are accurate. :nod:

:blob2:

I'm thinking that the discs probably won't be all that much...around $16 or $17...maybe even cheaper, depending on where you get them.

[dissention]

Originally posted by chiliD
I'm thinking that the discs probably won't be all that much...around $16 or $17...maybe even cheaper, depending on where you get them.

They'll probably be really cheap the first week of release at places like Best Buy and Circuit City. Here's hoping! :D

[hayley]

The most these suckers are going to be is a list price of $24.98, which means a cost of about $16, which means a normal price of probably $19.99 each. That's worst case scenario- Tusk and the White album aside, this is the first reissue of Rumours, which deserved a reissue and expanded edition LONG ago- these aren't going to be pointless catalog dumps (like my company's recent Essential Shawn Mullins/Fishbone/Adam Ant/etc.), these are going to do well- I'd expect to be able to pick these up for around $15 to $20 each, more likely lower than higher.

YAY!!

[dreams]

;) *sings* - I-know-what-I'm-gettin-for-my-birthday :nod:

happy chick here!! :D

[golddustwoman77]

:thumbsup: I'm glad we FINALLY know when these are coming out! I'll be using my Fye (music store) gift certificate I got was Christmas to purchase those. :D

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

YEE-HAW!!! :blob1: :blob2:

Sounds terrific to me!

When you think of it the way CarneVaca said... 'Tusk' with 41 tracks, it is mind-blowing! Wow!

I think the key is the "alternative takes and demos" comment... which means some of those 41 tracks will probably be three versions of the same song. But I'm certainly not going to be complaining! I'm a total nerd when it comes to alternate takes/mixes, so I'm going to be in Mac Fan heaven!

The "rare demos" really has me wondering if we're actually going to get digitally mastered, pristine copies of songs like "The Dealer."
With the way Stevie holds on to her stuff "until it's ready for the world," it kind of surprises me to think that we may actually be getting demos of songs that are otherwise unavailable commercially.

I can't wait to see a full track-listing for these... which I imagine should be forthcoming! :D

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
21 unreleased tracks for Tusk and 18 for Rumours!? Could it be Fleetwood Mac is finally doing this right? If this is accurate, I will gladly spend the money.

Yes, yes, yes!!! I am so excited to hear all this "new" music!

[joe68]

Like the Chain box set, it wouldnt surprise me at all that any demos that appear on these re-issues belong to a Mr. Buckingham or a Ms. McVie!

But heres to hoping...

[chiliD]

I think once we get to the Rhino remasters of Mirage & Tango In The Night, the bonus tracks will start looking familiar...such as:

Mirage:
Cool Water
Teen Beat
Goodbye Angel
etc

Tango In The Night:
Down Endless Street
Ricky
Book Of Miracles
You & I, Part 1
etc

[Carlene]

Be still my heart!! This is GREAT news! I'll take anything they want to put out on these CDs. And if Mirage and Tango are not far behind....ahhh....I can die happy.

Actually, this single-handedly made my crappy day a good one! (not to mention I got my FM calendar in the mail today with the band letter reminding me that the Boston show will be made into a DVD) :blob2:

Yes, today was good! :cool:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by joe68
Like the Chain box set, it wouldnt surprise me at all that any demos that appear on these re-issues belong to a Mr. Buckingham or a Ms. McVie!I've often thought that the frosty band-relations around 1991/92, are probably what harmed 'The Chain,' in regards to the paltry amount of rare tracks that were included.

So perhaps the major turnaround that has occured since, would make it more possible that both Stevie and Lindsey would be willing to let Fleetwood Mac release demo material that they otherwise might have tried to save for their own solo projects.

But I have to say, if songs like "The Dealer" aren't there, I'd still understand... if I've written songs that I'm proud of, and think I might still want to record a "definitive" version of some day, I probably wouldnt want to waste them on some reissue either.

Hopefully Stevie & Lindsey wouldn't look at it that way though.

I guess we'll see!:)

[stevierocks87]

Wow, the number of bonus tracks on Rumours and Tusk is MIND-BLOWING.......God I hope those numbers are accurate. They sound AWESOME! Wow....unbelievable....:D :D :D

One thing though....we all know FM has had some incredible live performances, but it doesn't mention any live cuts as the bonus tracks.....does anyone think we could expect a new FM Live Compilation or a new and expanded "FM Live" (1980) album?

:wavey: adam :wavey:

[macmar71]

If this is true which I still hold out totally believing it until I see it with my eyes. But say it is so, then here's my thought....... YYYYYEEEEAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Speaking of Elysian Fields, has anyone gotten the Stones' Four Flicks DVD? I got it last weekend and only got through one disc so far. There is so much in there. I was practically salivating over the unfinished studio recording footage the CD included -- the Stones cutting loose with a tremendous groove. And I still have three more discs to go! All for 29.99! (a moment of silence in recognition of all those merchants who got screwed out of carrying this....)


I bought it and have watched most of the Paris & Twickenham discs...But am disappointed that the NYC show was not the complete broadcast that was aired on HBO (The other 2 shows are also incomplete song wise...But they STILL rock!)

The U2 "go Home" DVD is also HIGHLY recommended! (It's great to finally have the "Unforgettable Fire" doctumentary which is included as an extra.)

Now if the Mac could only release a DVD that is comparable...

Brian j.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
The "rare demos" really has me wondering if we're actually going to get digitally mastered, pristine copies of songs like "The Dealer."

Not to burst your bubble (I'm just as excited!), but we already have digitally mastered, pristine copies of "The Dealer." And quite a lot of them. ;)

[DownOnRodeo]

Awesome news.

Lindsey's Soundstage will most likely be on DVD too won't it?

So let's see... (keeping in mind these are Australian dollars):

2004

Concerts $200 x 3
Remasters $35 x 3
DVDs $30 x 2

= $730 (+ SYW Doco? @ $30 = $760)

With any luck, the taped show will be in the same DVD package as the SYW doco, unless that means the doco is reduced in size.


We need to get a cheaper hobby!!

[chiliD]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
So let's see... (keeping in mind these are Australian dollars):

2004

Concerts $200 x 3
Remasters $35 x 3
DVDs $30 x 2

= $730 (+ SYW Doco? @ $30 = $760)


Having more than a year of constant Fleetwood Mac releases & reissues?


PRICELESS!!!!!!

:blob2:

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by chiliD
Having more than a year of constant Fleetwood Mac releases & reissues?
PRICELESS!!!!!!


lol :laugh:

Um, I wish it were price-less :laugh:

[David]

Originally posted by dissention
Not to burst your bubble (I'm just as excited!), but we already have digitally mastered, pristine copies of "The Dealer." And quite a lot of them. ;) Exactamundo. I've been compiling my "Rhino Remasters" for the past twenty-five years, & they're lookin' & soundin' really good!! There's no way in Hades that Rhino -- or anyone else -- can top this.

Nice try, Fleetwood Mac! But I think you're ... what is it? a dollar short & a day late?

[dissention]

Originally posted by David
Exactamundo. I've been compiling my "Rhino Remasters" for the past twenty-five years, & they're lookin' & soundin' really good!! There's no way in Hades that Rhino -- or anyone else -- can top this.

Nice try, Fleetwood Mac! But I think you're ... what is it? a dollar short & a day late?

:nod:

I don't think there are more than 10 demos out there that us fans haven't unearthed (with the exception of the newer ones, but we did get the early mixes of SYW!).

I'll wait and see what the extras are before I buy. Chances are they'll be things we already have. But let's be optimistic anyways! :D

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by dissention
:nod:

I don't think there are more than 10 demos out there that us fans haven't unearthed (with the exception of the newer ones, but we did get the early mixes of SYW!).

I'll wait and see what the extras are before I buy. Chances are they'll be things we already have. But let's be optimistic anyways! :D

because I have been able to amass a large amount of "unreleased" music in only a few years of trading...So unless they have something BURIED way deep in the vaults I dont think we'll be that surprised by the extra material.

Btw, It's funny when fans dig through a band's catalog of Hard To Find/Out Of Print & "unreleased" material and make compilations that are MUCH better than what the band has to officially offer (ie-"U2-The B-Sides" (1979-2001) 11 cd set...All the tracks are studio quality!!!)...

Brian j.

[dissention]

Originally posted by estranged4life
because I have been able to amass a large amount of "unreleased" music in only a few years of trading...So unless they have something BURIED way deep in the vaults I dont think we'll be that surprised by the extra material.

Btw, It's funny when fans dig through a band's catalog of Hard To Find/Out Of Print & "unreleased" material and make compilations that are MUCH better than what the band has to officially offer (ie-"U2-The B-Sides" (1979-2001) 11 cd set...All the tracks are studio quality!!!)...

Brian j.

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

And, lately, there has been an onslaught of new stuff. I think I'll just wait and see what's on there.

[David]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Lindsey's Soundstage will most likely be on DVD too won't it? Lindsey's been mixing a live album of the Chicago show with Mark Needham at a place in Malibu. He's scheduled to continue mixing tomorrow (Friday) night.

You never know whether a project will get canned -- particularly if it's Lindsey's -- but at this point we can probably expect a live album from that Soundstage gig.

A DVD would be great, too, because he played cool things like "Red Rover" & "Steal Your Heart Away."

[Johnny Stew]

dissention and David, I hear what you're saying... but the stuff we have tends to be 2nd or 3rd generation copies, or lossy mp3s, and none of it is professionally remastered for the best possible sound quality... which is why I'll be excited to have these.

Still, you're both right... the amount of material the fans have made available to each other will be hard, if not completely impossible, for Rhino or anyone else to ever match! :nod:

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by David
Lindsey's been mixing a live album of the Chicago show with Mark Needham at a place in Malibu. He's scheduled to continue mixing tomorrow (Friday) night.

You never know whether a project will get canned -- particularly if it's Lindsey's -- but at this point we can probably expect a live album from that Soundstage gig.

WOO FREAKIN HOO!!!!!!!!!!

:blob1::blob2::blob1::blob2:

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew


Still, you're both right... the amount of material the fans have made available to each other will be hard, if not completely impossible, for Rhino or anyone else to ever match! :nod:

What's exciting is that now EVERY fan, not just a lucky few, will have access to these great-sounding demos.

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by sodascouts
What's exciting is that now EVERY fan, not just a lucky few, will have access to these great-sounding demos.

and that's what is the great part, EVERYONE will finally have these tracks!!!

Brian j.

[David R]

Wow, such great news. This is going to be a great year of music for me. Incubus releasing a new album, and so much Fleetwood Mac releases... ahh it is going to be music to my ears! And a dent in my wallet...... but i'm not complaining! :D

21 extra tusk tracks? and many other extras? what a dream come true! I don't care if I have any of them downloaded, to have them in excellent quality and on a "quality" cd would be great, I am going to buy the reissues as soon as I can get them.

[SpyNote]

1975’ FLEETWOOD MAC, the realigned band’s #1 debut album, is a quintuple-platinum smash! Original track listing now expanded with bonus single versions of the hits “”Say You Love Me,” “Rhiannon,” “Over My Head,” and “Blue Letter.”

Was Blue Letter actually a single anywhere? Or was that a typo?

[Johnny Stew]

1975’ FLEETWOOD MAC, the realigned band’s #1 debut album, is a quintuple-platinum smash! Original track listing now expanded with bonus single versions of the hits “”Say You Love Me,” “Rhiannon,” “Over My Head,” and “Blue Letter.”Originally posted by SpyNote
Was Blue Letter actually a single anywhere? Or was that a typo? It was released as the b-side to "Warm Ways" (can you believe that was a single?!) in the UK, but as far as I know, it wasn't released as an a-side anywhere.

I'm wondering if it was intended to be the fourth US single from 'Fleetwood Mac,' and was remixed to that end, but was then abandoned when Warner/Reprise realized they could start pushing a song from the new album instead ("Say You Love Me" was released in June 1976, and then "Go Your Own Way" was released in December).

Maybe those "extensive new liner notes" will offer an explanation! :D

[Gazza]

I'm still hoping they put together a Led Zep type DVD. There's obviously footage of them from each tour somewhere on tape... Stuff that most of us haven't even seen.


BTW... These reports keep saying Rumours is the 6th biggest seller of all time... I'm pretty sure that figure comes from the sales in America, as opposed to Worldwide, where I think it's about 4th, and that's with The Eagles Greatest Hits included (which shouldn't really count).

Can anyone confirm that? I've been looking for worldwide sales all over the net for loads of albums, but only ever find the American sales figures.

[Bumperke]

Will the release be worldwide ?
Will

[DownOnRodeo]

I can only hope that I might be able to buy the reissues here within a month of the US release. :rolleyes:

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
WOO FREAKIN HOO!!!!!!!!!!


I'll say! A Live Studio Album of the Lindsey Soundstage show? Murrow, Red Rover, etc, live? In Dance-quality presentation??


I think this is pushing me into overload!

[DownOnRodeo]

Thanks for the info David. :wavey:

Hopefully the album would be on top of a DVD, because I swore I read a while ago that the Soundtage specials usually get released on DVD anyway. Can anyone confirm this?

[chiliD]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
...("Say You Love Me" was released in June 1976, and then "Go Your Own Way" was released in December).


DECEMBER?!?! I could've sworn I bought it in October (just a couple of weeks after my semester started; and, right after I had just started working in a record store).

[JamieSPC]

because I have been able to amass a large amount of "unreleased" music in only a few years of trading...So unless they have something BURIED way deep in the vaults I dont think we'll be that surprised by the extra material.

What's exciting is that now EVERY fan, not just a lucky few, will have access to these great-sounding demos.

Still, you're both right... the amount of material the fans have made available to each other will be hard, if not completely impossible, for Rhino or anyone else to ever match!

Don't mean to snipe at you guys, but we should probably make the point that the best part of this whole thing is that all these "tracks that have been around forever and are no big deal or no surprise" etc. etc. etc. will now finally be legally available.

That seems pretty cool to me. :nod:

~Jamie

[4Buck]

>>> I am SO looking forward to March as this will complete my collection of “legal” Fleetwood Mac releases!!!......

I’m one who thought the group's vocal abilities weren’t at their apex in the ‘70s. Just so these future reissues won’t be abundantly supplied with superfluous garbage................

If so, I’ll be the first to post “I GOT TOOK!”
:laugh:

[Watchdevil22]

Here's what RS Daily had to say this morning:

Friday, January 23, 2004


FLEETWOOD MAC LOOK BACK

FLEETWOOD MAC's landmark late-Seventies albums -- "Fleetwood Mac,"
"Rumours" and "Tusk" -- will be reissued by Rhino on March 23rd and
padded with demos and outtakes. "Rumours," which has sold more than
19 million copies, is almost as famous for its creators' feuding as
its hits. "All of those problems, all of those drugs and all of the
fun and all of the craziness, made for writing all those songs,"
STEVIE NICKS said. "If we'd been a big healthy group of guys and
gals, none of those great songs would've been written."


Woo!
Erin

[CarneVaca]

Am I the only one who doesn't collect demos like crazy around here? I have maybe a handful. I don't have the patience to listen to them. But I keep hearing about this The Dealer. Is it available on a site somewhere?

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by David
Lindsey's been mixing a live album of the Chicago show with Mark Needham at a place in Malibu. He's scheduled to continue mixing tomorrow (Friday) night.

You never know whether a project will get canned -- particularly if it's Lindsey's -- but at this point we can probably expect a live album from that Soundstage gig.


Lindsey should do this right. There is a market for off-beat releases now. Witness Ryan Adams' recent releases, only one year after he put out full album of mostly demos.

Lindsey should do the Chicago thing as a two-CD package with the unreleased Gift of Screws material.

Lindsey, are you reading this?

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Am I the only one who doesn't collect demos like crazy around here? I have maybe a handful. I don't have the patience to listen to them. But I keep hearing about this The Dealer. Is it available on a site somewhere?

I don't know if anyone has it posted but I would be happy to send it to you. The Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers versions from the Bella Donna sessions are the best, IMO.

[dissention]

Originally posted by JamieSPC
Don't mean to snipe at you guys, but we should probably make the point that the best part of this whole thing is that all these "tracks that have been around forever and are no big deal or no surprise" etc. etc. etc. will now finally be legally available.

That seems pretty cool to me. :nod:

~Jamie

Not to me. :laugh: It's as if "our little secret" is now becoming public. :laugh:

No, I think it's great. But depending on what the stuff is, I won't necessarily buy it.

[dissention]

Originally posted by sodascouts
What's exciting is that now EVERY fan, not just a lucky few, will have access to these great-sounding demos.

:nod:

Most fans are incredibly generous, which is why I believe all of this stuff has come out at such an alarming rate these past six months. :D

[JamieSPC]

It's as if "our little secret" is now becoming public

Yeah, I realize I sounded self-righteous. Geez, I've never passed up a download. :laugh:

I'm excited about the QUALITY issue. I want to hear these things sound as good as some of the other reissue and "official bootleg" stuff I've heard out of Rhino.

It can still be "our little secret" ... let's face it, when it comes to some of those demos, only true fans will listen through them more than once, if at all. ;)

~Jamie

[dissention]

Originally posted by JamieSPC
It can still be "our little secret" ... let's face it, when it comes to some of those demos, only true fans will listen through them more than once, if at all. ;)

~Jamie

Ain't that the truth. Case in point: the piano demo of Gypsy. :eek: :laugh: :nod:

[cliffdweller]

:eek:

Wow, it looks like more bonus stuff is going to be available than I thought. I am really excited...come on March....

[Carolina Girl]

I think I'll begin a "Countdown" to March 23 :D

[chiliD]

Originally posted by dissention
:nod:

Most fans are incredibly generous, which is why I believe all of this stuff has come out at such an alarming rate these past six months. :D



It's like with the Grateful Dead & the Allman Bros Band. So many recordings are freely shared, that they just have to finally give in and give 'em an official "stamp of approval"

[wondergirl9847]

IMO, The Dealer is one of Stevie's greatest unreleased songs. :nod: I think it should have been on Belladonna in place of Think About It. It's got this "riverboat gambler" feel to it and it's my fave demo of hers.

[dissention]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
IMO, The Dealer is one of Stevie's greatest unreleased songs. :nod: I think it should have been on Belladonna in place of Think About It. It's got this "riverboat gambler" feel to it and it's my fave demo of hers.

I always found it a bit cheesy, but like gldstwmn said, the ones she worked on with the Heartbreakers were fantastic. I think Julia should've made it onto Bella Donna, not Think About it! Some of those master reel versions of Julia are blistering. I get goosbumps listening to some of 'em. :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
I think Julia should've made it onto Bella Donna, not Think About it! Some of those master reel versions of Julia are blistering. I get goosbumps listening to some of 'em. :nod: "Julia" from those sessions is absolutely amazing... and the song in general is right up there with my all-time favorite Stevie tunes.

"When I run thru your door, I am free from my slavery...."
Love it. :)

I've often heard that "Julia" was denied space on both 'Bella Donna' and 'The Wild Heart' because Jimmy Iovine hated the song, and blocked its inclusion. Apparently he refused to even be involved in the production on either version.
Talk about poor judgement!

I know Stevie's been blamed sometimes for not always picking the strongest tracks for her subsequent albums, but I bet it was a nice feeling for her to (mostly) be able to include songs she wanted to include.
Of course, someone should have told her that the world could have done without "Docklands"....! :laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
"Julia" from those sessions is absolutely amazing... and the song in general is right up there with my all-time favorite Stevie tunes.

"When I run thru your door, I am free from my slavery...."
Love it. :)

I've often heard that "Julia" was denied space on both 'Bella Donna' and 'The Wild Heart' because Jimmy Iovine hated the song, and blocked its inclusion. Apparently he refused to even be involved in the production on either version.
Talk about poor judgement!

I know Stevie's been blamed sometimes for not always picking the strongest tracks for her subsequent albums, but I bet it was a nice feeling for her to (mostly) be able to include songs she wanted to include.
Of course, someone should have told her that the world could have done without "Docklands"....! :laugh:

And the rest of that album! :laugh:

Seriously, Julia is an amazing song. If Iovine poo-pooed it, he got pretty lousy taste and I'd love to see what other songs she borught to the table that were shooed away. Her vocals on that song (every take!) are breathtaking. Everything is perfect. And if Iovine had nothing to do with its production, whoever did deserves lots of praise. :nod:

However, I would've loved to see his reaction to her offering up "Dial The Number" or "Don't Treat Me Like A Stranger." I suspect he would've quit. :laugh:

:wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by chiliD
("Go Your Own Way" was released in) DECEMBER?!?! I could've sworn I bought it in October (just a couple of weeks after my semester started; and, right after I had just started working in a record store). That's always a possibility, chili. I was quoting the release date given in various books and online sites, but that doesn't mean it's 100% accurate.

Of course, it's hard to imagine them releasing the single over four months before the album, but things were sometimes done a little differently back then.

We need an EXTENSIVE, exhaustively researched history book about the Mac's recordings, and album & single releases... something to clear up the various inconsistencies, inaccuracies and urban legends, presented by other sources.

The Peter Lewry book is good, but if the band would actually let him, or someone else, have access to their archives, we could have something even better.

It'll be interesting to see exactly how detailed the liner notes will be for these remastered discs, and if they'll actually include session info, etc.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
Seriously, Julia is an amazing song. If Iovine poo-pooed it, he got pretty lousy taste and I'd love to see what other songs she borught to the table that were shooed away. Her vocals on that song (every take!) are breathtaking. Everything is perfect. And if Iovine had nothing to do with its production, whoever did deserves lots of praise.I believe Gordon Perry & Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers produced the 'Bella Donna' session versions, and Perry produced the 'Wild Heart' session versions himself. David O. might be able to correct that information, if I'm mistaken.

One of my favorite aspects regarding the "sound" of "Julia," is the prominent use of piano... which is something that's been missing from Stevie's releases for far too long.

Anyway, I don't mean to hijack this thread and turn it into a discussion of "Julia"... so back to those reissues!!! :D

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by JamieSPC
Don't mean to snipe at you guys, but we should probably make the point that the best part of this whole thing is that all these "tracks that have been around forever and are no big deal or no surprise" etc. etc. etc. will now finally be legally available.

That seems pretty cool to me. :nod:That's definitely the other great thing about these releases... folks like John (wetcamelfood), who've never collected unofficial releases, will finally be able to hear and enjoy what so many other fans have already had the opportunity to hear.

And the band will finally get royalty payments on these tracks. :nod:


By the way, where are you John?? You're way too silent!

[Livia]

This is the best frggin' news I've heard all week! It's been a particularly sh*tty week for me, but looks like 2004 is proving to be another "Year of the Mac." :D

[David]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I believe Gordon Perry & Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers produced the 'Bella Donna' session versions, and Perry produced the 'Wild Heart' session versions himself. David O. might be able to correct that information, if I'm mistaken. Apparently, Petty & the Heartbreakers weren't involved at all. Stevie did a bunch of studio work with them during breaks in the Tusk tour (January & April 1980), but not much afterward, probably because they were recording their own album "Hard Promises." "Julia" was tracked at Rumbo during the first few weeks of June 1981. The reel boxes list Iovine as the producer & Shelly Yakus & Don Smith as 1st & 2nd engineer, respectively. No reference is made of Gordon Perry's involvement.

I know it's the norm to refer to the "Bella Donna" version of "Julia" & the "Wild Heart" version, but I don't think any conclusive evidence supports the existence of a "Wild Heart" version. I myself never thought the so-called "Wild Heart" version was done for "Wild Heart"; to me, it sounds like the '81 versions. I think it was only fans (like Mike Bise & Debby DeStefano) through the years who said that "Julia" was recorded for both albums (& not used for either one, obviously). All I've heard from them is that they based this belief solely on Stevie's vocal sounding different on the alleged "Wild Heart" version. What do you guys think?

Maybe, in the future, somebody with Web space will create a page filled with all the info that can be lifted from the reel-to-reel boxes (producers, recording dates, studios, track sheets, engineers) as well as from other sources, like press cuttings & interviews. It would provide a hell of a timeline, something that Peter Lewry purported to have done but actually didn't. Lewry's book isn't just periodically off track but fairly consistently (during the 1975-1987 portion) filled with shameful guesswork & egregious errors. You can't write a book that purports to be an authoritative source on the recording sessions if you never obtained actual access to studio files, etc., & it's obvious Lewry had no access to studio files, only the guesswork of fans, regardless of how accurate that sometimes proves to be.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by David
Apparently, Petty & the Heartbreakers weren't involved at all.
"Julia" was tracked at Rumbo during the first few weeks of June 1981. The reel boxes list Iovine as the producer & Shelly Yakus & Don Smith as 1st & 2nd engineer, respectively. No reference is made of Gordon Perry's involvement.Wow... see, I didn't know all of that! I've never had a chance to see the info from the reel-to-reel boxes, so I was only going by what I've been told or read elsewhere.
Further evidence of those inaccuracies and urban legends I was talking about it!

I have a version of "Julia" that is credited as being 'Wild Heart' era, and it definitely sounds different from any of the various takes that have surfaced over this past year, but... having said that... there really isn't anything about the track that makes it seem like it couldn't have also been recorded around the time of 'Bella Donna.' Not even Stevie's voice, which really wasn't that drastically different between 'Bella Donna' and 'The Wild Heart.'

I totally agree with you, that it would be a huge asset to the fan community if someone could put all of the master reel info on one site... we definitely need something like this, to help clear up a lot of the misinformation that's out there.

The best part of Peter Lewry's book is that it provides one-stop-shopping for a lot of the info that you'd otherwise be spending hours or days trying to find across the internet (if you found it at all)... but he definitely didn't get everything right.
Of course, I don't really fault him entirely for that, since he didn't have the cooperation of Fleetwood Mac or Warner Bros.

I think the most annoying mistakes, are the crediting of "Make Me A Mask" as a 'Mirage' outtake, and the listing of "Family Party" as an outtake song from the 'Tango' sessions, when all it really is, is another dub mix of "Family Man."
Errors which, with just a tiny bit more research, could have been corrected.

[dissention]

Originally posted by David
I know it's the norm to refer to the "Bella Donna" version of "Julia" & the "Wild Heart" version, but I don't think any conclusive evidence supports the existence of a "Wild Heart" version. I myself never thought the so-called "Wild Heart" version was done for "Wild Heart"; to me, it sounds like the '81 versions. I think it was only fans (like Mike Bise & Debby DeStefano) through the years who said that "Julia" was recorded for both albums (& not used for either one, obviously). All I've heard from them is that they based this belief solely on Stevie's vocal sounding different on the alleged "Wild Heart" version. What do you guys think?

I don't think it was done for TWH. None of the master reels contain any that were worked on then (or dated after the BD sessions, for that matter), so I'd be surprised if it was. :)

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew


One of my favorite aspects regarding the "sound" of "Julia," is the prominent use of piano... which is something that's been missing from Stevie's releases for far too long.

:D

I agree. I really missed the piano on Smile At You.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by David
Lindsey's been mixing a live album of the Chicago show with Mark Needham at a place in Malibu. He's scheduled to continue mixing tomorrow (Friday) night.

You never know whether a project will get canned -- particularly if it's Lindsey's -- but at this point we can probably expect a live album from that Soundstage gig.

A DVD would be great, too, because he played cool things like "Red Rover" & "Steal Your Heart Away."

Cool - thanks for posting that. I wonder if they are going vocal overdubs? Also, we are fortunate in that this show was taped in one night. So, unlike the The Dance, which was taken from three nights, Stevie's tambourine will be the same throughout the song :laugh:

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Am I the only one who doesn't collect demos like crazy around here? I have maybe a handful. I don't have the patience to listen to them. But I keep hearing about this The Dealer. Is it available on a site somewhere?

out the "yin-yang", But the ratio of demos to the live recordings I own is paltry at best...I'm guessing I have about 8 live recordings (Maybe more) to each demo disc.

Originally posted by chiliD
It's like with the Grateful Dead & the Allman Bros Band. So many recordings are freely shared, that they just have to finally give in and give 'em an official "stamp of approval"[/B]

Very true...Some of the best recordings I have are "unofficially" released recordings that have been freely traded about (ie-Any of the 4 U2 Dublin, Ireland-"The Point Depot" Dec '89 shows w/special guest B.B. King)

I wished the Mac would give their blessings to the recordings of the shows that are floating around...

Brian j.

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
folks like John (wetcamelfood), who've never collected unofficial releases, will finally be able to hear and enjoy what so many other fans have already had the opportunity to hear.

Well, what I collect is perhaps a little bigger a spectrum than this sounds. To some, "unofficial" isn't necessarily "bootleg", like the PG era Boston Tea Party tapes, which you can get in most retail chains, so I personally consider those "legal", whereas something like "Almanac" I consider a "bootleg" though I know others may consider the Tea Party stuff "bootleg" or whatever and really, I applaud you guys for doing the download thing, I think it's cool how the Mac community has been able to share all this stuff with little incident, I think we are very fortunate to have the generally caring, generous fan base that we do which I'm sure fans of other bands/artists unfortunately don't have. :)

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
By the way, where are you John?? You're way too silent!

Sorry Johnny, I've been busy at a new job I've just started but hopefully I'll be able to post more soon when things calm down a little bit. :) Oddly, I had a, uh, "disagreement" (?) with someone here a few weeks ago, funnily enough, about the "bootleg/legal" issue, and without going in to it here, I've been feeling uneasy about coming back to post again but I'm sure I'll get my confidence back and join in to the talk again when the releases do appear. :)

Yeah, this is cool, I guess I'm being reserved in that I don't want to get excited about the 18/21 being all "previously unreleased" as the remaster of the 1975 album, though "expanded", sounds to have little in the way of "new" tracks, I'm not big on the "different mixes" myself but I know there's audiophiles here that really dig 'em and that's a great field I wish I had the touch for. :)

Anyways, though there are undoubtedly going to be at least some "new to me" tracks on these, I'd rather think that there won't be many, so if there does turn out to be a bunch, then KEWL! :) ...but if it is mainly just "single mixes" or whatever, then no big deal, it's what I prepared myself for. :)

I just hope they don't do the old trick of labeling the tracks on the outside as different "versions" (to get you to go and buy them) and then you get it home, open it up and see on the inside, or even worse, hear for yourself, that they're nothing but different "mixes", as to me, there is a BIG difference between a different MIX and VERSION, but heck, they'd have their money by then so what would they care, you know? Well, hopefully it'll be above board and worth it when they finally do start hitting the streets. :)

Like ChiliD says, it'll be interesting to see when they start "rolling out the REST of them" what THOSE entail, as I think that will be the true sign if Rhino (or whoever) is going to take the WHOLE project seriously, or if they're going to just make a big deal out of these albums and then have next to nothing on "the rest". Fingers and toes crossed anyways that it's the former. :)

John

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
So, unlike the The Dance, which was taken from three nights, Stevie's tambourine will be the same throughout the song :laugh:

:laugh:

In all seriousness, I wonder whether she brought it onstage for Lindsey's Soundstage? I'd imagine not, and then in that case it would have to be one of the few concerts she's done without a tambourine you'd think.

EDIT: John! Good to, er, 'see' you again, mate :) Stick around!

[Cammie]

:wavey: THANKS to David for the really great
Mac News! Glad someone shares with us
"uninformed" what is going on! Especially
for us Lindsey Fans...the latest LB News!!!
We are awaiting TUSK and L's Soundstage!
The demos keep us happy for now!Luv,Sky;)

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Am I the only one who doesn't collect demos like crazy around here? I have maybe a handful. I don't have the patience to listen to them. But I keep hearing about this The Dealer. Is it available on a site somewhere?

I have the acapella version posted on my site:

http://www.allkingshorses.net/page14.html

[chiliD]

Originally posted by wetcamelfood
Like ChiliD says, it'll be interesting to see when they start "rolling out the REST of them" what THOSE entail, as I think that will be the true sign if Rhino (or whoever) is going to take the WHOLE project seriously, or if they're going to just make a big deal out of these albums and then have next to nothing on "the rest". Fingers and toes crossed anyways that it's the former. :)

John

Hi, John, nice to see you back among the "posting". :laugh:

So, is your new job with Rhino compiling the re-releases? (like we volunteered to do for them many moons ago)

Yep, the Bare Trees, Future Games, Kiln House, Penguin, Mystery To Me, Heroes Are Hard To Find & Time albums are my main interest in this Rhino remastering project. Let's hope they keep interested enough to get through these albums, too.

[golden braid]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
The Peter Lewry book is good, but if the band would actually let him, or someone else, have access to their archives, we could have something even better.

What is the Peter Lewry book?

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by golden braid
What is the Peter Lewry book? Peter Lewry's book is called 'Fleetwood Mac: The Complete Recording Sessions, 1967-1997.' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0713727241/thepenguinA/)

As I'm sure you read in this thread, it's not without its flaws, but I still think it's a good book to own. :)

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by wetcamelfood
Sorry Johnny, I've been busy at a new job I've just started but hopefully I'll be able to post more soon when things calm down a little bit. :) Oddly, I had a, uh, "disagreement" (?) with someone here a few weeks ago, funnily enough, about the "bootleg/legal" issue, and without going in to it here, I've been feeling uneasy about coming back to post again but I'm sure I'll get my confidence back and join in to the talk again when the releases do appear. :)Congratulations on the new job, John!
Sorry that you've been uncomfortable to post here recently because of the disagreement you had, but I hope you don't let it stop you from speaking your mind.

Take it from me, it's not fun to find yourself in a disagreement with someone, but we all have our opinions and should be allowed to express them... so never hesitate to do just that! :)

We value your input around here, and I for one have definitely noticed your absence. So don't be a stranger, please. :)Originally posted by wetcamelfood
Yeah, this is cool, I guess I'm being reserved in that I don't want to get excited about the 18/21 being all "previously unreleased" as the remaster of the 1975 album, though "expanded", sounds to have little in the way of "new" tracks, I'm not big on the "different mixes" myself but I know there's audiophiles here that really dig 'em and that's a great field I wish I had the touch for. :)One thing we have going for us in regards to 'Rumours,' is that none of the singles were remixed for radio, like the 'Fleetwood Mac' singles were... but i'm sure some of those bonus tracks will still be alternate mixes of some sort.

I'm lucky in that I eat up those kinds of things, so I'm sure to be pleased no matter what type of bonus tracks they include. :)

Hopefully everyone else will be pleased too.

[estranged4life]

when "Mirage" is reissued just as to finally have a copy without the annoyingly low volume level that the current cd suffers from...Am I the only person who has this problem?

Brian j.

[chiliD]

My copy is the same...have to turn it up about 5 notches more than any other CD I own. :mad:

Any bets that "Cool Water", "Goodbye Angel" & "Teen Beat" are among the bonus tracks?

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by chiliD
is your new job with Rhino compiling the re-releases? (like we volunteered to do for them many moons ago)

HA! I wish, nah just a plain old office job is all. :)

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Congratulations on the new job, John!

Thanks fo the congrats Johnny Stew. :)

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Sorry that you've been uncomfortable to post here recently because of the disagreement you had, but I hope you don't let it stop you from speaking your mind.

Take it from me, it's not fun to find yourself in a disagreement with someone, but we all have our opinions and should be allowed to express them... so never hesitate to do just that! :)

We value your input around here, and I for one have definitely noticed your absence. So don't be a stranger, please. :)

Yeah, well it's not that I wouldn't stick to my opinion when posting (as you know I do) but it just becomes a hard decision as to whether I should post or not if the "other person" tries to say I said THEY said things that they didn't (which I didn't). This then prolongs the process and as a result, posting, which should be a fun experience, becomes work, as you try and stay on track with the discussion only to find out that they were "offended" by me just stating my opinion, wanting them to simply respect my opinion (like you say, it's something we all want) and trying to respect theirs (as I never wanted them to "think like me" but I guess differing with their opinion was upsetting in some way). :rolleyes:

Anyways, not to worry, I will "do just that" and I won't be a stranger very soon, and thanks again for the compliments (blush). :)

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
One thing we have going for us in regards to 'Rumours,' is that none of the singles were remixed for radio, like the 'Fleetwood Mac' singles were... but i'm sure some of those bonus tracks will still be alternate mixes

I'm hoping this theory of yours is right, I guess now that I think of it, I do hope they include the original album mix of "I know I'm not wrong" on the "Tusk" CD reissue but anyways, I just hope they don't mess with the mix on the remastering, thus putting together a NEW mix but passing it off as a "single mix" (or a different "version" as said before).

The cardinal sin is if they pull an Ozzy Osbourne and rerecord drums and bass and stick those on the remastered CD's rather than leaving the original rhythm tracks "as is", but I'll stop giving Mick some ideas here and end this post now and I'll just hope justice is done on these remasters. :)

John

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by estranged4life
when "Mirage" is reissued just as to finally have a copy without the annoyingly low volume level that the current cd suffers from...Am I the only person who has this problem?


Originally posted by chiliD
My copy is the same...have to turn it up about 5 notches more than any other CD I own. :mad:

Not that it matters with the remasters coming "soon" (hopefully of the other FM CD's such as "Mirage" etc.) but I think this "quiet CD syndrome" that "Mirage" suffers from is only present in the US copies, as I got one from the UK and though it doesn't exactly blast my doors off, it's definitely an improvment on the US version of the current CD issue of "Mirage", if that's of any help to anyone. :)

John

[wetcamelfood]

Thanks Sharon :) and yeah, and I know what you mean, it's like they've changed their mind about what they liked about the recordings when they originally released them and want to go back and "change history" or something but whatever, hopefully our beloved recordings escape this kind of treatment unscathed. :)

John

[stefan]

Originally posted by trackaghost
I'm desperate for the original mix of I Know I'm Not Wrong. The CD version doesn't compare in my opinion.

Sharon, finally someone else who notices the difference and dislikes the result! I know I`m not wrong was one of my favs on the vinyl and I was really disappointed by the CD version...

As for the Mirage CD, if there will be one... Teen beat is not really a song imo. It`s a fragment, an idea to play around with a la try and error. They better leave things like that out because to me it will cheapen the remaster CD. If they really have finished songs to chose I will be happy to see them included and as we have seen with Silver springs (compared to some songs that finally made it on the original) there could be some fine things in the shelves. However- concerning the large number of new tracks mentioned... I too believe that there simply will be alternate versions from the already existing and published songs f.e. IKINWRong in both versions and so on. I will be the first one to state happily that I was wrong when it`s different...

[Jason T.]

This is incredible news to hear after so many proposed release days and setbacks. Problem is, now I need to find a way to get the money for these reissues. What to do?

Anyway, I'm just excited to hear what is going to be on the Tusk reissue. I mean, I've been praying so long for them to do something special with "Brown Eyes," and there has to be with 21 extra tracks!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I'm so excited.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by estranged4life
(I'll be glad) when "Mirage" is reissued just as to finally have a copy without the annoyingly low volume level that the current cd suffers from...Am I the only person who has this problem?When I first got my copy of the 'Mirage' CD, I thought there was something wrong with it, so I took it back and exchanged it.
Boy, was I disappointed when I realized that it was just poorly transferred. :(

A while back, I downloaded a program called MP3Gain (http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/), and I used it to "remaster" 'Mirage' and burn my own copy.

It actually sounds pretty great, and will definitely suffice until Rhino gets around to an official release.

(By the way, that program is fantastic when you want to make compilations... with just a few simple steps, you can adjust the volume levels on the various tracks, so your disc has a cohesive sound.)

[HomerMcvie]

Johnny,
I downloaded it. Dumb question now. How do I use it? If I play an MP3, is it going to automatically run through this?
thanks, david

[Johnny Stew]

Hey there, David!

No, your mp3s will still play thru whatever you have set as your default player (I use WinAMP).

To use MP3Gain, find wherever on your PC you have it saved, and open it. (If you haven't already, you'll have to run the install.)

Once it's open, you should see a screen similar to the one in the pic I've attached below (You may have downloaded a more recent version than mine, which is why I said "similar").

Once you have that up, you shouldn't have too much trouble going from there.
You just click Add Folder, to open an entire folder's worth of music (which of course you have to point the program toward, using the Browse For Folder), or you can click Add Files and then pick and choose which ones you want to work on.

The only thing I recommend doing initially, is maybe trying it out on just a few tracks, after having created backup copies of them on your hard-drive.
That way you can test which target volume suits you best. Once you've decided on that, you won't have to bother with backup copies, etc.

MP3Gain's default "normal" volume is 89.0, but I've set mine for 94.0.

Have fun with it! :)

[HomerMcvie]

So, can I drag my whole Kazaa folder into that (600+ items), or will that not work?
If I'm burning a cd, do I put the songs in MP3Gain folder, then drag them to the cd to be burned?
Thanks,
david

[littlelies7]

Originally posted by chiliD
Any bets that "Cool Water", "Goodbye Angel" & "Teen Beat" are among the bonus tracks?

They better be or Rhino is going to receive an unhappy letter from moi!

:laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by HomerMcvie
So, can I drag my whole Kazaa folder into that (600+ items), or will that not work?You're actually not dragging them in, in literal computer terms, you're just opening them (not to listen to, but to work on).

In theory, you should be able to have it open your entire KaZaA folder, but I've never tried having it open over 600 tracks at once before, so I don't know if that might cause your PC to freeze or not.
I think I'd work on only a handful of tracks at a time, if I were you... and I think the most I've done at once is about 36.Originally posted by HomerMcvie
If I'm burning a cd, do I put the songs in MP3Gain folder, then drag them to the cd to be burned?No, what you'll want to do is open the songs in MP3Gain (the way I described in my other message), set the target volume level you desire, and then choose Track Gain.

MP3Gain will then set the new volume level for each track, one at a time, until the tracks are finished.

Once you've done that, close MP3Gain, and then burn your CD using whichever program you've been using.

MP3Gain isn't an mp3 player or a CD-burner... it's only use is to adjust the overall volume level of your mp3s, so they'll have a uniform sound. :)

[CarneVaca]

Gldstwmn was kind enough to send me a version of "The Dealer," even after I mistakenly erased her first attempt thinking it was spam.

I am enjoying this song greatly.

Now I hear there's a cool version of "Julia" somewhere?

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by trackaghost
Julia can be found here:

http://www.bellaillume.com/

Or here:

http://violetandblue.homestead.com/somuchfunika.html

:)

Thank you much.

[strandinthewind]

WOW - that Bella Donna alt. version is interesting, although I like the released one way better :cool:

Thanks!!!!!!! for the sites and downloads!

[face of glass]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
When I first got my copy of the 'Mirage' CD, I thought there was something wrong with it, so I took it back and exchanged it.
Boy, was I disappointed when I realized that it was just poorly transferred. :(

Isn't there this Ken Caillat anecdote that goes as following: when the first cd pressing of Rumours was released he noticed way too late that the sound was subpar on it. So when he went in to do the second pressing, he wanted to put a sticker on it that said "This isn't the same piece of sh*t that was in the stores before". But my memory is shady on that one.

[JamieSPC]

Hey, here's a thought...

We got to hear a snippet of the original "Chain" track, "Keep Me There," on the DVD-A. Maybe we'll get the whole thing on the reissue? Or was it ever close to being finished?

~Jamie

[chiliD]

Originally posted by stefan
Teen beat is not really a song imo. It`s a fragment, an idea to play around with a la try and error


No. "Teen Beat" is a cover of a 1959 hit song by Sandy Nelson. Lindsey changed the arrangement quite a bit, however.

[dissention]

Originally posted by JamieSPC
Hey, here's a thought...

We got to hear a snippet of the original "Chain" track, "Keep Me There," on the DVD-A. Maybe we'll get the whole thing on the reissue? Or was it ever close to being finished?

~Jamie

You can find a full version of "Keep Me There" on many bootlegs and they are mostly good quality. :)

[marc402]

I jumped out of my seat when i read this
in the yahoo stevieclub i hang out
i mean i was already happy with them just as remasters
(due to as many of you already mentioned the poor sound quality and the butchering of sara and i know i'm not wrong on tusk)
but to have em with all these extras aswell !!!
I NEED TO LAY DOWN ;)
b.t.w. my mirage is a european pressing but it is also not that good. (don't have the american pressing to compair though)

What is this i read on timespace
i never noticed any remixing on it
can anyone tell me more about this ??

greetings marc

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by marc402
What is this i read on timespace
i never noticed any remixing on it
can anyone tell me more about this ??Hi Marc,

Several of the songs on 'Timespace' were subtly remixed by Chris Lord-Alge, to "freshen them up" a little.

He remixed "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," "Stand Back," Beauty And The Beast," "If Anyone Falls," "Rooms On Fire," "Edge Of Seventeen," "Leather And Lace" and "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You."
(His brother, Tom Lord-Alge, had previously remixed "Whole Lotta Trouble" when it was released as a single, and that version was also included on 'Timespace.')

I'm really not sure why folks complain about those mixes... the songs weren't drastically changed, just tweaked a little. Plus, it gave us something a little different, rather than just a simple re-hash of the exact same versions we already had on the albums.
But then, I'm a fan of alternate mixes, etc., so maybe that's why I liked it. :)

[strandinthewind]

I heard no difference in the songs on Timespace. :eek: :confused: Such is life :cool:

[marc402]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Hi Marc,

Several of the songs on 'Timespace' were subtly remixed by Chris Lord-Alge, to "freshen them up" a little.

He remixed "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," "Stand Back," Beauty And The Beast," "If Anyone Falls," "Rooms On Fire," "Edge Of Seventeen," "Leather And Lace" and "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You."
(His brother, Tom Lord-Alge, had previously remixed "Whole Lotta Trouble" when it was released as a single, and that version was also included on 'Timespace.')

I'm really not sure why folks complain about those mixes... the songs weren't drastically changed, just tweaked a little. Plus, it gave us something a little different, rather than just a simple re-hash of the exact same versions we already had on the albums.
But then, I'm a fan of alternate mixes, etc., so maybe that's why I liked it. :)

thanx for the very quick reply johnny stew
i think i never heard it because i basically bought al of stevie's solo stuff within 3 months
so it was all new for me than (before 99 i never heard a single solo song (or any of the other band members for that matter.
but if they would do this remixing (even if it is subtle with either SYW or TISL i WOULD notice as i bought both albums on the day of release and know them by heart ;) ;)

and strandinthewind glad i wasn't the only one :p

greetings marc

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I heard no difference in the songs on Timespace. :eek: :confused: Such is life :cool: A friend of mine razzes me all the time, because she can never hear the differences in radio remixes either.
We'll be in the car, with the radio on, and I'll say, "Ooh, I like this version!" and she'll just roll her eyes at me because she couldn't tell the difference if her life depended on it.

Anyway, like i said, the 'Timespace' mixes are all pretty subtle... but if you listen closely, you can tell the difference. :)

[marc402]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
A friend of mine razzes me all the time, because she can never hear the differences in radio remixes either.
We'll be in the car, with the radio on, and I'll say, "Ooh, I like this version!" and she'll just roll her eyes at me because she couldn't tell the difference if her life depended on it.

well i for one are not that bad lol
i mean rhiannon, say you will and over my head for example are pretty obvious ;)
i will compare the timespace tracks see if i can hear when i pay atention to it

greetings marc

[stefan]

Originally posted by chiliD
No. "Teen Beat" is a cover of a 1959 hit song by Sandy Nelson. Lindsey changed the arrangement quite a bit, however.
Thanks for the info ChiliD, I just listened to the original. The end btw reminds me of the ending of another Lindsey or FM song. He seems to have gotten some inspiration by that one. Unfortunately I can't name it by now. Tusk era perhaps I have to listen to some tracks to tell... Concerning the song Teen beat. The Lindsey version with a lot of muttering and groaning but no real vocals still is a song fragment to me. Aborted work in progress. Just like "Wear you down" which has the potential of getting a great song if he puts some work in it to finish. He either should have left "Teen beat" as an instrumental track or he should have added some real lyrics to it. I sometimes think there were good reasons when artists left certain songs out of their albums and songs like "Goodbye angel", "Make me a mask" (at least these are finished songs) and especially "Teen beat" fall under that categorie for me.

[Jason T.]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Anyway, like i said, the 'Timespace' mixes are all pretty subtle... but if you listen closely, you can tell the difference. :)

Are you serious? I've never noticed a difference either. I still have a long way to go before I get to that level of Fleetwood Mac fan worship. Strangely enough, I look forward to it.

[BigAl84]

the timespace version of stand back is sooooo superior to the original album version. It sounds much better, compare the two. You'll hear the difference

[stefan]

Originally posted by stefan
Thanks for the info ChiliD, I just listened to the original. The end btw reminds me of the ending of another Lindsey or FM song. He seems to have gotten some inspiration by that one. Unfortunately I can't name it by now. Tusk era perhaps I have to listen to some tracks to tell...
And the winner is... Deep dense

[Vianna]

Best news I've heard in weeks!!!!!:blob2: :blob2:

Can't wait!!!!

Even those of us who have some of these unreleased tracks via trading etc don't have digitally remastered tracks-this is so cool!!