SOTU Address Thread [Archive]

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 09:30 PM

Let's see:

Gay people are the source of your problems America - so vote for me and I'll take care of them! I mean who the hell do you black - I mean Er a you gay people think you are? - Trying to be normal like "us" - Please!!! In the Lord's name, go back in the closet and don't bother us anymore with your sick, sin filled, promiscuous lifestyle! What - Oh my brother - Well, I mean, he didn't know those were call girls and its not a really, really most hugest kind of sin unless you do it in this country, get caught, and/or are gay! Again, gay people are going to burn in hell no matter what. But, we straight/WASP people can screw around all we want because we are the chosen ones. Therefore, do not mind that the same language that damns blacks - I mean Er a - gays to eternal hell also damns any adulterer, that book does not apply to us.

On the other stuff, yes Iraq had a program to develop WMD, Yes the world agreed about it, but I refuse to answer why I alleged knowingly false information to the American public and the world to make my case more compelling so that non-believers would believe me. I mean PUUHHHLLEEEZZZEEEE - after we invaded them, I said I should not have used it. What else do want from me?

_____________________

Actually - I think W should have said SH was a fag - thereby making the hypocritical religious right hate him even more on an assinine grounds :mad:

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:10 PM

What a bastard.

He practically said that gay people are the root of some of our problems in America. He actually believes that abstinence programs will work. He actually believes that the majority of the country is agaisnt gay marriages. AND he believes that his joke of a program entitled "No Child Left Behind" is a good thing.

He has no clue.

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Let's see:

Gay people are the source of your problems America - so vote for me and I'll take care of them! I mean who the hell do you black - I mean Er a you gay people think you are? - Trying to be normal like "us" - Please!!! In the Lord's name, go back in the closet and don't bother us anymore with your sick, sin filled, promiscuous lifestyle! What - Oh my brother - Well, I mean, he didn't know those were call girls and its not a really, really most hugest kind of sin unless you do it in this country, get caught, and/or are gay! Again, gay people are going to burn in hell no matter what. But, we straight/WASP people can screw around all we want because we are the chosen ones. Therefore, do not mind that the same language that damns blacks - I mean Er a - gays to eternal hell also damns any adulterer, that book does not apply to us.

On the other stuff, yes Iraq had a program to develop WMD, Yes the world agreed about it, but I refuse to answer why I alleged knowingly false information to the American public and the world to make my case more compelling so that non-believers would believe me. I mean PUUHHHLLEEEZZZEEEE - after we invaded them, I said I should not have used it. What else do want from me?

_____________________

Actually - I think W should have said SH was a fag - thereby making the hypocritical religious right hate him even more on an assinine grounds :mad:

You said it.

Bush is a hateful, self-righteous man that I detest more and more. He is just hateful.

Also...

Drug testing should not be done in schools. Government funds should not be made available to churches.

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Let's see:

Gay people are the source of your problems America - so vote for me and I'll take care of them!

You didn't mention Clinton's Executive Order of 1996 - guess that was okay. Ever see the Catholic Tom Daschle squirm on this subject? It's quite amusing.

By the way, I do support domestic partnerships and happen to be a Republican. Many of my friends don't understand how that can be, but does anyone believe 100% in the rhetoric their party spews? I don't. I just happen to side with the Republicans on most issues.

~Krista~

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:14 PM

My thing is teach abstinence all you want because that really is the only way not to get AIDS, pregnant, etc. through sex. But, also realize that while some people may hopefully buy that concept and apply it in their lives, many if not the vast majority will not no matter how many billions of $$$ you put into teaching it. Therefore, teach other ave. of less safe but far more practicle procedures (condoms, monogamy, etc.). This at least gives kids a chance.

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
My thing is teach abstinence all you want because that really is the only way not to get AIDS, pregnant, etc. through sex. But, also realize that while some people may hopefully buy that concept and apply it in their lives, many if not the vast majority will not no matter how many billions of $$$ you put into teaching it. Therefore, teach other ave. of less safe but far more practicle procedures (condoms, monogamy, etc.). This at least gives kids a chance.

They need to trash the teaching of abstinence. These days, kids are very sexual and they will not stop fooling around. Screw the abstinence education and pass out spermicide and condoms.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
You didn't mention Clinton's Executive Order of 1996 - guess that was okay. Ever see the Catholic Tom Daschle squirm on this subject? It's quite amusing.

By the way, I do support domestic partnerships and happen to be a Republican. Many of my friends don't understand how that can be, but does anyone believe 100% in the rhetoric their party spews? I don't. I just happen to side with the Republicans on most issues.

~Krista~

I am unsure which Executive Order that was. If you are suggesting that the D are just as bad on the subject of gay marriage, you are correct in that the Defense of Marriage Act overwhelmingly passed with bipartisan support.

I do know, however, that Bill Clinton signed an Executive Order making it illegal to fire a govt. employee solely on the grounds that they are gay. To his credit, W has not rescinded that Order. Also, I do not think W is against gay people per se. I just think he has run out of demons to point to in an attempt to rally his conservative far right religious base. So, he selects gay people because he knows gay people are hated (I know of no other adequate word) by the conservative far right religious base. Notice, btw that W cleverly did not mention civil unions. He, and more importantly Karl Rove, will let the talk show guests right now address that.

Finally, I agree, the SOTU is a big pow wow about stuff few actually believe.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by dissention
They need to trash the teaching of abstinence. These days, kids are very sexual and they will not stop fooling around. Screw the abstinence education and pass out spermicide and condoms.

Well, I think they should at least mention it. Why not. After all, that is the only sure fire way. But, I agree - hand out the condoms, etc.

BTW - I am for drug testing in schools.

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:23 PM

Did you see Ted Kennedy when they cut to him early in the speech? He shook his head and rolled his eyes. :laugh:

All of the Democrats look bored (as did Condie Rice, actually) and sat while the Republicans gave 589 standing ovations.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Did you see Ted Kennedy when they cut to him early in the speech? He shook his head and rolled his eyes. :laugh:

All of the Democrats look bored (as did Condie Rice, actually) and sat while the Republicans gave 589 standing ovations.

I know a friend emailed me a pic of Teddy rolling his eyes LMAO.

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by dissention
He actually believes that abstinence programs will work.

Now, I didn't hear that at all.

He wants to increase education in this area. What is the big deal? How can you argue with the fact that IT IS THE ONLY WAY to prevent pregnancy and STDs?

Unlike some conservatives, I think it is good to have education on all these things, including providing condoms. I don't stick my head in the sand and pretend that if I don't talk about it, it won't happen.

Kids are gonna do what they are gonna do. Parents need to take a more active role in this type of education for their kids. Lord knows, I didn't get it from my parents!

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Well, I think they should at least mention it. Why not. After all, that is the only sure fire way. But, I agree - hand out the condoms, etc.

BTW - I am for drug testing in schools.

Oh, they should mention it. But what they want to do is ditch the safe sex education and focus only on abstinence; that's a big mistake.

As for drug testing in schools, I don't support it. I think it's an invasion of privacy that should not be conducted by a school and it's staff.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Lord knows, I didn't get it from my parents!

:laugh: The only thing my Dad ever told me was to put a raincoat on it and if I got any disease (this was pre-AIDS) come to him and not my mother :laugh:

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I am unsure which Executive Order that was. If you are suggesting that the D are just as bad on the subject of gay marriage, you are correct in that the Defense of Marriage Act overwhelmingly passed with bipartisan support.

I do know, however, that Bill Clinton signed an Executive Order making it illegal to fire a govt. employee solely on the grounds that they are gay. To his credit, W has not rescinded that Order. Also, I do not think W is against gay people per se. I just think he has run out of demons to point to in an attempt to rally his conservative far right religious base. So, he selects gay people because he knows gay people are hated (I know of no other adequate word) by the conservative far right religious base. Notice, btw that W cleverly did not mention civil unions. He, and more importantly Karl Rove, will let the talk show guests right now address that.

Finally, I agree, the SOTU is a big pow wow about stuff few actually believe.

You make some good points. :nod:
I realize the religious right makes up a large number of Republicans, but it's not all of us. :)

~Krista

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I know a friend emailed me a pic of Teddy rolling his eyes LMAO.

Send it to me!

Pretty please?

I'll put it in my sig. :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:27 PM

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:laugh: The only thing my Dad ever told me was to put a raincoat on it and if I got any disease (this was pre-AIDS) come to him and not my mother :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh:

My mother took me to lunch in 8th grade to tell me about "the birds and the bees". :rolleyes:

She had barely choked out those words when I told her that I had known what sex was since I was in first grade!:eek: And she had the nerve to look shocked! :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:28 PM

Is anyone watching the Democratic rebuttals right now? They're fab. :D

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Oh, they should mention it. But what they want to do is ditch the safe sex education and focus only on abstinence; that's a big mistake.

As for drug testing in schools, I don't support it. I think it's an invasion of privacy that should not be conducted by a school and it's staff.

Sorry - I thought you were saying don't even teach abstinence. ;)

I thjnk the drug testing should be done in situations like sports, erradic behavior, probable cause, etc. I do not support random drug testing although I am not vehemently opposed to it as the govt. does have a legitimate interest in ensuring kids attend school in a drug free environment. I mean, the school can search a locker . . .

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
You make some good points. :nod:
I realize the religious right makes up a large number of Republicans, but it's not all of us. :)

~Krista

:eek: EEK :eek:

I just re read that. I did not mean the tone as harsh. Sorry if it came off that way :wavey:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Send it to me!

Pretty please?

I'll put it in my sig. :laugh:

I already deleted it. I will see if I can get it back.

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I think the drug testing should be done in situations like sports, erradic behavior, probable cause, etc. I do not support random drug testing although I am not vehemently opposed to it as the govt. does have a legitimate interest in ensuring kids attend school in a drug free environment. I mean, the school can search a locker . . .

I agree. Schools have tested those in "extra-curricular" activities for awhile now.

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I thjnk the drug testing should be done in situations like sports, erradic behavior, probable cause, etc. I do not support random drug testing although I am not vehemently opposed to it as the govt. does have a legitimate interest in ensuring kids attend school in a drug free environment. I mean, the school can search a locker . . .

Searching a locker and testing someones piss is quite different. :laugh:

I am vehemently opposed to school drug testing. I think in certain cases (like the ones you mentioned), the parents should have the power to have drug tests taken. Not the school; it's not their place.

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I know a friend emailed me a pic of Teddy rolling his eyes LMAO.

LOL! That was pretty funny.

~Krista

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:eek: EEK :eek:

I just re read that. I did not mean the tone as harsh. Sorry if it came off that way :wavey:

I know, good lord. I had to do a double-take to see if I had posted it. :laugh:

:wavey:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:32 PM

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Point taken!!

I was just coming from the point of view that I think most parents would gladly allow the school to pay for the testing, etc.

Well...why not make it a tax credit? :laugh: :wavey:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by dissention
You said it.

Bush is a hateful, self-righteous man that I detest more and more. He is just hateful.

Also...

Drug testing should not be done in schools. Government funds should not be made available to churches.

23 billion dollars for drug testing in public schools? How about if we can just get them current text books and decent supplies?

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:eek: EEK :eek:

I just re read that. I did not mean the tone as harsh. Sorry if it came off that way :wavey:

I didn't think you were being harsh -- just stating your opinion. :)

~Krista

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
I didn't think you were being harsh -- just stating your opinion. :)

~Krista Phew!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sometimes when, like everyone I guess, I type real fast, I re read them and go - "I sound like jerk!" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
23 billion dollars for drug testing in public schools? How about if we can just get them current text books and decent supplies? :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Did you see Ted Kennedy when they cut to him early in the speech? He shook his head and rolled his eyes. :laugh:

All of the Democrats look bored (as did Condie Rice, actually) and sat while the Republicans gave 589 standing ovations.

Did you see Hillary? Her expression made Teddy look like Mr. Happy.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Well...why not make it a tax credit? :laugh: :wavey: Now Now - what good is a tax credit for the lower income families!?!?!? :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
23 billion dollars for drug testing in public schools? How about if we can just get them current text books and decent supplies?

Exactly.

Kerry's on TV right now talking about gay marriage.

He was one of 14 who opposed the Defense of Marriage Act. He said he personally doesn't believe in gay marriage, but that his personal views should not cloud his judgement and that he believes gays should have the right to marry because there is a seperation of church of state. :D

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Now Now - what good is a tax credit for the lower income families!?!?!? :laugh:

And since, according to Pat Robertson, low income families don't even pay taxes, there would be no point in a tax credit. :laugh:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Point taken!!

I was just coming from the point of view that I think most parents would gladly allow the school to pay for the testing, etc.

Oh you don't think the school is going to pay for it do you? No, no, the bill will go to the parents.

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Did you see Hillary? Her expression made Teddy look like Mr. Happy.

Yep! I noticed she did stand and applaud on the Saddam Hussein capture making Iraq a better place.

On a really shallow note, did anyone see Tom Brady?! Hubba hubba!!

And other shallow note, Laura Bush looked better than usual.

~Krista

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer

And other shallow note, Laura Bush looked better than usual.
I mean come on Laura - get a snappy new outfit and hair color. Actually, I like her very much despite her drabness!!!!! :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Oh you don't think the school is going to pay for it do you? No, no, the bill will go to the parents.

Oops!!!!! :D

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I mean come on Laura - get a snappy new outfit and hair color. Actually, I like her very much despite her drabness!!!!! :laugh:

Have you heard about the new book about her that's going to come out? Not very flattering...;)

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Did you see Ted Kennedy when they cut to him early in the speech? He shook his head and rolled his eyes. :laugh:

The man looked dead! Talk about no color in the cheeks :laugh:

The way he was shaking his head made me think he had Parkinson's or something.

Oh, and I loved how he sat there and fidgeted with his "waddle". :laugh: :laugh:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Exactly.

Kerry's on TV right now talking about gay marriage.

He was one of 14 who opposed the Defense of Marriage Act. He said he personally doesn't believe in gay marriage, but that his personal views should not cloud his judgement and that he believes gays should have the right to marry because there is a seperation of church of state. :D

How did you love the God Bless America closeout to the speech? BTW, there is a good article in Rolling Stone this month with Nixon's former political strategist talking about how the Bushes think they are a dynasty. You'd love it.

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Searching a locker and testing someones piss is quite different. :laugh:

I am vehemently opposed to school drug testing. I think in certain cases (like the ones you mentioned), the parents should have the power to have drug tests taken. Not the school; it's not their place.

In my school, if you played a sport, drug testing was mandatory AS IT SHOULD BE. The problem was, the students knew this and during pre-season they wouldn't do drugs. And, too bad the star athletes who also happened to be e heads were never the ones randomly drug tested during the season but me, who played soccer, was on the freakin' bowling team, never had a drug in her life, was. Well, I guess we know what market will benefit from this..."TAKE THESE AND YOUR PISS WON'T SHOW YOU USE DRUGS! WOOT." I've got news for them...if they were to random drug test EVERYONE, you wouldn't have a student body left...

I will agree. Waste of money.

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer

And other shallow note, Laura Bush looked better than usual.

~Krista

Eye job.:)

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Have you heard about the new book about her that's going to come out? Not very flattering...;) I can't imagine what they would have on her. I mean yes she accidently killed someone like 40 years ago, but by all accounts I read it was an accident. Also, wasn't she a democrat for years before changing to a R once in the Bush Clan? Finally, no one that boring could be bad :laugh:

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
And other shallow note, Laura Bush looked better than usual.
~Krista

I was thinking the same thing! I thought she looked excellent :nod:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:47 PM

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Eye job.:)

Probably true! :laugh:

~Krista

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
How did you love the God Bless America closeout to the speech? BTW, there is a good article in Rolling Stone this month with Nixon's former political strategist talking about how the Bushes think they are a dynasty. You'd love it.

I think Bush needs to can his God-speak; it's rather rude and obnoxious. I know that when he's about to spout about the Lord that the speech is over. :nod: He has his beliefs, but he needn't shove them down our throats.

And I'm going to look for that article!!!

GypsySorcerer

01-20-2004, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Also, wasn't she a democrat for years before changing to a R once in the Bush Clan?

I did read that Laura used to be a Democrat -- and I think Hillary used to be a Republican. :laugh:

~Krista

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I can't imagine what they would have on her. I mean yes she accidently killed someone like 40 years ago, but by all accounts I read it was an accident. Also, wasn't she a democrat for years before changing to a R once in the Bush Clan? Finally, no one that boring could be bad :laugh:

Supposedly, Laura hits the bottle wuite hard and has a pack-a-day smoking habit. She treats Bush like a child, tells him to leave the kids alone and let them do what they want, and she gets into fights with him over his politics (she's still a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, supposedly).

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:52 PM

Anyone take issue with what Bush said about foreign troops? If he has all these nations in a "coalition" and they've given us troops, where are they???

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Supposedly, Laura hits the bottle wuite hard and has a pack-a-day smoking habit.

:laugh: OMG - if true talk about your quite types going wild. I bet she has a Hog as well!!!!!:wavey:

I saw an interview with her on C-span right after W was Pres. She said that Willa Cather (sp.? ) was amognst her fav. American authors. The interviewer was like Willa was a lesbo. Laura Bush fired back well what does that matter. The book is not about lesbians, it is about classic American struggle and is therefore suitable for just about any age despite the orientation of its author. I shocked to hell and back :laugh:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:52 PM

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:laugh: OMG - if true talk about your quite types going wild. I bet she has a Hog as well!!!!!:wavey:

And a whip and chains.

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Supposedly, Laura hits the bottle wuite hard and has a pack-a-day smoking habit. She treats Bush like a child, tells him to leave the kids alone and let them do what they want, and she gets into fights with him over his politics (she's still a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, supposedly).

Seeing him hold that little girl tonight, I wondered what kind of a father he was.

dissention

01-20-2004, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Seeing him hold that little girl tonight, I wondered what kind of a fahter he was.

Photo-op was the only thing I could think of. :nod:

PS: Check that board I told ya about; I'm sur eit's ON FIRE at the moment. :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Seeing him hold that little girl tonight, I wondered what kind of a fahter he was.

I do not think there is any evidence W is a bad father. I mean his twins are hellions, but that can be the case despite proper parenting - look at me :laugh: Seriously, his addiction could have been during their early years and that could have been bad. But I have not heard anything about his poor parenting skills.

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I think Bush needs to can his God-speak; it's rather rude and obnoxious. I know that when he's about to spout about the Lord that the speech is over. :nod: He has his beliefs, but he needn't shove them down our throats.

I actually thought he did better than usual on this "topic". At least he tried to emcompass other religious affiliations - Jewish, Muslin, etc.

People should be able to say the word "God". It's on our money for GOD'S sake! :rolleyes:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I do not think there is any evidence W is a bad father. I mean his twins are hellions, but that can be the case despite proper parenting - look at me :laugh: Seriously, his addiction could have been during their early years and that could have been bad. But I have not heard anything about his poor parenting skills.

I wasn't saying that. I just wondered what kind of father he was. Absentee, hands on, what? I was just curious.

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I think Bush needs to can his God-speak; it's rather rude and obnoxious. I know that when he's about to spout about the Lord that the speech is over. :nod: He has his beliefs, but he needn't shove them down our throats.

And I'm going to look for that article!!!

Well then I guess we shouldn't say the pledge of allegiance. And we should take IN GOD WE TRUST off of American money :rolleyes:

No different than celebrities shoving their beliefs on God, war, and a myriad of other issues down my throat...but evidently THAT'S OKAY

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
People should be able to say the word "God". It's on our money for GOD'S sake! :rolleyes:

Oh please, based on his Lord-spouting, he must think he's a minister.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I wasn't saying that. I just wondered what kind of father he was. Absentee, hands on, what? I was just curious. Oops (my second one tonight :laugh: )

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
No different than celebrities shoving their beliefs on God, war, and a myriad of other issues down my throat...but evidently THAT'S OKAY

Celebrities are not the president.

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Celebrities are not the president.

The President is not a liberal. ;)

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:04 PM

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
The President is not a liberal. ;)

That has nothing to do with anything. Liberal or not, it is not the job of the president to "show us the way."

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by dissention
That has nothing to do with anything. Liberal or not, it is not the job of the president to "show us the way."

How did you love that group of renegade Democrats that stood up and applauded when he said the Patriot Act would go out of effect next year if they didn't vote for them to extend it. Hurrah!

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:07 PM

He can say make a little mention, but this is too much for me:

"My fellow citizens, we now move forward, with confidence and faith. Our nation is strong and steadfast. The cause we serve is right, because it is the cause of all mankind. The momentum of freedom in our world is unmistakable, and it is not carried forward by our power alone. We can trust in that greater power who guides the unfolding of the years. And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.

May God bless the United States of America. Thank you."

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
How did you love that group of renegade Democrats that stood up and applauded when he said the Patriot Act would go out of effect next year if they didn't vote for them to extend it. Hurrah!

Doll, I stood up at that point. Nothing like civil liberties compromised by renegade Republicans!

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by dissention
He can say make a little mention, but this is too much for me:

"My fellow citizens, we now move forward, with confidence and faith. Our nation is strong and steadfast. The cause we serve is right, because it is the cause of all mankind. The momentum of freedom in our world is unmistakable, and it is not carried forward by our power alone. We can trust in that greater power who guides the unfolding of the years. And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.

May God bless the United States of America. Thank you."

Yup. Doesn't exactly reach out to the Agnostic vote, does it? :)

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Oh please, based on his Lord-spouting, he must think he's a minister.

You must be confusing him with Pat Robertson or Pat Buchanan ;)

I admit that they do a bit too much, even for a "conservative" like me.

I believe in God, but I don't feel it is necessary to show it down anyone's throat. Quite the opposite. I think if people want to hear about it they will ask or will be open to it. Of course, I would NEVER want to say that God "speaks" to them, or I would be labeled a "crazy conservative extremist" :rolleyes:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Photo-op was the only thing I could think of. :nod:

PS: Check that board I told ya about; I'm sur eit's ON FIRE at the moment. :laugh:

It's hoppin'.:laugh: :wavey:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Well then I guess we shouldn't say the pledge of allegiance. And we should take IN GOD WE TRUST off of American money :rolleyes:

No different than celebrities shoving their beliefs on God, war, and a myriad of other issues down my throat...but evidently THAT'S OKAY

My only beef with the God mentions in govt. sanctioned public speech is that it is a lie. We are not one nation "under God" because they are talimg about the Christian God to the exclusion of any other God. Interestingly, that phrase was put in there in the 1950's in an attempt to ward off Communism (go figure :rolleyes: ). Originally, they wanted "One nation under Jesus," but it was thought that might exclude too many Americans. Also, I believe the Sup. Ct. has prohibited the govt. making anyone say the Plede of Allegiance as the "under God" part seemingly violates the Frist Amendment's Establishment Clause.

But, in the end, I think arguing over these references to God is a waste of time when they are vastly supported by an overwhelming majority of Americans and I think we should be concentrating of feeding the hungry, etc. Yet, the fact that the far religious right slipped in "under God" on that BS ground just irks me :laugh: Sort of like Georgia putting the conferderate flag on its state flag in the 50's as an FU to the anti-segregationist Fed. Govt. - then having the nerve 50 years later to say it was always on the flag and is just a harmless reference to Southern heritage. :rolleyes:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
It's hoppin'.:laugh: :wavey:

It certainly is!! They're my kind of people! :D

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by dissention
It certainly is!! They're my kind of people! :D

Let me at em' :laugh: :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
I believe in God, but I don't feel it is necessary to show it down anyone's throat. Quite the opposite. I think if people want to hear about it they will ask or will be open to it. Of course, I would NEVER want to say that God "speaks" to them, or I would be labeled a "crazy conservative extremist" :rolleyes:

Do *you* think God speaks to Shrub? He does.

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by dissention
That has nothing to do with anything. Liberal or not, it is not the job of the president to "show us the way."

I'm not saying that it is. I could care less if he says God once or 40 times....if it bothers you, sorry. It doesn't bother me and I wouldn't care whose mouth it came out of (no, I do not belong to any religious group). As much as we all want to believe there is a clear, definitive seperation of church and state, there never was and there never will be. And his saying GOD? Is the least of America's worries.

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Let me at em' :laugh: :laugh:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_forums

ENJOY!!!!! :D

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Do *you* think God speaks to Shrub? He does.

I do not remember reading that W thinks God actually speaks to him a la a burning bush ( :cool: )

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I'm not saying that it is. I could care less if he says God once or 40 times....if it bothers you, sorry. It doesn't bother me and I wouldn't care whose mouth it came out of (no, I do not belong to any religious group). As much as we all want to believe there is a clear, definitive seperation of church and state, there never was and there never will be. And his saying GOD? Is the least of America's worries.

It just makes his agenda more apparent. He should leave his beliefs in the church, that's all I'm saying. He doesn't need to talk about "him" and "his way" and "our lord."

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by dissention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_forums

ENJOY!!!!! :D

Good Lord I thought you, Goldie, and Carne were crazy :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I do not remember reading that W thinks God actually speaks to him a la a burning bush ( :cool: )

I do. Go to dubyaspeaks.com and you'll find it somewhere.

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Good Lord I thought you, Goldie, and Carne were crazy :laugh:

Hey! I post there! :mad:

:laugh: :wavey:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by dissention
It just makes his agenda more apparent. He should leave his beliefs in the church, that's all I'm saying. He doesn't need to talk about "him" and "his way" and "our lord."

I agree with you to an extent. But, don't all Presidents do that? I seem to remember they do, but I could be wrong. So, I do not get that upset when W does it. What I do get upset about is when he tries to shove his view of religion down the throats of people a la the $1.5 billion to teach Christian marriage :rolleyes:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I do. Go to dubyaspeaks.com and you'll find it somewhere.

Yup. The quotes are out there, I'm just to lazy to go find them.:)

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Also, I believe the Sup. Ct. has prohibited the govt. making anyone say the Plede of Allegiance as the "under God" part seemingly violates the Frist Amendment's Establishment Clause.

This is true. No one can be "forced" to say it.

Strand, I don't know what you do for a living, but you know too much about precedent setting cases to not work in the legal field :D :wavey:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Yup. The quotes are out there, I'm just to lazy to go find them.:)

He said he actually hears God speak to him?

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
What I do get upset about is when he tries to shove his view of religion down the throats of people a la the $1.5 billion to teach Christian marriage :rolleyes:

Isn't that money supposed to go to Africa to help fight AIDs? That was another whopper.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
This is true. No one can be "forced" to say it.

Strand, I don't know what you do for a living, but you know too much about precedent setting cases to not work in the legal field :D :wavey:

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!!!!

I am a lawyer.

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
He said he actually hears God speak to him?

YES!!! :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!!!!

I am a lawyer.

No wonder you love the tax cuts!!! :laugh: LMAO!

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Isn't that money supposed to go to Africa to help fight AIDs? That was another whopper.

That was last year's promise. Keep up with the times :laugh: Seriously, did W send the bill for the AIDS money to Congress and if so did they pass it?

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I do not remember reading that W thinks God actually speaks to him a la a burning bush ( :cool: )

:laugh: :laugh:

The heathen around these parts may not understand this reference ;) :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by dissention
YES!!! :laugh: YIPES :eek: :laugh: :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:23 PM

Enjoy 'em! LOL

TOP 10 AS SELECTED BY DUBYASPEAK VIEWERS

10. At this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly outta Ronald Reagan Airport.
9. Laura and I will thank them from the bottom of my heart.
8. When you have your own money, it means you've got more money to spend.
7. The benefits of helping somebody is beneficial.
6. We're in for a long struggle, and I think Texans understand that. And so do Americans.
5. Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of "Hop on Pop".
4. I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here.
3. And one of the things we've got to make sure that we do is anything.
2. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end.
1. Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better.

TOP 10 AS SELECTED BY THE EDITOR (from the remainder of the collection)

10. I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war.
9. I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well.
8. You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.
7. No, I know all the war rhetoric, but it's all aimed at achieving peace.
6. My mom often used to say, "The trouble with W" -- although she didn't put that to words.
5. In 1994, there were 67 schools in Texas that were rated "exemplorary" according to our own tests.
4. I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right.
3. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.
2. I understand small business growth. I was one.
1. Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Isn't that money supposed to go to Africa to help fight AIDs? That was another whopper.

How about "...dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities"?

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!!!!

I am a lawyer.

I just had the vision of that dude from SNL playing Star Jones from The View...."Now. I am a lawyer..." :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
:laugh: :laugh:

The heathen around these parts may not understand this reference ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
That was last year's promise. Keep up with the times :laugh: Seriously, did W send the bill for the AIDS money to Congress and if so did they pass it?

He pledged 3 billion, then went behind everyones backs and cut it to a little under 2 billion. Aparrently, Bono went to get him to change his mind and some words were exchanged...

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!!!!

I am a lawyer.

What area do you specialize in?

I am glad to hear that you ARE, because if you weren't, I would think there was something not-quite-right with you reading all those bland court cases!

Nothing like reading all that crap and studying it for the bar exam. :D

Thank goodness I forgot most of the useless crap the day AFTER the exam.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I just had the vision of that dude from SNL playing Star Jones from The View...."Now. I am a lawyer..." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:26 PM

Who likes the new immigration plan? It should come as no shock that I don't like it...:laugh:

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Who likes the new immigration plan? It should come as no shock that I don't like it...:laugh: I think those who are looking for cheap slave labor for horrible tasks will love it. Again, i think we should buy Canada, Mexico, and Cuba and be done with this illegal imm. crap. :cool:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I think those who are looking for cheap slave labor for horrible tasks will love it. Again, i think we should buy Canada, Mexico, and Cuba and be done with this illegal imm. crap. :cool:

Agreed. :laugh:

Wally World must approve of it, though.

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:28 PM

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:30 PM

What was the deal with the steroids?

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Who likes the new immigration plan? It should come as no shock that I don't like it...:laugh:

I think it's BS. Nothing like giving funding and jobs to people who aren't citizens of this country. Again...I can't go to college because like most Americans, my family isn't wealthy enough to shell out that 30,000 a year but isn't poor enough to have a big handout from the government. These people? Will be educated for free. By the American taxpayer. And they'll have jobs. That? Pisses me off.

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
What was the deal with the steroids?

He made a fool outta himself with that! I'm still scratching my head about it!

NPR had a field day with it, though. :nod:

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
What was the deal with the steroids?

I think that went hand and hand with the drug testing...I could be wrong...

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by dissention
He made a fool outta himself with that! I'm still scratching my head about it!

NPR had a field day with it, though. :nod:

I do not know what you all are talking about? Help!! :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I think it's BS. Nothing like giving funding and jobs to people who aren't citizens of this country. Again...I can't go to college because like most Americans, my family isn't wealthy enough to shell out that 30,000 a year but isn't poor enough to have a big handout from the government. These people? Will be educated for free. By the American taxpayer. And they'll have jobs. That? Pisses me off.

You're already paying almost ten million per year for retired senators and governors and their families, so why not? :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I do not know what you all are talking about? Help!! :laugh:

The steroids bit. :laugh: :confused:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:33 PM

Try this on for size, folks:

http://www.cronus.com

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by dissention
He made a fool outta himself with that! I'm still scratching my head about it!

NPR had a field day with it, though. :nod:

Yeah - I don't know where the heck he was going with that. I guess it was his "attempt" at linking the drug education/testing at schools and the fact that kids look up to athletes that participate in steriod use.

What I did laugh at was the token shot of Tom Brady. While I will never complain because I think that he is a FOX, that shot of him was totally out of left field (or right field, for those of you of the liberal persuation ;) ).

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I do not know what you all are talking about? Help!! :laugh:

He started talking about baseball, football, etc. and then started yapping away about performance enhancing drugs, calling on professional sports franchise owners to help put a stop to the use of them.:confused:

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by dissention
You're already paying almost ten million per year for retired senators and governors and their families, so why not? :laugh:

So essentially, I should get some sort of government job and I'll be taken care of for the rest of my life.

<----continues on her political science path in search of a kickin' pention :laugh:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:35 PM

This is funny:

http://www.theonion.com/4003/infograph.html

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
yapping away about performance enhancing drugs

I almost spit my Diet Coke out when he said those words. :nod: :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
So essentially, I should get some sort of government job and I'll be taken care of for the rest of my life.

<----continues on her political science path in search of a kickin' pention :laugh:

Actually, I've been heavily pondering about whether or not I should change my major to political science. :)

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by dissention
The steroids bit. :laugh: :confused:

I got it now!!! :laugh:

I think he was drawing an analogy to the professional, collegiate, and Olympic atheletes who cheated by using sterioids. Many kids do look up to atheletes and steriods are illegal but sadly prevelent in our schools.

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Actually, I've been heavily pondering about whether or not I should change my major to political science. :)

DON'T DO IT. That is all it gets you . . . B.S.

This was my undergrad major (by the way, all you liberals would have loved my ultra left wing political science prof). After two years of trying to find a decent paying job, I just gave up and went back to school to get my law degree.

Now, instead of $15,000 in student loans, I have about SIX TIMES that amount. :eek:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
DON'T DO IT. That is all it gets you . . . B.S.

This was my undergrad major (by the way, all you liberals would have loved my ultra left wing political science prof). After two years of trying to find a decent paying job, I just gave up and went back to school to get my law degree.

Yeah, that's the thing I'm worried about: job prospects. :nod: It's always been my dream to have a job in politics, though, ever since I was about ten.

strandinthewind

01-20-2004, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
DON'T DO IT. That is all it gets you . . . B.S.

This was my undergrad major (by the way, all you liberals would have loved my ultra left wing political science prof). After two years of trying to find a decent paying job, I just gave up and went back to school to get my law degree.

Now, instead of $15,000 in student loans, I have about SIX TIMES that amount. :eek:

I know student loans suck :mad: Fortunately, mine are at like 2.25% interest so it does not make sense to pay them off.

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Actually, I've been heavily pondering about whether or not I should change my major to political science. :)

Don't. Seriously. Unless you want to be a lawyer, it tends to be really tedious. I'm more into the foreign aspect of politics which I find to be a lot more fascinating than the cat and mouse game (or should I say elephant and donkey) that American politics tends to be.

I had no idea you were in college.

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
I had no idea you were in college.

Yup. :D I live for both: foreign affairs and domestic issues.

PS: I'm watching Clark on TV right now and, man, he needs to do some manscaping on those brows, folks! :eek:

gldstwmn

01-20-2004, 11:46 PM

Is he on Nightline?

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Yup. :D I live for both: foreign affairs and domestic issues.

PS: I'm watching Clark on TV right now and, man, he needs to do some manscaping on those brows, folks! :eek:

Well, although it's quite possible for you to be older and in college, I thought you were in your 40s :laugh: Now? I'm thinking you're my age...lol

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Well, although it's quite possible for you to be older and in college, I thought you were in your 40s :laugh: Now? I'm thinking your my age...lol

:laugh: I sound that old?! LMAO!

I'm only 22, doll. :)

Edit: I put 22, I'm 24!

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: I sound that old?! LMAO!

I'm only 22, doll. :)

Honey, I had no clue. Fleetwood Mac fan....diehard liberal....:laugh: Up until a few months ago, you were genderless :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Honey, I had no clue. Fleetwood Mac fan....diehard liberal....:laugh: Up until a few months ago, you were genderless :laugh:

:laugh:

I still am genderless...I never said yes one way or the other...:laugh:

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by dissention
PS: I'm watching Clark on TV right now and, man, he needs to do some manscaping on those brows, folks! :eek:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

We need to send Clark and Jimmy Iovine to the same brow specialist! Maybe that lady who does J-Lo's brows for, like $5,000.00 per session :rolleyes:

GardenStateGirlie

01-20-2004, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh:

I still am genderless...I never said yes one way or the other...:laugh:

Sheebus, genderless person! You're just one big mystery...lol

Mad4stevie

01-20-2004, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Sheebus, genderless person! You're just one big mystery...lol

And you all crucify us conservatives of "hiding the ball"!;) :laugh:

Maybe I shouldn't use the word "crucify", after all, it can be associated with God and Jesus, and I wouldn't want to offend. :laugh:

dissention

01-20-2004, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
And you all crucify us conservatives of "hiding the ball"!;) :laugh:

Maybe I shouldn't use the word "crucify", after all, it can be associated with God and Jesus, and I wouldn't want to offend. :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You've gotten PMs from me, you know my name!

GardenStateGirlie

01-21-2004, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You've gotten PMs from me, you know my name!

Let me guess. It's PAT. :laugh:

dissention

01-21-2004, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Let me guess. It's PAT. :laugh:

LMAO!

Mad4stevie

01-21-2004, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You've gotten PMs from me, you know my name!

Yepper! :wavey:

gldstwmn

01-21-2004, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
And you all crucify us conservatives of "hiding the ball"!;) :laugh:

No, that's me.:)

Mad4stevie

01-21-2004, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by gldstwmn
No, that's me.:)

:laugh: :wavey:

sara1998

01-21-2004, 07:10 PM

I love reading you all's posts on these threads. I learn a little something reading them......

The politically ignorant,
Maria

dissention

01-21-2004, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by sara1998
I love reading you all's posts on these threads. I learn a little something reading them......

The politically ignorant,
Maria

Glad they're serving a purpose, Maria. :D

So, are you liberal or conservative? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:wavey:

sara1998

01-21-2004, 09:39 PM

Uh-umm... (clearing my throat);)

I am new to politics, but is something I have wanted to learn about for a while. What better time then now...

I am not educated enough to make intelligent, informed decision.

..... however, I am leaning slightly to the left............... :cool:

Maria

strandinthewind

01-21-2004, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by sara1998
Uh-umm... (clearing my throat);)

I am new to politics, but is something I have wanted to learn about for a while. What better time then now...

I am not educated enough to make intelligent, informed decision.

..... however, I am leaning slightly to the left............... :cool:

Maria

Here is a lowdown on the two sides:

Republicans:

no abortion
no gun control
lower taxes to stimulate economic growth
states rights as opposed to a larger Federal govt.
no gay rights whatsoever

Democrats:

abortion
gun control
higher taxes
a larger Federal govt. and less individual state autonomy
possible civil unions and/or domestic partner benefits for gay people (this is not unanimous)

These are just general ideas, but are an indication nonetheless. Also, few if any politicians are truly one or the other based on the main issues. For example, most politicians agree on the middle ground that the right to own a gun is in the Const., but there must be safeguards such as age limit for owning a handgun, permits, etc.

Interstingly, there are "spun issues" such as religion. The far religious right (which is not all Christians by any means) frames the issue this way - "The liberals are taking God out of the public squares, are driving us away from God, and are telling us we cannot believe in or worship God" a la the recent removal of the 2 ton granite 10 Commandments monument in the rotunda of the Supreme Court of Alabama. The truth of the matter is no one ever said you cannot believe in the Ten Commandments or God. They just recognized that an activist judge (they exist on both sides) put it there about three years ago in the middle of the night and said "this is the law." The Federal Courts, rightly so in my opinion, found essentially that because the Commandments say "I am the Lord thy God - thou shall have other Gods" and the that only two of the Ten Commandments are actually against the law (stealing and killing), the Chief Judge's clandestine placement of the monument in the Al Sup. Ct. buuilding and then calling it the law violated the 1st Amendment's prohibition of the govt. from establishing an official state religion. So, how the issue is framed is everything - do not be fooled by it.

To be fair and balanced, the far left liberals want the right for any woman to have a fetus aborted at will with no state control over the procedure except perhaps for safety. They frame things like "parental consent" or the less restrictive "parental notification" as the death knell for the right to choose to have an abortion. They claim that if the notification measures pass, that will begin the chipping away at the right to choose. In reality, most parents have indicated they at least want to know whether their minor child is undergoing a medical prodedure and they certainly would be required to know if the child was having an appendectomy.

So, IMO it is all about the framing of the issues. Don't be fooled by them before you take your stance.

I hope that helped!!!!! :cool:

P.S. the other thing is that for the last 20 or so years, the party not in power does everything it can to mudsling the party in power. A good example of this is the Clinton witch hunt. After like five years of not being able to prove anything wrong with Whitewater and all of the unrelated subsequent investigations stemming from that initial investigation, they finally got Clinton for lying about having sex with an intern. While lying under oath is the crime of obstruction of justice, many felt and history demonstrates that this is not what the Const. framers had in mind when they allowed for impeachment of a President for "high crimes and misdemeanors." Yet, the far right controlled the House and that is what happened.

Similarly and IMO, the far left now belittles every single thing W does. A good example IMO is comparing W to Hitler when although there may be vague comparisons in other areas, W can in no way be compared to Hitler because W is not trying to conquer the world and make us the only race while extinguishing millions of people not in that race as Hitler did. Also, while I am no fan of W, he has done some good things IMO like the tax cuts (which are working according to almost every economic indicator) and the new medical bill (I know I know - its not perfect, but it is better than what we had before and both parties passed it :cool: ).

dissention

01-21-2004, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Here is a lowdown on the two sides:

Republicans:

no abortion
no gun control
lower taxes to stimulate economic growth
states rights as opposed to a larger Federal govt.
no gay rights whatsoever

Democrats:

abortion
gun control
higher taxes
a larger Federal govt. and less individual state autonomy
possible civil unions and/or domestic partner benefits for gay people (this is not unanimous)

Also...

Republicans:

Toby Keith
No good sex
Coultergeist (Ann Coulter)
Almost no welfare programs
No safe-sex education in schools, only abstinence
Fox News
Jewish blood money in large trusts
Bad comb-overs

Democrats:

Barbra Streisand
Fabulous sex
Michael Moore
Tons of welfare programs
Safe-sex education
CNN
Welfare checks in local bank accounts
Neatly coiffed 'do's

:laugh: :wavey:

strandinthewind

01-21-2004, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Also...

Republicans:

Toby Keith
No good sex
Coultergeist (Ann Coulter)
Almost no welfare programs
No safe-sex education in schools, only abstinence
Fox News
Jewish blood money in large trusts
Bad comb-overs

Democrats:

Barbra Streisand
Fabulous sex
Michael Moore
Tons of welfare programs
Safe-sex education
CNN
Welfare checks in local bank accounts
Neatly coiffed 'do's

:laugh: :wavey:

Oops - I edited while you posted - sorry :laugh:

P.S. Maria - this is a good example of the self-admitted far left :eek: :wavey:

dissention

01-21-2004, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
P.S. Maria - this is a good example of the self-admitted far left :eek: :wavey:

:laugh:

Extremely far, far, far, far, far, far left. I'd sell my mother to a white slave trader to get Bush out of office.

Don't worry, though, Maria will join us soon...:laugh: :wavey:

GypsySorcerer

01-21-2004, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by dissention
Also...

Republicans:

Toby Keith
No good sex
Coultergeist (Ann Coulter)
Almost no welfare programs
No safe-sex education in schools, only abstinence
Fox News
Jewish blood money in large trusts
Bad comb-overs

Democrats:

Barbra Streisand
Fabulous sex
Michael Moore
Tons of welfare programs
Safe-sex education
CNN
Welfare checks in local bank accounts
Neatly coiffed 'do's

:laugh: :wavey:

Now, Now.... Believe you me, I have fabulous sex. :laugh:

And I know that you are aware that there are some pro-choice Republicans, myself included. (Olympia Snowe, John McCain, hell Gerald Ford.) And remember when Bush, Sr. served on the Planned Parenthood board? Ahhhh... the glory of the pre-Reagan days. :)

~Krista~

strandinthewind

01-21-2004, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
Now, Now.... Believe you me, I have fabulous sex. :laugh:

And I know that you are aware that there are some pro-choice Republicans, myself included. (Olympia Snowe, John McCain, hell Gerald Ford.) And remember when Bush, Sr. served on the Planned Parenthood board? Ahhhh... the glory of the pre-Reagan days. :)

~Krista~

:laugh: I do seem to remember that. The bottom line for me is they ALL will say just about anything to get elected. :laugh:

Mad4stevie

01-22-2004, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by dissention
Also...

Republicans:

Toby Keith
No good sex
Coultergeist (Ann Coulter)
Almost no welfare programs
No safe-sex education in schools, only abstinence
Fox News
Jewish blood money in large trusts
Bad comb-overs

Democrats:

Barbra Streisand
Fabulous sex
Michael Moore
Tons of welfare programs
Safe-sex education
CNN
Welfare checks in local bank accounts
Neatly coiffed 'do's

:laugh: :wavey:

Yeah - where did the "no good sex" come from? :confused:

I would be interested in hearing your opinion on this one . . . :laugh:

Johnny Stew

01-22-2004, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Yeah - where did the "no good sex" come from? :confused:

I would be interested in hearing your opinion on this one . . . :laugh: I *think* that notion comes from the standard Christian ideal that sex should only be between a married heterosexual couple, and only ever in the missionary position... or else it's immoral.

And since conservative/Republican politicians make a concerted effort to always push Christian family values, it's not entirely implausible for one to assume that they're not going to be making good use of the Kama Sutra any time soon! Otherwise, they'd look like hypocrites! :laugh: ;)

sara1998

01-22-2004, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
and only ever in the missionary position... or else it's immoral.

If that's the case, I'm a born Democrat!:laugh: LMAO!!!!

Maria

Mad4stevie

01-22-2004, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I *think* that notion comes from the standard Christian ideal that sex should only be between a married heterosexual couple, and only ever in the missionary position... or else it's immoral.

And since conservative/Republican politicians make a concerted effort to always push Christian family values, it's not entirely implausible for one to assume that they're not going to be making good use of the Kama Sutra any time soon! Otherwise, they'd look like hypocrites! :laugh: ;)

Hummmm - I grew up in a "christian" home and, trust me, based on the books I found under my parent's bed about the karma sutra, I don't know if this assertion applies! :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-22-2004, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
Hummmm - I grew up in a "christian" home and, trust me, based on the books I found under my parent's bed about the karma sutra, I don't know if this assertion applies! :laugh:

:laugh:

Actually, that far right winger Anne Coulter performed a study that indicated Republicans have better sex. She provided what she thought was empirical evidence. So, there you have it. :cool:

gldstwmn

01-22-2004, 09:46 AM

dissention

01-22-2004, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
And I know that you are aware that there are some pro-choice Republicans, myself included. (Olympia Snowe, John McCain, hell Gerald Ford.) And remember when Bush, Sr. served on the Planned Parenthood board? Ahhhh... the glory of the pre-Reagan days. :)

I never understood why he was on that board when he was pro-life. Babs Bush is the one that is pro-choice. ;)

dissention

01-22-2004, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by strandinthewind
:laugh:

Actually, that far right winger Anne Coulter performed a study that indicated Republicans have better sex. She provided what she thought was empirical evidence. So, there you have it. :cool:

No, it was supposedly Newsweek that did it back in '90 and they found that only devouts from the Bible belt have fantastic sex.

Somehow, I don't buy it...

What I meant by no good sex was what Johnny said: only missionary. Also, under sodomy laws that are still on the books and demanded by the right-wingers, that means no oral sex, folks...I'm still astounded they didn't try to bust Monica for sodomy (Virginia has a law against it...). :laugh:

strandinthewind

01-22-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by dissention
I never understood why he was on that board when he was pro-life. Babs Bush is the one that is pro-choice. ;)

All of the first ladies have been since Nancy R. (who I submit was the end of that generation) :cool: Even Laura B. is.

strandinthewind

01-22-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by dissention
No, it was supposedly Newsweek that did it back in '90 and they found that only devouts from the Bible belt have fantastic sex.

Somehow, I don't buy it...

What I meant by no good sex was what Johnny said: only missionary. Also, under sodomy laws that are still on the books and demanded by the right-wingers, that means no oral sex, folks...I'm still astounded they didn't try to bust Monica for sodomy (Virginia has a law against it...). :laugh:

Also, lest we forget Leviticus' (Ch. 15) prohibition of sex while for seven days after menstrating under possible penalty of Death. I am sure they all wait for that. Moreover, (Leviticus 15:29) "[a]nd on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation." I am sure that happens - haven't you seen all of the pigeons around the big city churches "laugh: Finally, the same Chapter dictates that a man who copulates with a woman while she is mentruating, must sep. himself for seven days. Yea right :rolleyes:

Also, please procced directly to the gas chamber if these rules are not followed because after all the same chapter says God hates homosexual acts and THAT certainly must be true. Let's not pick and choose people :rolleyes: