Chanel, Chanel

[joe68]

Sararhiannon has this labeled as a demo from 1997. Does anyone have any info on this? Johnny Stew?

Thanks

[joe68]

I found the lyrics too. I'm going to post them here...with thanks of course to Sararhiannon.

Sararhiannon, can you maybe please post this song. This is completely new to me...

I know how
Hard it is to keep promises secret
Real secrets, the hardest of all
Well, I need to go but the
Free spirit has been sold
And now she's gone
As you leave the shore
Oh, remember there is always a chance
You may never return

Take your time, push down your wall
Well, I have run from places where I could not speak
And neither could I breathe,
Well I wake up in the middle of the night now
Well, I need to know... lady traveler
Leave the room the way it was
Well, the sentiment, well they can't stand up in the darkness
Ooh, Chanel, Chanel

She was herself
She was not his
She was not anything that she had loved
Because he would have lost if he had loved
Ending what he had grown, what he called mortal,
Such a beauty, whoa,
But your love would never be lost

Oh, he knew there was something there
Whoa, it was his hands, leaned against her side
Ooh, that feeling from the past
Well, that is something that she understands
Oh, lady traveler,
Leave the room the way it was
When they fall, and they can't stand up in the darkness
Oh, take your time
I remember a man when he said to me
He said, "What do you do?"
I sing...

[GardenStateGirlie]

Excuse me. I think I need to pick my jaw up from off the floor. :eek: Good lord.

[dissention]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Excuse me. I think I need to pick my jaw up from off the floor. :eek: Good lord.

I know! :laugh:

Actually, I think those are pretty awful lyrics. :nod:

[Pisces Queen]

I have to hear this now. :D I hope sararhiannon can post the song.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by dissention
I know! :laugh:

Actually, I think those are pretty awful lyrics. :nod:

That's not why I had to pick my jaw up from off the floor. ;)

[darklinensuit]

When I first read the title I thought of the "Rachelle! Rachelle!" musical episode of Seinfeld.:) I couldn't imagine Stevie writing a song about that. But then again, I do love her Ballad of the Marble Rye.;)

- Jake

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
But then again, I do love her Ballad of the Marble Rye.;)

- Jake

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Does ANYONE out there have Chanel, Chanel and would anyone like to share, please? I would LOVE to hear it :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by joe68
Sararhiannon has this labeled as a demo from 1997. Does anyone have any info on this? Johnny Stew?I know it's not listed in the US Copyrights Office database.

Beyond that, I have no clue. :confused:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I know it's not listed in the US Copyrights Office database.

Beyond that, I have no clue. :confused:

Well, I guess we're all screwed then. Because when Johnny Stew doesn't know? It's a safe bet probably no one else does either :laugh:

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Well, I guess we're all screwed then. Because when Johnny Stew doesn't know? It's a safe bet probably no one else does either :laugh:

Yeah, he's the resident expert. :) I think it's a safe bet this demo is not in circulation. I don't think these are transcribed lyrics, but rather ones Stevie wrote somewhere, in a journal perhaps, that got leaked.

[dissention]

It's a real song. :nod: It's from 1997 and apparently Sheryl Crow worked on it with Stevie for TISL. The version that's circulating is about three and a half minutes long. I'm trying to snag it, I'll let y'all know when I do. :)

[sodascouts]

Ooh! Good deal, Dissention! :)

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Well, I guess we're all screwed then. Because when Johnny Stew doesn't know? It's a safe bet probably no one else does either :laugh: Originally posted by sodascouts
Yeah, he's the resident expert. :)I thank you for the compliments, ladies... but unfortunately I don't know everything regarding our favorite topic (sure wish I did though)!

I hope dissention is able to nab a copy of the track... I'd love to hear it.
It's always cool when something new leaks out just when you've started to think that everything that possibly could leak, had. :D

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by dissention
It's a real song. :nod: It's from 1997 and apparently Sheryl Crow worked on it with Stevie for TISL. The version that's circulating is about three and a half minutes long. I'm trying to snag it, I'll let y'all know when I do. :)

Amazing that this has been kept "hidden" for so long. Just makes you wonder what other "gems" are out there!

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by sodascouts
Yeah, he's the resident expert. :) I think it's a safe bet this demo is not in circulation.


I have the song on it's way to me from a reliable trader...I'm very interested in hearing it.

Brian j.

[joe68]

Ive heard it...and its pretty good. A little rough sounding, a little plodding and the lyrics make no sense, but she makes it somewhat intense towards the end.

Sheryl sings back up i guess, butit really could be anyone. Hopefully someone can post it when available.

[David]

Originally posted by joe68
Ive heard it...and its pretty good. A little rough sounding, a little plodding and the lyrics make no sense, but she makes it somewhat intense towards the end.

Sheryl sings back up i guess, butit really could be anyone. Hopefully someone can post it when available. Mike Bise said, in a 1996 issue of his fanzine, that "Chanel, Chanel" was an alternative name for the song "Mirror, Mirror."

The problem is that the two songs don't even remotely resemble each other, musically or lyrically. But some of our tapes of "Mirror, Mirror" are at least fifteen years old, & I think the recording of "Chanel, Chanel" is, too.

[sparky]

Lord have mercy, that reads like a Klonopin babble.

[dissention]

Originally posted by sparky
Lord have mercy, that reads like a Klonopin babble.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It's more than that; it's what I like to call Stevie's "self-indulgent-'I'm-a-singer--and-I-gave-up-a-hubby-and-brats-for-it- dammit'" babble.

[sparky]

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It's more than that; it's what I like to call Stevie's "self-indulgent-'I'm-a-singer--and-I-gave-up-a-hubby-and-brats-for-it- dammit'" babble.

Lions and tigers and bears.
Wells and ohs and he saids ! Oh My !

OY my.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by sparky
Lions and tigers and bears.
Wells and ohs and he saids ! Oh My !

OY my.

Dissention only likes the Wassamattababays, oh my!

- Jake

[dissention]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Dissention only likes the Wassamattababays, oh my!

- Jake

:eek:

Take that back!

:laugh:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by dissention
:eek:

Take that back!

:laugh:

No need. A few more weeks of reading posts by Johnny Stew and me, and you'll be one of us...delighting in every rasping nuance of WISYA. You're resistance is weakening already. (Did I mention I'm also putting money down that you'll cave & stick a "Bush/Cheney in '04" sticker on your car?:laugh: )

- Jake

[dissention]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
No need. A few more weeks of reading posts by Johnny Stew and me, and you'll be one of us...delighting in every rasping nuance of WISYA. You're resistance is weakening already. (Did I mention I'm also putting money down that you'll cave & stick a "Bush/Cheney in '04" sticker on your car?:laugh: )

- Jake

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nevah, babe. I'll get the step ladder and rope ready before that happens. :nod:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by dissention
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nevah, babe. I'll get the step ladder and rope ready before that happens. :nod:

She swings around from the second story, "I'll get down!" she says.
There is no WISYA burning, just dissention lying.:laugh: :nod:

- Jake

[Mad4stevie]

SaraRhiannon has it on her site for download:

http://www.sararhiannon.com/sounds.html

Thanks to Sara for posting this!!!:wavey:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by Mad4stevie
SaraRhiannon has it on her site for download:

http://www.sararhiannon.com/sounds.html

Thanks to Sara for posting this!!!:wavey:

Thanks!

- Jake

[Bella Figura]

thanks Heather!!!

I personally like all the Trouble in Shangi-la demos...I like their raw emotional quality & detailed but rough poetry/lyrics of these demos prior to the musicality that Stevie's producers always bring to the final product.

it was probably pretty tough for Sheryl to add pop/rock music riffs to the complicated lyrics of this song which is probably why this demo was ultimately dropped.

it seems that most of Stevie's poems end up being "chopped" by completion of a final song. This is why we get such great endings to her songs, her and the girls trying to fit in more lyrics at the end of a song.

I have to argue the Klonopin/babble comments...the Shangri-la demos clearly show Stevie's creativity and vocal strength returning...

the end lyrics are the crux of the song...

what do you do??? I sing...

[dissention]

Originally posted by Bella Figura
I have to argue the Klonopin/babble comments...the Shangri-la demos clearly show Stevie's creativity and vocal strength returning...

After listening to it many times, I don't believe that it's a TISL demo; I think it's from the RAL era. It really apparent towards the end of the song. :nod:

[sparky]

Originally posted by dissention
After listening to it many times, I don't believe that it's a TISL demo; I think it's from the RAL era. It really apparent towards the end of the song. :nod:

I agree. This sounds like RAL vocals to me - even her speaking voice has that breathy, just smoked and did a line quality.
Lori has some nice moments there at the end.

This isn't a bad song, really. It has moments. It ends suddenly, and I wonder WTF about some of these lyrics. However, it is a good vocal, and she does some interesting things with the melody that kind of make me forget that I don't really get what she's talking about. That's the "Stevieness" of it all, I suppose.

[Bella Figura]

it may be RAL but the quality,sound and lyrics for me are TISL era. To me, Chanel Chanel sounds like a companion piece of Space Needle...her music voice on this demo sounds to me like her current mature voice but I can also hear the places where you hear her old voice, especially towards the end.

and Stevie in interviews does give Sheryl credit as the one person who can bring back her original voice and pushes Stevie's vocals to the max especially on TISL's Sorcerer. So if Chanel is a Sheryl TISL Production, the same truth would apply here.

so I am going to agree with sararhiannon and stick with Chanel being a TISL outtake demo...

[joe]

Originally posted by dissention
After listening to it many times, I don't believe that it's a TISL demo; I think it's from the RAL era. It really apparent towards the end of the song. :nod:

i just listened to this at work here through some really small speaker that basically is in the actually hard drive...the volume is low and i really only listened to about 45 seconds of it but i immediately was confused because it didn't sound like a TISL era song...Her voice just sounds younger. Her voice on TISL was good but i can tell that this is from the 80's. i'm going to have to listen to it through regular speakers at home. But i could tell just from the little bit that i heard. Most likely, it's from the RAL era.

[strandinthewind]

I vote 80's and probably RAL era. Also, at the very beginning, she sounds like she has a cold when she is speaking about the "shrill sisters: :laugh:

[blinker12]

It does sound like RAL era... Maybe she re-recorded it for TISL with Sheryl, but we don't have that version?
It's confusing, though, because it seems like the song could well be called "In the Darkness," a title that she registered with the copyright office in 2000. Most people have assumed this was an early name for "Everybody Finds Out," but that's never been confirmed as far as I know.
In fact, sararhiannon has "In the Darkness" listed as an alternate title. :confused:

PAu-2-509-624
Title: In the darkness.
Description: Sound cassette & lyrics sheets.
Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Future Furniture Music
Created: 1999
Registered: 15Jun00
Author on © Application: words: acStevie Nicks; music: Rick Nowels.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by blinker12
It does sound like RAL era... Maybe she re-recorded it for TISL with Sheryl, but we don't have that version?
It's confusing, though, because it seems like the song could well be called "In the Darkness," a title that she registered with the copyright office in 2000. Most people have assumed this was an early name for "Everybody Finds Out," but that's never been confirmed as far as I know.
In fact, sararhiannon has "In the Darkness" listed as an alternate title. :confused:

PAu-2-509-624
Title: In the darkness.
Description: Sound cassette & lyrics sheets.
Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Future Furniture Music
Created: 1999
Registered: 15Jun00
Author on © Application: words: acStevie Nicks; music: Rick Nowels.

Just because it was copyrighted in '99 doesn't mean that's when it was recorded. The more I listen to this version the more that I think that it is RAL era. It's especially evident in her vocal toward the end. That's the last era I can think of when we heard that voice.:)

[Siri Ruane]

I like this song, but the music and lyrics just don't click very well together in my opinion...

[Ghosty]

I *LOVE* it! I love that laid back, yet intense feel of it, and the raw gritty sound of it. I love this song. I think the lyrics are excellent - full of a simple kind of symbolism - "when they fall, and they can't stand up in the darkness..." ~ awesome. don't think she's babbling at all. It's not one of her "Once upon a time" songs where she is literally telling us word for word a story, but I see situations and lessons here. Haven't you ever been in a relationship where you weren't really yourself. You kind of squashed that part of you down, to fit into the relationship. And it wasn't all that happy or great, but you stayed in it. I love the "she was not anything that she loved" - I love that whole paragraph/verse.

It ends too abruptly. The song has a really mellow flow to it, so the ending was too sudden. I would have liked for the music to still go on after she says "I sing" (which was so awesome), and then if she could have paused, and then sang that line again one more time, then let the music still linger a moment and slowly fade out. But I really love it. Not sure when it was made. I can see the TISL sound, for a moment, yet also the older Stevie feel to it. The part about the man asking her what she does, that reminds me of "well tell me, just what is it that you do....." from the song Julia.

I am probably more likely to guess pre-TISL, and more 80's. But I really have no clue. She just used to have that more "gutteral" emotion (sp? is that even the word I am trying to say here?) in her voice back then, especially in her demos. I'd love a raw, gritty Stevie album. Know what I mean? Like when she sings At Last, and that Baby Doll demo, etc....even the Blue Lamp demo where she's a little more heavy and wild in it. Oh, and the Whole Lotta Trouble demo - she just belts it out and is so raw. It's awesome.

But - Chanel, Chanel - that part is funny, now that someone here mentioned Rochelle, Rochelle! lol! Hee-Hee!

Thanks so much SaraRhiannon for that. I am LOVING it. Go Stevie! You rock.

[Bella Figura]

when they fall, and they can't stand up in the darkness...

I kind of get a sexual vibe from this line, Stevie is very subtle with her sexual refererence, it reminds me of "undoing the laces"

to me it's about the angst associated with any kind of doomed affair...all the passion, guilt, self-doubt...so the music being so basic and raw fits that kind of a mood though the middle bridge needs much work...Because he would have lost if he had not
Ended what he had found, what he called, whoa, no Such a beauty, whoa, Can never be lost

but I love the ending, abruptness, it's very un-Stevielike...

I remember a man when he said to me
He said, "What do you do?"
I sing...

It reminds me of some of the lyrics in What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You...I think Stevie is referencing talking to a counseler during her drug rehabs so that would make the song post RAL and maybe even into the 90's if she wrote the lines during her Klonopin detox...

[goldie]

I remember a man when he said to me
He said, "What do you do?"
I sing...


I think of this as being a reference to her first meeting with Lindsey before they sang California Dreaming together......

[SaraRhiannon]

Originally posted by Ghosty


Thanks so much SaraRhiannon for that. I am LOVING it. Go Stevie! You rock.

You're very welcome! :) :)

[ejof17]

and why wasn't this released instead of Bombay Saphires or It's Only Love?

I love this song....reworked a bit, it could have been great.

I love: "What do you do? .......... I sing."

It reminds me of "Julia". "What is it that you do now? do now?"

[Siri Ruane]

Originally posted by ejof17
and why wasn't this released instead of Bombay Saphires or It's Only Love?

Or Too Far From Texas?? ;)

[Ghosty]

I really love Love Changes and Bombay Sapphire. But I could easily do without Too Far From Texas, for sure! Yes, this would have been an awesome substitution..... damn.... I can't wait for her to start her next cd!!!! When, Stevie....WHEEEEEENNNNNNN?????? ;)