Original Red Rover Lyrics...

[GardenStateGirlie]

Back before SYW came out, someone on the ledge posted lyrics for Lindsey's "soon to be released" album, GOS. In the thread were lyrics to Red Rover that went as followed...

When you're lonely
Just come on over
We may not be lovers
But you can always take me over
Under the covers
Let's play Red Rover

Makes me laugh at Lindsey's answer "it's about the God's looking down on us..." etc. etc. (but of course, he's always had those stock answers so he can dance around the actual meanings to his songs a la Peacekeeper) ;) Why do you think he changed the lyrics to not include this particular verse? Do you think he should have left them in the song? This is me trying to get the Lindsey board going...c'mon guys! Discuss! :nod: :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

WHAT?! I never saw this post! Maybe it was before I became a fan, I dunno. :shrug:

That doesn't even sing well with the melody of Red Rover. LMAO!!

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
WHAT?! I never saw this post! Maybe it was before I became a fan, I dunno. :shrug:

That doesn't even sing well with the melody of Red Rover. LMAO!!

Well Christy, dear! There you are! I kind of figured this thread would be comprised of me...you...and me and you :laugh:

I suppose this was back in 2000...perhaps before that... when everything started to leak out about GOS. Maybe for once he had lyrics before he had a melody :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

Yep, I found Mr. Buckingham in March 2001, so that was before my time.

That's totally weird if those really are the original lyrics, because I associate Red Rover with death not sex! :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Yep, I found Mr. Buckingham in March 2001, so that was before my time.

That's totally weird if those really are the original lyrics, because I associate Red Rover with death not sex! :laugh:

I would say that perhaps Lindsey equates sex with death but hey, I'm thinkin' probably not...unless it's because sex gets him in trouble..lol

I just think it's hysterical how he can write lyrics like this and lyrics to Peacekeeper and say they're about one thing in one interview then give an entirely different meaning in a different interview with various philosophical ramblings. Lindsey will always keep us guessing :nod:

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Lindsey will always keep us guessing :nod:

Gotta love him. :nod: :D

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Gotta love him. :nod: :D

*le sigh* Yes, I think we do...bless his heart :nod:

[sodascouts]

I remember hearing about these lyrics back in 2000. Someone leaked these as well as some of the lyrics to "Try for the Sun." It was right before Lindsey's demos started showing up on Ebay for ludicrous amounts. It was the first I had heard of either.

These are obviously highly sexual, lol. Unless somebody made these up back in 2000 and they were never really his lyrics, Lindsey's song definitely took a different direction, lol!

And hey, a man's orgasm is known as the "little death" in French, right? lol

[CarneVaca]

I hate to get too philosophical here, but let's just say that lyrics with sexual content are not necessarily exclusive of spirituality and allusions to godliness. Going back many centuries, and we're talking BC here, the sexual union was considered by some a sacred rite, a means to reach a kind of spirituality that was otherwise elusive. If you will, to simplify it in nearly sacrilegious terms, people would experience sexual climax in order to know god.

Whether Lindsey was writing some of this stuff in that vein is impossible to know unless he comes right out and says it. His explanations about gods looking down on humanity in reference to ambiguous lyrics have given me pause at times. And after a while I started to wonder if he was reaching for that theme. Lines like "love is the sweet surprise," which may seem somewhat enigmatic on the surface, may actually have much deeper meaning.

It is clear that Lindsey is into poetry and philosophy, judging from some of his more recent work, so it is not so far-fetched that he is infusing some of his work with hints at these more obscure beliefs.

Then again, maybe not. :shrug:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I hate to get too philosophical here, but let's just say that lyrics with sexual content are not necessarily exclusive of spirituality and allusions to godliness. Going back many centuries, and we're talking BC here, the sexual union was considered by some a sacred rite, a means to reach a kind of spirituality that was otherwise elusive. If you will, to simplify it in nearly sacrilegious terms, people would experience sexual climax in order to know god.

Whether Lindsey was writing some of this stuff in that vein is impossible to know unless he comes right out and says it. His explanations about gods looking down on humanity in reference to ambiguous lyrics have given me pause at times. And after a while I started to wonder if he was reaching for that theme. Lines like "love is the sweet surprise," which may seem somewhat enigmatic on the surface, may actually have much deeper meaning.

It is clear that Lindsey is into poetry and philosophy, judging from some of his more recent work, so it is not so far-fetched that he is infusing some of his work with hints at these more obscure beliefs.

Then again, maybe not. :shrug:

You've provided some very valid points and I totally agree with you. :nod: As we speak, i'm marking this day on my calendar....January 12, 2004....agreed with Carne :D :laugh:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie


When you're lonely
Just come on over
We may not be lovers
But you can always take me over
Under the covers
Let's play Red Rover

Why do you think he changed the lyrics to not include this particular verse? Do you think he should have left them in the song? This is me trying to get the Lindsey board going...c'mon guys! Discuss! :nod: :laugh:

Hmm, Maybe someone found those lyrics offensive.:eek:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
You've provided some very valid points and I totally agree with you. :nod: As we speak, i'm marking this day on my calendar....January 12, 2004....agreed with Carne :D :laugh:

Dude, don't make me laugh out loud like this. :laugh: My co-workers are beginning to think I'm strange... OK, I lie. They already do.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Dude, don't make me laugh out loud like this. :laugh: My co-workers are beginning to think I'm strange... OK, I lie. They already do.

Tsk tsk tsk...supposed to be doing work...playing on the ledge instead ;) :laugh: Ahh..if they already think you're strange, mind as well make it worth your while, right?? :nod:

[Cammie]

:( Red Rover Come Over! Where on Mars did the
lyrics come from? :eek:Mr. BucKINGham has been
wrapped around my heart strings since 1980's!:D
We have digested every Ledge message about
our Guitar Hero since 1999 and we never saw
these lyrics! Once... the gals did made up other
lyrics for fun! Last night I played all three of my
GOS demos...back to 1995-6! Red Rover was not
even on the original cassette!The 2000 cd has the
regular finished product lyrics as does a another
a fan sent me in 2001!!! Your Red Rover sounds
very strange...but Interesting! Lindsey does seem
to Enjoy Lovin' His Women!!!:cool: Sexy Man!;) Sky:)

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by Cammie
:( Red Rover Come Over! Where on Mars did the
lyrics come from? :eek:Mr. BucKINGham has been
wrapped around my heart strings since 1980's!:D
We have digested every Ledge message about
our Guitar Hero since 1999 and we never saw
these lyrics! Once... the gals did made up other
lyrics for fun! Last night I played all three of my
GOS demos...back to 1995-6! Red Rover was not
even on the original cassette!The 2000 cd has the
regular finished product lyrics as does a another
a fan sent me in 2001!!! Your Red Rover sounds
very strange...but Interesting! Lindsey does seem
to Enjoy Lovin' His Women!!!:cool: Sexy Man!;) Sky:)

You guys don't have to feel like you're missing anything. As far as I know, these lyrics were never recorded :wavey:

[Merf]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
You guys don't have to feel like you're missing anything. As far as I know, these lyrics were never recorded :wavey:

Yeah, what she said.

Cammie- you guys can search every demo Lindsey ever recorded of "Red Rover" and it won't be on it. These were very rough, beginnings of thoughts about the song that got into the hands of a poster on the Ledge waaaaay before "Say You Will" was even a thought.

:wavey:

[Cammie]

:wavey: Thanks GSGirlie...You don't have to try to
explain...we get it!:D Just hope you understand
me looking back to unpublished old lyrics an ledge
friend shared...no Red Rover lyrics at all !!!:eek:
There's 8 inchs of snow and we got cabin fever!
Been playing great old Lindsey Demos & Videos!

FYI ... from a '90's demo casette...

Interesting side-line...on the dat...Lindsey:cool:
wrote Try For The Son...repeated it once again
and wrote Try For The Son again!!! ;) Wishfull
thinking perhaps!!! We are so happy Linz has
his son at last and a daughter... and another
on the way!!!:) Makes Me Smile! :laugh: Bye,Sky ;)

[Merf]

Interesting side-line...on the dat...Lindsey
wrote Try For The Son...repeated it once again
and wrote Try For The Son again!!! Wishfull
thinking perhaps!!! We are so happy Linz has
his son at last and a daughter... and another
on the way!!! Makes Me Smile! Bye,Sky

:wavey:

Cammie, the song you all are referring to is "Try for the SUN," not "Try for the Son." As in "SUN," the celestial object at the center of our solar system. It is not a Lindsey original, it is adapted from a song written by Donovan Leitch in 1965.

Lindsey's Adapted lyrics:

"Try for the Sun."

Written by D. Leitch; Adapted by L. Buckingham


We huddled in the derelict building
My gypsy girl and I
We made our bed together
With the rain dropping tears in our eyes

And who would be the one
To say it was no good what we done?
I dare anyone to say, anyone to say we were too young
We were only trying for the sun

Mirror, mirror in the sky
Won't you look what’s happening below
No one knows what’s going on
Won't you give us a sign where to go?

And who would be the one
To say it was no good what we done?
I dare anyone to say, anyone to say we were too young
We were only trying for the sun

And who would be the one
To say it was no good what we done?
I dare anyone to say, anyone to say we were too young
We were only trying for the sun
We were only trying for the sun
We were only trying for the sun

Mirror, mirror in the sky
Won't you look what’s happening below
Nobody knows what’s going on
Won't you you give us a sign where to go?


The original lyrics by Donovan, written in 1965:

We stood in the windy city
The gypsy boy and I
We slept on the breeze in the midnight
With the rain dropping tears in our eyes

And who’s going to be the one
To say it was no good what we done
I dare a man to say I’m too young
For I’m going to try for the sun

We huddled in the derelict building
And when he thought I was asleep
He lay his poor coat round my shoulders
And shivered there beside me in a heap

And who’s going to be the one
To say it was no good what we done
I dare a man to say I’m too young
For I’m going to try for the sun

We sang and cracked the sky with laughter
Our breath turned to mist in the cold
Our years put together count to thirty
But our eyes told the dawn we were old

And who’s going to be the one
To say it was no good what we done
I dare a man to say I’m too young
For I’m going to try for the sun

Mirror mirror hanging in the sky
Won’t you look down what’s happening here below
I stand here singing to the flowers
So very few people really know

And who’s going to be the one
To say it was no good what we done
I dare a man to say I’m too young
For I’m going to try for the sun

We stood in the windy city
The gypsy boy and I
We slept on the breeze in the midnight
With the rain dropping tears in our eyes

And who’s going to be the one
To say it was no good what we done
I dare a man to say I’m too young
For I’m going to try for the sun

Now, I'm really a novice at lyrical interpretation, but to me, his adaptation of the song has nothing to do with a desire to have children. It is a love song.

[thanks to nancy for the lyrics.]

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by Cammie
FYI ... from a '90's demo casette...

Interesting side-line...on the dat...Lindsey:cool:
wrote Try For The Son...repeated it once again
and wrote Try For The Son again!!! ;) Wishfull
thinking perhaps!!! We are so happy Linz has
his son at last and a daughter... and another
on the way!!!:) Makes Me Smile! :laugh: Bye,Sky ;)

Sky, I think I know why you are confused. Apparently, when Lindsey hurriedly scribbled the name on a demo cassette, he put "Son" instead of "Sun." However, I'm sure you can see from the lyrics posted that that was just a careless error.

I really don't think Lindsey is so sexist that he'd be "only trying for the son" lol!

[Cammie]

:wavey: Hi Lindsey Girls!:cool: :D OH WOOOOW!!!:eek:
THANKS for posting those other great lyrics!
It's Definitely SUN...Gotcha'!!! Someone else
suggested that Son stuff to me fitting in with
when LB wrote Family Man! My thinking HAS
been changed about TRY FOR THE SUN! Sky;)


P. S. Can I still be stubborn and think the beginning
of his newer Peacekeeper DOES imply SON? Linz now
Has His Own Son and is Worried about the World!!!:(
LB sings ..."We Make All of OUR Sons...The Same!"
A greater force made the celestial sun in the sky!;)


FYI~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Our 8 inchs of snow is turning into 9 inchs! Snowed IN!!!
We'er going out to make a snow man!Thanks for Help!:)

[wondergirl9847]

Send some of that snow down to the Dallas/Fort Worth area!! I love snow...although, we rarely see it. :(

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by Cammie

Our 8 inchs of snow is turning into 9 inchs! Snowed IN!!!
We'er going out to make a snow man!Thanks for Help!:)

Make that a Snow Lindsey, ok? :laugh:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by Cammie

P. S. Can I still be stubborn and think the beginning
of his newer Peacekeeper DOES imply SON? Linz now
Has His Own Son and is Worried about the World!!!:(
LB sings ..."We Make All of OUR Sons...The Same!"
A greater force made the celestial sun in the sky!;)


I always thought Liddy was saying "We make all of our SONGS the same", or something like that. The son thing never crossed my mind, but ya never know, he could mean something like that, though I truly think he's talking about the sun, as in the star. I'm not sure what he would mean if he were saying something about "making all of our sons the same", because I don't think that'd make much sense. Oh well, it IS 1:04 AM, so... :laugh:

[DownOnRodeo]

Me and Carne at least always thought it was suns as in warheads or other explosives. I think there's a few ppl who agree with that one.

No dout it probably does refer to the celestial body itself because after all, the song is about the pantheon of alien gods looking down on Earth, talking about all the galaxies they've made and how Earth is a big disappointment. :D (Aw poor Lindsey we give him such a hard time :P )