Paper Doll- anyone else love this song? [Archive]

Merf

12-07-2003, 04:40 PM

I adore this song. Another FM song that has such dark content but sounds extremely peppy (see also: Monday Morning and Second Hand News, etc). Her use of dialogue is particularly striking in this song, too: my fave lines:

"he says: 'well I have forgotten you and your beautiful eyes. We were off the wall, we were mirrors of our former selves' "

I love this song.

strandinthewind

12-07-2003, 04:57 PM

Love it!

Siri Ruane

12-07-2003, 05:22 PM

I love it too. My uncle and I tore it apart in the car one day and figured out everything they were saying. Then we sang it the rest of the day... he did the background, I did Stevie. :laugh:

Oh, the good ol' Honda days...

deribish

12-07-2003, 06:00 PM

I love that part too.... But I always thought it was "I have forgotten you and your beautiful lies" -- which I always though was such a cool line. Either way, it's all good.

-D

Johnny Stew

12-07-2003, 08:52 PM

Count me as another fan of "Paper Doll."

jmn3

12-07-2003, 09:15 PM

Also a big "Paper Doll" fan. Though I always thought it sounded like Mick was playing a tin garbage can lid in the beginning. They should play it in concert, along with The Ledge. Mick can play the tin-can lid for PD, and Lindsey can pull out a big rubber band for The Ledge. :D

EveryHour

12-07-2003, 09:36 PM

One of my all-time favorite Stevie songs!!! I'm glad to see other people loving it! The lyrics! The bass line! The tempo! Stevie's phrasing! "Whoa! We were off the wall" is too great for words.

"Yesterday I was fascinated by somebody else..."

LOVE IT !

Though I definitely prefer the band with Lindsey, I am not against the BTM era...and this is one of those songs that I feel is better suited with Rick and Billy. Their background vocals 'go' so well. This song is perfection.

Cristian

12-07-2003, 10:55 PM

I think this is one of the rare cases in which Rick, Billy and Lindsey are in the band. Lindsey came up to do some guitar/vocal overdubs after the song was done, I think.

I am another fan of this song, BTW. Like the lyrics, like the almost crazy beat, the organ... Like it very much. :)

Song of the moment - Steal Your Heart Away

darklinensuit

12-08-2003, 12:38 AM

Count me in, I like it. I always thought nobody here liked it.

- Jake

ricohv

12-08-2003, 05:14 AM

I thought it sounded really hokey when I first heard it. There's something about the banjo-ish spounding guitar or something-not sure how to explain it-that I just couldn't stand. I like it a lot better now. I was surprised that it got a small amount of airplay and actually made the Hot 100- I think it went to 90 or something (not much to brag about, but still...).
The "she refused to wear her coat" bit always seemed kind of clunky lyrically, but I love:
you prefer to be just a little bit in & out of agany
you prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me
Well yesterday I was
(Yesterday I was)
Fascinated by somebody else
It seems like even in the few Stevie songs that I ever really just don't like (Thousand Days I like far less even than Paper Doll-kills me to listen to it) there are at least a few lyrics that I really like.
Ricoh

laurie816

12-08-2003, 07:33 AM

It's alright.

Lyrically I like it alot...she say's some really beautiful things...but I just think it should've been done differently...maybe a tad slower.

Everytime Stevie sings...."you pre-fer to be"...I can't help but do a 'bobblehead' move....she's enunciates it too much....like she's teaching syllable's to a bunch of second graders.

I could definately see it as a slow, funky kinda song. But that's just me :shrug:

(I'll duck as I leave this thread now:laugh: )

Tango

12-08-2003, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
This song is just plain fun, I love it! Anyone else like this song? No one ever talks about it, but I think it is great!

Why does EVERYONE hate Stevie's stuff from the late 80's early 90's? I think Paper Doll is one of her best, as well as some of her stuff from OSOTM, BTM, and Street Angel.

"There you go again" Christopher! :laugh: How many people have you polled to get this "everyone" statement??? ;)

Count me as a fan of Paper Doll, too. I also love the video. Not to scream and shout, though. :)

Moon Brother

12-09-2003, 06:25 AM

"You like a man with a future...you like a woman with a past..."

Oh Yeaahhh!

That totally sets the mood for me. I confess to being one of those crazy kind of folks that sings while walking down the street listening to their CD walkman. You know the kind - the kind of strange folks you try to avoid on the street.
I like to believe that I am spreading the word of...well..."Stevie" - to all that will listen. There are certain Stevie songs that I feel everyone on the planet should be able to hear.

"Paper Doll" is always on my top ten list of things to sings to the world at large. I also find that my singing habits keep the muggers away from me!

If you ever feel physically threatened on the streets or in some dark alley - simply bust into song with the tail end of Stevie's live Mirage tour version of "Sisters Of The Moon" They'll never know what hit them! It's better than mace!

This is my top ten list of songs I love to sing to while walking down the street listening to my CD walkman acting like a fool but I just don't care.

1. "Rhiannon" (Mirage Tour - live version)

2. "Sisters Of The Moon" (Mirage Tour - live version)

3. "Violet and Blue"

4. "Paper Doll"

5. "Gold Dust Woman" (White Wing Dove Tour - live version)

6. "Belladonna"

7. "Desert Angel"

8. "Destiny Rules"

9. "Gypsy"

10. "Sara"

So if you're ever in San Francisco and you hear someone croonin' on the streets these very songs, especially "Paper Doll" come on over and join the chorus!

"Well I was your Paper Doll...Paper Doll...
Well it doesn't really matter...it was a real clear answer..."

Peace, Love, and Magick~
Moon Brother

joe

12-09-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Cristian
I think this is one of the rare cases in which Rick, Billy and Lindsey are in the band. Lindsey came up to do some guitar/vocal overdubs after the song was done, I think.

i always wondered whether Lindsey was in the chorus on that one...i always thought i heard him but wasn't sure since there really was no credits to prove it.

i didn't like this song overall at first. i couldn't believe it was actually getting airplay. but there were certain parts of it that i kind of liked such as verses: "yesterday i was fascinated..." and
"he says, well i have forgotten you..." now i actually like the song a lot better than i used to. i guess it's grown on me although i haven't heard it in a while.

when you listen to stevie's late 80's/early 90's stuff, you really have to forget about the "rhiannons" and the "saras" and the "gypsys" etc etc because she wasn't going for that kind of sound at that time. Plus, she needed to branch out and try some new arrangements since the older stuff had gotten beaten into the ground.

dissention

12-09-2003, 09:18 AM

Another Paper Doll fan!

On first listen, it's a tad jarring. But it certainly grows on you faster than fungus. I love the "Well, I have forgotten you and your beautiful eyyyyyyyyyyes." One of her better songs from tat era! :D

JamieSPC

12-09-2003, 12:38 PM

This is a top-five favorite Mac song for me, and my wife's all-time favorite. There's so much going on in the song, both musically and lyrically, and it's so different from the "normal" Mac sound.

I've always felt this song was about the Buckingham Nicks cover shoot and the time around the BN album. Stevie has talked about the nude shot in interviews as being a thing she regrets in her career and something that made her vastly uncomfortable. I know Stevie's songs are often a hodge-podge lyrically and therefore tough to interpret but think about it:

"You could have said no
You could have said well I just can't"

Stevie has used those exact words about the BN cover shoot in interviews.

"Woah we were off the wall
We were mirrors of each other"

The picture was certainly off the wall, and the front and back covers of the BN album are mirror images.

The whole concept of "Paper Doll" could be seen as being about dressing up (or not dressing at all).

Often knowing a little FM or SN history makes her songs much more meaningful. I've always seen this song in that light.

~Jamie

PenguinHead

12-09-2003, 01:30 PM

I always heard this line as such:

"You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of apathy"

Which makes sense considering the following line...

"And not to scream and shout"

The thought being that not caring that much is easier than caring to much.

I don't hear "agony"

AliP

12-09-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by PenguinHead
I always heard this line as such:

"You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of apathy"

Which makes sense considering the following line...

"And not to scream and shout"

The thought being that not caring that much is easier than caring to much.

I don't hear "agony"

I always thought it was "you prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me."

sarahw

12-09-2003, 07:19 PM

Does anyone have the video they can email to me? I have looked all over to no avail....

Cristian

12-09-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by AliP
I always thought it was "you prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me." I hear that too! And I think it makes much more sense that way.

Song of the moment - Second Hand News

PenguinHead

12-09-2003, 08:26 PM

??????...yes "You prefer to be just and little bit in and out of love with me" of course, that is the first line of the stanza. That's unmistakable!

It's the second line in question....let me spell it out...

You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of -----------?

It's either agony or apathy. Probably "agony" but "apathy" would
be more dynamic.

EveryHour

12-09-2003, 10:27 PM

Hmmm...

To me, it's unmistakably "agony"

AliP

12-09-2003, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by PenguinHead
??????...yes "You prefer to be just and little bit in and out of love with me" of course, that is the first line of the stanza. That's unmistakable!

It's the second line in question....let me spell it out...

You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of -----------?

It's either agony or apathy. Probably "agony" but "apathy" would
be more dynamic.

whoops. Just listened to it, sounds like "agony" to me. Good catch, I never noticed that before!

celestenadia

12-09-2003, 11:54 PM

I've always heard ,"I've forgotten you and your beauty for long."

Tango

12-10-2003, 12:48 AM

Puts a new spin on a very old song! :)

From Nicks Fix:

Paper Doll
- written by s. nicks, r. vito, j. heron
- appears on Fleetwood Mac The Chain (1992)
- appears on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac (2002)
- released as a CD single; b-side The Chain (U.S. 1992)
Lyrics

You like a man with a future
You like a woman with a past
Well do you really believe that
She said to the faces in the crowd

(Chorus)
Yesterday I was fascinated by somebody else
Yesterday I was fascinated by somebody else

And even if you did miss me
You never let me know
You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me

(chorus)

Come on now let sad winds blow down
As the rain came...she refused to wear her coat
But deep in her heart she knew
That the song must go on

He says well I have forgotten you
And your beautiful eyes
We were off the wall
We were mirrors of our former selves well

You could have said no
You could have said well I just can't
Woah we were off the wall
We were mirrors of each other...passing by

(chorus)

Well I was your paper doll...paper doll
Well I was your paper doll...paper doll
And it doesn't even matter
It was a real clear answer

Johnny Stew

12-10-2003, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Tango
From Nicks Fix:

You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me
From the very first time I ever heard the song, I've always very plainly heard "in and out of agony" the second time.

As great as the Nicksfix is, they do get a lyric wrong sometimes. :)

By the way, deribish, it does almost sound as if Stevie is singing, "I have forgotten you and your beautiful lies."
I actually like the line better that way. :)

darklinensuit

12-10-2003, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by JamieSPC
I've always felt this song was about the Buckingham Nicks cover shoot and the time around the BN album.

Interesting. I've always thought it was addressed to the public, the faces in the crowd. She was no longer the golden girl of rock, she was in her Klonopin haze, etc.

- Jake

diamondsnake

12-10-2003, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
From the very first time I ever heard the song, I've always very plainly heard "in and out of agony" the second time.

As great as the Nicksfix is, they do get a lyric wrong sometimes. :)

By the way, deribish, it does almost sound as if Stevie is singing, "I have forgotten you and your beautiful lies."
I actually like the line better that way. :)

She confuses me with pronunciation all the time! For years I have heard Gypsy as:

She was just a witch, she was just a witch!

darklinensuit

12-10-2003, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by diamondsnake
She confuses me with pronunciation all the time! For years I have heard Gypsy as:

She was just a witch, she was just a witch!

I thought that, too, years ago.

- Jake

strandinthewind

12-11-2003, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by darklinensuit
I thought that, too, years ago.

- Jake

Me too!!!!!

I think she knows she is doing that and does it with a wink and a nod - sort of like when she said "I knew people would think 'Bombay Sapphires' was about the gin" :cool:

ricohv

12-11-2003, 06:31 AM

And how many times have we heard people -including interviewers who act like they are Stevies biggest fan, refer to Edge of 17 as "just like the ONE winged dove" ?

EricBliss12345

12-11-2003, 07:22 PM

You mean she's NOT saying "She was just a witch, she was just a witch?"

Up until 10 seconds ago that's what I thought she was saying too. The version I have that Christine sings also sounds like she's saying "She was just a witch."

Time to do some googling. :laugh:

But yeah, Paper Doll. Good song! It was almost enough to make me want to buy Behind The Mask until I found out it wasn't even on the album. It's kind of corny, but that doesn't mean it's bad. A lot of corny songs are pretty good (Led Zep's "Hot Dog" and Yes's "Arriving UFO" come to mind).

Nevermind, I forgot the Mirage booklet had the lyrics in it. Just a WISH. I see.

diamondsnake

12-11-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by EricBliss12345
You mean she's NOT saying "She was just a witch, she was just a witch?"

Up until 10 seconds ago that's what I thought she was saying too. The version I have that Christine sings also sounds like she's saying "She was just a witch."

Time to do some googling. :laugh:

But yeah, Paper Doll. Good song! It was almost enough to make me want to buy Behind The Mask until I found out it wasn't even on the album. It's kind of corny, but that doesn't mean it's bad. A lot of corny songs are pretty good (Led Zep's "Hot Dog" and Yes's "Arriving UFO" come to mind).

Nevermind, I forgot the Mirage booklet had the lyrics in it. Just a WISH. I see.

Don't feel bad! I made the same mistake until maybe a few months ago and i was blown away, because my favorite part in Gypsy was the "she was just a witch" part. maybe she has changed it through the years? i don't know!

And Paper Doll is a little, what is the word, cheesy, but i love all that late 80's early 90's style.