Live in Koblenz 1988

[chiliD]

http://www.geocities.com/the3birdsofrhiannon/index.html

Wonderfully shared on the above site is the spine-tingling version of "I Loved Another Woman/Brown Eyes" segue from the 1988 Koblenz concert.

I highly recommend a listen...from Peter Green to Tusk within 7 minutes.

WOWIE-WOW-WOW-WOW!!!

[Cristian]

Oh that whole show is GREAT. Really, it's got excellent sound (I had always wanted something with good quality, and complete, from that tour), and the song choices have so much variety, the performance is incredible... and that moment, with "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You", followed with the "I Loved Another Woman/Brown Eyes" medley (I just think that adding Peter Green songs to the set was a GREAT move) is just the best thing they could do.

This band had a lot of potential... I'm really sorry that Rick had to leave after the Behind The Mask tour, because I feel he and Billy brought really important aspects to the sound of the Mac.



Song of the moment - Don't Look Down

[chiliD]

I agree...that three song stretch is one of, if not, THE best three song triology in any live set they've ever done! That arrangement of "Brown Eyes" was great...although, WAY too short.



Also, Tiffany at:
http://www.bluewhitefire.com (http://www.bluewhitefire.com/)

Has the December 1987 LA Forum show for download.

The sets are very similiar...but, at the LA show, they played "Rattlesnake Shake" (great version) instead of "Stop Messin' Round" (tough to beat)...too bad they felt they couldn't play BOTH songs in the set.

[macfan 57]

I agree. I have a number of Tango bootlegs and the Koblenz show has the best sound quality of them all. It's too bad that the Tango DVD from the San Francisco show doesn't have Brown Eyes & HAEWAFY.

[ShamHy89]

I Loved Another Woman with Brown Eyes? How could it be more perfect!! That was sooo enjoyable to listen to, and I was in a trance the whole time. I agree with ChiliD that Brown Eyes is way to short...that whole thing left me drooling for more! :nod: I love Green and Christine more and more every day :D

Thanks for the links too, trackaghost!

Shamus:)

[golden braid]

I enjoyed I Loved Another Woman into Brown Eyes also. I think Billy and Rick did a good job playing Peter Green's bluesy material. :) And I always love HAEWAFY.

[ricohv]

Until I was looking at these BTM concert downloads earlier today I had never known that they did Don't Let Me Down Again live. I saw one of the BTM shows and dont remember that. How odd for that line up to do a BuckinghamNicks song (or at least odd that they did one penned by Lindsey!). But they did a great version and Stevie sounds pretty inspired on it, too!
Ricoh

[macfan 57]

Originally posted by ricohv
Until I was looking at these BTM concert downloads earlier today I had never known that they did Don't Let Me Down Again live. I saw one of the BTM shows and dont remember that. How odd for that line up to do a BuckinghamNicks song (or at least odd that they did one penned by Lindsey!).
Ricoh

They did "Don't Let Me Down Again" on the Tango tour in 1987-88. However, they never did it on the 1990 BTM tour.

[ricohv]

There's always a smarty-pants lurking in the backdrops waiting to correct me! :p
Ok- MY BAD! I got mixed up. And this probably explains why I don't remember hearing it at the BTM show I saw. Hmm, it doesn't explain why I don't remember it at the TITN show I saw though!:confused:

But that correction actually gives me even more of a point-because isn't it even more weird that they would do a Lindsey song (and not like GYOW where it's almost expected-but as one of the "filler" songs) right on the heels of his departure? Almost like saying "see, the new guys can fill your shoes-and we're gonna have 'em sing stuff YOU wrote before you even joined Fleetwood Mac!"
It just seems like it would've been less insulting to Linds, and more of a tip of the hat to the new guys, to have one of the "virtually unknown to the mainstream concert-goer" songs be a song from Rick or Billy's back catalog. JMO!
Ricoh

[The Chain]

I LOVE Seven Wonders from the Koblenz show... The BEST EVER:nod:

[chiliD]

originally posted by ricohv
...because isn't it even more weird that they would do a Lindsey song (and not like GYOW where it's almost expected-but as one of the "filler" songs) right on the heels of his departure? Almost like saying "see, the new guys can fill your shoes-and we're gonna have 'em sing stuff YOU wrote before you even joined Fleetwood Mac!"

I think that "Don't Let Me Down Again" was a GREAT song for Billy to do...it fits his "rockabilly" style like a glove. I don't think it was an "insult" at all. It had already been incorporated into the Fleetwood Mac repetoire anyway.

For a new member of Fleetwood Mac to sing/play a song by their predecessor (however "immediate") isn't an "insult", it's REQUIRED. Every successor to Peter Green has had to sing his songs, Lindsey, included...also, Lindsey had to sing a Bob Welch & Danny Kirwan tune or two, as well. Were they "insults" to Peter, Danny or Bob? Again, I don't think so. Even Christine McVie sang "Jumping At Shadows" all the way up to late 1975.

Bob Welch even covered "Shake Your Moneymaker" (the FMac cover, sung by Jeremy Spencer, of an old Elmore James tune) as an encore tune during his French Kiss tour.

originally posted by ricohv
...and more of a tip of the hat to the new guys, to have one of the "virtually unknown to the mainstream concert-goer" songs be a song from Rick or Billy's back catalog.

Yep. I'll agree there. And, again, I say Fleetwood Mac mis-utilized both Billy & Rick's talents their entire tenure in the band. Although, during the 1994/95 tour, Billy's "The Bigger The Love" (which Billy recorded twice on two different solo albums and that John McVie recorded for his "Gotta Band" album) was featured in Fleetwood Mac's set.

Billy Burnette songs that Fleetwood Mac should've incorporated into their set:

Try Me
It Ain't Over (which Christine sings backgrounds on)
Honey Hush (a cover of one of his dad or uncle's...Fleetwood Mac had previously recorded it for Kiln House, titled as "Hi Ho Silver")
Don't Say No
Brother To Brother (Rick Vito plays guitar on Billy's solo version)
I'm Not Me (Billy recorded it on a solo album AND was the title cut for Mick's Zoo's album)
Angel Come Home (the Beach Boys tune that Billy sang on Mick's Zoo's album)

[David]

Originally posted by macfan 57
I agree. I have a number of Tango bootlegs and the Koblenz show has the best sound quality of them all. I guess because it was radio broadcast. Most of the '87 recordings are audience recordings -- a lot of them are really tinny, like Landover back in October.

I recorded the two nights at the L.A. Forum, which I guess are circulating. All these performances were so similar, really. I don't think anyone has San Diego on tape, but just pretend your copy of L.A. is San Diego, & there ya go!

[David]

Originally posted by ricohv
But that correction actually gives me even more of a point-because isn't it even more weird that they would do a Lindsey song (and not like GYOW where it's almost expected-but as one of the "filler" songs) right on the heels of his departure? Almost like saying "see, the new guys can fill your shoes-and we're gonna have 'em sing stuff YOU wrote before you even joined Fleetwood Mac!" Billy really digs Lindsey, though. He said a bunch of times right after he joined Fleetwood how big a fan he was of Lindsey Buckingham. Fans who are musicians just love to play the songs written by their idols. I betcha it was Billy's idea to play "Don't Let Me Down Again." In fact, I betcha Billy's been singing that one in his living room for thirty years.

Didn't someone ask Billy about this for his Q&A?

(P.S. I betcha it was Rick's idea to play "I Loved Another Woman," being the huge Peter Green fan he is.)

[ryan8472]

I agree, this is a great show! I'd never heard a TITN show before now, and at first the old songs sounded really weird without Lindsey, but now I really like it. I only have one problem: I can't hear Christine's vocals on Everywhere or Brown Eyes, but I can hear the chorus on both. Strange....

[chiliD]

Originally posted by David
(P.S. I betcha it was Rick's idea to play "I Loved Another Woman," being the huge Peter Green fan he is.)

Not exactly...but close...Rick was wanting to do "Black Magic Woman", saying something to the effect of: "It's about time Fleetwood Mac take back the song from Santana"...but John McVie was strongly against it for that very reason. "I Loved Another Woman" was the compromise.

I really liked their version of "Stop Messin' Round", too...although, in 1988, it was a total Rick Vito vehicle...by 1990, Christine had added a really cool barrelhouse-type piano solo. Thank GOD, they left the horn section at home. :laugh:

[joe]

Originally posted by David
I guess because it was radio broadcast. Most of the '87 recordings are audience recordings -- a lot of them are really tinny, like Landover back in October.

I recorded the two nights at the L.A. Forum, which I guess are circulating. All these performances were so similar, really. I don't think anyone has San Diego on tape, but just pretend your copy of L.A. is San Diego, & there ya go!


Thanks for recording them....i was at the 12-7 show when i lived out there and i do have an audio of most of the show....for some reason, in the middle (right around Brown Eyes) i lost a few songs....so i don't have GDW or DLMDA....i'm really glad that i can get my hands on a better copy...mine also has too much audience noise (me included)....

thanks for posting the link to that site also (whoever it was).

you know, that was actually a decent set list back then....it was really cool that they bridged the old FM with the new FM.

[Cristian]

Originally posted by chiliD
by 1990, Christine had added a really cool barrelhouse-type piano solo. Thank GOD, they left the horn section at home. :laugh: And Rick introduces her in a very funny way (as you can hear in the 1990 Boston Garden bootleg). By the way, isn't this the best sounding record of the concerts from the Behind The Mask tours? I surely hope not, because it's really... bad. I mean, it's historic because the setlist is very interesting, mixing up songs from Behind The Mask with oldies dating back to Peter Green and so on... So there must be a good quality bootleg around there, right? Please say yes and post it! ;)


Song of the moment - Second Hand News

[macfan 57]

Originally posted by Cristian
And Rick introduces her in a very funny way (as you can hear in the 1990 Boston Garden bootleg). By the way, isn't this the best sounding record of the concerts from the Behind The Mask tours? I surely hope not, because it's really... bad. I mean, it's historic because the setlist is very interesting, mixing up songs from Behind The Mask with oldies dating back to Peter Green and so on... So there must be a good quality bootleg around there, right? Please say yes and post it! ;)


Song of the moment - Second Hand News

The best quality BTM bootleg that I have is the Manchester show. It's a soundboard and the sound quality is excellent. Also, there are a few little interesting quirks with this show. Stevie dedicates Landslide to Christine's brother who was in the audience and she mixes up the lyrics on Gold Dust Woman. She sings take your "Silver Springs" instead of "silver spoon" at the beginning of the song. The whole show is great and as far as I know it's the only soundboard from that tour that has circulated.:)

Also, the Fresno show from the Tango tour is another good one. It's also from a radio broadcast. This bootleg & the Germany show are the best of the Tango shows, in my opinion.

[David]

The best quality BTM bootleg that I have is the Manchester show. It's a soundboard and the sound quality is excellent.I think that Manchester show was a radio broadcast -- BBC-1 or BBC-2 or whatever -- that was bootlegged in a nice 2-disc package about a year or two later.

From Salt Lake City 1990, we've got "Save Me" & "Stop Messin' Round" on soundboard (mislabeled frequently as "Wembley Arena 1988"). The rest of Salt Lake City should show up some day; it's part of the Harding Stash.

Also, there are a bunch of songs from a 1990 tour rehearsal on soundboard, including "Dreams," "Rhiannon," "The Chain" & "When the Sun Goes Down." The band played "When the Sun Goes Down" at Cal Expo Amphitheater in Sacramento & at Shoreline in the South Bay. It's not on the Las Vegas Aladdin video eight days later, so I guess they dropped it early.

[David]

you know, that was actually a decent set list back then....it was really cool that they bridged the old FM with the new FM.For those of us who went to see Mac every time they played out, it was the first time we had heard them play "Gold Dust Woman" in a looong time.

[AliceLover]

This is my FAVORITE Fm era!! I'm so glad everyone loves this too!

BTM tour- Stop Messin Round- HOLY **** Rick Vitos guitar solo was incredible. Unbelieveable! I have lots of videos from this tour and every solo is awesome! EVERYWHERE- Rick added these riffs onto the song that made it awesome! (and of course we get some stevie twirls too!)

DLMDA was awesome of course on TITN!
Over My head was a nice treat too.

WHY DID STEVIE DROP GYPSY AND RHIANNON BY NOVEMBER OF 87???????????????????????????????????????????????

Jimmy

[amber]

Hi, since i'm apparently a lame-o, I couldn't find it on the site. possible more specific direction? :D
AMber

[SteveMacD]

Now, I don't have any '87 boots, and was deemed too young to see a rock concert in 1987 (mom thought 13 was too young), so I've been VERY curious about "Rattlesake Shake." Who sang lead, and how did it come off?

Oh, and as for Billy wanting to do DLMDA, the Buckingham Nicks version of that song sounds so much like Delaney Bramlett (another of his idols), that I wouldn't be at all shocked if he'd been playing that for many years prior to 1987 just for sh*ts and giggles.

[Hawkeye]

Rick Vito sang Rattlesnake Shake, and I think it's the best live RS there is. It's really amazing.

[chiliD]

Rick Vito sang Rattlesnake Shake, and I think it's the best live RS there is. It's really amazing.


Ditto! :blob2:

[David]

Also, the Fresno show from the Tango tour is another good one. It's also from a radio broadcast. This bootleg & the Germany show are the best of the Tango shows, in my opinion.Revisiting this old thread with some new info: I suspect we're going to see two or three never-before-heard soundboard recordings of some of those 1987 shows in the next few months, thanks to the illustrious, generous, charming Tiffany (whose site www.bluewhitefire.com is a kick).

More & more surfaces all the time, & I'm still amazed by fans who can get all wet over some silly plan the record companies have to release something. We don't need the record companies any more. Extirpate them from your thinking. Who gives a damn what their release plans are? (with the important exception of Peter Green-era Mac, rarities of which are continually being released officially)

As I think back over the last 25 years or so of my FM fanaticism, I marvel at the fact that the vast majority of exciting favorites in my collection had nothing to do with a record company.

[David]

Now, I don't have any '87 boots, and was deemed too young to see a rock concert in 1987 (mom thought 13 was too young), so I've been VERY curious about "Rattlesake Shake." Who sang lead, and how did it come off?As Hawkeye said, Rick did. It was bone-crunching rock & roll live & in person, & that's always a good thing at a Fleetwood Mac show.

[chiliD]

Speaking of "I Loved Another Woman" (as I had earlier in this thread :) ), I saw a track listing of a poorly recorded 1974 show with ILAW as an encore tune. I wonder if that was an error (mistaking it for BMW or something), or did Bob Welch & company REALLY play ILAW back then?

[macfan 57]

Revisiting this old thread with some new info: I suspect we're going to see two or three never-before-heard soundboard recordings of some of those 1987 shows in the next few months, thanks to the illustrious, generous, charming Tiffany (whose site www.bluewhitefire.com is a kick).


Thanks for the info. :) Two or three more new soundboards? That sounds great! I just bookmarked that website.

[macfan 57]

Speaking of "I Loved Another Woman" (as I had earlier in this thread :) ), I saw a track listing of a poorly recorded 1974 show with ILAW as an encore tune. I wonder if that was an error (mistaking it for BMW or something), or did Bob Welch & company REALLY play ILAW back then?

It was not an error. I have that show. Bob & Christine do it as a duet. It's radically different than the Rick Vito versions.