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11-16-2003, 09:08 PM
MOJO, December 2003

Take it to the Limit
by Phil Sutcliffe

“God knows all our lives are unimaginable without each other,” mutters Mick Fleetwood, glancing speculatively from one old friend to another. It’s a line you might expect to crop up in Friends or Cold Feet, but it’s quite a thing to say at Madison Square Garden in front of 20,000 people when you’re really just introducing the band.

This is Fleetwood Mac, though, the longest-running soap opera in rock’n’roll, so portentous lines never go amiss.

The underlying plot motif of recent months has been yet another comeback successfully accomplished. The new studio album, Say You Will, has sold a million in the US while the tour, begun last May, has grown and grown, now extending to Europe and seven November shows in the UK. And the revivified band, minus Christine McVie, “retired” pro tem, demonstrates nightly that this is no nostalgia trip, it’s Fleetwood Mac full on. Trim Lindsey Buckingham, 55, sings like a deranged Roy Orbison, dazzle-fingers the guitar strings, then stumbles away thumping his heart as if each solo might be his last. Stevie Nicks, 55 too, aflutter with black lace, so forgets her trademark wafty witchy ways that she punches the air like a Premiership goalscorer and defies the logic of middle-age, gravity and her stilettos to kick up her skirts and execute a dizzying Dervish twirl.

But that’s not all. Because here’s the news. Four songs in, Buckingham and Nicks, the romantic leads who broke up amid Rumours 27 years ago, are gazing into each others’ eyes across the stage as they sing a harmony. A little later, she hip-wiggles up to him and her fingers dance air guitar right next to his. In Landslide, as he reaches - let’s face it - a climax, she slips behind him, a hand on his arm and he turns and kisses her forehead. Then, at the end of Tusk, they fall into a full embrace. Buckingham breaks from the clinch and, bent like Quasimodo, makes for a microphone. He tilts his head back and roars. “Rrrrrraaaaarrrr!”

The following afternoon in a wood-panelled suite at the Waldorf Astoria, Stevie Nicks, as on-stage a living susurrus in diaphanous black, is chuckling about Buckingham’s silly walk and animal noises. Nothing to do with Victor Hugo, she says: “It’s Tusk the elephant. That whole African-drum, tusk-in-the-air, happy, religious, ritualistic thing, with Mick as the African chief. Making that record, we became like a tribe. In the studio we had two ivory tusks as tall as Mick on either side of the console. The board became ‘Tusk’. If something went wrong it was, ‘Tusk is down’. Those 13 months working in that room were our journey up the sacred mountain to the sacred African percussion, uh, place, where all the gods of music lived.”

Frankly, sacred mountains and gods of music were just the ticket to start MOJO's retrospective on the notorious vinyl double that was 1979’s Tusk. Back then, record moguls dubbed it “Lindsey’s folly”. Yet, of late, MOJO has encountered diverse young bands - The Strokes, Air, The Webb Brothers, -- unexpectedly quoting Tusk as influential. It was recently designated “a landmark of radical MOR” by The Guardian. How prescient American critical doyen Greil Marcus looks now, having written in his October 1979 Tusk review that “Fleetwood Mac is subverting the music from the inside out, very much like one of John LeCarre’s moles - who, planted in the heart of the establishment, does not begin his secret campaign of sabotage and betrayal until everyone has gotten used to him, and takes him for granted.”

Tusk erupted out of the lives in tornado turmoil. Three years before Tusk, with Buckingham-Nicks a promising duo and utterly broke, as an improbably Los Angeleno Mrs. Mop Nicks had set aside her chiffon in favour of “Ajax and a toilet brush”. Then Mick Fleetwood called and everything went wild. Joining Fleetwood (drums/band manager) and the McVies, John (bass) and Christine (keyboards/vocals), they made a US Top 10 album, Fleetwood Mac, which successfully shifted the band’s reputation from the Brit R&B of Peter Green days to Californian soft rock. Then came the global monster, eventual 30-million-selling Rumours. In the course of his vertical take-off, malign scriptwriters took over their lives.

Christine McVie walked out on her marriage to John, largely because of his boozing. Soon she was living with band lighting engineer Curry Grant, and, in the early days of Tusk, John married his secretary, Julie Rubens (one relationship that has endured). Nicks broke up with Buckingham after five fraught years. She took up with The Eagles’ Don Henley and others, while he played the field before going steady with a woman called Carol Harris. Fleetwood and his wife Jenny (Pattie Boyd-Harrison/Clapton’s sister) divorced and remarried. Then, unbeknownst to the band, he began an affair with Nicks.

And everyone drank, smoked and snorted loads. Unsurprisingly, when Buckingham called at Fleetwood’s Bel Air home early in 1978 to discuss strategy - “What the **** were we going to do now?” as the drummer puts it - it took three days.

Still sporting an enormous Afro yet captivated by new wave, Buckingham insisted that he couldn’t stand any laurel-flaunting ’Rumours II’ operation. Sitting in an airily sumptuous apartment at the Ritz-Carlton, he tells MOJO how he tried to convey that, in adapting to the band, “I was losing a great deal of myself” - to both their music and high-on-the-hog lifestyle. He wanted to record his songs at home, then bring them to the band.

Fleetwood, now 56, is ensconced 100 yards along the block in the rather more antique Plaza (different hotels because they all have their New York favourites; otherwise they’d all stay together, honest). His ultimate reaction to the “new boy” was that “what he suggested was quite possible and, I thought, a survival plan for the band - although I know I understood it more readily than John and Christine did.”

“Begrudging agreement” was all Buckingham needed. That May, he went home and got stuck in.

A daytime person and fervent admirer of the discipline his Olympic silver-medalist older brother Greg brought to swimming, he discovered “an extreme focus which was in many ways to the detriment of other parts of my life, I know. My thought was, let’s subvert the norm. Let’s slow the tape machine down, or speed it up, or put the mike on the bathroom floor and sing and beat on, uh, kleenex box! My mind was racing. I love it.”

Bearing home tapes of squally, manic pieces like The Ledge and Not That Funny, Buckingham would join the band at Village Recorders where the owners had re-equipped Studio D for around $1.4 million. The band were supposed to buy it, but when that fell through they ended up paying much the same in rent - not to mention nightly lobster and champagne takeaways.

The shiny new-machine look didn’t last. Tickled by the tusks, Nicks hung drapes above the desk, stuck paintings and Polaroids on the walls and plugged rainbow lights in everywhere. “It became very vibey, mystical, incensy and perfumed,” she purrs. But Buckingham was not for soothing. Engineer Ken Caillat, a Tusk co-producer and the boffin behind the DVD version due out early next year, still frowns on the guitarist’s contrariness: “He was a maniac. The first day, I set the studio up as usual. Then he said, ‘Turn every knob 180 degrees from where it is now and see what happens.’ He’d tape microphones to the studio floor and get into a sort of push-up position to sing. Early on, he came in and he’d freaked out in the shower and cut off all his hair with nail scissors. He was stressed. And into sound destruction.”

Given the band’s emotional history, calming influences hardly abounded. John McVie - 58 this month and not doing interviews - found himself regularly advising the whippersnapper Buckingham to get his hands off the bass parts, one reason for the bassist’s early departure from the studio to his ocean-going yacht and consequent substitution by a cardboard cut-out in the Tusk video.

While Caillat recollects “some kind moments” between Nicks and Buckingham, the guitarist/producer sees the peaceful passages as “exercises in denial”. Tellingly, he has recalled Nicks “coming in once a week to do her song and that would be it”, while her perception was that “I was in the studio every day for 13 months.” Feeling insecure within the band, she bonded more than ever with Christine and engaged The Eagles’ manager Irving Azoff, with whom she secretly set up a new label, Modern, to launch a solo career.

She didn’t inform Fleetwood of this intention until January, 1980. Their own veiled affair, meanwhile continued beyond the collapse of Fleetwood’s remarriage to Jenny in 1978, only to end suddenly that October when he fell for Sara Recor, Nicks’s best friend and titular inspiration for the song, written a few months earlier, that became Tusk’s most enduring hit.

For months after that, says Nicks, “We weren’t talking to each other very much. We were there, but looking past each other. Everybody was nervous: ‘Is she going to burst into tears and leave?’” Nicks believes the rest of the band realised what was going on, but Buckingham, his attention and perceptions fiercely “compartmentalised”, has said he knew nothing until a couple of years after the event when Fleetwood, in English gentlemanly fashion, gave him a ‘There’s something you ought to know’ speech.

Nor was that the last of the complications. Nicks had a liason with Caillat’s assistant engineer, Hernan Rojas. Christine McVie met Beach Boy Dennis Wilson one night at Village Recorders and within days he had moved into her mansion, haunting the Tusk sessions thereafter - Caillat describes him “coming in hammered, stinking of alcohol, walking around with a jug of vodka and orange juice in his hand”.

The uproar wasn’t all about love, though. Tusk’s leading actors, Buckingham and Fleetwood absorbed onslaughts that had nothing to do with the vagaries of eccentric ego and erratic passion. In July, 1978, during a touring time-out from recording, Buckingham collapsed in a Philadelphia hotel suite with a seizure, soon diagnosed as epilepsy. Intimations of mortality? “Not really; More, What the hell was that? You’re on the bathroom floor, your girlfriend’s crying and you’re, Huh? What? It does take a horrible toll on your body. You go into this complete coiled-spring thing. But once I was prescribed Dilantin I had no more problems.”

Then, within a few months, his father died, aged 56, after years of heart problems probably caused by the strain of running the family’s troubled coffee business. Morris Buckingham, who always encouraged Lindsey’s rock’n’rolling when a career in law or architecture would have better suited his social standing, is one of Tusk’s co-dedicatees. The other is Wing Commander Mike Fleetwood, Mick’s father, who died of cancer in summer, 1978. When Fleetwood learned that his father was fading he flew home. He was able to say a proper farewell and his father’s spirit stayed with him, tangibly, while the Tusk maelstrom raged to a conclusion.

“My father and mother used to come on tours for weeks on end,” says Fleetwood. “They were like parents to everyone on the road. I’d been hopeless at school and when I was 15 my father backed me in leaving to go to London and play drums. So it was gratifying to know he’d seen my pipedream come true. But after he died what I always had with me was the tapes he’d made of his own poems and other writings. Fantastic pieces. Whenever I’d get drunk we’d all sit around listening to my dad! Well, in truth, it was probably a bit strange to some people” ‘Oh, there goes Mick again, playing his dad’s tapes, sitting there on the floor with tears pouring down his cheeks.’ But that’s how much that all meant to me.”

In June, 1979, Tusk was done. Fleetwood Mac had a high old time recording the title track brass section and video at Dodger Stadium with the 100-string University of Southern California Trojan Marching Band. Nicks led the baton-twirlers, as she did in high school; Fleetwood banged the big bass drum. He updated Warner boss Mo Ostin on what they’d been up to - the 2- tracks, the million dollars - and recalls a response along the lines, “You’re insane doing a double album at this time. The business is ****ed, we’re dying the death, we can’t sell records, and this will have to retail at twice the normal price. It’s suicide. You’ve got to stop ‘em!” So they went ahead. They had the power.

On October 10, out came 20 tracks and 72 minutes of strange, tripolar sounds; Buckingham barking and hollering into the back of beyond, Nicks murmuring mysticism, and McVie cooing and coaxing with the cool elegance of classic pop.

The opening two tracks set the tone. McVie’s Over And Over floats on a gentle stream of dappled piano and slide guitar, lovely, simple but neither daft nor innocent as it frets, albeit languidly, “Don’t turn me away/And don’t let me down.” Next up, it’s Buckingham’s The Ledge, and suddenly you’re at some deranged circus, drums stomping like a seaboot dance - Fleetwood’s blissfully minimalist sophistication on Over And Over is the perfect antithesis - the guitar off-key, and ungainly as a very fat man sprinting, the voice gloating, nagging, slurry and barely comprehensible. Nicks makes her entry with track five, Sara, laid-back cruise-rock and full-on sex, “Drowning in the sea of love/Where everyone would love to drown”. And so it rolls. The oddball and the familiar. The rowdy and the slick. Arguably, it’s even the man versus the women, as nine Buckingham tracks oppose (complement?) six from McVie and five from Nicks. Even so, while these extremes can hardly be overstated, Buckingham’s recollection is that the band did play on all but one of his songs - Save Me A Place - and his guitar, production and harmony vocal contributions to the McVie and Nicks compositions are clearly as diligent and sensitive as they were on the previous two albums. Ultimately, none of them could resist doing their best for the music, regardless of personal conflicts.

Ken Caillat, irked for the duration because he believed the band should “do something like Rumours, the public want that”, fought his corner when he took the lead on sequencing and largely ensured that “those more disturbing songs were spaced out between Christine’s and Stevie’s”. No wonder Buckingham long ago reconciled himself to the view that the Tusk effect is much like a wacky solo album constantly bobbing up and down demanding attention throughout somebody else’s record. But, disjointed and dislocated as it is, there’s not a dull track on it. It’s beautiful and nuts and not at all what’s supposed to happen in the music industry even now, and that’s why fans and bands are still coming to it fresh. Retrospecting in 1995, a latecomer to the album’s motley throng of disciples, Simon Reynolds wrote that, “Tusk ranks as one of the great career sabotage LPs in pop history alongside The Clash’s Sandinista!, ABC’s Beauty Stab and Beastie Boys’ Paul’s Boutique”. He further compared it to Sly And The Family Stone’s There’s A Riot Goin’ On ”as anti-populist refusal of the soft option and the easy money, as cocaine-addled exercise in superstar experimentalism” and, giving Buckingham a thrill no doubt, to PiL’s Metal Box: “Both were long-awaited double albums released late in 1979, with bizarre packaging; both were essays in anti-rockism, both were attempts to sidestep an audience’s expectations.”

Yet, cruelly, Ostin’s hard-headed assessment of the times and the economy proved accurate. And the promotional strategists certainly didn’t help matters with a couple of desperate misfires. The utterly eccentric Tusk was the first single released - like some bizarre health warning to Rumours purchasers - after which, with great fanfare, the whole album was broadcast on Westwood One radio to the accompaniment, as Fleetwood later lamented, of a nation’s cassette recorders hissing away. It soon became evident that sales would total less than a quarter of its predecessor’s phenomenal figures.

However, before recriminations began, the mayor of Los Angeles declared the release date ‘Fleetwood Mac Day’. At the launch party, Nicks took the mike to thank revellers at Frederick’s of Hollywood’s saucy lingerie emporium for “believing in the crystal vision”.

The Tusk tour proved more blur than crystal vision. “It almost killed the band”, wrote Fleetwood in his autobiography. He meant both financially and, at times, physically as the frazzled fivesome decided that the only way to keep the show on the road from Pocatello, Idaho on October 26, 1979, to Los Angeles on September 1, 1980, was to indulge themselves. In America, they chartered their own planes, latterly the Caesar’s Palace casino’s private Boeing 707. In Europe, wary of airport customs’ drug-seeking diligence, they hired their own luxurious train.

Hoteliers must have cringed to hear of their coming. Nicks’s rooms had to be repainted pink, so a white piano was required. And Caillat recalls at one European stopover a window frame was removed and a crane deployed to get a baby grand into Christine’s suite. As for the men, they enjoyed a practical joke. A favourite was the celebration of tour manager John Courage’s birthday by filling his room with 50 chickens accompanied, for farmyard verisimilitude, by bales of straw. Inevitably, a further “king’s ransom” was spent on keeping the party supplied with cocaine and alcohol. They even argued extravagantly: Fleetwood has recalled spending $2,000 on an all-night shouting match with Sara on the phone from Japan to California.

Under all this self-inflicted pressure, Fleetwood’s robust constitution began to crack up, conspicuously so before Christmas, 1979 at the San Francisco press conference. His whole body went into spasm, though he stayed at his post, trying to answer questions while Christine massaged his shoulders. “It was hypoglycaemia,” says Fleetwood. “I was manic depressive, I’d hyperventilate. Eat a bowl of ice cream and I was all right for 20 minutes, then down again. It was 18 months of hell. I thought I was going crazy. I had these weird psychedelic, coma-like visions and quite a few of them turned out to be true. Once, I saw [co-producer] Richard Dashut in the control booth smoking a joint and a policeman walked in behind him. I rang him and he said a policeman friend of his had come by the studio that night. Gospel truth!”

Eventually, the condition was diagnosed and a diet suggested which, he discovered via rigorous testing, kept the hallucinations at bay while enabling him to “keep on rocking like a madman”.

Buckingham too started to come unscrewed, overwhelmed by frustrations about his relationship with Nicks, the way it ended, her position as crowd favourite at concerts. In March 1980, playing to 60,000 in Auckland, New Zealand while loaded with whisky (according to Fleetwood), he pulled his jacket over his head in grotesque imitation of Nicks’s drapes and started to ape her twirling moves. Then he ran across the stage and kicked her. Nicks carried on like a trouper.

In the dressing-room, head hung in shame, he was confronted by Christine McVie who slapped him and threw a glass of wine over him: “Don’t you ever do that to this band again! Ever! Is that clear?”

Buckingham can’t remember the events, but says, with bemusement: “Oh, I wouldn’t doubt that I mimicked Stevie on-stage. And kicked her? That could have happened too.”

The end of the Tusk tour was a relief to all. But within weeks the band members’ accountants, particularly Nicks’s man Irving Azoff, had all come to a conclusion about the tour: it played to enormous sell-out crowds and made no money. In two meetings that September, the second at Fleetwood’s house in Bel Air, the player-manager found himself encircled by inquisitorial suits and silent bandmates.

“It was a terrible occasion,” sighs Fleetwood. “My only defence was, Well, you try and stop them spending! Me and John Courage had tried early in the tour. We booked cheaper hotels. but we had so many complaints from the band. We were all basically insane! Instead of five limos we would have 14 because we loved everyone we were travelling with so the lighting guy and so on had cars too.” (Shrewd McVie eventually decided to take his “limo” in cash and travel on the crew bus.)

The band assured Fleetwood they trusted him, they knew he didn’t have his hand in the till. It was just that, as Buckingham puts it, “Mick isn’t a budget kind of guy.” And that meant, after six years as manager, he had to go - to be replace by the “committee” of individual representatives who, Fleetwood feels, have complicated band life ever since.

“It was pretty...ugly,” he says. “But I took it like a man. I remember halfway through the meeting I went up to my bedroom for a brandy and I said to Sara I was actually sort of relieved. It was all too much. It hurt. But I understood. And I was sound enough, yet again, to say ‘I can eat crow and move on’.” At different points, Fleetwood has called the Tusk story “the end of an era” and “the reason why this band still exists”. Nowadays, he tends to think both of these seeming contradictions are true.

Twenty-three years on, in Madison Square Garden, at the end of Don’t Stop, Buckingham and Nicks strike a startling tableau centre-stage. In profile, she stands with her back to him gazing upwards, he bends low over his guitar, his face buried in her ash-blonde hair. The crowd sighs. And steams. The hands of lovers young and old entwine. But it probably wouldn’t work if it wasn’t based on a true story.

At the Ritz-Carlton earlier that day, Buckingham mused, in his California way: “Stevie and I could never quite find each other after Tusk. You have to understand that this is someone I met when I was 16 [they duetted California Dreaming at a high school party before they were introduced]. I was completely devastated when she took off. And yet, trying to rise above that professionally, I produced hits for her, I had to do a lot of things for her that I really didn’t want to do. If I kicked her on-stage, that was....something coming through the veneer. There has been a lot of darkness.”

After Tusk, despite being blamed for its “failure”, Buckingham made two more albums with Fleetwood Mac, quitting in 1988 before the Tango In The Night tour. He released three intense, uncommercial solos, had one rejected by Warners, and drifted back into the Mac ambit via 1997’s MTV Unplugged and The Dance reunion live album. In the late ‘90s, he married and had two children, Will and Lee.

Nicks started her solo side-venture with the smash Bella Donna in 1981 and followed it with six others. With her off-stage life dominated by medical problems, she left the band after 1990’s undistinguished Behind The Mask. For eight years she was hooked on Klonopin, a tranquilliser prescribed by her doctor, but since 1994 she has beaten all her addictions, even the 60-a-day Kools.

Reconciliation came - slowly - out of the band reunions and, probably, a mellowing in Buckingham. Ken Caillat quotes a recent conversation: “He said, ’I’m a selfish guy.’ Which is true, he’s all about me, me, me. He admitted he had even been angry about having a child to start with. Then one day the kid grabbed his little finger and he just got it. He understood there was another world out there.”

And when Nicks rejoined Fleetwood Mac for the intriguingly Tusk-like Say You Will - he found her ready to forgive - and not forget, but laugh about “the time you threw that Les Paul at me” and such..

“Now, on the road, we’ve had many really good talks,” he says. “We’ve known each other most of our lives and yet we’re still trying to figure out what’s going on. Obviously, a lot of love as a subtext. But where is that love? How do we get in touch with any of that? For all of us, the decisions we make now are going to determine how we are as people until we die. Stevie and I are trying to look at it...with care.”

He grunts a laugh. “It’s significant that someone can end up, you know.... not having killed you!”

“Now I just adore him,” says Nicks, with ravishing candour. “He is my love. My first love and my love for all time. But we can’t ever be together. He has a lovely wife, Kristen, who I really like, and they are expecting their third child. The way he is with his children just knocks me out. I look at him now and just go, Oh, Stevie, you made a mistake!”

She leans forward. “But when we go on-stage together we are able to experience our love affair again - and again and again! For two and a half hours, four times a week...There isn’t really anybody in my life - it wouldn’t be good for me now anyway, I’m always away. But when hard times come over the next 20 or 30 years, when people we love die, he’ll be the first person I’ll call. Knowing that now, I think he has been able to let go of all the nasty things that happened and realise that, like I said to him, Lindsey, you’ll always have me. I’m always a phone call away. So you get it all.”

“It’s a forever story with those two,” grins Fleetwood. “As it is with all of us.” He likes forever stories. It’s his “obsession” that’s kept the band going since Peter Green’s departure in 1970. Even when Christine McVie quit after recording the rather sorry Time in 1995, the brand name duo continued as ever, ace rhythm section in search of a band. Fleetwood, long divorced from Sara, is now married again, to Lynn, with 18-month-old daughters. John McVie and Julie have a 14-year-old daughter, Molly. McVie has been a teetotal for years while, after eight years’ abstinence, Fleetwood feels confident his “occasional glass of wine” won’t set him off again.

The gabby one and the quiet one remain the bedrock of one another’s lives, Fleetwood reckons. “John is truly my best friend,” he says. “I adore him. It’s mutual. We’ve been through so much. He is the most truthful person I know. We share a sense of humour. Loyalty; Musically, we’ve done it for so long together that...anything else is shallow compared to John. Long ago, playing the blues, we learnt that a rhythm section needs to be gracious: you’re creating a platform for others. We don’t have musical egos at all.

“I have a home on Maui in Hawaii. Now John’s thinking, ‘Where do I go when I retire?’ And about three weeks ago on the plan he told me, ‘I’m pretty dam sure I’m going to build a house on Oahu’ [a neighbouring island]. Well, you’ve got to give yourself a few days off before you start pushing up daisies and to know that, in our latter years, he’s going to be just over the road...that makes me feel good.”

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Inset #1:

Undercover Punk
Phil Sutcliffe reveals the love of new wave that shaped Lindsey Buckingham’s startling contributions to Tusk.

“I never much wanted to be in this band in the first place,” muses Lindsey Buckingham, just 28 years too late, a few hours before he goes on-stage with Fleetwood Mac at Madison Square Garden. “I would much rather have been in a band like The Clash from the beginning. Ha!”

There again, The Clash didn’t get together until 18 months after Buckingham and Nicks joined Fleetwood Mac, and anyway they were in Shepherd’s Bush, not Los Angeles, where the vibes were rather different.

That wrong-place-wrong-time sensation nagged at the guitarist as, throughout his career, he wrestled with a band member’s need to “play team ball” and his own creative instinct to write and sing whatever the wished - and his internal strife came to a head with Tusk.

He would interrogate British journalists visiting the Fleetwood Mac camp about the latest news on The Clash, the Sex Pistols, The Pretenders, Gang Of four and moan about the rest of the band’s conservatism; Fleetwood and McVie had no interest in new wave, Nicks only listened to Derek And The Dominos and Steve Miller in her dressing-room.

But he did credit those British punks for “deprogramming me” and “giving me the courage” to take a stand and insist he be given his head on Tusk so that, he hoped, the band that soothed the world with Rumours could maybe “shake people up and make them think.” Close to 25 years on, it’s fair to say he succeeded.

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Inset #2:

Fleetwood’s Finest
The best of the Mac by Sylvie Simmons and Phil Sutcliffe.

Greatest Hits
Columbia, November 1971
Twelve fine cuts from ‘68-’71 find a band going through big changes. All three troubled singer-guitarist-writers are here - Jeremy Spencer’s tough US blues, Danny Kirwan’s lean Anglo pastoral, and Peter Green’s impressive, diverse originals: wistful Albatross, Latin-noir Black Magic Woman, introspective Man Of the World and Green Manalishi door-matting his descent into nightmare. (SS)

Fleetwood Mac
Warner Bros., July 1975
Eleventh album, first with Buckingham/Nicks; a new life begins. Christine McVie’s lovely-groove seductions shaded by Nicks’ dying-fall romances (Rhiannon, Landslide). There’s a musical dimension to intra-band drama as John McVie’s masterful, undeniably busy bass shoulders young Buckingham aside. His creative ego fumed. (PS)

Rumours
Warner Bros., February 1977
The great paradox. Individual relationships fall apart and the band becomes the perfect team, their USP male/female combo working a treat as the grief beds down. Nearly every song says goodbye, but generously - a kind, yet essential honest account of what they’d been through. Eternal mass empathy ensues. (PS).

Tango In The Night
Warner Bros., April 1987
Buckingham resentfully drops a solo album to produce, then leaves pre-tour. Nicks is semi-detached by Klonopin. Routinely inebriated Anglos soldier on. Result: surprising retrieval of mid-’70s enchantment through Everywhere’s charm (C. McVie), Big Love’s lusty longing (Buckingham), and When I See You Again’s ache of loss (Nicks). (PS)

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Additional information: Fleetwood by Mick Fleetwood and Stephen Davis (Sidgwick & Jackson); Rumours Exposed: The Unauthorized Biography Of Fleetwood Mac by Leah Furman (Citadel). The band tours the UK for the first time in 15 years from November 22 (Newcastle) until December 19 (Earls Court, London). A single, Peacekeeper, is out on November 24.

Merf
11-17-2003, 12:30 AM
Les, this is truly an amazing article... with some great insight on Tusk and now. Thank you so much for taking the time to type the whole thing for us! :)

darklinensuit
11-17-2003, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Les
The board became ‘Tusk’. If something went wrong it was, ‘Tusk is down’.

Early on, he came in and he’d freaked out in the shower and cut off all his hair with nail scissors. He was stressed. And into sound destruction.”

And Caillat recalls at one European stopover a window frame was removed and a crane deployed to get a baby grand into Christine’s suite

(Shrewd McVie eventually decided to take his “limo” in cash and travel on the crew bus.)



Love these lines, especially that Tusk is down. Are you sure they meant the board, Stevie?:laugh:

- Jake

GardenStateGirlie
11-17-2003, 02:23 AM
Les, thanks so much for taking the time to write this up for us. It's much appreciated!! :nod:

DownOnRodeo
11-17-2003, 02:32 AM
I read this earlier but the board was too busy or something to let me post (probably due to all the AMA commotion). Thanks Les for typing this; I don't know how you do it!
I think Jake quoted some of the best parts. About quiet old John really being the most shrewd; and gee, what a harrowing insight into working with Lindsey :laugh: Poor Ken still seems sort of traumatised about the FM days. :laugh:
Do you get to see any of this on the Tusk Doco? ie, do you see the recording studio? Or is that doco just the tour and reheasals.

golddustchic
11-17-2003, 02:51 AM
Wow...that's was incredible!! Thanks so much Les.

That part where Stevie was talking about watching Lindsey with his kids and thinking "oh Stevie, you made a mistake." That part killed me:(

Gazza
11-17-2003, 05:05 AM
Buckingham too started to come unscrewed, overwhelmed by frustrations about his relationship with Nicks, the way it ended, her position as crowd favourite at concerts. In March 1980, playing to 60,000 in Auckland, New Zealand while loaded with whisky (according to Fleetwood), he pulled his jacket over his head in grotesque imitation of Nicks’s drapes and started to ape her twirling moves. Then he ran across the stage and kicked her. Nicks carried on like a trouper.



That's just the funniest thing ever.

The Strokes eh? Okay, I like them now :D

jmn3
11-17-2003, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Gazza
That's just the funniest thing ever.

I'd love to see a video of Christine throwing the wine at Lindsey and slapping him. I'm not sure which part of this episode makes me laugh harder, Chris throwing the one-two wine-slap, or Lindsey kicking Stevie out of jealousy? :D Okay, at the time I'm sure neither were all too amusing, but 23 years later, it's funnier than hell. It's amazing that these people even still look at each other.

shackin'up
11-17-2003, 08:16 AM
That was truly a tread-read!!! I printed it out and put my students to work so I could read it during work... great how stevie talks about lindsey... looks like the "healing" kinda stuff really takes place now.....

Made my day!
back to work!

gerald:wavey:

dissention
11-17-2003, 09:20 AM
Thanks, Les!

I was truly touched towards the end of the article where Stevie and Lindsey are reflecting on everything and state how they feel towards each other these days. When she said "he'll always have me" and "she's only a call away," I was floored. Heavy ****. :laugh:

seteca
11-17-2003, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Les
Rumours
....
Eternal mass empathy ensues.

I would say that is the definition of Fleetwood Mac in one line!:nod:

Thanks so much for taking the time to post that huge & fantastic article!:)

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

gldstwmn
11-17-2003, 12:13 PM
:eek:
I am so blown away by this article. I don't even know what to say.
After all this time we find out it was Chris who had the window taken out to put the piano in and we always thought it was Stevie.:laugh:

dissention
11-17-2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by gldstwmn
:eek:
I am so blown away by this article. I don't even know what to say.
After all this time we find out it was Chris who had the window taken out to put the piano in and we always thought it was Stevie.:laugh:

I know!!!

And the bit about Liddy B chopping off all of his hair in the shower with a nail thingy?! Color me speechless. I'm actually beginning to wonder if he was mentally ill from '78 to '84.

gldstwmn
11-17-2003, 01:18 PM
I don't think any of them were very sane during that period. For instance, what did Chris ever see in Dennis Wilson.:confused:

Cammie
11-17-2003, 02:02 PM
:wavey: Fleetwood Mac have the Musical Mojo for sure!!!

We were very surprised by Lindsey's very candid
Epilepsey admission! His girlfriend... bending over
him crying...not knowing he was having a seizure!
Poor Carol Ann...no wonder he speaks well of her!

Lindsey then takes a Dilantin a day and soldiers on!
The death of his supportive Father drove him Insane!
Lindsey admits he drank too much booze!They all did,
some just kept their mean ways... so well hid!:eek:Sky:(

sulamith
11-17-2003, 02:18 PM
They got Lindsey's father's death all wrong. He died on Valentine's Day 1974, in the BN era.

Stevie's and Lindsey's admissions at the end are, well.... just..... unmentionable.

-Sharon

Somajoseph
11-17-2003, 04:51 PM
Thank you Les for posting the MOJO article!

I was a little blown away with Lindsey and Stevie's very candid comments about their feelings. On one hand, being a fan all these years and having this emotional connection to their music, I love reading that stuff.
However I cant help but wonder how Lindsey's wife feels about all this. I mean, she is his wife, the mother of his children, and part of me thinks that both of them should be a little more discreet about what they say about their relationship out of respect to her. I cant imagine she would feel very good reading those things for all the world to hear.
Just my thoughts on this.

Joseph

Tango
11-17-2003, 05:33 PM
Mojo really got an amazing interview out of the band. It's amazingly touching to hear Stevie focus on the important part of her relationship with Lindsey, the friendship part. That whole paragraph:


She leans forward. “But when we go on-stage together we are able to experience our love affair again - and again and again! For two and a half hours, four times a week...There isn’t really anybody in my life - it wouldn’t be good for me now anyway, I’m always away. But when hard times come over the next 20 or 30 years, when people we love die, he’ll be the first person I’ll call. Knowing that now, I think he has been able to let go of all the nasty things that happened and realise that, like I said to him, Lindsey, you’ll always have me. I’m always a phone call away. So you get it all.”

Lindsey's had his emotions pretty up front when talking about how much it has meant to him to be able to be friends with Stevie again, when it seemed all was lost. (the drugs/the excesses, etc). I think if he gets to read what she said, it'll knock 'im out. It's sweet.

ERigby818
11-17-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by sulamith
They got Lindsey's father's death all wrong. He died on Valentine's Day 1974, in the BN era.

I noticed that...It also says Mick confessed about his affair with Stevie to Lindsey two years after the fact. I'm confused ...:confused: That doesn't seem right. It also says OSOTM was released in 1990. Wasn't that Timespace? :confused:

But, I mean...WHOA. Reading that article was an intense experience. The way it's written is extraordinary. Thanks for posting it, Les.

OK...Lindsey and his wife are expecting another child? This is big news. Have I been living under a rock? How did I miss this?!

Hearing about all that cash they spent made me cringe. Stevie's room having to be painted pink? *gasp* Mick seemed like such a greedy bastard....I think he's the only one who's still got that money-grubbing streak in him (hence his hiring of a certain extortionist)...the rest have grown up and gotten over it.

I think what Linsdey and Stevie are describing as far as their feelings about each other is a very intense friendship. It certainly is very candid, but it's sweet.

-Sonia

darklinensuit
11-17-2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by ERigby818
I noticed that...It also says Mick confessed about his affair with Stevie to Lindsey two years after the fact. I'm confused ...:confused: That doesn't seem right. It also says OSOTM was released in 1990. Wasn't that Timespace? :confused:


OSOTM - 1989
BTM - 1990
TimeSpace - 1991

And according to Mick's book, Lindsey was onto the affair from early on...and we all know how reliable the book is.

- Jake

ERigby818
11-17-2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by darklinensuit
OSOTM - 1989
BTM - 1990
TimeSpace - 1991

- Jake

Oops. You're right. I just went back and read it.:o Im so stupid :rolleyes:

Merf
11-17-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by ERigby818

I think what Linsdey and Stevie are describing as far as their feelings about each other is a very intense friendship. It certainly is very candid, but it's sweet.

-Sonia

I think we're probably all taking these quotes different ways. From Stevie's quotes, she seems to speak of him as being someone she loves very much but can never be with... and the closeness that has evolved from their current situation. She seems very fatalistic about the relationship. "We can never be together" "Oh, Stevie, you made a mistake!" She speaks like a woman with regret.

Go back and read Lindsey's quote again if you have time. I think what he says is the really interesting part. He seems to be talking about a future in terms of a future with Stevie. Not just a future with the band. He speaks of trying to get in touch with his love for her and talks of them "stiill trying to figure things out" and the decisions and changes that will effect their future that "Stevie and I are trying to handle...with care." What does that mean? Classic Liddy, being vague. And he doesn't mention his family in this future at all. Perhaps he is speaking about just the band, but in the context of the rest of the statement, I believe he is speaking solely about Stevie.

Once again, that's just my interpretation. Lindsey's statements definitely lend themselves towards much speculation. All I know is that if I were Lindsey's wife, I would be extremely upset with him right now.

:eek:

sodascouts
11-17-2003, 06:52 PM
What a fascinating, intense, revealing, fresh, enthralling article! The best I've read in a LONG time.

Those quotes by Lindsey and Stevie about each other, WOAH. And Lindsey being more candid about his epilepsy than I've ever heard before, as well as finally admitting to the kick (as best he can, lol). He is usually much more evasive on that number, lol. That nail clippers thing is WILD.

Yes, Stevie, you did make a big mistake! But it is awesome that she is still there for him!

Les
11-17-2003, 06:56 PM
I see two people coming to terms with a longstanding and often difficult relationship. Nothing to get angry about as far as I'm concerned. I imagine Lindsey probably did speak of his family as he has often during this tour but they found Stevie's comments on his family more dramatic and poignant simply because they come from her and express her happiness for him. The British magazine writers do heavily favor the drama of it all. ;)

Confirmed my suspicions about Ken Caillat's feelings for Tusk. There were inklings of that in his Penguin Q&A, I thought.

You're welcome for the article, guys. I was noticing some of those factual errors too as I typed it up. I was a bit concerned when I saw they credited Leah Furman's book as a source. ;) I should also say thanks to Neil for providing the original scan that I typed the article from. Thanks Neil!

wondergirl9847
11-17-2003, 07:10 PM
"Here I am DRAMATIC..."

She LIVES for romance and the fact that she can't have Lindsey, IMO. It gives her life and inspiration. She's like him in that she loves misery, I think. They are BOTH "tortured" artists, in different ways. :nod:

Gotta love 'em!!

Johnny Stew
11-17-2003, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Merf
Go back and read Lindsey's quote again if you have time. I think what he says is the really interesting part. He seems to be talking about a future in terms of a future with Stevie. Not just a future with the band. He speaks of trying to get in touch with his love for her and talks of them "stiill trying to figure things out" and the decisions and changes that will effect their future that "Stevie and I are trying to handle...with care." What does that mean? Classic Liddy, being vague. And he doesn't mention his family in this future at all.I didn't take it to mean that Lindsey was referring to a romantic future with Stevie... I think they're both just pondering where they will go from here.
Will they continue to talk and cultivate a friendship, or will they revert back to some of their old ways, allowing working with Fleetwood Mac to be the only environment in which they communicate?

With their tumultuous history, it could easily go either way, and I imagine that's why they're trying to be cautious this time around.

strandinthewind
11-17-2003, 08:35 PM
at least he didn't call it "organic" :laugh: Honestly, apparently those two will just always be this way and that is just the way it is. :cool:

Merf
11-17-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by strandinthewind
at least he didn't call it "organic" :laugh: Honestly, apparently those two will just always be this way and that is just the way it is. :cool:

The drama is ongoing, that's for sure! :laugh:

And snaps to Lindsey for not using the word "organic," "compartmentalize" or "cycle" while expressing his feelings on the situation. :D

GardenStateGirlie
11-17-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Merf
The drama is ongoing, that's for sure! :laugh:

And snaps to Lindsey for not using the word "organic," "compartmentalize" or "cycle" while expressing his feelings on the situation. :D

"All of the drama...smellin' nag champra...."

Let me whip out my SNAPS cup...SNAPS for Lindsey! (I know you've seen that movie) :laugh:

As for the rest...mind as well pull out the old cottonball and have a seat. You know, biding our time until EFO.

Love to the girls :)

stefan
11-18-2003, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by Merf
And he doesn't mention his family in this future at all. Perhaps he is speaking about just the band, but in the context of the rest of the statement, I believe he is speaking solely about Stevie.

Once again, that's just my interpretation. Lindsey's statements definitely lend themselves towards much speculation. All I know is that if I were Lindsey's wife, I would be extremely upset with him right now.

:eek:

:rolleyes:

sulamith
11-18-2003, 11:01 AM
cottonballs all around, ladies..........

nice fluffy ones, too!

-Sharon

CarneVaca
11-18-2003, 11:37 AM
Here's how rumours (pun intended) get started: The article mentions nail SCISSORS, and I've already seen in at least a half-dozen postings (one here) people referring to Lindsey cutting his hair with nail clippers. No such thing happened, at least not according to the article. Scissors, even the small dainty ones used for nails would be a lot more efficient than clippers. Frankly, using clippers to cut a whole head of hair probably would be impossible.

A trivial point? Yes and no. Saying clippers makes Lindsey look like a total lunatic who should be in a straight jacket. Scissors changes the story considerably.

That apparently trivial point leads me to my next point: The reader in some cases paints this picture of what she/he wants to believe that no matter what the text actually says, he/she is going to stick with the interpretation that suits his/her belief.

From reading that article, and it is one of the best ones I've seen recently, I deduce the following: Two good friends who still love each other deeply have come to terms with their feelings. They realize that going back to the intensity of their former relationship is impossible but they have learned to treasure, rather than regret and feel bitterness about the relationship. Time and age put things in perspective. I know how getting to know a former lover as a friend after some time apart can bring up the sweetness of the former relationship, allowing for a special friendship that does not cross the boundaries of friendship. That Stevie says they relive their love affair on stage is perfectly understandable to me. Writing about a former love or even talking about it may revive that relationship in an almost tangible way, but it doesn't necessarily mean you would want to go back to it. I think that's what happens to them on stage.

Lastly, Stevie's comment about missing out is tongue in cheek. Perhaps there is a kernel of truth there, but she says that more for the drama than anything.

Merf
11-18-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by stefan
:rolleyes:

Wow, that was really thoughtful reply to my post, Stefan! Thanks for that.

strandinthewind
11-18-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
Here's how rumours (pun intended) get started: The article mentions nail SCISSORS, and I've already seen in at least a half-dozen postings (one here) people referring to Lindsey cutting his hair with nail clippers. No such thing happened, at least not according to the article. Scissors, even the small dainty ones used for nails would be a lot more efficient than clippers. Frankly, using clippers to cut a whole head of hair probably would be impossible.

A trivial point? Yes and no. Saying clippers makes Lindsey look like a total lunatic who should be in a straight jacket. Scissors changes the story considerably.

That apparently trivial point leads me to my next point: The reader in some cases paints this picture of what she/he wants to believe that no matter what the text actually says, he/she is going to stick with the interpretation that suits his/her belief.

From reading that article, and it is one of the best ones I've seen recently, I deduce the following: Two good friends who still love each other deeply have come to terms with their feelings. They realize that going back to the intensity of their former relationship is impossible but they have learned to treasure, rather than regret and feel bitterness about the relationship. Time and age put things in perspective. I know how getting to know a former lover as a friend after some time apart can bring up the sweetness of the former relationship, allowing for a special friendship that does not cross the boundaries of friendship. That Stevie says they relive their love affair on stage is perfectly understandable to me. Writing about a former love or even talking about it may revive that relationship in an almost tangible way, but it doesn't necessarily mean you would want to go back to it. I think that's what happens to them on stage.

Lastly, Stevie's comment about missing out is tongue in cheek. Perhaps there is a kernel of truth there, but she says that more for the drama than anything.

Well put Carne.

I, too, think SN and LB are very, very good friends now. The thing that throws me off sometimes is the intensity I saw five times onstage when I saw them last Summer and early Fall. It just is hard to believe something that intense just ends when the lights come up. But, they both say it does, and certainly no overt public act (i.e. "smoking gun" ) exists to demonstrate they are not just good friends off stage. In fact, that Kristin in pregnant clearly demonstrates LB clearly is attracted to and likes K because they must be "doin' somethin' " to get pregnant :laugh: Seriously, who knows for sure what is going on behind the scene, but I do think it is great that SN and LB still have an intense attraction on some level(s) that keeps the music alive and creates new and IMO great music.

P.S. No matter how ridiculous, I love the image of LB madly clipping with nail clippers and refuse to see it any other way !!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:cool:

CarneVaca
11-18-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by strandinthewind

P.S. No matter how ridiculous, I love the image of LB madly clipping with nail clippers and refuse to see it any other way !!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:cool:

LOL, dude. That is funny.

shackin'up
11-18-2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
(........)

That apparently trivial point leads me to my next point: The reader in some cases paints this picture of what she/he wants to believe that no matter what the text actually says, he/she is going to stick with the interpretation that suits his/her belief.

(.......)

Very True.

I take the scissors/clippers discussion to the perception of the other parts of this wonderful, wonderful article:

I must say, and help me with this, is it 100% me that reads a touching tenderness in her words about him? I have never read such sweet words about him coming from her mouth. I was really moved. Or am I just projecting something I wanna read?


PS: he's anal enough to have done it with clippers.
:nod: :nod: :nod:

strandinthewind
11-18-2003, 01:45 PM
Good point Gerald.

I think on this tour, esp. on the second part of the first leg and now, SN has really praised LB. In an interview on a local radio station here in Atlanta, Stevie just gushed about how she is in awe of LB's talent every night and that she could never play the guitar, esp. like that, and sing and she watches him in awe every night do it, etc. Then, this article and the other one in You magazine. This is a far cry from the initial comments in the press a the release of the disc when LB said SN had not thanked him for producing her stuff and SN said she was not happy with perhaps the order of songs on the record.

So, I am glad all is well - at least for the moment!!!! :laugh:

shackin'up
11-18-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by strandinthewind

- at least for the moment!!!! :laugh:

LOL! Let's cherish the moment!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

HomerMcvie
11-18-2003, 01:51 PM
Lindsey's statements definitely lend themselves towards much speculation. All I know is that if I were Lindsey's wife, I would be extremely upset with him right now.
Oh puhlease. You are going to see a "show". The band realizes that there are still alot of Stevieheads out there, who relish every fake romantic moment acted in this antique soap opera. It's a show, folks! :laugh: I'm sure they probably are friendly now. They're business partners, milking the most successful era of the band.(not that there's anything wrong with that).

wondergirl9847
11-18-2003, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by HomerMcvie
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

Yada, yada, yada.

LOL Gotta love Seinfeld.

I agree with that whole post...they know that the mass majority want that "romance" on stage. I remember in the All Access (I think it was) VH1 special, Stevie goes "It's not easy doing new songs, and people wanna hear the old stuff." I took that to mean, we CAN'T drop the old stuff, or people won't come see us. Also, they think if they don't continue with the "soap", then people won't be interested.

What was it chilid said...Rumours may have been the worst thing to happen to them. I kinda agree because Lindsey feels the soap overpowers the music, and it does seem that way. :( I don't give a rat's you-know-what about the soap....GIMME THE MUSIC!!!!!!

strandinthewind
11-18-2003, 02:26 PM
I agree that the music is the key thing. However, who on this board did not get even just a little weepy/emotional/excited/whatever when Stevie and LB were locked on each others' eyes during the live performances of Say Goodbye (a "new" song) - it was reported that LB even seemed to manage to cry during some of these performances. Who didn't just get a little emotional, etc., when LB and SN clearly connected during and after Landslide. I think people see this level of emotion even though it essentially is the same "performance" for want of a better word every night - I think the emotion between them is genuine even though it may be premeditated in that they know they have to do the Landslide hug, the Tusk Dance, etc. So, I think the music would not be the same without the emotional outlay and all that comes with that. I also think SN and LB cannot "turn it off," although they can and have turned it to anger (which is next door to affection IMHO).

My $0.02 :wavey:

HomerMcvie
11-18-2003, 02:30 PM
Yada, yada, yada.
Seinfeld. The greatest show of all time!
I don't give a rat's you-know-what about the soap....GIMME THE MUSIC!!!!!!
Amen. Actually, acting out a 25 yr defunct romance, seems kinda pathetic,, no?

GardenStateGirlie
11-18-2003, 02:48 PM
Since I think we can speak about this like adults for once without flaming or throwing out insults, I'm going to go there....

I don't know but evidently I was the only person who read, "he is my love, my first love, and my love for all time."

Now, since nothing happened in 1997 between them, I guess then Trouble In Shangri La wasn't about her coming to terms with the fact that they can never be together and that she had her heart broken again and I guess that would also mean that she's lying when she says that some songs on Say You Will are about him...no??

She must have had to stretch back MANY years to find inspiration for songs on the new album then

::restrains self from using ROLLEYES icon::

You don't even need to read between her lines. She's coming out and saying it and has been throughout this tour. It *IS* difficult for her to see him with his family even though she's happy he has children. It probably *IS* difficult for them to see where they stand now....remember, he fell for her again and she watched it happen. To say otherwise would be to devalue both of their feelings.

It *IS*easy to seperate fact from fiction. Whether you want to consider the facts is another story.

And I care just as much about the music as the rest of you.

Just my .02

wondergirl9847
11-18-2003, 02:48 PM
Jason, I get what you are saying and YES they have chemistry and a love that will never die, for each other. They have a special bond and I "get" that, I'm just the kind of person that doesn't get gooey when they do the Landslide thing and Say Goodbye stuff. If I DO get gooey, it's from the song, not them. LOL I'm not saying they are faking everything up there, they are just acting a bit here and there for the crowd.

That's all I'm sayin'. :D

Merf
11-18-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by HomerMcvie
It's a show, folks! :laugh: I'm sure they probably are friendly now. They're business partners, milking the most successful era of the band.(not that there's anything wrong with that).

:rolleyes: This argument is getting really old. It is amazing that people are perfectly lovely to me here on the Ledge and this is the ONE ISSUE that people STILL get riled up about. Why do people STILL get riled up about this when "there's nothing between them" and "they're just good friends now"??? Just some food for thought.

Homer, in reply to your direct post against my previous post:

Of course it's a "show," it's a concert. But if you're referring to the "SHOW" as in Lindsey and Stevie on stage, that is not an act, that comes from a real place. Stevie has said it herself. ["for those 2 1/2 hours on stage, we are in love again."] And of course they're "probably friendly" now. But I digress. Calling them simply "business partners" after all these years and all the bull**** that has happened between them, that just cheapens everything so much. Because as much as I'm sure you'd like to do so, the band's HISTORY and the band's MUSIC cannot be separated. They are entwined. Lindsey and Stevie's relationship played a huge part in the band's history as well as the band's music. So are they just "business partners?" In my opinion, no. But now, they both seem to be happy and in very good places in their lives, on and off stage. And that should be celebrated. Not condemned.

And I AS WELL, care about the music AS MUCH as the rest of you.

As always, my $.02. We all have them.

wondergirl9847
11-18-2003, 02:55 PM
Seinfeld. The greatest show of all time!

We have another Seinfeld-head in the building. LOL!! :thumbsup:

nodmod
11-18-2003, 03:10 PM
The article and pictures is finally posted at
- http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/FMarticle1103.html

Thanks for Les for her help, sorry it took so long to post, enjoy the pictures
:wavey:

Johnny Stew
11-18-2003, 03:14 PM
Music devoid of emotion is worthless.
Which is why so many people continue to value the relationship of Buckingham & Nicks almost as much as they value the music itself. The relationship lends itself to the music, and vice versa. It's a symbiotic thing, both feeding the other.

For me, their relationship is fascinating on certain levels because it's so mercurial... but I don't have any kind of emotional investment in whether or not they end up together.

As a fan, I'd like to see them both happy, but I don't think that happiness can only be found with each other.
Some romantic relationships just don't work, for a variety of reasons. And no matter how intertwined two people's lives might be, that's no assurance that they'll grow old together, sitting on the front porch in their rocking chairs.

I think almost all of us have at least one or two people about whom we'll always wonder "what if," even though some things just aren't meant to be.
But it's the romanticism of that wondering, which keeps a little torch forever burning.
And wherever their paths might take them, it's that same little torch which pretty much insures that Lindsey and Stevie will continue to mine their relationship for more great music in the years to come. :)

iamstevienicks
11-18-2003, 03:36 PM
Loved the article, well worth the £3.80 for the magazine

Hey you americans coming over can all buy a copy (aswell as a copy of Peacekeeper!!! :-D) or make that several copies

Les
11-18-2003, 03:44 PM
Thanks for the pictures, Neil! That close-up of Lindsey is really sort of too close up! ;)

wondergirl9847
11-18-2003, 03:59 PM
I was thinking the SAME thing...like WOAH, back up with the camera there, buddy. We don't need to see nose hair and inside his pores. :laugh:

Thanks for the article and pics Neil!! :thumbsup:

strandinthewind
11-18-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Jason, I get what you are saying and YES they have chemistry and a love that will never die, for each other. They have a special bond and I "get" that, I'm just the kind of person that doesn't get gooey when they do the Landslide thing and Say Goodbye stuff. If I DO get gooey, it's from the song, not them. LOL I'm not saying they are faking everything up there, they are just acting a bit here and there for the crowd.

That's all I'm sayin'. :D

Not even a little gooey during the SYW lasso dance? :laugh:

I agree the same routine every night is rote. But, I will never believe the emotion underlying it is. But, hey, what do I know!!!! :wavey: :wavey:

wondergirl9847
11-18-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by strandinthewind
Not even a little gooey during the SYW lasso dance? :laugh:


I tried to hide my tears during that one, but apparently, you caught me. Dang you man!! :laugh:

strandinthewind
11-18-2003, 04:10 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I was watching you from across the arena in Dallas for just that reaction!!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :cool:

Rumours
11-18-2003, 06:28 PM
This certainly IS quite an intense article to read.

I enjoy such insight into their real thoughts and feelings....

But can I ask......why did they use an Eagles song title to head an article about Fleetwood Mac???? :lol: Take It To The Limit!!! :eek:


Stephanie :wavey:

HomerMcvie
11-18-2003, 09:03 PM
Music devoid of emotion is worthless. Which is why so many people continue to value the relationship of Buckingham & Nicks almost as much as they value the music itself. The relationship lends itself to the music, and vice versa. It's a symbiotic thing, both feeding the other.
Hmmm, perhaps why Chris has always been my favorite. I believe she rounded the whole thing out. She was the heart. Lindsey's quirky songs. Stevie's .....(any descriptive term I use will be challenged) songs. Songs like Hold Me, Think about Me, YMLF, Why, and Little Lies are, IMO, the absolute BEST FM songs(again, IMO)
God I miss that woman...

sodascouts
11-18-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by CarneVaca
Here's how rumours (pun intended) get started: The article mentions nail SCISSORS, and I've already seen in at least a half-dozen postings (one here) people referring to Lindsey cutting his hair with nail clippers.

Oops! That was me. I actually realized it was nail scissors - I don't know why I put nail clippers. I certainly wasn't trying to distort anything, or portray Lindsey as a lunatic! Just a mistake.

Heck, I've cut my own bangs with nail scissors when they've gotten too long. (Believe it or not, I actually wrote "nail clippers" again here and had to go back and change it! I'm hopeless)

Oh, and I totally think Stevie was serious. Who wouldn't regret leaving Lindsey Buckingham?! lol

littlelies7
11-18-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by HomerMcvie
Hmmm, perhaps why Chris has always been my favorite. I believe she rounded the whole thing out. She was the heart. Lindsey's quirky songs. Stevie's .....(any descriptive term I use will be challenged) songs. Songs like Hold Me, Think about Me, YMLF, Why, and Little Lies are, IMO, the absolute BEST FM songs(again, IMO)
God I miss that woman...

Like you said, even though Lindsey and Stevie are fantastic, it just isn't the same.

I'll miss her, but here's to her new album coming to record stores soon! :D

BTW Les, thanx a ton for the article!

It's great! :nod:

sodascouts
11-18-2003, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by wondergirl9847


What was it chilid said...Rumours may have been the worst thing to happen to them. I kinda agree because Lindsey feels the soap overpowers the music, and it does seem that way. :(

I agree - Lindsey does feel the same way. So why do some people think he'd be determined to encourage that by "faking" it? That implies a shockingly low opinion of his artistic integrity.

Yeah, it's not "spontaneous," but it's genuine. Sure, I can't be 100% sure, but I for one am going to give Lindsey the benefit of the doubt and assume he IS being sincere until I'm proven wrong. I think he deserves to be considered "innocent until proven guilty." Why be so quick (for some, arguably eager) to assume the worst?

CarneVaca
11-18-2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by sodascouts
Oops! That was me. I actually realized it was nail scissors - I don't know why I put nail clippers. I certainly wasn't trying to distort anything, or portray Lindsey as a lunatic! Just a mistake.

Nancy, not trying to knock you. Didn't even realize it was your post. Just making a point.

Sugar
11-18-2003, 11:24 PM
So what exactly is the argument? Stevie and Lindsey obviously care very deeply for each other, even now (or now again). I have no doubt that they love each other. They have a common unique history that no one else can ever touch. Is that love physical at this point? I don't think so. I think they are probably beyond that at this point.

As far as the stage show, sure it's a show, they do the same damn thing every night, how is it not a show? But the best acting is a result of tapping into real feelings, and I think what they are doing is more akin to that than either "faking it for the fans" or "an inability to hide their passon for each other". Being on stage intensifies feelings, but doing anything on stage is also inherently fake. The lights fade and so does the intensity. That doesn't make it fake or lying, it's just the nature of the stage. You take off your costume and your makeup and you go home. And this is pretty much what Stevie is saying, and maybe we should just take her at her word.

Great article, though! One of the best I've seen!

Vianna
11-21-2003, 02:18 PM
I loved this article. The end practically makes me cry where she says she will call Lindsey when people they know die...