Thrown Down On The Radio..... [Archive]

GardenStateGirlie

11-07-2003, 10:20 PM

Philadelphia's 102.9 WMGK has added both Steal Your Heart Away and Thrown Down to its playlist so call and request. I haven't heard Steal Your Heart Away yet but a friend of mine did. Thrown Down is the one, the only, WALL OF SOUND version. This excites me greatly but i'm sure will dissapoint others. At any rate, it looks like it'll be getting some play around the Delaware Valley (that sounded so dirty...lol) ;) :D

The Chain

11-07-2003, 10:34 PM

I completley love the wall of sound. It should've on the album:nod: Stevie's vocie/harmony is just so much better. Wouldn't it be great if they played Wall Of Sound on the AMA's;)

sodascouts

11-07-2003, 10:43 PM

The Wall of Sound version? Oh, man! :distress: It's good, but not nearly as good as the album version!

wondergirl9847

11-07-2003, 11:00 PM

I love the WOS version of TD!! I hope they play both songs in the Dallas/Fort Worth area!! :nod:

DownOnRodeo

11-07-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by sodascouts
It's good, but not nearly as good as the album version!
I'm with Nancy on this one - 'Wall of Sound' was not meant as a compliment I'm afraid. It is still a great song but quite over the top, if you know what I mean.

And no 'faith' verse. :( <---- That's why if they do TD at the AMAs I hope they do the album version.

I guess radio stations have been given these two versions and play which they choose. :confused: Don't people think it's bizarre and unheralded to have two rather different versions of the same new song being played depending on which DJ you listen to? Make that - very different versions. But that sort of quirky scenario could only help foster interest, with people who are interested in one of the songs being intrigued about the other version, and eventually looking into it. Releasing two different versions (ie as opposed to a remix of the same version) could be a whole new radio strategy that FM has stumbled on to. I wouldn't put it past em. :)

darklinensuit

11-07-2003, 11:40 PM

Christy, the radio stations are one of the few things that I miss about Philly.

And BTW, I'm still not enthralled by the WOS version. JMO once more.:wavey:

- Jake

Ali

11-07-2003, 11:47 PM

God bless WMGK - and the fact I'll be home tomorrow to listen to it! WOOT!

I just *know* Debbi Calton is behind this...she's too cool not to be :o)

Merf

11-07-2003, 11:47 PM

Not a WOS fan. The album version is the one that is played on RadioRecords.com in that ad (The one where we found out about New Year's rockin eve). So maybe they were sent both. Regardless, I'm calling my radio stations and emailing them and asking them to play whichever versions they have! :)

Johnny Stew

11-07-2003, 11:48 PM

I do like the "work-in-progress/Wall Of Sound" version quite a bit, but I favor the album version.

The song just isn't complete without the "shaking your faith" 2nd verse.

GardenStateGirlie

11-08-2003, 12:09 AM

I adore both versions of the song and yes, what I don't like about the WOS version is the exclusion of the second verse because to me, it's incredibly powerful. I think it's a matter of the WOS version being more radio friendly...the emphasis on the guitar...the added backing vocals...it gets me everytime I listen.

I called 96.5 The Point tonight and Mix 95.7...neither one of them have copies yet but said they wanted to add it to their playlists so who knows what will happen there. If you live in this area, these will probably be the stations that will play the songs along with most likely 93.7 and 99.5 in Delaware (you get them if you live in South Jersey) so get calling and requesting :nod:

Debbi Calton--bless her heart. The woman ROCKS. I called her one day while driving to PA to work and requested some Fleetwood Mac and we talked for like, 5 minutes. If I have a question, she always answers her e-mails. She's just a very cool lady. Well, I guess when I called her, she/someone liked my voice because they snipped me saying Fleetwood Mac and i'm in some commerical with people saying random band names...lmao...:laugh:

Jason T.

11-08-2003, 02:27 AM

This is great. The "Wall Of Sound" version is ten times better than the album one, IMO. I always thought that it sounded single-ish...

louielouie2000

11-08-2003, 10:47 AM

I think the album version is more progressive sounding, but the WOS version is more "classic Mac" sounding. I've preferred the WOS version since day one... I just can't stand the shaking the faith verse. It sounds like something *I'D* write... and that's not a compliment :laugh: .

dissention

11-08-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
I'm with Nancy on this one - 'Wall of Sound' was not meant as a compliment I'm afraid. It is still a great song but quite over the top, if you know what I mean.

And no 'faith' verse. :( <---- That's why if they do TD at the AMAs I hope they do the album version.

My local radio station has been playing the WOS version. :D

It wouldn't really make sense for them to play the album version at the AMAs. If the WOS version is the single that was released to radio (the album version was taken right off the album by the stations, it wasn't released as a single), it would only make sense for them to play it. The WOS version will reach a broader audience (i.e. younger music fans), whereas the album version will mostly appeal to an older audience.

I prefer the WOS version because Stevie gives a MUCH better performance (day by daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy), Lindsey's backing vocals are his best ever, the beat rocks, and I love the intro. It may be a bit more generic, but I could care less. The album version sucks teabags. Stevie's vocals at the start of the song are just as annoying as her vocals on WISYA and the only thing that stands out is the chorus. The vocals are rather monotone and the ending is anti-climactic. It's as if they didn't know what to do to finish the song. And some of the musical nuances aggravate me intensely. :laugh:

We have to look at it from a business point of view. Then it's easy to see why the WOS version was released! :D

Carolina Girl

11-08-2003, 12:03 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but what is Wall of Sound?

HomerMcvie

11-08-2003, 12:12 PM

I believe it was originally used to describe producer Phil Spector's sound in the 60s.
Every sonic space filled with something. Apparently, the Wall of Sound can eventually lead to murder... :eek:

gldstwmn

11-08-2003, 12:14 PM

Here's what I don't get. Why are they marketing a version that's not even available? :confused:
Carolina Girl, Wall Of Sound refers to a version of Thrown Down that leaked about a year ago. It's is a much more produced version with more drums and vocals that produce a "wall of sound."

jwd

11-08-2003, 12:41 PM

HomerMcVie:

Apparently, the Wall of Sound can eventually lead to murder...

:laugh:

stefan

11-08-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by dissention

It wouldn't really make sense for them to play the album version at the AMAs. If the WOS version is the single that was released to radio (the album version was taken right off the album by the stations, it wasn't released as a single), it would only make sense for them to play it. The WOS version will reach a broader audience (i.e. younger music fans), whereas the album version will mostly appeal to an older audience.

Einspruch Euer Ehren :laugh: If I would listen to a single on the radio and then decide to buy the album because I like it and then the song is completely different and not available I would be upset. I don`t understand what they are doing there. All this different version crap with tin tin ton ton tut tut remix and so on... They can do that as B C and D side if they want to. But the main thing- the A side has to be the album version imo. If Big love hadn`t been on TITN the way it was as a single I probably wouldn`t have begun to buy FM records.
And concerning the audience- I am sure it is exactly the other way round. The so called WOS version ( I don`t see a wall of sound at all- it sounds absolutely normal but that`s a different thing) will appeal to an older audience. It's more conservative and normal sounding (like many other songs) whereas the album version is compared to that more experimental with a certain hard to describe different style.
Finally- I like Thrown down (album) O.K. but always thought that something was missing. It still could be improved and a little more powerful, probably with LB`s voice more prominent (like in the WOS version) or something else. But I definitely prefer it over the WOS thing.

stefan

11-08-2003, 12:48 PM

Ah and the backup ladies belong to a Stevie solo album but not on a FM record imo.

Merf

11-08-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by HomerMcvie
I believe it was originally used to describe producer Phil Spector's sound in the 60s.
Every sonic space filled with something. Apparently, the Wall of Sound can eventually lead to murder... :eek:

oh, touche', Homer! :eek:

Welcome to the Ledge. :D

Stefan-- I agree that my main problem with the WOS sound version is that Mindy & Sharon's vocals are WAY too prominent. And compared to the album version, it's way too slow. I like the "peppier" album version, *and* especially the "shaking the faith" verse-- I think it's the core of what Stevie is trying to say with the entire poem. "A decision no one made... and now you're going home." She's telling us a story and if that middle part is missing, it messes with the whole thing-- IMO.

:cool:

dissention

11-08-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by stefan
And concerning the audience- I am sure it is exactly the other way round. The so called WOS version ( I don`t see a wall of sound at all- it sounds absolutely normal but that`s a different thing) will appeal to an older audience. It's more conservative and normal sounding (like many other songs) whereas the album version is compared to that more experimental with a certain hard to describe different style.
Finally- I like Thrown down (album) O.K. but always thought that something was missing. It still could be improved and a little more powerful, probably with LB`s voice more prominent (like in the WOS version) or something else. But I definitely prefer it over the WOS thing.

See, I don't understand how the album version will appeal to a younger audience. it sounds like adult contemporary crap that you would hear in an elevator or while you're waiting for your order at Sal's Pizza. I don't find it experimental, I find it safe, sparse, and bland. JMO, though! :D

PS: I hate the girls backup, too! :wavey:

face of glass

11-08-2003, 01:39 PM

I agree with Stefan on this. "The Wall Of Sound" is the more commonly acceptable one. There's not that many of Lindsey's quirks on it. When I did hear it at the end of last year, it had me somewhat worried; it sounded way too MOR. Annoying back-up singers and a most typical guitar solo. The only Lindsey solo in the FM catalogue that I could call generic, along with the one in "Isn't It Midnight" (curiously enough, ChiliD has stated that the latter has his favourite Lindsey guitar performance :laugh: ).

It is the album version I prefer. The guitars on that one still surprise me after each listen. The whole thing is uplifting, and it can also make one shed some tears.

I guess the "WOS" version would be easier to perform live though. I don't mind if I get an officially released version of that one too. The wider public most likely won't be waking up this time around either, no matter which version they decide to put out. :distress:

face of glass

11-08-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by dissention
See, I don't understand how the album version will appeal to a younger audience. it sounds like adult contemporary crap that you would hear in an elevator or while you're waiting for your order at Sal's Pizza. I don't find it experimental, I find it safe, sparse, and bland. JMO, though! :D

And for me it's the other way around. A little tip for you, try not to nitpick over every detail; surely there must be good things in the album version too. It's not like it was created in two hours. ;)

Merf

11-08-2003, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by face of glass
And for me it's the other way around. A little tip for you, try not to nitpick over every detail; surely there must be good things in the album version too. It's not like it was created in two hours. ;)

Faceofglass-- A friendly tip for you, honey, Dissention will *never* warm up to Thrown Down... definitely in the minority here, but that's why we <3333 Dissention. :laugh:

:D

face of glass

11-08-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Merf
Faceofglass-- A friendly tip for you, honey, Dissention will *never* warm up to Thrown Down... definitely in the minority here, but that's why we <3333 Dissention. :laugh:

Obviously a lot of people occasionally get enjoyment of not fitting in. They're so "sophisticated" you know. ;)

Anyway, <3 to you Dissention, at least you got the gall. :)

gldstwmn

11-08-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by face of glass
Obviously a lot of people occasionally get enjoyment of not fitting in. They're so "sophisticated" you know. ;)

Anyway, <3 to you Dissention, at least you got the gall. :)

Yeah and this from "Finland, the country where polar bears walk on the streets singing "Silver Girl." That's mainstream. <3 to you.
;)

SpyNote

11-08-2003, 02:54 PM

We're the only ones who can get these songs played, so be sure to find your local radio station and request Thrown Down and Steal Your Heart Away!

Request Thrown Down! (http://sln-news.info/ac.shtml)
Request Steal Your Heart Away! (http://sln-news.info/aaa.shtml)

(note: not all local stations are listed. if you know your local AC, Hot AC or AAA station, be sure to contact them!).

Daniel
sln-news.info (http://sln-news.info)

Johnny Stew

11-08-2003, 04:20 PM

It's always interesting to see how wildly different everyone's opinions are.

I think the album version sounds MUCH fresher than the "work-in-progress" version... which, although I really like it a lot, is pretty standard and by-the-numbers, production-wise.

Plus, I feel that Stevie's vocal on the album version is much more interesting than on the "w.i.p." version.

By the way... are we sure that's Sharon and/or Mindy providing backing vocals on the early "Thrown Down," and not Sheryl Crow?

John Run

11-08-2003, 04:27 PM

Personally I think the wall of sound version sounds dated and will hit a dead end on radio. Sounds like Tango era Fleetwood Mac.

Thrown Down on the album leaves a lot of space so the vocals are what it is about. A much stronger track. Less is more in this case.

gldstwmn

11-08-2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew

By the way... are we sure that's Sharon and/or Mindy providing backing vocals on the early "Thrown Down," and not Sheryl Crow?

I never thought Sharon and Mindy were on there.

sparky

11-08-2003, 05:39 PM

I just listened to the WOS version for the first time in months.
Even though I have always thought the "faith" verse was crucial, it no longer bothers me to hear the song without it. What does bother me are the backup vocals. They totally BUG. They are dated, cheesy, and sound like they could have been pulled off of any random single from 1988. My kingdom for the ability to pull them off the track.
However, the WOS is more satisfying to me because the song actually has a climax ( make of my needs what you will !).
The end of the song sends chills up my spine. The harmonies between L and S are bone tingling. Stevie's vocal, except for the first few words, sounds much more urgent and compelling than the album version.
I don't think the WOS version actually fits into the SYW sound overall, and I bet that is why they pulled it and redid it. Good for them, as the album version does have more cohesion with the songs around it.

Nonetheless, I like having the WOS. Must be that climax thing.

GardenStateGirlie

11-09-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
It's always interesting to see how wildly different everyone's opinions are.

I think the album version sounds MUCH fresher than the "work-in-progress" version... which, although I really like it a lot, is pretty standard and by-the-numbers, production-wise.

Plus, I feel that Stevie's vocal on the album version is much more interesting than on the "w.i.p." version.

By the way... are we sure that's Sharon and/or Mindy providing backing vocals on the early "Thrown Down," and not Sheryl Crow?

I am a total nerd and I love backing vocals and could probably sit here and sing them to you. I am very familar with the backing vocals of the Sharon Celani variety and i'm 110% sure that it's Sharon along with Mindy on the Wall of Sound version. It's totally not Sheryl, IMO. Crank it up and listen to the pronunciation of "away." That? Is Sharon. And it sounds like Mindy to me too. :nod:

riff_Shuffler

11-12-2003, 12:45 PM

Hey all,

So... is ANYONE out there hearing Thrown Down (or SYHA, for that matter)??? No one's reporting it, so I assume not.

I've been calling & faxing my Hot AC station in Bakersfield, CA ~ KLLY 95.3. Last thing I was told (on Monday night) was that they "are not playing TD yet," but will likely "break it out" on the morning show. To that I asked if it would be within the next week. "Definitely," was the response.

Well, so far... nothing. Although I have to say that I am up-to-date on the latest 'happening' pop singles. ;) Train has a great song out, as does John Mayer and Ms. Sheryl Crow....

I am betting (HOPING) that FM will perform Thrown Down on the AMA's this Sunday. Otherwise, there will be no promotion for this single (no video, no Letterman, etc.), and what else can the fans do to get these songs played?? FM *needs* to step up and promote their work.

Disappointed, but still got some *hope*....
Josh
:wavey:

chiliD

11-12-2003, 12:59 PM

If radio stations are playing the WOS version, there HAS to be an "official" release of it.

So, therefore, I would conjecture that the WOS version is one of the extra tracks on the CD single.

I think the WOS version is a great mix for broadcast, plus sounds like circa 1979-82 Fleetwood Mac; which would appeal to the casual Fleetwood Mac fan...they would recognize the "Fleetwood Mac sound" and would probably draw their attention if they'd had the radio on as background music while doing housework or some other chore.

The album version fits with the flow & feel of the Say You Will album.

I like both versions about equally, but I think the WOS version makes for a better "single"...because it stands on its own better than the album version. (Same as with Buckingham Nicks' "Crying In The Night"...the album version flows with the feel of the album, but the single mix...or electric mix, if you prefer...stands on its own and would sound better over the airwaves)

Carolina Girl

11-12-2003, 01:15 PM

My local AC station has already started playing Christmas music all the time (beginning November 1), so I definitely won't be hearing Thrown Down from them any time soon!

shackin'up

11-12-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
It's always interesting to see how wildly different everyone's opinions are.

I think the album version sounds MUCH fresher than the "work-in-progress" version... which, although I really like it a lot, is pretty standard and by-the-numbers, production-wise.

Plus, I feel that Stevie's vocal on the album version is much more interesting than on the "w.i.p." version.

By the way... are we sure that's Sharon and/or Mindy providing backing vocals on the early "Thrown Down," and not Sheryl Crow?

ha ha ha....the wip version. You have no idea what that means in Dutch. But rabbits would like this version!! and it defenitely has a lot more appeal to me, too!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

CarneVaca

11-12-2003, 04:03 PM

I prefer the album version of Thrown Down. The extra verse and the sparse arrangement sounds better to my ear. When I heard the WOS version, oh, about a year ago, it sounded OK but closer to mediocre than good. It actually had me worried about the album in general.

What gets played on the radio doesn't really matter. Not to me, anyway. Who cares if they play it? If all of a sudden one of these singles hits it really big, which is highly unlikely, it could extend the tour. And I'd rather see the band quit touring and go back in the studio.

Lastly, don't kid yourselves. FM is going to play Peacekeeper at the AMA. It is the only song that has achieved some level of recognition from the album. Transcriptions for it have run in at least two guitar magazines, and the song seems to appeal to listeners.

Anyone wanna take a bet on that?

Besides, Steal Your Heart Away is better than Thrown Down, anyway. It is also more radio friendly.

riff_Shuffler

11-12-2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I prefer the album version of Thrown Down. The extra verse and the sparse arrangement sounds better to my ear. When I heard the WOS version, oh, about a year ago, it sounded OK but closer to mediocre than good. It actually had me worried about the album in general.

What gets played on the radio doesn't really matter. Not to me, anyway. Who cares if they play it? If all of a sudden one of these singles hits it really big, which is highly unlikely, it could extend the tour. And I'd rather see the band quit touring and go back in the studio.

Lastly, don't kid yourselves. FM is going to play Peacekeeper at the AMA. It is the only song that has achieved some level of recognition from the album. Transcriptions for it have run in at least two guitar magazines, and the song seems to appeal to listeners.

Anyone wanna take a bet on that?

Besides, Steal Your Heart Away is better than Thrown Down, anyway. It is also more radio friendly.

Ha - well, those are all your opinions. I would personally like to hear the new singles on the radio. It makes the band more current, more "NOW." I want to turn the radio on and hear my favorite band. I do believe that was a major wish of Lindsey Buckingham's for this album, to have some relevance and recognition, in spite of being past their 30's...

Peacekeeper has received the recognition because it was put out there. As in a single that was played, Today & Tonight Show performances, some support from the record label, *a video*... If Thrown Down was actually supported, and played, it very possibly could have the same success that you mentioned PK having.

Remember - to each his own. My opinion is that Thrown Down is much more powerful than SYHA (which I do like and would love to hear on the radio). My favorite version of Thrown Down is the album version. The WOS version is more youthful and vibrant in sound, which I believe would have a better impact on the charts and with new listeners.........

We shall see what gets played, and where.

Josh

KathyD

11-12-2003, 07:21 PM

The lite rock (I know, "ick") station here has a pretty cool DJ. He played Thrown Down for me the day after I sent him an email. He's always cool about that. But, I dunno if it's gonna get much airplay here..............

HomerMcVie, I saw your location. Are you attending IU? I'm a '90 grad.

HomerMcvie

11-12-2003, 09:31 PM

Cue Twilight Zone music:eek:
Kathy, I'm a 90 grad! This town's a hard place to leave for many.

KathyD

11-12-2003, 10:29 PM

My husband is a 90 grad too. We met there junior year.

I'd be an alcoholic if I had stayed in Bloomington!

HomerMcvie

11-13-2003, 03:33 AM

Well,..........uhm...........DOH!!!!
Which bar was your favorite? Bluebird? Yogi's? Mars?
Damn, the shame.....:cool:
Small world, ain't it?

CarneVaca

11-13-2003, 09:44 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by riff_Shuffler
I would personally like to hear the new singles on the radio. It makes the band more current, more "NOW." I want to turn the radio on and hear my favorite band.

What exactly is so great about having your favorite band's music played in the great sonic wasteland that is radio these days? Don't you have the CD? Besides, what happens if the singles hit? Pressure to tour more. Pressure from the label to record more commercial music. I want commercial music, I'll go buy a Spitney Beers record.

Peacekeeper has received the recognition because it was put out there. As in a single that was played, Today & Tonight Show performances, some support from the record label, *a video*...

Say You will was also performed on TV, and even made an appearance on a sitcom trailer. But it didn't get as much radio play. So whether the label pushes these songs or not won't make much of a difference ultimately. Fleetwood Mac's new music just isn't going to hit with the radio audience these days. And if the radio audience is the same people who are buying Christina Aguilera and whatever artist du jour is on right now, no big loss.

I'm still open for that bet on what song gets played on AMA. Peacekeeper!

chiliD

11-13-2003, 11:25 AM

Don't forget, "Thrown Down" (a completely different version from either the album or the WOS one) was played on an episode of "Friends", too. THAT'S when they should've released it as a single.

riff_Shuffler

11-13-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by chiliD
Don't forget, "Thrown Down" (a completely different version from either the album or the WOS one) was played on an episode of "Friends", too. THAT'S when they should've released it as a single.

I agree. I guess that at the time, they thought that putting "Say You Will" - the song - out there would be a good 'ole plug for the album, Say You Will. ;) Hence the second single.

I actually expected and wanted Thrown Down to be *the first* single, since first hearing the TISL demo, and then reading that it would be on the new FM album. I assumed from first listen that the song was about Stevie and Lindsey during The Dance tour, and thought that the *dramatic elements* would bridge that era (Silver Springs '97) to the present, for listeners. If the initial attention had been on TD, with the "timely" Peacekeeper shortly following as the second single, maybe the album would have remained on the charts a bit longer...

Nevertheless, if you like the music, call your radio stations & be heard!!
Josh :)

Johnny Stew

11-13-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Say You will was also performed on TV, and even made an appearance on a sitcom trailer. But it didn't get as much radio play. So whether the label pushes these songs or not won't make much of a difference ultimately.I'm absolutely not belittling "Peacekeeper's" merits as a song, but the first single from the new album by any "name" act has, in recent years, been the one that receives the most attention at radio.

A lot of it has to do with the curiousity-factor.
Does anyone really think that the Eagles' "Hole In The World" would have received as much attention if it were the third or fourth release from their upcoming album?

And even though "Say You Will" was performed on the Today Show and the Tonight Show, "Peacekeeper" was the song radio had been serviced at that time.
"Say You Will" wasn't released to radio stations until several months later... long after those performances.
Same with its use in the 'That 70s Show' promos... that happened before the album itself was even released.

So, with no video to promote it, and with no timely television appearances, the song did less at radio than "Peacekeeper"... although it still made the Top 20 on the AC charts, peaking just two spots below "Peacekeeper."

dissention

11-13-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
the Eagles' "Hole In The World"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sorry, just a mention of that song gives me the giggling hysterics, Johnny.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

A truly horrid song.

Johnny Stew

11-13-2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
"Say You Will"... still made the Top 20 on the AC charts, peaking just two spots below "Peacekeeper." I take that back. "Say You Will" peaked at #17 on the AC charts, while "Peacekeeper" peaked at #10.
I mixed up their AC chart positions with their Adult Top 40 positions. *blushes*

Still, "Say You Will" didn't do badly at all, especially given the lack of timely promotion. :)

CarneVaca

11-13-2003, 08:01 PM

Oh, Johnny, excuses, excuses.

Seriously, there is some wisdom in what you say. Very little though. (Let's not get carried away ;).)

Johnny Stew

11-13-2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Seriously, there is some wisdom in what you say. Very little though. (Let's not get carried away ;).) :p
I have my opinions, but I like to let the facts back up my statements.

This is one of those "what if" kind of things, because we have no way of knowing how "Say You Will" would have done if it had been the first single, or if it had had a video like "Peacekeeper" did, or if it had been performed on national television while it was also being pushed at radio.

But I completely stand behind my statement that "Say You Will" did very well... and I think the Billboard charts back me up on that. :)