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gldstwmn
09-26-2003, 05:02 PM
Got this sent to me from a list I'm on. She's really cutting loose these days:

"Sex, drugs and Stevie Nicks"

http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,7380464%
255E7642,00.html

STEVIE Nicks . . . speaks candidly on the eve of the revamped
Fleetwood Mac's Australian tour

from The Courier-Mail
27sep03

Drug addiction, relationship breakdowns, alcohol abuse and now
menopause: Stevie Nicks has been there and done it all. Nui Te Koha
meets a candid Nicks on the eve of the revamped Fleetwood Mac's
Australian tour

STEVIE Nicks is a proven fighter who wins battles. But her latest
struggle is proving difficult. "Rock and menopause do not mix," the
Fleetwood Mac legend, 55, sighs.

"It is not good, it sucks and every day I fight it to the death, or,
at the very least, not let it take me over."

This is remarkable, given her world tour workload in the re-formed
and revitalised Mac, a genuine supergroup in which Nicks became the
distinctive face and voice.

"I was never going to return to cocaine because when I made the
decision to stop doing coke, I was saving my life," Nicks says. "I
was never going back to coke, so that doctor was an idiot.

"If I could, I would go and kill him today because he ruined my life.

"For those eight years, from 1986 to 1993, I wrote nothing memorable,
I did nothing memorable. I sat in my house and gained weight.

"Did you ever see that movie The Never-Ending Story?

"There is a character in that film, a blob called The Nothing.

"Well, I turned into The Nothing. I was The Nothing for eight years.

"So when people say to me, 'I guess that everything you do makes you
into the person you are today', I don't buy it.

"If I didn't spend those eight years on medication, I would have done
two or three really great albums, Fleetwood Mac may have re-
formed . . .

"There are a gazillion different possibilities that would have been
terrific and memorable.

"But I have nothing from those eight years. It ruined my life. It
took my soul."

These days, and since snapping out of her medicated haze 10 years
ago, Nicks is in a good place.

Her latest solo album, Trouble In Shangri-La marked a stellar return
to form.

And the good chemistry in the historically turbulent Mac has
warranted several happy reunions.

"We have our own 737 jet now, and we are picked up by seven
limousines every day," Nicks giggles.

"As I watch those limousines come out to the airfield, I'm
thinking, 'Oh my God, where is Jimmy Page? Where is Robert Plant?'

"I have to stop for a minute and thank all the gods of rock 'n' roll
that this can still be done, one more time, in this fashion."

For Nicks, this latest journey, a world tour to support Mac's latest
record, Say You Will, began two years ago.

Initially, she took 17 songs from her vaults for the new Mac album,
then pulled those tracks to write four new compositions.

She asked the band – Lindsey Buckingham (vocal, guitar), John McVie
(bass) and Mick Fleetwood (drums) – for 30 days to write the new
songs.

A month later, Nicks returned to the studio with her cassette demo.
By the fourth song, Buckingham, with his hand on Nicks' knee, was
crying.

"How do you do that?" he said, tears streaming down his face.

"Then I cried, we all cried, and we started work," Nicks says.

The Mac dynamic is different this tour. Christine McVie, a singing-
songwriting equal on Rumours, is not in the line-up. She is chasing a
solo career.

"You never want to say it's better without her because, of course,
it's not better without her. She is my best friend," Nicks says.

"From the day I joined Fleetwood Mac, she has been there and all of a
sudden, she's gone. So that has not been good for me. There is a
feminine power that I really miss."

But keyboardist McVie's absence has put them back to a guitar sound
which Buckingham and Nicks refined before joining Fleetwood Mac in
1975.

"It is more dramatic on stage," Nicks says. "It has pushed Lindsey
and I into a situation where there is no Christine to throw a third
of the songs to. There is no Christine to take a third of the blame.

"That has been a very stunning thing for us: to understand and accept
that when we look at each other, there is nobody else there to help
us.

"We had to take up the torch, we had to take up the challenge.

"It's great, it's strong, it's fun, it's electric, it's romantic. We
have our love affair that goes on that stage for 2½ hours every
night. That goes on stage with us and stops when we come off."

Their real-life love affair ended spectacularly in 1976 and permeated
the bitter but nonetheless brilliant Rumours.

Back then, Buckingham emoted the sour break-up anthem Go Your Own
Way, and Nicks, the sublime Dreams, but for the longest time, neither
could speak to each other.

This silent treatment spilt through the Rumours album, its global
success and a subsequent world tour.

Yet, the perception is: Nicks dealt better with the split than
Buckingham.

"I'm just more adaptable. Since I was in the third grade, my parents
moved every two or three years. I learnt to change," Nicks says.

Nicks has been on the road since May 3. She will do European dates in
November and December, break for Christmas, then stop in Hawaii to
acclimatise for the Australian tour in February.

"If I were to have a husband or boyfriend, what would they do, and
what would I tell them? I am really sorry, but I have no time for
you," Nicks says.

"I'd end up saying: 'I totally love you, but I'm too busy, and also,
you can't come out on the road because you don't have a job out
here'.

"It's very hard for men to come out on the road with their rock 'n'
roll women. What do they do? In about three days, they go home."

Nicks pauses, then takes a softer tack.

"You know, maybe someday I will meet some incredible man who will
walk around the corner and sweep me away."

So why has Fleetwood Mac endured? The songs, she says.

"The music never seems to get old, the music never seems to really
change. Sometimes, I go home and can't believe I'm in this band. But
this is what we have worked our whole lives for. We are now able to
enjoy total freedom of walking on that stage and knowing this band is
one of the greatest in rock 'n' roll history."

Fleetwood Mac, Brisbane Entertainment Centre, February 19 and 20,
2004. Ticketek 13 19 31. "I have a big handful of vitamins in the
morning and another big handful at night and I am controlling it,"
Nicks says. "I break out in hot flushes and I just have to sit down.

"That is when I get a big, fabulous Japanese fan and cool myself for
five minutes," she laughs. "I may as well be fabulous while I'm
suffering.

"But the most important thing is, I have figured out a way to control
this. I will not go down.

"I walk on stage, I'm very strong, I'm still pretty cute and I rock."

That goes without saying.

Nicks is the original rock chick, poetic soul and do-or-die survivor
in an extraordinary career of surreal highs and soulless lows.

After their defining record, the classic Rumours (1977) and follow-up
Tusk (1979), Fleetwood Mac spent the subsequent decade getting high.

Nicks lived so hard on drugs and booze, a period she calls
the "cocaine and brandy days", it almost killed her.

A retreat into Klonopin, an anti-depressant drug, led to addiction
and eight years of hell in a social and creative vacuum.

"The cocaine and brandy period was bad, but we managed to have some
fun, though," Nicks says. "I also managed to do some of my greatest
work through those years.

"That's not saying that's a good thing to do, because it's not. But
in comparison with the eight years I spent on Klonopin, the cocaine
and brandy wins hands down."

Nicks was prescribed Klonopin in 1986. "Klonopin is the nastiest
thing I've ever done," she says. "And it was the fault of the doctor
who told me, 'Here, this will help you sleep. This will also help you
not return to cocaine'

gypsysara
09-26-2003, 05:12 PM
Wow... that is an amazing interview... that explains a lot of the critics at her... no wonder she seems tired some times poor thing... and the demos... Lindsey must have cried at Illume...

Livia
09-26-2003, 05:22 PM
Faaabulous, darling! I just ADORE her! And why doesn't she have an affair w/ a crew member, like Christine and Curry Grant?

Stevie deserves a fling!

:wavey:

gldstwmn
09-26-2003, 05:32 PM
"I break out in hot flushes and I just have to sit down.

"That is when I get a big, fabulous Japanese fan and cool myself for
five minutes," she laughs. "I may as well be fabulous while I'm
suffering.

:laugh: :laugh:
This is my favorite part.

You're right, Livia. She should have a fling with one of the crew members. However, they may all be too young and you know how she feels about kissing people who are "too young."

dissention
09-26-2003, 05:54 PM
She's sooooo adorable! The part about the fan cracked me up. :laugh:

Thanks for posting that! :D

golddustchic
09-26-2003, 06:21 PM
Thanks so much for posting that...too funny:laugh:

I love the part when she says "I'm still pretty cute and I rock" How great is that?!

Mad4stevie
09-26-2003, 06:53 PM
Awesome interview! Thanks for posting it!

golddust
09-26-2003, 08:13 PM
What an amazing interview, thank you! I just want to say Stevie has an incredible sense of humor. She is just as funny as Christine always said she was. Yes, at one point Stevie and Curry did get together.

Anthony
09-26-2003, 10:55 PM
Sounds like a song in the making.
But then again, maybe all her songs will be this whole story wrapped around each other.

sulamith
09-26-2003, 11:12 PM
Wow... I loved this!
And since you guys already commented on most of the standout quotes.......

Anybody else get the feeling that when she says,

"If I didn't spend those eight years on medication, I could have done two or three really great albums, Fleetwood Mac may have reformed....."

"There are a gazillion possibilites that would have been terrific and memorable."

....that she may just be thinking about her and Lindsey and what could have been, too?

I mean, geez...she wants to kill the doctor and everything.

Oh well, at least she DOES look fabulous while she is suffering, and writing more songs, I'm sure!

-Sharon

gldstwmn
09-26-2003, 11:22 PM
The "gazillion possibilities" struck me too. I was saddened that she has those regrets. I was also blown away that she feels she wrote nothing relevant from 86-93, so that would include most or all of TOSOTM. I thought she loved that record. I don't think I'd want to be that doctor.:eek:

Sorceress
09-27-2003, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by Livia
Faaabulous, darling! I just ADORE her! And why doesn't she have an affair w/ a crew member, like Christine and Curry Grant?

Stevie deserves a fling!

:wavey:

I totally agree. Maybe she doesn't want a husband or boyfriend, for whatever reason. But that doesn't mean she has to be a freakin' nun! ;)

And thank you Stevie--I've found my new signature! lol

Mystical88
09-27-2003, 10:50 AM
That was a good interview! Thanks for sharing that. It is amazing where she is at in her life. A rock&Roll star and all the Limos and Hotels...... How much better can you get it? She is even with Lindsey in thier own way. This has and is a special tour. Can't wait to see them again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jwd
09-27-2003, 12:31 PM
"If I didn't spend those eight years on medication, I would have done
two or three really great albums, Fleetwood Mac may have re-
formed . . .

"There are a gazillion different possibilities that would have been
terrific and memorable.

"But I have nothing from those eight years. It ruined my life. It
took my soul."



Now that's something she has every right to be PISSED about. If I were her I'd make that a mission for the rest of my life. Let people know how dangerous these prescription drugs can be and how they can totally f*** up your life. Doctors are not Gods and some are worse than drug lords!

Thank God you're "back" Stevie!


Joe

Mystical88
09-27-2003, 01:33 PM
Doctors have you try another one if that doesn't work. But we do have a choice and not take them. But it's true we are suposed to trust the docters and what they are doing.
I am glad Stevie can see clear of that now. Wonder how she is getting by with her hot flashes
She keeps going! Rock On Stevie

darklinensuit
09-27-2003, 03:11 PM
Yeah, the fan comment is an instant Stevie classic.
I'm waiting for a song...
(When can I) Stop Draggin' My Fan Around
One More Big Time Japanese Fan
I've Ovulated & I've Aged & I'm Wise but not Blue

- Jake

The Tower
09-28-2003, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by gldstwmn
"For those eight years, from 1986 to 1993, I wrote nothing memorable,
I did nothing memorable. I sat in my house and gained weight.

I think it's sad that she feels this way. I mean, even if Klonopin ruined her I still think she produced a lot of good stuff during this time. If she really thought that there was "nothing" memorable from this time period, why did she include pieces of it on her box set?

I like ALL that Stevie has to offer, not just Rumours and BellaDonna.

dissention
09-28-2003, 01:01 PM
Well, I think what she's saying is that when you put her work from '86-'93 up against her earlier work, it paled in comparison. And it does. Sister Honey doesn't compare to Edge of Seventeen, Listen To the Rain doesn't stack up with Sable On Blonde, Fire Burning doesn't match up with Storms quality-wise. Not everything was bad, but everything wasn't what it could've been.

You have to put yourself in Stevie's place. She's probably viewing it as 'Here I am, a songwriter who wrote masterpieces like Sara and Gold Dust Woman who degenerated into writing songs like WTTR...S and Love Is Like A River. Something was wrong.' While us fans might like such mediocre songs, the person who is going through the hardships and writing the songs may feel sad and discouraged because they know they could write better under different circumstances.

Just some thoughts. :)

Mystical88
09-28-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by dissention
Well, I think what she's saying is that when you put her work from '86-'93 up against her earlier work, it paled in comparison. And it does. Sister Honey doesn't compare to Edge of Seventeen, Listen To the Rain doesn't stack up with Sable On Blonde, Fire Burning doesn't match up with Storms quality-wise. Not everything was bad, but everything wasn't what it could've been.

You have to put yourself in Stevie's place. She's probably viewing it as 'Here I am, a songwriter who wrote masterpieces like Sara and Gold Dust Woman who degenerated into writing songs like WTTR...S and Love Is Like A River. Something was wrong.' While us fans might like such mediocre songs, the person who is going through the hardships and writing the songs may feel sad and discouraged because they know they could write better under different circumstances.

Just some thoughts. :)



That sure was well put... Thank you dissention

dissention
09-28-2003, 06:51 PM
You're welcome; that's how I always thought of it. :D

darklinensuit
09-28-2003, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by The Tower
I think it's sad that she feels this way. I mean, even if Klonopin ruined her I still think she produced a lot of good stuff during this time. If she really thought that there was "nothing" memorable from this time period, why did she include pieces of it on her box set?

I like ALL that Stevie has to offer, not just Rumours and BellaDonna.

I was going to post this very thing. Stevie wrote some very good songs in this period, and I was suspicious when they were absent from her last solo tour set. I had the feeling she felt this way before she gave that interview.

- Jake

cliffdweller
09-29-2003, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by golddust
What an amazing interview, thank you! I just want to say Stevie has an incredible sense of humor. She is just as funny as Christine always said she was. Yes, at one point Stevie and Curry did get together.

Good lord! That guy was getting all the action. He must have been a real "ladykiller", either that or there must not have been a lot of variety on the road!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

joe
09-30-2003, 10:17 AM
i was a little shocked at this article. maybe it's Stevie's hormones out of whack but i remember she always had the attitude that if she could change anything in her life she wouldn't change one single thing. and she said this only a few years back on the fanatic show so it was after ALL the drugs....she said it's what made you what you are today - all the good and bad stuff....

now, she seems to be having regrets which is not the norm for her. maybe it just caught up with her. i think she's feeling the pressure of getting older especially at this time and now she realizes she "lost" 8 or 10 years and she "needs" that time now. i feel bad for her that she's feeling this way but i can completely understand and sympathize. I'm 33 and have recently returned to school (should be done in 2005...when i'm 35!) and i wasted 10 years doing absolutely nothing....i really don't know what i did...in a way it's ok cause i wasn't settled in my 20's and everything was new to me and a learning experience. however, you reach a certain age and you realize how fast time is going by and you better start doing something before your whole life becomes one big regret! youth is wasted on the young! anyway, so i look at my 20's as being my "lost" period. unfortunately, i can't attribute drugs (well, somewhat) to this "wasted" time.

i hope stevie gets out of this menopause thing soon. my mom (55 too) said she started going through it in January and didn't get her monthly visitor for 9 months and then suddenly it was back. i heard some women go through it for years. that's horrible.

gypsysara
09-30-2003, 11:38 AM
I hope Stevie doesnt dwell on it though... I mean, you cant turn back the clock. I can relate and understand to "time lost" feelings, but Im also in my early 30's and know Ive lived (hopefully) 1/3 of my life at this point. Maybe 1/4 if Im dang lucky. So, I still have a ways to go. Stevie could have only passed her 1/2 mark... so she should bide her time thru the menopause and re-discover herself once more.

blinker12
09-30-2003, 02:48 PM
This overlaps a lot with the "Stevie's songwriting" thread, but I'll post it here anyway.
I agree it is a little sad that she puts down all her songs from 1986-1993 in that way, and, like gypsysara, I hope she doesn't dwell on this too much. After all, her body of work as a whole is magnificent, and she should be very proud of all she's accomplished.
But I also think she's just being realistic about those few years.
First of all, she wrote very little during that period, and most of what she did write was co-written... which, as I've argued before, reflects that she was feeling very uninspired in general. Remember, this is a woman who once wrote (and has now returned to writing) most of her songs on her own.
IMO, the only songs from that era that really hold up to her earlier work are "Seven Wonders" and "Rooms on Fire." She had minimal input in the former and somewhat more in the latter (though I suspect Rick Nowels wrote most of the music). There's some other pleasant stuff in there, for sure, but for me and apparently for her, it just doesn't have the magic of her 1970s and early 1980s work.
Here's the ultimate test: How much do you listen to Behind the Mask and Street Angel compared with, say, Tusk and Bella Donna?

strandinthewind
09-30-2003, 07:20 PM
Also, she has said that the songs for "The Other Side of the Mirror" were pretty much written prior to the onset of the Klonpin haze and that she really likes that particular record, is proud of the songs, etc. So, that really just leaves the Timespace stuff (she wrote only one) and the S.A. stuff some of which was written years before 1992-93. So, all in all, we are talking about only six to eight songs.

Sorcerer386
09-30-2003, 08:59 PM
Strandinthewind is right. I don't think Stevie is really referring to her output of albums as much as she is referring to the fact that she didn't really write anything from 87 to 94, and that's why she didn't do "anything memorable" for those seven or eight years. Plus, I think she realizes now that her performances weren't up to her standard.

dissention
10-01-2003, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by strandinthewind
Also, she has said that the songs for "The Other Side of the Mirror" were pretty much written prior to the onset of the Klonpin haze and that she really likes that particular record, is proud of the songs, etc. So, that really just leaves the Timespace stuff (she wrote only one) and the S.A. stuff some of which was written years before 1992-93. So, all in all, we are talking about only six to eight songs.

I don't think she's referring to the lyrics that she wrote or the music that she wrote necessarily, while I do think she does in some cases. I think she's referring to the end product and the quality of the stuff she put out. It didn't compare with her earlier stuff. I mean, look at Street Angel. Everyone can swear up and down how it isn't as bad as Stevie thinks, but it is. Why? Becuase it was NOT a Stevie Nicks album!! Half the songs were written by other people, the others were almost all outtakes from previous albums. It was uncreative and un-Stevie, IMO.

strandinthewind
10-01-2003, 08:58 AM
ALthough I like Street Angel, I do think that in this time period (BTM, Timespace, S.A.), she also began using in her words "incredible" musical tracks that she bought from Heartbreaker Mike Cambell (sp.?). She would sing her songs to them. I never cared for almost all of those musical tracks and found them somewhat generic. Desert Angel is a good example of this IMO.

:cool: