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Check out this BS... We need to all get together on this one. Lets get a petition going and see if we can make them think twice.
(CBS) Waiting in line won't help you.
Keeping an ear to the ground, checking out Web sites and other news about your favorite musicians might still be of some use.
But in the end, for many concerts, it may soon be true that only cold cash - and plenty of it - will get you the hot tickets you are seeking.
According to the New York Times, Ticketmaster plans later this year to begin auctioning off the best concert seats to the highest online bidders.
The paper says there would be no limit on how high prices could go - it would be simply a matter of how much people were willing to pay.
There is no indication at this point on whether Ticketmaster plans to have any rules to keep ticket brokers or scalpers out of the auction, or would allow all comers - individuals and businesses - to compete on the same basis.
"The band's biggest fans ought to have the best seats, not the band's richest fans," Tim Todd, 47, a Phish fan in Kansas City, told the Times.
An industry analyst is quoted as saying that prime seats at the hottest concerts are "undervalued in the marketplace" and auctions are likely to push prices up as a whole.
Tickets have long been resold in auction settings - particularly on eBay, which does a heavy volume in tickets of all kinds.
But in many states, the resale of concert tickets is subject to strict rules meant to protect consumers and give the small scale fan a chance to buy tickets for their favorite event.
Ticketmaster's plan, by contrast, involves the first time sale of tickets and does not appear to be subject to anti-scalper rules.
"The tickets are worth what they're worth," said Ticketmaster CEO and president John Pleasants, in an interview with the Times. "If somebody wants to charge $50 for a ticket, but it's actually worth $1,000 on eBay, the ticket's worth $1,000. I think more and more, our clients - the promoters, the clients in the buildings and the bands themselves - are saying to themselves 'Maybe that money should be coming to me instead of Bob the Broker.' "
© MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/01/tech/main570971.shtml
darklinensuit
09-03-2003, 09:41 PM
Ticketmaster is scum!
Anybody want to join me in hunting down & filming this CEO in true "Roger and Me" style?
I'm drivin'!
- Jake
gldstwmn
09-03-2003, 09:44 PM
I would be extremely careful as this petition may fall into the wrong hands. I would also be extremely careful who I gave my information to. PLEASE BE CAREFUL EVERYONE!
Miranda
09-03-2003, 10:32 PM
How is this any different than what they're doing now?
Does anyone really believe currently scalped front row seats aren't already done in collusion with ticketbastard and ticketbastard employees?
Now they're trying to make it legit?
Probably because there's a lot of snooping around by the authorities who are supposed to enforce the laws about this stuff.
What happened to anti-trust laws? Ticketbastard runs a monopoly on these seats and they think they can sell to the highest bidder without regulation?
Let's see how far this goes before lawsuits start happening.
SaraRhiannon
09-03-2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Check out this BS...
Check out this BS!!
http://fan_club_fraud.tripod.com/index.html
Word to the wise: heed gldstwmn's warning. Might not be a good idea to give out your personal info on "Pix's" petition.
Christ you're paranoid. Start your own friggn petition. I didn't even start one. Gimme a break I could give a **** who you are. If I wanted to know I already would.
I'm just trying to give (others) a heads up on this… but I must have some kind of motive… If I didn't want you to know who I was I never would have signed my other name at the bottom of posts.
I knew you would come after me, but I don't give a **** about that either... I'm not posting here for you bitter people that seem to think I'm some sort of evil person. Oh be careful... what he could get your name and....??? Just what the hell would I want with it? Gimme a break... move on.
I will continue to come over and post for those that I think would like to know... For those of you that don't like me fine. I don't like you either.
You assume that I have started a petition, which I have not. There was already a conspiracy and nothing has even been done. You come up with the craziest **** like someone attacked your computers for bitching at Micks… Utter and complete BS. You come up with BS like I was flown here or got front row seats there. Again, you are completely wrong. I could show where I paid for every front row, which I won’t, but even if I did you would scream that I was reimbursed. I suppose they gave me the tickets that I gave away out of my own pocket too?
I'm not going to read your response to this because I know your just going to come up with more unfounded BS. If I think there is something the rest of the board needs to know about I will post. I will not however, read anymore of you paranoid fantasy.
darklinensuit
09-04-2003, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Pix
Christ you're paranoid. Start your own friggn petition. I didn't even start one. Gimme a break I could give a **** who you are. If I wanted to know I already would.
I'm just trying to give (others) a heads up on this… but I must have some kind of motive… If I didn't want you to know who I was I never would have signed my other name at the bottom of posts.
I knew you would come after me, but I don't give a **** about that either... I'm not posting here for you bitter people that seem to think I'm some sort of evil person. Oh be careful... what he could get your name and....??? Just what the hell would I want with it? Gimme a break... move on.
I will continue to come over and post for those that I think would like to know... For those of you that don't like me fine. I don't like you either.
You assume that I have started a petition, which I have not. There was already a conspiracy and nothing has even been done. You come up with the craziest **** like someone attacked your computers for bitching at Micks… Utter and complete BS. You come up with BS like I was flown here or got front row seats there. Again, you are completely wrong. I could show where I paid for every front row, which I won’t, but even if I did you would scream that I was reimbursed. I suppose they gave me the tickets that I gave away out of my own pocket too?
I'm not going to read your response to this because I know your just going to come up with more unfounded BS. If I think there is something the rest of the board needs to know about I will post. I will not however, read anymore of you paranoid fantasy.
Oh, I see.
Did you start a petition?:) :wavey:
Do you like us either?
BTW, thanks for summing up the motto of the unmotivated student: "If I wanted to know I already would." That's a keeper.
- Jake
gypsysara
09-04-2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Pix
1) I knew you would come after me, but I don't give a **** about that either...
2) I will continue to come over and post for those that I think would like to know... For those of you that don't like me fine. I don't like you either.
3) ...You come up with the craziest **** like someone attacked your computers for bitching at Micks… Utter and complete BS.
4) I'm not going to read your response to this because I know your just going to come up with more unfounded BS. If I think there is something the rest of the board needs to know about I will post. I will not however, read anymore of you paranoid fantasy.
1) Good to know the feeling is mutual
2) I feel fans look out for one another here WITHOUT your involvement. If there is a true uprising, I would definetly hear about it via my other favorite band, the String Cheese Incident, who by the way is SUING Ticketmaster right now - so I would of course post it over here if they are going to do something about it. I have NO desire to list my personal information on some website. Funny how in the other thread you said you wernt coming back... but like a bad dream you keep popping up.
3) Although my computer was not abducted by an Alien or Mick Fleetwood, YOU DID BAN ME FOR MY ONE AND ONLY POST OVER ON ***YOUR BOARD*** WHERE I WAS POINTING OUT YOU WERE BREAKING YOUR OWN RULES. Kiss my *ss Trinity, that was a bloody lie you told.
4) YOUR A COWARD. GO AND RUN AND HIDE TO DADDY MICK.
:wavey:
post script ~ its a travesty we cant BAN YOU!
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Pix
If I wanted to know I already would.
Uh huh.:nod:
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Miranda
What happened to anti-trust laws? Ticketbastard runs a monopoly on these seats and they think they can sell to the highest bidder without regulation?
Let's see how far this goes before lawsuits start happening.
How about the Justice Department? They went after Bill Gates, Clear Channel and a whole list of others. Ticketmaster's turn will inevitably come. Like gypsysara said, the bands have already started suing them.
gypsysara
09-04-2003, 12:52 PM
I do agree that Ticketb*stard & Clear Channel are monopolistic companies...
http://www.stringcheeseincident.com/news.tm.full.htm
Link to my barefoot boys' website and their speil on the whole lawsuit issue.
"SCI Ticketing filed the lawsuit claiming that ticketing giant Ticketmaster has monopolized the ticketing industry, using its immense market power to prevent competition for the sale of concert tickets. SCI Ticketing is the first artist-centered ticketing company to sue Ticketmaster in federal court."
Johnny Stew
09-04-2003, 02:20 PM
I don't wish to step on Vianna's toes here, but I just want to remind everyone that personal attacks are not acceptable on these boards.
If you have a personal feud with someone, work it out elsewhere.
If you don't like someone and don't care to read what they have to say, use the ignore function here on The Ledge.
Thank you.
How could anyone work it out elsewhere with this person when they have an unfair advantage and can come here and stir the pot whenever they like knowing that most people can't go where they are? This person knows it and is taking full advantage of the hospitality here on this site when people were thrown off of their site for saying far less than they have said here.
I think PIX would have to hit the ignore function for most of the people on this site if they wanted to ignore the people who have a problem with them.
PIX seems all worked up about this "BS" but didn't do a thing to help the members of this community when they were hurt and cheated by Jonathan Todd's "BS". PIX didn't see the need to help the community then, but they can't understand why their motives of help are constantly being questioned now.
FAR TOO LITTLE FAR TOO LATE by someone who had a hand in supporting so much "BS" that this community was hurt by.
PIX was front and center when people were being hurt left and right by his own actions and those of his boss and did not lift a fiinger to come over here then to help the members who could not reach the club and were banned from Mick's site.
His last post here
"If you would like to meet and discuss it sometime it can be arranged"
was a clear threat in the context of the thread and the statements being made.
PIX has access to the SUPPOSED 3300 members of Mick's site so why does he need the support of the people here? SURELY, they ALL can't be scalpers. Even if most or many of them are scalpers I would think they'd be thrilled to have PIX and the support of the FLEETWOOD MAC FANCLUB in helping to keep them in business. Scalpers need a leader, maybe PIX is it! And now that Jonathan (come lately) Todd is HOPPING MAD over the scalpers taking seats away from innocent fans, he might want to put all of his resources behind helping the fans again. He's been such a support to this community that I'm sure he would help PIX in this new effort.
I think the members of this community were told to MOVE ON enough at Mick's site by the caring devoted members there, do we really need PIX coming over here telling us to MOVE ON, again?
I see that the LOVELY caring members of PIX's community who told us off every chance they got to MOVE ONE, STOP COMPLAINING, YOU'RE RUINING OUR FUN, GET OVER IT are now the victims of bad seats bought through their great fanclub and are missing the opportunity to buy better seats as they come available. It's just a crying shame that people had to be hurt by so much "BS" and PIX stood at the edge of the ditch shoveling the "BS" allover this community. Maybe PIX can offer to stop that "BS" and go help some of them.
BTW, that second post PIX made in this thread seemed like it lacked CIVILITY. I believe PIX was really hung up about the "LACK OF CIVILITY" by the people he threw out of Mick's site, and now here he comes.......
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 03:59 PM
Pix (aka Trinity, JT's brown nose) said:
"I will continue to come over and post for those that I think would like to know... For those of you that don't like me fine. I don't like you either. "
Good to know that we are on the same page. Thing is that you fixed it where we can't post on Micks site. You used all that power huh? Hows it make you feel to come over here, to our world, and know that you aren't wanted?
What I recommend is that NO ONE post to anything that he has to say. Maybe he will slink back to the dark side.
I don't know where you came from before you put on that admin cap, but, you better have paid the rent there. You will be back there soon.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Johnny Stew
09-04-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Cour
How could anyone work it out elsewhere with this person when they have an unfair advantage and can come here and stir the pot whenever they like knowing that most people can't go where they are? This person knows it and is taking full advantage of the hospitality here on this site when people were thrown off of their site for saying far less than they have said here.This is your forum, and we've always wanted people to have the opportunity to speak their minds here.
But we do have some guidelines and rules, and personal attacks are against those rules.
Mind you, I'm not singling anyone out... my first post was simply a reminder.
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
This is your forum, and we've always wanted people to have the opportunity to speak their minds here.
But we do have some guidelines and rules, and personal attacks are against those rules.
Mind you, I'm not singling anyone out... my first post was simply a reminder.
I responded to your post because I was not sure who or what you were directing your comments to and I'm still not sure.
I think there's an unavoidable problem here and PIX knows that but he also knows he's not going to be thrown out of here.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
This is your forum, and we've always wanted people to have the opportunity to speak their minds here.
But we do have some guidelines and rules, and personal attacks are against those rules.
Mind you, I'm not singling anyone out... my first post was simply a reminder.
Would that include the post that Pix made inviting someone to fight? The physical threat?
ShamHy89
09-04-2003, 04:33 PM
Is there anywhere I could have more information on this whole fan club conflict thing. I think I have completely missed everything.
Shamus:)
Johnny Stew
09-04-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by seeknpeace
Would that include the post that Pix made inviting someone to fight? The physical threat? As I said, personal attacks are against the rules.
That goes for everyone. No one is exempt.
And... again... my first post was simply a reminder.
Not singling anyone out... not rapping anyone's knuckles... not taking sides...
Just a reminder. :)
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by ShamHy89
Is there anywhere I could have more information on this whole fan club conflict thing. I think I have completely missed everything.
Shamus:)
Here you go:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8954
More:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10138
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10521
gypsysara
09-04-2003, 05:35 PM
Hey Im all for not reading posts that dont interest me, or people I feel have different attitudes than my own... but it goes against my grain seeing Pix lie and not speaking up against it. Its a nusiance to have Pix freely able to post over here, but it wont detract me from posting myself.
If Pix wants to come here and "be nice" that's their right, and so be it. I cant change that. Its a shame Pix doesnt recognize we really dont need their help, despite the personal level they (they being MF.com) have taken the club-fiasco to. But I wont stand up for lies or being rude to people whom I feel are pretty decent folks. I wont slander anyone, but if Im banned for defending my beliefs, well then so be it. LOL wouldnt be the first time...
1) I have not lied about anything.
2) I have not been rude to anyone. I have only responded to being attacked.
The Tower
09-04-2003, 06:34 PM
Well, I'm not that personally involved the whole "Trinity" thang, because I never really posted on that cheezy FM board.
However, I did pay the membership fee. I did get crappy "pre-sale" tickets to the Staples Center. I ended up getting better seats at the same price through ticketbasterd WITHOUT "help" from the fan club. And, of course, I was unable to unload the crappy fan club seats ("the best 20% of the house my ass"). So, $300.00 got flushed down the toilet.
So, after all that, I felt- leave well enough alone, ya know.
However, I am proud of all the Ledgies that keep on fighting that fan club (how it can even be called that, I don't know). I just don't like getting down in the dirt with sleazy, scuzzy people.
PIX: I thought you said you weren't coming back here? I mean, the following IS a direct quote from you:
"I'm not going to read your response to this because I know your just going to come up with more unfounded BS. If I think there is something the rest of the board needs to know about I will post. I will not however, read anymore of you paranoid fantasy."
:confused: :confused:
I wasn't going to respond until someone called me a liar.
Originally posted by Pix
2) I have not been rude to anyone. I have only responded to being attacked.
"Christ you're paranoid. Start your own friggn petition. I didn't even start one. Gimme a break I could give a **** who you are. If I wanted to know I already would"
"I knew you would come after me, but I don't give a **** about that either... I'm not posting here for you bitter people that seem to think I'm some sort of evil person. Oh be careful... what he could get your name and....??? Just what the hell would I want with it? Gimme a break... move on."
"You come up with the craziest **** like someone attacked your computers for bitching at Micks… Utter and complete BS. "
"If you would like to meet and discuss it sometime it can be arranged"
As usual, the rules only apply as they like them. Get booted out of their site for questioning things and come over here and they lose their civility. Go figure.
I belive he THINKS he's being picked on. Awwww...In the words of one understanding and sweet "Dino" from Mick's site....TSK TSK TSK.
Oh ya... I just came over and went off for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with a few calling me names and accusing me of lies, and being gay... sucking male organs, kissing ass, being a minion, selling out, etc. I'm not the one who needs to work on being civil. I would quote the guy that said some of this stuff, but the post has vanished.
You can accuse me of not being civil, but anyone who has read the garbage a few people throw my direction knows that I have taken that crap for all to long and not said a word. Hell, I've been accused of being in league with Satan. I have always been civil when I came here, but I'm not going to take **** without responding to it anymore.
The quote about "discussing it" was in direct response to someone telling me I perform oral sex on men. (Paraphrase) That post has now been removed. I should have quoted it so he couldn't remove it, but I didn't think you guys did that here...
Don't tell me I'm not the one being civil. I have been civil and been attacked anyway. If people want to attack me now, the can expect it in return. If they leave me alone I will do the same. If not then we can continue like this.
gypsysara
09-04-2003, 08:08 PM
So let me ask you this Pix. Is it "civil" to ban users from the BBS you run without a legitimate justified cause? Your rules state to not post (c) copyrighted material aka photos w/out permission. When your other administrator, GoldDustWoman aka Jackie was DOING JUST THAT, you looked the other way. When I brought it up in my one and only post, I was banned. I was told because monitors from your board were looking here and saw me as siding with the people who got burned by the club. I was just standing up for my FRIENDS -- not to mention pointing out the ADMINISTRATORS (one of which would be you) were breaking their own rules. Why are the rules ok for everyone else but you two?
And yes, you were rude by deleting your thread here (if nothing else) a few months ago. Your rude for not caring about the fans who YOUR EMPLOYER and YOU have ripped off. That's very rude IMO.
Im not surprised your back here though, and yes, I feel you are a liar - sorry it surprises you, but Im not sorry for how I feel.
Originally posted by Pix
Oh ya... I just came over and went off for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with a few calling me names and accusing me of lies, and being gay... sucking male organs, kissing ass, being a minion, selling out, etc. I'm not the one who needs to work on being civil. I would quote the guy that said some of this stuff, but the post has vanished.
You can accuse me of not being civil, but anyone who has read the garbage a few people throw my direction knows that I have taken that crap for all to long and not said a word. Hell, I've been accused of being in league with Satan. I have always been civil when I came here, but I'm not going to take **** without responding to it anymore.
The quote about "discussing it" was in direct response to someone telling me I perform oral sex on men. (Paraphrase) That post has now been removed. I should have quoted it so he couldn't remove it, but I didn't think you guys did that here...
Don't tell me I'm not the one being civil. I have been civil and been attacked anyway. If people want to attack me now, the can expect it in return. If they leave me alone I will do the same. If not then we can continue like this.
While many of us would love to continue this fascinating conversation about how you've been treated unfairly and take it off this site, you and your boss took that right away from us so it's only natural that people will respond where freedom of speech is not only for the people who support the administrators and Jonathan Todd.
So it's not fair, but see...you still get to come here and USE this site when you and the person you work for took that away from this community. Not only were people banned from posting on the site, they were banned from viewing the site.
The mass bannings weren't fair. Jonathan Tood removing posts to hide what was going on wasn't fair. The whole Fanclub debacle wasn't fair. It's not fair that Jonathan Todd and you and Jackie ruined what should have been a great time for the fans of Fleetwood Mac.
You had ample opportunity to respond to those things you felt were unfair when they were being said, but you didn't and let loose now and lost your civility, somehow that's supposed to be alright. The same way a few "SELECT" members of your site can be as nasty as they like to anyone they like and not only arent't they warned but the posts with the nasty comments and rude remarks are left there because they support your cause. That's alright in your book and that's the way that site runs, we all learned that the hard way.
I've heard that you don't agree with Jonathan Todd and a lot of what he does and what goes on, but there came a point where you stayed on and any shred of respect that some members of this community might have had left for you was gone.
The fact is, you never came over here to help the members of this community who were thrown out of your site when they were having problems with the fanclub and phone calls were not being returned and fans were losing out. You came AFTER your site became a ghost town and Jonathan Todd's actions were brought before the management and band. All of a sudden you want to help the fans who belong to this community as well as the chosen few over at your own site.
How come you don't say the word ***** in every sentence over on your site, but can't seem to control yourself from saying it over and over again here.
You want to help? Why don't you go ask Jonathan Todd why after being outed on the stolen identities he promised to change the passwords before the presales began for the second leg, but sometime in the 36 hours before the first presale for the second leg he went in and deleted his own post about promising to change the passwords. Why don't you help so when some poor fan gets a decent ticket to a show and gets to the checkout at ticketmaster and finds their allotment was used by someone else and was actually stolen. Help them get back the tickets they can't have because it took the Fanclub a few hours to straighten out the mess caused because Jonathan Todd is lazy and a liar.
There comes a time when you can't deny what has been done to the fans by Jonathan Todd, you've long passed that opportunity. The reason your site is a ghost town is because so many people who had stayed and stayed finally couldn't make anymore excuses for him, it's a shame you couldn't come to the same conclusion.
So let me ask you this Pix. Is it "civil" to ban users from the BBS you run without a legitimate justified cause? Your rules state to not post (c) copyrighted material aka photos w/out permission. When your other administrator, GoldDustWoman aka Jackie was DOING JUST THAT, you looked the other way. When I brought it up in my one and only post, I was banned. I was told because monitors from your board were looking here and saw me as siding with the people who got burned by the club. I was just standing up for my FRIENDS -- not to mention pointing out the ADMINISTRATORS (one of which would be you) were breaking their own rules. Why are the rules ok for everyone else but you two?
And yes, you were rude by deleting your thread here (if nothing else) a few months ago. Your rude for not caring about the fans who YOUR EMPLOYER and YOU have ripped off. That's very rude IMO.
Im not surprised your back here though, and yes, I feel you are a liar - sorry it surprises you, but Im not sorry for how I feel.
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Stephanie
We were not talking about the other board here. We were talking about being civil on this board. I haven’t posted any pictures that are under any ones copyright. The Club does not employ me, and I don’t get paid, nor did I “rip anyone off.”
Who told you that they saw what you were doing here and they banned you? That is another lie. Nobody was ever banned for what they said on another board. There were many times when I told people not to start an us/them toward this board. All you that read there know this to be true. I never banned anyone unless they were nasty and defamatory.
I deleted a thread here a couple of months ago because people decided to make it into and argument when I posted about times that a FM broadcast would be aired. It had nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Just as this thread has changed from me telling you guys about TM… into people using it to attack me.
Just because you, “feel” I’m a liar doesn’t make me one, and you can show me nothing that proves that I lie because there is no such case.
Nothing you are saying is surprising to me from what some have said about me here. I’m not asking for anyone to feel for me. I expect they be civil and I will do the same. If you don’t like me that’s fine leave me alone and I will reciprocate.
"We were not talking about the other board here"
You may not be talking about the other board here, but for many of the fans you being here brings that board here, and while you might not like that or think it's unfair, that's the bed you've chosen to sleep in and that's the way things are.
"I deleted a thread here a couple of months ago because people decided to make it into and argument when I posted about times that a FM broadcast would be aired. It had nothing to do with the subject of the thread"
That was the second thread that was deleted here by a member of your site in a few short months because that's the way you operate over there. Like you said, that's not the way things are here. People feel very differently here about who owns the thread once other people have responded to the original poster and you don't have the right to make that decision for everyone else.
"I never banned anyone unless they were nasty and defamatory."
First of all we have no proof about who banned who over on your site and you can't keep hiding behind that. We realize that it suits your needs when things get hot, but like I said, you chose to look the other way over and over and now you have to accept the things that come with that decision. As usual, no one in mgmt there can ever take responsibility for anything, it's always someone else's fault. That got old a long time ago.
EDITED TO ADD: You also don't ban people who insult and abuse other people as long as they're defending the administration and agenda of your site.
Can you reallly NOT understand why you're in this position and can you NOT try to understand what has happened. Even if you think that we're all wrong, certainly you can remember what has happened the last few months and try to not make things worse AGAIN. Can you try to let us enjoy what's left of this tour, must the entire tour be ruined because you want to prove a point,, NOW...so long down the road
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Thanks for the words, but now they will accuse you of being someone from Mick's board.
I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.
SaraRhiannon
09-04-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Pix
I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.
Glad you understand. Bye now! :wavey:
"I don't like the way you all have turned this into a personal attack."
We don't like a lot of the things that were done to us.
"I guess it's too much for you all to join forces as Fleetwood Mac fans and call a truce to the mudslinging until we get to the bottom of this."
I think it's PIX who has been slinging the most mudd in this thread, but of course you're entitled to your opinion.
"I guess you were just all talk."
I don't know what you're referring to.
"It's easy to have a Bitchfest but when it comes time to walk the walk I guess the people that have ganged up on Pix just can't hang. That's OK"
Oh, we've been walking the walk alright, just not the same one as you and the people from your site.
"I can hang and there's over 3000 others just like me, who think like me, who are decent like me, who will fight like me and will be breathing REAL AIR like Me"
and NOW we get to the good stuff. I'm truly sorry that we're not "decent" enough for you, but who made you a judge of who is decent. I think that REAL AIR might be going to your head, but I'm not a doctor or anything.
"And another thing"
Oh lordy, here it comes.....
"This isn't a question and answer free for all session
It was an opening to discuss how TicketMaster has affected us and how we might all benefit by looking into it together."
Do you get to decide everything for everyone all of the time, or just when you're over on your site? How does that work?
Sorry we're not decent enough for you, try real hard to find those 3300 people, maybe they're hiding out somewhere and if you look real hard they'll turn up and be decent enough for you. Y'all come back real soon!
And let's pray they don't rally the rest of the troops. Geez.
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seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Oh ya... I just came over and went off for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with a few calling me names and accusing me of lies, and being gay... sucking male organs, kissing ass, being a minion, selling out, etc. I'm not the one who needs to work on being civil. I would quote the guy that said some of this stuff, but the post has vanished.
You can accuse me of not being civil, but anyone who has read the garbage a few people throw my direction knows that I have taken that crap for all to long and not said a word. Hell, I've been accused of being in league with Satan. I have always been civil when I came here, but I'm not going to take **** without responding to it anymore.
The quote about "discussing it" was in direct response to someone telling me I perform oral sex on men. (Paraphrase) That post has now been removed. I should have quoted it so he couldn't remove it, but I didn't think you guys did that here...
Don't tell me I'm not the one being civil. I have been civil and been attacked anyway. If people want to attack me now, the can expect it in return. If they leave me alone I will do the same. If not then we can continue like this.
Bring it brotha. You won't find the same "Ty So Much Trin. You Are So Helpful. I Love You" over here. You burned your bridges. end of story. I think that the majority of the fan base has no use for you or for Miss Mick Balls now. And, God, I hate to think what you would do if anyone posted on Micks site the way that you post here. You having some kinda double standard for yourself?
sodascouts
09-04-2003, 09:37 PM
Even if you don't like Trinity's past actions, he was just trying to do something nice by posting about this action by Ticketmaster, as well as when he posted about good seats coming up earlier. Why attack him for that?
Originally posted by Pix
I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.
Yeah, there are a LOT of hard feelings.
You have 3300 members, surely you can't need the few hundred who post here. You also have the thousands that belong to the fanclub, maybe Jonathan will let you have that list too.
Maybe you'd like to sign our petition about firing Jonathan Todd. Ours seem to have caught the attention of the right people, maybe we can help you to get yours into the right hands.
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
How could Pix's statement above have turned into a pissing contest such as this?
13 posts. Gee, I wonder where you came from all of a sudden?:confused:
You’re right... I don't expect anyone to kiss up to me, but I don't expect them to say I suck #^#@ either, and if I get a bit testy because someone says stuff like that then I guess it is a double standard. You just ignore all the stuff that was said about me (or agree with it) then say well shame on him for saying **** when someone called him a XXXXXX.
Talk about being selective on what is tolerated.
Go read the other thread Cour... and the hundred that a few have used to slam me for months... Oh, but that is all right, because that was your view too. It's the same as the crap you accuse me of.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Thanks for the words, but now they will accuse you of being someone from Mick's board.
Yep. You got that right if you did not get another thing right. 3000 ppl in your defense? Who are you kidding? bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
All the derision and attitude and "pissing" is deserved. We deserve the right to not have to deal with one of the ppl who have destroyed so much of this experience for a LARGE majority of the fans.. Oh, and so you know, the petition against the fan clue, Jonathan Todd and Micks site is up to 460 names now. Those are REAL ppl. Not made up.
Originally posted by sodascouts
Even if you don't like Trinity's past actions, he was just trying to do something nice by posting about this action by Ticketmaster. Why attack him for that?
I think if you go back to the start of this thread, very little was said and PIX was not attacked, the fanclub was brought up with just a link to the site about the facts and people were warned about giving their addresses or personal information to the petition.
It was PIX who came out swinging a blade and took this thread in that direction. He decided to lash out about every mean thing that had been said about him before. I think the beginning of the thread was pretty harmless, but he chose to take it in another direction.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Pix
I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.
that is right. Where you go, we don't go. Where you are, we are not. If you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. You have your fleas. Enjoy them. When JT is gone, when you ARE NOT an admin anymore, this is what you have to look forward to in this community. Sucks. I know how it feels. You did it to me.
Smokin Joe
09-04-2003, 09:47 PM
Can't beleive what I am seeing here. Some of you would say, as I have seen it here in the past, 'If you don't like it, don't read it.' Why dont you people heed what you preach. Some of you don't like 'Pix.' Fine. Then why are you responding to that persons post? I would like to see something come out of that proposal but it will not happen for many, because, a few of you will not allow it. Many will not post here because they don't want to catch any flak from you people. All you people are doing is proving to the world just how ignorant you can act. You want people to support your cause and fight in the trenches with you. I don't want anyone along side of me that acts like this. Like the song says, 'go your own way,' and i will, my way, not your way.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Can't beleive what I am seeing here. Some of you would say, as I have seen it here in the past, 'If you don't like it, don't read it.' Why dont you people heed what you preach. Some of you don't like 'Pix.' Fine. Then why are you responding to that persons post? I would like to see something come out of that proposal but it will not happen for many, because, a few of you will not allow it. Many will not post here because they don't want to catch any flak from you people. All you people are doing is proving to the world just how ignorant you can act. You want people to support your cause and fight in the trenches with you. I don't want anyone along side of me that acts like this. Like the song says, 'go your own way,' and i will, my way, not your way.
Well, GoodBye Baby, I hope you don't forget me. And, too bad you don't understand. I don't really care. Who are you anyway?
Why am I responding???? CAUSE I WANT TO. Is that clear enough? I can't say how I feel on the other site. I cannot stand up to him over there when he runs all over my friends, causes them upset and so forth, but, I can here. Sorry if that sticks in your craw.
Not true at all... Beware of giving any info to them. I hadn't even started a petition, and they come off like I'm in league with the Devil and I must have some other grand design on getting peoples names and/or phone numbers. All I said was that we need to team up then they say "BEWARE" He really has anterior motives.
That was a clear statement that I was involved in some type of conspiracy to gather names and addresses, and nothing was even done.
Try reading some of the other threads Like the front row tickets one. If someone would'nt have deleted his comments that made for some X-rated reading. What? Nobody even remembers what was said?
Originally posted by Pix
You’re right... I don't expect anyone to kiss up to me, but I don't expect them to say I suck #^#@ either, and if I get a bit testy because someone says stuff like that then I guess it is a double standard. You just ignore all the stuff that was said about me (or agree with it) then say well shame on him for saying **** when someone called him a XXXXXX.
Talk about being selective on what is tolerated.
Go read the other thread Cour... and the hundred that a few have used to slam me for months... Oh, but that is all right, because that was your view too. It's the same as the crap you accuse me of.
I don't know what thread you're talking about and what do you know about my view? What is the same as the crap I accuse you of.
Gee, I'd love to go over to your site and get the downright nasty posts from some of your treasured posters who repeatedly attacked people and continue to do so, but most of the threads have been deleted because that's the way your boss likes it. How come those people are allowed to treat anyone they please anyway they like and no one does anything about it because they're defending the cause and the administration over there. Someone wants to complain about the fanclub or site as late as July and they were told off in no uncertain terms and you and Jackie did nothing and allowed the posts to remain and the posters are still held in high regard.
I have asked you a few questions in this thread but you ignore them. If you've been attacked unfairly then that's the price you've paid for staying and SUPPORTING what went on and continues to go on over on that board. You made a choice for yourself and since we had no choice in being banned, you and your administration made choices for us too. It might not be fair or the way you would like it to be but you had a chance to get out a long time ago, you still have a chance. Somehow I think you'll go down with your boss, but that's YOUR choice and you'll have to live with YOUR decisions.
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by sodascouts
Even if you don't like Trinity's past actions, he was just trying to do something nice by posting about this action by Ticketmaster, as well as when he posted about good seats coming up earlier. Why attack him for that?
Respectfully Nancy, a lot of us came here after "all that" and felt it was a safe haven for us. I fail to understand why an admin form Mick's board is coming over here now, suddenly wanting to "help" all the time. He has an entire chat board to himself. If the focus of blame for the fiasco that is the fan club could be shifted elsewhere, how convenient would that be? We are talking about serious stakes here for some people involved in this thing. Remember the email and letter writing campaign a few months back where you had to write something about the fan club to win front row tickets? How would it look to investigators if known disgruntled fans signed a petition against Ticketmaster and it was presented in a certain light?
SeeknMissy
09-04-2003, 10:02 PM
The **** is really flying tonight.
Not surprised by all the circle spinning though.
It's Typical of the Shallow Mentality that are replying to you Pix.
I think there are some here that understand the point you were trying to make. The others well, they always miss the Forest for the Trees.
Cheers
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by SeeknMissy
The **** is really flying tonight.
Not surprised by all the circle spinning though.
It's Typical of the Shallow Mentality that are replying to you Pix.
I think there are some here that understand the point you were trying to make. The others well, they always miss the Forest for the Trees.
Cheers
I find it very interesting that every person that has popped up to defend poor beaten down Trin became a member in June of 2003, and have less than 20 posts to their name and are unknown here. :confused:
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.
I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
It figures YOU would be the one to find it INTERESTING.
I am sure you must think it's some kind of conspiracy.
What else is NEW?
:laugh:
hahahahaha...bwaahahahaha...
Thanks. If you are against me, then I am in good company and can feel better about myself.
Yep, buddarow, it would figure. I watch and I copy and I use what is so kindly given. Nothing else is new. I got it all down. Just watch it unfold.
And, why is it that all of you registered in June? You know, inquiring minds want to know. Cut paste cut paste...it has become a normal part of my life now.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.
I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.
I beg to disagree Trin. It still goes on. You still allow the ppl in your "camp" to go after anyone that is dissenting over there. It happens every time. You may warn them, who knows, but, that is a lot more than you afforded any of us. The three of you just chopped off heads left and right. You know what? It hurt like hell at the time, and made us angry as hell as time went by. So, here we are. Your just desserts.
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by SeeknMissy
The **** is really flying tonight.
Not surprised by all the circle spinning though.
It's Typical of the Shallow Mentality that are replying to you Pix.
I think there are some here that understand the point you were trying to make. The others well, they always miss the Forest for the Trees.
Cheers
Nice to meet you. That's a fine first post. Jackie?
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by gldstwmn
Nice to meet you. That's a fine first post. Jackie?
Good Call gldstwmn. Thank you so much. Took your advice too, by the way. All neatly socked away. :wavey:
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Pix
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
And a stitch in time saves nine and easy come easy go and he who laughes last laughes best, a rolling stone gathers no moss, it ain't over til the fat lady sings, but, best, you reap what you sow. Any more? Guys? I like this game.
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 10:28 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
Good Going Seek
Ha I have so much "SOCKED AWAY" that I had to buy more web space.
The verbal assault/slander file from here is extremely interesting.
Is that a threat? You know, one of the hardest things to prove in a court of law is slander. The one bringing the suit must prove that what is said is slander, the burden is on them. And, they must file against the person they are accusing in that persons state. And, they must find an attorney that is willing to bring such a hard to win suit. So, are you saying that all of you did not join in June of 2003 and had less than 20 posts each? hmmmmmmm
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
Good Going Seek
Ha I have so much "SOCKED AWAY" that I had to buy more web space.
The verbal assault/slander file from here is extremely interesting.
Oh and one more thing. My files are so damn big, from WAY back and encompass several sites, and I did not need any additional space. You must have a small hard drive. Trying to compensate somehow?
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
Hey Seek,
I can only speak for my self Hon and I believe the date I joined is
shown in plain view for all to see.
OH..so I see. I did read it right. Ok. So, if you are worried bout slander, are you telling us that you are Jonathan Todd? Is that what you are saying? I don't think anyone here knows you or has done anything to you, so How U Doin JT?
SaraRhiannon
09-04-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by seeknpeace
Oh and one more thing. My files are so damn big, from WAY back and encompass several sites, and I did not need any additional space. You must have a small hard drive. Trying to compensate somehow?
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg
Gypsy
09-04-2003, 10:42 PM
Been away for a while, come back and... de can is open and de worms is a-crawlin' all over de place! Whew!
So, to educate the uninformed...
A. How do we know 'Pix' is 'Trin'?
B. If Pix is Trin, why is he posting here all of a sudden?
C. Is the Mick message board gone?
D. What the heck is going on with ousting JT?
E. What the heck is going on with fan club refunds?
Thanks for the info.
Love & Light (man, this place needs it!)
Gypsy
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg
Damn, you my GIRL. hahaha. TY for bringing a good memory to me...That one got worn OUT over there. haha.. I liked it when you made it a marquee.
Smokin Joe
09-04-2003, 10:43 PM
I see tunnel vision has become a real peoblem in this area. There is more going on in the concert/fan world than your war with the FM fan club. But, don't come here and have an opinion about anything. People are so paranoid here that anyone that isn't in the "IN" crowd is an enemy. And you know what? It doesn't matter. Tomorrow I will get up and have the same type of coffee and drive the same way to work and do the same things I did today when ever i feel like. You won't or can't change that, and, you sure as hell won't change me.
gldstwmn
09-04-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg
Sara, I love you!
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by Gypsy
Been away for a while, come back and... de can is open and de worms is a-crawlin' all over de place! Whew!
So, to educate the uninformed...
A. How do we know 'Pix' is 'Trin'?
B. If Pix is Trin, why is he posting here all of a sudden?
C. Is the Mick message board gone?
D. What the heck is going on with ousting JT?
E. What the heck is going on with fan club refunds?
Thanks for the info.
Love & Light (man, this place needs it!)
Gypsy
Hey, ok here is how. He has signed many of his posts with his name, so that is how we have known from the beginning. I don't think that he is ashamed of it or has kept it secret.
Why is he posting here? Good question. No, far as I know it is not gone yet. It is not active and a grave yard, but, not gone.
Damn I wish that I could answer that number d. So frustrating. I cannot. I can tell you that 480 ppl agree with JT needing to be gone and ppl sign the petition everyday. New fan club members find it eveyday and sign.
The refunds? I don't know if they will be forthcoming or not in the near future, but, if they aren't I am hopeful that something may be done for the fans. Not sure on that one though.
Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.
I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.
I am accusing you because that is what has gone on and still goes on over on that site. I think that TSK TSK TSK thread is still there, it was disgusting the way MissyRen was treated by that person over and over again and you did nothing to stop it, nothing! WHY? The double standard is that so many were thrown out for saying far less (and I don't need to hear who you threw out and who you didn't throw out). YOU saw so much of that attacking going on to people who had legitimate complaints and a right to be upset. This happened AFTER we were all thrown out and you did nothing to stop it. You can hardly compare the double standard over at your site the same as what happened h to you here. You have an avenue to complain here and could have used it but didn't, again that was your choice.
Where were we supposed to take our complaints about Jonathan Todd's actions and the way that site and the fanclub were being run. When we were banned from posting and from viewing the site, where should we have complained and where were you?
Where were you trying to help people here months ago during the presales when they couldn't get an answer from the club and weren't allowed on that site? Let's not forget that people actually paid money to be treated that badly.
Do you think there was a double standard when you made your comment about the LACK OF CIVILITY while we're watching your chosen members bash anyone who had a complaint and you sit by and leave the posts and don't ban the posters. You didn't have a problem leaving the nasty posts from the chosen bashers over there. Maybe it was to send a messsage to others who wanted to complain.
You joined the fanclub when we all did, you know darn well there was NO AGREEEMENT for you to view and accept. You KNOW that Jonathan Todd inserted that later and claimed it was there all along. He then went about changing it and revising it several times. Who should we have complained to about that after we were thrown out? Where were you saying this is wrong and I won't stand for it?
You want to talk double standards, you seem to have one set of standards when it comes to defending Jonathan Todd and condoning what he does and another that the rest of us should
live up to.
You wanted to start this dialogue, here it is. Answer the tough questions.
EDITED: It seems the TSK TSK TSK thread and many others have been deleted, isn't this shocking!!
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The Tower
09-04-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Gypsy
So, to educate the uninformed...
A. How do we know 'Pix' is 'Trin'?
B. If Pix is Trin, why is he posting here all of a sudden?
C. Is the Mick message board gone?
D. What the heck is going on with ousting JT?
E. What the heck is going on with fan club refunds?
Thanks for the info.
Love & Light (man, this place needs it!)
Gypsy
I would love detailed answers to these questions, as well! After all this stink started up, I decided to go back to the FM.com site and see what wuz there- but there ain't nothin' there!! No BBS, no forum, no nothin'. It's all flash, but there's no content (not that there ever was that much to begin with).
Questions "A" & "B" aren't really an issue with me, but I'd love to know about "C" & "D".
Gypsy
09-04-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by seeknpeace
Hey, ok here is how. He has signed many of his posts with his name, so that is how we have known from the beginning. I don't think that he is ashamed of it or has kept it secret.
Why is he posting here? Good question. No, far as I know it is not gone yet. It is not active and a grave yard, but, not gone.
Damn I wish that I could answer that number d. So frustrating. I cannot. I can tell you that 480 ppl agree with JT needing to be gone and ppl sign the petition everyday. New fan club members find it eveyday and sign.
The refunds? I don't know if they will be forthcoming or not in the near future, but, if they aren't I am hopeful that something may be done for the fans. Not sure on that one though.
Thank You, Seek.
And thank you for all your hard work in standing up for FM fans.
Gypsy
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
I see tunnel vision has become a real peoblem in this area. There is more going on in the concert/fan world than your war with the FM fan club. But, don't come here and have an opinion about anything. People are so paranoid here that anyone that isn't in the "IN" crowd is an enemy. And you know what? It doesn't matter. Tomorrow I will get up and have the same type of coffee and drive the same way to work and do the same things I did today when ever i feel like. You won't or can't change that, and, you sure as hell won't change me.
And you know what Joe? No one wants to. I am ok with a differing opinion, it is just that a lot of damage was done to the community by Pix and that crew. A lot of hurt and disappointment and it is not over and not forgotten. It settles hard when anyone wants to defend it or comdemn us for being upset for what was done to us individually and as a community. that is the whole of it.
No, don't change, and you are right about your coffee, and your life. This is an aside. But, it is still important to those that were hurt, offended and feel robbed to boot. Imagine now, if you have said how you feel and done what you felt you needed to on this board and you tried to sign on tomorrow and found out you were banned. NO one emailed you or told you or anything, just cut you off with no explanation, just the same blanket explanation for everyone banned. And, I can promise you that you will never, hopefully, ever find another board that has banned so many ppl so quickly for expressing their feelings and having unanswered questions anywhere. That is what Pix represents to us.
The Tower
09-04-2003, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
I see tunnel vision has become a real peoblem in this area. There is more going on in the concert/fan world than your war with the FM fan club. But, don't come here and have an opinion about anything. People are so paranoid here that anyone that isn't in the "IN" crowd is an enemy. And you know what? It doesn't matter. Tomorrow I will get up and have the same type of coffee and drive the same way to work and do the same things I did today when ever i feel like. You won't or can't change that, and, you sure as hell won't change me.
Well, I'm not paranoid and I'm certainly not a member of "The Ledgie 'IN' crowd" ....
I just trying to do some archaeology on how I lost $400.00. (I would put the "laughy" smilie here, but it's not that funny, is it?).
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
hmmm
You know seek I have had several attacks on my computer of late and given your outrageous behavior towards me and those from others here, I am not so sure those attacks havent come from this site.
Of course I don't know where they originated from but I am planning on having it investigated so if you aren't meaning to sound malicious towards me I just thought I would be nice and give you the heads up on that and to go easy on mention of my computer.
After all this is just debate I wouldn't want it to get really nasty.
::Falls on the floor laughing::
Honey, I would not know how to begin to mess with anyones computer. hahahahahaha.. that is not my field. I do not make websites nor am I a computer guru, so you have nothing to fear from me. Also, I have NOTHING to do with this site, so whatever you have on this site cannot be affected by this site. If you make that allegation, you are not accusing me but, someone who will not take this nicely.
And as for having it looked into? Good luck. I wish NO one to have done to their computer what was done to mine and my friends. And, there are just not a lot of efforts made by any of the agencies out there to work with it. Trust me, save yourself some time. I know.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by The Tower
I would love detailed answers to these questions, as well! After all this stink started up, I decided to go back to the FM.com site and see what wuz there- but there ain't nothin' there!! No BBS, no forum, no nothin'. It's all flash, but there's no content (not that there ever was that much to begin with).
Questions "A" & "B" aren't really an issue with me, but I'd love to know about "C" & "D".
Hi Tower, the problems occured on the www.mickfleetwood.com site, not the FM one. We were promised a board on the FM one, but, never got one. Like so many other things. Also, you won't find a lot on Micks site as Jonathan Todd deleted all of it. He banned a ton of ppl and took all the threads down so that it was not readable and he would not have to prove why he banned us. It was basically for asking him questions that he wouldnot answer and then getting upset at him not answering and a lot of bitterness ensuing. Bad scene all the way around. And, the two admins, Trinity and Jackie, who are volunteer admins, contiunued the bannings and scoldings and so forth when JT went basically underground or away.
seeknpeace
09-04-2003, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by The Tower
Well, I'm not paranoid and I'm certainly not a member of "The Ledgie 'IN' crowd" ....
I just trying to do some archaeology on how I lost $400.00. (I would put the "laughy" smilie here, but it's not that funny, is it?).
No, and to some it was tragic and heart breaking. We really aren't the In Crowd, we are the out crowd, I think. At least that is what we were told when we were banned and forbidden to read or respond to the things happening on the only site or board that the fan club ever made available to us.
But, just the same, welcome to the Ledge. It is really a great place to be and to be free.
David
09-04-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Thanks for the words, but now they will accuse you of being someone from Mick's board. Actually, I'm the head moderator over at Mick's board, & I'm very happy to meet you!
David
09-05-2003, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.
I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins. I'm in like Flynn with several of the admins here, so I can say just about whatever I want.
Knowing that one has such freedom really is an effective picker-upper in the morning!
gldstwmn
09-05-2003, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Pix
Not true at all... Beware of giving any info to them. I hadn't even started a petition, and they come off like I'm in league with the Devil and I must have some other grand design on getting peoples names and/or phone numbers. All I said was that we need to team up then they say "BEWARE" He really has anterior motives.
That was a clear statement that I was involved in some type of conspiracy to gather names and addresses, and nothing was even done.
The word beware was never used in any post on this thread.
Gypsy-Rhiannon
09-05-2003, 06:09 AM
I've tried to avoid posting on this thread and I really don't want to get into a huge argument. Most people who have followed the whole Todd issue knows my feelings on the matter and about my dealings with him. Fan club aside I feel myself and the other members of Fireflies UK were treated like **** by that man and he was caught out in a lie and then tried to bribe his way out of it. When this happened I made a choice not to have anything to do with his board and ceased posting over there. I have never slagged off the board admistrators (apart from Todd) as my beef is with him. There have been times, though, where I have felt that people have dis-believed my claims or simply do not care how I've been treated by that man. Anyone who knows me well knows that I am fiercely loyal to my friends and if someone takes on a friend they take on me as well. I guess I assume people would do the same for me but this whole mess has shown this isn't always the case.
As I said I have not got into a slanging match with the other board admins and I never will but I can understand the strong feelings that are being shown in this thread. People feel cheated and quite rightly so and it does seem questionable that Pix would want to get into all this by choosing to post over here when there are plenty of other places to do so.
Pip
gypsysara
09-05-2003, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Pix
We were not talking about the other board here. We were talking about being civil on this board. I haven’t posted any pictures that are under any ones copyright. The Club does not employ me, and I don’t get paid, nor did I “rip anyone off.”
Who told you that they saw what you were doing here and they banned you? That is another lie. Nobody was ever banned for what they said on another board. There were many times when I told people not to start an us/them toward this board. All you that read there know this to be true. I never banned anyone unless they were nasty and defamatory.
I deleted a thread here a couple of months ago because people decided to make it into and argument when I posted about times that a FM broadcast would be aired. It had nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Just as this thread has changed from me telling you guys about TM… into people using it to attack me.
Just because you, “feel” I’m a liar doesn’t make me one, and you can show me nothing that proves that I lie because there is no such case.
You mean I cant "prove" you lie & lied? Well you must not know what your boss JT and the other co-Admin GoldDustWoman do then. Boy are you dense or what? That's like the folks at Enron not "knowing" what was going on. I find it hard to believe that you would not know your other Admins on your board were banning people. I say "others" because you claim and feign no clue as to what we are talking about. And of course, since I was banned, there is no way for me to go back and prove that. I am no sysop at your board nor do I have computer expertise.
I was banned from mickfleetwood.com because i simply pointed out one of the administrators (Gold Dust Woman) was breaking mickfleetwood.com's own rules. So i got kicked out for doing that. that is f*cked up. its even more fu*cked up that youd lie about it. I know there were many others aside of me who were banned. My username over there was GYPSYSARA Pix, Im sure if you can look into the history you may be able to get to the bottom of the mystery as to who banned me and why.
Between all this utter crap and my personal stuff this is all wheyyy too much.
dissention
09-05-2003, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Check out this BS... We need to all get together on this one. Lets get a petition going and see if we can make them think twice.
I have a killer response for ya, Trin, but it's unfortunate that you can't see my finger.
:rolleyes:
dissention
09-05-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg
SARA! Such fond memories!!! You knew *exactly* the right time to post one of those suckers; they truly were the ray of light on Mick's board! Could you post another of your classic for posterity???
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
gypsysara
09-05-2003, 05:51 PM
With no offense to our gracious and awesome host... somedays I wish I could set up my own 'ledge (tho it wouldnt be nearly as cool). Today is one of them days.
glitter_fades
09-05-2003, 06:17 PM
QUOTE]Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
...
As I said I have not got into a slanging match with the other board admins and I never will but I can understand the strong feelings that are being shown in this thread. People feel cheated and quite rightly so and it does seem questionable that Pix would want to get into all this by choosing to post over here when there are plenty of other places to do so.
Pip [/QUOTE]
I find it questionable as well. I think it's called muddying the waters...trying to rewrite history. Bait and flame. Make things appear to be what they are not in the eyes of anyone trying to make sense of this whole thing. The timing is questionable as well. It seems the heat is on now. The tour is winding down. Perhaps it's becoming clear that some fans made a mistake getting cozy with JT ? Who says JT has closer ties to the band than some of the people he burned?
The time for minions to wake up and smell the coffee was around 9am--back when the boss was telling people in private phone calls that he gave you things you now deny receiving. It's almost midnight now and I just wonder...where was your ire then? You shot down the messenger who revealed this information to the fan community, but not the message your boss was sending. Why weren't you worried THEN about people perceiving you as a minion of JT? NOW you want to help fans at this board get a petition against Ticketmaster? Would that be the same kind of petition the band has seen in regards to the fan club fiasco?
No, I don't think you wanted any part of that one. Not when you thought being in JT's corner would get you somewhere. Please understand why some people don't want any part of your last minute crusade against the meanies taking advantage of the fans.
Thanks for bringing us the message, though. I won't shoot you for being the messenger. Just don't get all defensive about some people having a negative attitude against you. Afterall, for the mass bannings and unnecessary weilding of power you enjoyed for so long as administrator of Mick's board...it's a bit shallow of you, Pix...don't you think? For all you've done and failed to do in creating such a sad state of affairs in the FM fan community, your "woe is me" posture is naturally going to encite a negative reaction. Was that your intention?
I'm trying to be as diplomatic about this as possible so not to fan the flames unreasonably, but I have to take issue with you, Pix, when you state emphatically that you haven't lied about anything. I won't be so rude as to flat-out call you a liar. Yet, I agree with those who remember that you DID ban people and delete posts at Mick's board without explanation. I agree that this was ONLY done to fans who were not supportive of JT and the fan club, while other posters who wrote glowing messages of support for him but also wrote nasty personal attacks against non supportive fans were allowed to continue posting without being banned or deleted. I know this becasue I was on both sides of the situation.
When all hell broke loose on Mick's board the day of the first pre-sale, I posted a lot of mean-spirited messages about how people deserved to get ripped off because they didn't listen to the warnings posted about the fan club. I even posted profanity against one poor person who thought I was rubbing it in that so many people got taken. I saved those posts and reply messages for my own peace of mind becasue I did not really mean what I was saying. I wanted to see what was going to happen if I stood with JT on the day so many were up in arms against him. As I recall, I was not deleted or banned for saying a lot of nasty stuff on that day.
Curiously, the next day, I started a poll on Mick's board asking for pro and con opinions about the fan club and the first presale. When it was clear fans at Mick's board were overwhelmingly against the way the fan club and pre-sale had been handled (60 unhappy, 2 happy, 2 others not happy but willing to wait and see), I was immediately banned for saying something was wrong with the pre-sale and my poll was deleted. I haven't been back there since, but I assume no administrator ever explained why the poll was deleted. Care to explain now?
The bottom line is this:
You weren't supporting the fan community when you banned and deleted many of the 60 fans who voted NO, NOT HAPPY, in regards to the fan club fiasco conducted through Mick's board. Now you want us to get on board with you becasue the target of the backlash is Ticketmaster not JT.? Do I have that right?
Please explain why I should join you. Maybe I will.
I'll try to keep in mind that this is the Ledge, not Mick's chat. Everyone's opinions are welcome, whether you agree or not...that includes your opinions, whether I agree or not. I can live with that. Can you?
gypsysara
09-05-2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by glitter_fades
I'll try to keep in mind that this is the Ledge, not Mick's chat. Everyone's opinions are welcome, whether you agree or not...that includes your opinions, whether I agree or not. I can live with that. Can you?
Its a shame we have to live with that, when they (being JT, Pix and GoldDustWoman) so freely and easily banned us -- yet they can freely and easily come in here any time of day. But such is life I guess.
SaraRhiannon
09-05-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by dissention
SARA! Such fond memories!!! You knew *exactly* the right time to post one of those suckers; they truly were the ray of light on Mick's board! Could you post another of your classic for posterity???
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Aw, I'm so glad that there are others who share my corny sense of humor ;) How about this one? It's dedicated to all of my fellow Banned Mates. You're in good company! :laugh:
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg
thanks for the slide show....now where's Judy:)
C
SaraRhiannon
09-05-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Cour
thanks for the slide show....now where's Judy:)
C
GASP!!! I completely forgot about that one!
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/ohmy.jpg
teedee
09-05-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Oh ya... I just came over and went off for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with a few calling me names and accusing me of lies, and being gay... sucking male organs, kissing ass, being a minion, selling out, etc. I'm not the one who needs to work on being civil. I would quote the guy that said some of this stuff, but the post has vanished.
You can accuse me of not being civil, but anyone who has read the garbage a few people throw my direction knows that I have taken that crap for all to long and not said a word. Hell, I've been accused of being in league with Satan. I have always been civil when I came here, but I'm not going to take **** without responding to it anymore.
The quote about "discussing it" was in direct response to someone telling me I perform oral sex on men. (Paraphrase) That post has now been removed. I should have quoted it so he couldn't remove it, but I didn't think you guys did that here...
Don't tell me I'm not the one being civil. I have been civil and been attacked anyway. If people want to attack me now, the can expect it in return. If they leave me alone I will do the same. If not then we can continue like this.
if this behavior is not accepted at the mf board, why would you behave this way yourself? Dont you know better? you have hit the ban button on many of us.and you cant seem to understand why any info or suggestion from you would cause us to raise an eyebrow. you said your being attacked? look even when we were on your board, it was the last web site/board to have the latest info. we all here have connection and find out thing way before you even post them on your mf board, why would we need you to come here to inform us, i dont mean that rudely, but even if you were or were not attack here, you must be able to at least know that anything you suggest to us HERE would not be accepted with out hesitation for you are the one who banned us from your site, you stated you dont like some of us , fine, and if there are some here who do like you , im sure if they like you they will go over to your board to hear what you have to say there , so there really is no need for you to come here ,of course tho it seems as tho you are coming here to vent, and venting isnt allowed on your board, but of course we will not ban you here, and if you just cant understand why ppl here will react to what you say in the manner they do well than that s your problem....its simple, there is a lack of trust , because when we complained to you or spoke are minds you didnt help us you banned us..thats why we dont see you as an informant to us....and really you are just making yourself look worse now by doing so , than during the whole fiasco with the club, cant you see that. banning me from your board was the best thing to happen to me,, cause my ledgies here are the best folks around.....i think seek said it best lets not reply to his posts, i know i did here , but i just want ed to thank trinity for banning me, . all i can say is it must be pretty damn boring over on that other board if the admins have to come over here ...wonder if JT knows about it, hell it was probably his idea,
teedee
09-05-2003, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Pix
I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.
why would we combined forces with ppl we dont trust and ppl who treated us the way they did and never made good? then banned us.. maybe youre realizing the ledge has ppl who stick together and have some kind of unity. that you lack over at your board, your board is the one who created the division..why would you expect us to feel differently towards you now? your club has not fixed their wrong doings towards us, but yet you expect us to join forces with you in big numbers.....
sorry couldnt resist posting ,,, ok no more replies to trinity
teedee
09-05-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.
I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.
trin the reason it seems to be going on here is simply cause of your post, that here we can respond with how we feel about something freely..you continue to reply so ppl continue to post. seriously can i ask you something, why would you honestly feel this enviorment would have open arms to you. we do accept everyone, but as long as you are an admin, cant you see why ppl feel they way they do.... hard feelings , yes there are, you dont wrong ppl with out fixing it , and expect them to welcome you without hesitation. as for you banning me, you told me i always tell a person when i bann them,, not so.the other question i have is why would you continue to come here? ok you want to defend your self , you know there is nothing you can say that will change ppls minds ... why do you go start a happy thread on your site , you may feel better, really i mean it .
teedee
09-05-2003, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Pix
What I was talking about as you accusing me of letting people say whatever the want... basically attacking users that they don't agree with. Which is exactly what has gone on here. Not as bad on this thread as some others, but it’s still here.
I have warned several users about going after others, and even if nobody wants to admit it they know it's true. Nobody goes after others now... I have stated many times that this is the job of the admins.
trin the reason it seems to be going on here is simply cause of your post, that here we can respond with how we feel about something freely..you continue to reply so ppl continue to post. seriously can i ask you something, why would you honestly feel this enviorment would have open arms to you. we do accept everyone, but as long as you are an admin, cant you see why ppl feel they way they do.... hard feelings , yes there are, you dont wrong ppl with out fixing it , and expect them to welcome you without hesitation. as for you banning me, you told me i always tell a person when i bann them,, not so.the other question i have is why would you continue to come here? ok you want to defend your self , you know there is nothing you can say that will change ppls minds ... why DONT you go start a happy thread on your site , you may feel better, really i mean it .
highpriestess53
09-06-2003, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by gldstwmn
How about the Justice Department? They went after Bill Gates, Clear Channel and a whole list of others. Ticketmaster's turn will inevitably come. Like gypsysara said, the bands have already started suing them.
That is interesting Clear Channel are promoting the FM concerts in the UK.....should we be worried?
teedee
09-06-2003, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Pix
You’re right... I don't expect anyone to kiss up to me, but I don't expect them to say I suck #^#@ either, and if I get a bit testy because someone says stuff like that then I guess it is a double standard. You just ignore all the stuff that was said about me (or agree with it) then say well shame on him for saying **** when someone called him a XXXXXX.
Talk about being selective on what is tolerated.
Go read the other thread Cour... and the hundred that a few have used to slam me for months... Oh, but that is all right, because that was your view too. It's the same as the crap you accuse me of.
what would you expect people here to think of you or say to you. your a man who stood behind what JT did to us, you contributed in your own way by banning us, you collected your perks and enjoyed front row tix at shows. i dont care if you paid for them with your hard earn money or not, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO US. In other words you got them, we were promised them or at least the best front rows and WE DIDNT GET THEM, you accepted your perks and did your dirty work to earn them. so if ppl say your kissing *ss or *ucking *ick, i know it isnt a nice thing to say about someone, but its a natural reaction because your defending someone who has cheated and screwed us, and your still involved with him and your coming here expecting us to accept you. it only leads ppl to believe that you are getting some kick backs / perks , because why would any decent human being stand behind him. and as far as being selective, what was done on your board, to us, doesnt even compare to whats happening to you right here. the difference is, you feel attacked by ppl here who have no use for you here.YET you choose to stay, thats your problem. see on your board , you as an admin, were suppose to help us, not bann us, but your head was so far up someones but you couldnt have cared less about us, AND IT SHOWED. you expect us to be banned here for reacting to your posts negatively, sorry wrong board. you must have some kind of brain damage to think that we would ever have any trust in you. wow what a nice guy telling us front row was a vailable, it was a nice gesture, but dont you think people saw right thru what you were trying to do and how you were trying to do it, like you were now helping us, to little to late, i only hope the fans here did scoop those tix, even tho we were the ones who were suppose to get those kindof tix in the first place..
teedee
09-06-2003, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by teedee
trin the reason it seems to be going on here is simply cause of your post, that here we can respond with how we feel about something freely..you continue to reply so ppl continue to post. seriously can i ask you something, why would you honestly feel this enviorment would have open arms to you. we do accept everyone, but as long as you are an admin, cant you see why ppl feel they way they do.... hard feelings , yes there are, you dont wrong ppl with out fixing it , and expect them to welcome you without hesitation. as for you banning me, you told me i always tell a person when i bann them,, not so.the other question i have is why would you continue to come here? ok you want to defend your self , you know there is nothing you can say that will change ppls minds ... why do you go start a happy thread on your site , you may feel better, really i mean it .
on your board, you banned ppl who were against the fan club, but let all the ppl who were for the fanclub stay and blast away at us, then we were gone and they got to stay... here ppl yes are reacting to you negatively, with much reason, you have had some newcomers here defend you, but the difference here is even if we question their actions, they are still here. so this board lets everyone say what THEY WANT AND LETS THEM STAY , YOUR BOARD = when they dont like a post that disagrees with the likes of the fanclub, they are banned!!!!! big difference trin, cant you see that,
reebokandlace
09-06-2003, 08:23 AM
I have been reading this post and the thing I am trying to figure out is why is TRINITY even on this board posting?
I know all FM fans have a "right" to post here, but why would he come to our board where he knows he is not welcome.
I can only guess he is trying to bring the FM community together on this ticketmaster issue, and trying to inform people who have left his board, I mean Mick's board, (which is just about everyone in the FM community...LOL). Isn't that ironic? He is asking us to band together on this ticketmaster issue, but BANNED us from that board when we all felt wronged by the JT/Fan club ticket fiasco and tried to speak up about it.
I just don't understand why he is here. Is it because his board is basically dead?
Has Trinity ever apologized for not helping us? Has he hung up his hat as ADMIN over there and seeking repentance? If he has that would be a different story. (A little late, but still...)
Can someone enlighten me?
REEBOK&LACE
ShamHy89
09-06-2003, 08:32 AM
You are certainly not alone in your quest for enlightenment. I was gone for a few hours and suddenly there's suddenly 7 pages of quarelling. I am really ignorant on the subject...plus I don't feel like reading all the pages.
Shamus:)
dissention
09-06-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
Aw, I'm so glad that there are others who share my corny sense of humor ;) How about this one? It's dedicated to all of my fellow Banned Mates. You're in good company! :laugh:
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg
LMAO! That was my favorite one!! :laugh:
Such fond memories from over there! I remember you had "Rotten Apple" underneath your avatar...:laugh: And then when JT linked to your mp3 of Say You Will (!!)... gldstwmn was banned for saying Dick Van Dyke... I was destarred after writing a limerick about JTs shady business dealings and using it for my signature... glitter and seeknpeace had their computers and IP addys messed with...
Ah, good times... :laugh: :laugh:
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by dissention
LMAO! That was my favorite one!! :laugh:
Such fond memories from over there! I remember you had "Rotten Apple" underneath your avatar...:laugh: And then when JT linked to your mp3 of Say You Will (!!)... gldstwmn was banned for saying Dick Van Dyke... I was destarred after writing a limerick about JTs shady business dealings and using it for my signature... glitter and seeknpeace had their computers and IP addys messed with...
Ah, good times... :laugh: :laugh:
Sniff...such good memories. But, one thing that I can say is that I met all you real fans and fighters for what is right through all that mess and I really value that a lot. I always hope to know you and I will try to never miss an opp to meet you. Sarah, put superstar up. That one was my fav. I cannot figure out how to put a pic in the body of a response.
:distress:
gldstwmn
09-06-2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by highpriestess53
That is interesting Clear Channel are promoting the FM concerts in the UK.....should we be worried?
I'm not sure how the European Division of CC is run. I think the European leg of the tour has been promoted in a far better manner than it has here. Over here, CC is known for their frat boy antics, deep pockets and political contributions. On the other hand, I know some very decent, loyal folks who work for CC. Judging by how things have gone so far (in Europe), I think you all will be okay.
glitter_fades
09-06-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by reebokandlace
I have been reading this post and the thing I am trying to figure out is why is TRINITY even on this board posting?
I know all FM fans have a "right" to post here, but why would he come to our board where he knows he is not welcome.
I can only guess he is trying to bring the FM community together on this ticketmaster issue, and trying to inform people who have left his board, I mean Mick's board, (which is just about everyone in the FM community...LOL). Isn't that ironic? He is asking us to band together on this ticketmaster issue, but BANNED us from that board when we all felt wronged by the JT/Fan club ticket fiasco and tried to speak up about it.
I just don't understand why he is here. Is it because his board is basically dead?
Has Trinity ever apologized for not helping us? Has he hung up his hat as ADMIN over there and seeking repentance? If he has that would be a different story. (A little late, but still...)
Can someone enlighten me?
REEBOK&LACE
I feel the same way. I'd be willing to get together if any of the minions over there admitted they were wrong. Why anyone would want to be a "volunteer" admin for someone who lied about them...it's beyond me. What have the minions really accomplished besides creating upset among fellow fans?
Can you tell me, was it worth it? Really, I don't want to know.
glitter_fades
09-06-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Destiny
hmmm
You know seek I have had several attacks on my computer of late and given your outrageous behavior towards me and those from others here, I am not so sure those attacks havent come from this site.
Of course I don't know where they originated from but I am planning on having it investigated so if you aren't meaning to sound malicious towards me I just thought I would be nice and give you the heads up on that and to go easy on mention of my computer.
After all this is just debate I wouldn't want it to get really nasty.
Why bring this up? Someone's showing their ass here.
Fans who've been hacked are not computer experts and DON'T have access to system resources on this web server...unlike others that have such access to resources at another web server, and also have our personal info necessary to hack into personal computers. Fans also don't have personal information on each other, like certain others who run another web site...which shall remain namless.
You're exposing your hand here, but I guess you know that.
teedee
09-06-2003, 06:55 PM
I could show where I paid for every front row, which I won’t, but even if I did you would scream that I was reimbursed. I suppose they gave me the tickets that I gave
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the simple fact that you have gotten front row more than once and even had to pay for them (poor you) and you are an admin, who received perks, then has the nerve to ban us when we complain that the club didnt do right by its members. poor you stuck between a rock and a hard place. more like a rock and a but hole,
accept the perks or be a man, accept the perks or be a real man,
we all know what you have chosen,
now you want us to accept you in any way shape or form.. look if anyone cares to hear your information they know its best to read it on your board. cause isnt that where all your members go.....oh and have a great time at the chicago show.
i would rather sit in the nosebleed section with a crowd of ten thousand screaming fans, than sit next to any of you admins in the front row.
I bought the tickets (front row)from a broker. The fact is you guys just make stuff up and spout it as if it were fact. I have not got one front row at any time through the Club. Either through a presale or any other means. Is this clear enough? I have said this in the past, but you guys just make up one lie after another.
Originally posted by glitter_fades
Why bring this up? Someone's showing their ass here.
Fans who've been hacked are not computer experts and DON'T have access to system resources on this web server...unlike others that have such access to resources at another web server, and also have our personal info necessary to hack into personal computers. Fans also don't have personal information on each other, like certain others who run another web site...which shall remain namless.
You're exposing your hand here, but I guess you know that.
Sorry, but this stuff is ludicrous... If something did happen to your computer (and your not just making this all up) it was nobody from the board that did it. Again you come up with lies and post them as reality. It might be reality in your world, but that doesn't make it so in the real one.
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Pix
I bought the tickets (front row)from a broker. The fact is you guys just make stuff up and spout it as if it were fact. I have not got one front row at any time through the Club. Either through a presale or any other means. Is this clear enough? I have said this in the past, but you guys just make up one lie after another.
Hey, I know THATS right. Cause, there weren't but maybe one or two per venue, then skipped right to row 19 it seems. Fan Club SUCKS.
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Sorry, but this stuff is ludicrous... If something did happen to your computer (and your not just making this all up) it was nobody from the board that did it. Again you come up with lies and post them as reality. It might be reality in your world, but that doesn't make it so in the real one.
WELL I can tell you, Mr. Know IT All, that my damn computer went down the minute that I was banned. I could not sign onto the internet, lost files and ended up having to reformat my entire hard drive. So, you can call me a liar if you want to, but, I lived through that crap. And, it happened the second that your fearless leader banned me and he had my IP addy and all my info. THAT IS REALITY. Put that in your pipe and smoke, stroke or whatever makes you get through the night.
So what now I didn't get front row tickets as perks? Hey lets accept that now and move back to nobody ever got a good seat from the Club.
Originally posted by seeknpeace
WELL I can tell you, Mr. Know IT All, that my damn computer went down the minute that I was banned. I could not sign onto the internet, lost files and ended up having to reformat my entire hard drive. So, you can call me a liar if you want to, but, I lived through that crap. And, it happened the second that your fearless leader banned me and he had my IP addy and all my info. THAT IS REALITY. Put that in your pipe and smoke, stroke or whatever makes you get through the night.
Rubbish... There was never anyone from the Club that attempted or hacked anyones computer. The allegations are completely false. If something did happen to your computer it had nothing to do with the Club, and I'm through letting you make fault accusations.
Again you make an accusation that is unsubstantiated then accuse the Club or hacking your computer. You speak it as if it were fact, which makes it a lie, so if you get all bent out of shape that I question your motives...Sorry.
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Rubbish... There was never anyone from the Club that attempted or hacked anyones computer. The allegations are completely false. If something did happen to your computer it had nothing to do with the Club, and I'm through letting you make fault accusations.
Again you make an accusation that is unsubstantiated then accuse the Club or hacking your computer. You speak it as if it were fact, which makes it a lie, so if you get all bent out of shape that I question your motives...Sorry.
I never said that the club did it, I said that it happened the moment that I was banned from Micks site, period end of discussion. And, do you think that I give two ****s for what you think or believe? You who cow tows and scrapes and bows to JT? Get real. You hang in the wrong crowd dude. Dreamer.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Pix
So what now I didn't get front row tickets as perks? Hey lets accept that now and move back to nobody ever got a good seat from the Club.
I don't know how you got them, and that is between you and the mirror that you look in every morning. But, you joined hands with someone who has proven themselves to be dishonorable and so, hey, like I said, you lay down with dogs...
WindingRoad
09-06-2003, 08:15 PM
Oh somebody please lock this thread.....:rolleyes:
I feel like a sleazy voyeur who is watching a fist fight at the playground and not doing anything to stop the fight. Yet I keep watching.....:distress:
I am extremely disappointed in myself. :shocked:
Marty, where are your keys!!!!
susieq :wavey:
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by WindingRoad
Oh somebody please lock this thread.....:rolleyes:
I feel like a sleazy voyeur who is watching a fist fight at the playground and not doing anything to stop the fight. Yet I keep watching.....:distress:
I am extremely disappointed in myself. :shocked:
Marty, where are your keys!!!!
susieq :wavey:
Sorry Susie...I will back off. This is not any fun anyway. I am not over there to do this, the other site, but, I don't like it here either. If Pix wants to keep at it, so be it. I am done. Peace out.
Originally posted by WindingRoad
Oh somebody please lock this thread.....:rolleyes:
I feel like a sleazy voyeur who is watching a fist fight at the playground and not doing anything to stop the fight. Yet I keep watching.....:distress:
I am extremely disappointed in myself. :shocked:
Marty, where are your keys!!!!
susieq :wavey:
Train wreck syndrome... Don't be to hard on youself. :laugh:
teedee
09-06-2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Pix
I bought the tickets (front row)from a broker. The fact is you guys just make stuff up and spout it as if it were fact. I have not got one front row at any time through the Club. Either through a presale or any other means. Is this clear enough? I have said this in the past, but you guys just make up one lie after another.
ok so you went to a broker, i can accept that cause i know the club had lousy seats, ok so you answered that, but why not answer why you cant understand why ppl here hesitate with caution when you try to inform us, you cant see the broken trust you bring with you > so are you not going to chicago, oh jackie let it slip that she went to a show and got reimbursed hey i cant go back and read all the archives they are deleted and i am banned. maybe i confused the situ, but shes an admin, your an admin... same difference. as far as you telling us whats real in the real world, you have been so brain washed by your boss and your perks that you r the one who cant see the truth cause you still fail to understand why we do not trust you . hey trinity i really dont care anymore what you got or didnt get, i just know what we the fan member s didnt get but were promised, can you answer why????? you know what i dont care cause its just BS like JT has been serving us all along .
teedee
09-06-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Rubbish... There was never anyone from the Club that attempted or hacked anyones computer. The allegations are completely false. If something did happen to your computer it had nothing to do with the Club, and I'm through letting you make fault accusations.
Again you make an accusation that is unsubstantiated then accuse the Club or hacking your computer. You speak it as if it were fact, which makes it a lie, so if you get all bent out of shape that I question your motives...Sorry.
Accusations, you should take some of your own advice..facts accusation, motives..look at the club , they had lots of false facts, accusations and motives... you know you started this by posting here and now you want to defend yourself , why, you cant change things unless you admit things that are true about the club and you still are an admin, you are an angry person , and please dont give the excuse we are attacking you,, you responded like a bear and expect us to be meek, and why would you continue to come back for more.
Tracy, That stuff is just not true. I personally paid for Jackie's plane ticket. I'm telling you your have no clue. You get it? I paid for both our plane tickets and was never reimbursed either.
I wasn't even asking anyone to trust me I just brought them a couple of facts about TM. There wasn't anything there that took some trust. All you had to do is follow the link. The same thing with the front row tickets post. Everything that I do is not just for you 5-7 people. I don't want you to like me... I'm not asking you to trust me either. It's not important to me that you do. I post here for the others not for the few of you who are so bitter toward me.
If you leave me alone I will do the same for you. I didn't come over here to stir anything up, but with you 5 people it didn't matter. I'm sorry it has got nasty here, and I ask Marty and the Admins here to forgive my part of it, but I really don't know how I could have avoided it other then not to have posted, but like I said I'm not posting for those of you who are so bitter toward me. Maybe I shouldn't have, but the whole board doesn't rotate around a few of the people that post here.
Please post that thread/email where Jackie said she was reimbursed, because if that was the case I sure would like to have my money back for buying her the ticket.
Originally posted by teedee
Accusations, you should take some of your own advice..facts accusation, motives..look at the club , they had lots of false facts, accusations and motives... you know you started this by posting here and now you want to defend yourself , why, you cant change things unless you admit things that are true about the club and you still are an admin, you are an angry person , and please dont give the excuse we are attacking you,, you responded like a bear and expect us to be meek, and why would you continue to come back for more.
Listen to you... I started this by posting here. Okay... I guess to post here I have to be liked by you and the other 5?
It wasn't me that has been busy calling names for the last several months. I didn't reply to all of it, but I saw it. I am not and angry person by nature, but when people resort to call me nasty names I will respond to it.
The board on a whole has not attacked me, but there are about five that have called me every name in the book... Anyone who reads here knows that to be true, so don't tell me I started this and I'm angry.
Why do I come back for more? Because I'm tired of these few who are telling lies about me and calling me names. As long as they continue to spew lies about me and call me names I will continue to post. If I have something that I think the other less hostile users would like to know about I will post that as well.
The few will not run me off, so you can continue to lie about me.
Originally posted by Pix
Tracy, That stuff is just not true. I personally paid for Jackie's plane ticket. I'm telling you your have no clue. You get it? I paid for both our plane tickets and was never reimbursed either.
I wasn't even asking anyone to trust me I just brought them a couple of facts about TM. There wasn't anything there that took some trust. All you had to do is follow the link. The same thing with the front row tickets post. Everything that I do is not just for you 5-7 people. I don't want you to like me... I'm not asking you to trust me either. It's not important to me that you do. I post here for the others not for the few of you who are so bitter toward me.
If you leave me alone I will do the same for you. I didn't come over here to stir anything up, but with you 5 people it didn't matter. I'm sorry it has got nasty here, and I ask Marty and the Admins here to forgive my part of it, but I really don't know how I could have avoided it other then not to have posted, but like I said I'm not posting for those of you who are so bitter toward me. Maybe I shouldn't have, but the whole board doesn't rotate around a few of the people that post here.
Please post that thread/email where Jackie said she was reimbursed, because if that was the case I sure would like to have my money back for buying her the ticket.
You really have been living in that fantasy world over on your board for too long. You really believe that anyone cares to go back and find Jackie's posts about paying for her tickets. I'm not even going to waste my time looking for the posts because they've been deleted. And who cares?
Do you think that Marty can't see you for what you are and can't see what you're doing now? You really need to take your head out of that sandbox you're living in with your friends over there.
Who cares who paid for your ticket or Jackie's ticket - that's the only thing you have that you can prove or defend your actions about. Fine ....you paid for Jackie's and your own ticket. BIG DEAL.
now, you want to start answering the other tough questions.
just like Jonathan Todd....answers what suits him and he can SPIN and then ignores the hard questions.
This is a NO SPIN ZONE.
GO get Jonathan Todd to help you fight TM. He has a lot of resources and thousands of names....but let's face it...that's not what this is about and everyone knows it.
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Cour
You really have been living in that fantasy world over on your board for too long. You really believe that anyone cares to go back and find Jackie's posts about paying for her tickets. I'm not even going to waste my time looking for the posts because they've been deleted. And who cares?
Do you think that Marty can't see you for what you are and can't see what you're doing now? You really need to take your head out of that sandbox you're living in with your friends over there.
Who cares who paid for your ticket or Jackie's ticket - that's the only thing you have that you can prove or defend your actions about. Fine ....you paid for Jackie's and your own ticket. BIG DEAL.
now, you want to start answering the other tough questions.
just like Jonathan Todd....answers what suits him and he can SPIN and then ignores the hard questions.
This is a NO SPIN ZONE.
GO get Jonathan Todd to help you fight TM. He has a lot of resources and thousands of names....but let's face it...that's not what this is about and everyone knows it.
Thank you. signed, one of the five, which are really 460
Originally posted by Pix
Listen to you... I started this by posting here. Okay... I guess to post here I have to be liked by you and the other 5?
It wasn't me that has been busy calling names for the last several months. I didn't reply to all of it, but I saw it. I am not and angry person by nature, but when people resort to call me nasty names I will respond to it.
The board on a whole has not attacked me, but there are about five that have called me every name in the book... Anyone who reads here knows that to be true, so don't tell me I started this and I'm angry.
Why do I come back for more? Because I'm tired of these few who are telling lies about me and calling me names. As long as they continue to spew lies about me and call me names I will continue to post. If I have something that I think the other less hostile users would like to know about I will post that as well.
The few will not run me off, so you can continue to lie about me.
All of a sudden you want to belong to the rest of the community. Isn't that special, we feel so honored that you want to join us now after you and your administration has brought so much unahppiness and ruined so much for so many. It's so touching this tale of woe that you're trying to SPIN. If everyone including Marty hadn't been reading what's been goign on over on your site for the last 8 months it might be a touching tale. Unfortunately for you, everyone has seen you in action.
You know your board is going down, so start your own board with the people who are left over on that site. You're all a cozy group who think alike now that you got rid of all of the people who lack civility. You won't need Jonathan, you and Jackie have been shallow enough to let him use you all of these months when Fleetwood Mac was paying him to do the work so you're well trained and you can run your own show.
And just for the record, I have never called you one name. Unless I'm not so luck to be included in your witch hunt. You know, we had someone else from your board here a few months ago on a witch hunt and we know where that went.
Where are the LIES about you? I keep asking you to answer the tough questions but you keep ignoring them. If they're all lies and we're all wrong, go ahead, and answer them and prove to everyone that we're all wrong.
Originally posted by Cour
You really have been living in that fantasy world over on your board for too long. You really believe that anyone cares to go back and find Jackie's posts about paying for her tickets. I'm not even going to waste my time looking for the posts because they've been deleted. And who cares?
Do you think that Marty can't see you for what you are and can't see what you're doing now? You really need to take your head out of that sandbox you're living in with your friends over there.
Who cares who paid for your ticket or Jackie's ticket - that's the only thing you have that you can prove or defend your actions about. Fine ....you paid for Jackie's and your own ticket. BIG DEAL.
now, you want to start answering the other tough questions.
just like Jonathan Todd....answers what suits him and he can SPIN and then ignores the hard questions.
This is a NO SPIN ZONE.
GO get Jonathan Todd to help you fight TM. He has a lot of resources and thousands of names....but let's face it...that's not what this is about and everyone knows it.
Cour one of you just brought this up in this thread about airfare, and it is on your petition ... So obviously they cared enough to say it. I was responding to them... not to you. I'm not defending myself I am clearing up some of the lies that have went unanswered.
There is nothing being spun here only unspun. I'm telling you how things were as far as what people have said I got for perks.
I will not speak for the Club however I can and will speak to accusations agaisnt me personally.
teedee
09-06-2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Pix
Listen to you... I started this by posting here. Okay... I guess to post here I have to be liked by you and the other 5?
It wasn't me that has been busy calling names for the last several months. I didn't reply to all of it, but I saw it. I am not and angry person by nature, but when people resort to call me nasty names I will respond to it.
The board on a whole has not attacked me, but there are about five that have called me every name in the book... Anyone who reads here knows that to be true, so don't tell me I started this and I'm angry.
Why do I come back for more? Because I'm tired of these few who are telling lies about me and calling me names. As long as they continue to spew lies about me and call me names I will continue to post. If I have something that I think the other less hostile users would like to know about I will post that as well.
The few will not run me off, so you can continue to lie about me.
how does it feel to have the ability to respond? without being banned. nice huh? you should try it on your board, look trin, what ever the only reason i responded cause when you responded about not liking us and swearin. i was shocked that you blew up on that thread so quickly , hence my anger quote, me im not bitter at you personally, its just that when i tried to even ask you a question in response to your post, you still failed to answer like you did on your board. so i just feel that nothing has changed. i know your original post to inform us of tix , was not with bad intent in general, but when someone here just stated be careful who you give your info to, you blew up , in your next post, they didnt attack you personally, by calling you this and that and so on,,,but it was your response to them that triggered this outcome , cant you see that. well look no matter what i say we will not see eye to eye. you see what you want as i will do the same, i sleep great a t night . hope you can do the same. later , this rehashing is lame, again sorry ledgies.... im done wasting my time with loong post s to him
I told you Cour I'm not here to answer to you. I only posted about something I thought the Mac community would like to know about. I also have addressed the accusations with involved me directly. I will not speak for the Club... I'm not employed by them, and won't sit here an answer 5-6 people ganging up on me to answer every question they want to put to me.
You don't like me fine. Lets just stay on the topic when it's posted and it won't have to degrade into this type of thread.
Just to recap here......
Jonathan Todd knew the identities were stolen on the first day of the first presale and did nothing about it. He let it continue throughout the first leg of the tour. When he was finally outed about it he promised to change them for the start of the second presale. He left that message on the board for one month but suddenly deleted it sometime in the 36 hours before the presale for the second leg began.
THAT DOES NOT BOTHER TRINITY
Jonathan Todd inserted an agreement onto the fanclub site and claimed it was there all along. He then kept changing it (we have records of 5 changes that were made with no notation) and insisted it was there all along. Trinity joined the first few days and knows there was NO such agreement when most people joined.
THAT DOES NOT BOTHER TRINITY
Treasured members of Mick's site continued to harass and beat up anyone who comlained about the fanclub or Mick's site and Trinity did not ban those treasured members and did not remove those posts. Bashing people who complain is okay.
THAT DOES NOT BOTHER TRINITY
Jonathan Todd has LIED and CHEATED and DIVIDED this community.
THAT DOES NOT BOTHER TRINITY
We're all wrong and they're all right. Sound familiar?
Originally posted by Pix
I told you Cour I'm not here to answer to you. I only posted about something I thought the Mac community would like to know about. I also have addressed the accusations with involved me directly. I will not speak for the Club... I'm not employed by them, and won't sit here an answer 5-6 people ganging up on me to answer every question they want to put to me.
You don't like me fine. Lets just stay on the topic when it's posted and it won't have to degrade into this type of thread.
You still don't get it. I don't care if you like me or you don't.. People on this site don't care if you like them or not. This is not the Mick Site where whether you're liked has anything to do with anything.
Okay, you posted it...now what?
The only thing you have addressed is the issue about the tickets. You can't and won't address the other issues because you can't.
You have respect for Jonathn Todd but spit on the rest of this community and now you want to join in. Again, we're all touched.
Do you have anything else you want to get a petition going about or are you just going to continue to try to prove you're right? You stated that you only came over here to help about TM. Okay, I think almost 2000 hits were made to this thread, I don't see a ground swell of support for your cause here or over on your own site. Now what?
Originally posted by teedee
how does it feel to have the ability to respond? without being banned. nice huh? you should try it on your board, look trin, what ever the only reason i responded cause when you responded about not liking us and swearin. i was shocked that you blew up on that thread so quickly , hence my anger quote, me im not bitter at you personally, its just that when i tried to even ask you a question in response to your post, you still failed to answer like you did on your board. so i just feel that nothing has changed. i know your original post to inform us of tix , was not with bad intent in general, but when someone here just stated be careful who you give your info to, you blew up , in your next post, they didnt attack you personally, by calling you this and that and so on,,,but it was your response to them that triggered this outcome , cant you see that. well look no matter what i say we will not see eye to eye. you see what you want as i will do the same, i sleep great a t night . hope you can do the same. later , this rehashing is lame, again sorry ledgies.... im done wasting my time with loong post s to him
Tracy,
You're right I was fuming over another post and could have handled that much better then I did...
My response may have had something to do with it, but take a look at the other thread Tracy. I was not the least bit hostile and was still swarmed. Thing is I could have said what a nice day and still got the same thing.
You right... you have never said anything bad about me, and I wasn't directing that to you. If you read what was posted before the person or the admin removed it you know what I was hot about, but I still should not have brought that over to another thread.
I will make an effort not to say anything hostile, and stay on topic if the others will do the same.
teedee
09-06-2003, 09:35 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pix
[B]Tracy, That stuff is just not true. I personally paid for Jackie's plane ticket. I'm telling you your have no clue. You get it? I paid for both our plane tickets and was never reimbursed either.
I wasn't even asking anyone to trust me I just brought them a couple of facts about TM. There wasn't anything there that took some trust. All you had to do is follow the link. The same thing with the front row tickets post. Everything that I do is not just for you 5-7 people. I don't want you to like me... I'm not asking you to trust me either. It's not important to me that you do. I post here for the others not for the few of you who are so bitter toward me.
trin
if you werent asking for anyones trust , why did you get so bothered when ppl expressed not trusting where there personal info would end up? you stated there wasnt antything there that took trust.
the fact that you posted i t
is what made ppl leary. i know that doesnt make you feel good, but ppl have there reasons and as long as your still associated with JT and co, thats how ppl are going to react.
Originally posted by Pix
Cour one of you just brought this up in this thread about airfare, and it is on your petition ... So obviously they cared enough to say it. I was responding to them... not to you. I'm not defending myself I am clearing up some of the lies that have went unanswered.
There is nothing being spun here only unspun. I'm telling you how things were as far as what people have said I got for perks.
I will not speak for the Club however I can and will speak to accusations agaisnt me personally.
You've got all the right SPIN answers, you've learned well and we're all really impressed.
Oh, most of us saw your post and Jackie's about paying for your own tickets, the issue remains because people don't believe it and many like me don't care. For the record, I think you did pay for the tickets, it would fit in with everything else Jonathan has done and it wouldn't surprise me that he lied to Louise in order to get her trust and not post that email.
If you haven't realized it, people have more than one issue with your actions over the last 5 months, you can't erase what you did and what you were involved in. Like I said before, you went well beyond 'helping the fans' at the expense of the rest of the community. You were also very nasty a few months ago about the lack of civiility and why YOU banned people. You may not be paid by Jonathan Todd, but you ARE a member of his staff and an administrator over on that site. You DID sit back and watch all of this and let it rip this community apart when the only thing people should've been talking about was a new CD and Tour from their favorite bad. You don't get what this is about. You didn't then and you don't now.
Originally posted by teedee
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pix
[B]Tracy, That stuff is just not true. I personally paid for Jackie's plane ticket. I'm telling you your have no clue. You get it? I paid for both our plane tickets and was never reimbursed either.
I wasn't even asking anyone to trust me I just brought them a couple of facts about TM. There wasn't anything there that took some trust. All you had to do is follow the link. The same thing with the front row tickets post. Everything that I do is not just for you 5-7 people. I don't want you to like me... I'm not asking you to trust me either. It's not important to me that you do. I post here for the others not for the few of you who are so bitter toward me.
trin
if you werent asking for anyones trust , why did you get so bothered when ppl expressed not trusting where there personal info would end up? you stated there wasnt antything there that took trust.
the fact that you posted i t
is what made ppl leary. i know that doesnt make you feel good, but ppl have there reasons and as long as your still associated with JT and co, thats how ppl are going to react.
I suggested we get a petition togather... I didn't get one going, but I see what you mean.
Yes that's how some people will always react, but they are not the majority. They are the most vocal for sure, but not the majority.
I've now spent four hours going back and forth from one thread to the other answering the same four people, and I think I could prob stay here for several days and none of us will change our minds, so I suggest we let it go and move on.
From now on I hope that we can stay on topic... I didn't come here to be deposed. :)
Cya
Originally posted by Pix
I suggested we get a petition togather... I didn't get one going, but I see what you mean.
Yes that's how some people will always react, but they are not the majority. They are the most vocal for sure, but not the majority.
Ah, but that's the way you like it over on your site, you condone that behavior there but again you find a problem with it over here. It must be that old double standard again. You can be pushed and lose your civility and it's fine, but don't let anyone else lose theirs...or ....ask a question that's not in line with the one being driven home in the HAPPY LETTERS.
But you really like the freedom of speech here because that post of yours the other day with the filthy language would've gotten anyone thrown out of your site in a heartbeat. You seem to like the minority you created over in MICK LAND, why are you so keen on joining the gang now?
Oh, you don't want to be deposed. Nah, you shouldn't have to answer or respond to anything after what you've done or what you've been a part of. The community that you threw out should throw you a party just because you blessed us by coming over. Again, we're touched you want to belong.
YOU brought this on yourself no matter how you try and spin it now.
SweetGirl
09-06-2003, 10:01 PM
So does this mean we aren't interested in the ticketmaster proposal to auction off the best seats for concerts and someone being involved in acquiring many of the best seating for all the big band concerts or is there another thread that I have missed where we are discussing that?
I'm concerned about it.
I had a lot of problems logging into ticketmaster and the seat selection has been very bad most times.
I feel like I am playing the lottery everytime I sign on to look at available seats.
I was shocked by the price of tickets for FM for this tour but after seeing the prices of other well known older bands it seemed to be the going rate for some.
I for one have never gotten front row seating. Not for lack of trying tho.
I can not compete with big $$$ for decent seats at concerts.
I am just a regular middle class working person with a family.
I am interested in finding out what the regulations are about ticket pricing.
I might be misguided but I thought it was not legal to sell concert tickets and the like for well over face value.
My local newspaper prohibits it so I guess thats where I got the idea there were rules about reselling.
I guess there is always a way around everything if you have a monopoly on a product.
seeknpeace
09-06-2003, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by SweetGirl
So does this mean we aren't interested in the ticketmaster proposal to auction off the best seats for concerts and someone being involved in acquiring many of the best seating for all the big band concerts or is there another thread that I have missed where we are discussing that?
I'm concerned about it.
I had a lot of problems logging into ticketmaster and the seat selection has been very bad most times.
I feel like I am playing the lottery everytime I sign on to look at available seats.
I was shocked by the price of tickets for FM for this tour but after seeing the prices of other well known older bands it seemed to be the going rate for some.
I for one have never gotten front row seating. Not for lack of trying tho.
I can not compete with big $$$ for decent seats at concerts.
I am just a regular middle class working person with a family.
I am interested in finding out what the regulations are about ticket pricing.
I might be misguided but I thought it was not legal to sell concert tickets and the like for well over face value.
My local newspaper prohibits it so I guess thats where I got the idea there were rules about reselling.
I guess there is always a way around everything if you have a monopoly on a product.
Yes, in a lot of states it is illegal, but, how they are getting around it is that the law says RESELL, not sell. So they are the orig sellers and set the face value. Sucks, huh? I am all against it too. I would fight with someone against it, not Trin, I am sorry, but if anyone else wants to fight this, count me in. Or, maybe I can start an action if anyone wants to join in?
glitter_fades
09-07-2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Pix
Cour one of you just brought this up in this thread about airfare, and it is on your petition ... So obviously they cared enough to say it. I was responding to them... not to you. I'm not defending myself I am clearing up some of the lies that have went unanswered.
There is nothing being spun here only unspun. I'm telling you how things were as far as what people have said I got for perks.
I will not speak for the Club however I can and will speak to accusations agaisnt me personally.
Hold on, sir. I trust you aren't trying to paint me with your spin brush...referring to a group of 5-7 people speaking out against the fan club. That's all I've ever done. I've spoken out against the fan club, period. Unlike what you said in another thread, I've also acknowledged when the club's done something right. I posted more than once on this board that the club gave me a refund on my membership. Why me and noobdy else is still puzzling, but that's JT's call I guess.
Anyway, just to set the record straight, I've never called you any nasty names or attacked you personally except to ask you to justify your attitudes and motives coming over here. I support your right to post. I don't tell you to go back to your board. I've been a lot more civilized to you than you ever were to me at your board. You never gave me a reason for banning me from your board. You haven't answered one question I've posed about anything except to take issue with my post about computer hacking. My post was a reply to someone else and not you...unless you are Destiny, too?
If not, why do you feel compelled to defend that issue and everything else people feel is wrong about the fan club and JT? You keep saying you're not defending the club and not speaking for the club. Your comments sure fooled me. How in the heck do you know whether or not anyone at the club messed with anyone's computer? Nobody said you or anyone there is directly to blame. Why are you always on the defensive? Do you really expect to clarify anything to anybody with this nonsense?
I'm sorry if you feel insulted that some people take issue with your posts, but to keep saying over and over that people are calling you filthy names doesn't make it so. I have not read any such things about you. If the person deleted the thread, why keep mentioning it yourself? I never saw it but you seem to want everyone to know about it. Why, if you are so insulted about it, do you keep bringing it up? I'll bet it was done by just one person, so why keep talking as if a gang of 5-7 people are "after" you? Is that one person even participating in this thread? Well, it wasn't me. Please stop trying to imply that everyone who disagrees with you is intentionally trying to harm you. Better yet, please come right out and name the folks you are referring to in your 5-7 group so everyone can know exactly who you're talking about. Please also include their filthy nasty posts calling you names. That way, all the nice folks here can know exactly what these bad people are saying. I'd like to know myself. Let's not be vague because we all know how that causes so much confusion. Right?
If you haven't hacked anyone, and you aren't here attacking people as part of an agenda, stop acting like it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll also stop asking you about perks if you tell us why you won't question your boss about it. He's the one who told people he commped you. Nobody's making this stuff up out of thin air and you know it. Your boss told people you were commped so be mad at him not us. If you say you weren't then that's that. If your boss doesn't set the record straight, why are you mad if people got the wrong idea becasue he said something unture?
Again, why keep defending him and the club? You have as much reason as anyone to take issue with JT. He did right by me. Does that mean I should just keep quiet? Maybe. I just want you to know I don't appreciate you acting like a martyr when you have only your boss and yourself to thank for the way things have developed.
I'm sorry for what other fans have put up with. I don't post to ruin things for others. I apologize if my posts here are taken as stirring the pot. I didn't start this thread and I'm sure when it gets too hot the original poster will delete it. I just don't understand why you expect to have it every which way, Pix, Trinity, or whoever you are. Me thinks you doth protest too much. You say these 5-7 people don't like you. Again, I trust you don't mean to include me in this group. I don't even know you. How can I not like you?
If you're right and everyone else on this board, besides the 5-7 big mouths, wants your input, I'm sure the others will shout em down. Wait. That's how it works on your board. Perhaps not here? Either way, you'll have a trail of fans rushing pdq over to your board if you're right. Nothing to worry about. Take a breath. I will too.
teedee
09-07-2003, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by teedee
how does it feel to have the ability to respond? without being banned. nice huh? you should try it on your board, look trin, what ever the only reason i responded cause when you responded about not liking us and swearin. i was shocked that you blew up on that thread so quickly , hence my anger quote, me im not bitter at you personally, its just that when i tried to even ask you a question in response to your post, you still failed to answer like you did on your board. so i just feel that nothing has changed. i know your original post to inform us of tix , was not with bad intent in general, but when someone here just stated be careful who you give your info to, you blew up , in your next post, they didnt attack you personally, by calling you this and that and so on,,,but it was your response to them that triggered this outcome , cant you see that. well look no matter what i say we will not see eye to eye. you see what you want as i will do the same, i sleep great a t night . hope you can do the same. later , this rehashing is lame, again sorry ledgies.... im done wasting my time with loong post s to him
trin
when i stated that i was not bitter at you personally, i mean that i am not one of the bitter ppl that you stated that has been flaming you in that other post months ago. actually i dont remember seeing it, and it doesnt matter to me what was said about you . everyone here has a reason for feeling the way they do about you . after all you are the one who banned me, and never answered my emails , but you know what i got over it cause i found the ledge.so when you come here acting like there is a majority of interests by this boards members to hear your information, it does make me and everyone sick. why the interest now. and if only a small few are vocal about it, being sickening, believe me trin , the majority of this board feels the same way about you as the outspoken ones do. even if you mean well , you are damned, you are guilty by association as well as many other reasons that ppl feel fitting. but i dont think that will find you any pity.
the bottom line is trin you discovered just like the rest of us that the club was not holding up to its end of the bargain that they were screwing us. and you continued to bann us and stay an admin,, its nice that you have to freedom to state you will come here and post and not be chased a way by the few vocal posters here, that is a nice luxury to have isnt it. you should of given it to your members as well. as far as you not being paid by jt, you basically work for him as a volunteer and follow his rules. as for your angry post, in regards to what happend months ago, you should of let it go , then , not get mad on another post today. and not to be rude, i know you dont want to be chased away but , your board members receive your emails and your info, there is no reason for you to post here, unless you do it to cause controversy... you know how ppl feel about you here, everything you say no matter how nice you think you are being is going to be scrutinized and you come here know ing that but then still act shocked when it happens. how else do you expect these ppl to react to the person who banned them ?????????
its time for you to see that and acceot that,
gldstwmn
09-07-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Pix
[B] I post here for the others not for the few of you who are so bitter toward me.
/B]
Who are "the others"? What "others?" Can you name any of "the others" specifically? That is a load of crap and you know it. We have been getting along just fine without you here. I fail to see anywhere in your posts on any of these threads where you have made a case for us being unable to live without you. You have an entire chat board at your disposal. It's not this one. There has not been any occasion that we, the fans, have missed out on because we didn't hear about it from you. In fact, the fans here seem to know things a lot sooner that the "official" place you call home.
gldstwmn
09-07-2003, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Pix
I will not speak for the Club however I can and will speak to accusations agaisnt me personally.
It's too late. You already have been speaking for them for quite some time. The last time was Friday evening when you posted about the Chicago Soundstage taping.
highpriestess53
09-07-2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
Aw, I'm so glad that there are others who share my corny sense of humor ;) How about this one? It's dedicated to all of my fellow Banned Mates. You're in good company! :laugh:
http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg
They are great Sara!!!
Louise.
gldstwmn
09-07-2003, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by Pix
You don't like me fine. Lets just stay on the topic when it's posted and it won't have to degrade into this type of thread.
You're on the wrong board again. It's okay if threads go off topic on this board.
glitter_fades
09-07-2003, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by gldstwmn
It's too late. You already have been speaking for them for quite some time. The last time was Friday evening when you posted about the Chicago Soundstage taping.
Yes, and now it's clear what this thread was really all about.
Now that we know who's really behind the Soundstage thing it's obvious what's going on here.
How long do you think this thread will last before he comes back to delete it?
gldstwmn
09-07-2003, 01:30 AM
He must not have seen the other thread. I didn't either at first. He disappeared rather conveniently.
seeknpeace
09-07-2003, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by gldstwmn
He must not have seen the other thread. I didn't either at first. He disappeared rather conveniently.
Thank Ah You. He must feel like a dork. What will it take to open eyes over there?
Gypsy-Rhiannon
09-07-2003, 04:16 AM
At the end of the day I don't know if any of the admins have been offered perks by Jonathan Todd.... I DO KNOW that he talked about perks when trying to bribe his way out of the situation with Fireflies UK. THIS IS FACT. So it is natural that we will assume it works for other people 'helping' with his site. Todd is a sleaze and it is beyond my comprehension that anyone would want to have anything to do with being associated with him. I was one of the first posters on Mick's board but while he is there I just don't want to know
Pip
seeknpeace
09-07-2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
At the end of the day I don't know if any of the admins have been offered perks by Jonathan Todd.... I DO KNOW that he talked about perks when trying to bribe his way out of the situation with Fireflies UK. THIS IS FACT. So it is natural that we will assume it works for other people 'helping' with his site. Todd is a sleaze and it is beyond my comprehension that anyone would want to have anything to do with being associated with him. I was one of the first posters on Mick's board but while he is there I just don't want to know
Pip
Remember, more than he talked about perks for Fireflies, he said flat out that the admins were perked. So, if and when they are upset at anyone thinking this, they can look at him. He is the one that brought that to us. We did not dream it up on our on. And, of course, that opens doors to all other things that could be perked.
glitter_fades
09-07-2003, 02:53 PM
Trins 11th hour tirade kills me. Months ago I said I'd cut the admins a break if they explained why they're still sticking to JT like glue if they're not getting perked. JT let that cat out of the bag, but I never said I believed it. It's more likely than not JT's been leading them on and maybe he didn't directly comp them for specific things we can prove, but something fishy's been in the air from the beginning. Why get all defensive now?
Pix/Trin says he's read these boards all along but didn't respond until someone said he did something gay. That's what it took to make him defend himself? A gay reference? What an insult to gays! He didn't want to defend himself against his bosses lies. WTF? It must be all coming apart at the seams over there. Now that it's been exposed that the whole Soundstage thing coming from the fan club is a lie, how can he ever claim the high road? I really wanted to cut Trin a break because I felt he was being used, but when you go willingly and you attack the people trying to show you the light, you are a lost cause. JMO.
gypsysara
09-08-2003, 02:50 PM
Funny how you run away Pix and now say you wont answer any questions that have to do with the fan club and specifically ALL THE BANNINGS YOU AND YOUR CO-ADMINISTRATORS HAVE DONE ON THE BOARD YOU HELP RUN.
Get a life!
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