Mick Fleetwood--Piece of junk human?

[EricBliss12345]

I was just wondering, because rarely if ever do I read nice things about him here.

There's all kinds of nice talk about Stevie, Lindsey and Chris, and people usually say nothing about poor John. :( Mick however seems to get the most ugly comments out of all of them. They aren't even rediculously frequent or anything, I just noticed that there seems to be some kind of problem with him in things I read here time to time. I've even read that some people think his message board is wierd or something. :laugh:

I know I remember reading that his book was basically trash and should never have been released. But why else?

Just curious.

Peace

Eric

[dissention]

There's nothing wrong with lving money a lot, we all do. But Mick takes it to the extreme where it's like he see's all of us as his cash cows and he'll do whatever he can do to make a quick buck. People like that sicken me and don't deserve my respect.

He's always tried to make money through the years and it's partially because he doesn't know how to manage finances for ****. After all, Fleetwood Mac fired him as their manager because he was so ****ty with money. He went bankrupt for making ****ty land deals and whores out the other band members so that he gets more money.

He wrote a book that was full of embellishments and lies, not because people cared about him, but because they cared about Lindsey, Stevie, and Chris and wanted to hear about them. So, he made money off of the misfortune of others. Nevermind the fact that Mick was one of the biggest cokeheads and what he wrote in his "book" was probably all fiction and lies. I wouldn't even call it a book, I'd call it "literary excrement."

Like Bob Welch said, as long as Mick has money rolling in, Mick doesn't care what kinds of people he gets involved with. He hired the likes of a certain Jonathan Todd and I think that speaks for itself.

Jonathan Todd has stolen money, tried to make money off of other people like the sweet Pip, he's corrupted the computers of people who disagree with his tactics, and he's trashing Fleetwood Mac in the process. And, here's the kicker, Mick Fleetwood knows all about it. Anyone who would argue the contrary smokes cannabis. :laugh:

So, for those reasons and MANY more, I think Mick is a piece of junk. And he ain't the best drummer by far, either. :laugh:

[Janet]

JC! No one is a piece of junk. Maybe someone who molests children or beats people to a bloody pulp or anyone who harms animals for no reasons...but Mick Fleetwood, just because he is money hungry, isn't a piece of junk. He's just someone who wants to retire, have money for his kids and grandkids. He must feel alot of guilt losing soooooooo much money, I bet Stevie is the same way. Im sure they both would like to die knowing their family are taken care of for years and years. Im sure Mick just wants to have a dynasty.

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Originally posted by dissention
And he ain't the best drummer by far, either.

I'd have to disagree with that... there are a lot of terms that could be used to describe the man, but one thing he is not is a bad drummer.

Laura.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Janet
Im sure Mick just wants to have a dynasty.

But see, my point is that Mick will spare no expense (no pun intended! :laugh: ) to have his dynasty. He doesn't care how he makes his money, even if it's in the dirtiest way or at the expense of others that aren't as fortunate as he is.

Laura--

I don't think Mick is a bad drummer, he's a great drummer. But he is FAR from the best. You want to see or hear one of the best drummers out there, check out Clem Burke; he puts Mick to shame. :D

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by dissention
But see, my point is that Mick will spare no expense (no pun intended! :laugh: ) to have his dynasty. He doesn't care how he makes his money, even if it's in the dirtiest way or at the expense of others that aren't as fortunate as he is.

Laura--

I don't think Mick is a bad drummer, he's a great drummer. But he is FAR from the best. You want to see or hear one of the best drummers out there, check out Clem Burke; he puts Mick to shame. :D

(squeals) CLEM!!! FINALLY some recignition of him, he is one of the best drummers ever. Adrian Young isn't too bad either.

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Check out Clem Burke? I don't need to... I've seen Blondie live ten times. And Kate, how did I know you would pop your head up at the mention of Clem? :laugh: It's true, he does deserve more recognition. However, they have completely different styles of drumming. You can't really compare them in that way.

Laura.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by BellaDonnaGypsy
And Kate, how did I know you would pop your head up at the mention of Clem? :laugh: It's true, he does deserve more recognition. However, they have completely different styles of drumming. You can't really compare them in that way.

Laura.

I have a Blondie radar. I sense these things from afar. Auk! The official site is calling... (goes to official site)

:laugh:

[Lala]

I think Mick's a pretty good drummer. I'm no expert, but his drumming on Rumours sounds really good to me. Maybe it's just my speakers. :rolleyes:

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Let me just add that, when I think of Mick's most impressive drumming, I think pre Rumours. So I may be using a slightly different reference point to some of you. It's strange though... people in the most random places point to Mick as an inspiration. I know drummers in punk bands that give props to the pre Rumours stuff.

Laura.

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Originally posted by xdreamsunwindx
I have a Blondie radar. I sense these things from afar. Auk! The official site is calling... (goes to official site)

Ah, you have Blondie radar too! I always know when they're on television... I just get this feeling... and I turn it on, and voila! And why is the official site calling? Chris better not have updated again...

Yes, this is so far off topic it's somewhere on the boundaries of our solar system, but I promise not to do it again!

Laura.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by BellaDonnaGypsy
Ah, you have Blondie radar too! I always know when they're on television... I just get this feeling... and I turn it on, and voila! And why is the official site calling? Chris better not have updated again...

Yes, this is so far off topic it's somewhere on the boundaries of our solar system, but I promise not to do it again!

Laura.

I don't know why but it just is. Da da!

Gah... Chris has not yet updated. Dammit... But, I think Clem did this interview thingie with one of the webmasters/whatever...


And, being off topic is fun! :laugh:

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Shall I continue until they make me shut up? You're a bad influence, Kate! :laugh:

But yes, both Clem and Jimmy (thank God he's back... we were so scared that he had defected to The Misfits) did interviews with Kat... I think it must have been backstage after some of the Australian shows.

Laura.

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

OK, I'm going to start a Blondie thread in the chit chat forum, since I feel severe guilt over being so far off topic. ;)

Laura.

[tommer]

Originally posted by dissention
There's nothing wrong with lving money a lot, we all do. But Mick takes it to the extreme where it's like he see's all of us as his cash cows and he'll do whatever he can do to make a quick buck. People like that sicken me and don't deserve my respect.

He's always tried to make money through the years and it's partially because he doesn't know how to manage finances for ****. After all, Fleetwood Mac fired him as their manager because he was so ****ty with money. He went bankrupt for making ****ty land deals and whores out the other band members so that he gets more money.

He wrote a book that was full of embellishments and lies, not because people cared about him, but because they cared about Lindsey, Stevie, and Chris and wanted to hear about them. So, he made money off of the misfortune of others. Nevermind the fact that Mick was one of the biggest cokeheads and what he wrote in his "book" was probably all fiction and lies. I wouldn't even call it a book, I'd call it "literary excrement."

Like Bob Welch said, as long as Mick has money rolling in, Mick doesn't care what kinds of people he gets involved with. He hired the likes of a certain Jonathan Todd and I think that speaks for itself.

Jonathan Todd has stolen money, tried to make money off of other people like the sweet Pip, he's corrupted the computers of people who disagree with his tactics, and he's trashing Fleetwood Mac in the process. And, here's the kicker, Mick Fleetwood knows all about it. Anyone who would argue the contrary smokes cannabis. :laugh:

So, for those reasons and MANY more, I think Mick is a piece of junk. And he ain't the best drummer by far, either. :laugh:
1. it could be nice if both you and eric would start considering some heavier thinking processes before you write.
of course the man is no angel, but on the other hand, despite what you may think he's one of the world's greatest drummers, he is the man who kept this great band alive through thick and thin for 36+ years, and like it or not, he's the man who's responsible to the fact that lindsey and stevie have careers at all.
please show SOME respect.

2. he's money hungry alright. yes, sometimes it's becoming unfair to us fans, but overall i'd say that his money grabbing is beneficial for most of us.
what can i say, usually i enjoy spending money on FM. example: i'll be going to see them in london pretty soon, and it's about to cost me at least 1500$, honestly, i don't really have this money right now, will mick be responsible for this upcoming overdraft? no.
this money grabbing can end with this wretched fanclub on one hand or Tango In The Night on the other.

3. the fact that i'm smoking a nice ganja as i write this, doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours if you don't mind.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by BellaDonnaGypsy
Shall I continue until they make me shut up? You're a bad influence, Kate! :laugh:

But yes, both Clem and Jimmy (thank God he's back... we were so scared that he had defected to The Misfits) did interviews with Kat... I think it must have been backstage after some of the Australian shows.

Laura.

And proud of it! Yay Jimmy's back! I *heart* him, after all, he wrote 11:59, I looove that song...

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by BellaDonnaGypsy
OK, I'm going to start a Blondie thread in the chit chat forum, since I feel severe guilt over being so far off topic. ;)

Laura.

(goes off to post away in thread)

[dissention]

Originally posted by tommer
1. it could be nice if both you and eric would start considering some heavier thinking processes before you write.
of course the man is no angel, but on the other hand, despite what you may think he's one of the world's greatest drummers, he is the man who kept this great band alive through thick and thin for 36+ years, and like it or not, he's the man who's responsible to the fact that lindsey and stevie have careers at all.
please show SOME respect.

2. he's money hungry alright. yes, sometimes it's becoming unfair to us fans, but overall i'd say that his money grabbing is beneficial for most of us.
what can i say, usually i enjoy spending money on FM. example: i'll be going to see them in london pretty soon, and it's about to cost me at least 1500$, honestly, i don't really have this money right now, will mick be responsible for this upcoming overdraft? no.
this money grabbing can end with this wretched fanclub on one hand or Tango In The Night on the other.

3. the fact that i'm smoking a nice ganja as i write this, doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours if you don't mind.

My thinking process is perfectly fine, if others don't like my opinions, they don't have to agree. But I don't need to be told that my "thinking process" is off base. I find that quite rude.

1. It's a matter of *OPINION* whether or not someone thinks he's one of the "greatest" drummers. He's a good drummer in my book, but not one of the greatest in the world. It's a matter of opinion and personal taste.

2. I don't have to respect him for hooking up with Lindsey and Stevie. That's a bit far-fetched.

3. If you can explain how the fan club is beneficial to most of us, I'd be open to hearing you explain it. If you can explain how his "book" was beneficial to us, please explain. The things he does are beneficial to him and his cohorts (the band included), plain and simple.

I respect his music, but I don't respect *him*. He's proven what an arse he is and that's enough for me.

Once again, if someone doesn't agree, more power to ya. Our opinions are what make us unique. but don't insult people if you don't agree. :)

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by EricBliss12345
I was just wondering, because rarely if ever do I read nice things about him here.

There's all kinds of nice talk about Stevie, Lindsey and Chris, and people usually say nothing about poor John. :( Mick however seems to get the most ugly comments out of all of them. They aren't even rediculously frequent or anything, I just noticed that there seems to be some kind of problem with him in things I read here time to time. I've even read that some people think his message board is wierd or something. :laugh:

I know I remember reading that his book was basically trash and should never have been released. But why else?

Just curious.

Peace

Eric


If you really want to check out the Mick Fleetwood scene, I would recommend www.mickfleetwood.com. Don't forget to check out the chat board.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by tommer
he's the man who's responsible to the fact that lindsey and stevie have careers at all.


I am 100% convinced that they would have been famous anyway.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I am 100% convinced that they would have been famous anyway.

Me too!!!! esp. Stevie. because by her own admission, she was just far too ambitious!!! :laugh:

[tommer]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I am 100% convinced that they would have been famous anyway.
do you really think every worthwhile talent gets its proper fame and recognition? you (and i) wish!

Dissention, i read your post and it contained not even a single argument which could have made me change my mind or take back anything i've said.
again, my point is that mick's money hunger was joyfully accepted on my side of the wallet, and usually my heart as well.
i wish some day MY desire for money could cause as much satisfaction as mick's.
as much as i hate the fanclub and its evil ruler, it DID in fact help me get a 5th row ticket.

[diamondsnake]

I kind of admire Mick. I didn't get mixed up in the whole Fan Club thing, so maybe that is one reason why I don't have anything against him. I think it is great that he is making money, he deserves it! Tons of celebs have written books and I'm sure everyone knows that you should not take what you are reading as fact. From all the interviews I have seen he is very funny and seems like a nice guy. He and Stevie are my favorites in the band... And of course, Chris. But I guess she doesn't count anymore!

[dissention]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
I kind of admire Mick.

Would you like to explain a little bit on why you admire him? :)

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
I am 100% convinced that they would have been famous anyway.

I don't think so. They needed to get on their feet somehow. They already had an album before they came to FM and it went no where!

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by dissention
Would you like to explain a little bit on why you admire him? :)

Well first of all he was a cofounder of my favorite band of all time! Also, I still don't understand how you say that the fans are paying for his "money hunger". How are they? If you are refering to the fan club, I doubt very much he is responsible. He is just way to busy to be single handedly running a fan club. I think maybe it was his idea and he was going to be the band member that was the most involved. Still, I think the person who is responsible is that guy who is actually running the financial department and what the "goodies" are that they are giving away. I never signed up for it because I can spot a ripoff a mile away. They don't even send you anything in the mail!

Back to the question at hand. I also admire Mick because he is so enthusiastic at all the concerts. Just look at him on The Dance video and see how much fun he is having...

Also, I'm money hingry to. I just have never had the change to make a ton. So I say Mick, more power to ya!

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
I don't think so. They needed to get on their feet somehow. They already had an album before they came to FM and it went no where!

Actually the album did very well in the south. I think Stevie and Lindsey would have continued to "break" out of the south and gone national. They had the right sound, in the right place at the right time, no question. Wasn't Lindsey gigging with the Everly Brothers around this time too?

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by tommer

as much as i hate the fanclub and its evil ruler, it DID in fact help me get a 5th row ticket.

Yes, apparently the only thing necessary for success with a fan club presale is to live on another continent.:(

[FiercestCalmSea]

I think Piece of Junk is quite a harsh thing to call someone,unless of course you live in a glass house:D I am not the biggest Mick fan by a long shot..but the man is a great drummer..and yea,so he comes off as way $$ hungry..it is annoying..he has ****ty choice in people who represent him...but overall..i can name alot of people with worse attributes than him.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Actually the album did very well in the south. I think Stevie and Lindsey would have continued to "break" out of the south and gone national. They had the right sound, in the right place at the right time, no question. Wasn't Lindsey gigging with the Everly Brothers around this time too?

I, and many other people including celebrities, famous producers, fellow rock stars, and seasoned session players, have mentioned that LB and, perhaps even more so, SN (not in a musical instrument way per se but in a star quality/songwriter way) had a special quality that went beyond talent - almost like they were chosen or destined to be great if I may wax poetic. So, while I get that for every talented star, there nine others that do not make it for many reasons, I also think LB and SN would have made it, esp. considering Stevie's professed ambition (which I have never heard that LB shared), they were somewhat on their way in the South, and LB was getting solid work touring with a well known band.

Also, I have briefly met Stevie a couple of times and been within one foot of her at concerts, touched her hands, etc., and let me tell you that she glows as if a light is coming from her and it makes you think there is noone else there - now that is star power to me. I know that sounds insane, but I swear its true :laugh: In fact, others have commented on it.

But, others have their opinion on such things and I respect that!! :cool:

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
If you really want to check out the Mick Fleetwood scene, I would recommend www.mickfleetwood.com. Don't forget to check out the chat board.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Dont forget you could PM "Pix" over here for the lo-down since Trinity is also an admin over on MF.com...

Tommer, one of these days you and I should share a smoke. Ill bring the rolling papers.

edit: Mick's done some pretty sleazy things (IMO) in his day... but "piece of junk" is a description I save for others who do much worse. Sad thing about that tho is I feel he IS doing wrong by the fan club fiasco, so who knows...

[EricBliss12345]

Very interesting stuff people. His fanclub seems like an effin' mess, especially after reading this and breezing through that Jonathan Todd thread. Do you mean to tell me that guy has sent computer viruses to people in the fanclub? That's what I picked up from what I read.

Oh, and for those saying I should watch what I say...I never called Mick a piece of junk. I was ASKING if he was a piece of junk. There's a difference. :laugh:

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
And of course, Chris. But I guess she doesn't count anymore!

Uhh... I'd like to know why she doesn't count anymore. She's still one of, if not my favourite(s) member of The Mac. Does it matter that she's not in the band anymore? I don't think so. :rolleyes:

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I, and many other people including celebrities, famous producers, fellow rock stars, and seasoned session players, have mentioned that LB and, perhaps even more so, SN (not in a musical instrument way per se but in a star quality/songwriter way) had a special quality that went beyond talent - almost like they were chosen or destined to be great if I may wax poetic. So, while I get that for every talented star, there nine others that do not make it for many reasons, I also think LB and SN would have made it, esp. considering Stevie's professed ambition (which I have never heard that LB shared), they were somewhat on their way in the South, and LB was getting solid work touring with a well known band.

Also, I have briefly met Stevie a couple of times and been within one foot of her at concerts, touched her hands, etc., and let me tell you that she glows as if a light is coming from her and it makes you think there is noone else there - now that is star power to me. I know that sounds insane, but I swear its true :laugh: In fact, others have commented on it.

But, others have their opinion on such things and I respect that!! :cool:

:nod: :nod:

- Jake

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind


Also, I have briefly met Stevie a couple of times and been within one foot of her at concerts, touched her hands, etc., and let me tell you that she glows as if a light is coming from her and it makes you think there is noone else there - now that is star power to me. I know that sounds insane, but I swear its true :laugh: In fact, others have commented on it.
:cool:

I've brought people to Stevie shows who have never seen her before and aren't even that familiar with the music and they're mesmerized by her. I've converted quite a few people actually.

[MacMan]

IMHO I personally think it's really sad that people feel "taken" by the fan club. I personally don't have any proof that they haven't lived up to their promises as I, like someone else said earlier, can smell a rip off a mile away. $80, or what ever it was is no chump change, and didn't seem worth it. I have to wonder if people were charged only $20 (which is not alot of money) and promised the same things and didn't receive them, would they still be calling Mick a money grabber?

Also, I don't fault Mick in trying to make money. He's a drummer in a band who doesn't write, doesn't produce or do any of the studio stuff, and basically unless the albums sell huge amounts, he's not going to make one red cent. All him and John have is the touring money. Lindsey and Stevie have song writing / producing royalties. Lindseys solo stuff hasn't sold very well and he made up for that by producing FM. Producers of albums are the ones paid first - everyone else comes after. Stevie had the best of both worlds. Popular in and out of the band.

Hey.... It's North America - and Capitalism is alive and well.

As for who he has backing him up or running the fan club. That's probably, if you feel you've been wronged, were energy should be focused.

But... since Mick is in the forefront, he's going to be the one picked on.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by MacMan

Also, I don't fault Mick in trying to make money. He's a drummer in a band who doesn't write, doesn't produce or do any of the studio stuff, and basically unless the albums sell huge amounts, he's not going to make one red cent. All him and John have is the touring money.

Mick and John hold a decent stake in the Rumours publishing among other things.

[Sugar]

Mick's not a demon. Mick's not a god. He's just a guy. Do I think he's devious? Not really. A little dumb? Short-sighted? Even selfish? Yeah. I'm not foolish to think he's actually going to try to do me any favors or look out for my best interest. I think that makes him average. The rock stars that actually look out for the fans are the ones operating outside the norm, not Mick Fleetwood.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by xdreamsunwindx
Uhh... I'd like to know why she doesn't count anymore. She's still one of, if not my favourite(s) member of The Mac. Does it matter that she's not in the band anymore? I don't think so. :rolleyes:

You're right. I guess with the new tour and album, she is kind of getting pushed to the backburner in my mind. She has always been my favorite though, or at least a close second to Stevie. I don't know. It's a toss.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
You're right. I guess with the new tour and album, she is kind of getting pushed to the backburner in my mind. She has always been my favorite though, or at least a close second to Stevie. I don't know. It's a toss.

Glad too see more people recognizing her contributions to FM. I know, alot of people kinda feel that way. I'm the same way, she and Stevie are so close on my list that it's a tie.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by xdreamsunwindx
Glad too see more people recognizing her contributions to FM. I know, alot of people kinda feel that way. I'm the same way, she and Stevie are so close on my list that it's a tie.

I feel bad when Christine doesn't get the credit she deserves. I bet a lot more people have heard songs by Christine then songs by Stevie! I can't go the mall shopping without hearing "You make Lovin Fun" in the background! I really wish she would have joined FM for this tour and album. I really don't get why so many people never thought of her as a great singer and songwritter, like so many think about Stevie. The only benefit I see Stevie having over Chris is that Stevie is more of a stage performer and is more of an entertainer, you know? But Chris really never made a bad song and never went through a dry spell in her music!

[dontlookdown]

i think Mick has one of the most organic human drumming technique in rock and roll. his sound has made me very happy for so many years. that's all that matters. i'm not interested in his personal life - it's the music that makes the difference. i'm grateful to have been able to be a fan for so many years.

to those of you who keep focussing on the negative - maybe you have too much free time with your lives

[TwoTricky]

Originally posted by Sugar
Mick's not a demon. Mick's not a god. He's just a guy. Do I think he's devious? Not really. A little dumb? Short-sighted? Even selfish? Yeah. I'm not foolish to think he's actually going to try to do me any favors or look out for my best interest. I think that makes him average. The rock stars that actually look out for the fans are the ones operating outside the norm, not Mick Fleetwood.


I pretty much agree with this statement...I would hate to think of Mick as being this malicious 'piece of junk human' who only cares about money and his own well-being....Like him or not...respect him or not...I do believe he has a genuine love for what he does and for this band...maybe Mick has forgotten the reasons why he's started this band....for the love of it and the love of music... not solely for the money...Wealth is a very powerful thing...and it DOES make SOME people crazy...(I wouldn't know any of this first hand however !!) I don't know the man personally, so I can't really comment on what goes on in his head or his heart...(I personally could take him or leave him.)

I too, have not been part of the Fan Club fiasco, and from what I have read...I certainly can understand WHY people feel the way they do...and IT IS an unfortunate thing to have happen...IF Mick IS aware of what is going on and does nothing....then maybe he does derserve a little 'lashing' or whatever punishment y'all deem necessary...;)

And, IMO....Carter Beauford puts ALL drummers to shame :D

Laurie
:cool:

[dissention]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Well first of all he was a cofounder of my favorite band of all time! Also, I still don't understand how you say that the fans are paying for his "money hunger". How are they? If you are refering to the fan club, I doubt very much he is responsible. He is just way to busy to be single handedly running a fan club. I think maybe it was his idea and he was going to be the band member that was the most involved. Still, I think the person who is responsible is that guy who is actually running the financial department and what the "goodies" are that they are giving away. I never signed up for it because I can spot a ripoff a mile away. They don't even send you anything in the mail!


You don't think he is responsible for hiring a schmuck to represent him and Fleetwood Mac? I wholeheartedly don't agree with that. He's 100% responsible for the people he hires to represent him and to make money for him. If the man he hires turns out to be an ass, Mick is responsible for remedying the problem. And on top of that, the rest of the band is responsible for letting this kind of thing take place with their name (Fleetwood Mac) on it. It's ignorance and it's doing them more harm than good, IMO.

[Smokin Joe]

First of all, I would like to say that Christine will always be a part of Fleetwood Mac. Even though she is not touring with them or recording with them, she has left her mark. As far as Mick being a 'peice of junk,' well, that isn't really up to me to decide. I do know that I think Mick and John are one of the most solid drum/bass tandems in the industry and I have really not seen many better. What ever he does with his life outside of the band I care not. He is part of my favorite band and that I do respect. Always have and always will. I don't like to pick peoples personal lives apart because we all have a few skelletons in our closets. I am no different but that doesn't make me or Mick any less of a person. Now that I have said that, the music and the legends live on. Just my humble opinion.

[Destiny]

You don't think he is responsible for hiring a schmuck to represent him and Fleetwood Mac? I wholeheartedly don't agree with that. He's 100% responsible for the people he hires to represent him and to make money for him. If the man he hires turns out to be an ass, Mick is responsible for remedying the problem. And on top of that, the rest of the band is responsible for letting this kind of thing take place with their name (Fleetwood Mac) on it. It's ignorance and it's doing them more harm than good, IMO.

Well, it's obvious that someone has to take the wrap for all the BS.
It appears to me that Mick has been
"Officially Appointed" the lucky winner.

AND THE BAND PLAYED ON~

[dissention]

Originally posted by Destiny
Well, it's obvious that someone has to take the wrap for all the BS.
It appears to me that Mick has been
"Officially Appointed" the lucky winner.

AND THE BAND PLAYED ON~

Well, if he took a more vested interest in the things that go on with his name attached, he wouldn't be in such a pickle. ;)

[Vianna]

Mick is a great drummer, and he has held Fleetwood Mac together for what, 36 years? in one form or another.

He just has no head for business. He gets himself mixed up in these crazy deals, hires people like JT, starts business ventures he can't finish like that restaurant here in DC, writes books like My Life and Times in Fleetwood Mac and disses all the members he's mad at. I don't know where that comes from in him.

He also managed to lose millions of the band's money, that's why they all fired him as manager and they have separate managers now.

Poor Johnny-gets no attention and I adore him, too-that funny, quirky little smile..

[WindingRoad]

I think Mick is obnoxious. I don't think his "faces" are funny, I think his "balls" are crude, I am not "with him" , and I hate the way Stevie deferrs to him.

I also don't like how he now introduces Stevie as "Stephanie Nicks". That's not her stage name, she has never referred to herself professionally that way. At the show I was at, people started cheering as Mick pointed to Stevie to introduce her, then people paused when they realized Mick had said Stephanie instead of Stevie, then the cheering picked up again but was not as enthusiastic. I think he took away the intensity of the applause she deserved. I don't understand why he's doing that. If anybody can explain it to me, please do.

susieq :wavey:

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by WindingRoad
I think Mick is obnoxious. I don't think his "faces" are funny, I think his "balls" are crude, I am not "with him" , and I hate the way Stevie deferrs to him.

I also don't like how he now introduces Stevie as "Stephanie Nicks". That's not her stage name, she has never referred to herself professionally that way. At the show I was at, people started cheering as Mick pointed to Stevie to introduce her, then people paused when they realized Mick had said Stephanie instead of Stevie, then the cheering picked up again but was not as enthusiastic. I think he took away the intensity of the applause she deserved. I don't understand why he's doing that. If anybody can explain it to me, please do.

susieq :wavey:

No offense but I think some of the audience is plain stupid if they don't realize who he is taking about. Obviously if he is pointing at her and saying her full name, he is talking about stevie. just my two cents.

[WindingRoad]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
No offense but I think some of the audience is plain stupid if they don't realize who he is taking about. Obviously if he is pointing at her and saying her full name, he is talking about stevie. just my two cents.

I didn't say people don't realize who Mick is talking about.

I'm saying that people pause and think "Why did Mick say Stephanie instead of Stevie?" And in that tiny second, momentum is lost.

susieq :wavey:

[jeffs]

I'm saying that people pause and think "Why did Mick say Stephanie instead of Stevie?" And in that tiny second, momentum is lost.

She is responsible for telling him she doesn't like to be introduced that way - who cares what we think if she tolerates or likes it. I think Mick is the king of all pricks, but the Stephanie thing is her doing.

[EricBliss12345]

How bad does Mick diss the members he's mad at in his book? With as disgusting as it is, I love reading smut so I think that would be interesting to me. :laugh:

I thought I remembered reading something about how he wrote about Lindsey bending Stevie over the back of a car and beating the **** out of her or something. I also heard that half the stuff in there is untrue. If I had the luxury of being a serious cokehead for 25 years I could see my memory being a little more than fuzzy. Come to think about it, how did he remember ANYTHING to write a book? :laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by EricBliss12345
Come to think about it, how did he remember ANYTHING to write a book? :laugh:

You'd be surprised what Mick can do when someone waves money in his face. ;)

[Vianna]

Mick did not write the book by himself-he had a co-author.

That story about Stevie and Lindsey was mainly what I had in mind when I say he dissed band members he was mad at. At the time he was still mad at Lindsey for quitting so he wanted to make Lindsey look as bad as possible. I do not for one moment believe Lindsey did anything to Stevie except yell at her, and she was yelling too. Mick just put that in there to be mean and sell books.

If you have the "Going Home" video, watch it carefully-Lindsey answers some of Mick's accusations in the video-indirectly. If you've read the book, though, you know what he's referring to.

There was no need for Mick to wash the band's dirty linen in public is my point I guess-he needed money at the time and he did it to get money.

[dissention]

Originally posted by Vianna
There was no need for Mick to wash the band's dirty linen in public is my point I guess-he needed money at the time and he did it to get money.

Exactly, Vianna.

I think Lindsey said it perfectly in "Wrong." :)