Stevie's weight?

[diamondsnake]

Hey,
I am a pretty new Stevie fan. I starting getting in to the Mac during the Dance timeframe. Anyway, I have been reading some things and I read that both critics and fans made fun of Stevie because she gained a lot of weight and she vowed never to perform again. Is this true? How much weight could she have possible gained? Are there any pictures of her? And why the heck did the fans turn on her?

[The Catdancer]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Hey,
I am a pretty new Stevie fan. I starting getting in to the Mac during the Dance timeframe. Anyway, I have been reading some things and I read that both critics and fans made fun of Stevie because she gained a lot of weight and she vowed never to perform again. Is this true? How much weight could she have possible gained? Are there any pictures of her? And why the heck did the fans turn on her?

She was pretty heavy and the critics were anything but nice. They didn't talk about her performance, they talked about her weight. And yes, they made fun of her. From what I understand she said:"I won't be performing untill I loose the weight". She did and is performing again. She looks and sounds better than ever.
As for the fans..... a true fan will NEVER turn on her, no matter how she looks, fat or thin, popular or impopular. I've been a fan since Rhiannon and so are a lot of others here.

[golden braid]

Stevie says she weighed 170-175 lbs and she is only 5 ft 1. I think since then she says she has lost around 30 lbs. There are some pictures of her and I have a video of her when she performed "Blue Denim" on Jay Leno. I don't think she looked good but it was more her outfit and her hair do that made her look bad. Big, poofy crimped hair. :shrug:

[dissention]

Fat or thin, I love Stevie to death. Anyone who would criticize her for how she looks is an asshole, plain and simple. if they can't focus on the marvelous music, f*ck 'em. The critics that said nasty things about her probable have polyester pants AND hips.

I was at the Boston opening night for the SA tour and was APPALLED at the way some supposed "fans" acted. They yelled some incredibly mean things towards Stevie and I just wanted to go up, take her in my arms, and tell her I loved her just as much as I always did and to keep her head high.

[David]

Originally posted by dissention
I was at the Boston opening night for the SA tour and was APPALLED at the way some supposed "fans" acted. They yelled some incredibly mean things towards Stevie and I just wanted to go up, take her in my arms, and tell her I loved her just as much as I always did and to keep her head high. How terrible! When I saw Stevie in California in '94, I didn't hear anyone make any cheap shots about her weight. The only time I ever remember hearing anyone in the audience say anything about her weight was at the Universal Amphitheatre show with Jackson Browne & Don Henley in 1985. The woman next to me said, "Didn't she put a little weight on?"

I don't like being extremely mean to Stevie, but I have to disagree with the poster who said that she looks & sounds better than ever (unless that person just meant it rhetorically). She doesn't look as great today as she did in 1976. Most people look a lot better at 28 than they do in their 50s, & Stevie's no exception.

I actually really liked the way she looked in the "If You Ever Did Believe" video.

[DrummerDeanna]

Just another fine example of how horrible society is with women's image. So who give a rat's ass if she put on weight!?! She said it best, she said something like, "what since I put on weight I'm not a good singer anymore?" Or something to that effect...like she sings and writes...she doesn't model swim wear...so it shouldn't matter how big or small she is...though with the emphasis on size in this country I'm sure she felt horrible herself...but I agree...she looks and sounds amazing now!! And I, for one, don't care how much she weighs...I just care about the music...:D

[Sorcerer386]

While there were obvious reports and pokes at Stevie for her gained weight, I think a lot had to do with herself rather than outside influences. I just don't think she was happy being as heavy as she was. And she mentioned in the DownTown interview that she would walk on stage and see disappointed faces and would want to say "I'm sorry I can't be the Stevie that you once knew and loved." Meanwhile, she was putting on the best tour since 1983. Also, besides the glares and everything else, I'm sure it wasn't easy for her bouncing around like she does while being heavier...it was probably hard on her physically.

To answer your questions: Yes, she vowed never to sing live again until she lost the weight. I don't think she ever says how much weight she gained since Timespace, only that she gained 10 pounds after going home from Exodus (the rehab she went to to kick Klonopin), and that she ended up being 175. There are many Street Angel tour pictures, and I don't think the TRUE fans turned on her. Again, while many criticized her, I think it was an internal struggle too...an inferiority complex for lack of better terms.

[diamondsnake]

Some of this stuff I'm reading is crazy.... Can someone help me connect the dotes?

What I'm confused about is, why would fans be dissapointed when they first saw Stevie? Were they not aware that she had gained weight? I mean I would be very suprised if I had no idea that Stevie was 30 pounds heavier and then saw her on stage like that. Not to be cruel, because I am not think myself, but I can understand how that might take away from a concert. You know what I mean? If you have no idea someone has gained a lot of weight that could be on your mind for a while, making it hard to focus on the actual songs. Just an idea. I don't really know.

Also, were people really suprised to see Stevie looking so great on the Dance concert video? I mean was it like she went into hiding so she would come back looking excellent and prove everyone wrong? Or did she just pretty much stay out of the press?

The only reason I have all these questions is because I was about 8 years old during the Street Angel tour. I started being a fan during the Dance tour and now I have pretty much become a huge fan. I still have not learned everything about the bands history though...

Thanks for all the help...

[Hawkeye]

I still have not learned everything about the bands history though...

Any you never will:nod: There is ALWAYS more. Stevie doesn't even know the band's full history.

[Jason T.]

Originally posted by DrummerDeanna
Just another fine example of how horrible society is with women's image. So who give a rat's ass if she put on weight!?! She said it best, she said something like, "what since I put on weight I'm not a good singer anymore?" Or something to that effect...like she sings and writes...she doesn't model swim wear...so it shouldn't matter how big or small she is...though with the emphasis on size in this country I'm sure she felt horrible herself...but I agree...she looks and sounds amazing now!! And I, for one, don't care how much she weighs...I just care about the music...:D

They better recognize! Stevie is the queen of rock, and beauty should not be measured on a scale of weight...especially with someone whose beauty is possessed in MANY other areas as well as image, such as Stevie. That just pisses me off...some people are just freakin' jackasses. :mad:

[strandinthewind]

You know Stevie's weight has always been a Catch 22 with me. I adore her and loved her even more on the SA tour, where she was heavier but rocked her a$$ off in a sober way in great voice. But, she put herself out there as a sex symbol for over 10 years, so when she was no longer one because of the weight (sadly, that is just the way it is for men and perhaps more women) people reacted poorly. I am just glad she is comfortable with herself now as opposed to then no matter what she weighs! :cool:

[MacMan]

The weight thing actually started way before 1994 and Street Angel. I saw the band in 1990 and although she clearly wasn't herself on stage, and wasn't too energetic, it was still a great show. I read alot of newspaper reviews after the Behind The Mask shows in my area and the reviewers would consentrate more on her weight and the lack of interest she seemed to show during the concert, rather then on the actual music of the concert which was great or the other band members.

I have videos of shows back in 1989 and this to me is the first indication that she'd put on weight and was not as energetic and seemed like she was in some sorta zone. Only later would we all realize why.... It was the Klonopin!

At the last show in 1994 in LA at the end of Street Angel, she walked off stage and vowed never to perform again at that weight.

I think she was her own worse critic in this dept. Most people are who have a few extra pounds on.

Personally the best I've seen Stevie look in the 90's is when she did the Grammies in 1998 and when she sang HAEWAFY on Letterman in 1998. She was pretty trim at that point.

[David R]

Stevie was never FAT, she knew when she needed to lose it and she did. Then when she came back to the mac in 97 she became one of the 50 most beautiful people(people magazine, not that I read it), and she was over 50. She knows and feels how her body should be. Gotta love that lady... :)

[strandinthewind]

IMO, she lost her lithe dancer's body sometime between The Wild Heart record and Rock a Little. In the Red Rocks video, she appears as a maturer woman with a fuller (not fat) figure.

[dissention]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Also, were people really suprised to see Stevie looking so great on the Dance concert video? I mean was it like she went into hiding so she would come back looking excellent and prove everyone wrong? Or did she just pretty much stay out of the press?

Most people were surprised. After the SA tour, she didn't do anything but a few free shows in '96. She DID NOT look good or healthy during these free shows; she looked like she was very sick. Then when the Dance came around, we saw this gorgeous, sexy, focused, and happy Stevie. She was a real sexpot during the Dance, IMO. She looked fit and healthy. The rest is history! :D

[Merf]

Originally posted by dissention
Most people were surprised. After the SA tour, she didn't do anything but a few free shows in '96. She DID NOT look good or healthy during these free shows; she looked like she was very sick. Then when the Dance came around, we saw this gorgeous, sexy, focused, and happy Stevie. She was a real sexpot during the Dance, IMO. She looked fit and healthy. The rest is history! :D

*nod* Dissention, I totally agree-- she became a total sexpot during the Dance! :laugh: I think 1997 on to now is the best she has ever looked. I don't know what happened in 94-97, but something certainly changed her for the better. She seems happier and healthier now. Go girl :)

[MacMan]

Merf, I love those banners you're making for Knoxville! Very nice!!

[dissention]

Originally posted by Merf
*nod* Dissention, I totally agree-- she became a total sexpot during the Dance! :laugh: I think 1997 on to now is the best she has ever looked. I don't know what happened in 94-97, but something certainly changed her for the better. She seems happier and healthier now. Go girl :)

That's for sure! I think just her confidence and happiness alone is incredibly sexy! She enjoys what she does so much more nowadays and it shows. GDW from The Dance sent shivers up my spine, she could put any 20-year-old bimbo to shame! She exuded raw sexuality...:laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Some of this stuff I'm reading is crazy.... Can someone help me connect the dotes?

What I'm confused about is, why would fans be dissapointed when they first saw Stevie?

If you had seen Stevie on TOSOTM tour in '89 and that was your first time seeing her, you were in for a shock. She sang in a strange monotone, due to the klonopin, I'm sure and was very heavy. She stood at the microphone and didn't move. It was only two years earlier that she looked and sounded like her incredible self with Fleetwood Mac. Then, on the next tour, the BTM tour with FM, she was thin, effusive and fine in her performances. Then again, for Timespace she had gained weight but sounded fine. So in essence, post Betty Ford there seemed to be a lot of extremes in Stevie's music, health, performance and appearance after coming off of a 10-15 year drug habit (s). It would take anyone time to sort it out. Then she got hooked on a prescription drug. By the time she got off of that, the industry had changed, she hadn't made a record in a while and what she put out wasn't (she felt) her best work. The record was a commercial failure in comparison to her past work. So she did something very smart. She took a break, put herself back together and reconnected with Lindsey to do a song for a movie soundtrack, Twister. One thing lead to another and they decided to do The Dance.
Hope this answers some of your questions.:)

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
IMO, she lost her lithe dancer's body sometime between The Wild Heart record and Rock a Little. In the Red Rocks video, she appears as a maturer woman with a fuller (not fat) figure.

Yes, between nearing forty and the booze bloat her body changed.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
. . . booze bloat . . . .

I think I've taken that cruise!!!!

[Merf]

Originally posted by MacMan
Merf, I love those banners you're making for Knoxville! Very nice!!

Thanks, MacMan! :) I made the first one I had up, the one that was mostly black and white with the pic of the band. However, Marissa (GardenStateGirlie) made this one for me!! :) *hug* thanks girl ;)

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I think I've taken that cruise!!!!

Yeah, you and everyone else that's over thirty years of age!

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I think I've taken that cruise!!!!


Haven't we all?:laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Haven't we all?:laugh:

Cripes, I bloat up like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Turkey float if I eat two slices of bread. If I have ice cream, my ass jiggles for a week. Add to that the fact that I get more wrinkles every day, my cellulite is more apparent than Chuck Woolery's rug, and my stretch marks are so big they could have their own zip code. Ah, aging.

I think Stevie is holding up pretty well.

:laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by dissention
my cellulite is more apparent than Chuck Woolery's rug,
:laugh:

LMAO!

[Merf]

Originally posted by dissention
That's for sure! I think just her confidence and happiness alone is incredibly sexy! She enjoys what she does so much more nowadays and it shows. GDW from The Dance sent shivers up my spine, she could put any 20-year-old bimbo to shame! She exuded raw sexuality...:laugh:

*nod* without a doubt! Britney who?? ;) Her performances of GDW and Silver Springs from the Dance are both incredibly sexy.... MEOW! ;)

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
After the SA tour, she didn't do anything but a few free shows in '96. She DID NOT look good or healthy during these free shows; she looked like she was very sick.*lol*
Again, you and I have a completely different viewpoint! :laugh:

I thought Stevie looked FANTASTIC in pics from those free concerts in 1996!

Here are two from the August 24th concert in Columbus, OH.
One on-stage (which is one of my all-time favorite Stevie pics), and one back-stage.

http://www.nicksfix.com/aug24b.jpg

http://www.nicksfix.com/snaug24g.jpg

[diamondsnake]

FREE CONCERTS????? Why? Was she so bad she couldn't even get money for a show?

[Sarah]

The only reason I'll ever give a **** about Stevie's weight is because I want her to be healthy. Critics can go to hell, they don't matter anyway- they're just journalists who can't get a real job, so they have to spew their egotistical filth all over everything, as if anyone cares what they have to say in the first place.

End of story.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
FREE CONCERTS????? Why? Was she so bad she couldn't even get money for a show? They were free concerts sponsored by radio stations in St. Petersburg, Florida; Boston, MA.; and Columbus, Ohio, and they featured several different performers.

Each concert helped raise money for various charities.
Stevie has done many shows over the years, to help raise money for the charities that are dear to her heart. :)

[dissention]

I went to two of the free concerts (Boston and Florida) and she certainly looked terrible, she sounded great (especially Boston), but looked awful. Her hair wasn't like in the pictures for the show you showed, it was straight and it looked fried. For the soundcheck at the Florida show, she wore this sundress (!!!) and when she did the actual show, she was wearing this corset thing and this HUGE crucifix around her neck. She had heavy bags under her eyes, didn't move around much, pale skin, and seemed...distant. At the Boston show, she was more into it, but she looked like she was very sick. Her voice at the Boston show was also very hoarse and very throaty, like she had a throat infection or something. I enjoyed the shows, but after seeing Stevie, I was concerned about her health. We hadn't heard anything from her in so long and then to see her looking so sickly made me wonder if she actually was very sick. :(

[strandinthewind]

I did not go to these concerts. However, the reviews on the nicksfix of the concerts pretty much agree that she was beginning to lose weight and she looked and sounded great. I remember at the time reading them and thinking, that was a good thing.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by dissention
I went to two of the free concerts (Boston and Florida) and she certainly looked terrible, she sounded great (especially Boston), but looked awful. Her hair wasn't like in the pictures for the show you showed, it was straight and it looked fried. For the soundcheck at the Florida show, she wore this sundress (!!!) and when she did the actual show, she was wearing this corset thing and this HUGE crucifix around her neck.Hmm, maybe she looked better in the pics than she did in person, because I thought she looked great in all of the photos I've seen from those shows. Even in the sundress! :D

Here are two from the July 4th performance in St. Petersburg, Florida... one in the sundress, from the soundcheck, and one during the performance....

http://www.nicksfix.com/snbear2.jpg

http://www.nicksfix.com/snpier4a.jpg

Now two from the Boston, MA. show, on October 12th....

http://www.nicksfix.com/oct12a.jpg

http://www.nicksfix.com/oct12p.jpg

[dissention]

Need I say more?! The photos, however bad they are, make her look 110% better than she did at the shows. There are a few more close-up shots from the Boston show floating around on the internet if you can find them, Johnny. :) You don't think she actually looks good in those photos, do you?!

[dissention]

Here are some more photos from the free shows I was at:

Florida-

http://nicksfix.com/snbear7.jpg
http://nicksfix.com/snbear8.jpg
http://nicksfix.com/snbear5.jpg
http://nicksfix.com/snbear4.jpg

Boston-

http://nicksfix.com/oct12_96.jpg
http://nicksfix.com/oct12s.jpg
http://nicksfix.com/oct12d.jpg
http://nicksfix.com/oct12h.jpg

[strandinthewind]

I have to say while she could have looked better (esp. the vampire make up :laugh: ) , I do not think she looks horrible, esp. considering these were taken in broad daylight and were candid photos as opposed to The Dance video which was filmed with a special lens (can you say oil coated), in controlled lighting, and heavily edited to ensure good angles (notice they rarely film her rear end from any angle and the chiffon on the mic. stand hides alot!) :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I tried to choose photos where her face wasn't too obscured, and those where you could see her body better... but I don't think she looks "horrible" and "sick" in ANY of the dozens of pics from those shows. Some may not be the most flattering angle or lighting, but she still looks great.

And I still feel that in several of the pics, she looks downright fantastic.

The "worst" I've ever seen Stevie looking, in terms of health, are pics from the 'Rock A Little' tour... where her "eye makeup (was) dark, and careless," and she looked bloated, and uncomfortable.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by trackaghost
I have a horrible feeling that Diamondsnake is trying to be provocative and get us arguing.The great thing is... no one's arguing! :D

Even though we're not all necessarily seeing eye-to-eye on this particular topic, at least we're all being civil.
Ledgies are the best. :)
Originally posted by trackaghost
Lets just agree that Stevie, while a beauty, like any human being does not look great all the time but at the moment is looking fantastic.Very well said.
It can't be easy to have your life so well-documented. And though some may argue that fame and celebrity are things that Stevie wanted, that doesn't excuse the often cruel and invasive things that have been said about her at various times throughout her career.

She may be famous, but she's still a human-being, who is deserving of respect and compassion.
But then, I'm preaching to the choir, aren't I? :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
But then, I'm preaching to the choir, aren't I? :nod:


Amen brother!:D

[sulamith]

Hey guys, I know I am coming to this late, and I agree, Stevie is beautiful but not perfect. I am so glad she taking better care of herself these days, and the only reason I hope she is keeping her weight down is so she feels better.

One question I have myself is in regard to when I myself first started hearing/reading negative press about Stevie's appearance. I have to admit I was shocked when I got wind of it. I recall reading a review that I'll paraphrase, "Stevie Nicks came out draped in blue fabric that resembled her grandma's bedspread....then she dropped it to reaveal that her voice is not the only thing she has allowed to slip..."

I was horrified when I read that. I couldn't believe some jackass said that about sexy Stevie Nicks.

The best I can recall this was around the time of TOSOTM. Does anybody else remember this?
Or what did you think when you first started seeing similar press? I was really upset for her.

-Sharon

[sarahw]

I think for a 55 year-old woman who has lived the life of a rock goddess...she looks great. Or who has lived any life for that matter. She looks much better than many women half her age. If she were thin then critics would say she was too thin. Naysayers will always need something to focus on and her weight is an easy target. From all the picture from this tour posted by Ledgies, I have thought to myself many times how thins she looks. But there will always be people who bring up her less than stellar moments. The past is the past. Bottom line, she looks awesome. And sounds it too.

[dissention]

I'm just saying that I was aghast when I saw Stevie at those free shows. Was she ugly? Of course not, she's a naturally beautiful woman regardless. But she looked like she didn't seem to care how she looked when she went out onstage and looked like she was ill. She looked like she'd been through a tough time and it showed in her performances and her appearances. But, she's Stevie Nicks; I love her no matter what. :nod:

And that first pic, Johnny, that you posted from the free show I didn't attend is GORGEOUS. Damn skippy. :D

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by dissention
I'm just saying that I was aghast when I saw Stevie at those free shows. Was she ugly? Of course not, she's a naturally beautiful woman regardless. But she looked like she didn't seem to care how she looked when she went out onstage and looked like she was ill. She looked like she'd been through a tough time and it showed in her performances and her appearances. But, she's Stevie Nicks; I love her no matter what. :nod:

And that first pic, Johnny, that you posted from the free show I didn't attend is GORGEOUS. Damn skippy. :D

I know. That is the thing I think gets misunderstood. I do not think the vast majority of "us" ever think Stevie is/was a troll or anything like that. I think the vast majority of "us " just comment that she has been through the ringer (drugs, booze, basically non-stop touring/recording, seemingly unrequited love affairs to name a few, pressure to be Ms. Perfect in all aspects all of the time, etc. ) more than once and thank the stars above she has come through it every time and looks remarable considering all of that. Did that make sense :laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Did that make sense :laugh:

Perfectly.

If any of us think she looked bad during those free shows, god forbid if we saw her after Klonopin detox! Gray hair, molted skin, and all! :laugh:

[diamondsnake]

I started this thread and I'm sorrorry I have started all this! Anyway, to the person that thinks I am trying to stir things up, I'm not. I just wanted to discuss if her weight was really as bad as Stevie had said. And actually I think it was. The pictures someone posted on another thread from the Clinton concert were awful. I feel really bad that these pictures are floating around- when Stevie looks great now. It was really just her face that looked bloated.

In those pictures you just posted, the first one on the Fourth of July was an amazing shot! She looks as fantastic as ever!!!

[strandinthewind]

AND - I think the important thing for me is that even at her heaviest in the S.A. she still looked okay to me, sounded great, and rocked her a$$ off. To paraphrase Cher on her final, I really mean it this time, I am not like Barbara Streisand "this is really it" tour - "follow that you bitche$" :laugh:

[4Buck]

..........I think people compare Nick's herpes-related Epstein-Barr weight to the elder C. McVie's leanness. They figure if chainsmoking, lush-liver, former coke-head, Chris, could stay in shape, why couldn't she?................Thanks to quick-acting Botox, Collagen injections and laser wrinkle removal, these women's faces don't age, no matter how many cigarettes, glasses of wine or drugs they take -- three things that surely dissipate you and dry you out..........But harsh singing voices, weak bones, weight alteration, loss of energy and memory loss will prevail, unfortunately.....................

[gldstwmn]

Misogynist much? :confused:

[Merf]

Originally posted by 4Buck
..........I think people compare Nick's herpes-related Epstein-Barr weight to the elder C. McVie's leanness.

Herpes-related?

NOT true.

This is how rumours get started, unfortunately.

I'm trying to keep it civil, thanks for the reminder, Johnny ;)

[dissention]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Misogynist much? :confused:

:laugh:

HERPES?! C'mon, now! That's B.S.

How many times do I have to tell people that crack is whack???

[Johnny Stew]

Keep it civil.

[4Buck]

See top Line about Epstein Barr:

http://www.joyfullivingservices.com/chronicfatigue.html

Injections and laser surgery can be done right in a doctor's office w/minimal healing time; thus it's not major surgery. Why, how and should these procedures even get reported when the star goes back to work the same day she has the "fix-up" process???
ALL glamorus women entering their twilight years get face-work done to preserve their careers with our overflowing youth -buying market these days............

...........Lucky for us, I guess. Beauty is art, isn't it? :nod:

[Johnny Stew]

I don't think anyone is doubting that it can be done... I believe it's the insinuation that it's a fact that Stevie and Christine have had work done, that people are taking exception to.

Some people do happen to have great genes. The women on my mother's side of the family, are always mistaken to be 10-15 years younger than they are.
I can't even begin to tell you how many people assume my mother is my sister.

If you look at candid close-up pics of Stevie, you will see wrinkles around her brow, eyes, and mouth... if she had Botox treatments, I don't believe these would show, as that's the whole point of Botox, isn't it?
Though I admit that I'm not an expert on the matter.

[Johnny Stew]

Oh, and by the way... male celebrities also use Botox and have cosmetic surgery. It's not solely a "female" thing. :)

[Merf]

4Buck,

I still would like to know where you got that Stevie got Epstein Barr from having herpes.

think people compare Nick's herpes-related Epstein-Barr weight

[Mad4stevie]

Originally posted by 4Buck
See top Line about Epstein Barr:

http://www.joyfullivingservices.com/chronicfatigue.html

Injections and laser surgery can be done right in a doctor's office w/minimal healing time; thus it's not major surgery. Why, how and should these procedures even get reported when the star goes back to work the same day she has the "fix-up" process???
ALL glamorus women entering their twilight years get face-work done to preserve their careers with our overflowing youth -buying market these days............

...........Lucky for us, I guess. Beauty is art, isn't it? :nod:

Well, it may be herpes-related based on the title, but that should not be taken to mean since Stevie had this ailment, she must have herpes! As the article notes, an estimated 75% of those over age 30 have been exposed to this and are carriers.

[gypsysara]

I read somewhere recently about Epstein-Barr and the relation to Herpes (or that some patients had herpes, something like that)... maybe do a Google search?

Botox numbs your skin and nerves. If you have it injected in your brow / forehead, for example, you wouldnt be able to move it up and down afterwards. Its really a small amount of botulisum (sp) to paralyze the nerves, etc. I used to work for Allergan the co. that makes it (that's how I know).

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Oh, and by the way... male celebrities also use Botox and have cosmetic surgery. It's not solely a "female" thing. :)

Thank you!:)

[sulamith]

OK, here comes the anatomy and biology Instructor to attempt to clear this up a bit.

Epstein-Barr virus is one of the members of the Herpes virus family, as is Chicken Pox, shingles, fever blisters, and yes, genital herpes. This family of viruses are attracted to your nervous system, just like the Hepatitis family is attracted to your liver.
The EB virus used to be called mononucleosis, and as many as 95% of people are infected with it, but not everyone shows symptoms. Also, as with all herpes viruses, once you have it, it stays dormant in your body and can be activated by stress, poor diet, etc...

Also, don't forget, Lindsey has it too.

Everyone knows about Lindsey and his particularly bad bout with "mono" in 71 that we now call Epstein Barr. Stevie probably got it from him, as they were a couple then, and has had it for years. As most of you know, it is also called the "kissing disease".

It's hardly anything to stigmatize someone over.

-Sharon

[dissention]

I had Epstein barr and it's a nightmare.

Epstein Barr (chronic fatigue syndrome) and Infectious Mononucleosis are two different things but are related. Epstein Barr is the most widespread virus; over 95% of us will be affected by it by the age of 40.

When you get mono, it's a clear indication that you are at high risk of developing Epstein Barr. Mono *usually* occurs before you get Epstein Barr. While mono usually resolves within a month or two, Epstein Barr can last for years. The germs that affect the throat and blood with mono can lay dormant and then trigger back up and that is when you are afflicted with Epstein Barr. It triggers back up in your saliva.

I was afflicted with the EBV three years ago and it crippled me. My throat was constantly sore, I didn't have the energy to get out of bed in the morning, and I rarely left the house. When I would get up, I could only stand up for a few minutes before I had to sit back down. This was when it was most extreme. I would sleep for 10-12 hours a day with little naps throughout the day. Because my throat was so sore, I could only eat a little at a time, which caused me to lose weight. I was pumping omega acids and garlic into my body constantly. I was taking so many things, I can't even remember all of them. Lecithin, Carotenoids, Acidophilus. Slowly, after about 11 months, I began to get strength back and my doctor put me into physical therapy classes. While I'm still not completely over it (I still sleep a lot and do not have the energy to exercise much at all), I'm a hundred times better than what I was.

Yes, Epstein Barr is a herpes-related illness, but not in the derogatory way in which you posted. It was as if you put it in there for shock value, to support your argument.

[sulamith]

Yes, and there are all those reports of Stevie and her constant colds, flus, sore throats, etc... during the Rumours and Tusk eras. She has likely had it a long time. Since everyone's immune system is different, she may not have realized what it was at the time, especially if it wasn't as bad as Lindsey's. She likely thought she had a really bad case of the flu. There's that article where she is talking about the famous lecture her father gave her right before she and Lindsey went to Aspen. She said her father was concerned about her because "you're always sick".

Her breast implants probably weakened her immune system, which can reactivate this virus.

Chicken pox is herpes-related too, and we have all had that.

I agree with dissention, I think that comment was made to get a certain reaction, and that's unfortunate.

-Sharon

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by sulamith
I agree with dissention, I think that comment was made to get a certain reaction, and that's unfortunate.


I thought that when I read it as well. :(

Thank, by the way for your and Dissention's clarification of EBV. I kind of knew a little about it, but that really helped.

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I thought that when I read it as well. :(

Thank, by the way for your and Dissention's clarification of EBV. I kind of knew a little about it, but that really helped.

Your welcome. :) A few word sof warning: if you ever get mono, fear for your life! The end will be near... :laugh:

[Janet]

I have had mono and I never knew all this info.

I was diagnosed with mono when I was 19. For about 2 years before this, while in high school, I was always sick, tired and had a constant sore throat.

Finally, I just had no energy and I couldn't even swallow...they told me I had mono. I stayed home 1 week only and went back.

I always have sore throats, and energy sometimes is hard to come by. I always blame myself for this, but maybe its more? Im 25 now, I work an extremely physical job, I don't let myself slack around and I always still have sore throats.

My liver isn't in the best shape either, but they told me that back in 1997-who knows what it's doing now. I never go to DR's because I dont have insurance.

In May, after working years of 6-7 day weeks and all that...I got sick again, no energy, felt like mono. I spent $70 to go to a DR and he didn't even take a blood test. I hate DR's ( no offence to anyone)

This same DR gave my mom klonopin about 2 months ago, and she was horrible, she didn't tell anyone she had it. Just now she stopped and shes back to her old self, but she gained some weight and was horrible...trully horrible.

This just makes me think of everything Stevie goes through, must be rough, but what a trooper, shes in good shape, she still goes on and shes proved everyone wrong.

Stevie rocks-thin or fat or whatever. Shes been everything hasn't she and we have loved her in each and every stage. I love OSOTM and she's doped up on klonopin and I love half the songs on Street Angel and she's 175..I mean no matter what she looks like or what she's doing --she always rocks.

[dissention]

That's awful, Janet; I'm so sorry.

Do you still feel crappy? My advice would be to get in touch with your medical insurance company and ask them to refer you to a doctor that has had experience with Mono/Epstein Barr/Chronic Fatigue. That's what I had to do and I found a terrific doctor.

Good luck! :)

[joe]

Back to the free concerts in 1996....

I didn't think the pics were bad...I was at the Boston concert and i was fortunate to be front row and, in my opinion, she did NOT look ill or sound bad as someone had previously pointed out. She sounded a lot clearer than the Street Angel tour. The thing that did bother me though was that she didn't appear to be overly excited or happy and i actually left the concert sort of depressed... but i wouldn't say she looked ill...It's amazing at how different the views are.

However, i will admit, when i saw the Clinton performance i actually was very shocked and sad. I'm sorry, but she did not look like Stevie to me. I really couldn't believe it. Whether it was from medication or not, she looked horrible. She looked the worst i have ever seen her. Those pics that were posted were very good ones of her. I felt like crying cause i always was intrigued by her physical beauty and her cute face and it was gone.

Let's take a moment to forget about all the trauma and medication/drugs etc that she has/was going through....when these people are in the media and we see them, we're not supposed to be psychics and know what is going on with them personally. We just react automatically cause their appearance is the first thing that reaches our senses. When you have someone that for a long time is thin and beautiful (disclaimer-i'm not saying that's the perfect way to be) and then years later they're 50 pounds overweight and it appears that they aren't taking care of themselves, we react unfavorable. I adore Stevie and i recognize that she's had a tough time. She's only human. But, let's be honest people, are we all just supposed to sit back and say "yeah, she looks great!" when she put weight on (years ago) BUT most importantly, her performances seemed uninspired and she seemed to have a bad attitude. Furthermore, her songs at that era (87-94 in my opinion) were not the best of her career, and her voice was not in the best shape either...so, i think looking at everything as a whole is why she's gotten negative press and reaction from fans.

Believe me, i have nothing against overweight people. I have many friends that are overweight and it doesn't bother me whatsoever. It's funny though that people look down on others that smoke, do drugs, or drink. We all have our vices but for some reason it's ok to just overeat. However, that extra weight puts a lot of pressure on your entire body. How many overweight 80 or 90 year olds do you see walking around? I'm not trying to be harsh here but i'm tired of reading people getting so sensitive about other people criticizing her weight. I do agree that there's no reason to be sarcastic about it or mean. That's what i don't like.

I think that a LOT of people out there including people that don't consider themselves fans thought that Stevie was absolutely gorgeous in her heydey and because we have a hard time being emotionally sensitive and tactful, the only thing we know how to do is be blunt and hurtful. When i say "we" i mean society.

Anyway, i'm tired and i need to end this post. I hope i made some sort of sense and that i didn't offend anyone. If i did, i apologize.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by joe
Believe me, i have nothing against overweight people. I have many friends that are overweight and it doesn't bother me whatsoever. It's funny though that people look down on others that smoke, do drugs, or drink. We all have our vices but for some reason it's ok to just overeat. However, that extra weight puts a lot of pressure on your entire body. How many overweight 80 or 90 year olds do you see walking around? I'm not trying to be harsh here but i'm tired of reading people getting so sensitive about other people criticizing her weight. I do agree that there's no reason to be sarcastic about it or mean. That's what i don't like.Well, it's true... a lot of people do look down their noses at people who smoke.
Although I look at it this way... if your habit has the potential of harming ME, then it's not cool.
Second-hand smoke is extremely dangerous to one's health, so yeah, I admit I look down my nose at smoking.
If you wanna kill yourself, fine... go outside, and away from me.
And good God, don't smoke in front of children, whose lungs are small, and who are still growing and developing.

Anyway, enough of that rant... I don't think people feel it's "ok to just overeat."
How many times have people said, "oh, did you see her?? Wow, she really let herself go!"
Or, "that poor thing... she used to be so pretty."
You become the target of all kinds of crass comments and snide remarks when you gain weight.

Look at Stevie, or Ann Wilson, or Delta Burke, or poor Sally Struthers... you'd think these women murdered a puppy or something. All they did was gain some weight.
Big deal.

Even VH1, when discussing Sally Struthers during their 'I Love The 70s' special... what did they do but show a pic of her holding up an entire pizza, with her mouth open wide.

How kind that was.

When Stevie gained weight, I honestly never thought she looked bad because of it.
So she wasn't thin anymore... what did it matter to me?

That she was unhealthy otherwise was not a good thing... but her weight itself should have never mattered.

[strandinthewind]

I agree for the most part. But, I think it is important to remember that it is Stevie who put the emphaisis on the way she looked out there in the first place. She is the one who initially sold herself and her craft as a young, hot looking , sexy female artist (much like the young artists of today in fact only to a lesser extreme). So, when she no longer looked that way, it is only logical that people would go "what happened to that sexy girl," etc.

Disclaimer: I am in no way am I saying that Stevie is not a great songwriter, or that she does not have a good voice, or anything like that. In fact, I think her words and her delivery of them played and still play a significant part of her charm for many if not all people who like ot liked her. I am solely saying that when she prepared the "package" to sell to people, she consciously put sex way up in the front. So, when in many people' eyes that sexiness went away when she gained weight, she should not have been that surprised. In fact, for years (1989-94), she dressed to hide the weight gain in an effort to remain sexy. So, she must have known something.

This example may help me make my point. Assume Bob sees two people at the same time but does not know either of them in any way; they are complete strangers. Person A is Bob's ideal as far as body type, looks, etc. Person B is not and is someone Bob would not be attracted to based on looks only. Bob's eyes will naturally go to the one that is his type. Right or wrong, nine out of ten times that will be a well-built and non-obese person. Having said that, Bob may later learn that Person A (his ideal) is really a jerk and that Person B (his non-ideal) is really Bob's soulmate. How many people in general would give that non-ideal person the time to find that out. Most people would not.

I think the same line of thought can be used for Stevie. If you were used to seeing her slim and hot (most people's ideal) and then she appears onstage 50 or so pounds heavier (most people non-ideal), most people will be turned off and say "what happened to her!" So, while I agree Stevie's weight (not health) did not really affect my opinion of her as a songstress, my eyes did not like seeing her overweight.

I hope that makes sense and I did not come off as a jerk :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by trackaghost
I mean why isn't there a thread saying "John McVie's got old and fat looking"?

:laugh: Well he is no longer hauling out in the 70's shorty shorts :laugh:

Sorry, I just could not resist!!! :cool:

[diamondsnake]

To these people that are saying that she did not look bad at the Clinton concert, did you even see it? I love Stevie so much, but lets not lie. She was very overweight, maybe even obese during this time frame. It was mainly her face, which I think would be the worst place to gain weight. Stevie is sexy now. Sorry to be blunt, but I think she looked really bad. Even though I'm sure her music was pretty good, it is distracting at a conert when you know how gorgeous the person really is. Sorry to offend anyone, but I'm just going to tell it like it is. I am very happy that she lost all that wieght because now she is confident in herself.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I agree for the most part. But, I think it is important to remember that it is Stevie who put the emphaisis on the way she looked out there in the first place. She is the one who initially sold herself and her craft as a young, hot looking , sexy female artist (much like the young artists of today in fact only to a lesser extreme). So, when she no longer looked that way, it is only logical that people would go "what happened to that sexy girl," etc.I don't feel at all that Stevie "sold herself" as sexy and hot looking, or intentionally put an emphasis on that.
Sure, she dressed and danced onstage in a very feminine way, but it was the public and the media who put that "sex symbol" status on her.
Stevie was just doing her thing. She's often said over the years that she knew people thought she was cute and all, but that it was her songwriting that she wanted people to take notice of. She even said something to the effect of, "no one can be cute forever."

Stevie is a sexy woman, and that was apparent, even under all that chiffon, and all of those scarves and shawls.
I think... like most everyone in this world... she did want to look attractive and be sexy... but I don't think she ever "sold" herself in those regards. Being thought of as a sex-symbol was just a byproduct of all that.

[Sugar]

I for one couldn't care less about Stevie's weight. It was that stiff-satin-monsterous-hat-Madonna-type-cross-wearing-heavy-layered thing she was doing when she was putting on the weight in the 90's that drove me nuts. It was like she became a caricature of herself around the BTM days and such. ICK! It just didn't seem true to her. And if she thought she was hiding the weight with all that crap--she should have fired all her assistants!

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I don't feel at all that Stevie "sold herself" as sexy and hot looking, or intentionally put an emphasis on that.
Sure, she dressed and danced onstage in a very feminine way, but it was the public and the media who put that "sex symbol" status on her.
Stevie was just doing her thing. She's often said over the years that she knew people thought she was cute and all, but that it was her songwriting that she wanted people to take notice of. She even said something to the effect of, "no one can be cute forever."

Stevie is a sexy woman, and that was apparent, even under all that chiffon, and all of those scarves and shawls.
I think... like most everyone in this world... she did want to look attractive and be sexy... but I don't think she ever "sold" herself in those regards. Being thought of as a sex-symbol was just a byproduct of all that.

I see your point, but do not agree with your conclusion. I think Stevie clearly knew and still knows how to use her looks to sell her and FM's great music. I think her quotes over the years support my point. She said after the BN cover, she was so mortified, that she essentially said, well I am still going to be sexy - I'll just bury myself under a 100 pounds of chiffon to do it. Then there was the one about how she did not consider herself sexy but she knew she was cute and she knew exactly how far to take that image. I think underlying meaning of these quotes (paraphrases) illustrates she knew the importance of sex appeal when selling something (no matter how great it is) to the masses and she consciously molded her image to present herself in the sexiest way. Again, she was still doing this during the S.A. tour because she knew that appearing in clothes that made her look large would kill that image she admitted she had worked so hard to project. Then there was the line in her BTM that she felt so bad that she could not be the Stevie that everyone expected, etc. Even now, she never allows releases of candid photographs; every one is highly touched up to rid her of the wrinkles, etc., that most other women her age have a million more of. In sum, I agree the public ate her sex appeal up with a vengence and that she naturally exudes this sex appeal, but I think she wisely consciously put it even more so out there and by her own admissions her image did not just happen without any thought. So, yes, she is/was a very beautiful and sexy woman and it would be and have been hard for her to have not been sexy. I am just saying she knew how to work that sexiness to her advantage and I have no problem with that. In fact, I admire it.

Also, she is not alone in that boat. LB clearly also has clearly used sex to sell his already great music. I mean you cannot get sexier than the cover of Law and Order. Then there was the dramatic fashion change from Rumors to Tusk.

I guess what I am saying is that while they are both very sexy people as well as very, very musically talented, etc., they both, esp. Stevie, realize the power of crafting an image and their image was 100 + sexiness to my eyes.

But, that is my opinion and I respect other opinion no matter how wrong I think they are - he says while going puff puff and with tongue in cheek :laugh:

[4Buck]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
So, yes, she is/was a very beautiful and sexy woman and it would be and have been hard for her to have not been sexy. I am just saying she knew how to work that sexiness to her advantage and I have no problem with that. In fact, I admire it.

Also, she is not alone in that boat. LB clearly also has clearly used sex to sell his already great music. I mean you cannot get sexier than the cover of Law and Order. Then there was the dramatic fashion change from Rumors to Tusk.

I guess what I am saying is that while they are both very sexy people as well as very, very musically talented, etc., they both, esp. Stevie, realize the power of crafting an image and their image was 100 + sexiness to my eyes.

But, that is my opinion and I respect other opinion no matter how wrong I think they are - he says while going puff puff and with tongue in cheek :laugh:

You are right.

Here is what Nicks was saying years and years ago:

USA Today
August 16, 1994

Nicks Shedding Gypsy Ways
by Shawn Sell

……………………..She stopped smoking "December 12," she says, and her voice has never been in better shape.........
............Movies maybe? TV? "Absolutely not!" she says. "I can't stand to have a camera right in my face, always having to worry, 'Is this the best side of me or is that?' I can't even stand to do videos any anymore." .................................

She also can’t abide talk about her weight, which has been on the up side in recent years. "When you're as short as I am (5-foot-1), 10 extra pounds makes you look totally blown up."
The story about her manager who became an ex-employee when he told her she had to lose 20 pounds or forfeit her career is true, she says. "But then," she adds with a laugh, "I did lose the 20 pounds." ..................................

"It hurts me," she adds. "It hurts my heart to hear people say these sorts of things about me. As if, unless you look a certain way, your music is not important anymore. I'm 46. I am who I am." ……………………………

It's that self-sufficiency that defines Nicks in the '90s. "I've been around too long not to be happy with myself, and I'm enjoying being by myself," she says adding there is "no one special in my life now." (As for long ago beau Lindsey Buckingham: "He doesn't speak to me; we don't speak at all actually. He only played at the inauguration because I called him on the phone and begged him.")


Creem 1982

Stevie Nicks, Macrame Goddess: Confronting the Gates of Elmo
By Sylvie Simmons

" "My voice is alright now. I worked a long time on it. But a year is too long--I could probably tour six months a year solid, but I cannot tour for 12. I'm not 18, you know. It gets harder and harder to be wonderful every night in front of all those kids that you're 15 years older than. I'd like to tour for two months on and two months off. Three weeks off doesn't cut it.

"I can't even get all my clothes unpacked and cleaned and packed again in three weeks.

"Otherwise it's not fair to the people you're playing for. I don't want a tired Stevie walking out onstage and trying to do 'Rhiannon' when I'm dead. You can never call in sick. You can be on the side of the stage with terrible cramps and all of a sudden you've got 30 seconds to try not to even let that come into your head. I've seen a lot of concerts that because of extreme exhaustion aren't special. For me there's nothing I'd rather do than go to a great rock concert. But there's nothing I'd rather not do than go to a rock concert by a great band that isn't good."

[4Buck]

She's tried to stop smoking before, and she was tired 20 years ago, already. A shame.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by 4Buck
You are right.

Here is what Nicks was saying years and years ago:

USA Today
August 16, 1994

Nicks Shedding Gypsy Ways
by Shawn Sell

……………………..She stopped smoking "December 12," she says, and her voice has never been in better shape.........
............Movies maybe? TV? "Absolutely not!" she says. "I can't stand to have a camera right in my face, always having to worry, 'Is this the best side of me or is that?' I can't even stand to do videos any anymore." .................................

She also can’t abide talk about her weight, which has been on the up side in recent years. "When you're as short as I am (5-foot-1), 10 extra pounds makes you look totally blown up."
The story about her manager who became an ex-employee when he told her she had to lose 20 pounds or forfeit her career is true, she says. "But then," she adds with a laugh, "I did lose the 20 pounds." ..................................

"It hurts me," she adds. "It hurts my heart to hear people say these sorts of things about me. As if, unless you look a certain way, your music is not important anymore. I'm 46. I am who I am." ……………………………

It's that self-sufficiency that defines Nicks in the '90s. "I've been around too long not to be happy with myself, and I'm enjoying being by myself," she says adding there is "no one special in my life now." (As for long ago beau Lindsey Buckingham: "He doesn't speak to me; we don't speak at all actually. He only played at the inauguration because I called him on the phone and begged him.")


Creem 1982

Stevie Nicks, Macrame Goddess: Confronting the Gates of Elmo
By Sylvie Simmons

" "My voice is alright now. I worked a long time on it. But a year is too long--I could probably tour six months a year solid, but I cannot tour for 12. I'm not 18, you know. It gets harder and harder to be wonderful every night in front of all those kids that you're 15 years older than. I'd like to tour for two months on and two months off. Three weeks off doesn't cut it.

"I can't even get all my clothes unpacked and cleaned and packed again in three weeks.

"Otherwise it's not fair to the people you're playing for. I don't want a tired Stevie walking out onstage and trying to do 'Rhiannon' when I'm dead. You can never call in sick. You can be on the side of the stage with terrible cramps and all of a sudden you've got 30 seconds to try not to even let that come into your head. I've seen a lot of concerts that because of extreme exhaustion aren't special. For me there's nothing I'd rather do than go to a great rock concert. But there's nothing I'd rather not do than go to a rock concert by a great band that isn't good."


Even though I agree that she should just be herself, I am so glad she lost the weight. It was almost like she was at an unhealthy weight at one point. And I'm sure she is much happier now!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
To these people that are saying that she did not look bad at the Clinton concert, did you even see it? I love Stevie so much, but lets not lie. She was very overweight, maybe even obese during this time frame. It was mainly her face, which I think would be the worst place to gain weight. Stevie is sexy now. Sorry to be blunt, but I think she looked really bad. Even though I'm sure her music was pretty good, it is distracting at a conert when you know how gorgeous the person really is. Sorry to offend anyone, but I'm just going to tell it like it is. I am very happy that she lost all that wieght because now she is confident in herself.
Tell me something... have you ever been overweight? Obese? Stevie did get heavy but I would never class her as obese. Who gives a hit how much someone weighs anyway? last year I lost over 70lbs and I have struggled with my weight for most of my life. But I'm still the same person I was back then... people still love me for the same reasons they did not just because I am thinner. This probably sounds very rude and 'm sorry if it does but how can someone weight affect you as to how much you enjoy a concert?? Get over it!

Pip

[4Buck]

I think because Buckingham, Christine, Fleetwood and John (who's thinner now than during the DANCE) are all/were slim, Nicks stands out. That and the fact when it's 90-something degrees in stadiums and she wears layers and layers of warm-looking (BLACK!) clothes, calls attention to her weight, rather than conceals it.

The thing is, whether anyone likes it or not, heavy people are going to be ostracized the way smokers have been. They're first working on the obese children, but obese children get this way mostly from the overweight moms feeding them the wrong foods, or mothers giving the children money for high-calorie fast foods.

Heavy people always claim that it's medication that puts on the pounds, and to some extent it is. But alcohol (especially!) candy, fried foods or chips in combination with the drugs exacerbate this.

The common retort from a fat person when someone criticizes her weight is that she doesn't eat much ....but then you see her chug down a few glasses of beer, drink wine (5 oz glass is 100 calories, folks!), eat a complete bag of Cheetos or carton of ice cream at one sitting, and you know she's fabricating. It's a lifestyle she's choosing, rather than something she can't help.....and short women can't eat as much as tall women, without gaining weight.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
I think because Buckingham, Christine, Fleetwood and John (who's thinner now than during the DANCE) are all/were slim, Nicks stands out. That and the fact when it's 90-something degrees in stadiums and she wears layers and layers of warm-looking (BLACK!) clothes, calls attention to her weight, rather than conceals it.

The thing is, whether anyone likes it or not, heavy people are going to be ostracized the way smokers have been. They're first working on the obese children, but obese children get this way mostly from the overweight moms feeding them the wrong foods, or mothers giving the children money for high-calorie fast foods.

Heavy people always claim that it's medication that puts on the pounds, and to some extent it is. But alcohol (especially!) candy, fried foods or chips in combination with the drugs exacerbate this.

The common retort from a fat person when someone criticizes her weight is that she doesn't eat much ....but then you see her chug down a few glasses of beer, drink wine (5 oz glass is 100 calories, folks!), eat a complete bag of Cheetos or carton of ice cream at one sitting, and you know she's fabricating. It's a lifestyle she's choosing, rather than something she can't help.....and short women can't eat as much as tall women, without gaining weight.
Um... men get fat too! LOL! And I personally have never claimed anything other than my own greed caused me to be fat. Having said that I certainly didn't choose the lifestyle but there are other factors in my life that added to this. Your statement is somewhat sweeping IMO

Pip


Pip

[dissention]

Originally posted by 4Buck
The thing is, whether anyone likes it or not, heavy people are going to be ostracized the way smokers have been. They're first working on the obese children, but obese children get this way mostly from the overweight moms feeding them the wrong foods, or mothers giving the children money for high-calorie fast foods.

Heavy people always claim that it's medication that puts on the pounds, and to some extent it is. But alcohol (especially!) candy, fried foods or chips in combination with the drugs exacerbate this.

The common retort from a fat person when someone criticizes her weight is that she doesn't eat much ....but then you see her chug down a few glasses of beer, drink wine (5 oz glass is 100 calories, folks!), eat a complete bag of Cheetos or carton of ice cream at one sitting, and you know she's fabricating. It's a lifestyle she's choosing, rather than something she can't help.....and short women can't eat as much as tall women, without gaining weight.

That is the most stereotypical and generalized statement I've ever read. To lump all these people into one view isn't fair or even remotely true.

Have you ever heard of a little thing called *metabolism*? I know several people, including past roomates, who didn't eat much at all, even restricted carbohydrate intake, and they still gained weight. It has nothing to do with all fat or obese people eating wrong; it has to do with their bodies. It's wrong to say that the reason these people are fat is because of the way they eat; it just isn't true.

Medications can play a huge part in weight gain. When i was on antidepressants, I gained a lot of weight. I knew going in that I would gain a little, but to the extent that I did. So what did I do? I forced myself to eat healthy. Bread & Circus was my second home. I never touched fried foods, fast food, candy, sugar, or red meat. But, I *still* gained weight. Why? In part because of my medication and in part because of my metabolism. I've since gone off the medication and lost all of the weight.

Also, you need to have some perspectivw when you talk about people who say they don't eat much but then pig out. Have you ever heard of eating disorders? Overeating is one of them and is a medical condition.

What you posted is unfair and I'm sorry you feel that way about overweight people. The people like you who have such opinions about people with extra pounds are the ones who should be educated on metabolism and the human body and it's psyche; you seem to have no grasp of either.

[gldstwmn]

I have to agree with dissention and Pip. From a personal point of view, I haven't had a drop of alcohol in six years, don't eat fried food and exercise every day. I was told by several physicians that the medication I was on directly contributed to weight gain. Your rant sounds more like a personal dislike of women in general.

[strandinthewind]

and let us not forget age is not your friend in the weight gain/loss arena!!!!!!!! :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
and let us not forget age is not your friend in the weight gain/loss arena!!!!!!!! :laugh:

So true. It's harder now than it was five years ago. Also, I/most people seem to be more prone to injury.

[4Buck]

It's every woman's option to not get married to the wrong man, not have children, not to be in a job they don't want to be in. There would be no need for "happy" medication, then,....................No need for "Prozac Mommies."

.........A way to avoid that would to be just change your lifestyle. It's that simple..........

...Nicks could have chosen to lead an easier life, but she chose to be in the limelight. She wasn't happy being Buckingham's muse in the background; she wanted to be on stage with guys lusting after her. Yeah, LB wanted her on stage, but she enjoyed being the focal point, as she could have refused LB's offer to perform on stage with him. But then she wasn't happy with being a star on the stage, either. She'd get too tired........

.....At Nicks' stage of the game, she could be a full-time producer, and be out of the limelight completely, but she needs so much help. .......TISL cd had one or two co-producers work with her for almost every song, and she relies on Buckingham to produce all her work for Fleetwood Mac. Of course, producing is extremely stressful. Buckingham can vouch to this (Phil Spector, also!), but Nicks wouldn't have to worry about which camera angle is more flattering to her.......

......As for being anti-woman - that's nonsense, as I'm a woman myself.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
It's every woman's option to not get married to the wrong man, not have children, not to be in a job they don't want to be in. There would be no need for "happy" medication, then,....................No need for "Prozac Mommies."

.........A way to avoid that would to be just change your lifestyle. It's that simple..........


You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Pip

[strandinthewind]

I also think the other thing to remember about weight is that people are different and they gain and lose in different ways and for different reasons. Within the last year I lost over 80 pounds. I did it through a ton of exercise and a modified diet - but most people do not have the three or more hours a day I spent at the gym nor do they have the means to bring food with them pretty much everywhere they go like I did. So, I say do whatever is healthy and works for you and if you are not your ideal weight today, just keep at it - you eventually will get there. Most importantly, slipping up every now and then is perfectly okay as we are all human. Food for thought so to speak!!!!

[sulamith]

Strandie, Check your PM's!

I know this is horribly un-PC, but it's important!

-Sharon

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I also think the other thing to remember about weight is that people are different and they gain and lose in different ways and for different reasons. Within the last year I lost over 80 pounds. I did it through a ton of exercise and a modified diet - but most people do not have the three or more hours a day I spent at the gym nor do they have the means to bring food with them pretty much everywhere they go like I did. So, I say do whatever is healthy and works for you and if you are not your ideal weight today, just keep at it - you eventually will get there. Most importantly, slipping up every now and then is perfectly okay as we are all human. Food for thought so to speak!!!!
Well done with your weight loss!!!

Pip

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by 4Buck
It's every woman's option to not get married to the wrong man, not have children, not to be in a job they don't want to be in. There would be no need for "happy" medication, then,....................No need for "Prozac Mommies." .........A way to avoid that would to be just change your lifestyle. It's that simple..........


You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? You have no idea what mental illness means to the many people all over the globe who have mental illnesses like depression, Im talking about numerous documented generations where its a historical thing. You may want to educate yourself and maybe talk to someone who is going through it, it seems to me you are talking down on people who legitimatly need help. Like a "grow up and deal" attitude. Sometimes its not so easy.

I'd like to see YOU do a total 180 from your current lifestyle, then tell me how "simple" it truly was to do that. I highly doubt its simple, at least in the area where I live in, it wouldnt be that easy... things have to be taken care of, bills have to be paid. Sure I'd love to go make CDs or tape concerts for a living, but that's why its WORK. All's Im saying here is I dont think it would be as simple as you portray it to be. Perhaps it is, but if I were to do that personally it would be next to impossible. However, I like my job and have a good life so I have no complaints.

Not trying to attack you Buck, but I have the utmost sympathy and respect for those trying to better their lives and if they need medication to help them, so be it.

Pip, Im proud of you... I used to weigh almost 200 lbs... now im around 135... (gained weight this summer and currently dieting)... so 10 lbs to go and Im set. Good for you Pip!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by gypsysara




Pip, Im proud of you... I used to weigh almost 200 lbs... now im around 135... (gained weight this summer and currently dieting)... so 10 lbs to go and Im set. Good for you Pip!
Well done Stephanie!! It's a contant battle tho eh? I have gained around 18lbs of what I lost and I'm dieting again to be sure it doesn't creep up even more. Good luck with your last 10lbs... I know you can do it!

Pip

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by 4Buck

......As for being anti-woman - that's nonsense, as I'm a woman myself.

:laugh: So? I've seen plenty of women be anti-woman, more so than men sometimes. I hope nothing bad ever happens to you.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Well done with your weight loss!!!

Pip

Thanks!!!!

I really was not that hard for me once I put my mind to it as I am pretty hard headed at times!!!!!! The hardest part to me was portion control, which for me was the most important thing. I mean who the hell wants to eat just a small slice of anything fattening!!!!! :laugh:

[gypsysara]

Yes, my weight can fluxuate... after I got really big (around age 23-27), then back down to where I should be... I was ok for a while, but then I noticed as Im getting into my 30's its easier to gain weight and harder to lose it. But I also know it CAN be done, just takes persistence and exersise. Ive fluxuated around 10-20 lbs... and since Im a woman, each month brings that "special time" where I gain a little/lose a little anyway. Just as long as I dont get TOO big again... yikes. Nothing WRONG with larger people, mind you, but just not the healthy choice for me personally. Good luck to you too Pip ~ I really mean that.

I guess in general Im a compassionate person... so hence why Ill defend things like Stevie's weight gain (and loss, and gain and loss) and medicines to help the mind. Like Sheryl Crow sings "If it makes you happy, it cant be that bad!"

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Tell me something... have you ever been overweight? Obese? Stevie did get heavy but I would never class her as obese. Who gives a hit how much someone weighs anyway? last year I lost over 70lbs and I have struggled with my weight for most of my life. But I'm still the same person I was back then... people still love me for the same reasons they did not just because I am thinner. This probably sounds very rude and 'm sorry if it does but how can someone weight affect you as to how much you enjoy a concert?? Get over it!

Obese means that you weigh 30 pouns overweight and she did! She said that she weighed 175 pounds and is only 5 feet tall, which is very short. Plus, it is not her fault. She was on medication at the time, which can make you gain wieght. I am just saying she did not look that great. Maybe it is just because I am comparing her to who I see now. She looks great now!

Pip

[diamondsnake]

Maybe we should all agree to disagree. We aren't even talking about Stevie anymore. But I think we can all agree that she is the best singer in the world, regardless of how much she used to weigh! Also, I do think it is a bit strange that some people won't admit that she looks better now that she lost the weight then she did back during the street angel days. I think it is pretty obvious and I am very happy for her because I'm sure it gives her a lot more confidence which is a quality I can clearly see in her today.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by trackaghost


Say Stevie was ugly, would that mean you wouldn't like her music? Even if Rhiannon, Dreams and Gypsy sounded exactly the same?

It's a strange old world I tell ya....

I have often asked myself that. I concluded I do not know the answer because I equate her music so much with her image, esp in live performances and in videos. For example, every single time I hear Gypsy, I think of her dancing in the bar, then the rain, then in front of the mirror, then in the woods with the kids, etc. But then, when I hear CM, I do not think of images at all, just the great music and her happy words. Same for LB - I never automatically associate his image with his music. So, I guess that means I would like SN if I never saw her or, for that matter, watched her on video at least five times a day for like 15 years (hyperbole) :laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by trackaghost
Say Stevie was ugly, would that mean you wouldn't like her music? Even if Rhiannon, Dreams and Gypsy sounded exactly the same?

If she looked like Sally Kirkland does these days, I'd still love her just as much. :laugh:

When i first heard her, I had never seen her before in my life. The lyrics were just so beautiful and her voice was MESMERIZING. I just remember thinking that this woman had the most amazing voices I'd ever heard. I kept hearing her songs all over the radio (I knew it was her everytime because her voice is unmistakable) and I eventually bought everything she was attached to. So, I was a fan before I even saw what she looked like! It wouldn't matter how she looks; the music and the voice is just the same. :D

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by dissention
If she looked like Sally Kirkland does these days, I'd still love her just as much. :laugh:

I love ole Sally!!!!!!!! :laugh: She hauls out every year for the Academy Awards with such flair even if she has no clue where or who she is!!!! :laugh:

[dissention]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I love ole Sally!!!!!!!! :laugh: She hauls out every year for the Academy Awards with such flair even if she has no clue where or who she is!!!! :laugh:

You got that right! Some of the things she wears...oy vey. :laugh:

I still think it is a CRIME that she didn't win back in '87 for "Anna." Her performance was possibly one of the best ever put on film; simply brialliant.

[The Catdancer]

Originally posted by dissention
If she looked like Sally Kirkland does these days, I'd still love her just as much. :laugh:

When i first heard her, I had never seen her before in my life. The lyrics were just so beautiful and her voice was MESMERIZING. I just remember thinking that this woman had the most amazing voices I'd ever heard. I kept hearing her songs all over the radio (I knew it was her everytime because her voice is unmistakable) and I eventually bought everything she was attached to. So, I was a fan before I even saw what she looked like! It wouldn't matter how she looks; the music and the voice is just the same. :D

Same here, dissention. I didn't even know who she was when I heard Rhiannon on the radio but the song and her voice kept coming back to me. It wasn't untill I saw GYOW on tv that I recognized her voice from Rhiannon. That she looked good and sexy and all that was cool but not the main reason why I liked her. I liked her voice and her songs.

As for the weight, I don't care how she looks, I do care about her health and happiness. In the Room On Fire video she's pretty overweighed but she looks happy. That's all that matters: her happiness, her songs, her voice and her health. Who cares wether she's sexy or not?! She's a natural beauty and she can't help that.
Debbie

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

In my opinion beauty comes from within.

Pip

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by trackaghost
Yeah she looks better but on the other hand a lot of people think the Street Angel tour was her best in years, that she sounded incredible on it and was performing better than ever.

You seem to like her more because she is "sexy" than the music. Sure its a nice package deal to be good looking and talented but in 20 years time I bet ya Stevie won't have her looks anymore (if she's still around - I hope so), it happens to us all and no amount of dieting or Botox can stop it. Will you stop liking her because she has wrinkles and is no longer "cute"?
Weird, weird, weird!

When you listen to Rhiannon, it doesn't matter how Stevie looks, its how she SOUNDS and how good the SONGWRITING is...
It seems so obvious to me, I just don't understand it at all.
:distress:

Say Stevie was ugly, would that mean you wouldn't like her music? Even if Rhiannon, Dreams and Gypsy sounded exactly the same?

It's a strange old world I tell ya....


I guess I really don't know. I knew what she looked like before I even heard her sing. The first time I experienced Stevie was on the Dance video. But then again, if looks were all that mattered I would be on a Brittney Spears board.

[GeminiStar03]

I couldn't believe how she was treated when she was going through that weight problem. I really didn't see anything wrong with her and I thought that she looked so cute! How can anyone disrespect someone so beautiful? I thinks it's so disgusting how the media always wants women to be these lil thin perfect things! It is so apalling--however u spell that, and I can't take it anymore. I constantly think i'm not good enough b/c of how the media is so fixated(can't spell)on how women should look. I know how Stevie felt b/c I know that growing up I was called disgusting b/c of my weight...It still hurts to think about it...:distress: Anyway, I just am glad that Stevie was so strong and she held her head high, knowing that she did have some problems...My poor Stevie...I think that there is nothing wrong with Stevie being any size, she's talented and beautiful...Did anyone ever find out how Lindsey felt about her weight? I heard that he was not too keen on it and that is something that makes me MAD. I actually think that he had no problem with her b/c she's amazing!

Here's a pic I found of Stevie back when she was put down cause of herself being a cute lil chubby bunny...Ain't she adorable!?
http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/11322650/PN013383.jpg

.:*KIM*:.

[strandinthewind]

See, although her face is thinner, I do not think her waist is that much thinner now - and I think she loloks great if not cherubic in that pic!!!!

[GeminiStar03]

Hmm...I think you may be right on Stevie being about the same size in that pic and now...Let me find a good pic of Stevie now...
http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksDC01.jpg *Whistles* Now that is one hot mum there...LOL! I think that Stevie is thinner then she was in that other pic I posted but that doesn't matter b/c Stevie is Stevie and she so special!

.:*KIM*:.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
I thinks it's so disgusting how the media always wants women to be these lil thin perfect things! It is so apalling--however u spell that, and I can't take it anymore. I constantly think i'm not good enough b/c of how the media is so fixated(can't spell)on how women should look. I know how Stevie felt b/c I know that growing up I was called disgusting b/c of my weight...It still hurts to think about it...:distress: Anyway, I just am glad that Stevie was so strong and she held her head high, knowing that she did have some problems
.:*KIM*:.

amen sista lol....I won't blame my self esteem problems totally on the media...BUT, as I'm learning in my public opinion and propaganda class...the media do play a very large roll in the way we think and feel...interesting stuff...and I've been working my ass off all summer at the gym and trying to eat better just so I don't feel like a complete blob walking down campus with all of the mostly naked girls

No matter what people are saying, Stevie was never OBESE...please...there is a man in my town that literally can't hold himself up anymore...he's got this walker contraption...his stomach hangs down to his knees...THAT is obese...Yes she looks fabulous today...and she's gone through some bad times...but why is her weight even such an issue? I just don't get it..she still made good music...she still had her great voice...:shrug:

[strandinthewind]

I was think that if Stevie had just gained the weight from 1989 to 1994 and never been so spaced out on Klonopin and who knows what else (she has said Prozac and Vallium), would she still have gotten the flack for the weight? I think probably so because Delta Burke and other beautiful woman like Stevie all suffered the same weight fate, although Delta had mental issues as well.

[gldstwmn]

I think it says a lot about our culture when stomach stapling has become a new fad.

[GeminiStar03]

Well, I just think that was my problem for my low self esteem b/c i'm one of those girls that looks through mags a lot and when I c one of those models, I start to compare myself...I've been doing that since I was in like 7th grade and I think that with all the fake women walking around in Hollywood, that is sick. Did u all know that a size 6 in Hollywood is considered fat? Yup, I heard it on Access Hollywood! Like when one of those chicks from Alley Mcbeal--not Calista, but the first blonde, she had gotten sick and then lost all this weight--and critics were applauding her! Isn't that disgusting? The woman was ill and they applauded that b/c she lost this huge amount of weight! I don't even know what size I am anymore b/c I just wear skirts all the time now...I think i'm a size 11 but i'm not too positive...I'm always afraid to tell people in chatrooms what my weight is b/c they alllllways have to ask! I told some guy once and he told me to go away and never IM him again! Yeah, it hurt and I really can't stand it anymore...

.:*KIM*:.

[strandinthewind]

A size 11 is well below the national average, which I think but am not sure is 16 or 18. So, do not anyone else bring you down!

[GeminiStar03]

Yeah, that's what I think my pants size is now but when I was put down for my weight I was like a 14 and 16--i believe. That was in the years '96-'98 and when I finally got in to HS, I went down to like a 12 and now i've graduated and I think that i'm an 11. All I know is that i'm a M in skirt size now...I still think that I need to loose a lot more weight, if I want my music career:(


.:*KIM*:.

[DrummerDeanna]

That sucks...I know that I am not fat, BUT there is still a part of me that like hangs on to this notion that I am...because, like Gemini said we are bombared with images of "perfect" thin women...but I don't want to live like I'd have to to be that horribly thin...

I just don't think that the whole skeletal look is attractive..and I find it sad that we live in such a shallow society...a good friend of mine lived in El Salvador for three years where she was constantly told she was too skinny...it was a sign of health and good fortune to be "bigger" and I was like...man..that's where I gotta go lol!!!

I can also remember thinking I was fat from around age 7...it's just sad what this society does to young girls...

[GeminiStar03]

Yeah, I think that it makes women look ill when they look so thin...My theatre teacher tried to perk us up one day by saying that there's no problem with being a size 14--she said that the girls on "Friends" look gross...lol...The thing is, the next year like when I became a JR.--she was eating these low fat and carb bars that make you thinner...I was like, "Ok Ms.Dabelow, you said that it does not matter if you're a size 14 and now you're trying to get thinner then you were?" It was weird b/c like she had died her hair this blonde blonde and her whole attitude changed...I think that was b/c of her new "boyfriend" though...*Rolls eyes* Most men screw up everything...LOL! Anyway, I'm just saying that those models on Tv and in the magazines, I would like to be some of them--but not the ones that are like bones. What is so stupid about them, is that their "cup size" is like not even their real size--they're implants. I actually don't know why Stevie had put in implants when she was perfect the way she was? That kind of bothered me in a way b/c I saw Stevie as like this woman that didn't care what she looked like and she just wanted to be her. I'm glad that she's not fake now but she never actually was but those implants were--i'm glad she got rid of them. I like the women artists that don't care what cup size they are, like Sheryl Crow and Annie Lennox:nod: Anyway, living down in Florida now is like different then Illinois b/c like all these thin women are walking around with these hot surfer boys and I know that none of those guys would be interested in me, so what's the use in trying? I never had a boyfriend and it's probably b/c they want a "thin thin" girl...

.:*KIM*:.

[diamondsnake]

You guys make it sound like woman are the only ones who are put down for their weight. I think it is really hard for us men too. If I have to see one more guy with a six pack, huge muscular arms, and huge pecs I'm going to vomit. I think it is maybe worse for you girls, but not that much worse. I mean, maybe it is a little more taboo to discuss a man's weight and woman get picked on a lot more, but it is still very hard for us. Or at least I find myself saying, "If I could only look like...." I think that everyone suffers from thinking this kind of stuff though.

[strandinthewind]

I think everyone wants to be healthy and happy, which is usually associated with being thin, which is not necessarily true all of the time. I mean, I think the girls on Friends look okay - I do not think they are too thin. I equate Lara Flynn Boyle (sp.?) with skeletal - but she says that is just how she is buiilt. I know a girl like that and Mick Fleetwood was like that when he was younger.

Also, I try never to begrudge other people who really work on their bodies and look what I think is great for it. A good example of this would be Stevie, Madonna, Antonio J. Sabato, Jr., to name a few. If that is what they are into "who am I to keep [them] down?" I just think it stinks when I try to hold myself to that standard and, therefore, have an unreasonable expectation of my body, the time I am willing to put into it, the fact that I like to eat alot, etc. Yet, I, like everyone I know, always strive to look better and I usually judge "better" by a picture in a magazine, which kind of sucks I think, but I still find myself doing it .:confused:

[GeminiStar03]

After all of this talk on here, there is a special on Access Hollywood about Actresses that struggle in this business--IT'S AWFUL! You never see a special with the men that are not "up to par" in Hollywood and their weight! It's always the women and i'm sick of it! Yes, men can and do have that problem but it's mostly the women and I dislike it! When I was at the American Idol's audition, there was this really nice girl that was overweight and no one would talk to her! She had a nice voice and a great personality but no one would talk to her--it was so sad! She would like smile at someone and they would not even smile back! I know that she goes through what I used to b/c one of my nicknames was "earthquake." I remember this one girl asked this one boy if he would go out with me and he said, "No, she's too chubby." That felt awful and I grew to hate myself but it's going better for me now.
I'm still watching the show right now and it's so sad how like some of these actress were put down like Stevie:distress: It's so sad and no one should have to go through that! I think that it's not fair that men can be whatever size they want and it's "ok." I mean, yes, men do get ridiculed but not like us women. I look at like music vids and there's men that are extrememly heavy and they have these thin and sexy women hanging on them! Now, would that happen in real life? No, not unless the woman was a...u know...A woman that gives out...Anyway, I don't know if that came across right but at least I know what i'm talking about...I'm wondering if Stevie will be on this show but I doubt it...Oh, one more thing...Jamie Lee Curtis--she's so great! I mean, she came out and said that she's not perfect. I know that when my dad saw her on Jay Leno this recently he was like, "What happened to her? She's so big." I blew up in his face. I'm not sure if he was joking but he seemed serious...Anyway, I think that the media sucks but I still want to be part of it--I want to help change it.:nod:

.:*KIM*:.

[MissJanet]

Did you know what these Hollywood beauties do to be that thin? On the Ally McBeal set the actresses exposed themselfes to an indian virus to get ill for 2 weeks, so they would loose alot of weight, they ate cotton swaps rolled in orange juice to have something in their stomachs at all and more than one of them consumed cocaine to stand the hunger. Calista Flockheart collapsed more than once because of "exhaustion" and "dehydration" on the set. Insiders said that it was a suprise that all the leadactresses survived the 4th season.
The only actress who did not wanted to ruin her health was the one who was in Melrose Place before, she quit the job... good for her. Isn't that all madness?

[dissention]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Oh, one more thing...Jamie Lee Curtis--she's so great! I mean, she came out and said that she's not perfect. I know that when my dad saw her on Jay Leno this recently he was like, "What happened to her? She's so big." I blew up in his face. I'm not sure if he was joking but he seemed serious...Anyway, I think that the media sucks but I still want to be part of it--I want to help change it.:nod:

.:*KIM*:.

OMG! Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the most naturally beautiful woman I've ever seen. That one has so much confidence and gusto that she just oozes sexiness, IMO.

I remember about six months ago when she did a magazine spread and I just remember thinking to myself "This is one class-act!!" She took one full-page picture where she was all done up with make-up and a girdle, an expensive designer dress, and lots of airbrushing. Then, on the next page, she did another full-page photo. Only this time, she wouldn't wear any make-up or let it be airbrushed and she just stood there in her underwear. She said she did it to show people out there that the people in movies are just like every other human being and they all have flaws. She said that she finds it sickening how these actresses out there project themselves perfect when they aren't and are setting bad examples. Then, she proceeded to point out her body parts that were especially "normal": her hips, her thighs, her tummy. She just ROCKS!

She did an interview on E! where she got *really* angry about infomercials, too. She said she is disgusted by these size 0 bimbos who go on TV to advertise a product to vulnerable people. She said that it made her sick when she heard them say that a certain product would change someones life.

A class-act all the way, Kim! :D

[gldstwmn]

I like Jamie Lee Curtis anyway. But I really admired her for coming out and saying "I'm not perfect" and then illustating it with pictures. That was gutsy.

[GeminiStar03]

Yup, i bought that More magazine when it came out the first day...LOL! I but like all the mags that have people I like on them...Anyway, yeah, I showed my theatre teacher that article and she said that she rocks...LOL! My teacher then borrowed it and copied the article and the pics for her class...When she showed the pics, everyone was like: "Ewwww..." I think that was so awful when I heard her class did that...Then in my English class, I was sitting in my seat and drawing a pic of Jamie for my artclass and this teacher that was a sub, she came up and started talking about Jamie and she was like, "That woman is so perfect and has the best body and legs." I then took out my mag and was like, "Actually...She's not perfect." I showed her the pics and her mouth just dropped and then the guys in the class came over and looked at the pics and they were like, "Ewww...That's really what she looks like?" I was about to beat their a$$es b/c they were not so good looking themselves--Morons!

.:*KIM*:.

[4Buck]

Hey,

Notice Nicks' weight gain from the PEACEKEEPER video of earlier this year, to the clip from the June SYW Chicago concert, both shown on the Charlie Rose show last night? Quite egregious, unfortunately.

[GeminiStar03]

WHAT? THAT WAS ON? I TURNED THE TV ON TO THE STATION AND TIME IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME ON AND IT WASN'T....GOD FRICKEN...BLAH! *cries* Did Lindsey say anything about Stevie--besides him being her friend? *wink wink* Now, what about her weight? She gained? Meh..I'm confused but even if she did gain, she's still beautiful...:nod:

.:*KIM*:.

[Cour]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Hey,

Notice Nicks' weight gain from the PEACEKEEPER video of earlier this year, to the clip from the June SYW Chicago concert, both shown on the Charlie Rose show last night? Quite egregious, unfortunately.

I didn't notice that, I think she's looking better than ever.

[The Tower]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
You guys make it sound like woman are the only ones who are put down for their weight. I think it is really hard for us men too. If I have to see one more guy with a six pack, huge muscular arms, and huge pecs I'm going to vomit. I think it is maybe worse for you girls, but not that much worse. I mean, maybe it is a little more taboo to discuss a man's weight and woman get picked on a lot more, but it is still very hard for us. Or at least I find myself saying, "If I could only look like...." I think that everyone suffers from thinking this kind of stuff though.

So, so true!!! It's just as tough for men these days. Although, to be fair, women have been objectified so heavily and so intensely for soooo long, that I can understand why the "<blank> is so fat" is usually related to a woman.

The media sucks big time and I'm soooooo glad I have digital TiVo!! I only watch what I wanna watch and when I do (if they're there) I zip RIGHT PAST allll those awful commercials.

I still can't belive that "Girls Gone Wild" dude is still in business, but I catch a glimpse of that stuff every now and then as TiVo is flying by.

For every "Girls Gone Wild", there's a "Bowflex" :distress: :distress:

P.S.: Both Stevie and Jamie Lee look fantastic! I love their smiles.

[GeminiStar03]

I hope that u know what that word means! Here's the def.

Definition: very bad
Synonyms: arrant, atrocious, capital, deplorable, extreme, flagrant, glaring, grievous, gross, heinous, infamous, insufferable, intolerable, monstrous, nefarious, notorious, outrageous, outright, preposterous, rank, scandalous, shocking, stark
Antonyms: little, measly, minor, petty, slight, trivial
Concept: immorality

I sure as hell hope u aren't saying that Stevie's weight is gross...I think u need your eyes checked and what kind of fan of hers would say that?!
:confused: http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksDC01tn.jpg

Yeah, she's just so gross! *rolls eyes*


.:*KIM*:.

[4Buck]

Egregious: Conspicuously bad.

Yes, her weight gain is. You keep posting pictures of her from THE DANCE. She's gained a lot since then......

Check out the Chicago concert SAY YOU WILL video on Charlie Rose.

Goldie Hawn is an older woman now, too. She's 58, and look how super she looks.......

[4Buck]

....The weight gain is shocking if you haven't seen Nicks in concert already this year........

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Egregious: Conspicuously bad.

Yes, her weight gain is. You keep posting pictures of her from THE DANCE. She's gained a lot since then......

Check out the Chicago concert SAY YOU WILL video on Charlie Rose.

Goldie Hawn is an older woman now, too. She's 58, and look how super she looks.......
Oh for goodness sake.... what does it matter how much she weighs??? I get so sick of the predjudice against people who are not considered 'the norm' and carry extra weight. So what??!! Sheesh

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
....The weight gain is shocking if you haven't seen Nicks in concert already this year........
Well I can honestly say when they take to the stage in the UK for the first time in 12 years I will not give a flying **** how much Stevie weighs. Get over it already!

Pip

[David R]

I was lucky enough to get up close at the end of the concert and see her sing "Goodbye Baby". Stevie looked GREAT, there was not one damn thing wrong with the way she looked. She looked exactly as I thought she would, beautiful. More importantly, she sounded great too.

[4Buck]

I stand by my word....Stevie Nicks is too heavy......

[Merf]

Originally posted by 4Buck
....The weight gain is shocking if you haven't seen Nicks in concert already this year........

Oh, PLEASE! Give me a break. I saw her during the first 2 weeks in the tour and I have seen pictures and seen her in video since then and she looks absolutely amazing. She's not the rail thin 29 year old she was during Rumours. She's a 55 year old woman. And she's up there busting her ass every night for US. I can't stand how some posts have become so damn mean and just brutal towards her around here. She's happy, she's beautiful, she sounds wonderful. I second Pip's sentiment- GET OVER THE WEIGHT THING.

Moving on.... DAVID your sig rocks my world! :laugh:

[Merf]

Originally posted by 4Buck
I stand by my word....Stevie Nicks is too heavy......

Oh, and what is "too heavy" by your standards? Remember she is 5'1", so even if she puts on five pounds it will look like way more. How about focusing on the music instead of how Stevie looks? Or how about doing us all a favor and just stop looking at her so we won't have to listen to such derogatory comments.

I'm done with this thread. It's obvious that there are some on the Ledge that want so badly to see this woman put down when she has given so much to us all. It's so amazingly rude to me. Would you rather her be 100 pounds again and back on coke?? Sheebus! :distress:

[joe]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Hey,

Notice Nicks' weight gain from the PEACEKEEPER video of earlier this year, to the clip from the June SYW Chicago concert, both shown on the Charlie Rose show last night? Quite egregious, unfortunately.

I was talking to a coworker yesterday who had seen the Charlie Rose interview. She's actually really likes FM and Stevie....anyway, she said that Stevie looked like she put on weight....i didn't get a chance to ask her when the last time she saw her was or put on weight since when? i kinda get tired of people saying that only because, yes, ok she's not as thin as she was 20 something years ago so are they saying she's put on weight since then or since last year? the dance? i have to always ask people to clarify....anyway, i saw the clip of "say you will" live and she looked normal to me....i really can't tell anymore....i think the way she has her hair just makes her face look a little different....it's so straight now and parted down the middle that it may make her face look a little bigger. big hair tends to make your face look thinner.

[4Buck]

Nicks was never rail thin.....never.....Especially at age 29.....

If someone would post a picture of Bill Clinton's inauguration with Nicks, you'd see she looks the same on the current SYW tour as she did then. Just as heavy.....

Again, I was surprised when I saw the change in her from the Peacekeeper video which was just months ago, and the current Say You Will Tour.....

[Merf]

Had to reply.

OK, I retract saying "rail thin." She was never Lara Flynn Boyle-ish. But she DID have a thin frame for her size.

And so WHAT if she weighs the same now as she did during the Inauguration? (which could be true but who really knows) Doesn't it matter to you at all that she's a million times happier now than she was back then, and that has helped her to make better music?? And feeling better has allowed her to do a world tour with FM this year when they were originally planning just 40 cities? Can you imagine where she would be now if she hadn't gotten off that tranquilizer? I don't even want to think about it. :distress:

I have a feeling that all those good things don't matter to some around here and she will be constantly put down no matter what anyone else says. So I will try to keep my mouth shut from now on-- not worth the frustration! :laugh:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
I stand by my word....Stevie Nicks is too heavy......
Says who? You? By what standards??? Grow up

Pip

[4Buck]

It's actually in Nicks' hips and derriere I noticed the excess weight...

....As you age, your face gets slimmer even though you may be heavy, because your head shrinks......

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Nicks was never rail thin.....never.....Especially at age 29.....

If someone would post a picture of Bill Clinton's inauguration with Nicks, you'd see she looks the same on the current SYW tour as she did then. Just as heavy.....

Again, I was surprised when I saw the change in her from the Peacekeeper video which was just months ago, and the current Say You Will Tour.....
The thing is a fail to see what it matters that she has put on weight. It just isn't important to me. She is still Stevie to me. As I said before when she takes to the stage in the UK I won't stand there thinking about her weight gain. I will just be bloody glad that she is finally in the UK and I'm getting to see her.

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
It's actually in Nicks' hips and derriere I noticed the excess weight...

....As you age, your face gets slimmer even though you may be heavy, because your head shrinks......
Oh... so you are an expert on this now then? You are just being rude and insulting now IMO. I hope this thread is locked

Pip

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by 4Buck
It's actually in Nicks' hips and derriere I noticed the excess weight...

....As you age, your face gets slimmer even though you may be heavy, because your head shrinks......

4f u c k sake GROW UP oops did I misspell your username?? :laugh:

YOU ARE SUCH A ****ING MORON!!!

STILL I THINK YOU JUST THRIVE ON ALL THIS NEGATIVE ATTENTION YOU ARE GETTING.....

LETS JUST SAY THE WORD TROLL SPRINGS TO MIND!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck

Goldie Hawn is an older woman now, too. She's 58, and look how super she looks.......
Er.... if you say so.....

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Er.... if you say so.....


Jesus H Christ she looks Baaaaaaaaaaad!! period.

[4Buck]

Oh, right, oh jealous ones....

Don't dare post a picture of Hawn's gorgeous figure.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Oh, right, oh jealous ones....

Don't dare post a picture of Hawn's gorgeous figure.
LMAFAO!!!!

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
Jesus H Christ she looks Baaaaaaaaaaad!! period.

That's because she asked the plastic surgeon to make her look like Molly Ivins. Money well spent.

- Jake

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Egregious: Conspicuously bad.

Yes, her weight gain is. You keep posting pictures of her from THE DANCE. She's gained a lot since then......



Um, no, that photo was from Washington D.C. 2003. I love that you keep confusing them, no matter what show is used!

[sulamith]

Sign post up ahead...........

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL



It only makes them stick around longer.



But you guys rock for being absolutely right in your sentiments.

Love ya!

-Sharon

[Vianna]

has gone on long enough. I have been disturbed by it from the beginning but 11 pages of sometimes not too nice discussion over a person's weight is too much even for liberal-minded me=:-)

As the moderator of this forum I am asking you politely to drop this issue.

To quote MLK, Jr. 'people should be judged by the content of their character'.

Character-wise, Stevie amazes me. I have personal experience with substance addiction as both my parents were alcoholics, and I have to admire somebody who had the determination to kick the habit.

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by Vianna
has gone on long enough. I have been disturbed by it from the beginning but 11 pages of sometimes not too nice discussion over a person's weight is too much even for liberal-minded me=:-)

As the moderator of this forum I am asking you politely to drop this issue.

To quote MLK, Jr. 'people should be judged by the content of their character'.

Character-wise, Stevie amazes me. I have personal experience with substance addiction as both my parents were alcoholics, and I have to admire somebody who had the determination to kick the habit.

Thank you Vianna....... you are so right, Stevie has more talent, character and soul in her little finger than most of us have in our whole bodies.:nod:

[diamondsnake]

This picture was taken a month ago. Does she look overweight to you? NO!!!! She looks hot and a hell of a lot better then her Clinton Performance.

[Merf]

Thanks Diamondsnake for that Visual! <3 <3 <3

How about El Paso! August 6th! Ole'! :)

[GeminiStar03]

4Buck is probably one of those big fatass guys that sit around on the couch and eat chips alllll day! That's usually the men that make those disgusting remarks!!!!!! I can't believe that someone could be so rude to such an AMAZING woman that has given me so much and she doesn't even know! Just thinking that someone would go out of their way to hurt someone so beautiful, it makes me want to cry for her! How dare you! You're not a fan, that's just a disgusting way to act towards Stevie! Now about Goldie Hawn, I like her but SHE IS FAKE! HER WHOLE BODY IS PLASTIC! Why can't people just know that most of alllll the thin women in Hollywood--are fake! Those are also the ones that usually have no talent! Ex:Britney Spears! I can't take this thread AND those pics were NOT from The Dance, you must reallllllly need your eyes checked now!!!!!http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksEPT01tn.jpg ;)

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
This picture was taken a month ago. Does she look overweight to you? NO!!!! She looks hot and a hell of a lot better then her Clinton Performance.

I don't know about you but I would go as far as saying she looks better now, than when she was on her Shangri-La tour.......
and I got to be up close and personal back in 2001 briefly....and can honestly say Stevie has THE most amazing presence, eye contact, and disposition, along with all the superficial things like hair to die for, amazing skin, nails and a nice wardrobe.

Lest we forget , figures and clothes do not make the person.....
:wavey:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
I don't know about you but I would go as far as saying she looks better now, than when she was on her Shangri-La tour.......
and I got to be up close and personal back in 2001 briefly....and can honestly say Stevie has THE most amazing presence, eye contact, and disposition, along with all the superficial things like hair to die for, amazing skin, nails and a nice wardrobe.

Lest we forget , figures and clothes do not make the person.....
:wavey:
Amen to that! I'll never forget that eye contact!

Pip

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Amen to that! I'll never forget that eye contact!

Pip

What is so special about her eye contact????? I'm dying to know since I haven't had the pleasure of meeting her....

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
What is so special about her eye contact????? I'm dying to know since I haven't had the pleasure of meeting her....

Stevie's eye contact well what can I say but it is almost as if she is looking into your soul, really penetrating. The feeling I got is nothing like I have experienced before...truly amazing.

The eyes really are the windows to a persons soul....:)

[GeminiStar03]

Awww...You got to meet her? Not fair! LOL! I haven't met anyone that inspires me. The only people that I met that were known, were Bob Dole and Elizabeth Dole...LOL...I want to meet Stevie so bad and I know it won't happen. I'm just hoping that I can one day b/c right now...Life sucks.

.:*KIM*:.

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Amen to that! I'll never forget that eye contact!

Pip

No I won't ever forget it........:):):)

It was a privilege to have met her........:nod:

[dissention]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
What is so special about her eye contact????? I'm dying to know since I haven't had the pleasure of meeting her....

The feeling of unconditional love that she radiates is what is so special. :)

[David]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
4Buck is probably one of those big fatass guys that sit around on the couch and eat chips alllll day! That's usually the men that make those disgusting remarks!!!!!! I can't believe that someone could be so rude to such an AMAZING woman that has given me so much and she doesn't even know! Just thinking that someone would go out of their way to hurt someone so beautiful, it makes me want to cry for her! How dare you! You're not a fan, that's just a disgusting way to act towards Stevie! Now about Goldie Hawn, I like her but SHE IS FAKE! HER WHOLE BODY IS PLASTIC! Would you mind shortening your sig "line" please? The excessive length makes the reader have to scroll & scroll just to read the next message. Thanks!

[GeminiStar03]

Maybe I will...Maybe I won't...LOL!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by David
Would you mind shortening your sig "line" please? The excessive length makes the reader have to scroll & scroll just to read the next message. Thanks! That's definitely something we should all try to do.

When reading long threads, it can sometimes be difficult to find the actual messages.

"Short, but sweet," is the name of the game. :)

[GeminiStar03]

Ok, is this better? Is my sig good enough for u? LOL! I think we really should drop this thread btw, i think that Stevie would feelt hurt if she read some of the comments.

.:*KIM*:.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
That's definitely something we should all try to do.

When reading long threads, it can sometimes be difficult to find the actual messages.

"Short, but sweet," is the name of the game. :)

Johny would you mind deleting this thread? I started it to get some info about why some Stevie fans turned on her when she gained a little weight. Unfortunately, it has turned in to a Stevie bashing! Please.....

[GeminiStar03]

Yes please? I would really appreciate it if this thread was deleted. I think out of respect for my fav person, this thread I find very disrespecting. Stevie doesn't deserve all of those disgusting comments b/c she is just an older(even though she looks young)woman and when u get to about her age, things can just get out of control. In my opinion, she looks great.

Kim

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Johny would you mind deleting this thread? I started it to get some info about why some Stevie fans turned on her when she gained a little weight. Unfortunately, it has turned in to a Stevie bashing! Please..... Hi Christopher... sorry, but I'm only able to delete threads on the main forum I moderate (the Stevie Forum).

You can actually delete it yourself though, since the person who creates a thread has the ability to also delete it.

Just keep in mind that you'll be deleting all the comments... good or bad... that everyone else made, and many posters feel it's bad etiquette when someone deletes their thoughts and opinions.

As the creator of the thread, you also have the option to request that the moderator (Vianna is the moderator of this forum) locks it, so that no additional comments can be added to it.
Some people aren't wild about that either, but at least no one's posts will have been deleted.

Finally, the other option is to just let the thread die out on its own... they all do eventually.

It's your call. :)

[GeminiStar03]

I do think that if the true fans of Stevie wanted to make sure that Stevie would not be hurt in any way, they would agree and not care if any of their posts on here were deleted.

Kim

[Sugar]

Johnny said it best, the thread will die out on its own if people stop posting to it.

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Ok, i think that Stevie would feelt hurt if she read some of the comments.

.:*KIM*:.

Please! Do you really think Stevie reads these boards? And her weight is a mute point....she was at one time heavier than she should have been and now she's at a healthy weight. A discussion about it has no effect what-so-ever. Let's not get so sensitive and unreasonably polite in our political correctness that we can't even share comments and thoughts, even if they are somewhat negative. Come on....I'm hoping that the majority of the people on this board are intellectually sophisicated to discern the difference between being critical of someone and "bashing" them. There is a big difference. If anyone has the right to be critical of Stevie...it would be her true fans who care about her. Stevie won't crumble into a pile of ashes over criticism of a now non-issue. Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by dissention
The feeling of unconditional love that she radiates is what is so special. :)

I like your comment.....:)

[GeminiStar03]

Oh, well i'm just so sorry that I care for people and their feelings...I guess I just have too big of a heart to know what it's like to be criticsized!

Kim

[GeminiStar03]

There was a lot of bashing on here. 4Buck did NOT say that Stevie needed to loose weight for her health and Stevie is NOT to a weight size where she would need to loose weight for her health! I think that you are so wrong on that person just saying that she was not being disrespectful to Stevie. I was on this thread to inform that person that they're wrong and they must not know anything about this band b/c the pics I posted on here were NOT from The Dance, they were from some of the latest shows that Stevie has played. I know that this thread is far from dieing out and I think that it should just be delted. If there was any respect for this woman, people would realize that this thread got out of hand by bashing such a beautiful person. How do u know that Stevie would not come on here? You don't know that. Most celebs like to check out what their fans are talking about and if they're enjoying their shows. You can't tell me that you did not know that? Another thing, you must not know what it is like to be put down and made fun of, and called gross. If anything, you were probably one of those popular jocks or cheerleaders in HS b/c those are the people that had not respect what so ever!

Kim

[Miranda]

I think some of their peeps read fan boards. Back when the tour first started I remember a thread about how lousy Lindsey dressed in the Fruit of the Looms. About a week later he started wearing the white shirt and not just his underwear. Did he get the word? :nod: :laugh:

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
If anything, you were probably one of those popular jocks or cheerleaders in HS b/c those are the people that had not respect what so ever!
Kim

Oh my god! Okay, Kim. You're right...I don't know for sure if Stevie reads these boards. It was an assumption (among many on these boards).

As such, your assumptions are way off base...I was neither a cheerleader or a popular jock! Far from it! lol But how dare you make those bigoted generalizations and infer that I have no respect for people. I take great offense to that statement! Apparently you have no respect for any other view than your own.
(I'll let that pass)

Guess what?
I've been a devout fan of Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac since 1977. I've grown up with the band and loved them through all of their different phases. Stevie's weight was never a condition of how much I respected and loved her. (Of course, I think we all just want her to be happy and healthy.)

Your over-the-top, impassioned retort (and others like it) serves perpetuate this thread. Fanning the fire so to speak.
To have what seems to be a over-protective, evangelical view of Stevie -- to the point where you want to ban the subjects you find distasteful....well that has nothing to do with weight, but it has everything to do with censorship. I am deeply offended by that prospect.

Yes, I understand the subject of weight is a sensitive one! And yes, I can now see that some people have taken the opportunity to post perceivably disrespective pot-shots. But any subject is susceptable to pot shots! What other subjects should be off limits? You may not always like what you read, but that is the price for FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

It seems very wrong to put dictates on what subjects are appropriate for discussion. I can understand deleting single
posts that are completely over-the-top. That is completely reasonable. But think about who really writes those kinds of posts--intended to anger, provoke and insult? Obviously they are not genuine, respectful fans. They do it for a reaction. And they succeed when we react. No one has to defend Stevie against these idiots. There's no sense in trying to reason with them. Ignore them.

Forgive me for this rambling discourse. Never meant it to be this lengthy. I work in the field of journalism and censorship is a sensitive subject for me. Ironically, I wish this thread would die out too. I just don't want to see a periodic, systematic deletion of threads because some Ledgies find certain subjects uncomfortable and disrespectful.

Maybe after reading this, most Ledgies will be too bored and tired to post, and the thread will die. lol

[joe]

PenguinHead....i completely agree with you.

:thumbsup:

[Cammie]

:eek: Yikkeesss! Lindsey wears his favorite
comfy T-shirts...and his hair is wild !!! :cool:
Stevie is a little heavy...me too sometimes!

Could you put on a show like The Mac?
Geezzzzz! The MUSIC is what counts!:]

[joe]

i can understand both sides of the arguments regarding this topic....however, i don't see anything wrong with discussing "Stevie's weight". It is a completely separate thing from everything else. Essentially, it's just a topic. If she weighed 110 pounds and we wanted to start a thread called "Stevie's weight" we could do as such and what would it matter? By the same token, we could start a thread called "Stevie's height", "Stevie's hair", "Stevie's brown eyes" etc etc etc.
It's blasphemous to think that this thread would be deleted or even banned in the future. To me, that IS censorship. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But the constant "what does her weight have to do with her music etc...?" it doesn't. you're absolutely right. neither does her shoes, clothes (black dress), hair, make up etc....it doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. i didn't think people were getting harsh here. ok, maybe one in particular (you know who you are).

I think that the fact that we're all here spending time and energy on this message board shows that we all love and care for FM (and its various members) beyond the casual fan. That, in itself, says quite a bit.

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
And her weight is a mute point....

I'm not trying to disparage your post - I think your comments are very intelligent. I agree that this thread should not be deleted because of its touchy subject matter, although I do see bashing going on. However, you've stumbled across a pet peeve of mine. The correct term is "moot" point.

[dissention]

Honestly, I could care less if people talked about Stevie's weight. Everyone who finds it distasteful is a hypocrite because *everyone* makes comments about other peoples body weight. I would even bet money that some of the folks who find talking about Stevie's weight is distasteful have made comments about Lara Flynn Boyle's or Calista Flockhart's body weight (or lack thereof). I'm sure everyone has made comments and just because it's about Stevie, it doesn't make it any different or wrong. I think talking about her weight and how it may have affected her career is very constructive because, after all, this board is here to DISCUSS the band and it's members in all aspects. However, when people make disgusting comments about her saying that she's fat and should be ashamed, that is out of line and has no place here because it's offensive and rude.

We have discussed her hair, her drug use, her lovers, her finally retired black funeral dress, her breasts and cup size, her house, her music, her career, EVERYTHING. But now her weight is taboo? I find that to be ridiculous and just because others look down on talking about it, it doesn't mean I will. As long as it isn't mean-spirited, I see nothing wrong with it. And the people who say mean things just show their true colors, as do the people who gladly participated in the weight discussion but then frowned upon it.

I understand that people adore Stevie and her music. I do, too. But I don't hold her up as if she's an angel and defend everyhing about her as some do; that, to me, is a ridiculous thing to do and a waste of time. Cripes, if someone says that they hate Stevie's reeboks, twelve obsessers will tear them apart and split the body parts equally. If you want to talk about Stevie's weight, DO IT.

Good god, gimme a break.

[joe]

Originally posted by dissention
Honestly, I could care less if people talked about Stevie's weight.................Good god, gimme a break.


amen!!! snap snap!!!

:laugh:

[GeminiStar03]

Listen, I only became harsh b/c when someone talks about somebody that I care about--it pisses me off. As a girl that has been picked on for her weight when I was young, that was something that was not easy to deal with. I just know that if someone really was a fan of Stevie's, what would it matter how much she weighed? I'm not saying that there can't be freedom of speech, i was just saying that i think it's rude to pick on someone in that way and u never know if Stevie would ever come on here. I know a lot of stars like to check out the boards and see what their fans are satisfied with and what not...This has just gotten too out of hand...

Kim

[dissention]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Listen, I only became harsh b/c when someone talks about somebody that I care about--it pisses me off. As a girl that has been picked on for her weight when I was young, that was something that was not easy to deal with. I just know that if someone really was a fan of Stevie's, what would it matter how much she weighed? I'm not saying that there can't be freedom of speech, i was just saying that i think it's rude to pick on someone in that way and u never know if Stevie would ever come on here. I know a lot of stars like to check out the boards and see what their fans are satisfied with and what not...This has just gotten too out of hand...

Kim

Kim--

I hope you don't think I was attacking you or singling you out; I was speaking to everyone that has read this thread. :) I agree with you that no one should have mean things said about them because of their weight. I just think that if people can talk about it in a civil way, more power to them. That's what a message board is for. :)

[GeminiStar03]

OK yeah, I can sort of agree with what trackaghost is saying but...I just saw Stevie this Sunday and she looked fine. I mean, she was not thin thin like in th 70's but I think that she is at a healthy weight for her age and I think she's just adorable. I mean, I really do think that she should keep her weight where it is now b/c it just seems to fit her at this point. The thing I *don't* get, is Y John's weight isn't brought up if weight is such an issue. I don't think that it should be brought up but i'm just saying that women are picked on continuously for this issue and it really pisses me off! What is with some of u men that think that women should be perfect? I'm getting so sick of it and it's getting out of hand.

Kim

[The Catdancer]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
No I won't ever forget it........:):):)

It was a privilege to have met her........:nod:

I agree with you, Pip, I'll never forget it either. She has such a strong personality and is such a wonderful woman. She REALLY cares.
Deb

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
I do think that if the true fans of Stevie wanted to make sure that Stevie would not be hurt in any way, they would agree and not care if any of their posts on here were deleted.

Kim

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! I am a "true" fan and you don't speak for me! There is some weird egotistical thing going on here with this thread...people are under the illusion that they can protect Stevie from being hurt. What you and others don't realize --- in your overly politically correct, simplistic, naive and myopic perspective.....

Don't assume that anything that is discussed here affects Stevie in any major way.

I would very much care if my posts were deleted "to make sure Stevie would not be hurt in anyway."

A discussion of weight doesn't always equate with insults and "bashing"

Just because someone takes an easy opportunity to post what some would consider a hurtful or mean-spirited message, doesn't make it right to delete the entire thread.

If you don't like what someone has posted...post a reply.

I sense that the issue of weight hits too close to home for some Ledgies in particular. The fact they've overreacted to the point where they justify censorship because they feel they can protect Stevie feelings....it seems like the issue has more to do with their own feelings and own issues regarding weight.

Get over your own issues on your own time, in your own place. Too bad if you are offended that this thread exists. Again I ask....what other subjects should be banned? Should we just call for a ban on anything that offends anyone? Should we reduce and moniter this board so narrowly that only positive comments of Stevie and the Band will be allowed? Positive propoganda only!

No getting around it...it's censorship. And that is more offensive to me than anything any idiot would post here. The more you keep calling for this thread to be banned, the more I and others will post objections to that ban.

This is the first time I've really been absolutely disappointed and disgusted with this board.

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Most celebs like to check out what their fans are talking about and if they're enjoying their shows. Kim

AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT????????????????????? Since when have you become the spokesperson for "most celebs"? I believe the opposite is most likely the reality. Who is right? And how can we prove it?

This has nothing do with protecting Stevie. It has everything to do with protecting Freedom of Speech. If this board bowed down to every request to ban what some deem as hurtful...well, that's called fascism! Welcome To The Ledge - a Fan Fascist Regime!

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by sodascouts
I'm not trying to disparage your post - I think your comments are very intelligent. I agree that this thread should not be deleted because of its touchy subject matter, although I do see bashing going on. However, you've stumbled across a pet peeve of mine. The correct term is "moot" point.

Nancy! Thanks for addressing my mistake! I'm a stickler for correct grammar. I'll never make that "moot" mistake again!

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
Nancy! Thanks for addressing my mistake! I'm a stickler for correct grammar. I'll never make that "moot" mistake again!

LOL - me too. I will freely admit I make mistakes. However, someone pm'd me earlier regarding my "incorrect" use of the word "severer." They said the comparative of severe is more severe. I know it sounds awkward, but the comparative of severe is severer. Go figure!!!

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
Nancy! Thanks for addressing my mistake! I'm a stickler for correct grammar. I'll never make that "moot" mistake again!

Thanks for taking that in the spirit it was intended! Now that strandinthewind mentions it, though, a PM WOULD have been more tactful - sorry!

[wondergirl9847]

4...you can say whatever you want about Miss Stevie, it's not going to change ANYONE'S mind as to how much they love her, so why are you trying to get at everyone's goad, by saying these things?

Miss Stevie looks frickin AMAZING for her age, considering what she did back in the day. I say the SAME for Lindsey, he looks AWESOME. Also, take into account how some OTHER rockers look and WOW. Yikes.

[GeminiStar03]

OK PenguinHead, so u think that a true fan goes around and puts Stevie down? I think u got something mixed up b/c did I exactly say that U were not a true fan? Geez! So u actually think it is ok for people to talk down on Stevie, huh? You think it's ok that she was hurt back in the 90's when she was put down for no apparent reason? I have no clue why I joined the Ledge b/c it's just a bunch of BS filled with mostly rude people. I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish! I now know why.

Kim

[wondergirl9847]

I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish!

That's not very nice. :distress:

When you have message boards, there are ALL sorts of people, people you WILL agree with and those you WILL NOT. You just have to deal with those folks that you don't agree with. :shrug: I love this board BECAUSE people are very open and honest...if we all agreed, dang, this place would be boooooooring.

EDIT: BTW...I hope you choose not to leave this board, because it really IS a fun place, but yeah, there ARE threads like THIS that are gonna be raw.

[GeminiStar03]

I say that b/c there is NO bashing of band members on that board and I will say what I please.

[dissention]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
I have no clue why I joined the Ledge b/c it's just a bunch of BS filled with mostly rude people. I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish! I now know why.

Then why post?

I think it says a lot about the posters on this board who don't start threads talking about how awful another board is. It's rather childish. Also, take into consideration that some of the people on other boards who bash the Ledge also post here and then say they don't as if they're embarassed.

My point is, people may not always have the most sunny and delightful things to say about the band members, but they're nice enough not to put down people on other boards. People who do that kind of **** show their true colors...and then come back and post as if they never said a thing.

How mature! ;)

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
OK PenguinHead, so u think that a true fan goes around and puts Stevie down? I think u got something mixed up b/c did I exactly say that U were not a true fan? Geez! So u actually think it is ok for people to talk down on Stevie, huh? You think it's ok that she was hurt back in the 90's when she was put down for no apparent reason? I have no clue why I joined the Ledge b/c it's just a bunch of BS filled with mostly rude people. I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish! I now know why.

Kim

I try my best to be respective of the opinions of others. I don't think I've ever been intentionally rude. But apparently, you (U)just don't get it!

Speaking as a true fan of Stevie, I don't feel the need to defend her. I do feel the need to defend the right of free speech. Be enlightened enough to know and accept that there will always be a small contingency of posters who will post things that may offend you (U). It should mean little to you (U), because (b/c) ultimately it affects no one -- not Stevie, not genuine fans--- only those choose to react to it, which is the prime motive of those posters.

It's not a matter of whether I think or you (U) think or anyone else thinks it's okay to "put down Stevie." THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!!!! The issue is letting people express themselves and leaving this board open for dissenting opinions, however uncomfortable you (U) may be with that.

If you (U) can't emotionally handle that reality, put on your politically correct police hat and find a better place where you can make the world safer for Stevie and other overly sensitive fans everywhere!

[GeminiStar03]

Ogeez, if it was freedom of speech--why can't I have my own way of saying what I think? I just thought that it would be a good idea to get rid of this thread b/c it seems to offend people more then enlighten them. What's the point of this thread in the first place? I thought this board was about the music?
Kim

[SaraRhiannon]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
to you (U), because (b/c)


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[PenguinHead]

I agree. Let's move on. I've said all I can about it. Still, it's disturbing to see how some people perceive things....to the point where silencing the voices of others seems perfectly justified.
This is the end for me.

[GeminiStar03]

Well, this whole time I was just trying to stick up for my Idol b/c I know that she already gets a bunch of crap from all the media a-holes. I'm just trying to say that fans of someone wouldn't want to put someone down like that. About the Freedom of speech, there really is not anymore of that in this Country--I know that it's leading to that and I would like to have FOS but it's slowly slipping away.
Kim

[Cour]

Originally posted by dissention


I think it says a lot about the posters on this board who don't start threads talking about how awful another board is. It's rather childish. Also, take into consideration that some of the people on other boards who bash the Ledge also post here and then say they don't as if they're embarassed.

My point is, people may not always have the most sunny and delightful things to say about the band members, but they're nice enough not to put down people on other boards. People who do that kind of **** show their true colors...and then come back and post as if they never said a thing.



I see Ledge bashing on other boards and agree, what do they suggest the solution is? The Ledge is an open board as most of the other most popular sites are. You can't keep out the people you don't like or the opinions you don't agree with. If someone is happier and finds they like another board more than the Ledge, that's fine, but I don't think it helps things to start threads there bashing this site. Running back to dis this site and bash the people who post here isn't helping things.

It's also pretty sad about some of the people ande who bash this site, call the posters names, and next thing
you know, they're either reading the board or posting on it. Do other people think that some people who frequent this site don't read the other ones, or is the thrill in knowing they do and they're going to read what they wrote and what they said about the people here.

There's room for every board and there's no reason to start saying this site is better than the other one and the people on one site are better or "real fans". Fans are fans and where you post doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else.

[sparky]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
I have no clue why I joined the Ledge b/c it's just a bunch of BS filled with mostly rude people. I can't believe how bad the Ledge is put down on Burnish! I now know why.

Kim

Huh ? Sorry if you feel that way Kim. I think this is a great place. People are smart, kind, and very open minded. Most of all, people here are an extremely thoughtful group of music lovers. Of course, there are people who stir the pot, but it keeps things from being boring.

The weight thing is really beaten to death.
But I will say something anyway.
People mostly reacted to the weight so much because it was a change. And sometimes change is indicative of a problem. Rapid weight gain can indicate depression, other emotional difficulties, and can be a side effect of prescription drugs. Not always...but it is a red flag. For Stevie it was a drug side effect, and it was a sign that there was a lot wrong in her life. People get concerned, and sometimes for good reason.
Of course our standards of beauty are screwed up. The media sells us an image of female beauty based on women who are genetic anomalies (like, one in a million women is 5'9" and 110 pounds). It's very destructive. It's best ignored, if possible. Isn't so easy for men anymore either (especially us homos). We're supposed to look like models clothed and porn stars unclothed !

Either way, we can all only be the best we can be. And Stevie is pretty damned good. Anyone dissing her hard...if you're over 35, how about posting a picture of you now, and one ten years ago. We'll see how you're holding your aging butt together !

[GeminiStar03]

I've only been reacting this way b/c I know that a lot of people that I know have been put down strongly and I see their reactions and it's sad. I just can imagine what Stevie's face would look like if her fans were putting her down like that. She's a sensitive person and it's only obvious b/c of how she reacts when fans do something messed up--like that fight that made her cry. Anyway, I said that about this board b/c this is the only board that i've found bashing going on. I'm a part of a lot of FM boards and this is the only one that has bashing. I'm sorry to the people that didn't bash Stevie b/c of course i'm not upset with you. The reason on why Stevie is a bit heavier then she was a few years ago, is b/c of her age more then likely. When women hit menopause, things I heard get pretty rough.
Kim

[Cour]

Does "reacting this way" include going to other boards to bash this board and the people who post here? It's a shame that you don't agree with every post and every poster on this site, most people don't agree with everyone and everything that's said. Like Johnny Stew told you, you can either learn to voice your opinion on topics you feel strongly about or ignore some threads that are hot topics. You also have the option of not posting here. This board is open to everyone, but it's not really nice to go back and forth between public boards bashing the people you disagree with and starting threads bashing this site. You're coloring this site and everyone on it in a very nasty way and that's not helping anything.

[GeminiStar03]

First off, i'm not the only one that has ever posted anything - about The Ledge. There are a lot of people on Burnish that don't care for this board as well. I liked it in the begining but when someone starts talking bad and--YES I KNOW THAT THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THE F*CK THEY WANT! Anyway, it was a shock to me to read that someone would call Stevie gross...It's just crap. By the way, i'm a younger person so I have a tendency to go off and blow up in others faces.
Kim

[Cour]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
First off, i'm not the only one that has ever posted anything - about The Ledge. There are a lot of people on Burnish that don't care for this board as well. I liked it in the begining but when someone starts talking bad and--YES I KNOW THAT THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THE F*CK THEY WANT! Anyway, it was a shock to me to read that someone would call Stevie gross...It's just crap. By the way, i'm a younger person so I have a tendency to go off and blow up in others faces.
Kim

Well, that was nice. I don't believe anyone said that you were the only one who bashed this board on another site. Did it ever occur to you that some people here might not agree with or like everyone on other sites? Thanks for cursing at us and since we have a lot of younger people on this site who don't act the way you're acting now, you don't get off the hook for making the " i'm a younger person so I have a tendency to go off and blow up in others faces" Sorry, we have a lot of younger people here who don't post the way you are and you're giving them a bad rap. You like generalizations, huh?

Okay, we get it, someone called Stevie gross and you don't like it. Life, it's a bitch.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
First off, i'm not the only one that has ever posted anything - about The Ledge. There are a lot of people on Burnish that don't care for this board as well. I liked it in the begining but when someone starts talking bad and--YES I KNOW THAT THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THE F*CK THEY WANT! Anyway, it was a shock to me to read that someone would call Stevie gross...It's just crap. By the way, i'm a younger person so I have a tendency to go off and blow up in others faces.
Kim
Kim... you need to chill. I hate it when people talk about Stevie's weight, I have spent most of my adult life losing and gaining weight. BUt there are tons of other threads to post on all over the ledge boards. I said my piece on this issue and then that was enough for me. This thread would die if we could all leave it alone. There will always be people who want to bash Stevie - just let them get on with it.

BTW... I also post on burnish and I am really starting to hate this 'them and us' mentality.

Pip

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
First off, i'm not the only one that has ever posted anything - about The Ledge. There are a lot of people on Burnish that don't care for this board as well. I liked it in the begining but when someone starts talking bad and--YES I KNOW THAT THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THE F*CK THEY WANT! Anyway, it was a shock to me to read that someone would call Stevie gross...It's just crap. By the way, i'm a younger person so I have a tendency to go off and blow up in others faces.
Kim

I hardly think the fact that you are a "younger person" means that you have the right to "blow up in others faces". I am only 15 and while I started this thread, I have yet to "blow up in others faces" or join in on this craziness....

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by GeminiStar03
Listen, I only became harsh b/c when someone talks about somebody that I care about--it pisses me off. As a girl that has been picked on for her weight when I was young, that was something that was not easy to deal with. I just know that if someone really was a fan of Stevie's, what would it matter how much she weighed? I'm not saying that there can't be freedom of speech, i was just saying that i think it's rude to pick on someone in that way and u never know if Stevie would ever come on here. I know a lot of stars like to check out the boards and see what their fans are satisfied with and what not...This has just gotten too out of hand...

Kim
I know this is a whole different issue but you talk about Stevie being bothered about reading something like this. Do you not think it would bother her to read some of the 'fan fiction' that is posted on the net? I'm sure Stevie could care less about any of this.

That said this needs to stop. Stevie is beautiful whatever her weight. IT really isn't an issue to me. And lets quit with bashing the ledge on other boards.


Pip

[PenguinHead]

With regard to people picking on Stevie for her weight.....I've scanned this very long thread several times. Among dozens of posts, I've seen very little "picking and bashing." Somehow just broaching the subject of weight is now equal to "picking and bashing." As I said before, obviously for some Ledgies this is such a sensitive subject, that all logic and reason have gone out the window. Save your issues for a therapy session. This place isn't a psychciatry office...but I'm beginning to think it's mental ward.

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
This place isn't a psychciatry office...but I'm beginning to think it's mental ward.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[GeminiStar03]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[PenguinHead]

Hey, here's an idea: Let's ban the word "bash" from this board!